40k-book-club

[royal egret]

There was a legend of a guardsman taking a bullet for the Emperor in like, the Rogue Trader era I think

And that was when the final fight on Terra was in some bunker

Once it was in the Vengeful Spirit, it was always a marine or Custodes

Abnett amusingly just made it all three now lol.

[safe plover]

🚬

HES REAL IN MY MIND

[royal egret]

He’s not and he wasn’t, and the community is actually mentally deficient for how much they whined about made up lore from 1d4chan

[safe plover]

WRONG

i am gonna tell SO many tourists about him

[royal egret]

And now they act like “oh hurrdurr finally it’s the way it was before” when it was never a thing

[royal egret]

Yes he’s real now. Before he was only ever a legend.

Which dates back to rogue trader era

[safe plover]

he was always real

[drowsy urchin]

🔭
||(teles)||cope

[tall phoenix]

One thing im not gonna get over is how Abnett didnt even clear if hes dead or not.

I was expecting to get erased from existence

[royal egret]

Anyways Ollanius Persson isn’t the source of the legend

[tall phoenix]

No

Anyway

I find it weird how he just gets claw-swiped and dies

then is just never mentioned again lol

but we get the dumbass epilogue with grammaticus because of course

[royal egret]

Olly Piers is

[tall phoenix]

Yeah but fuck him

who cares

[royal egret]

He’s way cooler

[tall phoenix]

Hes definitely the whitest guy of all time

[royal egret]

Ollanius is some dorky perpetual who wants to die who cares

[tall phoenix]

Hes the analog to me the reader

[royal egret]

He’s lived like 40,000 whatever years

[safe plover]

yeah see making him a perpetual just makes the sacrifice meaningless

[tall phoenix]

I mean no

[royal egret]

Olly Piers is just some guy with a cool gun standing down Angron

[tall phoenix]

he still died

he was literally

some dude

thats his appeal

and still is

[safe plover]

but death is meaningless if its not final

[tall phoenix]

Yeah that i agree with

the book literally does not say if hes fully dead-dead

[royal egret]

I doubt he’s coming back

[tall phoenix]

Never say never

lmfao

its 30k, we got more dredge to shovel up when the Scouring starts

[royal egret]

Anything can happen but I doubt it personally

[tall phoenix]

I dont tbh

30k still needs to go

and we need human sideplots

[safe plover]

idk id die if an 8 foot tall man slapped me with a metal glove as big as i am

[tall phoenix]

its like a godzilla movie

[royal egret]

You’re always pessimistic

Doesn’t count

[safe plover]

no no shes right

[tall phoenix]

How is wanting confirmation if hes dead or not pessimistic

[royal egret]

He’s more than 8ft

[safe plover]

no one is dead in warhammer unless they show the death

[tall phoenix]

I think 30k is trash but i still enjoy the stories written in it, thats not really the point im making lmao

[royal egret]

You couldn’t even get past chapter 2 in legion your opinion matters less

[cerulean peak]

We need more xenos books

[tall phoenix]

Not happening.

more marine sloppa

[safe plover]

excuse me for having TASTE

[cerulean peak]

Y-yes....

[tall phoenix]

Except if its the Iron Cage

THAT I wanna read

mostly so i can be knowledgable and dunk on Fists or Iron fans

(both are terrible)

[royal egret]

People should probably buy them then.

That’s been the primary reason for authors not wanting to write them.

[tall phoenix]

I mean they do

the problem is uh

the slop products get pushed more

[royal egret]

They don’t, not until recently

[tall phoenix]

so you know, people buy em even more

[tall phoenix]

They do

[cerulean peak]

Based

[royal egret]

Path of the Drukhari sold poorly for example

[tall phoenix]

Im really not in the mood to argue this bullshit with you either

hop off back to lorechat

[royal egret]

This is from the authors themselves lol

[tall phoenix]

Yeah a book from like uh

what 10 years ago now?

[royal egret]

Yes until recently they did terribly

People didn’t buy them, even the good ones

[tall phoenix]

Its almost like xenos dont get advertised well enough since other products get pushed in players' face more

actually i say xenos

[royal egret]

Or you know the fanbase isn’t interested or wasn’t

[tall phoenix]

its like any non-space marine faction mostly lol

[tall phoenix]

Its almost like xenos dont get advertised well enough since other products get pushed in players' face more

again

[royal egret]

Guard books did well, Eisenhorn did great

[tall phoenix]

"Guard books"

so like

uhhh

Gaunt's Ghosts

and one Inquisitor series

[royal egret]

Cain, Cadia series, Last Chancers

[tall phoenix]

Ah yeah

[royal egret]

15 hours

[tall phoenix]

series that are very recent

[royal egret]

Dead Men Walking

Those are all just as old as the Drukhari series

[tall phoenix]

These are literally all from the mid 2000's minus the Cadian stuff lol

[royal egret]

And Valedor

[tall phoenix]

Okay. Point still stands.

[royal egret]

And Tau stuff.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the phil kelly stuff everyone loves iirc

[royal egret]

It doesn’t, authors followed the money, attempts to branch out largely left them missing out monetarily.

Infinite and the Divine and Brutal Kunnin were fairly large shifts

[tall phoenix]

You mean to tell me

authors need to get paid and thus write good books?

damn

[royal egret]

They took a chance

[cerulean peak]

Am I wrong to dump Dark Angels fans on the same level as Black Templar fans

[royal egret]

And it worked out

[tall phoenix]

Also yeah large shifts because they were written well

[tall phoenix]

Uhhh id say no

Black Templar fans are legit awful people

Dark Angels are mid/ok

[royal egret]

There was plenty of great xenos books prior that still failed

[tall phoenix]

Yeah because again they are not written well or get advertised enough.

Not really sure why you are being a broken record

[royal egret]

What advertising?

[tall phoenix]

Literally the type of shit they do now with book releases lol

[royal egret]

There was no advertising for this stuff largely back in the day

[tall phoenix]

Yeah thats my point

[royal egret]

Outside of White Dwarf

[tall phoenix]

Yes.

[royal egret]

Imperium or not

And these books were in WD

[tall phoenix]

I very much remember the Imperium advertisement for novel releases still taking frontal stuff because yeah posterboys.

