40k-book-club

[tall phoenix]

Its not written by Phil Kelly so I definitely will

[wise yew]

Yeah it's made by C L Werner which has a very good track record from what i heard

[iron ore]

Damn when's the last time CL Werner wrote a warhammer book?

Also, is WIlliam King retired? Last I saw from him was a world of warcraft book in 2016

[royal egret]

Basically yeah

He’s like 80 or almost iirc

Wait no he’s 64

Still that’s British 64 so he’s about to die any day now

[safe plover]

😭 jesus christ

i shouldnt have went back to fulgrim

this book is horrible

its not even done yet its so sad

[wise yew]

oh wait i was mixing them up

Noah Van Nguyen is gonna be the one writing this

that is 100% on me i have a very mixed memory

[scenic raft]

Genuinely curious, who do you guys consider to be a "mark of quality" author?

Mine are
Dan Abnett (obviously)
Graham McNeil
Guy Hayley
Christ Wraite
Mike Brooks
Sometimes ADB (Really good at writing, way to much of a Chaos Fanboy.)

I've only read a few David Annabella and he seems okay?

Really liked Ian St. Martin's Angron book.

[safe plover]

remove dan abnett from the first place before you get banned!

i wanna say Mitchel Scanlon and Graham McNeil for me

[royal egret]

I’d add Nate Crowley and Robert Rath.

McNeil and Hayley can be a little hit or miss for me.

I hate Brooks writing personally but I get a lot of people don’t

David Annandale does good horror, and I like a lot of his stuff but he has plenty of misses

[split sphinx]

the pulp slop list

[safe plover]

i like the horror stuff but i usually just end up watching summeries about them on YT

[tall phoenix]

MOOD

I think Horror is good but the only one I personally ever checked out due to said vid was Watcher in the Rain, one of my fav ones ever

[safe plover]

ye

i was gonna mention that one specifically

i tried the pig king one it wasnt as good

[tall phoenix]

Yeah im biased tho because I love depressive rainy atmosphere apocalypthic stories lol

https://tenor.com/view/rain-chair-sad-gif-24080159

[safe plover]

even without that it was really good story

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the reveal alone makes it imo

one of the few plot-twists that actually made me go "oh fuck"

[safe plover]

yeah

it happened so casually

i didnt even see it coming

||both twists actually||

[tall phoenix]

Yeah and saying it now as we are mentioning authors if it was anyone else you know they'd have made her like some evil chaos cultist or some shit

but no shes just a straight up psychopath, and it works

lmao

[safe plover]

one of the best short stories imo

[tall phoenix]

100%

[safe plover]

and ive listened to a lot of the horus heresy short stories

theyre mostly slop

there was one good one for the salamanders but i cant remember the name

[tall phoenix]

As ever 40k is at its best when its usually not focusing on planet cracking ultra slop events and sometimes just the daily life of peeps

its why Warhammer Crime is PEAK

[safe plover]

yeah a lot easier to connect with just people

as opposed to 8ft tall emotionless murder machines

[tall phoenix]

Yeah tho i think while Space Marine stories can be interesting too they just kinda blend together after awhile for me unless the book is like actually interesting, its one of the reasons why I love Lukas the Trickster for example

half the book is Space Wolves and the other half is Dark Eldar and most of it is the two protagonists shit-talking and outdoing each other

[royal egret]

My issue with SM writing is their too relatable a lot of times for what their lives are

[tall phoenix]

and the book actually ends with BOTH of them semi-winning

[safe plover]

i have too much horus heresy left over before i can get to the real peak

im not even done with fulgrim yet

[royal egret]

But I get it, it’s hard to write that stuff but still

[wise yew]

Oh boy I can't wait to read giant killing machine going through something or doing an adventure for the 50th time

[safe plover]

maaaan worst part is very VERY few books even touch up on the process of becoming said murder machine

[tall phoenix]

My favorite is uh

"Oh man marines are emotionless killing machines with no social cues!"

Authors: How tf am i suppose to work with that

Does the opposite

which is not bad btw its just funny

[split sphinx]

its just a bunch of marines that act like sheldon

thats the best compromise

[safe plover]

🚬 trust me theyre better off autistic

[tall phoenix]

Its a mix of both

Marines not getting social cues is mostly played off as comedy

[safe plover]

in the book ||fulgrim|| disgusting events happen ||and i would much rather deal with autistic marines rather than whatever bile woke up in them||

[tall phoenix]

tho it has hilarious bits like an Iron Hands thanking some guardsmen that saved him/his squad iirc and then sending them to be saved onboard their strike cruiser

(||they get turned into servitors for their service KEK||)

[tall phoenix]

Two Fulgrims

One Cup

[split sphinx]

boooo

[tall phoenix]

[scenic raft]

What if I told you, all warhammer is pulp slop?

[tall phoenix]

He isnt wrong.....

[split sphinx]

[tall phoenix]

[scenic raft]

But

Just become something is pulp slop, doesn't mean it can't be good

[split sphinx]

i am aware

i merely speak in jest

[leaden acorn]

"Hey remembrancer, can you rate my self portrait?"

"1/10 its too perfect"

Fulgrim:

[royal egret]

Hey to be fair he had them made into Medusan Auxilia, which are basically just a cross between chapter serfs and Skitarii.

Still a dick move but it’s not quite that bad.

Bizarrely nice by IH standards tbh

Without stingy they are about giving out augmetics.

Or anything really.

[cerulean peak]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[mellow knot]

I enjoy writing Space Marines, but that’s just me, I guess.

I loved my forays into Fantasy and Warcry though.

[brittle tapir]

space marines are very melodramatic and i love it

[safe plover]

mfw ferrus manus was ||happy alpha legion and night lords were coming to back him up||

im having a hard time continuing the book i feel so bad for him 😭

[royal egret]

Iirc there’s comments in different media for Istvaan V about how the shattered legion forces were surprised that the Night Lords showed up to Istvaan V prior to the reveal

[mellow knot]

Totally this. Such fun to write.

[tall phoenix]

You are a space marine author so

We can call Valkie a lucky superior alternative

[split sphinx]

ayo?! we got a bl author in here?!

[wise yew]

yes we do

[plain flint]

GW, REMAKE THE SALVATION'S REACH AUDIOBOOK WITH TOBY LONGWORTH, AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[split sphinx]

damn

[mellow knot]

Been here for aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages, mate.

[rose token]

holy shit nice!

[scenic raft]

Neat

[mellow knot]

Mostly I sit here quietly and throw in the odd (very odd) comment every now and then, because Dil is Overlord in these parts. ❤️

[tall phoenix]

I'm not 😭

[safe plover]

finished fulgrim its pretty good

i cant wait for ||a short story to fucking ruin its ending||

[severe trail]

You are smh

You own the lore and book club channels

[royal egret]

More like Overjanitor smh

[brittle tapir]

she's the only person here who actually reads

[safe plover]

its true

i even listen to books

every time i try to read i get a dan abnett book and lose a portion of my brain rendering me unable to read anything for months on end

[royal egret]

If Prospero Burns was too complex for you I shudder to think how you’d cope with a book which actually has different prose

Abnett will sometimes use a word you can figure out with context or google in a second and figure out

[safe plover]

prospero burns was the least bad dan abnett book

aside from ||the fucking dream chapter||

i unironically dropped horus rising 4 chapters in

[royal egret]

Literally millions of people have read his books and comics and comprehended them fine.

