40k-book-club

[tall phoenix]

especially once you get to the final stages of the Siege and see what the fuck starts happening through Terra

[mental cobalt]

It's so dumb of Horus to give command to Mortarion and to make his own plans with the titans

Literally nothing can be won without Perturabo

[tall phoenix]

Well almost but yeah

when the book came out people really got mad at him quitting the field when it makes total sense lol

[mental cobalt]

IT REALLY DOES

He can see everything when it comes to the battlefield

Mortis isn't a bad read so far

[tacit trail]

perturabo is him

if he wasnt a manchild he'd have been unstoppable

[mental cobalt]

He never got the love and recognition he deserved 😔

[shrewd silo]

I would love to see a massive iron warriors force come out of the rift and just start marking its own little kingdom.
Then you can have a cool trilogy with perturabo next to the rift just making impossible to seidge fortress worlds and the lion or gman attempting to break it.

Best thing would be if it had perturabo make some shit to expand the rift slowly and in the end the imperium just losses and can't deal with them.

[tacit trail]

thats kind of abaddon and vashtorrs plan i think

and perturabo is working with vashtorr

so thats possible

[unborn merlin]

I'd feel more sorry for him if he wasn't such a terrible person. Even before meeting Big E the dude was a prick (I actually enjoy that about him).

[drowsy urchin]

Perturabo is the one really well written primarch

[unborn merlin]

Until you learn that fact that he just becomes a daemon primarch later.

[mental cobalt]

Perturabo is well written. Angron is a tragedy. Both are my primarchs ☺️

[unborn merlin]

Angron is def the more sympathetic of the two.

[drowsy urchin]

I wouldn't put that as poorly written either, there's not that much info even about his ascension

[mental cobalt]

Yet*

He's under nurgle

[drowsy urchin]

dude made the iron cage, balling, sacrifices baziliion imperial fist geneseed, gains power

[mental cobalt]

But is given more free reign as long as he spread everything Nurgle wants

[drowsy urchin]

he's not under nurgle, chaos undivided

[unborn merlin]

I just find it irritating that the HH really plays into the fact that he was so against warp corruption and hated his brothers for ascending only for him to ascend later on.

Besides that I enjoy him for being a complete asshole for giggles.

[mental cobalt]

I'm pretty sure Nurgle controls whatever daemon Perturabo made a deal with

[drowsy urchin]

I dunno about that but he is not devoted to nurgle in the end

[mental cobalt]

[unborn merlin]

I'm sure we'll get the full story twenty years from now.

[mental cobalt]

And hopefully Perturabo manages to outsmart the daemons and rid his body of it

[unborn merlin]

Isn't he just a walking tank at this point?

A little hard to come back from that. I guess Big E also tried to convince Morty to come back to the Imperium so maybe there is some mcguffin that we just don't know about yet.

[mental cobalt]

Give Perturabo to Abnett

[safe plover]

abnett already has too much 😭

give stuff to my Graham McNeill and aron something something

[simple cloud]

No damn it I need moar bequin

[safe plover]

legit wont happen for minimum 5 years

[mental cobalt]

SHUT YOUR MOUTH!!!

[safe plover]

its tru

theyre planning some big reveal and itll prolly be there im sure they wanna get all their ducks in a row beforehand

[simple cloud]

It’s true

The king in yellow is

Ur mom

[simple cloud]

Every1 is so shocked by this revelation book club chat has gone quiet

[safe plover]

nah i just stopped talking about books until i finish them

[cerulean peak]

When are you finishing Legion?

[safe plover]

never

doing slave to darkness atm and tbh

im not sure if its because wolfesbane was better but idk

it seems a bit worse

not awful just not as good

[unborn merlin]

You know what's better than both of those? Legion.

[tacit trail]

You know whats better than all three of those?

Pharos

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-daring-today-spongebob-spongebob-meme-daring-today-arent-we-gif-23808696

[safe plover]

first two chapters are unbearable dribble

idc how good you guys claim the book is the start is awful

[wintry blade]

Dang, I got the dark coil anthology cause I was like “oh great, xenos content I haven’t read!” Only to realize I’ve read all of it individually before and didn’t remember

[mental cobalt]

Some of the best books I've ever read in the 40k universe don't/barely involve space marines at all (I said this before I think)

I think that's what I like about Dan Abnett the most

Like sure he writes some Astartes novels

But his inquisitor series 🤌🏻

Reading about demi gods: 🙄
Reading about demi gods from the perspective of average humans:

[wintry blade]

Almost like there’s a direct correlation to lack of POV space marines and fun

It’s so much more interesting seeing astartes from non astartes perspectives, be that human or xenos

Just read a excerpt about ogryns from a tau perspective and it was great

[mental cobalt]

It depends on where you started tbh

If someone starts in the 40k universe with the horus heresy

All they will see is space marines

and their perspectives

[wintry blade]

Yeah but Horus heresy is a can of worms im not gonna get into rn

[tall phoenix]

Pretty much anyone that’s gonna have a problem with this opinion is only space marine fans so don’t worry about it

[mellow knot]

I enjoyed having a human contingent being reminded of how inhuman Astartes actually are

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs4-snake-bait-old-snake-mgs-bait-bait-used-to-be-believable-gif-16665329923744849402

[tall phoenix]

Shit i forgot to join in hold on

[tall phoenix]

You are unbearable dribble. READ LEGION.

https://tenor.com/view/callisto-callisto-protocol-the-callisto-protocol-gif-27253380

[wise yew]

Is it premeditated clad beat down time

[tall phoenix]

Always 💪

[wise yew]

aight then time to trample him

[weak basin]

where is this gif from?

[severe trail]

Callisto protocol I think

[weak basin]

Thank u

[safe plover]

no

[tall phoenix]

Yes. Read it.

[safe plover]

no

[tall phoenix]

Yes.

[shy lark]

don't read it

[deft bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

is boondocks better than 40k

[tacit trail]

40k fans when i dont want to read john slopmmaticus

[mental cobalt]

You're just racist against perpetuals

[tall phoenix]

Deserved honestly

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-fire-absolute-cinema-gif-15085453417287561698

Almost done re-reading Sons of Selenar and man I forgot a lot about this book

[safe plover]

"Only Johnny O'donnell"

[royal egret]

You would

[loud bramble]

Finished listening to Leontus: Lord Solar. Best description I could give it is it was a very safe book. Guard vs Orks is a go to, and there isn’t anything really that separates it from other Guard books. You could probably replace Leontus with another Guard commander and it wouldn’t change all that much. I enjoyed it for what it was but probably won’t be reading it again any time soon.

That being said, I did like a couple of moments that if the book was longer, I think could’ve been expanded upon. Spoilers ahead:

||At the end of the book, Leontus returns to his chambers to add another memento to his collection, a collection of items that help him remember his fallen soldiers. What I think would’ve been neat is instead of ending on that scene, start there, and then as he’s walking to deliver the most recent addition, he stops and reminisces on a couple of different items. Each one would flash to a different campaign, where he learns the ins and outs of each regiment. This culminates in the events of the actual story where he has to navigate leading different regiments together in the field. Not only do I think this would lead to a more in depth look on how Leontus operates, it would provide explanation to how he’s so good at knowing the men and women under his command besides “He’s the Lord Solar.”

