I dunno, it’s the same complaint people have with marvel movies a lot, not every show or movie has to have a world ending plot
#40k-book-club
royal egret
Some can and should
But if it’s not needed then you know, don’t
Like I largely enjoyed the new exorcists book until the end when it became this whole big thing. Prior it was pretty small scale overall and was fun because of that.
But it’s whatever, it’s also a case of the main plots not being interesting even if I enjoy the characters and lore being given
tall phoenix
I dunno, it’s the same complaint people have with marvel movies a lot, not every...
The problem with marvel movies is they are just terrible and people want a fun flick.
Mcguffin chases are like THE least problematic things in those things rn compared to 40k books
tall phoenix
literally anything anyone in the fandom talks about 24/7
cerulean peak
It's either primarchs or coomer stuff or a mix of both
severe trail
literally anything anyone in the fandom talks about 24/7
Owlcat should have made Maharazi a woman so people would simp for them even harder
tall phoenix
Naaaaaaaaaah 😩
cerulean peak
I just feed him to the daemonette
wide mica
Owlcat should have made Maharazi a woman so people would simp for them even hard...
I would have
tall phoenix
I love people who get mad at Marazhai then the half of the rogue trader fandom is like "lol lmao"
severe trail
Ngl hes a drukhari
tall phoenix
Love how they say this stuff when you do like about as much/worse shit KEK
He also doesnt deny it
his reaction is literally
"Yes."
wide mica
I've heard that Kibellah ||Drowns you in the bathtub||
severe trail
Mhm
tall phoenix
I've heard that Kibellah ||Drowns you in the bathtub||
Nah she doesn't.
severe trail
But she does ||hold your head under the water||
tall phoenix
BASED BASED BASED
wide mica
Still, see above image for my reaction
cerulean peak
So it's ok when a human does it but not an eldar?
severe trail
It’s okay when either does it smh
severe trail
Maharazi also doesn’t have a bath scene for when he’s a sub lol
tall phoenix
severe trail
Or at least not a special one
cerulean peak
But Kibellah's design is ||wow||
severe trail
Abelard is based
tall phoenix
But Kibellah's design is ||wow||
PURE sex
cerulean peak
Does she fits well with an iconoclast/heretic character or only dogmatic ones?
tall phoenix
Uh "yes" to all id say.
shes unhinged but in a "silent" way
her personality is very calm and serene
you literally stab her in the eyeball with her consent
and shes like
"Okay enough of that."
LOL
cerulean peak
tall phoenix
ikr
severe trail
Does she fits well with an iconoclast/heretic character or only dogmatic ones?
She can fit icono or dogmatic fine
Heretic idk
tall phoenix
^
tall phoenix
Like i had Marazhai and Yrliet with me the entire game and barely had any issues. Whenever people go "these are aliens!"
I just go "Shut the fuck up"
severe trail
Abelard to poor people tbh
tall phoenix
NOOOOO
wide mica
Lae'zel and Kibellah share the same secret desire to be cuddled.
cerulean peak
I've only done a dogmatic and heretical playthrough. Iconoclast is the next
Probably doin' it this winter
tall phoenix
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
tall phoenix
Yeah both get boring fast
severe trail
You get drowned in iconoclast options and points imo
cerulean peak
My first playthrough was dogmatic with ico tendencies
tall phoenix
Basically its the best way to be a ruler too. Merciful but not unwilling to drop an iron fist
you gotta be in the middle
otherwise people will think you are mad/wimp
W I N E
tall phoenix
Also the options are so fucking hilarious too
severe trail
Gotta know when to do it smh
severe trail
Also the options are so fucking hilarious too
The solitaire breaking character if you pick the iconoclast option is hilarious
severe trail
Make the clown have a mental reboot
cerulean peak
Basically:
Dogmatic - executes everyone for (sometimes deserved) reasons
Ico - reasonable person I guess?
Heretical - gaslights everyone and ruin things for everyone
severe trail
Basically:
Dogmatic - executes everyone for (sometimes deserved) reasons
Ico - r...
Iconoclast is reasonable/naive
Depending on the situation
cerulean peak
How do you even get the find your true love achievement? I'm pretty sure I did full romances on both my playthroughs and i'm still clueless
tall phoenix
literally make a character realise
being a pawn of chaos is bad
and the person goes
"Oh...oh my god you are right, NOOOO"
cerulean peak
So, it's Naruto?
tall phoenix
Yeah and the "naive" options are usually super obvious
Obviously chaos cultists in disguise
"Nah let em go they look innocent!"
tall phoenix
How do you even get the find your true love achievement? I'm pretty sure I did ...
