40k-book-club

[tall phoenix]

which is just.... no

Also yes they are

theres a reason the lifespan on that warzone is 15 hours lol

[hybrid turtle]

that sucks

[tall phoenix]

Yeah but like

its a rulebook

nobody largely reads those

[hybrid turtle]

true true

[tall phoenix]

Codexes usually get to have more focus

but since this is like an Edition book its w/e

[wise yew]

no a meme becoming real !?

thank goodness it's not gonna happen to orks

in the future anytime

[cerulean peak]

I guess i'll have to read my rule book to check that source

[wise yew]

i'm being sarcastic it's becoming closer and closer to that every single day

[tall phoenix]

Yeah people were making a "aw god" deal about it

it was either 9th or 10th i swear because i saw a screenshot of the exact page.

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/12o2qi0/guardsmen_do_have_a_life_expectancy_of_fifteen/

AW NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ALL THESE LISTED SOURCES

[cerulean peak]

I was just wondering if people took the passage in the book out of context for drama or if it was actually right

[tall phoenix]

Yeah i forgot about these sources, its repeated but like... this guy saying "several times" is a bit lol

becayse we got about as much evidence where their expency isnt 15 hours

[brittle tapir]

do they fight for 15 hours straight then die from exhaustion or do they take a nap and die midway through

[wise yew]

Warhammer "Fans" when lore ( they got it wrong )

[cerulean peak]

And to be fair, in the story it's a bunch of recruits getting sent to the wrong battlefield

They were supposed to get an assignment to their level of combat experience

[brittle tapir]

or is this one of those averaged statistics where most people die 3 hours in but taking into account the veterans increases it to 15 hours

[hybrid turtle]

all the famous military campaigns in the lore where the whole army is wiped out in one day

[brittle tapir]

15 hours is a very weirdly specific amount of time

[tall phoenix]

I assume take a nap and die like most of us IRL after work

🛌

[wise yew]

I mean hey 15 hours waiting for a green skin charge to flatten everything in front of you is a generous number

[brittle tapir]

guard life expectancy is horrific but looking for a specific amount of lifetime for the average guardsman is pretty dumb lore nerd shit

[cerulean peak]

I tend to take astra militarum facts with a grain of salt because 80% of the time they're wrong

Also numbers in 40k are always derpy

[brittle tapir]

it's also not taking into account the different fighting styles of regiments

[cerulean peak]

Kriegers charging out of their secured trenches with shovels 🤡

I have yet to read that

[royal egret]

Fortunately I have a trap card.

“Imagine paying attention to any numbers GW gives you”

vine boom

[brittle tapir]

the way i look at it is the imperium wouldn't be spending so much time and resources to equip and train regiments if most guardsmen were expected to immediately die on arrival

there's a lot of guard vs rebels battles where the guard curb stomps the shit out of the enemy but we dont hear about it because it isn't interesting

[remote glacier]

Honestly I always thought the 15 hours was for like

Extreme battles

Like if they're up against a Tyranid Swarm

I can genuinely believe that

Or Necrons

But up against like

Regular chaos cultists probably not

Honestly it's like going against fucking

Insurgents

Except those Insurgents also have actual daemon magic

[shy lark]

The 15 hours thing was for new arrivals on one battlefield. I'd find my copy of 15 Hours but I'm lazy

[forest spruce]

That number only appears in one book and everybody just runs with it not realizing it's only one instance

[full star]

I've seen some ppl get tilted over the '15 hours' "fact" lmao

Speaking of which, is there any Warhammer meme/lore misconception that like, just makes yall facepalm

Mine is the guilliman/yvraine are a couple thing

I know its a meme and a joke, but in the rare case that a person takes it seriosuly i actually facepalm

[tall phoenix]

Its very much gotten to the point where people want it to be "canon" lol

[full star]

yeahhh but have you SEEN the books

[tall phoenix]

Its also such a demeaning meme that also reduces yvraine to be the wife of a primarch because these people think with their cocks more than their brains.

[full star]

i think it was avenging son or another of the 'guilliman back baby' books

They're actually 1 step away from killing each other

[full star]

Agreed

Elf fetishcists, etc etc

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its just slop.

shame its so popular, actual cancer lol

[full star]

Besides Yvraine's husband is the Visarch🤣

[tall phoenix]

LOL not wrong

I think another one I also hate is the Alpha Legion being loyalists but that has the positive aspect of how if you read the books you at least know the playerbase is just coping

[drowsy urchin]

I despise this 'meme'

probably the most

[full star]

People just forget about the poor Visarch, he's just trying his best while Yvraine goes and gets herself almost killed

[drowsy urchin]

it's literally just hurr hurr they do the sex because man and woman interacted

[tall phoenix]

The visarch's entire purpose is to be cut open/sliced for kitbashing parts 😂

[full star]

Its somehow worst when people were shipping bakugo and uraraka, back when MHA was good lmao

[drowsy urchin]

These names mean nothing to me but I'll take your word for it

[full star]

(Media shows 2 characters literally trying to kill each other)
Fandom: "OMGGG look at the sexual tension❤️ "

[drowsy urchin]

[tall phoenix]

I get that shipping when theres like some actual substance.

Gman and Yvraine have like 2 interactions in the entire canon lol

[full star]

Yvraine has more friendly interactions with cawl ffs

[drowsy urchin]

So does Guilliman too I recon

And Cawl cloned Guilliman in a sense

[full star]

Anyways with GW having the aeldari refresh soon, I expect a book featuring the Pheonix Lords assembling for something soon

Doesnt even need to be something serious like putting the hurt on Slaanesh

Just give me a book where the Pheonix lords comes together for coffee or something, idk, just give them anything pls GW

[drowsy urchin]

they'll go on an adventure to find a missing phoenix lord

(they fail and one of them dies probably)

[tall phoenix]

^

We gotta follow the mcguffin rule

aka "gets destroyed at end of book"

[full star]

Wellllll who knows

Even angron got a win when world eaters came out

Blew up the Astronomicon Jr

Oh yeah that reminds me the other thing that grinds my gears, but only slightly

People who say that all Angron did recently was come back, go to meet the Lion, and then die

This is just becasue I actually play World eaters but like, 1) angron blew up essentially a mini-astronomicon and caused 28 days later to happen over an entire sector of the imperium, even amongst sisters and Space marines, and 2) he soloed, and successfully destroyed like, an entire dark angels stronghold before he met the lion

and then lion did have backup

Anyways, my money is on the Pheonix lords finally getting a W, but probably in a low stakes way that doesnt affect much

[drowsy urchin]

I found this image I've saved .. from two and a half years ago

[leaden acorn]

Kharn is a good guy

[wise yew]

Orks

just

take a guess which one

[full star]

The stupid fkin poorhammer podcast one

[wise yew]

one of them but there are more

[full star]

Off the top of my head thats the only one that makes me facepalm

ork cheerleaders in bloodbowl? but thats more of a funny thing

[wise yew]

the reality bending and purple paint is actual lore are one

[cerulean peak]

Sometimes it's after 3 books 🙂 ||i'm looking at you Word Bearers series||

Or the characters and mcguffin get shelved and are never seen again

[leaden acorn]

Pech standing forever underneath the imperial palace

[frigid osprey]

the best way to get into 40k is to read 60 books from a different setting

[sour socket]

I'm about a third into Battle for the Abyss, and yeah, it's boring
Thinking of taking a break from it and picking up Double Eagle

[runic root]

I want a short story where a lone imperial Citizen stumbles upon his dust laden armor, mistaking it for a statue, only for it to karking move and scare the crap out of the normal dude lol

[leaden acorn]

and then the mine explodes

the greatest write off alpha legion fans have ever seen

[runic root]

They honestly deserve it. "I am alpharius" is on the same level of intellectuall bankruptcy as "i cant believe that doakes was the bay harbour butcher after all"-memes.... Absolutely shameful

[leaden acorn]

LOL

fucking doakes

[runic root]

Mechanicum is better afterwards.