[safe plover]

and legion 1 chapter in

bruh

[royal egret]

He’s by far the most read BL author

[safe plover]

who said it was a comprehension issue

they just fucking suck

[royal egret]

That’s an interesting opinion

[safe plover]

yeah

i guess you love the darktide story too and its writer

[royal egret]

The Darktide story wasn’t bad cause his backstory

It was bad cause FS shit the bed and didn’t do anything with it

It’s a lot better now, he’s a big part of what made it interesting at all

I don’t think Abnett wrote “and then you have a five second conversation with each dude on the ship and then omg the traitor was that one guy!”

[safe plover]

the dialogue is the best part of it tho

[royal egret]

Idk what he did for dialogue or whatever, I know he did the backstory or consulted at least for the backstory for the regiment and planet

If he did any

It’s like how ADB was attached to Chaosgate

[safe plover]

did dan do stories for other games?

[royal egret]

I suspect they didn’t actually do much and no small part is just them being able to attach the name

[royal egret]

Shadow of Mordor and Alien Isolation iirc he was a part of

His worst work is probably the Ultramarines Movie

[safe plover]

oh no

[royal egret]

If you actually wanna go after something he’s done that’s regarded as bad.

[safe plover]

ultramarines movie sucked ass

shadow of mordor was good tho

[royal egret]

But that movie was kinda always gonna suck

He also was a part of writing Guardians of the Galaxy and has done some amazing comics runs

Including the GotG we know

[safe plover]

ehhhhh

[royal egret]

He’s done a lot of good stuff very consistently, I don’t think he always does good but even his books I don’t like some plot points aren’t bad

I don’t need to love every single detail of a book to like it or get that it’s still well written

[safe plover]

legion was a massive unmedicated disaster

[royal egret]

Legion is still a well written book even if the plot points didn’t pan out

And it literally invented the modern AL as a concept

[safe plover]

horus rising wend downhill after the 4th chapter
and prospero burns has an entire fucking chapter of a fever dream

[royal egret]

Omegon didn’t exist prior to that book for example

[safe plover]

man

i hate alpha legion in general

[royal egret]

Also you’re missing the literal 20 years gap

[safe plover]

and i dislike dan

[royal egret]

Stuff has changed a lot

[safe plover]

that book has two strikes

imagine the hate i felt when i was listening to a short story for the raven guard and || it ends with I AM ALPHARIUS||

ravens have such little content already and they ||had alpha legion replace them||

[royal egret]

He’s also written the only actual example we have of a well done Titan book imo

Titandeath I would say is second, but it’s still really really rough.

but in Guy Haley’s defense, he wrote it in like a month or two or some insane shit.

[mellow knot]

I got to write for an older Peter Quill and Rocket in a novel I did for Marvel and it was so much fun. Dan and Andy breathed so much life back into that franchise.

[royal egret]

Yeah its a very unique and fun group.

[shy lark]

So Abnett is to blame for the Alpha Legion memes

[jolly zenith]

Currently listening to the Krieg audiobook. Is it supposed to seem that colonel Jurten and the rest of the loyalists are the actual baddies in the civil war? Putting Inperium bias aside it is completely understandable to me why Krieg would not want to be slaves to the inperium and its cult.

[severe trail]

The Krieg secession was benign yeah

they weren't chaos worshippers or anything they just wanted to be free from the Imperium

[brittle tapir]

no matter the intentions, the imperium will do their absolute best to destroy anybody who tries to secede

[drowsy urchin]

Thinking about getting into the Dark Coil series, too bad only two of the books have audio formats though

it will be getting two omnibus releases next year but I doubt those will be in audio format either

The Reverie is a bit over 5 bucks on Audible at the moment so could dip in with that still

[severe trail]

The imperium marked it as a “genocide them later” thing while Jurten decided to just commit nuclear holocaust lol

Least deranged hardline imperial

[tall phoenix]

Entirely so yes, Jurten and Co are the crazies who want to be loyal to a regime who take their next generation from them just to go die in pointless wars

[severe trail]

They also didn’t want to pay taxes(based)

Beyond the guardsmen tithe

[drowsy urchin]

actually, taxes are based

[tall phoenix]

Someone kill this guy with hammers

[drowsy urchin]

can't catch me when I drive away on the roads my taxes have built

[wise yew]

let me guess, fav faction is NCR in fallout?

[drowsy urchin]

never played it far enough to have favourites

but probably yeah

[wise yew]

oh well you look like a NCR type of guy

[severe trail]

Ngl the secession was popular. how the fuck was there an entire hive full of imperial hardliners

Like how did that happen lol

[tall phoenix]

Because plot.

Also something-something military junta

[wise yew]

Yeah but let's avoid the because it's plot conversation i can hear eternal reward creeping ever closer

[tall phoenix]

aw hell no

but yeah the entire civil uprising's cause is not something you hear people talk a lot about since its a pretty black and white situation ironically

[oak pollen]

nuking your planet and winning the following centuries long war kinda removed anyone that would question the narrative

[tacit seal]

didn’t realise how big these are

both almost got 1k pages

my holiday in west africa sorted for the new year ✈️

[tall phoenix]

Remember its an omnibus

so it mixes together like 3 books that are 300-400 pages each

[tacit seal]

should looked what omnibus meant

[drowsy urchin]

lmao

[tall phoenix]

LMFAO

Yeah its basically a collection of multiple books into one big tome essentially.

No shame it took me until I was like 25 to learn what it meant lol

[safe plover]

yes alpha legion is his favorite and hes the reason they have so much shit despite being the worst legion

i hate alpha legion so much bros........

theyre just an excuse for lazy writing

why bother with motivation when you can have any char randomly do a 180 and scream I AM ALPHARIOUS

[tall phoenix]

To be fair its a mix of things

the fanbase have also absolutely ruined them as a faction imo more than anything the authors did lol

[wise yew]

The fan base cooked so hard they poisoned everyone

[drowsy urchin]

yeah honestly Legion barely has these problems

[tall phoenix]

Yeah i had to do a double-check lol

AL in 30k i agree are kinda annoying but almost every time they appear they very much are antagonists.

The authors just throw in the "BUT ARE THEY OR IS IT JUST MIXED ORDERS-" shit when they are clearly the bad guys of a book.

[safe plover]

HAHA I HAVE STABBED YOU IN THE GUT

[wise yew]

Honestly i think they are one of if not the most annoying joke in warhammer

[safe plover]

or have i......

[tall phoenix]

wait until you get to Siege

and meet Ingo Pech (again)

[tall phoenix]

Its funny because the fanbase gaslights itself into thinking the AL are anything but chaos.

[safe plover]

i have no idea how ||alpharious killed a custode|| he should not have been able to do that

isnt he the weakest of all primarchs?

[tall phoenix]

I mean hes still a Primarch

[wise yew]

A weak demigod is still a demigod

[drowsy urchin]

the weakest gorilla will still fuck you up

[wise yew]

It ain't that hard mathematically

[safe plover]

but muh custodes

[drowsy urchin]

just wait until you get to The Outcast Dead

[tall phoenix]

Someone slap this guy's nuts

[drowsy urchin]

I'm just the messenger

leave messenger's nuts alone

[tall phoenix]

[drowsy urchin]

[tall phoenix]

Anyway i think the most realistic/best custodes death still is one of them getting decapitated by a mining laser in Shadow Throne by a genecultist

[jolly zenith]

Maybe it’s just the naivety from not having read enough 40k but I actually thought that the deathkorp would be the likable protagonists until I got to the debate between Jurten and Krauss and was like:

[tall phoenix]

Yeah no the Death Korp (and every Imperial Guard regiment in general) are absolutely awful people, you ask them to massacre an entire civillian population and they'll absolutely do it with no questions asked, and if they do asked questions they'll just be executed and bring a regiment who will do the job no questions asked.