I also liked the comment made that he’s a Lord Solar operating in the age of Returned Primarchs, so while he wields the power of the entire Imperial Guard, he will always be lesser to essentially demigods. At the same time, it’s clear in the book that Leontus knows he cannot live up to that nor even the likes of Mecharius, but he’s going to try.||

[tall phoenix]

Its very mid so yeah

[royal egret]

My big disappointment was from the description tbh

I just wanted a book about Leontus doing his like

Main job

[tall phoenix]

My favorite part of this book was like

This man is a Lord Solar

[royal egret]

Instead it’s some stupid “oh no he’s behind enemy lines and there’s other regiments and ugh”

[tall phoenix]

And he does nothing regarding his actual job lmao

Also hes just on some bumhole planet fighting orks instead of just anywhere on the front of the 4th Tyrannic War

Genuinely like why

[royal egret]

This was the whole book

[tall phoenix]

^

it legit feels out of place

I guess there was some mishap in İts production in the background thats the only excuse i can think of admittedly

[loud bramble]

Headcanon is this is before the tyrannic war but yeah no idea why he’s there

[royal egret]

I don't inherently hate the idea but, we don't lack for books about guard in those scenarios.

What we do lack, is how the fucking second in line to the high lords guard commander does

Anything

[loud bramble]

Yeah that’s why I thought it was a safe book

There wasn’t much of an attempt to step outside the boots on the ground guard vs xenos/chaos storyline

I think in trying to make Leontus into a character that “oh don’t worry guys he might look like a propagandist painting he can fight” they sort of forgot that where he’s best is his mind. There are examples of this in the book, sure, but nothing extremely 4D chess that you’d expect a Lord Solar to be capable of

[royal egret]

Yeah its just a huge missed opportunity

Very lazy and safe as you say

[tall phoenix]

The fact that we havent gotten a book of that calibre since the Macharius series is also just disappointing honestly, its the exact sort of thing i was wanting for this book where he gets to stretch his brain as a warmaster but the moment i read the synopsis before the book was out kinda was a downer.

And his “dark” decision making being stuff as basic as oh no he used a regiment as bait how could he do this!

[loud bramble]

Yeah lol. You’d have gotten more dark if his principles snapped and ||he shot the Attilan for insubordination, regressing to what he was as a younger officer||

[tall phoenix]

Yeaaah like tho thats more my bias talking. I really dont like the idea of Leontus personality wise but i also get why they did this because people dont exactly usually like following an evil general character around all that much lol

He needs to be somewhat “relatable”

https://tenor.com/view/salute-cat-cute-yessir-gif-17449845613192073437

[loud bramble]

I think he just needed more time. 5 hours is short

[tall phoenix]

He was much better in the Tyrannic War rulebook even if he barely got screentime

And well barely got to do anything rip

Anyway if i have to read the words “he fired Sol’s Righteous Gaze” one more time im gonna snap

[loud bramble]

That man had the archaeotech pistol on full auto lmao

[tall phoenix]

We had to remind the audience to buy his mini because cool laser gun

😭😭😭

But yeah i hope if he ever gets a second book it’ll be more different, we’ll see i guess

[loud bramble]

There’s potential there At least. I expected far worse

[severe trail]

Good thing we got another high ranked IG officer who’s confirmed to commit horrific atrocities

Shame he’s from krieg but whatever lol

I will take my war criminals where I can get them

[tall phoenix]

Never enough

[tacit trail]

Waiter! Waiter! More war criminals please!

[royal egret]

"Hmmm...yes I'd like some more warcrimes in that sector. Thank you."

[tall phoenix]

Bombard that orphanage NOW

[runic peak]

orphanage are awful places artillery bombardment was the most human thing to do

[deft bramble]

that was genesteaker orphanage

genesteaKer - steak out of genes

[oak pollen]

is it truly a warzone if the advance isnt measured in war crimes per meter?

[mental cobalt]

Tu'Shan is watching you

[tall phoenix]

Good. Let him.

[frigid osprey]

Cookin

[severe trail]

Agatone will let me burn all the civllians I want

this is why he's the 3rd company GOAT

[mental cobalt]

[severe trail]

3rd company of the salamanders literally incinerate civilians

its their like

role

"They also have the grim duty of purging populations condemned as rebels, heretic or xenos sympathizers."

burn them all

[mental cobalt]

That's not very Salamandery...

[safe plover]

ur looking like an eldari child rn and my fists are looking a lot like a heavy flamer...

[wise yew]

Here's the thing with the community

They basically gaslight the entire fandom with misinformation

Space marines are raised to be emotionally tough and basically follow orders as super soldiers

There are good marines yes but a good majority of them would probably treat your life as a resource

or worst straight up kill you

With no remorse

If they find you getting in their way

[safe plover]

they all would kill you if you get in their way or knock you out at least

but the standard is how much of a convenience they are willing to take with you

[severe trail]

Good thing salamanders seen nothing like the memes

They’d be lame if they were

[tall phoenix]

Dont show this guy what their one Company does

[severe trail]

I already mentioned them

That’s why they said that

3rd company my GOATs

[tall phoenix]

Damn it

I forgor.........

[final adder]

Its what any space marine would do if they were assigned to so and felt it was reasonable. But I'm sure the Salamanders would take no pleasure in having to quell a simple, non chaos human rebellion through violence

Plus knowing them, odds are they'd only kill the combatants. Non combatants would most likely be left alone

With pragmatism being one of their core virtues, they'd see no reason to kill unarmed civilians as long as they didn't pose any sort of threat

[final adder]

Well I wouldn't say that lol. Sure the memes exaggerate their kindness to a comical degree but they're still exceptionally nice and compassionate towards regular humans in the actual lore

[tall phoenix]

Nah they absolutely massacre innocents too.

The supplement outright says they do it because they must but sorrowfully, its mostly a kickback against things like this where people always meme Salamanders as "kind" people when they absolutely massacre and burn populations that stand up against the Imperium lol

[severe trail]

They’re exceptionally nice by marine standards yes

But they aren’t bleeding hearted empathy filled people

Like memes state they are

[severe trail]

“We left those worlds 2 ways, compliant or ash”

[tall phoenix]

^

GW just is afraid to show them as doing what Marines should do.

[severe trail]

They’re not in rulebooks

Which is based

People should read more rulebook lore

[final adder]

I think that depends on the degree to which said populations stand against the imperium. Chaos and xenos sympathizers? Yes I could absolutely see them wiping every single one out. Simple rebellion? There's more room for discretion there on the Salamanders' part. We see Calgar use that same discretion when dealing with chaos cultists following Nurgle.

[tall phoenix]

Rebellion also get wiped.