[leaden acorn]

I might be misremembering but i thought i saw some checklist about which HH books are skippable

[runic root]

My ocd wont let me skip any

[tall phoenix]

The best part of the Alpha Legion memes is its literally NOTHING but cope from people who cant even read books.

"Oh no see they made this planet vomit posionous snakes to help the Imperium and help it fall to chaos as a long-term scheme-"

Bruh take your pills

[leaden acorn]

the cabal was the biggest nothing burger ever

[tall phoenix]

the cabal is just classic abnett

setting up some semi-neat idea that goes nowhere

fucking hackfraud

[runic root]

The entire legion is the roided up embodiment of that autistic kid in recess saying "nu uh, my trap card kills your monster becauwsey mooom said so" while playing Yu-Gi-Oh lol

[tall phoenix]

GENUINELY lol

[sour socket]

I searched it now and people have done that lol
I wanted to read up a bit on word bearers in the Heresy, so I figured I'm gonna go with their books in the order shown in the timeline chart

I guess it'd be good to take a break from the Heresy and Space Marine novels in general, I've read a bit too many of those recently lol

[drowsy urchin]

it feels more so like something Abnett wanted to do but GW pushed back until it died down

[tall phoenix]

I think that was Arbitrator Ian's stuff

[tall phoenix]

Its iffy because it was either that or Abnett just not committing

because Abnett VERY MUCH has a lot of directorial power

95% of the time he can basically do what he wants

[drowsy urchin]

yet he has talked a lot about things he wanted to do but wasn't allowed to

[tall phoenix]

yeah but also did a lot of things he did do

which were pretty gay

[drowsy urchin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tall phoenix]

you fucking-

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/fatality-ripping-out-throat-rage-shut-up-dont-say-that-gif-17977727587118860652

[leaden acorn]

i took a break from HH after prospero burns and it was refreshing reading ciaphas cain after enduring like 6 books about space marines saying "Calm your choler, brother"

[tall phoenix]

Yeah thats HH for you

Good ideas mixed in a soup of slop/gruel

[runic root]

There can never be enough bolterporn

[tall phoenix]

Soon enough all your family members will be replaced with space marines

even your pets

[sour socket]

Thank God I don't have a chihuahua, it'd probably turn out to be a world eater lol

[runic root]

That or a nightlord

Dachshound would probably turn into a very loud imperial fist

And a Husky into a drunk spacewolf

[runic root]

This is this kind of accurate statement that hurts

[tall phoenix]

Its the reason I pass Arbitrator Ian's HH series review around to people that wanna start on it.

He very much blatantly and honestly (in a much nicer way) explains how half the series is very much just boring padding.

a ton of 3 or 2 out of 5's

[runic root]

Dont get me wrong, being a glutton for any 40k content, i'll read the entire thing, all 80+ books or whatever the kark the number is, but i'll probably only remember/cherish the few good ones. So far, thats been horus rising, false gods, Galaxy in flames and flight of the Eisenstein for me

[tall phoenix]

Same here yeah

after wrapping up the End and the Shit im entirely done with HH

Not touching any of the Scouring books that are gonna come out in droves soon

[severe trail]

They said they aren't doing a scouring series(thank fuck)

[brittle tapir]

because they can't piece together the absolute shit fest that is the scouring era lore

[tall phoenix]

wait WHAT

WHEN, WHERE

GIMME

[severe trail]

from an interview

like

3 years ago

[tall phoenix]

...

lmao nah

[severe trail]

so idfk if it still applies

lol

[tall phoenix]

Yeah it wont

remember how HH started

"Just 5 books."

they CANNOT resist it.

[severe trail]

we will see lol

I do remember a reason they said there wouldn't be a scouring thing

is because BL writers are burnt out

on marines and heresy adjacent stuff

[tall phoenix]

Yeah like no offense

the last thing GW gives a shit about is writers being burnt out

they are prob gonna hold off and cash in on it later

its absolutely impossible for them to skip the Scouring, I do not believe it

[brittle tapir]

arent all the writers like senile now

it's been 20 fucking years

[severe trail]

No

[tall phoenix]

Sadly not yet

[cerulean peak]

I've finished both Phil Kelly's Shadowsun and Mike Brook's Huron Blackheart books. Both were fine. I expected more from Brook's one though... Huron is a nice character but nothing much happens in the book. We're just in his thoughts half the time. The mechanicum side character was nice.

As for shadowsun I just enjoyed reading about Tau getting bullied and learning some more about auxliaries

I'll read Fire Warrior novelization next for some more Tau action

[mellow knot]

Pretty much.

[sour socket]

Sometimes when I read a book that isn't good I forget how nice it feels to read something better

Just finished "Double Eagle" and very much enjoyed it, now I'm probably starting Fifteen Hours

[tall phoenix]

Yeah that was me this week with another 40k story too, its very bad when you read an obviously stinky book

reading a good one feels like maximum therapy

[sour socket]

Yeah it does

It's shocking how big of a difference you feel

[weak python]

I need to finally commit to finishing Renegades: Harrowmaster

Really enjoyed how at least in that region it established the Alpha Legion as "yeah we know the primarchs and Heresy era guys had some plan, but they either died or went MIA so we don't know what it was"

[tall phoenix]

they are literally me

except replace primarchial plans with school projects

[cerulean peak]

So... the alpha legion don't know what they're doing and they're pretending to be in control?

[tall phoenix]

Thats just that warband

most of the Alphas are very much fully in league with chaos lol

[remote glacier]

They also arguably have zero idea on what they're doing

But at least they have a purpose

It's just that Chaos isn't exactly consistent

[tall phoenix]

They do. Most just wanna destroy the Imperium.

[remote glacier]

Classic CSM moment

But yeah I'm arguing more about the usual "Trying to use Chaos as a tool will just make you the tool"

I think the Alpha Legion are generally more towards "We are totally independent trust me"

"Don't mind the slave screaming while we carve sigils on him"

[wicked tree]

Listening to ’Warboss’ rn and having the voice actor getting confused at what chapter they were up to and counting was a funny touch

[wicked tree]

Ngl a bunch of Nobs under the command of an Ork Boss who calls himself ‘The General’ wanting the rank of Lieutenant over Major or Captain because they think it’s spelt Lootenant is hilarious

[tall phoenix]

not too far from real life tbh

[wicked tree]

True

[sour socket]

Finished Fifteen Hours
It was pretty good

Now gonna be reading Outgunned

[frail plaza]

Just got Night Lords omnibus daaaaamn its soooo good

i want skin cape now

[tall phoenix]

another one joins the ranks

[brittle tapir]

some people prefer not reading the bad books

[tall phoenix]

woooow rude

[frail plaza]

some people prefer not to listen to sad worthless yapping

[safe plover]

this dude will not stop saying FUGG

i think his psyker powers allow him to use the word fuck in 31k

thats it thats what the aliens did to john they made him say fuck

[tall phoenix]

Why do you think his third eye has been opened

✋

[severe trail]

Why isn’t everyone around him dying then smh

[tall phoenix]

but also "fugged" is one of the most braindead censored-for-fuck words they could use i hate it

[safe plover]

Yeah you can discribe sex/gore but cant say fuck?