[drowsy urchin]

if something it doesn't come up often enough

[wise yew]

guard massacre the people over there they saw too much

literally just a bunch of children that didn't know any better

[tall phoenix]

Again usual 40k thing

We need semi/likable protagonists because something-something nobody wants to read about war criminals etc etc

Its why you'll never see the Cadian protag of some book be ordered to burn alive an entire hab-block of "possibly tainted" civillians with a melta and flamer squad

[wise yew]

Me who literally reads about Orks

[tall phoenix]

or commit any kind of horrific warcrimes

[tall phoenix]

Im talking more on the human front

[drowsy urchin]

I mean that's fine, it just should be more prevalent here and there, not necessarily the protagonist but just so you can see it here and there

[tall phoenix]

It really isnt fine when its just so widespread tbh.

You got people thinking space marines are noble heroes from never reading books and just consuming surface memes

[drowsy urchin]

meant this as being fine

[tall phoenix]

damn it

But yeah its just kinda whatever at this point im not too bothered about it.

Black Library will be Black Library, we need likable characters

something-something

[drowsy urchin]

still, even likable characters can be awful

which doesn't happen too often either

[tall phoenix]

LOL yeah

[drowsy urchin]

Eisenhorn is undoubtedly an awful person yet he is a likable character

don't think I can think of many more

[tall phoenix]

"Likable" is one way to describe him 💀

Daemonhost moment 💀

[drowsy urchin]

he had it coming

[tall phoenix]

BRUH

[drowsy urchin]

that's what you get for practically fanboying over him

[tall phoenix]

The Eisenhorn series is a comedy to me so i agree

[drowsy urchin]

actually I can't even remember if I'm thinking of the correct character who got 'hosted'

[tall phoenix]

Same like its not even a spoiler so many of his retinue members die i cant keep count who dies how

Most is like "wait did i miss something"

[drowsy urchin]

ah yes, I did remember correctly. Had to google around a bit

the ||young inquisitor Bastian Verveuk, trying to buddy up Eisenhorn most of the book||

[tall phoenix]

it was pretty funny to be fair

[drowsy urchin]

quite

[shy lark]

I want an absolute shit of a protagonist, a real bastard

Just fully embody the Imperium to its fullest extent

[drowsy urchin]

Eisenhorn is pretty close

old man Eisenhorn at least

[shy lark]

Maybe I should re-read them, it's been a long time

[leaden acorn]

Around the time with the titan is when eisenhorn starts going off the deep end

When he does his boy dirty

[royal egret]

Why would you think they’d be likable, their entire premise is they’re emotionally stunted fanatics

Even going off of the meme version of Krieg people use

[royal egret]

Primarchs aren’t that far apart from eachother. Without spoiling anything we see Alpharius fight other primarchs, and it’s a close fight which either could have won.

This idea the fanbase has that any primarch is “weak” compared to the others and that they can’t all kill eachother just fine isn’t shown much in books, some are better yes and have advantages but they’re all plenty dangerous to one another.

[safe plover]

its ok ive listened to 200 hours of summaries before starting the books i have an idea of who kills who

[safe plover]

from what i remember ||blue king killed one of the twins relatively easily and vulkan beat the shit out of cruz with relative ease||

there is a gap between primarchs but yeah theyre still stronger than everyone else

THOUGH though... Im sure || valdor for example can solo alpharious||

[royal egret]

Guilliman never killed Omegon, and Vulkan sucker punched Curze with his hammer.

Valdor also was evenly matched with a young Alpharius

It wasn’t conclusive

There really isn’t that much of a gap between primarchs, there’s some and they lose but it varies a lot by circumstances and just luck

[safe plover]

i really dont think any of their victories are actually justified they dont have any feats to support them and in my opinion their armor is mostly writeritis

[royal egret]

Dude you haven’t even read them

[safe plover]

my man

theyre like 30 books in

[royal egret]

I didn’t say they weren’t, I’m saying you’re sharing strong opinions on stuff you haven’t even read

It’s ok to just not know something or wait until you’ve read it

[safe plover]

vulkan however he beat the shit out of cruze despite being tourtured and having just had a battle with another primarch

[safe plover]

just say if you disagree or no

the information is in many sources

[royal egret]

He sucker punched Curze with his hammer when Curze let his guard down

[safe plover]

you dont have to read a book to be informed

[royal egret]

Curze had previously killed him hundreds of times if we wanna bring that up

Curze also fought the Lion and Guilliman at once and was winning, but also lost to the Lion and Sanguinius separately at other times

My point is, circumstances change and it’s not clear cut

[safe plover]

yeah even half crazed and massively weakened he still did it

[royal egret]

Yes because he sucker punched him with a hammer

Like it’s not complex

Curze got distracted and let himself get too close and wasn’t paying attention with his guard down

It wasn’t a fight

It’s like me saying I’m a better fighter than idk, Jon Jones if I club him in the back of the head from behind

I won sure, but it’s not a fight

[safe plover]

was that before or after the fight with corax

when he had the butchers nails in his head

[royal egret]

What?

Angron has the butchers nails

[safe plover]

i dont think you've read the book

[tall phoenix]

[royal egret]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

Then get back

[safe plover]

Vulkan despite being tortured, starved, killed many times pushed to the edge of insanity, briefly subjected to a version of the butchers nails and after killing many space marines unarmed still beat the shit out of not one but two primarchs

that definitely proves that primarchs vary a lot in power

and before anyone says anything dying doesnt reset vulkan he still kept scars from the many times he was killed suggesting that his body does not resatiate itself after revival

resatiate

wait

[royal egret]

Yes and Vulkan gets shit on endlessly and only does well because he can come back

[safe plover]

resatiate isnt a word

[royal egret]

And no he body does literally come back from being atomized

[safe plover]

but yeah you get the idea

[royal egret]

Resuscitate

Regenerate whatever

I’ve read the book, the point of the passage is Curze isn’t paying attention and he gets sucker punched

That’s it

They’re not fighting

Literally any primarch could have done that

Vulkan has impressive things he does later, that is not one of them

It’s a fun scene, its not indicative of Vulkans ability

[safe plover]

🚬 the twins are still shit and have zero combat ability or strength aside from the hard-on dan has for them because they allow him to write the bullshit he so desperately craves to write

[royal egret]

Bro is a tenth of the way in and thinks he knows the entire series

[safe plover]

🙄

[royal egret]

40k fans and talking authoritatively and confidently about stuff they’ve never read, name a more iconic duo

[safe plover]

i could be 100% of the way in and it still wont matter because i am skipping all alpha legion books

[royal egret]

Idk why you think this helps your argument

[safe plover]

man

[royal egret]

Idc if you wanna skip a legion or books or whatever, but you don’t get to do that and then talk like you know about the subject, pick a lane.

[safe plover]

man

you had no idea what was happening in vulkan lives

[royal egret]

It’s very easy to just not know something and wait until you do before speaking authoritatively on it

[safe plover]

respectfully neither are you

[royal egret]

My brother in Christ, I was the only one talking about Vulkan Lives correctly

You were talking like they had a big fight, when the scene is Curze gets too close and he gets clobbered by a hammer sucker punch, and then Vulkan teleports away

It’s not even close to the most impressive thing Vulkan does during the heresy

I was trying to be nice about it

You listed something any primarch could have done as a reason Vulkan is better

When Vulkan gets used as a hacky sack by the writers for most of the heresy because the Wolverine effect

And he’s stuck with Kyme writing him

[rancid valley]

I am currently reading the Night lord Omnibus. After I finish reading it, I have the Eisenhorn omnibus, Dark Imperium series, Oath of Damnation, Broken Crusade and Leviathan. Which should I start next?