Especially on White Dwarf magazines

[royal egret]

You realize how few people bought white dwarf compared to book sales

And they still advertised these books in them

[tall phoenix]

I kinda do because I was also kinda there lol

[wise yew]

Oh man you guys didn't tell me we are going to have another one of dilara and eternal reward arguments i should have gotten my popcorn ready

[tall phoenix]

Guy literally will die on any hill then go "you are wrong" so beats me.

[royal egret]

I’m the only one who has the actual primary source of BL authors saying the issue was people didn’t buy these.

You’re just saying vibes

[tall phoenix]

Im not, you always say this dumb shit regarding "i got sources because i remember" lol

I can about as much say the same and people would probably believe it.

[royal egret]

This has been the line from BL authors for a long time, ADB talked a ton about it

[tall phoenix]

Yeah I am aware, ive seen the media posts.

[royal egret]

It’s ok if the fanbase just wasn’t interested for a long while

Ok then what the fuck is the argument?

[tall phoenix]

You tell me

You are the one yapping and going "nuh uh" for the last 30m

[royal egret]

You’re the one disagreeing

[tall phoenix]

I mean yeah because you are going in circles

"Oh people dont buy them bcause they arent popular"

Yes, we are aware

[royal egret]

And you disagreed

[tall phoenix]

No???

What the fuck

I literally was saying yeah no shit they arent popular because Imperium stuff gets advertised more in comparison and thats normal because they are posterboys

[royal egret]

That’s not what I said

[tall phoenix]

Okay so basically what I just said above lol

[tall phoenix]

...

thats what im fucking saying

oh my god

im getting an actual headache

[royal egret]

Then stop saying you’re agreeing with me jfc, I’m saying people don’t buy them because they’re not popular, as authors have said. They never said “oh we don’t get enough advertising.”

The fanbase not having interest was the issue.

There’s no advertising for this shit anyways

[tall phoenix]

Im not agreeing with you, the fuck are you going on about

[royal egret]

People just went into book stores and bought this

[tall phoenix]

Jesus man can you genuinely stop with this shit

Every time i argue with you for like 30m when I wanna do anything else then we arrive on the same dumbass conclusion. Cool okay, genuinely knock it off lmao

[royal egret]

It’s not the same conclusion, you’re the one who disagree with me. If you can’t support it or don’t want to then don’t.

[tall phoenix]

Its the same conclusion.

We argue

You go nuh uh

Nobody wants to participate

You declare "I won because i got sources"

Chat moves on

[paper maple]

Can confirm

[wise yew]

Like this also happened like yesterday i'm pretty sure

[safe plover]

Can confirm

[tall phoenix]

Case in point lol

[royal egret]

I dont care if the peanut gallery who add nothing besides snide remarks don’t agreed if there’s no basis

[tall phoenix]

Peanut Gallery?

[wise yew]

There's the bingo fellas he says he doesn't care

[tall phoenix]

Okay pot calling the kettle black

[tall phoenix]

Also coming from the dude who has to get into a semantic argument over literally the most nonsensical subjects for some reason.

Be the more mature one and just agree to disagree at this rate, this routine is genuinely boring

[royal egret]

It’s not semantics if I’m the only one using an actual source besides vibes or theories, from authors who have talked about it

[tall phoenix]

From "sources" that are apparently a decade old and we gotta depend on word of mouth or just the twisting of what other parties are saying because you just cannot quit an argument that isnt worth anyones time.

[royal egret]

Yes that’s what I was talking about, xenos books not selling and being made. It’s shifted recently.

Meanwhile you jsut saying “nu uh”

[wise yew]

Eternal you went into a semantic argument with me and Dilara one time when i said that orks are the happiest race in warhammer because of how they work

[paper maple]

That was a funny one tho to be fair

[royal egret]

You’re the one arguing this too, I didn’t even arguing I just said they don’t get bought.

[royal egret]

Yes and that is a semantic argument

This isn’t

[tall phoenix]

It very much is lol

Pretty much every one with you is to be fair

[royal egret]

You guys need to learn what semantics are I swear

[safe plover]

LMAO

[royal egret]

Now I’m gonna semantically argue

Because we’re arguing over what fucking semantics are

[wise yew]

You're going to start?

[tall phoenix]

Also again no? I just said they dont sell well because yeah they are not on everyone's mind/forefront because its just how Black Library's business acumen goes. Its not that complex either

[tall phoenix]

No we aren't.

[royal egret]

They said people don’t buy them

[tall phoenix]

Either quit it or im timing you out lol

[tall phoenix]

Cool, don't care.

move on already jesus

i just wanna read Wraithbone Phoenix and you are wasting my time with this nonsense

my tea has literally gone cold lmao

[royal egret]

You’re the one who started it, stop acting like I’m the one who initiates these

[tall phoenix]

I was just making a comment, you are the one bouncing on shit like that constantly.

[wise yew]

Jesus christ how are dwarf long beards more reasonable than you

[paper maple]

You literally pounced on it

my guy literlaly can never accept being the instigator

also

before I forget the original reason I came here

[paper maple]

Is that from Warhammer Crime

I wanna start reading on it but the structure of the series' kinda confuse me

[tall phoenix]

Yeah it is.

[royal egret]

You never add anything besides snide little jabs, why start now?

[tall phoenix]

Also confusing how though, its basically its own thing

unless you mean something else?

[paper maple]

No like uhhh

Okay so it all take splace on 1 planet right?

[tall phoenix]

Yeah Alecto, basically uhhh

Its mostly anthologies with like a few actual novels

Its very good because again its all on 1 planet, it follows a ton of multiple protagonists

[paper maple]

Okay thank god

I love anthologies because i can never focus on actual novels im stupid

[tall phoenix]

Why tho

[safe plover]

iktfb

[paper maple]

Uhhh too long + makes me lose focus

[safe plover]

try using audiobooks instead

[wise yew]

As someone reading Gotrek and Felix

[tall phoenix]

^

[wise yew]

God damn i need to finish dragon slayer

[royal egret]

I just 1.5 speed on audiobooks

[safe plover]

i only read galaxy in flames myself because it was so fucking good i couldnt stop

[paper maple]

Galaxy in Flames is PEAK

[tall phoenix]

Im more of a Know No Fear girl myself

[paper maple]

Excellent choice madam

[safe plover]

its coming up for me

[paper maple]

Its one of THE best 30k books imo

[tall phoenix]

^

Its what saved the Ultramarines from obscurity in the Heresy

gives them a fuck ton of character

also has one of the most metal covers in the series lol

[safe plover]

whos the writer

[tall phoenix]

oh

whos gonna tell him

[paper maple]

[safe plover]

NO

NO

[tall phoenix]

[safe plover]

i now know fear

[paper maple]

Shut the fuck up ITS GOOD

[safe plover]

thank you horus i have collected the 40k hammers

[tall phoenix]

STOP HATING

[safe plover]

does it have many danisms?