[tall phoenix]

Its a literature censorship thing in the UK, the f-bomb is not largely allowed.

its mostly so you can distribute it to younger audiences

which is like the main moneymaker for warhammer

also describes someone getting disemboweled

[safe plover]

shoulda just made it karking like eveywhere else

[tall phoenix]

its great once you realise just how much the vets in Darktide curse when "kark" literally means "fuck"

[drowsy urchin]

never realised it was fugged and not fucked, spoken it sounds just the same and I fancied it being a thing Grammaticus picked up younger and it stuck with him

[safe plover]

yeah also going back to books after playing dt you realize how much warhammer lingo really is

[safe plover]

its unironically his psyker ability

the dude prolly ran into a meme from 2000 and accidentally learned english

also spoilers for The Face of Treachery & "Raven's Flight"

i was listening to them yesterday and today morning

shit ruined my entire day

[tall phoenix]

[safe plover]

||dont you just LOVE IT when you're reading a nice little story about a legion that doesnt get much love and you fucking get slapped at the very end with "IT WAS NOT I SARGENT BLEEP BLOORP BUT I ALPHARIUS OF THE ALPHA LEGION"||

words can not discribe my hate for ||the alpha legion||

why make a functional nerative with well written characters when you can just make a U turn half way and scream ||HAHA IT WAS ME ALL ALONG BARRY I ADDED EXTRA CILANTRO TO YOUR BURGER||

[tall phoenix]

Ah yes

my favorite trope up there with

Mcguffin hunt

Mcguffin gets destroyed at the end of book

[safe plover]

id rather have doohickey than ....him

[tall phoenix]

[sour socket]

How is Black Library's customer service? I recently bought an ebook of Spear of the Emperor there, but something went wrong and I've never got to see the download page, it ended up not being linked up to ny account and my money is gone

[drowsy urchin]

Never used the BL specific one but if it is operated by the same people as the GW proper it should be very good

[tall phoenix]

Its not bad, sometimes takes awhile for them ot respond to stuff but ive not had bad interactions.

[leaden acorn]

haha i used the tortured screams of the damned to pump up astropaths with thousands of dead and then killed them to black out the astropathic light of thousands of worlds

and then "go ||Septimus|| u are free!"

[tall phoenix]

[cerulean peak]

I wish Simon Spurrier had written more than his NL book and Fire Warrior's novelisation

[safe plover]

😰 w-well thumbed? old friends?

really tho

im starting to feel bad for magnus

all he wanted was to uplift human psykers and have fun with his bros...

magnus redemption arc when?

[cerulean peak]

When the Emperor ||Never. He did everything wrong and his hubris was his downfall||

[safe plover]

nooooooooooo the shards tho 😭

we can remake him!!!

cmon you read some primarch backstories and its like "X tried to strangle his adoptive sister while magnus is: he had fun with his bros :3333333"

chaos never wanted magnus he just kinda happened they got him instead of sangui which they were banking on

[wide mica]

Hey sometimes you just gotta strangle your sister

[cerulean peak]

A brother wanting to strangle his sister during early years is natural. Wanting to harness eldritch powers with the "bros" is not. Also Magnus is a condescending asshole. He should have been a smoothbrain like his brothers

I hope they don't bring back more loyalist primarchs. One for each half of the galaxy is more than enough. ||just give us more xenos stuff ffs GW||

[shy lark]

Just finished the Baneblade novel, Guy Haley always seems to struggle with endings

[vale wren]

And also Prospero deserved it

[cerulean peak]

Based. The last thing the dust bags saw before getting rekt

[hybrid turtle]

Yeah but the rubric didnt happen yet at that time

[limpid mauve]

Hi guys, I want to start reading Warhammer 40k books. Which one do you suggest to start?

[obtuse elm]

pinned has rec

[tall phoenix]

yeah take a look through there

basically just pick a faction that interests you and start with it, worst case just ask any questions you got here

[limpid mauve]

Tyranids interest me

[limpid mauve]

K

[tall phoenix]

Ah shoot thats a tricky one lmao, hold on i might have something as a short story bundle

https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/the-great-devourer-leviathan-omnibus-ebook-en-2019.html

🫱

[limpid mauve]

I can find it on Amazon too?

[tall phoenix]

Uhh no idea i dont use it

I solely stick to Black Library

[limpid mauve]

Do they ship all over the world?

[tall phoenix]

They dont do some countries

when thats the case theres usually a big red text saying it above the purchase button tho lol

[limpid mauve]

K, ty

[royal egret]

There’s also Devastation of Baal, it’s a Blood Angel book but it showcases them well and has Nid pov scenes, and Days of Ascension for Genestealers if you wanted to delve into that, but your probably better off reading Codexes and campaign books with Nids.

Even in codexes Nid stuff is generally the pov of those fighting them

[safe plover]

if you have audible most of the stuff is on there too

[mellow knot]

A lot of the books are now ebook only as well.

[shy lark]

Alas, Black Library profits are small and releasing as ebooks is cheaper

[limpid mauve]

I found it as phisical book, I dont like so much Ebooks. I take ebooks only when phisical book i cant find it or too much expensive

[safe plover]

audible is great too

its kinda the cheapest option

i should start rating the books i listened to tbh

HH books 2-4 are fucking peak decent of the angels is a close second alongside vulkan lives

[safe plover]

emperor save me... listening to Prospero Burns by dannie boy

[tall phoenix]

How is it

[safe plover]

so far a lot of gibberish and i have no idea whats happening or where people are or who they are

[tall phoenix]

LOL

Yeah uh it could get better later

depending on your tastes

[royal egret]

It starts a little confusing intentionally since your PoV doesn’t get it, but I don’t recall it being that confusing

He’s on Fenris at the start, and his ship crashes and he gets saved, and then a lot of time passes. He was a remembrancer sent to the Space Wolves.

[safe plover]

"RAVEN BEAKED HELMETS"

BRO STOP

I DONT NEED TO VISUALIZE THE SHITHELMS

just say helmet and let me visualize a grill in peace

[safe plover]

ye i assumed they were on fenris

dans slop is more fitting of visual media than books imo

[unborn merlin]

Was wondering, which Ciaphas Cain book is everyone’s favorite? Read the first two books back to back and found them enjoyable. I heard The Traitor’s Hand is a favorite for a lot of people but I honestly need a break from Cain and will probably read it another time.

[royal egret]

They don’t work to binge at all

They’re very similar

It’s the same thing each time with a few things changed, it’s fun but yeah

[unborn merlin]

I think I prefer Cain stories when they’re short stories. Really enjoyed the anthology.