[severe trail]

Calgar kills them

[tall phoenix]

They absolutely dont care who they stand up for

[severe trail]

He says they’re all going to be killed lol

[final adder]

But not the children

[tall phoenix]

I mean

the children too lol

like, they dont mention kids because that is dark

[final adder]

He sends the younger ones into the guard

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the "merciful" option

now they are gonna get beaten up

and probably shot

[severe trail]

That’s still death

[tall phoenix]

lol

[severe trail]

Lol

[tall phoenix]

the Imperial Guard isnt like some heroic duty

you are absolutely gonna get mangled

[final adder]

Still considerably more merciful given the other option

[tall phoenix]

I mean it isnt

[severe trail]

Idk

[tall phoenix]

at all

[severe trail]

I’d rather die

[final adder]

Never said it was

[severe trail]

Lol

I’d rather get shot in the head

[tall phoenix]

Yeah but "merciful" is like extremely stretching it

helping an absolutely awful regime fight against foes it perpetuates until you die in some ditch

[severe trail]

Also the salamanders do just

[tall phoenix]

and waste your entire life lol

[severe trail]

Kill people lol

[tall phoenix]

^

[severe trail]

They burn rebellions to ash

It’s the third companies job

[tall phoenix]

Its why you barely ever see them being assigned to plots/stories that would make them do actual evil acts their Imperium asks them to.

[severe trail]

Well

[tall phoenix]

because then they'd ruin the community perception

[severe trail]

Rulebooks

[tall phoenix]

Yeah but again

[severe trail]

Which people refuse to read

[tall phoenix]

people dont read those

jinx

lol

[severe trail]

Idk

I’m angry people act like salamanders wouldn’t

Burn like

An entire world to ash for resisting the imperium

They have done so, they will do so, and are probably doing it as we speak

Lol

Like, yes, they have empathy for loyal imperial citizens

The whole compliant or ash thing from the black books goes hard as hell

And it’s lame people ignore it

[final adder]

I'm too poor to afford all these books lol

[severe trail]

The 3rd company are based on the destroyers of the salamander legion

[severe trail]

🏴‍☠️

But the pyroclasts of the salamander legion and chapter are both just

Psychopaths with some level of empathy

[final adder]

I wanna buy the sm codex next but that probably won't be for a while

[severe trail]

Well

I wouldn’t the current one ngl

The 10e one is fine

The 8e one is better

And getting the heresy black books physically is impossible

So piracy is pretty much the only way to read them

[final adder]

I'd rather buy the one that's up to date with 10th edition

[severe trail]

Anyways salamander memes are bad

Because they ruin the fun part of the chapter

[final adder]

Again let me make it clear that I do not view them as the memes portray

[severe trail]

Which is the massive contrast and hipocracy of the chapter

[final adder]

I know they can absolutely merciless when the situation calls for it, as any space marine chapter would

[final adder]

I meant by like, imperium standards lol, not ours. And tbh unless you're some bougie ass governor living on a paradise world there's really no way for the people of the imperium to escape the horrors the galaxy throws at them. Even if you manage to avoid getting attacked by some alien race or chaos cell, your soul still gets taken to the warp after death lol

[tall phoenix]

I mean even ignoring the chaos/aliens your own form of government makes you suffer about as much if not worse, so theres no point in really comparisons or alternatives imo.

[shy lark]

I do wonder at the people looking for the good guys in the warhammers. It's like going to the landfil looking for something nice and new to me

But there's many things I don't get, like shipping

[final adder]

There's only bad guys and worse guys

[final adder]

You'll rarely see people being genuinely serious about character shipping that could never happen in the lore

Its just for laughs in most cases

[tall phoenix]

Not getting shipping is definitely the weirder take

people just like romancing characters sometimes lol

[final adder]

Yeah lol, I mean personally I think the Guilliman x Yvraine jokes can still be pretty funny if done well

[shy lark]

I mostly see shipping on the tumblrs, where folk get really weird about it. I think it doesn't help

but I also just don't really understand why'd you want to romance some fictional people, but I also don't do romances in games

[final adder]

That's just people having fun with head canons. If they're well versed enough on 40k I'm sure they're well aware of the fact that these ships could never canonically happen

[final adder]

Personal preference, role playing, etc

It just really comes down to how people enable in the hobbies they enjoy

[shy lark]

It is what it is, I'm not against it either. It's just in the nebulous relam of a bit weird to me

[final adder]

Speaking of which, I found this today and I think its great lol. Love the art style

[tall phoenix]

Poor Yvraine's only sin was being a female character 💀

[severe trail]

Nah

It’s her goofy dress

I wish she had another look for battle

The dress is cool though

[tall phoenix]

no lol

also "goofy" mfer its literally a normal ass dress

😭

[final adder]

To think, if GW hadn't dropped that holiday artwork of her and Guilliman having dinner together, all the memes about them probably wouldn't have existed at the extent that they do today lol

[safe plover]

Its also that shes eldar they have a long long history of trying to help humanity against chaos then getting mad and attacking so she must have other motivations if she hasnt attacked yet

[tall phoenix]

they'd still ship em

[tall phoenix]

I mean no

shes a forefront female character and Roboute is a big blonde guy

it aint that deep beyond that

[final adder]

Well yeah of course people would, but like I said, not to the extent that its done today

[tall phoenix]

I dont know about that tbh, people love pairing female elf characters constantly because they cant think with anything beyond whats in their pants usually

[final adder]

True lol

[tall phoenix]

Trust me, fandoms have shipped two m/f characters that barely even interact with each other in canon material sometimes

coomers will find a way lol

[paper maple]

Dont know about the "getting mad" part, you would need to be a pure dumbass to trust the Imperium to begin with but she only helped resurrect Guilliman because it helps Chaos have a bigger target that isnt just attacking craftworlds and the Imperium is perfect for that kind of thing

[tall phoenix]

Yeah pretty much, her motivations are pretty clear, people just dont read the lore (which is per usual)

[paper maple]

Also this reminds me

[paper maple]

Sons of Selenar is one of the few """Siege""" books i skipped, does it have anything good in it

[tall phoenix]

Uhhh depends, it entirely exists because McNeill couldnt take his band of OCs to the Siege so instead he has them secure the future explanation of how the Primaris get made with the Magna Mater or whatever as the key mcguffin to the whole thing

it has some interesting bits but its largely sharrowkyn and those 3 iron hand dudes and 2 salamanders fucking around post-other Shatlegion stories as their ending

[paper maple]

Yeah Ive seen some posts on it here and there but it was mostly complaining about some "anti-masculine tumblr writing" which made me go

[tall phoenix]

LOL

Thats mostly some dumbasses getting mad at a Selenar Genewitch being sexist which is like, yes why wouldnt she be?

[paper maple]

I assumed so, god I hate reddit

[tall phoenix]

You and me both

[paper maple]

But what else is there in the book?

Is it just bolterporn as per most 30k books ive read?