Might be a bug, better look up a guide
cerulean peak
"Here's my social ass. Number and PIN"
tall phoenix
Yeah some options are literally that
while the others are common sense, and its so fucking funny
cerulean peak
I've only romanced Cassia and ||Jae||
tall phoenix
Jae was such a needy bitch, i passed on her lol
cerulean peak
I'm trying different party comps each playthroughs
tall phoenix
"SHEREEN PLEASE DO THIS FOR ME"
severe trail
Jae is fun
cerulean peak
She is.
tall phoenix
"SHREEN PLEASE DO THAT FOR ME"
tall phoenix
^
cerulean peak
I just wanted to give her a chance. She's going to the pirates next time
cerulean peak
Idira is underrated and a missed oppurtunity by the devs
She has content in like the first act and a quest at the end. That's all
severe trail
Idira is my little walking nuke
cerulean peak
The good ol' dies to the 1% chance of exploding and spawning a daemon first turn
What are your hardest fights? I think mine was the one at the end of Commoragh
severe trail
What are your hardest fights? I think mine was the one at the end of Commoragh
Incubi clusterfuck in comorroagh
Aurora is prolly second
cerulean peak
Oh yea Aurora the first wall ||fuck that sniper||
royal egret
I oddly didn’t have a super hard time with Aurora compared to other fights
I think it’s cause Argenta got the sniper fast or something I can’t recall why
royal egret
The Archon fight and greater daemon fight though
Ugh
I had to crutch on Cassia hard for the archon fight
So many fucking enemies
brittle shale
ok so if I wanted get into White Scars stuff, where would I start?
cerulean peak
There are only 3 entries on the Lexicanum publication page... otherwise there's Scars and Path to Heaven in the Horus Heresy plus Jagathai's primarch book
Might want to add this page to the pins
tall phoenix
If you got any book recommendations you want added to the list you can ping Captain Kentucky over it
She runs the blog so she updates it when asked for any books for peeps to read
royal egret
Largely they’re pretty stiffed on 40k books and stuff that are decent
There are some codes entries you could read into though like the Damoncles Crusade, Huron Attacksd Chogoris, and Illic Nightspear and Kor'sarro Khan both being captured by Nemesor Zahndrak
sour socket
Okay, finished Flight of the Eisenstein yesterday
The book got hooked me hard after they left the jorgall world ship
cerulean peak
The book got hooked me hard after they left the jorgall world ship
Yea that's when the plot starts
Typhon be malding
fiery canyon
How was Agents of the Throne for you guys?
tall phoenix
I think its pretty fun, especially as far as Audio-dramas go
just be sure you got the money, audio-dramas are EXPENSIVE
sour socket
If I wanted to go with the Word Beares storyline in the Horus Heresy, where should I start? The First Heretic, or Lorgar's primarch book?
royal egret
Either but probably the first heretic
The order of publication is generally what I go with tbh
hearty niche
Man Amberley Veil is really funny in the Cain books
Cain goes into detail about a woman he finds attractive and Veil goes on to call her a “jumped up little mutant” lmao
hearty niche
“He would continue to do the habit of bringing his weapons to bed with him through his life, even to the most assuredly safe locations”
How would you know that veil? That’s kinda odd thing to say
tall phoenix
Eyo what the FUCK
royal egret
The joke is both “they be fuckin” and PTSD, impressive
tall phoenix
Iron Hands fan not be Iron Hands fan: Impossible
royal egret
I’m glad you used the correct singular rather than the impossible plural
hearty niche
Do you think there are more white scars or iron hands fans?
royal egret
Hilariously their discords and Reddit’s are very similar sizes
On a wider scale probably Scars cause the heresy books but it’s hard to say. They have such shit 40k support and their rules for both 40k and 30k have had issues traditionally
Either way I feel like I see similar amounts of their armor in the wild but I don’t have much of a sample size really.
unborn merlin
Do you think there are more white scars or iron hands fans?
Probably White Scars. I feel the fandom as a whole fucking loves Jaghatai and acknowledges the White Scars are cool.
Iron Hands on the other hand (hehe) don’t get as much love.
People usually feel sorry for me whenever I say I’m a Iron Hands fan 😔
royal egret
See I think people just know a few memes about the WSs but I wouldn't say they're really fans.
Very few of them see to actually know much lore on them or would ever buy a model or whatever.
If we're counting meme knowledge and the "Omg Jaghatai so based he called Fulgrim gay" as fans then sure but beyond that I think it falls off a lot, its a weird thing.
Iron Warriors are similar too, although with them I do see more armies. I don't get at all their lack of support in 40k and 30k, it feels like leaving a lot of money on the table.
remote glacier
Iron Warriors are similar too, although with them I do see more armies. I don't ...