[royal egret]

Depends on what you’re feeling

Eisenhorn is a very solid series in general

Much more low key than Dark Imperium which is much more of a wide scope series

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-fill-his-stocking-with-coal-mods-christmas-lowtiergod-ltg-gif-12645377823045477295

[royal egret]

You are doing yourself a huge disservice for skipping Praetorian of Dorn

But somehow I suspect you would find a way to hate a great book

[unborn merlin]

Oh little tidbit on the Lion vs Curze fight. Murder Batman was winning that fight but gigachad Corswain stabbed him with a sword. Both of them were broken up and the Lion captured Curze later on during the Unremembered Empire arc.

Praetorian of Dorn is such an awesome book.

I prefer it over Legion tbh.

[safe plover]

the government cannot stop me
the mods can not stop me
the EMPEROR CAN NOT STOP ME
i will continue not reading alpha legion books until the end of my days

[unborn merlin]

Your loss. Praetorian of Dorn has some pretty important characters that contribute to the SoT books so you might get a little confused.

It's also a great Imperial Fist and Alpha Legion book to boot.

[safe plover]

i like fists

like

im not saying ill skip all alpha legion books

but just the ones that are only alpha legion

[unborn merlin]

The only book that's strictly Alpha Legion is Legion.

[royal egret]

Yeah

[unborn merlin]

They're essentially just background characters in every other book.

[safe plover]

legion was the worst reading experience in my entire life

[royal egret]

That whole melee is fucking hilarious

[safe plover]

i gave up before chapter 1

[royal egret]

Two dads and their kids clobbering eachother, marines jumping on the primarchs backs

It’s so silly they’re even meeting

[unborn merlin]

The show down between Dorn and Alpha is also in Praetorian of Dorn....so ya know...it's kind of an important book.

[royal egret]

You know how the famous saying goes

You can judge a book by chapter 1

[unborn merlin]

I wish ADB did more DA stories. Savage Weapons is one of my favorite stories from the Heresy and it involves two dudes punching one another while their sons throw playground insults at each other. Good shit.

[royal egret]

DA largely get shafted by the heresy sadly

[unborn merlin]

So true

[royal egret]

Fucking Thorpe or whoever killing off their best character for shock value

In a short

For no reason

And then he does “I wanted to shocked the reader”

Yes Thorpe, you subverted my expectations

I expected you to not waste the best character the DA had going for them before his arc was done

https://tenor.com/view/waltergotme-gif-18867690

[unborn merlin]

I'm not looking forward to Thorpe writing the DA books for the Scouring.

I did like his standalone Luther book tho.

[royal egret]

Yeah…

I hope they don’t reveal who survive with Corswain and Zahariel

Just have it be ambiguous

Whose Cypher

[cerulean peak]

I took the liberty to improve your sentence

[rancid valley]

Thank you brother

[royal egret]

Painfully accurate

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/not-wrong-youre-right-bear-muppets-driving-gif-21164615

[wise yew]

hearing the Votaan book was boring basically almost sealed their fate

[royal egret]

It adds some stuff but yeah they need a better author

[wise yew]

If another author picks them up they need to up their game

[cerulean peak]

It's fitting. Warhammer's litterature truly is grim

That discussion on Alpharius earlier made me realise I should continue my journey through the HH and evetually the SoT

I've finished Fire Warrior and started Iron Hands by Jonathan Green. Idk if that's an alright novel

[royal egret]

It’s ok, very very old hammer

20 years old now which is wild to think

Not sure how canon a lot of it is anymore

[cerulean peak]

Doesn't matter. I'm expecting to read about IH dickery

[royal egret]

It’s been so long since I’ve read it but iirc they’re very different in that book than later

[cerulean peak]

Just look at this man

[royal egret]

It’s a wild time from what I recall though

Iron Father Gdolkin is a great name too

[cerulean peak]

I've only read the prologue before I passes out in bed ||poor astropath||

Tarot reading gone wrong

[grim ravine]

im almost done with false gods gonna go for galaxy in flames next what book should i got for after galaxy in flames

[leaden acorn]

Flight of the eisenstein is good if u wanna stick to HH

Its about one of the death guard guys

After that it gets a bit murky

Personally i enjoyed fulgrim

[royal egret]

Generally I’d say just do the order of release

Which is what jackit suggested, Eisenstein

And then Fulgrim I think

[leaden acorn]

Going by order doesnt hurt for sure

The two after fulgrim, descent of angels and legion were also good iirc

[safe plover]

Reflection Crack'd is ||shit||

i knew they ||retconned the thing with the demon and fulgrim|| but to || do it in such a fucking shit and cheesy way||

i know graham wrote it

but its such a dan thing to write

[leaden acorn]

Yeah i heard about that plot point

Just seemed super hamfisted

Very "it was me barry"

[safe plover]

HAHA ||IT WAS NOT ME FULGRIM(DAEMON) BUT I FULGRIM(FULGRIM) ALL ALONG||

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its been shit for like a decade

also stop making spoilers everyone knows the twist!!!

[safe plover]

never

[safe plover]

you only spoiler books you like

so in a way we all know whats behind the ||__||

[leaden acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-me-barry-gif-27650445

Flash is || ferrus manus ||

[safe plover]

alpharius would have been a better twist

unironically

[leaden acorn]

Batman is graham mcneill

[safe plover]

cmon batman is konrad

god i love the way they make him sound when voice acting him

[leaden acorn]

My adhd cant handle audiobooks but i heard some clip from galaxy in flames i think?

It was actually really good

[safe plover]

you can read but cant listen to audio books?

[leaden acorn]

I just filter out the voices

For some reason

[safe plover]

i could only force myself to read false gods because it was so fucking good

[leaden acorn]

I also listen to music when reading

[safe plover]

other stuff audio book

i made it 4 chapters into horus rising before giving up but thats on Dan not my adhd

i swear to god he just adds a chapter of gibberish every once n a while to keep you on your toes

[leaden acorn]

Super archaic words teeth monster thing

And then my favorite

"I was there when horus killed the emperor"

"Brother mind ur choler"

[safe plover]

chapter 1 of horus rising is prolly the best thing dan ever wrote

looking at Prospero Burns however chapter 3 was the fucking worst written trash i have ever heard

its an entire chapter of || hazey dreams that serve zero purpose other than jorking dan's literary shaft||

like i fucking get it ||he was sharing his dreams with the dreadnaughts|| big fucking whoop

that doesnt need an entire chapter

[leaden acorn]

I think it was thousand sons but other than the ||webway thing|| i just remember the thing where || magnus spends a good section just floating through space ||

On one hand the remembrancer integrating with the wolves was kinda neat but the whole || he was actually a plant the entire time!!|| was a meme

[safe plover]

are you sure that was PB not the short story after it?

[leaden acorn]

Its thousand sons

[safe plover]

oh shit

yeah

ye

i did not remember that in PB i thought it was the short story after it

[leaden acorn]

Yeah theyre supposed to be about each legions perspective

I think my favorite meme is "they're not psykers. They're rune priests"

[grim ravine]

ill stick to HH for now but i dont mind other books that i could try that are not from the HH 🙂

[royal egret]

The pins have a lot of good recommendations

[mellow knot]

We’ve tried our best to suggest a good spread of faction types and whatnot.

[unborn merlin]

It's that time of the year lads.

[drowsy urchin]

already bought 18 titles

[unborn merlin]

Nice

Got 10 for $34.

I'm stopping there because I'd just buy more.

[drowsy urchin]

I might dip in for more still

got the rest of the Gaunt's Ghosts books I didn't have, which were only the first 4

[unborn merlin]

Nice dude.

There were a few standalone novels and some Primarch ones that I wanted to listen to so I'm happy overall.

Got bills to pay otherwise I'd get more 😔

[finite phoenix]

I have finished both HH and The Beast series. Any other multi-book series out there to recommend next?