[tall phoenix]

Uhhh here and there, it has some good moments but its largely these guys fucking around on their ship the Sissyboy or whatever its name is then going to the moon after getting a convenient distress beacon from the gene-witch that has the Mater and coming to secure/destroy the thing

[paper maple]

Well not like they are gonna destroy it so i can assume this is a rare case where the mcguffin actually SURVIVES a plot

[tall phoenix]

Considering its a part of Primaris lore yeah lol

[final adder]

Is that referring to like, combat heavy sections of stories or something lol

Never heard that term before

[paper maple]

Never? Huh, its a very regular 40k literature term lol

[tall phoenix]

Yeah what he said

[paper maple]

But yeah its basically pages of essentially just boring combat description

largely relegated to astartes fluff

[final adder]

I only just got into 40k this past September and the only 40k novel I've read (and am still currently reading) is the Salamanders omnibus

[paper maple]

That explains a lot

[tall phoenix]

LOL

Ye though bolter porn is very dependant on the novel, you will only notice it when you pause a book you are reading and arel ike

"am I gonna get to any page that isnt just bolters firing and people being shredded apart repeatedly"

[paper maple]

👆

Its a big symptom still in some books, thankfully some good authors usually avoid it

Its largely done to pad out combat sections when the author is also not creative enough to write astartes/astartes violence or any other things Marines brawl with

sometimes it can be good but largely not so much

[paper maple]

Also alright ill just get the novel second hand I guess

[tall phoenix]

Yeah thats fair

[paper maple]

I mostly wanna read it to fill the gap in my Siege collection since i read like everything else, even Solar War and First Wall which were dreadful

[tall phoenix]

They really did not start the series well lol, it kinda sucks the only good parts are like Abnett's and like 1-2 authors.

[paper maple]

Shoutout to Thorpe, his novels sucked

🗣️

[tall phoenix]

Wasnt his only good First Wall?

[paper maple]

Yeah it was. I still hated it lol

[tall phoenix]

LMAO damn

[paper maple]

Im sorry it was just fucking boring

Like more than usual somehow

[final adder]

"The fastest way to make the media go away is by mentioning astartes on astartes crime" type shit 😭

[paper maple]

Ye no offense I like my marine/marine action scenes as much as the next guy but even I got a limit

and I own/am a black templar player

[final adder]

So far Nick Kyme hasn't been guilty of excessive bolterporn. There was a long fight scene between a small band of Salamanders and a whole shit ton of orks in the first book of the omnibus, but it was towards the end and was fun to read so it didn't drag on, plus it was broken up by separate fight scenes between another group of Salamanders and Iron Warriors and Dragon Warriors

[tall phoenix]

Entering into 40k with Kyme books is definitely an interesting path to take.

[paper maple]

I was gonna say

Well as long as you like the books I suppose

(a lot of people dont)

[final adder]

The rule of cool takes precedent lol

The salamanders are my favorite loyalist chapter so that's why I started with the omnibus when I got into 40k

[mellow knot]

Ooh, @tall phoenix - I was linked to a very fun thing about Valkia last night, I'll DM it to you as you may enjoy it too!

(If you want it - also, you probs need to add me first!)

[tall phoenix]

Oh shit discord moment

[mellow knot]

smacks Discord upside the head with a brick

Bad Discord.

[mental cobalt]

I came in with the mindset Salamanders sound fun

Then I embraced who I was

Full on World Eater and Iron Warrior

[safe plover]

still it has happened a few times

[safe plover]

only example i can think of is the farseer

[paper maple]

Kinda, it has happened maybe like 3-4 times across 30 years

people mostly meme it from Dawn of War

which itself has tons of goofy moments

[safe plover]

also

buried dagger is KINO

[paper maple]

It has Mortarion being a dumbass

so it gets my thumbs up

[tall phoenix]

LMAO

[safe plover]

🚬 he was too stinky he didnt have a chance

[paper maple]

His legion contracted diarrhea

tragic

[brittle tapir]

me popping a zit

[tall phoenix]

The zit is you, the hands are me

[safe plover]

i maintain

the emperor sold off all the ugly sons to chaos

[paper maple]

now read Legion

[safe plover]

no

[paper maple]

[safe plover]

red one eyed dude? chaos
weird pale pointy toothed guy? chaos
statue esque guy with wings? loyal

etc

[severe trail]

I mean

[brittle tapir]

bald

[severe trail]

Corax

[safe plover]

CHAOS

[severe trail]

Was weird pale and had pointy teeth

He had hair though

[safe plover]

but he was well spoken and showered

[brittle tapir]

early onset hair loss is a sign of chaos

[severe trail]

He def does not look showered

[safe plover]

okie fine

[shy lark]

Looks more showered than Curze probably

[safe plover]

he was well spoken at least

[severe trail]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/0b/Corax_HH3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140413182446

[severe trail]

Ngl not really

[safe plover]

he litearlly looks like he just left the shower

look at his hair

[brittle tapir]

it's the grease doing that

[severe trail]

That hair looks oily to me

I’m ngl

[safe plover]

looks wet

[shy lark]

Well being a hypocrite might be a standin for good looks

[brittle tapir]

that's what greasy hair looks like

[safe plover]

not shiny wet like wet wet

[brittle tapir]

who says oily you're weird wolf

[tall phoenix]

HOLY SHIT

ITS JAMES EARL JONES FROM CONAN THE BARBARIAN?

oh wait its just corax

[shy lark]

[tall phoenix]

Seriously who the fuck drew that sketch, spitting image

lmao

[shy lark]

flesh is strong, perturbo

[brittle tapir]

flesh is weak, ferrus the beheaded

[shy lark]

Bet his hands didn't work so good without his flesh brain 🤓

[severe trail]

Some remembrancer lol

I find the curze sketch the funniest

Like how the fuck

[brittle tapir]

do you think he would regularly break stuff accidentally

slaps the roof of a leman russ and caves it in

[shy lark]

When he's used to going around forging things with his hands I like to think so

[brittle tapir]

hitting nails with his palm

[grim gate]

What are some of the essential T'au books

[severe trail]

The new one elemental council

Not even joking

[tall phoenix]

^

Every other Tau book sucks

Start with Elemental Council first then just go to somewhere like the Tau subreddit to ask for some book recommendations, theres a few "readable" ones.

[wise yew]

imagine a book so good it becomes a must read for the faction

like damn

[tall phoenix]

Kelly has singlehandedly destroyed Tau literature so lol

[wise yew]

hey at least it's a good xenos book which is quite hard to find it's a win in my book

[random marlin]

Peter Fehervari has interesting takes on the T'au that you can find find in:

All those are linked via at least one character:

• Out Caste (short story)
• A Sanctuary of Wyrms (short story)
• Fire Caste (novel, please note that T'au are present in it but not the main focus, although they get pov characters)
• An Altar of Maws (short story)

There's also:

• Fire and Ice (short story)
• The Greater Evil (short story)

I don't know how "essential" they are as Fehervari has his own little part of the universe with the Dark Coil, but I found the way he approached the T'au very interesting.

[royal egret]

I’d agree his stuff is pretty great

Blades of Damocles was pretty solid too

It’s not amazing but of the offerings I probably liked it the most

[mental cobalt]

Heretic

Though I will ALSO be reading elemental council...

[frigid osprey]

Has anyone read Awakenings by George Mann (about the Inquisitor that was from a 40k comic series I've not read)

Reviews seem mixed but half tempted to pick it up

[unborn merlin]

Finally got around to Head of the Hydra. It was great

[mellow knot]

Blargh, it’s very Tuesday

Save me

[wise yew]

i feel you because Gorkamorka is piledriving me through the floor this week

[safe plover]

based

what even is the point of tau anymore?

they started out as good guys

now theyre an analogy of humanity during its age of tech era

but also they're mind controlled alines?