[tall phoenix]

Uh Eli you take over i gotta go re-warm my tea and actually go back to reading

[paper maple]

[paper maple]

Not a lot

its one of his more subdued works

[wise yew]

Use a flame thrower

[safe plover]

on a scale of legion to prospero burns

[paper maple]

It deffo also doesnt have the Abnettism of "Im a harvard graduate so im gonna use complex words nobody knows"

id say Legion

[safe plover]

FUCK

[paper maple]

its not too far apart IRL timeline wise

[safe plover]

ITS OVER

[paper maple]

oh come on

JUST READ IT

[safe plover]

no no ill try

i always try

only legion made me want to fucking die

[paper maple]

You liked Abyss, its impossible for you to noıt like this one

[safe plover]

prospero burns was ok

[royal egret]

You got two chapters in and tapped out

[safe plover]

i like everything with varying degrees

except legion

[paper maple]

Legion is definitley sus in some areas but i wouldnt say its terrible

[safe plover]

and many of the short stories

[paper maple]

its deffo got some cases of Abnett being up his ass but its alright/fun

[safe plover]

it almost gave me a stroke

[paper maple]

[royal egret]

I’d heavily suggest trying to read it again and getting farther in

[paper maple]

stop HATING!!

[safe plover]

the worst thing i ever read, then listened to

i tried reading it and i tried listening to it

it almost killed me

[paper maple]

Man

[royal egret]

Stop being so weak

[paper maple]

if a book breaks you like that then i got bad news

[royal egret]

Legion isn’t even on the top 30 worst heresy books

You also need to get a little farther than two chapters

[safe plover]

give me examples whats worse

[paper maple]

Uhhh

Battle for the Abyss?

[royal egret]

It might take a minute but

[safe plover]

its ok so far

[paper maple]

the plot itself is good

its just not a good 30k novel

[royal egret]

Any Dark Angels book, Abyss as mentioned, Damnation of Pythos, any Kyme book

[paper maple]

(i might be being too nice idk)

Also that yeah

the Dark Angels and Salamanders books are UNIVERSALLY bad

[safe plover]

dark angel books are perfectly fine

[paper maple]

no they arent

have you read them

[safe plover]

vulkan lives and the salamanders short stories are good

[royal egret]

Look I dunno, taste is subjective but

[safe plover]

salamanders have the only good short stories

[royal egret]

Abnett hasn’t written a heresy book anywhere near as bad as Kymes

[paper maple]

Yeah i can accept they are "fine" but man they are not good. The authors were just not cooking with these parchment pieces.

[royal egret]

I don’t even love Legion but

[paper maple]

Kyme im sure only has half the clout he has in BL due to being its chief editor

[royal egret]

The writing from Kyme is just subpar

If you enjoyed it power to you but

[paper maple]

Ive not met a single Salamander fan who likes his shit

which in the marine fandom is an achievement

[safe plover]

vulkan lives is good i liked it

[paper maple]

Yeah but i dont like you

🔫

[royal egret]

Then tbh I don’t think most peoples recommendations are gonna matter

[paper maple]

Yeah prob just ask here and read what you think is best

or look up Arbitrator Ian's 30k review of all the books

hes very good

[safe plover]

ugh its a video

id rather read it

[royal egret]

So obviously Goodreads isn’t ubiquitous it the authors have talked about how they prefer people try to leave reviews because it’s hard to find a consensus or idea of how people have liked a book

Kyme has…very poor scores on it

Especially with how people tend to rate stuff

If you enjoy it that’s fine, I’m just saying most peoples opinions here aren’t gonna probably help you much

[shy lark]

Why read more than 7 HH books, it's a waste of time 🤓

[unborn merlin]

Ermm based?

[brittle tapir]

i buy HH books so i can say i read them (i have not)

also i can build a fortress out of them as bricks

[safe plover]

battle for the abyss is ||perfectly readable||

i enjoyed the sections where i got to see ||space wolves acting like drunk idiots and thousand sons being bad ass space wizards but for the loyalist side||

[drowsy urchin]

literally the only HH book worth a refund

Listened through it, couldn't recall anything noteworthy that happened in it. Got annoyed I spent a month's credit on it and refunded it

then again, I might've been too harsh and too hungry to get more/better content

[mellow knot]

Good [timezone of choice], everyone.

[drowsy urchin]

🫡

[safe plover]

it was ok

nothing big happened

but it was nice seeing space marines of different legions chilling

it has a very 80s action movie vibe

[wise yew]

Good [timezone of choice] to you too Gorequeen of the Blood God

[safe plover]

ok

starting know no fear

is this where the kino starts?

[drowsy urchin]

oh yes

[tall phoenix]

very much so

[safe plover]

GOD ||G man sounds so autistic||

oopsie

[tall phoenix]

[safe plover]

they really made him the guy from office space

[safe plover]

🤔

is ||two admech magos flirting with eachother|| part of said kino?

[royal egret]

It adds to the tragedy

[tall phoenix]

Its hot

so i dunno you tell us

fuckface

[safe plover]

that was rude

[tall phoenix]

I know

jokes aside toh

whenever a brief romance happens in 40k novels you should know it usually comes with "they were 2 days from retirement" messsage

[safe plover]

lmao yeah

[tall phoenix]

anyway glad to hear its kino so far

hope that stays the course

[drowsy urchin]

https://bsky.app/profile/robertrath.bsky.social/post/3ld4x6h4gm22v

Robert Rath (@robertrath.bsky.social)

I have indeed confirmed it is true—The Infinite and the Divine tops the chart at Warhammer World!