[royal egret]

You’ll notice how similar they are if you read them all at once

Unfortunately

It’s best to use them as like

Fun palate cleansers imo

I think he’s fun but maybe a little overrated

[unborn merlin]

Yeah, that’s the impression I got. Reminded me of my Hardy Boys obsession back in middle school.

Stuff happens and he somehow wins at the end.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah they are like extremely formulaic

[royal egret]

Yeah basically, it’s fun, you know what you’re getting, but it’s best not to read them back to back.

[unborn merlin]

Bought the Word Bearers omnibus so imma read that after the Cypher novella.

[royal egret]

I enjoyed the WBs trilogy a lot

The characters are actually just evil, ambitious pricks and it’s great.

[unborn merlin]

Only heard good things about them so I’m stoked.

[royal egret]

None for his weak sauce “ugh but I’m so sad about how evil I am” lame stuff

Nah Marduk is an evil prick and he loves it

[unborn merlin]

Honestly spent a stupid amount of money on 40K books and audiobooks last month but at least I have a nice backlog now lmao.

Finished the Dark Imperium books and those were pretty mid

[safe plover]

dan abnett

spent an entire chapter describing a remembrancers fever dream

theres a whole fucking chapter of yapping

[drowsy urchin]

king shit

[safe plover]

skip chapters 2-3 if you're reading prospero burns

[royal egret]

How the fuck do you read so slow

You should be halfway done by now

[mellow knot]

As ongoing proof that not everyone likes the same things, I love Prospero Burns: and the audio is even better because it reads properly like a Viking saga. Cadence and flow - from a writing perspective, it’s bloody clever. But I appreciate it’s not for everyone.

[safe plover]

i listen to it on audio book when im preparing to sleep or taking breaks

[safe plover]

so far its the least bad dan abnett work ive tried

chapters 2-3 are kinda too slow and whatever

[shy lark]

He's very hit or miss for me, I could not get through Bequin

[tall phoenix]

Same, Abnett can very much get up his own ass sometimes.

[safe plover]

bequin is written by dan?

fuck i was looking forward to that series

i couldnt find the excerpts but Prospero Burns legit has an entire chapter thats just a fever dream

if someone is listening to it or reading it i recommend skipping a few pages after ||the remembrancer falls asleep|| until ||he wakes up in the space wolves keep and starts trashing||

that chapter is called back later on and you wont miss anything

[tall phoenix]

When you cant read a 40k book's chapters just skim-read it

let your eyes wander/spot anything that might be crucial but otherwise scan past it

[wise yew]

me who reads that way the moment i started reading warhammer books

i be speed running

[safe plover]

i listened to the whole thing

thats why i know the whole thing sucked

[tall phoenix]

LMAO whoops missed that bit

yeah in that case good luck

[safe plover]

2x play speed my beloved...

[shy lark]

In fairness, Dan Abnett hasn't made me quit reading for years like GRRM has. That was a genuine slog

[tall phoenix]

Lmaoooo

my problem with GRRM is more:

||"Oh good another sexual assault scene, my favorite "||

I genuinely love the world of GoT and its characters but goddamn dude enough sometimes lmao

[shy lark]

It's that and the endless nothing stretches that ruined it for me

Two books where two characters are just travelling and doing nothing besides complaining occasionally

[tall phoenix]

LOL

very fair

[tall phoenix]

and yeah like i read the books for the most part

but I was realizing i like people talking/explaining GOT more than reading it. People like Alt-Shift-X gave me such a big appreciation for it

some of his vids like The Real Tyrion Lannister are legit peak

[wise yew]

me watching one of the characters in elden ring get absolutely violated because of his involvement

Miquella what the hell

[shy lark]

GoT is cooler than GRRM can manage, but I can never look at it without loathing again either

[tall phoenix]

Lmao same

[leaden acorn]

A song of ice and penises

[drowsy urchin]

https://fixupx.com/ShinyGroundon/status/1858754437164016063

read the black legion series

[reef gate]

what would be the best 5-6 books to start with?

i've always wanted to get into the books

[drowsy urchin]

pinned messages has plenty of places to start

[reef gate]

cool thanks

[safe plover]

Prospero Burns is ||okay||

i didnt care much for the pesudo schizo repetition of one dream in chapters 9-15 tho

and the part where 294 primarchs and 284543 custodians actually talk to one human being normally felt like a self insert

[tall phoenix]

Its not the best but yeah "okay" is a good way to put it

[shy lark]

On a related note, I'd rate Broken Crusade good in my subjective opinion

[tall phoenix]

Oh yeah how is it

i got it for a friend never touched it

also give spoilers in CIA black marker if possible

[shy lark]

I genuinely enjoyed it, narrator on the audible one is pretty good

Spoilers? In the book club?

[tall phoenix]

Well I am a corrupt person in a position of power so

Also is the book about a mcguffin hunt, i gotta know

[shy lark]

No it's mostly Black Templars suffering

[tall phoenix]

Lmao

[magic rapids]

Everything starts with the horus heresy/siege of terra and that's where you get to know all the key players. I would start with books 1-3 then the flight of the eisenstein/fulgrim and the first heretic/know no fear and a thousand sons/prospero burns.

[royal egret]

The heresy is a terrible place to start and always will be

[magic rapids]

That's an opinion though and you'r entitled to it but i disagree. Having read maybe 80% of the black library 30/40k publications starting with the heresy, i personally wouldn't have had it any other way but that's just me.

[reef gate]

What would be the best guard/navy novel to read as well? On the side of the heresy books

[royal egret]

There’s not really a specific one which focuses on them, there’s characters or plotlines within some books which involve those

Guard books are much more prevalent in 40k

For those I’d recommend Gaunt’s Ghosts, maybe some Cain novels, Cadian series, 15 hours.

The White Scars books and Betrayer heavily feature ship captains and ship combat. There’s others too but, it’s not really a primary focus.

Guard its spread around.

[hybrid turtle]

Theres that desert raiders book from 2007 thats basically all guardsmen

[tall phoenix]

Essentially anything that happens in the Heresy has largely nothing to do with modern 40k

You can equally read a bulletpoint of events from the lexi and be about as caught up.

[royal egret]

It’s a very different setting and worse it expects you to already have knowledge of 40k and the events of it.