Their sheer autism acts as a shield against getting minis
royal egret
Iron Warriors also have very loud fans.
remote glacier
royal egret
The only solace I have is the annoying as Perturabo stans and "Iron Warriors carried the heresy/siege" dudes aren't getting stuff but it sucks cause they have a lot of chill fans too.
remote glacier
The only solace I have is the annoying as Perturabo stans and "Iron Warriors car...
They're just copying their idol
To be as annoying, childish, and obstinate as humanly possible
royal egret
A lot of people probably latch onto him for the wrong reasons.
That being said it does make me think that similar to BL a lot of GW’s choices for new models and what not are partially fueled by interest of the creative staff and not always by the obvious money. Not always but it does make me wonder how certain things aren’t addressed or done.
There’s still obvious boxes that need to be ticked.
remote glacier
A lot of people probably latch onto him for the wrong reasons.
to summarize him
Perturabo would be the best, most competent, brilliant and effective primarch, if he weren't Perturabo.
warm coral
guys is there a warhammer comic i can read ? and where can i and if there is one or some where can i find a reading order?
royal egret
Calgar one is good
You can look it up for free online
There’s also a deathwatch one and a sister of battle one
And a few others
Honestly just google them
warm coral
is there a time line ? or i can read them randomly
tall phoenix
You can read them randomly, they arent connected
warm coral
because i would love to see something about plague marines
warm coral
You can read them randomly, they arent connected
thank god
tall phoenix
also
Heres a few in here
Oh wait lol
just write "Warhammer" into the search bar
tall phoenix
Anytime
DO keep in mind most of thes eare from like the mid 2000's
The ones with the gold font are Fantasy, otherwise go nuts
warm coral
yup will do so
sour socket
Okay, I’m going to be starting the First Heretic book, and then I’m probably gonna read Battle for the Abyss, Know no Fear and Betrayer
sour socket
Holy shit the opening of the First Heretic is so good
drowsy urchin
it's among the best heresy books in it's entirety, in for a treat
only surpassed by it's sequel Betrayer
dry halo
https://readcomiconline.li/Search/Comic
best site ever, used since i can remember
never got to me they had warhammer stuff too, i guess they have everything
tall phoenix
Yeah I discovered it like way later lol
i was like "huh, of course they got warhammer comics"
wise yew
https://readcomiconline.li/Search/Comic
oh this site, i read the Blood bowl comics their
good ol reliable for comics
sour socket
it's among the best heresy books in it's entirety, in for a treat
I knew it was gonna be good, I just didn't expect it to be that good
cerulean peak
So deathworlder really was on the lower end of the 40k books i've read. On the other hand i'm really enjoying Day of Ascension so far
tall phoenix
Do you guys mean
- Death World
- Death Worlder
or Death World with the OTHER catachan
who names these novels
brittle tapir
bold of you to assume it's not a whole marketing team
tall phoenix
Damn, long journey 💀
marble sandal
Damn, long journey 💀
good so far though!
tall phoenix
Yeah you are gonna feel very worn down by the end
the entirety of HH is not worth reading at all but
remote glacier
the entirety of HH is *not* worth reading at all but
Wet Leopard growl
Honestly if we ever get live action space wolves
They need to have a leopard growl actually be there when a space wolf gets angry
drowsy urchin
they should have Jonathan Keeble say 'BOOM' instead
unborn merlin
No he’s says “BOOOoooooOOOmmmmm”
drowsy urchin
Quite true
drowsy urchin
Dan Abnett.. Let us hear something about Bequin part 3.. Dan Abnett, please..
tall phoenix
I remember when the second Bequin novel came out
people were like ".....who was Bequin again???"
lol
drowsy urchin
timber thorn
Just about finished Xenos, the first book in the Eisenhorn trilogy
Really enjoyed it!
brittle tapir
nice
wise yew
https://x.com/warhammer/status/1841117011616702486
How hit or miss is dan again
drowsy urchin
only hits 
cerulean peak
Depends on who you ask
royal egret
I liked double eagle a lot so I’m looking forward to this one
Kinda funny how we only had that one book for aeronautica for so long and now we got four
It’s wild the first book came out in 2004
wide mica
Double Eagle, Outgunned, Above and Beyond and now Interceptor City
It's a good time for Fighter pilot nerds
stone quail
Hi, does Raven Guard has a book?
shrewd silo
Hi, does Raven Guard has a book?
yes
shrewd silo
whats the title of it if you dont mind me asking? Thanks
It's name is a translation of raven
stone quail
thanks
stone quail
wow great thanks
wide mica
Martyrdom of Sister Anarchia summarised
tall phoenix
Terrible... 😔
solemn pivot
Question, I haven’t been able to find this series anywhere in audiobook form. Gav Thorpes “13th legion” my vets builds are based around them. I need more last chancer lore!
solemn pivot
The more I look the less likely it is. 😭
shrewd silo
Question, I haven’t been able to find this series anywhere in audiobook form. Ga...