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Bluesky · Dec 12, 2024, 6:57 PM

[severe trail]

ROBERT RATH MY GOAT

[royal egret]

Horus Rising still being that high up is wild

[safe plover]

||We no longer bear the word, my friend. We bear Lorgar|| 🔥 🗣️

[tall phoenix]

Bear his massive boobs more like

also Krieg being in 3rd place is YEET

ESPECIALLY ahead of Brutal Kunnin at 5th place

[brittle tapir]

isn't it the one HH book that got new york bestseller

[royal egret]

A lot have

[tall phoenix]

yeah literally every HH book is "new york best-seller"

to the point that it kinda becomes meaningless lmao

[unborn merlin]

Krieg is so ass

[drowsy urchin]

tells you how stupidly popular Krieg are

will eat the sloppy slop as long as it's about Krieg

[tall phoenix]

Okay good i was trying not to be mean but like yeah

its weird because I HAVE met about as many krieg fans who did not like the book and called it boring, guess the mass-consumption doesnt help either way lol

[safe plover]

theres so few people buying books and very few good books and unbearable amounts of slop

evey good to ok book is bount to be a best seller

[tall phoenix]

NEW

YORK

BEST

SELLER

⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐ ⭐

[drowsy urchin]

I'd argue that reaching NY Best Sellers as a Warhammer book is a decent achievement because it only counts sales in the US afaik

and enough sales within a week or some shit

[tall phoenix]

Yeah but like i said when its EVERY book it gets a bit funny

[drowsy urchin]

but it's a shit measure still

[tall phoenix]

i actually mixed up my reading order in HH once because almost 10 of the books i picked had "NY best seller" in them

[drowsy urchin]

do they though, because I can't recall many being listed there

[tall phoenix]

i thought i was actualy being stupid or mixing them up

[tall phoenix]

Yes lmfao

some dont have it printed on them tho strangely enough

i had physical copies of a few

might be printing errors tho not sure

[drowsy urchin]

I now realised how difficult it is to find past best sellers

you either go by date alone or google the title

there's no easy list

[tall phoenix]

YEP

And sometimes said "best seller" tag gets removed since its a marketing gimmick.

[drowsy urchin]

these were the titles that reached it by 2012, but can't find a comprehensive list after that

[tall phoenix]

Yeah it gets muddy

[drowsy urchin]

and the earlier books making the list was partly because they were only sold in one format, the latter have not made it because how they are sold

so if a book sells half and half in paperback and eBook it won't have the same 'value' as if all the copies were paperback

[random marlin]

I'm kind of proud to see you not trying to be mean to this book, Dilara 😌 and you may remember I disliked it quite a lot too. But to each one's own, and I can understand people enjoying it if they're not bothered by its manichaeism and, let's say, its probably unintentionally confusing messages.

[tall phoenix]

I will always be a hater when I can

Its just a case where even most krieg fans I know from what I can tell disliked the book largely because its just kinda boring lol

[safe plover]

theres nothing wrong with hate is a perfectly normal emotion

you should always hate things that are bad, mutated, a psyker, a heretic its in the loading tips of the game

[tall phoenix]

[random marlin]

Tsk tsk, don't make me tap the sign "40k is a cautionary tale, not an instruction manual", please.

[tall phoenix]

[safe plover]

[unborn merlin]

[safe plover]

know no fear is pretty good

some of the ||ship action was a little hard to follow tho|| but thats prolly on me since im kinda bad with names its harder for me to follow which ship belongs to who

[drowsy urchin]

I mean if the ships are named "The righteous gladius" and the "Spiky Cockstabber" is it that hard to guess which belongs to which

[safe plover]

i mean

Infidus Imperator does sound very hereticy

but still their names are long 😭

[safe plover]

can fugging gramaticus fugging stop saying fugging

[tall phoenix]

We gotta censor the word "fuck/fucking" for the child readers

think of them!!!

[safe plover]

theres a gif for this but i dont wanna google it

"fuck dem kids"

but seriously either say fuck or dont say it this fugging shit is cringe

[tall phoenix]

Also the think is like

"frak/frakking" at least has the hard K in it

[severe trail]

iirc its because of like

[tall phoenix]

I fucking hate when they use shit like Feth

[severe trail]

some stupid British law involving swearing

[tall phoenix]

Yeah it is

[severe trail]

more specifically the F word

[tall phoenix]

its a book censorship law thing

[severe trail]

anyways fuck is canonically the swear word on cadia

and that can never be taken away

[tall phoenix]

they get away with it in Warhammer Crime because i think the mindset is "its a sub-setting of a sub-setting book so nobody cares"

[severe trail]

Warhammer Crime is also

rated "higher" in terms of its like

how do I put it

[tall phoenix]

YEAH that was it sorry

[severe trail]

yeah the rating thing

[tall phoenix]

because they actually swear like people which is really immersive

[severe trail]

it can't be

in as many like

book stores lol

but w/e

[tall phoenix]

Yeah thats it lmao

[severe trail]

ngl I don't mind fake swearing

but it has to sound good

[tall phoenix]

I do when its shit

[severe trail]

LOL

[tall phoenix]

fucking Boba FETH

It just feels wrong

"Fuck" is such a primal swear

you CANNOT take this away

[safe plover]

ehhh they can still not say it if they dont wanna pay fines or fuck with their rating or w/e

dont give me that unalive bullshit

[tall phoenix]

YOU SHOULD FRAK YOURSELF

NOW

[safe plover]

KARKIN' MODS GONE OFF THE RAILS AGAIN

[royal egret]

Tbh it takes me out of it more when they use our swears

[safe plover]

oh so they can use every word in the english language except fuck

in the distant grimdark future.... you may not say fuck....