[royal egret]

Gaunt’s Ghosts and Eisenhorn

Ragnar books are fun too

Ventris books

[drowsy urchin]

Even if it's not 40k, Felix & Gotrek. Honestly such great books, I'm about to start the last one

[wise yew]

i need to finish dragonslayer

[drowsy urchin]

I finished Kinslayer a bit over a week ago and I'm still sad

[valid jay]

What're some underrated 40k audiobooks? I've already read the mainstream reccomendations (gaunts, Cain, night lords books, eisenhorn)

[royal egret]

Pandorax

It’s a….very very wild book

It takes a minute to pick
up but once it does it keeps having a massive climatic fight the entire rest of the book

[drowsy urchin]

Finished Helsreach today, great little Marine romp.

[unborn merlin]

It's a great adventure for the whole family.

[tall phoenix]

Spoilers but Grimaldus doesnt die on Armageddon

[drowsy urchin]

.. or does he?

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/jiggly-puff-pokemon-gif-4248103907855734648

[tall phoenix]

[drowsy urchin]

Any one here familiar with The Dark Coil series? I know there was at least one who was very much a fan

[royal egret]

I haven’t read it all but a little yeah

Waiting for the omnibus they’re doing

[drowsy urchin]

Only two of the books are in audio format, was thinking about getting Reverie or the horror collection that has it, but not sure if I should in case none of the others get a audio release

I am hoping the two omnibuses they're making would get an audio release but not holding my breath for that

the concept seems intriguing but seems not that many people have read it or discussed about it

[unborn merlin]

The people that have read them seem to really enjoy them since Warhammer Horror is almost non-existent.

Haven't read the Dark Coil series unfortunately.

[safe plover]

Listening to angel exterm ||jesus christ i hate fulgrim and fabius bile so much its unreal||

its actually sickening 😭

[severe trail]

Bile my GOAT

[safe plover]

||aaaaaaaaaa it gets worse||

[tall phoenix]

Did you get to the part with Peter and Fulgrim chatting yet

ALSO BILE AND FULGRIM BEING IN THE NOVEL IS NOT A SPOILER

RAAARGH

[safe plover]

in the ||amphitheatre||?

[tall phoenix]

The miniature titan bit

(:

[safe plover]

i dont think so

[tall phoenix]

okay then no spoilers

[royal egret]

Wait until he reads ||Praetorian of Dorn where Rogal Dorn makes an appearance||

[tall phoenix]

AAUGHH-

[safe plover]

the mental hospital can not stop me
the mod(s) can not stop me i will continue spoilering every detail of everything

[tall phoenix]

This motherfucker is off the rails

https://tenor.com/view/paulie-walnuts-sopranos-gif-25168388

no warp-juju will save this predicament

[brittle tapir]

spoiler: fulrgim sucks and has never had any redeeming qualities

it's not even possible to imagine a scenario where fulgrim didnt turn to chaos

[lavish badger]

The books are imho only losely connected and fun on their own. So I wouldn't worry too much about spoiling your experience if not everything makes it to audio.

If you care a lot about a reading order, you can find one here:
https://www.trackofwords.com/2020/10/31/a-travellers-guide-to-the-dark-coil/

Also "Fire Caste" will apparently not be in the omnibus. And available as audio. Imho it makes for a nice starting point into Fehervari's Writing. (Even though quite a few novels play before it. But it's quite self-contained.)

Personally, I started with "Requiem Infernal". And while there are a few links to other stories that happened earlier, it was still a great read. It's still my favourite Fehervari story so far.

[royal egret]

He had plenty of redeeming qualities

He just was also an easier target because of his pursuits

[brittle tapir]

name me one

[royal egret]

He was very adept at diplomacy, cared a lot about funding the arts and being an ambassador for the Imperium, was loved by a lot of his brothers and was a symbol of progress for the Imperium.

He was one of the few primarchs who didn’t conquer their worlds by conquest, he did it through diplomacy and turned it from a chemical hellscape to a pretty nice world. He always thought of his parents who died young and it always tormented him that they died before seeing what Chemos became.

Oh all the primarchs who fell he was the one who shocked everyone the most

He kept perfect busts of his adoptive parents in his room which had them with all their scarring and ugliness.

Of all the primarchs to meet during the GC era he was by far one of the best, he was known to be very charming and loved.

[drowsy urchin]

Thanks, found this site as well and it was quite useful. Didn't think about starting with Fire Caste but might give it a try if you think it's a good place to start

Mid game right now so can't properly answer and ask more at the moment so I might return to you later 😄

[royal egret]

Yeah that’s one thing, they’re good books but it’s not quite a series like that

But it is a good idea to read them in order still

[lavish badger]

It basically plays on an emperor forlorn swamp planet at the end of the universe. Ok, somewhere between Empire and Tau space. There are 2-3 short stories that might reference it or lead up to it. But it's the second story in publishing order, so there aren't many easter eggs yet.

[random marlin]

Hey, I happen to be a big Fehervari fan too and Fire Caste is definitely a good start. Well, that's where I started too anyway, and if you want an "Apocalypse Now meets 40k" book (kind of a reductive way to say it but still not entirely wrong), you should like it. Right after that one, I suggest you read the short story Vanguard which is kind of an epilogue to Fire Caste, with a "nice" twist to it. 😉

[random marlin]

From what I heard, the "Dark Coil: Damnation" omnibus will include Fire Caste, based on this article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/pyfmzax7/terror-and-dread-seep-into-your-ears-in-new-warhammer-horror-audiobook-collections/

[drowsy urchin]

Much appreciated, will very likely get the Fire Caste audiobook soon. I just hope the rest will be in audio format later on as well 😄

[random marlin]

If you don't mind, I'd be interested to hear if the audiobook has been well done or not. I heard that some audio books were not always done in the best way possible (such as one getting another narrator entirely because the first one didn't do a good enough job, it seems), so I hope the audiobook does Fire Caste justice. 🤞

[drowsy urchin]

Will report back 🫡

The preview seems promising at least

[inland steeple]

If anyone is starting out in the warhammer lore and story, what books should you start with?

[tall phoenix]

You can take a look here for some good starters to pick from

[shy lark]

Listening to the first book of the Night Lords trilogy, I forgot how far up their own asses they were

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the attempts to "humanize" them later makes it even funnier

[royal egret]

The End and the Death Part 2

Then go backwards from there

[dusty trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEkoe2IgUzU

@runic pawn @weak aspen @crisp schooner

[lavish badger]

Thanks, that's good to hear. I mixed it up with the Dark Coil Collection.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/BAhcCyrT/black-library-pre-orders-unwind-with-the-dark-coil-collection/

[radiant stump]

Tell me your dumbest canonical facts

[safe plover]

the Emperor ||appeared to vulkan as an old rememberancer to check up on him out of all his fucking sons|| ALSO || Magnus and the emperor used to talk before meeting through the warp but magnus insisted on contacting him via weird shit and fuck everything up||

https://tenor.com/view/troll-face-gif-2181557203237374326

second one is

[radiant stump]

More obscure

More dumb

I demands it

Sly Marbo’s favourite sausage

The circumference of Yarrick’s veiny neck

[royal egret]

Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau

[radiant stump]

Yes tell me his entire backstory

[royal egret]

Iirc he doesn’t have much

He’s a joke character

Also not really canon anymore

I think he was only Rogue Trader era

[radiant stump]

Do I look like I give a flying fulgrim

[royal egret]

I don’t know I can’t see you

[lethal valley]

Is felix actually dead dead, he isn't a storm cast, that guy is french

[wise yew]

well we don't really know it's basically either he's a stormcast or dead

because one the plots of Gotrek in AOS is basically him looking for him

the truest friend he had

[severe trail]