[drowsy urchin]

I've had a very Tuesday kind of a month, haven't had proper work besides "get to know to these two projects so you'll be ready to start creating a production testing environment for them". That was 5 weeks ago

[drowsy urchin]

They never were 'the good guys'

[safe plover]

🙄

[drowsy urchin]

that's the truth

[safe plover]

🙄

ur mum is also the truth

[drowsy urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/kick-ass-gif-15582135

[mental cobalt]

How do they treat the humans that work with them

[tall phoenix]

Largely as second class citizens for the most part, they kinda live dystopic lives but its more akin to something like modern day China with a sci-fi flair

definitely still better than the Imperium which is even more hilarious lol

[wise yew]

yeah you see they have this thing called healthcare

[tall phoenix]

Lol yeah

[safe plover]

free tau gfs

[tall phoenix]

shut up

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-around-spin-low-tier-god-banned-meme-gif-5036928470605203424

[tall phoenix]

when will he read LEGION

[unborn merlin]

Bro refuses to out of spite at this point.

[shy lark]

a wise decision

[tall phoenix]

unwise

kill him

[shy lark]

protect him

[unborn merlin]

It's honestly essential reading for the SoT. Unless he's just gonna skip through all the cabal and John stuff.

Which you know fair

[tall phoenix]

I just want him to get to Siege already

he must suffer

[tall phoenix]

I forgot if anyone here even read the entirety of Siege aside from me and maybe Doofternal

[severe trail]

Me

[unborn merlin]

I also did. Was quite a grueling experience.

[severe trail]

[unborn merlin]

Honestly hated half of it.

If some odd ten books were really essential they should've just went the novella route like Garro or Sons of the Selenar.

[tall phoenix]

Hello im Dilara (69th Pan Turkic Airdrop Ass Regiment)

are you Lemon Russ (420th Dorktidian Discordants Regiment)

seriously abnett fuck off

[tall phoenix]

My issue is like

theres SOOOO MUCH fucking filler

like even in the early books

[unborn merlin]

No I'm actually a part of the 420th Chump Who Managed to Finish The First Wall Regiment.

[wise yew]

When i'm in filler writing competition in my opponent is abnett

[tall phoenix]

LOL

[unborn merlin]

Oh sorry wait, I'm actually some random traitor regiment. Tee hee awesome plot twist

Seriously fuck off with that side plot.

[tall phoenix]

What was their name again

Abbadabi or some shit

whos hives also get nuked, wow such revenge

[unborn merlin]

Ligma Something Something

Would've worked much better as a short story that you can finish in like half an hour.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah I agree, i think what I hate is people are like "the Siege is peak read all of it"

I did for example and man, if I have to read about 30 pages of wall defenses again im gonna go berserk

[unborn merlin]

You don't get it man. It's important to tell the much needed story about how a guardsman picked his nose once.

[tall phoenix]

Or like uh

Piers going on for 60 pages about "LEGENDS LIE BOY, STORIES SPREAD AND MISCONCEPTIONS GET MADE"

Like yes, riveting lol

[unborn merlin]

Also throw in the word gestalt thirty times. We need to meet that word count quota.

[tall phoenix]

thats not even the worst word

💀

but i agree lol

[wise yew]

Isn't abnett also like

A master of using obscure words

[tall phoenix]

Yeah lol

"Oh you can just google what it means"

thanks dumbass I know

his issue is he just cannot reign it in sometimes. His Siege books are still some of my favorites.

[tall phoenix]

Also before i forget its definitely id love to sit down and talk with some people in a group convo, i think Siege has a lot of fun/peak moments but its intercut with some of the worst stuff ever for every author's entry individually

Like I legit do not care about how Slenderman I MEAN Sindermann and that other religious lady whos name I already forgot founded the Imperial Cult or why they view the Emperor as a god.

[wise yew]

He Gets carried away

Honestly i feel like his writing would shine if he knew the word holding back

[severe trail]

Voluptuous

[tall phoenix]

Skintight

[severe trail]

Thank god he stopped

It was so weird

[unborn merlin]

*wet leopard growl*

[severe trail]

Like I GET IT

[mental cobalt]

I'M TRYING >_<

[severe trail]

SHE’S HOT

[tall phoenix]

READ FASTER

400 pages

😭

[mental cobalt]

I'm on Mortis

And monster hunter came out

[tall phoenix]

best excuse as any tbh

[mental cobalt]

😌

[tall phoenix]

you got 6 books to go

[unborn merlin]

Bruh just put Mortis in the background. That book is absolute ass.

[tall phoenix]

Hes been liking it so far

[severe trail]

You know what

Fair enough

[unborn merlin]

Got me snorkin through half of it.

[tall phoenix]

funny because aside from Solar War/First Wall its like the most universally hated Siege book iirc

[unborn merlin]

Only got through it because I was a delivery driver at the time.

[mental cobalt]

Mortis is NOWHERE near as bad as people made it out to be

I'm on page 245

[tall phoenix]

halfway through

oh wait nvm its 560 pages

[mental cobalt]

What is era of ruin, and is there a paperback

[tall phoenix]

Its not out yet but uh

basically post-Siege anthology

aka collection of short stories

[mental cobalt]

Sounds neat

[tall phoenix]

Yeah basically "heres what happened after the Siege which several authors will write short stories on"

very digestable

[mental cobalt]

Last collection of stories was tales of heresy for me

[tall phoenix]

Yeaaah basically that

[unborn merlin]

It's got some of the highest highs in the whole series but also some really abysmal lows. Don't regret reading them but once was enough.

Could see myself rereading EoE or Saturnine tho.

[mental cobalt]

Then maybe I'm built different. The only other book that had me was The lost and the damned

THAT was a test

[tall phoenix]

Yeah thats also a boring one thats normal

[tall phoenix]

Also yeah same, it really could have used a better editing team as well

like the entire advertisement for Siege was its all these authors working together comparing notes and shit

yet they still sometimes walk over the others works

or entirely ignore/make some weird plotholes about characters

not that i care but its funny lol

[unborn merlin]

It does suck because I really did enjoy how some characters were interwoven into the Siege but others were simply introduced to 1. Instantly die one book later or 2. Do absolutely nothing.

[tall phoenix]

Yeeeep

People jerk those off way too much.

[unborn merlin]

||RIP Andromeda-17 you died like a complete fucking moron.||

[tall phoenix]

LMAOOOO BRO 💀

[wise yew]

Do not ask a warhammer fan on what warhammer book to read they cannot judge literature

[mental cobalt]

I like Keeler and Sinderman

[tall phoenix]

They are good

i just-

i really hate the dumb religious topics

[mental cobalt]

I shouldn't of clicked this...

[unborn merlin]

[tall phoenix]

he paid the price

But also like the whole

"Well is the Emperor a god?"

"Who can say, i believe he is!"

"Well we cant say that!"

"We should!"

"Keeler PLEASE"

EVERY scene with them

LIKE I GET IT

[unborn merlin]

This was interesting...for like the first two books...then you realize that's like the only fucking thing she does until the End and the Death.