Doesn't have one
sturdy nest
I'm getting the wrath and glory collector's edition
sturdy nest
150 bucks
sturdy nest
Lots of lore
BUT IT DOESN'T TELL ME HOW TO MAKE A CHARACTER
And no empty character sheets
So gotta print em out on my own
tall phoenix
sturdy nest
Nonetheless, it's nice to have, I'll have to print some more stuff for it
Buttttt I would love to play as an adeptus mechanicus
So, bad news
I need to buy the core book for character creation, which is stupid
hearty niche
Man, reading the Gotrizz and Feetlicks books kinda makes me wanna make a dnd dwarf slayer
It’d fit horribly in a party though if you are playing a slayer correctly
Always running head first into danger and starting fights
sturdy nest
So I need to buy the core book and the two other race books
sturdy nest
Man, reading the Gotrizz and Feetlicks books kinda makes me wanna make a dnd dwa...
Feetlick?
sturdy nest
Interesting
wise yew
Interesting
Felix Jaeger is his real name
sturdy nest
Felix Jaeger is his real name
Cool
oak pollen
Empires strongest bachelor
doesnt that title belong to Karl Franz?
idk if he was ever married
heady pewter
Not being able to get Gaunt's Ghosts: The Victory pt.1 in paperback without forking out 200$+ makes me sad 😦
drowsy urchin
they get reprints once in a while so if you're not in a hurry you could just wait and hope for one
although the omnibus prints more rarely
you could also get lucky if any local hobby or maybe even book stores would have any lying around
wide mica
Local libraries are also surprisingly good places to find Warhammer books
iron ore
https://youtu.be/Gbiz6qtMD4c?si=tYp2AFZqP7b--Drh
John Grammaticus is goated
royal egret
I like some stuff more than others
tall phoenix
https://youtu.be/Gbiz6qtMD4c?si=tYp2AFZqP7b--Drh
worst MCU character
hearty niche
What’s the best intro book for the setting of warhammer in general?
brittle tapir
What’s the best intro book for the setting of warhammer in general?
check pins
before dilara kills you
shrewd silo
What’s the best intro book for the setting of warhammer in general?
From who's eye's?
Because if it'd traitors I would say the nightlords omnibus.
Guard would be guants ghosts.
I don't even know where to start with space marines because they all kinda suck so far in 40k.
mellow knot
I love my Space Marines. For good all-round stories, the Space Marine Battles series is a good shout.
tall phoenix
^
unborn merlin
Space Marines make me giggle.
Halfway through The Emperor’s Gift. I think I’m a Grey Knight appreciator now.
royal egret
Simp
unborn merlin
woven chasm
Started listening to Dominion Genesis audiobook. Realized I can't add any info the the lexicanum because idk how shit is spelled or what page it's on. Bungled 
royal egret
They don’t let people edit anyways largely
shy lark
With the year of chaos looming upon us, has anyone read Renegades: Lord of Excess? I'm wondering if I should grab it
tall phoenix
I've read it.
Its... aggressively okay.
I went into it with high hopes because its an Emperor's Children book for once but the author just kinda circlejerks the characters too much and doesnt do much with them
This review puts it very well i think if you are curious
frigid osprey
ive read it, if you like or collect emperor's children then it's worth reading, otherwise not really
i don't think it really went deep enough for me
nothing about the horrors of slaanesh
very little on noise marines
i think xantine is a good character, a lot of interesting things could be done with him but that's not what ended up happening
i think the author is good though, im gonna read more of them
shy lark
Alas, thanks lads. Sometimes authors just don't quite hit the mark
frigid osprey
i don't know what brief they had, what editorial decisions there were, etc
lament hornet
I am doing the worse think i can, but i am reading through all of the Horus Heresy books. right now i am on Thousand Sons.