Just because it’s possibly to start with the heresy and get into 40k doesn’t mean it’s a good idea

Or that it doesn’t take away from the heresy

[leaden acorn]

Horus rising is a fantastic book though

But yes

[tall phoenix]

Horus was definitely rising in it

[frigid osprey]

Don't start with the Horus Heresy jeez

read actual 40k books if u want to read 40k books

40k is the OG setting, Heresy is the prequel series

Start with Eisenhorn for the inquisitors, rogue traders and the drudgery of life inside the decaying empire that is the Imperium, which is what this setting is all about

[shy lark]

Real G's start on lexicanum and clicking the random page hell yea

[woeful zodiac]

The only 40k book I'm excited for is the conclusion of All Guardsmen Party

[safe plover]

GW pays her rent if we dont buy the books she doesnt have a home

so yes you gotta spoiler your rating of a ||book||

[safe plover]

BROTHERHOOD OF THE STORM USES DIFFERENT VOICE ACTORS PER CHAPTOR

rating: ||ASS UNLISTEN TO ABLE?||

[tacit seal]

Read tau books and become 🐟

[severe trail]

more like 🐮

they got hooves

[brittle tapir]

got em

[safe plover]

it fucking ||sucks|| bros

[frosty hazel]

New Astra Militarum Codex

look at that cover art, makes me want to start an army

[royal egret]

Oldie but a goodie

[tall phoenix]

Kind of shitty formatting wise for a cover but i guess could be worse

[severe trail]

Tbh

The art codex covers

Are all kind of meh to me

[tall phoenix]

Yeah they are all meh

The eldar one is a straigth ripoff of the mid-2000's one lol

Krieg is just.. like why. Can you at least show some big vista of fighting like the 9th edition cover?

they are just charging off to the side, it feels like an artwork you'd see in the codex

[safe plover]

krieg didnt get shit for a long time because people got a bit too creative with painting them in the 90s

GW just waited until people stopped painting the uhhh kriegsmen like kriegsmarines

[tall phoenix]

Still would prefer if they didn't tbh.

Them hogging the guard cover art is max-cringo

[safe plover]

cmon its been cadians for how many codexes now?

i was gonna say maybe its time for a new astmil faction

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Astra_Militarum_Regiments

but after reading this

just pick another one

[tall phoenix]

Even then the problem is its a boring cover too ontop of that

[safe plover]

theres too many already

[tall phoenix]

like what are the homies even doing

😭

get them out of my SIGHT!

[safe plover]

theres at least 300 regiments

damn

i had no idea writing bloat was that bad

[wise yew]

the codex is a bit meh but the models are crisp

[tall phoenix]

Its not bloat persay

remember that lists EVERY regiment offhandedly mentioned to slightly referenced for the sake of documentation

some of them got like 1 sentence of lore or just a picture from an ancient codex

[drowsy urchin]

canonically there are probably way more different regiments than space marine chapters, yet there are more named chapters than regiments that we know of

[tall phoenix]

^

and even then

even the named chapters get the 1 sentence lore/image treatment

or "The Gore Golems is a loyalist Space Marine Chapter"

wow thanks lexicanum

[wise yew]

Black Dragons got lucky because they have more than three

[safe plover]

yeah sure but still in an imperium of trillions of guards

they cant expect us to learn thousands of names for regiments

[tall phoenix]

Again, you arent suppose to

[drowsy urchin]

nor do they expect it

[tall phoenix]

95% of those regiments on that page are fodder

same with like

[safe plover]

so

its

[tall phoenix]

every faction's subfactions

[safe plover]

bloat :%)

[tall phoenix]

No because people dont even know they exist

or do they get actively advertised

again

they are there for documentation reasons

because its a wiki

[drowsy urchin]

it's world building not bloat

[safe plover]

theres functionally no reason to mention the name of a regiment you're never gonna talk about ever again

[finite frigate]

clad when he looks at a phone book and it has 4 John Smith's: bloat?

[tall phoenix]

Again. They are just there because the wikiboys want to document their existence. 95% of the fandom doesnt know about these groups.

[drowsy urchin]

how boring would it be to have the three most known regiments only be mentioned in evey conflict across the galaxy

[safe plover]

man there are 284374 books in warhammer adding an extra unneeded line its 2 more years in listening time

[tall phoenix]

NO ONE IS GONNA SEE THESE PEOPLE UNLESS THEY GOOGLE IT LIKE YOU DID

ITS NOT BLOAT WHEN NOBODY EVEN CARES ABOUT THEM

[wise yew]

OK let me just bring in my fodder guard fighting the fodder orks, yeah their name is fodder in the fodder planet

[safe plover]

im feeling pretty bloated rn

ngl

[wise yew]

Naming them gives them at least something to exist

[tall phoenix]

yeah you are about to be with this bomb im gonna noclip inside you

[wise yew]

even if they are just you know gonna get killed off screen

[drowsy urchin]

it would be bloat if every one of these regiments would need official rules and separate units

[wise yew]

yeah

[tall phoenix]

Yeah this.

And its been shown before even that doesnt fly

[safe plover]

noclip?

just throw the bomb alread jeez

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/ibishu-pigeon-noclip-hello-chat-gif-26932160

[safe plover]

ye ye

thats insult bloat

[tall phoenix]

anyway, theres a reason even the popular regiment lines have been expunged over the years

[safe plover]

you didnt need to say that

[tall phoenix]

because like

people say "oh my god they are so cool!"

then never buy them

lmao

[drowsy urchin]

chad wants his lore to be bullet points rather than prose

[safe plover]

yes

[tall phoenix]

[safe plover]

i need to get some broke english students and pay then 10cent an hour to read all of the horus heresy and recompile it into one novel

[tall phoenix]

Man id do that if i could

its kinda incredible how much actual bloat they can fit across 55+ novels

closest you got is the lexi page for it which you prob could get someone to read

[safe plover]

wow you dont like listening to the same story 5 times from the pov of 9 different people?

[tall phoenix]

Well okay jokes aside some books in it are good

the issue is like thats what

10 great/good books against uhhh 40?

[drowsy urchin]

maybe you should do a Horus Heresy novel tier list and upload it to youtube

[safe plover]

by my count so far:
||false gods, galaxy in flames, flight of the eisenstein, descent of the angels, fulgrim, vulkan lives||

the short stories are mostly mid imo

[drowsy urchin]

Liking False Gods but disliking Horus Rising sure is something

[safe plover]

its written by dan abbnett

i couldnt read it

i had an aneurysm after ||our boy loken went to the the university to talk with some dude||

[tall phoenix]

He was just bing chilling

dont be mean to him

[safe plover]

id never be mean to ||loken||

[drowsy urchin]

My co-worker just stared the Heresy and he was very put off by the change in writing style in False Gods after finishing Horus Rising. I didn't have such a huge reaction but the drop in quality was still noticeable

it's been pretty fun listening his opinions going through the start of the Heresy these past few weeks

[safe plover]

some books are perfectly readable some are great

its just that there are a few that are so bad its unreal

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its a huge mix up "it varies"

[safe plover]

legion almost killed me

[tall phoenix]

LOL

[safe plover]

i stopped exactly here

[tall phoenix]

[safe plover]

yeah im sure you remember me crashing out about this

[tall phoenix]

yeah abnett's synonym-trope strikes again

ive deffo seen worse but i hate his thing of "i gotta google what the fuck this means"

[drowsy urchin]

If there's a single not that meaningful word that I don't understand, I just don't care. I'll probably just presume a correct enough meaning to it given the context

[safe plover]

i cant

[tall phoenix]

same

[safe plover]

i gotta know everything

[tall phoenix]

its annoying

i think the absolute worst one ive read from him was uh

the fuck was it

"zussufication" of a chainsword or something? Which is the archaic meaning of constantly vibrating etc, cant remember

[wise yew]

Crashing Out?

you were so mad you can become the mortal vessel of khorne

[safe plover]

yes

[safe plover]

it wasnt as bad for prospero burns

he didnt use many bs terms

[tall phoenix]

yeah agreed

[drowsy urchin]

@tall phoenix you had that picture of good and bad Dawn of Fire novels and I kinda want to see if I whould get to any of them before The Silent King drops

can I have it

[tall phoenix]

Shit hold on lemme find it

its missing the last 2 books but still

[drowsy urchin]

Utterly useless

[tall phoenix]

AAA-

Here was the latest one, the entire series is very much just... mediocre.