He’s stormcast or long gone. We don’t have an answer yet

[wise yew]

Considering the heroism he has done i wouldn't be surprised if sigmar said you know what fam i got you

[royal egret]

I wouldn’t be shocked if they pull some other way he survived but

Ngl the series suffers heavily without him

Although part of that is King not writing anymore too

[wise yew]

i haven't read it but i definitely say so

he was basically our emotional anchor as humans to see

Gotrek in

Because him being human we get the POV of what it's basically like hanging out with an extremely deranged tornado of violence

he was supposed to be the relatable one we can stick to

[radiant stump]

https://tenor.com/view/very-fast-rat-rat-webcam-funny-cute-gif-20994565

[severe trail]

it also doesn't help that Gotrek got made more annoyed/angry all the time

not sure if thats intentional or not

[wise yew]

You would have expected him to you know mellow out after his adventures with his best friend but

without felix he is not that nice to read

i mean yeah he is a cool guy and definitely an awesome fighter but

[royal egret]

I think more than anything, though it’s just the writer wasn’t quite up to it in my opinion

I think the idea is interesting, but it didn’t feel like he did anything with it

It’s been a minute since I’ve read the book, but I think it also could’ve used a new companion at least

[wise yew]

i think that's supposed to be the dark elf ladies place

Maleneth?

[royal egret]

By the end, he kind of accepts that he’s probably not gonna be able to find Felix again

[severe trail]

yeah

[wise yew]

She's only really sticking to him because of the rune attached to him

[royal egret]

And if he does, there’s no guarantee that Felix is still himself

[wise yew]

I mean if balthas Arum which is totally not gelt can remember about something about reading a book from the realm of death

[royal egret]

That said the dynamic of Felix only half remembering him is also potentially an interesting story I think

[wise yew]

if he was a storm cast and he saw Gotrek

You know basically one of the most memorable things of his old life

i think there is a good chance he will remember a good amount

And it also helps that storm cast can sometimes be motivated to seek their memories

Neave Blacktalon

a good example

And of course the gold fella

[dreamy ledge]

Imagine if he was like, ruination chamber lmao

If he’s old world then if he was reforged he’s gotta be an old ass stormcast

If felix came back and was ruination chamber it could be an interesting dynamic, two veterans one with lighting dementia and the other spiteful against the world-

Wait a minute this is the gay necrons

[wise yew]

that would be something

[tacit lake]

What are some of yalls favourite space marine novels?? Currently reading the carcharadon novels halfway through Outer dark after finishing red tithe. And DAMN the sharks are cool

[dreamy ledge]

The spears of the emperor

One of the best warhammer books ever

[tacit lake]

yeah ive heard a LOT of people recommend spears of the emperor. i actually didnt like reading until a year ago when i read red tithe, now got a collection going 40k novels are too good XD

[safe plover]

man what the hell

why is there || an entire section about the battle of verdun|| in || angel exterminatus||

am i really suppose to believe that the effect of one human battle is enough to ||empower slaneesh as much as trillions of eldar souls and millions of years of acts i am not allowed to mention here||

[tacit lake]

isnt angel exterminatus a really good peter turbo book?

[tall phoenix]

Yeah it is

Clad is just being gutpunched by writing 😔

[safe plover]

its really good

that section was out of nowhere though

[tall phoenix]

yeah uh

[safe plover]

i feel bad for peter poor guy

[tall phoenix]

Oll was also in the Gulf War and WW2

[safe plover]

magnus and peter deserve a second chance

[tall phoenix]

so you havent seen shit yet

[safe plover]

i swear to god if more recent books mention covid and nurgle

[drowsy urchin]

imagine that

latest 40k book was just announced, takes place on a hive world called Covidius which is under a full fledged Nurgle invasion

[tall phoenix]

Lmao wait

is this a joke or-

OH WAIT I JUST GOT IT

😭

[drowsy urchin]

[tall phoenix]

Well at least its not "pox"

[valid jay]

10 minutes into lords of silence and I'm already loving it

A plague marine is questioning how his lungs filling with fluid counts as a blessing before realizing he's questioning a chaos gods gift, he then asks the nurgling on his arm for forgiveness, to which the nurgling sharts on his armor

And the plague marine responds "that counts as forgiveness"

[tall phoenix]

A part in it made me gag where he wakes up and notes he has heavy crusts over his eyes and a maggot stuck in his throat

💀

[wise yew]

I both hate and love it when a writer is good at explaining things like that hate it because sometimes they can describe things with too much detail and love it because well it's too much detail

[tall phoenix]

It also makes me envious of good writing

[wise yew]

Same

[safe plover]

i am pleased to announce that our boy||sharrowkyn|| has finally he killed that asshole ||lucius||

[round pebble]

managed to snag that special edition of the infinite and divine!

[safe plover]

aaaaaaaaa||HE LIVES LUCIUS LIVES||

[drowsy urchin]

I'm surprised you didn't know that

[wise yew]

Lucius's entire shtick is literally surviving

Because of Bs

[severe trail]

Lucius gaming

[safe plover]

im finishing the book rn

[drowsy urchin]

but you know

Lucius

uhh

||he is active in 40k||

[safe plover]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

DELET THIS RN

[drowsy urchin]

sorry that you had to learn it this way

most people know that before going into Horus Heresy

[safe plover]

WHY HIM????

WHY HIMMMMMM

[drowsy urchin]

he's the Chosen of Slaanesh (or Bile, depending on the mood)

[safe plover]

i cant wait until 2847 years pass and the emperor comes back and finally kills all the chaos gods

[royal egret]

This is what happens when you don’t know the 40k stuff first

That’s what you get, suffer

Although I’ll say there’s probably some benefit to now knowing who these guys are and who lives and dies for sure

[sour socket]

I loved that part of the book lmao

[tall phoenix]

Starting off your book with poop-humor 😭

[brittle tapir]

toilet joke

in the imperium, everybody shits, nobody flushes

find out more when the book releases next month

[tall phoenix]

[safe plover]

just 20 more irl years

well shurely get the end of all the plot lines we care about

[frigid osprey]

🗣️ new Lucius model in 2025 woop!!!!!!!!!!!

(speaking of lucius)

[severe trail]

Yep

[royal egret]

Deathwatch stuff seems pretty dope

Much more and better than I was expecting ngl

[waxen cliff]

Dont know if it counts, but I went through the Warhammer Horror story Perditions Flame. That was chilling, and also makes the feats we accomplish in Darktide feel more unreal lol (Poxwalkers are insane)

[royal egret]

Similar to Vermintide the quantifies we fight are perhaps a lot more game mechanic than reality

Especially on maelstrom and what not

[waxen cliff]

I am a staunch believer the God Emperor simply casts his light upon us unlikely few lol

[tall phoenix]

Its a case of the author just making it more dramatic for the sake of horror mostly.

also the tone of action/horror just being treated differently in both materials

[waxen cliff]

Tbf I think if we were facing a Poxwalker in person we wouldn’t fair well whatsoever

[tall phoenix]

Its 40k and inconsistency is the name of the game

we also get regularly "cleansed" and purified before boarding the ship

theres a lot of narrative excuses told throughout banter/vox-stuff

[waxen cliff]

It’s not something that bothers me all that much, just makes you realize just how horrifying it all really is

[tall phoenix]

Well yeah have you looked at how awfully morbidly detailed the poxwalker models are in this 💀

[waxen cliff]

I have, but after you shoot enough of ‘em in the blur of battle they stop bein scary…
Now when your in Ventilation Purge or Blackout, it will always be scary

It’s why they are my favorite gamemodes lol

[tall phoenix]

Yeah thats the effect with most "monsters" in media

you are not under any real threat unless you are like actually there lol

its how for example in SM2 titus and co go through like entire hordes of nids but if this was lore-accurate they'd prob spend 10m after every encounter digging out bullet-beetles and parasites out of their armor

(or get iced by Warriors rip)

[unborn merlin]

Warriors sometimes have the ability to slice through power armor and other times don't. SM2 def plays more into the power fantasy aspect and is less lore accurate as a result.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah extremely so in some cases

the most awful one for the sake of gameplay has to be every Nid dropping dead when you kill a synapse creature, that is just awful

also like direct misinformation

[unborn merlin]

LMAO

[tall phoenix]

I had SO MANY people ask "is that how it actually happens"

and im like NO

[unborn merlin]

I really love the Calgar scene tbh.