[drowsy urchin]

you may, as long as it's not written down

[royal egret]

No but for the same reason they say stubbers instead of machine gun or lasgun instead of laser rifle, or Beast of Nurgle instead of your mother, it feels better

[safe plover]

theres a clear difference between artistic choice and something they were cornored into

[frigid osprey]

if i had to guess its cause of ratings and that they want kids to be able to buy the books, or sell them in the shops, or whatever

i dont know if theres actually ratings for books but its got to be something like that

or they dont want parents to give them grief over their kids rading the F word

the violence is a-okay. i guess it's made-up violence so

[severe trail]

Warhammer crime is the only warhammer series I can conceivably see GW letting a writer use an actual Slur

mostly because we're already 50% of the way there with the "on some planets your brother would be lynched for being gay"

and also the void born getting lynched

[tall phoenix]

There actually is, its why the book swear-censorship is so semantic

[safe plover]

we have plenty of slurs in warhammer just not about any groups we should care about

green skin, freak, witch

🤔 is the K word used in warhammer (knife ear)

[tall phoenix]

no

its always "pointy" since "knife ear" itself is a pretty dumb insult

[wise yew]

yeah and let's be honest dwarves are more creative with their racial slur games

[safe plover]

know no fear was really good

what book continues its story?

[drowsy urchin]

Betrayer?

yeah Betrayer

[safe plover]

🚬

only 3948 more short stories

[drowsy urchin]

almost all short stories are negligible in the over arching story if you're in for that

there are a couple that come up in proper novels but most don't

[safe plover]

YUP

ive listened to quite a few

and the only semi interesting one was a salamanders one about one dude looking for vulkan

he ||thought/knew vulkan was dead but still kept looking fully acknowledging his own delusion while screaming vulkan lives||

it was nice

but the short stories so far are not worth it imo

[drowsy urchin]

the ones included in The Last Phoenix omnibus were all pretty decent what I recall

also the ones in the first few anthologies

[safe plover]

do not get honor the dead on audiobook

its shit

[tall phoenix]

Spoilers, Vulkan dies

[safe plover]

90% CLANK CLANK CLANK

[safe plover]

VULKAN LIVES HE LIVESSS

[safe plover]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fnew-twitch-drop-event-book-club-portrait-frame-dec-19-v0-5ilj3wwmfx6e1.png%3Fwidth%3D1080%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3De90c82fa7604eeb6aab6542cd4e840e6b205a592

this dude reads ONE book and gets a frame

[tall phoenix]

When you got a sexy voice you WILL go places

[safe plover]

give me 7 cartons of camel reds that should do the trick

[safe plover]

the betrayer is really good too

i like angron

i never thought i did

sadly the book starts too late after mccrag and doesnt explain how lorgar and angron allied

|| ‘Creature,’ the primarch said again. ‘You have your orders?’||
||‘I do.’ ‘Very well. Then be ready to execute them.’||
||Argel Tal saluted a second time, and started to turn away. ‘Creature,’ the primarch said a third time, smiling now. He enjoyed the way the insult tasted.||

[drowsy urchin]

This is nice, glad they got some sort of continuation to the book clubs

and a use for the frames they made for it

[floral trout]

Also a rebroadcast on jan 10th

[orchid herald]

i pretty sure knife ears is used in Lukas

[safe plover]

idk who that is but i like em

[orchid herald]

it a spacewolf who is too much a trickster for them, so he is a called the jackal wolf, and he ki nd of funny for a SW as he doesn't go for the whole Brute force approch but rather guile stealth and misdirection. as his way of warfare, ties in well with his humours personalilty like spiking drinks, leading wolf-packs into Dangrous creatures and the like, the Novel exolain how he got his heart stolen'

[royal egret]

Lukas the Trickster

[safe plover]

ye i got from the google search

[orchid herald]

Based as hell of a character

[safe plover]

but that sounds 40k lore

im still doing 30k for the next 2 years

[royal egret]

Basically the troll of 40k

[orchid herald]

though the frame we might be getting from the Drop doesn;t look like the OG book club frame we got from t he start of book club

[safe plover]

make him read horus heresy i dont care about darktide short stories

[orchid herald]

get him to read HH books + the Background books which is in it self a nightmare to source and read as they fit inbetween HH books.

[safe plover]

90% of horus heresy is idk how this shit started but im having a good time

[orchid herald]

TBH i gave up after reading about 5 books iin HH then just read the 40k Codexs+ Novels instead since it far more relevant to it, as it current cannon working inside 40k rather then cannon that has been written over or spun off differently over the years. i do like 30k i will probabale grab the other half of the books over time but it unlikely i will finish it in the 5 years. since 40k is by far the more update and published marterials

[drowsy urchin]

It's not, but there were multiple made so this is one of them. Only the first one was released originally

[safe plover]

im not allowed to post memes here but "diging for diamonds guy.jpg"

most of the horus heresy books are really good

aside from legion

[drowsy urchin]

eat dirt, Legion is great

[safe plover]

and horus rising is not really needed aside from introducing garviel

[safe plover]

no

legion bad

[drowsy urchin]

your opinion will be disregarded

Horus Rising is also Kino

[safe plover]

i respect your choice

the first few chapters of horus rising were fire

but idk i felt like it kept loosing traction

while galaxy in flames to flight were peak from start to finish

[drowsy urchin]

I'd understand that rhetoric if it were about the transition from Horus Rising to False Gods which is jarring and felt very rushed

but Horus Rising alone is great

[safe plover]

idk the issue is for me dan abnett is really hit and miss

sometimes he goes off the rails and shits up a book sometimes hes on good behavior

legion is a good example for me

it has 1) dan abnett
2) alpha legion
3) john gram
4) random dan phrases and words

4 strikes

i almost got a stroke listening to the first chapter

[royal egret]

To be clear

He didn’t actually finish legion or get a fourth of the way in

[drowsy urchin]

I cast testicular torsion

[safe plover]

the first chapter made me vomit in pain

its the worst thing ive ever read

then listened to

i tried reading it i couldnt

i tried listening to it

i couldnt

legion is the worst book in horus heresy so far

[drowsy urchin]

yet you got through The Battle For The Abyss

[safe plover]

it had a few good moments scattered in between

and no dan writing which helped

[drowsy urchin]

I get that Dan's writing might not be for everyone but his prose is leagues above anyone else's in the Hersy imo

[shy lark]

Tbf I also dropped Legion, but that's because I have an irrational hatred of the Alpha Legion

But speaking of traitors, I finished Soul Hunter for the second time in ~10 years. Not as good as I remember, but still alright

[frigid osprey]

Really? I thought Legion was by far one of the better ones I've read

But also, native English speaker, never really considered how Dan's writing might be hard to read for a non native speaker

how am I meant to know which words are purely made up

Easy, u just be a native speaker

[safe plover]

bruh

the words he uses are used in legion are in my language and dilara's they are just so bastardized they lose all meaning

he fucking uses the least common varients

i am 100% sure you dont know or use bashaw/wadi

[tall phoenix]

But I still liked legion 😭

its very much Abnett still not being as much of a grognard as he was in Siege

[tall phoenix]

I literally only know "wadi" because in Turkish "vadi" means the same ting.

but even then since its a different dialect from ours id still google to be even sure of that lol

[royal egret]

Also context clues

I knew the word from other media

[tall phoenix]

Yeah but still most people wouldn't.

he uses a lot more obscure old english/other regional words in some of his shit to sound archaic an it comes off as bizarre.