I'd need the reviews of the last books to really update this

[drowsy urchin]

I've gone through the first three, so I'd be fine continuing with Throne of Light and maybe jumping to Sea of Souls after?

Hand of Abaddon interests me because of the title and Votann mentions but what I heard it isn't stellar either

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the only book id absolutely never tell anyone to read is Wolftime

genuinely one of THE most boring books in warhammer ive read

[wise yew]

me forcing someone to read wolf time after they decided to eat my leftovers

[severe trail]

sea of souls is very good according to people I've talked to

its like a Warhammer horror book

got shoved into dawn of fire

[drowsy urchin]

that's neat

it was the Chris Wraight one right

[severe trail]

mhm

[royal egret]

The nice thing is they’re so disconnected it almost doesn’t matter

There’s very loose threads which follow through the books

[dreamy ledge]

What’s the wrong with avenging son?

[tall phoenix]

Its just Eh.

not much relavent happens in it, very boring plot + characters

its bad for a start to an entire series

[royal egret]

It does a good job showing the Unnumbered Sons and how the early primaris stuff worked before they got more established and split to join the chapters

[safe plover]

scars so far is ||good||

[tall phoenix]

Scars is one of the best

if you dislike it I will be shooting you

[safe plover]

im only up to chapter 5

[safe plover]

its pretty || lit chapter 21 so far ||

[tall phoenix]

Told you so

its POPPIN'

[safe plover]

@tall phoenix i need help i went to the crimson king after prospero burns and scars

idk what the hell is happning

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fhow-do-i-read-the-horus-heresy-in-order-v0-2r0kek8g0fec1.jpeg%3Fwidth%3D4083%26format%3Dpjpg%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3De7dfb41f2bdbdd6d1be220cd440aac9f3c350561

im trying to follow this

but i think its too far down

[tall phoenix]

what in the-

oh ym god

ITS THAT CHART

[safe plover]

yes

[tall phoenix]

alright lets take a look at this pile

[safe plover]

should i go with another legion and go back to?

because i think as i go down it also goes down in time

[tall phoenix]

okay so id say yes? Because like as much as chronology is kinda important its probably better to do these first

but i never bothered and just read them in release order

(since the authors never actually figured this stuff out mostly)

[safe plover]

🤔

ok yeah ill restart at fulgrim and work my way down then

i was hoping i wouldnt

everyone in his fleet is stinky and needs to take a cold shower

[tall phoenix]

remember you really dont have to do this

but i aint your mom so

[safe plover]

nah i was going legion by legion before

but crimson king is wayy too far down

[tall phoenix]

Yeah it gets mixed up bad

so go with your gut or worst case try asking god forbid some dickheads on r40klore

half the time those fucks are useless but you might get a helpful tip there as ewll

[safe plover]

GW needs to force its writers to come up with an actual read order

i tried reading fulgrim instead of audio book it was very good

i just stopped because it was too good and i started getting mad at fulgrim

[tall phoenix]

[royal egret]

They have one

It’s called the order of release

[safe plover]

LMAO

no way

i am NOT doing that autism

[royal egret]

In general though outside of skipping some arcs it’s not that complicated

There’s connected series but unless you’re skipping a book just read the connected books and then get to the next arc you wanna read

There’s only a few converging points and by the end it’s all converged

Or you can just read them in order and get to the next part of an arc when it comes up, and skip books to wanna skip

[cerulean peak]

I'm doing order of release...

But i'm skipping the shitty ones. ||that means half the series at least ||

[weak python]

yeah if I ever sit down to read through the Horus Heresy books I might just find a list to avoid the real shitty unfun books

[cerulean peak]

Arbitor Ian's video where he rates all the HH in 20ish minutes is a good reference if you wish to know what's worth a read or not

[tall phoenix]

^

Its the most honest/blunt review for the main series

[brittle tapir]

just like us!

[drowsy urchin]

https://gaming.kylebb.com/hhtimeline/
Here's the original chart which is a bit easier to browse through than just an image, although release order is just fine. Iirc I went with it with a couple variations jumping here and there according to this chart, but don't think I never jumped more than a couple releases forwards before returning to the release order

I skipped Nemesis, Damnation of Pythos and the Salamanders books

and every anthology after the 3rd one iirc

[safe plover]

ye i have the pdf of it somewhere picture is easier to post here

[safe plover]

you know

i googled sanguinius today to find out when i could learn about his reuinion with the emperor

it was in fucking siege of terra

kill me now

[tall phoenix]

[vale wren]

i just know he was asking for the emperor's peace right there

[tough helm]

Hey guys, I’m a big fan of space marine 2 and dark tide. Anyone have suggestions for which books to start with in the 40k universe? Gonna send them to my family for Christmas ideas 😂

[drowsy urchin]

Depends which areas you're most interested in

Pinned messages also have a good few pointers where to start

[median pond]

Started Horus Heresy this summer with a collection of the first three books. After I finished the collection, I realized there are more then 50 books 😄

[drowsy urchin]

godspeed🫡

[safe plover]

i recommend audible

[median pond]

Damn, good idea. But will take Bookbeat, that’s cheaper

[safe plover]

what book(s) has the primarchs balcony/ulanor campaign?

[drowsy urchin]

Fear to Tread might've had it

As it's prologue

Or wait, no. It had something else relating to the great triumph

Can't recall if that particular scene was in any book

But Ulanor campaign and the great triumph is mentioned/retold here and there

[safe plover]

when im in a blab and never finish a story contest and my opponent is a GW writer

[drowsy urchin]

Well it's something that had already happened when the story starts so eh

You'll get the important stuff like the emperor granting Horus his title etc somewhere along the books

[safe plover]

i said before

fucking finding sanguinius is in the sige of terra

itll be a while

[drowsy urchin]

there's a plenty of books with him in them still

[lean comet]

I skipped to the end and death. I like Dan Abnett, sue me.

[safe plover]

im suing

we hate dan here

[tall phoenix]

Clad kill that dude

ill cover up the evidence like the corrupt moderator that I am

[wise yew]

Don't worry i will also eat his remains

I'm quite hungry

[safe plover]

its just that easy hear that dan fans?

[mellow knot]

No murderising, I'm too tired to care/deal with it.

[safe plover]

you just take a long break and forget you saw anything

[valid plank]

Fat Shark: OKAY Abnette, we hear you have some fantastic ideas for our game, lets hear them!

DA: Okay so I'm thinking it takes place in a hive City....

Fat Shark: SOLD!!!

DA: Wait I haven't finished....

Fat Shark: Save it for the expansion.

[brittle tapir]

dan gave them a post-it note and that was what they worked with

[manic cedar]

Need a good grey knights recommend

[tall phoenix]

I mean yeah what were people expecting lol

this game was never getting some huge campaign, it was always going to be a drip-feed narrative like VT1 and VT2

[royal egret]

VT1 and 2 had a much clearer and better story and arc at launch.

Darktide has improved a lot narratively but it definitely was severely lacking at launch.