It's so stupid you have to appreciate the corniness.

[tall phoenix]

I remember my friend saying something like

"No matter how epic that scene was I still think Calgar is a goofy diapersuit wearing mfer, but props for trying"

[unborn merlin]

[severe trail]

Titus is stronger then Tyberos because Tyberos struggled to fight 3 nid warriors at once

[tall phoenix]

[severe trail]

jokes aside that book is prolly one of my favorite depiction of how dangerous nid warriors are lol

like they're smart, they're fucking strong

and there's like a bunch of them lol

[tall phoenix]

yeah Warriors are like mini-Marines strenght-wise lol

they just largely lack the arsenal in comparison

[severe trail]

they also aren't as durable but like again

there's a bunch of them

[tall phoenix]

yeah pretty much, they are super-sergeants

[safe plover]

emperor did lorgar baaaaad

||hey lorgar i know you've been making people worship me for 200 years but FUCK THIS PLANET AND FUCK YOU NOW :33 peace :33333|| also ||sit the fuck down||

in contrast though ||lorgar is a bit of a dick to custodes who primarchs arent allowed to order around and malcador whos pretty much his uncle||

i dub the book ||first heretic|| as ||very good||

[drowsy urchin]

as you should

[severe trail]

Its good

[tall phoenix]

one of the worst parts of 30k

and another great example of "I gotta do this so you go traitor" lol

fucking golden dumbass

[safe plover]

theyre really not trying to hide the 60 year plotline of i was gonna do this all along

also im alpharious

[tall phoenix]

30k fans jerking every page of why the emperor did this being explained in some random ass book when its just dumb writing

https://tenor.com/view/slander-meme-memes-funny-whiteboard-gif-22147047

[safe plover]

me ^

[tall phoenix]

The Heresy still has some good books/stories but man lol

[safe plover]

its ok just 20 more irl years 6+2 more loyal primarchs well finally have the emperor wake up and reassemble his soul and fight chaos gods as a god

trust the plan word bearer fans we had to do it this way 😉

[tall phoenix]

Wake me up when its over

https://tenor.com/view/master-chief-halo-video-game-sit-down-gif-17137310

[safe plover]

also i cant get over how every fucking issue prior to a certain point could have been solved by "lets go to terra and have the emperor look at it"

"horus dying?" take him to dada

magnus' legion dying? take him to terra

[royal egret]

Horus was going to die before they got there

[tall phoenix]

Its just plot convenience

[safe plover]

got an alien voice in your head? go to terra

[royal egret]

He couldn’t fix the Tsons

[tall phoenix]

dont think about it too much

[royal egret]

Granted they picked the wrong options but

[safe plover]

he didnt want to fix anyone

[royal egret]

They didn’t have that kinda time

[tall phoenix]

I do love how like

they explained that later

[royal egret]

The Tsons were degenerating before Magnus, he couldn’t stop it

[tall phoenix]

by saying the Emperor has a brand new legion to gift to Magnus if he joins the Good Side

which is about as stupid

but thats HH for you lol

[royal egret]

Same as the EC

Magnus cut a bad deal to save them

They were always kinda fucked

[tall phoenix]

Well yeah

they gotta go traitor

or no 40k

[royal egret]

EC needed Fulgrim because their entire geneseed line was fucked

[safe plover]

if he could make stable legions he could fix magnus' kids i think the simplist solution is that he wanted them to fall and kil him ||lazy writing||

[royal egret]

Their issue wasn’t their geneseed

Well sorta but not physically

It was the grip the warp had on them and Tzeentch

And no he couldn’t fix a lot of the legions issues

He didn’t do everything and a lot of it was rushed

[tall phoenix]

The Emperor can basically do anything the plot allows him to since his psychic powers are essentially Bullshit Magic Go™️.

He could easily save Angron from his nails for example since hes literally a super-biomancer but the excuse is "oh no its a DAOT tech its wired into his braaain"

[safe plover]

ehhhhhhh

[tall phoenix]

At the end of the day 40k has to happen

[royal egret]

And a lot of the primary people involved died

[tall phoenix]

all these excuses are flimsy

i respect the writers trying to tape up the damage

but like, it just doesnt work lol

[safe plover]

im just supposed to believe he did nothing for most of his time on earth

just suddenly started from zero

[royal egret]

No

[tall phoenix]

Uhhh mostly

[royal egret]

If you read the story leading up he was preparing

[tall phoenix]

He really did just sit around

[safe plover]

dont get me started on the nails

[royal egret]

But Unification took like 200 years and he started with nothing

[tall phoenix]

My favorite other 30k thing is people explaining why he fucked Angron over when it also makes no sense lol "removed from his humanity ahh"

[safe plover]

the emperor is litearlly "if he wanted to he could ladies 💅 "

[royal egret]

He was rushing, but he was working with what he had, he started way behind the other warlords

[tall phoenix]

Yeah he was playing CSGO

[safe plover]

he blinded half of konrad's city for no reason

[tall phoenix]

I mean

that was funny

so ill let it pass

skill issue on their part

also it was mostly the people on the landing pad

[safe plover]

idk i think the emperor just hates his ugly sons

[tall phoenix]

To be fair

hating children is based

so idk about that one

[safe plover]

fucked up teeth? fuck you im blinding your city
weird hair? fuck you im fucking up your conquest

ONE EYE? yeah im nuking your planet

[safe plover]

omg

[safe plover]

im changing this to ||VERY good||

||cyrene reminded argel tal of his mother how she asked too many questions when she was scared|| which managed to allow him to ||resist possession longer||

this is how you foreshadow dan abnett could NEVA

[tall phoenix]

WE TOLD YOU SO

GETOU-

[safe plover]

it was so cute 🥹

[unborn merlin]

The First Heretic is probably my favorite HH novel. Glad you're enjoying it.

[safe plover]

its really good but so far my favorites are still books 2-3

[unborn merlin]

Make sure to read Know No Fear. It's a good companion piece to the First Heretic.

[safe plover]

🚬 eventually

itll take a while tho

[unborn merlin]

I believe in you

[mellow knot]

OK, new novel pitch goes to the people who need to see it tomorrow so I’ve done all I can do. Hooray?

[royal egret]

Is it an Iron Hand book?

[severe trail]

Good luck

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/good-wishes-gif-7872769758915468381

[wise yew]

may Gork and Mork Grant you luck

[mellow knot]

It is not.

[royal egret]

Well nobody’s perfect

Related

[random marlin]

Best of luck! 🤞

[royal egret]

Hopefully it’ll get through

[wide mica]

Praying for Valkia in AoS right now

[mellow knot]

I mean, that’d be nice.

[crude quiver]

Hello fellow book lovers. Anyone have any good WH recommendations? I've read HH, SoT, and several Omnibuses. Any of the new books any good?

[orchid herald]

any particular faction?

[weak python]

I've heard really good things about Da Big Dakka but that's focused on Xenos if that's a deal breaker

[crude quiver]

I'm happy to read anything!