Again though I think the worst of it was still in The End and the Snore™️, the other ones are just kinda whatever but i dont blame anyone for being annoyed at having to look up quirky words authors put into novels

[safe plover]

yup ones arabic ones turkish both are used in both

[tall phoenix]

Yep. Also like

this isnt a case of "Oh I wonder what stab-lights means in 40k" your brain just goes "Oh its just spotlights but weirder because sci-fi"

[safe plover]

i refuse to believe that normal english speakers casually say wadi instead of valley

i am sure that people just read books and ignore the words they dont know

[tall phoenix]

95% very much do not lol

also it kinda depends like what i said above

like when they use weird in-universe lingo you can mostly assume what it means

[safe plover]

the verbal vomit makes sense somtimes when its in the context of say space wolves

you refuse to learn gothic properly

[tall phoenix]

*wet leopard growl*

[frigid osprey]

i personally think thats why his writing is a cut above everyone elses

but i get how it might be a turnoff to some ppl

like 40k is a stylised setting

[tall phoenix]

Eh I dont know, ive seen an equal amount of people say its not really fun to tab out of a book to google what the words he use mean.

It very much becomes pretentious after a certain point

[frigid osprey]

nothing wrong with that at all in my view

how are u meant to learn more words otherwise?

[tall phoenix]

Bro

[frigid osprey]

ive been doing that my whole life haha

not just with 40k books

[tall phoenix]

im not gonna fucking use the old egyptian term for lapis lazuli in a conversation ever in my life

[safe plover]

bruh if i said bashaw im getting slapped first of all its not used anymore

[tall phoenix]

LMAO

[frigid osprey]

i think we all agree that one is stupid

[safe plover]

second of all its WRONG

its pasha in turkish and ENGLISH

ITS WRONG

[frigid osprey]

frank herbert does it all the time

[tall phoenix]

actually its Paşha 🤓

[tall phoenix]

okay but his writing is even goofier

[frigid osprey]

it makes the setting richer

[tall phoenix]

with all the sex stuff especially

and he has the excuse of being high on shrooms

[safe plover]

oh sorry ill just sit down on my canape and think about that

[frigid osprey]

"oh these guys use different words to us, wait of course they do, its an alien planet"

[tall phoenix]

The problem with that is

sometimes these words arent said by people

its said by the text itself

[safe plover]

oh what dilara??? you dont enjoy using a kalem to write down NEW WORDS TO USE ???

[tall phoenix]

[safe plover]

its so pretentious

[tall phoenix]

It depends.

[royal egret]

I mean it’s not exactly hard to google them at worst

[frigid osprey]

meh, different strokes

[royal egret]

Or use context clues

[tall phoenix]

I mean

that doesnt make it any better

[frigid osprey]

i think its a bit anti-intellectual imo

[royal egret]

Like lapis lazuli blue isn’t hard to figure out

[tall phoenix]

....

okay fuck off

that is legit just, no

lmao

[royal egret]

It’s a power weapon

It’s blue

[tall phoenix]

That... doesnt mean anything

[safe plover]

i am gonna hit you with my power balta

[tall phoenix]

what if its some new color its describing for Arstyness

[royal egret]

Yes it does when it doesn’t matter and it’s a non issue

[tall phoenix]

or any other reason

[tall phoenix]

No it doesnt

lol

[frigid osprey]

it was a weird egyptian term for lapis lazuli in that example

[safe plover]

funny thing balta means blunt weapon in arabic and axe in turkish

[tall phoenix]

Yeah i mostly let it pass but this one is just not defendable

like this is some extreme level of defense

[frigid osprey]

yes it was daft

[royal egret]

If you can figure it out by paying attention, it’s silly but it also doesn’t matter

[tall phoenix]

i mean to you sure

to some it does

so again, bad defense

[safe plover]

no i need to understand every word in a text

idc

[royal egret]

And those people are dumb, it’s insanely easy to figure out he’s just being artsy for blue

[frigid osprey]

i really dont want it to be the case that its seen as a bad thing to look up words you dont understand

[royal egret]

It’s a power weapon

It’s the end and the death

[frigid osprey]

like yeah, you look shit up if you need to

[tall phoenix]

People are dumb because they dont know some ancient egyptian dialect term.

Okay buddy

[royal egret]

No they’re dumb because it’s easy to figure out what’s meant

[tall phoenix]

Its really not

[royal egret]

Worst case you Google the word

[tall phoenix]

again what if hes meaning something else

[royal egret]

The word is describing a power weapons color

[tall phoenix]

since its TeatD that happens way too much

[safe plover]

by that logic

im just gonna start speaking arabic or hungarian

im just helping you all learn more!!!

[tall phoenix]

Yes as laps lazuli

not whatever the fuck the word the book used

[royal egret]

Except you don’t have to

Because it’s once again

One fucking word

[safe plover]

if dan can add random bullshit

[royal egret]

Which doesn’t matter

[safe plover]

so can i

[tall phoenix]

It does

again

[frigid osprey]

yeah, loan words, theyre a thing in languages brother

[tall phoenix]

to some people

[royal egret]

It doesn’t

[tall phoenix]

It does

genuinely knock it off lol

[royal egret]

Nothing about it matters for the book

[tall phoenix]

"I dont care. Nobody should either."