VT2 much more than 1 obviously

[tall phoenix]

Ehhhh dont know about that

"Clearer" doesnt really mean better, it was even more basic than what we got here.

Nothing really grand/large in scope either ontop of that. It was probably made that way to be easier to digest considering its Fantasy.

[mellow knot]

Now that I’ve finally got to play it, I’m really enjoying seeing how all those random barks that I wrote all those months ago fit into the game. It’s weirdly satisfying and I feel a little proud of myself 🙂

[tall phoenix]

Considering theres over 50,000+ voicelines in this game id be proud of hearing half of the stuff (that I at least remember) id have written for it too 😭

[safe plover]

theyre slowly adding character arcs

zealots are less and less hateful to psykers

judge for example is getting bullied in a bunch of the new lines "did you practice that?" "do you come up with these back at the ship?"

[tall phoenix]

Wait I thought that was always in the game

[safe plover]

idk i played male judge for most of the time on zealot

last month i started hearing more lines of other rejects ripping on him

and before that i was heard lines of a zealot asking the psyker for drinks after the mission

[wise yew]

i also love the class System being basically

Each character has a range, a support class, a rush down class that allows them to get in the enemy and their special DLC class that does a very special thing

[safe plover]

#zealot-class message zealot jester
#darktide-pics-vids message psyker zealot drinks

[finite frigate]

it'd be cool to get all the voice lines put into a compilation or sound gallery of some sort and it is roughly organized by chronology

[frigid osprey]

I've never heard those and I'm judge zealot main

Btw reddit was funny the other day, someone posted that Matt Ward is responsible for all the voice direction and writing in the game and ppl straight up didn't believe it

Massive cognitive dissonance there

"bu-bu-but reddit told me that Matt Ward is dog shit at everything and I need to hate absolutely everything he has ever done"

[drowsy urchin]

I bet most of those people weren't even alive when he wrote the infamous codex' he's unjustly hated for

[frigid osprey]

100%

Nor have they read any of the old codexes anyway

[drowsy urchin]

exactly

[tall phoenix]

half of Vermintide 1 and 2's success as a game is from the banter which he majorily wrote for too lol

[wise yew]

the Matt Ward haters overflowing with realization and seeething energy after realising that banter between some of the most beloved warhammer characters who have ever existed comes from him

[severe trail]

People ignoring the fact he made Necron lore actually good™️

[wise yew]

Do people genuinely just hate him for space marines and nothing else?

[severe trail]

most of his hate is from Codex Ultramarines turned Space Marine Codex

and the 5e grey knights codex

the 5e grey knights one kind of fucking sucked

but w/e

[wise yew]

Sheesh

[severe trail]

it got retcon'd mostly

[wise yew]

Some people

[severe trail]

Codex Space Marines 5e was

clearly Codex Ultramarines

LOL

which is why it sucked offf UM so hard

[tall phoenix]

Yeah and also iirc GW basically threw him under the bus too lol

i remember i think it was him saying it was them specifically who they asked Ward to make everything so UM focused

[severe trail]

well yeah

it was Codex Ultramarines

💀

[tall phoenix]

You know what I mean dickhead

[severe trail]

Until like 2 months before release

[tall phoenix]

[wise yew]

Is he still in gw?

[tall phoenix]

I THINK hes freelance now?

But like provides for Warhammer services here and there

[wise yew]

Hmm i see

[tall phoenix]

Lmao wait

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Matt_Ward

[severe trail]

yeah he works for GW again

[tall phoenix]

He left the company in 2014, but quietly returned in 2016.

[severe trail]

he does still write his own books

lol

[tall phoenix]

QUIETLY RETURNED

[severe trail]

not really quietly

[tall phoenix]

[severe trail]

he made a fucking social media post

one moment

let me find the image

[tall phoenix]

Okay but

you assume people read on the internet

[tall phoenix]

Yeah that is old

[severe trail]

he posted this on his Twitter iirc

[tall phoenix]

damn

[severe trail]

I mean its funny

[tall phoenix]

Its a guy posting a picture

so i guess so

[severe trail]

idk I think its really funny to announce your return to a company with a selfie

[tall phoenix]

Im gonna announce your de-parture with a pipebomb

[wise yew]

Why does he look like he just got commanded by the commissar to charge a tyranid warrior with nothing but a combat knife

[frigid osprey]

he's deffo under games workshop NDAs regardless

cause hes not been free to go on podcasts and talk about whatever, etc

jordan sorcery had him on though which was great

[safe plover]

listening to fulgrim again the part where ||serena killing a dude after trying to schtup him is painful||

i like the book but i also hate it

[scenic raft]

Recently listened Know No Fear.
Good book.

Fuck Lorgar lmao

[safe plover]

all my homies hate lorgar

this dude likes books n shit
lets name him LORE-GAR

it never ends.......

[sour socket]

in the name department i think that ferrus manus and the iron hands are worse

this dude has iron hands
lets name him iron hand, make him lead a chapter called the iron hands and name his capital ship fist of iron

[tall phoenix]

The only people that also defend it are Iron Hands fans too

"Oh other primarchs got silly names too tho! This is warhammer!"

Ok but like its still a dumb name, whats your point

[split sphinx]

they also get insecure when you mention there primarch tapped out first

[tall phoenix]

Im sure no one will take offense to this

[wise yew]

grab the ban gun and get ready

[royal egret]

they

Now I know you’re lying, acting like you’ve talked to multiple Iron Hands fans

[split sphinx]

[safe plover]

bruh

i laughed so hard when they wrote that ferrus "shapes weapons without hammers nor fire"

this dude punches swords

[split sphinx]

cold smiting is a thing irl

[safe plover]

not for iron

[royal egret]

He heats up his hands then shapes them, then beats them into shape.

[split sphinx]

you can hit things so hard and fast they generate heat to bend metal

[safe plover]

copper brass etc yeah

[royal egret]

He doesn’t not use heat

[safe plover]

iron or steel needs heat to change its lattice structure

[royal egret]

He also had forges and furnaces he’s shown using sometimes although he preferred to use his hands

Also he’s not using iron to make these things

His hands are Necrodermis

[safe plover]

essentially heating then recolling metals changes the carbon and iron from a crystalline structure that favors ductility to one that favors strength

[royal egret]

The people of medusa just called him Iron Hands when they saw him

[tall phoenix]

Homie is the type to do a house tour and every room has some kind of furnace/forge/anvil

[royal egret]

He liked his forges that’s for sure

[safe plover]

so ferrus manus just looks at metal so hard it gets scared and heats up by itself

[tall phoenix]

I mean to be fair

[safe plover]

CANON

[tall phoenix]

you cannot get better than this

[safe plover]

no ferrus just chews the iron and spits out swords

[tall phoenix]

ısnt that how you do crafting in minecraft too, same thing

[safe plover]

yes

[tall phoenix]

very allegorical

the sacred AND the iron

[safe plover]

steve is one of the lost primarchs

[split sphinx]

he crimps metal with his ass cheeks

[royal egret]

He was able to heat up his hands and shape it. Vulkan didn’t like this cause he thought it was unnatural. He preferred the much more normal and natural method of going into TzHaar City and smithing stuff

[tall phoenix]

God I legit cannot get over that official artwork

he is LITERALLY dressed like a Jojo pillarmen its insane

[split sphinx]

wow guys jojo reference

[wise yew]

but is ferrus better at making weapons?