[orchid herald]

i can recommand Lukas by josh Reynolds, Last Chances from Gav throp (1 Omnibus 1 books), Mina Lesk novels are good, but some people find it a boring reading, if you into Guants' ghost you got that +Ironsnakes, Volopne Glory+ Sabbat War Crusade Anothology, Cain's omni-bus X3 Hero of the imperium, saviour of Imperium, Defender of the imperium all 3 good and Funny like that of Blackadder or Flash Gordan,

standalone novels
Krieg by steve Loyd
Straken by Toby Frost
KingsMaker by Robert Rath
creed By jude Ried
Emperor's Gift's Aaron Dembski-Bowden
Pandorax C.Z.Dunn
HonourBound- Rachel Harrison
karskin Edoardo Albert
Luther By Grav thorp,

i would recommand these novels off the top of my head

[crude quiver]

Ooh thank you very much!

[runic orbit]

are there any blood angel books that don't require a ton of background knowledge?

[severe trail]

Dante

[runic orbit]

Thank you

[royal egret]

Yeah Dante then Devastation of Baal

It explains stuff well

[mellow knot]

Also, check the recs in the pins 🙂

[unborn merlin]

People apparently really like Hawk Boy's primarch novel as well.

[safe plover]

battle for the abyss is ||nice||

i like it a lot more than most of the short stories

it was really nice seeing loyalist ||thousand sons in action|| its nice seeing different legions in action together first hand on a small scale rather than big battles

i dub thee ||comfy||

[unborn merlin]

Most people really don't like that one.

(Me I don't like that one)

[safe plover]

its comfy

nothing earth shattering or good enough to keep you up at night reading

but its comfy

[tall phoenix]

Its very bad

[safe plover]

im still at chapter 15

well see if it gets bad bad

but right now its listen-to-able

[cerulean peak]

he doesn't know

[cerulean peak]

Is has your favorite trope

[tall phoenix]

OH LMAO

[tall phoenix]

😔

[runic orbit]

Why don’t ppl like battle for the abyss?

[cerulean peak]

The plot and the end twist?

[safe plover]

😨

no one say anything ill be done by like tomorrow or day after

[runic orbit]

I haven’t read it, I’m just curious

[cerulean peak]

Honestly, nothing stops someone from enjoying a book. I try not to rely too much on online reviews since most of them are biaised. That said, there are a few infamous warhammer books for various reasons and BftA seems to be in that category

[tall phoenix]

Out of most books in HH that have nothing to do with the narrative while still being semi-decent; Abyss just has nothing to do with absolutely anything and the entire plot essentially is also goes nowhere.

Id just suggest looking up some other reviews online because its one of the most universally disliked/Eh'd 30k books lol

[runic orbit]

Gotcha

[tall phoenix]

Yeah like i think the plot is fun?

But by the end you kind of feel like you wasted your time a bit

[cerulean peak]

I haven't read battle for the abyss yet, I still need to start Fulgrim. Every time i'm about to resume my HH progression, I go read something else. ||one day i'll get to the siege of terra|| ||maybe||

[tall phoenix]

Siege of Terra is a doozy

[cerulean peak]

It's a rite of passage

||praise be Abnett||

[tall phoenix]

I think the only crucial ones to read are maybe one or two of the beginning books and the last 3 while doing skim-pages

I cannot begin to tell how much of a grognard 30k fans are regarding Siege, saying shit like you gotta read EVERY single one lol

Like no, you dont

[safe plover]

i am fueming about the retcon(s) in the battle between horus and the emperor

the original story was so much cooler

[cerulean peak]

Idk what happens

[tall phoenix]

Honestly thats the thing

there isnt much that got changed lol

[cerulean peak]

Ive managed to avoid spoilers

[tall phoenix]

because we already barely had anything

[cerulean peak]

Somehow

[tall phoenix]

I mean there isnt any spoilers

they just fight but its bigger lol

it gets very One Punch Man

[safe plover]

||imagine one loan mortal guardsman standing between the two gods||

TOO BAD

[cerulean peak]

Oh boy

[tall phoenix]

Yeah that was always a thing

[safe plover]

||never happened||

[tall phoenix]

and he still does that

it did tho

theres literal art of it in the book

[safe plover]

hes ||a prepetual tho now||

[tall phoenix]

I mean so?

We dont know if he lived

[safe plover]

fine

[tall phoenix]

Its the act that matters.

[safe plover]

ill just buy the book and cross out the parts i hate

[tall phoenix]

BASED

🤝

[safe plover]

also i think i finally found a way around dan abnett

i just have to learn a second language and buy the books in that language

its THAT easy

[tall phoenix]

aw hell no

bro is maxxing out the Abnett hate

gotta respect the hustle

[safe plover]

pfff you are too weak

[cerulean peak]

The thing is people want every scrap of lore expanded upon. Leaving things open to interpretation/imagination is a good thing

[safe plover]

I will hatemaxx

[safe plover]

alpharious i can see your massive sabatons peaking under the drapes...

[tall phoenix]

This is one of the reasons why I hate the final 3 Siege books

Sanguinius takes 3 fucking books to reach Horus

Gets his ass kicked

And we dont even see the Emperor get placed on the throne

Oh yeah because Abnett has to wank and waste time exploring characters nobody gives a shit about

[safe plover]

his battle with one of the daemon prices is cool tho

[tall phoenix]

which one

theres like 10000 daemon princes in the Siege

[safe plover]

angron i think

[tall phoenix]

Oh yeah thats neat

but thats not in an Abnett book lol

[safe plover]

but john gramaticus....

[tall phoenix]

AAAAA-

[safe plover]

you NEED to know what hes doing with ropes n shit

[tall phoenix]

dude

[safe plover]

YOU MUST KNOW

[tall phoenix]

that thread shit drove me insane

AND THEN HE LIKE-

GOES BACK IN TIME???

OR IS STUCK IN A LOOP?

[safe plover]

hes currently fucking around

hes prolly just in a cave somewhere with vulkan as they both eat cheetos and play video games

[tall phoenix]

Yeah what got me fed up with the final books at its core was all the Warp Shenanigasns WOoOoO™️

fuck off

[cerulean peak]

When do they introduce the fabled Grammaticus?

I can't wait to get to him 🙃

[unborn merlin]

John Grammaticus trilogy when?

[shy lark]

For all of their faults, I did kind of like TEATD. They were never going to be great books with the mess the Horus Heresy books became, but oh well

[tall phoenix]

Its good but theres SO MUCH fat

Once you read the End-Note for it at the final 3rd book and how Abnett said his dumbass editor told him to "write as much you want" it all clicked for me

[shy lark]

Yeah there's that problem, it's too long on unnecessary details and too short on important things imho

I gave no shits about Ahriman popping out of nowhere to wax philosophical for a bit just to waste pages

[tall phoenix]

^^^^

Also like i said above

the novel is so tired/ran out of material we literally do not even see the Emperor being put on the throne or any other important details

like what the fuck happened to Oll

why the fuck is Fo just swapping bodies, why does this matter

Abnett said he tried to close off every gap but he just instead placed his dumbass OCs in everything

[unborn merlin]

Honestly only finished the SoT books because I went the audiobook route.

[cerulean peak]

That's for the scouring series

[unborn merlin]

Keeble carries the material pretty well. Even the stupid parts.

https://tenor.com/view/pot-of-greed-gif-24910126

[cerulean peak]

With HH flashbacks of course

[shy lark]

The Nassir Amit parts were unironically goated though, I'll stand by it

But the listening to the audiobooks while commuting to and home from work no doubt helped a bunch

[unborn merlin]

100%

[royal egret]

There has never been a lone guardsmen standing between the Emperor and Horus as the community used to wank about and whine about