[mental cobalt]

I remember when I first starting reading

I read and Kharne's name came up

I was like "this character seems cool"

So I googled him

[tall phoenix]

Lmaooo

you know hes important because his "a" has a roof on it

[mental cobalt]

And saw "kharne the betrayer"...

[tall phoenix]

:)

[mental cobalt]

I learned to stop reading or looking things up

[tall phoenix]

Yeah like now you know Kharne is never gonna die

and if he does he'll just resurrect lol

[mental cobalt]

Like Angron

[tall phoenix]

Yep, tho daemon primarchs are just NPCs

roar roar

get killed by loyalist primarch

minus like Horus who gets really good later on

[tall phoenix]

I think my issue is its a more personal one, because im a deist IRL and the Emperor is also an absolutely awful person to worship

its why I loved that one uhh serial killer dude in Saturnine who Keeler interviews

[mental cobalt]

Fulgrim "died" to rogal

Just healed

[mental cobalt]

Fasili bo

[tall phoenix]

Nah before him, hes a random throwaway dude

his entire chapter starts with:

"The Emperor is a piece of shit, fuck him and his Imperium. Anyway heres why I killed over 300 rich people-"

"Interesting." 🗒️ Keeler notes

THEN they go interview Fo

[mental cobalt]

I missed that part

I only remeber fo

[tall phoenix]

Nah you didnt, its just really minor

again hes just a rando

[mental cobalt]

I liked the Oly Pearson and Hari Harr stuff

[tall phoenix]

Yeah those parts are funny

[mental cobalt]

That had a good ending

[unborn merlin]

Remember where she unknowingly let a giant fucking demon into the palace and almost ruined everything? Pepperidge Farms remembers...

[tall phoenix]

GOD

fucking stupid bitch

[unborn merlin]

Almost like the Custodians were right to be skeptical.

They just completely gloss over that shit in the next book.

Yeah she can continue to goof off.

[mental cobalt]

She did get jail time

[tall phoenix]

Lmfao true

[tall phoenix]

its okay Lemon she then ||prayed with like 1000000 people who all fucking Dr Manhattan'd themselves but at least they saved The Emprah||

god I hate Keeler lol

the perfect capture of an airheaded religious idiot for me, i guess maybe thats the point but idk

[mental cobalt]

She just regulare faith follower

(I'm from the south)

[tall phoenix]

its spilling out of her

[tall phoenix]

also lmaooo

[mental cobalt]

I like that Amon gets this much book time

They kept him from Tales

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/ladno-gif-20837499

[tall phoenix]

Amon gets to do A LOT later, you just wait

[mental cobalt]

He even agrees that Keeler needs to spread her faith by letting them leave

He's like "you must do it, but I can't permit it"

[tall phoenix]

Yeah thats mostly as a callback to modern 40k where some Custodians just accepted Faith Powers have their uses from the masses and must let it happen even if they dont like it

you cant really stop people from worshipping stuff

[mental cobalt]

[wise yew]

People will worship a block of cheese under the right circumstances

[tall phoenix]

Not wrong

[cerulean peak]

Probably better than most stuff people are worshipping

||the italians won again||

[safe plover]

buried dagger is KINO

the time of suffering is over

[tall phoenix]

You always say this then hate the next book you read

[safe plover]

🚬 i have faith the siege will be great

[royal egret]

I predict he’ll hate Saturnine for no fucking reason

And love Mortis

[mental cobalt]

He just like me fr

But I love Saturnine

Lot of good deaths

[bright slate]

never thought id see someone who looked forward to deaths

besides a few characters

[tall phoenix]

HH and Siege especially has a lot of good fodder character death.s

The cast is extremely bloated in terms of Chaos and Imperial characters

[mental cobalt]

Watching the mournival die was 😌

[tall phoenix]

Also dont forget the cement

https://tenor.com/view/mixer-cry-cry-about-it-cement-gif-24668705

[mental cobalt]

THAT MUST HAVE SUCKED

[tall phoenix]

one of the most horrifying things ive read in a warhammer book

i forgot lots of parts from Saturnine but that was just oof

[royal egret]

Eh

[tall phoenix]

Yeah wasnt asking you nerd

[mental cobalt]

Trapped forever beneath the palace

[tall phoenix]

shut up

[royal egret]

They can just shoot them selves

[tall phoenix]

Well

[royal egret]

Not that bad

[tall phoenix]

if you are a coward

starving to death is more manly

[royal egret]

Or go into the uh

Sussy memebrain

[tall phoenix]

Susan's Membrane

😔

[royal egret]

Suspended Memes

[tall phoenix]

[safe plover]

🚬 u need to wait for that

[royal egret]

The early books are a little rough I’ll say

[safe plover]

https://tenor.com/view/fry-about-it-fry-cry-about-it-cry-crying-gif-23004146

[royal egret]

But midway it gets a lot better

[mental cobalt]

After thinking about it, nothing hits better than a good death of a main/side/liked character

When Tobias Maxwell died in Eisenhorn

I cried

For some random rogue trader

[safe plover]

🤔 any standouts?

[bright slate]

||Aximands death|| will be in my best of dreams

[safe plover]

like anything really bad?

[royal egret]

I really didn’t like Mortis or Lost and the Damned

Saturine, and after Mortis are basically all great

[bright slate]

i have an opinion that im unsure others would agree or disagree on, Eisenhorn fell out after fichigs death

[royal egret]

Solar War and First Wall aren’t as good

But they’re not bad

Midway point is where it gets much higher quality though

[bright slate]

the siege starts getting good… when everything becomes very sad

when the defenders start losing hope is when it gets good

the walls start falling like dominoes

[mental cobalt]

The books were still good, he was probably hurt cause Fischig was there for a while

[bright slate]

also theres something j was confused about

with the fourth book, Magos, i read the eisenhorn omnibus and it onky had 1 magos in the stiry

but online i saw that there were multiple stories about different kinds of magos’

[safe plover]

its all part of his plan

chaos didnt lie to horus ascending to girlodhood was the only way the emperor thought of to fight chaos

[bright slate]

dude horus’ story is actually immaculate

well

i want to mainly shine light on the beginning

during the Davin incident

both Magnus and Erebus coming to Horus in his dreams, disguising their true faces

[safe plover]

🚬 poor magnus

[bright slate]

personally, Magnus was in the right to warn his brother of Erebus’ treachery, but why he would ever decide to hide his identity from Horus is beyond my understanding

thats why Horus “denied” both of their proposals

[tall phoenix]

because plot

the Heresy has to happen somehow

[safe plover]

i still dont fucking get why the emperor allowed magnus and his sons to leave terra

[tall phoenix]

thers a lot of well explained and badly explained asspulls in the HH

[safe plover]

"these people fucking explode if theyre too far away from me"
"NOW GO BACK TO PROSPERO"

"i really need this dude to sit on my chair or some shit"
"NOW GO BACK TO PROSPERO"

[bright slate]

well.. he did come back to Terra.. sort of

[tall phoenix]

He was busy on reddit shut up

I mean the webway

whoops

[bright slate]

at the cost of many

[safe plover]

same thing

[tall phoenix]

LOL

[safe plover]

erm the webway didnt want you to get access because uhh umm

[bright slate]

vulkans story in Echoes of Eternity where he fights “Magnus” is great

ive yet to really read anything in Vulkans pov

[tall phoenix]

||I love how he dies like 20 times||

its very uh

minecraft pvp

[safe plover]

VULKAN STORY????