[royal egret]

They have different strengths

[tall phoenix]

Everything is a jojo reference when you cope enough

[royal egret]

I would say they both probably were about the same at that

[safe plover]

now thats a primarch

[wise yew]

Me killing you is also a JoJo reference if I wanted to so yeah sure why not

[royal egret]

Ferrus made more like

Engineered stuff

[split sphinx]

?

[royal egret]

He made a lot of mass produced things for the war effort, vehicles, weapons, armor sets

Enhancements like that

Vulkan was more about making specific artistic pieces

[wise yew]

Ferrus's armor is probably one of the greatest showmanships of his craft

shit is insane

[split sphinx]

true, but perts armor was better

[royal egret]

He was able to walk out of craters when Titan and super heavy weapons fired on him at Istvaan V

[tall phoenix]

Pert is more of an anti-aircraft platform

mixed with a gaming setup

wired to his skull

[royal egret]

He also was the engineer behind the Ordo Sinister’s gun

[split sphinx]

erm its actually more like a flak tower

🤓

[royal egret]

The Sinistramanus Tenebrae that’s it

[split sphinx]

god i love the names

we need tabletop scale ordo sinister stuff

[royal egret]

As boring as it is to do primarch fights in Heresy for a lot of reasons, the definitely cooked with Ferrus and faction synergy, he’s got some great army buffs and he’s one of the best all arounder fighters in the game. Only Horus Ascendant and sometimes Russ has favorable odds against him in a fight.

[royal egret]

They do have models

For Titanicus

[split sphinx]

yeah buts titanicus

theres like, 5 people that play that

[royal egret]

Their titans

And it has a very large following tbh

Much more than anyone who makes full scale titans

Especially warlords

[split sphinx]

the only specialist game i know that i know is popular is necromunda

[wise yew]

their titans are the most unique to be fair

[split sphinx]

so i wasnt aware titanicus was this popular

[wise yew]

it's a titan that is powered by psykers

[split sphinx]

neat

[royal egret]

It’s super easy to find Titanicus games generally I’ve found

[split sphinx]

i might get some

[wise yew]

bro has not heard of kill team

[royal egret]

Aeronautica is generally the one I’d say is harder to find, and even that you can

Better off using TTS though

[split sphinx]

that too 💀

[drowsy urchin]

Titanicus is such a stellar game

probably my favourite GW has made

[royal egret]

It’s very cool

Also now it meshes well with legion imperialis I believe

[split sphinx]

my most vivid memory of it was someone complaining how the resin weapons of titanicus are ridiculous

[royal egret]

It’s a lot of detailing but you don’t need that many models either

It’s less work than most armies in 40k and also the shape of the titans is arguably easier

Depending

[split sphinx]

i might get some

[royal egret]

I’d recommend it, but obviously if you wanna play make sure there’s a local group you can find

Or use TTS

[split sphinx]

i doubt i can find a local game group here

but maybe i'll convince a sibling or two

[royal egret]

Aeronautica is one I’ve wanted to try to get into

That one also isn’t that bad to paint

[split sphinx]

legion imperialis to me felt like wasted potential

you could do so much with it, and instead they limit it to just the heresy

having imperialis exclusive models could really help it standout

but no, heres a 3d model of a regular marine scaled down 80 percent

[drowsy urchin]

it does have exclusive models at the moment

[royal egret]

Yeah

[split sphinx]

is there?

[drowsy urchin]

dark mechanicum models

[royal egret]

They’re adding more too, frankly it’s something they have to test for

Same if they bring BFGA back it’ll probably be a heresy thing at first at least

[drowsy urchin]

think one or two of the infantry units don't have a 28mm equivalent either

[royal egret]

Love me Xiphons

[split sphinx]

more of a bomber guy but i appreciate this other fellow brick plane

god i love this thing

[drowsy urchin]

Literally the greatest thing Imperum ever built

[royal egret]

New Arvus Lighter model is great

[drowsy urchin]

Most likely will be getting that one too

[split sphinx]

wait this is plastic now?

[royal egret]

Not sure, I think so?

[split sphinx]

oh

wait nah lol

[drowsy urchin]

it will be plastic

[royal egret]

Yes it is

[drowsy urchin]

the pics Eternal linked are from the new plastic kit

Mine is the rereleased resin kit

[royal egret]

Most of the new heresy stuff they’ve done is plastic

[wise yew]

i hope they will finally find a way to eliminate resin entirely, I don't get into table top but i'm pretty sure everyone shares that opinion

[royal egret]

It’s still needed for some of the more detailed units

[split sphinx]

resin still has its place

[royal egret]

But they’ve gotten much better

[split sphinx]

a lot of smaller companies still use it for a reason

[royal egret]

Generally speaking the main issue is when it’s something big or a lot of units

[drowsy urchin]

the resin character models they've been releasing the past few years have all been stellar

[royal egret]

Doing a whole resin army sucks

But yeah for character models

It works

[split sphinx]

that reminds me

the old krieg marshall model

man its gorgouse

[wise yew]

hmm i see and the quality has gotten better right?

[royal egret]

Yeah

[wise yew]

Because old resin i heard was hilariously ******* abhorrent

[royal egret]

Still some issues but GW has very good support for that stuff

[split sphinx]

thats finecast

[royal egret]

They just send you a new model if there’s any issues

[split sphinx]

finecast are the ones that will melt when the weather is hot

[royal egret]

Plastic has its issues too

But generally speaking it’s much easier if you can vaguely take care of your stuff

[frigid osprey]

arvus lighter is literally goated

how can a flying brick plane have so much character

[tall phoenix]

It has the characteristics of a bathtub toy

(this is a positive)

[frigid osprey]

its just awesome

im gonna do it just for a piece of scenery if nothing else

although itll make a cool little scene with the rogue trader retinue

[severe trail]

I love the arvus lighter

[split sphinx]

arvus beloved

[scenic raft]

I was in a 30k role player server for a while
I played a Felinid who was also Vulkans personal (unofficial) Remembrancer.
Good times were had with the 18th.
I helped spark a full scale rebellion on a non-complient Forge World with our Iterators.

Their war cry became "KILL THE SNARLING JACKAL."

And then my Salamander Chaplin character performed an actual godamn miracle and caused a bunch of freshly converted Servitors to Awaken and become sentient again.
We ended up heavily modifying them into a sort of Skitarii without a control module in their head. I called them Kindred.

[safe plover]

"even in death we still serve"

waaaait

"30k"
"miracle"

was this pre or post heresy?

[scenic raft]

Pre.
It was a Mechanicum Miracale

My character referred to it as "giving them back their souls."

Cause if I'm gonna shamelessly steal from anywhere, it might as well be Doctor Who lmao

[safe plover]

🚬 dont tell too many people i have a feeling such abilities would not be welcomed soon enough

[scenic raft]

The Kindred were obsessively loyal to the Omnissiah

(The Emperor)

And annoyed the shit out of the Remembrancers and Iterators by ending them recording of their music.

(It was just the Mechanicus OST)

[tacit seal]

anyone gunna get the new tau book ?

elemental council