[royal egret]

If the book was ruined for you by a flowery description for a power weapons color

[safe plover]

no one in english uses WADI its not a common loan word like reservoir

ITS NOT COMMON

[royal egret]

Then idk what to say

[safe plover]

THATS THE ISSUE

[frigid osprey]

it is

[tall phoenix]

Nobody is saying it was ruined you forward-guessing grognard

[safe plover]

no its fucking not

wadi is not common at all

[royal egret]

Just look it up if it’s that hard, is it overly flowery? Sure. Does it matter? No not really

[tall phoenix]

Its not about that

like

[frigid osprey]

shrug yeahg it is

[tall phoenix]

why are you missing the point so much

[royal egret]

You can basically always figure out these words with context

[tall phoenix]

Yeah and you sometimes cant

people think/work differently

[royal egret]

You’re the one who brings up it all the time

[tall phoenix]

Because its stupid

lmao

[safe plover]

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=7&case_insensitive=on&content=WADI

[royal egret]

It’s overly flowery, it also doesn’t matter at all

[safe plover]

this is not common at all

[tall phoenix]

Definitely does.

[royal egret]

How

[tall phoenix]

It bothers me, simple

lol

[royal egret]

How does it affect anything

So it doesn’t ok

[tall phoenix]

and you argue with me because it bothers you

♻️

[royal egret]

No I’m arguing because it’s a stupid complaint

[tall phoenix]

It does, I literally just said so,

I mean to you sure

[frigid osprey]

like i had no issue knowing what Wadi means, there's Wadi Rum in Jordan, its very famous

[tall phoenix]

lol

[frigid osprey]

and even then you look up what wadi means and now you know

[safe plover]

YOU JUST GOOGLED IT

[frigid osprey]

haha

no i didnt

[royal egret]

I also knew some of these terms because I you know

Have read books and other things

[paper maple]

Its very much a stupid bit in a weird book

[royal egret]

And gotten exposed to different words

[frigid osprey]

im not fucking american

[royal egret]

Which is kinda part of the fun of reading sometimes

[paper maple]

I mean to some, to some its not

[frigid osprey]

imagine projecting that shit on other people lmao

[royal egret]

You learn a new word and look it up

[tall phoenix]

Kind of what im getting at

this entire train of logic is

[frigid osprey]

"i dont like looking upu what words mean, theres no way anyone is aware of what words mean cause im not"

[tall phoenix]

"I think its good. So therefore you are stupid for having this opinion"

okay cool, go back to reddit

[frigid osprey]

"anyone that knows something must have looked it up for this conversation"

[paper maple]

Yeah lol

ive been watching this spiral for 10m

[safe plover]

they arent commonly used words

[royal egret]

I’m not the one complaining about a few words in a book being stuff I don’t know

[paper maple]

they really arent

i dont get this argument still

[safe plover]

they are just obscure synonyms for useless shit

[paper maple]

aside from eternal again being a semantics-man lol

[royal egret]

Neither is lasgun and wyrd and all these other made up bullshit words

[paper maple]

Then dont participate. Isnt that your own advice regarding overdone topics lol

[safe plover]

bruh lasgun is understandable wyrd is just weird

[tall phoenix]

A lasgun is kinda easier to understand lol

awful example

[safe plover]

theyre also ENGLISH

[royal egret]

Wyrd

[frigid osprey]

i guarantee you if all loan words and weird archaic shit was stripped out of 40k books, there's then be complaints that the text is all generic shit

[royal egret]

Is not English lol

[safe plover]

not random words in turkish or arabic

or ancient egyptian

[tall phoenix]

Either way yeah

these are not comparable lol

[safe plover]

i hate dan abnetts kutup theyre so bad

[royal egret]

How? Wyrd is a very uncommon word which no ones gonna use ever

[safe plover]

oh wait

[tall phoenix]

Wyrd just makes people thing "weird"

so therefore something paranormal or other weird stuff

[paper maple]

^

[frigid osprey]

wyrd is also common in the context of 40k

[royal egret]

That’s not what it means though

[paper maple]

Its still getting the point across tbh

[royal egret]

It’s not

[tall phoenix]

It is

[paper maple]

yeah it is

[royal egret]

It’s fate

It’s not “weird”

[tall phoenix]

Not in the context 40k uses it in

[royal egret]

Yes it is

[tall phoenix]

No its not

[royal egret]

Yes they literally call it that in SW books

Your wyrd

[tall phoenix]

SW books

[royal egret]

Your fate

[tall phoenix]

anyway

as i was saying

Some authors use it in that "fate" analog and some LITERALLY use it as "weird-wyrd" for other paranormal stuff

like it isnt some mandate the meaning gets lost lol

[paper maple]

Especially with so many books tbh

tho uh i lost the plot again

what were we arguing about

[frigid osprey]

not wanting to look up what words mean

[tall phoenix]

Im just waiting for my pasta to cool down lol

[paper maple]

Ah yeah

that depends tbh

if its something easy to guess its fine

[royal egret]

Personally I’ve literally never heard of anyone’s reading experiences being severely impacted by having to look up “Wadi” until now and I’ve talked to a lot of people about these books

But hey

[paper maple]

if its not then i ge tthe complaint

[royal egret]

That’s just me

[tall phoenix]

Nobody said its severely affected

[safe plover]

we were arguing about the írás

[frigid osprey]

me neither tbh

[royal egret]

It obviously was

[tall phoenix]

I mean no it wasnt

[frigid osprey]

its news to me, but also im a native speaker

[royal egret]

Because why the fuck are we making such a big deal about it otherwise

[tall phoenix]

...

Why are you?