IM THERE

[bright slate]

vulkan just sort of said.. no

[tall phoenix]

he has infinite respawning

he'll manage

WATCH OUT VULKAN ITS MAGNUS THE RED

https://media.tenor.com/VMtHfJugalsAAAAM/minecraft-minecraft-pvp.gif

[safe plover]

speaking of webway i listened to a podcast on the harlequins

shits cool

[bright slate]

they say as they watch ||Vulkan get atomised, and instantly reknit his bones, sinew, and skin back over and over again||

[tall phoenix]

Harleys are very neat

[safe plover]

im doing eldar shit after the HH

[tall phoenix]

space clowns in spaaaaace

[tall phoenix]

good news

you'll only get to read like 4-5 good books

everything else is trash

[safe plover]

😭

[tall phoenix]

so should be a relatively short journey

Lemme know when you want some recommendations

[safe plover]

anything about harlys doing random shit with zero explanation?

[tall phoenix]

Uhhh okay so

[bright slate]

i used to be a huge loyalist fanatic… before i read Night Lords and Word Bearers

[tall phoenix]

based, my man

[safe plover]

seriously tho the blacklibraries and laughing god subplots seem fire

[tall phoenix]

Harlequin characters do appear in these as like side characters but they are very entertaining ones, they got some shorts/audio drama dedicated to them but no stand-alone book, i think you'll still enjoy it.

[bright slate]

what was the reason behind the eldar plot in Forges of Mars?

[tall phoenix]

Basically the most classic 40k trope

stop evil mcguffin from operating

[safe plover]

random guess

[safe plover]

shit i was gonna say that

[tall phoenix]

LOL

But yeah they team up with the Imperials and stop the Breath of the Gods

[bright slate]

oh right

[safe plover]

evil box DO NOT OPEN
admech: MUST OPEN

[tall phoenix]

^

[safe plover]

seriously those fuckers have the books of magnus and lorgar

the original books

[tall phoenix]

"trust me guys i can totally control this giga-weapon of mass destruction im also very clinically sane"

[bright slate]

hey my favorite characters was still the black templars reclusiarch ||pre sigismund-treatment|| and that evil magos

[safe plover]

why cant they put the evil doohicky in the blacklibrary instead of leaving it on imperium worlds?

[tall phoenix]

They dont have those books

they are worthless

[bright slate]

the ending plot twist with him was wild

[tall phoenix]

yeah tho i wasnt to osurprised by it

"oh no the sussy techpriest is sussy"

[bright slate]

the ribot

[safe plover]

oh yeah muh tome of light

[bright slate]

i dont think he ever pretended too hard to be anything but

what with his little brain jars

[tall phoenix]

Nah, its just that those books dont relaly shed a light on anything related to chaos or its mysteries along with any arcane lore in the universe, those subjects/tomes are what the Black Library keeps.

[bright slate]

ill never forget those evil chrome colored lenses tho

[tall phoenix]

the book of Loregator and Magnusus is just them simping/teaching people how cool chaos is

[tall phoenix]

Forges of Mars has so many good bits

[bright slate]

the humor is nice

[tall phoenix]

the series is extremely dated by our spectrum but its still really compliant

[safe plover]

oh my fucking god everytime i try to google blacklibary

[bright slate]

and the lead Magos had drip

[safe plover]

i get THE BLACK LIBRARY

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[tall phoenix]

LOL

[bright slate]

he was never afraid to show off

[tall phoenix]

write "lexicanum" at the end of it

[tall phoenix]

its required of his station

[bright slate]

and he basically had like a soul battle

with

the robot

the ending got a little hectic

[tall phoenix]

yeah its 3 books worth of material

but thankfully the premise is simple "we must defeat the evil mcguffin with the power of friendship"

[bright slate]

and, the fact any guardsmen survived when the Black templars didnt.. is shockingly guardsmen-like

that last stand is beautiful

[safe plover]

while another copy is said to reside in the Black Library of Chaos.[2]

🚬 steve sands vindicated

[bright slate]

and another resides in Trazyn The Infinites planet library thing!

[tall phoenix]

damn it my trolling act got ousted

[bright slate]

muehehehe

[safe plover]

i only get my lore from podcasts of 50 year old warhammer coaches you read books like a nerd

[tall phoenix]

yeah because im based

[bright slate]

we need to see a guardsmen story where the Ogryn is the bad guy all along

[tall phoenix]

I wish

underrated for real

[bright slate]

whats wrong with being a little informed

[tall phoenix]

me @ Clad

[bright slate]

best ogryn character ive seen is the one from Thraka…

didnt end well

[safe plover]

** IGNORANCE IS VIRTUE **

[tall phoenix]

if you think she is the best ogryn character

then oh boy

i must recommend you Warhammer Crime

[bright slate]

keep telling the geriatric podcaster that

[bright slate]

i need another Agusto novel

[safe plover]

I will thank u

[tall phoenix]

Read the Vorbis Conspiracy i assume?

[bright slate]

Zidarov’s story is prob one of the best standalones id recommend to someone new to 40k.. it acts like a normal scifi crime novel.. but with 40k words

[bright slate]

uhh

what

[tall phoenix]

Okay so question

what Warhammer Crime books did you read

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Warhammer_Crime

[bright slate]

i cant remember the name

[tall phoenix]

take a look

[bright slate]

bloodlines

yes-yes

nice book

quite small though

and ive read so many anthologies that ive probabky seen one or two of those a few years back

beats me

[tall phoenix]

okay so

he appears again in the Vorbis Conspiracy which is an extremely good Crime anthology book

i THINK his one is like at the right end of the book as its ending story, the entire plot takes place around a voidship crash

and its effect across multiple stories, its very good

[bright slate]

i will put that on my neverending backlog

[tall phoenix]

[bright slate]

its currently filled to the brim with heresy books

[tall phoenix]

😭

[mental cobalt]

Read something about a harlequinn

This Draco book

I havne't read the sequel yet

[tall phoenix]

oh my god

the Draco books???

bro those are like from the 90's

[mental cobalt]

SOMEONE RECOMMENDED IT

[tall phoenix]

Lmaoooo yeah its good to know where the first 40k books started

they were like one of the FEW warhammer books to outright get deleted from the lore

[mental cobalt]

It was little over the top with the mind r*pe

[tall phoenix]

It gets even wackier believe me

[mental cobalt]

I do

They called exterminatus on a planet to stop a creature

It knew and just disappeared into the warp

The planet still got exterminatused

[tall phoenix]

based chaos

[mental cobalt]

Vault of Terra series good?

[tall phoenix]

Book 3 flops most of the way but the first 2 books are really good

Id suggest reading all 3 still however personally

[simple cloud]

Yes

[mental cobalt]

Will do

[frigid osprey]

How do so many people end up reading the Ian Watson Warhammer books

it it from a YouTuber or something

[reef nacelle]

I've never heard of him. Am I uncultured?