[paper maple]

^

you are literally

perpetuating this

again

seriously, shut up

[tall phoenix]

If I was a worse mod id time this guy out for lesser shit tbh

genuinely cannot have a normal argument without it turning into a pointless yap-session

[paper maple]

I mean

[royal egret]

I literally have no issue with it, and I’m not the one who brings it up, I’m dusting it’s a non issue and you’re the ones saying to somehow matters

[paper maple]

it doesnt go beyond "You are dumb for arguing with me for this because I dont care"

or

"it doesnt matter"

he says

and goes on

[safe plover]

ok im just gonna randomly switchout some szovak to other languages

[royal egret]

Yes you can add words from other cultures into a book to add to it

[safe plover]

i dont erdekel this is perfectly fine and good for everyones vocab

[royal egret]

This is a common thing

[frigid osprey]

thats not how loan words really work though is it

[safe plover]

igan ill do that

[paper maple]

Then stop arguing about it if you dont care so much as you said so before lol

[safe plover]

you are igaz

i will tovabb do this

[royal egret]

Yes this is a common thing authors do

[paper maple]

Yes we know eternal

[frigid osprey]

otherwise its just called code-switching and u cant expect anyone to understand it

[paper maple]

shut up

lol

[tall phoenix]

Either way yeah seriously like

[safe plover]

so true its nagyon common

[tall phoenix]

AAAAA-

[safe plover]

its very tipikus to do in a lot of kitap

[tall phoenix]

Excuse me

its kıtap

[safe plover]

its actually kitab

[frigid osprey]

u bring up an interesting linguistic point about where the line is in terms of a loan word being okay to use

i an interested in hearing more of ur thesis

[tall phoenix]

The issue is we can actually properly talk with you

[safe plover]

nincs points im just very petty

[paper maple]

Its definitely easier to debate when like uh

you dont have some guy in here constantly going "nuh uh dont care/stupid"

not pointing fingers obvs

[frigid osprey]

oops, sorry, i said thesis by the way

[tall phoenix]

[frigid osprey]

non-english klaxon

[tall phoenix]

To be fair that doesnt really count

thesis is a pretty regularly used enough word

[frigid osprey]

^

[tall phoenix]

Also this entire core of the argument is entirely lost

so i dont think it matters too much

i didnt even keep up mostly i was just eating my pasta

[frigid osprey]

also I just do want to briefly acknowledge that I had no fucking clue what bashaw meant until about a quarter of the way through the book haha

[tall phoenix]

Yeah im kicking you out of the bookclub for this revelation

[frigid osprey]

Some kind of rank? Or a job? Hmm, can't be that it means a clone or something, right?

[tall phoenix]

I literally couldnt guess lol

sounds like a british fastfood

[frigid osprey]

the more i think about it, dan abnett was absolutely channeling DUne for Legion

[tall phoenix]

The femdom legion structure kinda shows it

half my reaction reading anything to do with them was "you can tell a guy wrote this" lmao

[frigid osprey]

haha

yeah...

it's of its time...

[royal egret]

Geno Five-Two Chiliad is the absolute wildest idea for a regiment I’ve read in 40k

It’s a whole regiment of

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[frigid osprey]

"whys this guy talking about San Andreas"

[tall phoenix]

I mean

its not the worst GTA

https://tenor.com/view/cat-with-green-bandana-scarf-gta-grove-street-animated-men-guys-standing-around-cat-gif-25836123

[tall phoenix]

Also no no its not that sexist i just meant like the horny levels were very obvious.

Abnett definitely comes across as a clueless pervert sometimes to me with HOW MUCH he repeats his female characters wear skintight suits

like yes I GET IT

ASS.

BOOBS.

[frigid osprey]

bequin descriptions in eisenhorn

dan, just go for a wank mate, jeez

[royal egret]

The fact that the sons of these girls who are accelerated grown and like only five or six, also go around banging the other women is definitely

Odd

Makes sense but it’s wild

[safe plover]

yup because its the arabic plural form of a turkish word

i am literally the only person who understood it without googling it

pasha became basha which becomes bashawat

[tall phoenix]

yeet

[safe plover]

i have a friend go goes by that

its also turkish

[tall phoenix]

Yeah Paşha is like "chief/master" mostly

[safe plover]

i was talking about yeet

[tall phoenix]

[safe plover]

its tru

[frigid osprey]

me, blissfully unaware of how that word is just two languages smashed together in a way that seems stupid to anyone who actually speaks those languages

I LOVE SPACE WORDS LOL

[safe plover]

just like the empror mahboob by all taught his sons

there is danger in some knowledge

[safe plover]

😭 im starting to feel rossz for angron

szegeny.... never got his world nor his conquest, never even got a chance to avenge his people

his implants wont let him siir or lament his loss 😭

[tall phoenix]

: )

[brittle tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-transform-cctv-gif-17696730

[tall phoenix]

[cerulean peak]

damn, 343i really did the chief dirty

[safe plover]

i managed to finally convince a friend to read warhammer books

y-yes just read these first 4 books nothing bad is gonna happen...

[tall phoenix]

A lot of people are gonna explode

[brittle tapir]

dont spoiler that the emperor dies

[safe plover]

im not gonna spoil anything

ill drip feed lore for the next 10 years

[brittle tapir]

you should explain all of lore like the emperor is still fine in 40k

so your friend becomes very confused when talking about lore to others

[safe plover]

cant wait to introduce another person to the fuck erebus cult

[safe plover]

mark of calth fucking sucks btw

i hate all short stories

[unborn merlin]

That one's a skip for sure.

It does introduce a character that's sorta important in the SoT tho.

[drowsy urchin]

and the red helmet lore is neat

[safe plover]

that wasnt even mark of calth

it was the betrayer

[drowsy urchin]

no wait, I was thinking of Censure, maybe

it was about Aeonid anyways

[safe plover]

eh doesnt matter im prolly gonna go back to know no fear and the betrayer eventually

they were really good but kinda hard to follow

[tall phoenix]

"hard to follow"

im gonna burn you on a pyre i swear

[safe plover]

what

im 1) stupid 2) listen to the books while doing stuff

[tall phoenix]

you're about to listen to this gunshot

[orchid herald]

Witchfinder have you found a Witch? do as Victor would

[tall phoenix]

Dont worry I will

[safe plover]

witch hunts arent allowed anymore

smh woke ass imperium

[orchid herald]

will appear.

[safe plover]

holy shit

i cant deal with the mark of calth

theres like 2 good shortstories

[unborn merlin]

Get used to it lmao.

The anthologies just get worse as time goes on.

[prisma bolt]

is rouge trader a fun enough book to get that reprint hard cover

[drowsy urchin]

Just finished Slayer

[tall phoenix]

Its a fun book but not sure if its that word it money-wise for a reprint

[drowsy urchin]

You're laughing? Gotrek son of Gurni has found his apparent doom at last and you're laughing?

[tall phoenix]

Yeah because its a funny book

[safe plover]

underworld war is not bad and the short story about erebus is not bad either