[frigid osprey]

No not at all

It's just old as fuck stuff, never acknowledged by GW, not even particularly popular

[tall phoenix]

TLDR: Ian Watson is a weird fetish author that has the honor of writing the first proper pair of 40k books, they are very interesting as much as they are bizarre.

[reef nacelle]

[tall phoenix]

Id also say they are popular to some extent, people just cant/dont want to read them since they are ancient, GW acknowledges they exist but they carry the honor of being one of the very few warhammer novels that have outright been labelled as "non-canon"

[frigid osprey]

But I'm always seeing ppl being like "yeah I started reading this, not read many 40k books before, this is a bit weird isn't it??"

[tall phoenix]

mostly because they werent what 40k was about at the time

[tall phoenix]

As for "how" it simply just gets mentioned and people get curious.

[frigid osprey]

I did watch an interview with Ian Watson by Jordan sorcery and I enjoyed it a lot, he's a character

[tall phoenix]

Yeah hes very wacky but like not a bad person, just a weirdo lol

[frigid osprey]

Yeah for sure

[tall phoenix]

like he just wrote these books and then just went off back to doing his own shit, guy doesnt give a fuck

[unborn merlin]

Absolute baller

[mental cobalt]

So the Emperor having multiple personalities to help manage everything he does isn't canon?

[brittle tapir]

very few things about the emperor's personality are canon

yes there is irony in the fact that the most important character in 40k has so little clear information about him

[shy lark]

in Dark Imperium he speaks with a lot of voices before pulling himself together at least

[woven chasm]

Wrath and Glory humble bumble https://www.humblebundle.com/books/warhammer-40000-roleplay-wrath-glory-cubicle-7-books

[safe plover]

malcador has been ||cloning the soul of an eldari guy into a human so he would have someone to swap 21st centry brainrot with since the emperor is busy||

[unborn merlin]

He was lonely okay?

[tall phoenix]

It was just never mentioned for awhile

they re-used it for when Guilliman meets with him again in Gathering Storm and there hes literally shattered personality wise so they re-used the idea

[runic root]

That describes 80 percent of this community. I am willing to bet that within the servers users alone, i'll find at least 1 person per mental affliction/medical prescription that there is (myself included).... 😬💀

[runic root]

Isnt his most human and compassionate shard still lost in the warp and Konstantin valdor is searching for it for some weird convoluted plotline GW has already forgot about in true alpha legion fashion?

[tall phoenix]

It reminds me of that one meme where Guard players are either trans people, nazis or just normal folks which is so true it hurts me

[tall phoenix]

We dont really know what the shard/where it is, Abnett just wrote it as it being flinged out into the unknown so it'll prob never get mentioned again.

Valdor's plot atm is unknown to us, just the resources hes using is kinda the most "clear" part, we gotta wait until Bequin 3 for it.

so its not forgotten, Abnett is just busy

[runic root]

Lol. I can imagine. Isnt there this one pretty infamous right wing jackass youtuber who is a hardcore guard player? Commissar something something, i forgot the name lol

[tall phoenix]

Gamza LOL

Yeah he fell off hard, now all he does is clickbait "GW IS GONNA FAIL" vids, its very pathetic

[runic root]

Convoluted and intransparent as always. Gotta love it.

[tall phoenix]

Yeha pretty much

[runic root]

Ah yes. That one.

[runic root]

He went off the deep end for sure

[tall phoenix]

remember Abnett has like the highest lore authority on 40k stuff, guy can just do what he wants. But considering nothing groundbreaking on that side of the plot has happened in 40k its very safe to assume the events that happen in the 3rd final book will prob go nowhere

[mental cobalt]

I hate when the occasional "There can't be female space marines" video pops up on my algorithm 🙄

[tall phoenix]

Yeaaah just press "ignore" on those

theres a lot lol

[mental cobalt]

Ignore and don't recommend

After I leave a comment explaining how dumb they are

[tall phoenix]

my man

[runic root]

Id like to be a fly on the wall when abnett and all the other writers of 40k have their mandatory yearly meetup with GW/BL middle management trying to unfuck all the intangled plotlines, plotholes and inconsistencies lmao

[tall phoenix]

Yeah we *do *know they got like an actual "mother-book" for 40k lore which they go over when writing big important stuff so theres that at least

the issue is Abnett also just does whatever he wants

[runic root]

That entire debate has become so toxic that even i, who'd like to see space marines remain a male only faction stay away from it. It has moved past rational arguments and devolved into political browbeating and incoherent screeching and i already experience enough of that in real life politics, i dont need that Shit in my hobbysphere

[runic root]

Rule Britania, Britania rule the waves 🌊

[mental cobalt]

Once I saw them devolve from "Custodes can't be female" to "Well the female custodes looks masculine" I knew I was dealing with children

[tall phoenix]

this fandom is never worth it with that stuff

they see a black person on a book cover and go crazy

[mental cobalt]

God what a day that must have been for Salamanders

[tall phoenix]

Mood.

[runic root]

Honestly, keeping my bills paid and my body alive are way more important than these silly discussions. In the end, its just a hobby. If one wants to make a political point, go join a political party.

[tall phoenix]

When SM2 was coming out people were also going "why is one of Titus' battle brothers asian"

like, my guy

😭

[mental cobalt]

It can be hard to avoid politics when it comes to this genre tbf

[tall phoenix]

^

its very much rampant

i just wanna enjoy new events but people complain about "women" or "this person isnt white"

its very tiring

[mental cobalt]

Amen

[runic root]

I just do what you advised earlier: "do not recommend channel". Same reason i know longer watch "geeks and gamers". Too political, too much vitriol, too much negative energy. .

[mental cobalt]

The ONLY thing that worries me, is what kind of 40k fan Cavill might be

[wise yew]

how can you tell someone is a warhammer fan from the crowd

Draw me a black sister of battle and show it at the crowd look for any violent reactions

[runic root]

Yeah, they bitch about that instead about complaining about legitimate things like the fucking lore inconsistencies, plot holes in novels or legitimate bad writing.... 🤦🏻

[tall phoenix]

Woke 😭

[tall phoenix]

I very much like Cavill but this actual cult the fanbase has around him actually unsettles and annoy sme lol

[runic root]

Never mind that the ultramarines recruit from the entire 500 worlds, meaning they are gonna be a super diverse faction. Politics aside, there isnt even a legitimate in Lore reason to complain.

[severe trail]

It’s creepy

I hate hero worship

[tall phoenix]

^

[severe trail]

People have such odd expectations of a literal normal person

Like yeah he’s famous and hot but like

[mental cobalt]

I thankfully haven't seen them, but I hear the uproar plenty

[severe trail]

People are weird

[wise yew]

Like why do you think every single type of person in the universe looks like a white guy from connecticut

Like we have multiple groups of people here on earth and this is just a single planet what the hell do you think is gonna happen in a universe spanning empire

[runic root]

The best thing the can do is just act his movies and be silent otherwise. To say it with the words of Ricky gervais, No one Cares about your politics. Left or right. Fluff off and let me enjoy my hobby

[tall phoenix]

Lmao yeah i hate this shit of like

"CAVILL WONT ALLOW THIS"