I never had many opinnions on KSons, never cared to much. But as of reading it (still in the early of it) i have to say, Good Fucking riddance. Magnus and Ahriman are two self obssesed egomanicas pieces of shit, and thats them being annoying on 40k levels. I am waiting with a smile on my face to when Russ fucking back breakes Magnus
stray crystal
Man the Cain books are so ancient Necrons use the warp to Teleport
hybrid turtle
halloween is mentioned in eisenhorn
I like that in eisenhorn its always mentioned what theyre doing on new years eve and hold a little celebration
static star
Has anyone read Deathworlder and is it any good
static star
OH
tall phoenix
its not terrible
but like its mostly:
- Walk around jungle
- Get Mcguffin WMD
- It gets destroyed
- Entire journey was pointless but protags survived
like so many 40k books
brittle tapir
- Entire journey was pointless but protags survived
friends we made along the way?
tall phoenix
LITERALLY.
static star
Thanks @tall phoenix
static star
Any recommendations on Sisters of Battle Novels?
tall phoenix
- Book of Martyrs (good collection of short stories)
- Mark of Faith
- The Rose At War / The Rose in Darkness
royal egret
its not terrible
Unironically I think this review is way too generous.
tall phoenix
LOL
static star
Pilgims of Fire any good?
tall phoenix
Pilgims of Fire any good?
TLDR: ||A book with a lot of potential that needed a strong editing for writing, plots, and pacing. 1 out of 5 - would not recommend.||
tall phoenix
wide mica
unborn merlin
Any recommendations on Sisters of Battle Novels?
James Swallow’s Faith & Fire and Hammer & Anvil are pretty solid too.
Faith & Fire is about two sisters going on a witch hunt to find a runaway psyker and Hammer & Anvil follows the same characters but they fight Necrons on a tomb world.
Emma Gregory absolutely kills it in both books if you’re into audiobooks.
tall phoenix
MINTHARA MY BELOVED
leaden acorn
Yrliet my beloved
unborn merlin
tall phoenix
royal egret
Mfers saying “would” when she’d barely be willing to hold your hand
hearty niche
Wait, does she do voices of character in Caiphas Cain books?
The general?
IT IS
I knew her voice was familiar when playing that game
severe trail
She does a lot of audiobook stuff
mellow knot
James Swallow’s Faith & Fire and Hammer & Anvil are pretty solid too.
I admit to having a soft spot for Hamner & Anvil because I got to be in the dedication ❤️
unborn merlin
I admit to having a soft spot for Hamner & Anvil because I got to be in the dedi...
I remember you telling me about that. It’s honestly a fun book so consider me super jealous lol.
I’m glad you recommended it 
static star
How is Steel Daemon?
abstract laurel
Anyone read Genefather? I've been wary of much of the post-Cicatrix main-character books, but the premise sounds interesting.
static star
Anyone read Genefather? I've been wary of much of the post-Cicatrix main-charact...
Think I remember seeing on here or somewhere it was decent, but I may be completely wrong.
tall phoenix
Anyone read Genefather? I've been wary of much of the post-Cicatrix main-charact...
Its very much a setup for the next Cawl book but its like a TV show episode if i had to describe it, short, concise and has fun characters.
hearty niche
i have decided that i will write my own short story introducing my own order militant
it´ll be so cool
cerulean peak
The best part about reading the HH books is that I can finally listen to Ian and Mira's book reviews without spoiling myself
tall phoenix
Their reviews are so great.
frigid osprey
i watch em and dont read the HH books
tacit raft
sure, especially Yugren's socks
tacit raft
xD
shy lark
I feel like if you read one Ciaphas Cain book you've read them all
They came across as so samey I stopped a few in
tall phoenix
Nah that is entirely correct.
Every single book follows the same formula
if you read em while taking breaks its better but if you read em back-to-back they are an absolute slog
woven chasm
Finally finished Dominion Genesis. Not super meaty, but had lots of neat things to keep me happy as an Admech fan.
Also it was the Forge Synod, not Holy Synod 🤓 . Finally able to thumb through your spoiler notes. I don't see this noted on either of the wikis so probably gonna do it myself.
severe trail
modern parcel
Any good Orky reads i might've missed outside the big uns?
woven chasm
Anyways Dominion Genesis ||has me hating beil'tan who ruined any entire forge world and all my precious admech babies who have never done anything wrong in their lives.||
spring canopy
Gaunts Ghosts = Best series imo
modern parcel
Gaunts Ghosts = Best series imo
I was gonna hit these after eisenhorn. good to know.
spring canopy
I was gonna hit these after eisenhorn. good to know.
Genuinely love them, I want a Tanith First tattoo
modern parcel
Trilogy thus far right?
spring canopy
Trilogy thus far right?
There are like 16 total books I believe
The omnibi are in order: The Founding, The Saint, The Lost, The Victory pt1 and The Victory pt2
There is a fifth arc planned but it’s not released yet
severe trail
Anyways Dominion Genesis ||has me hating beil'tan who ruined any entire forge wo...
Beil'tan gaming
abstract laurel
There is a fifth arc planned but it’s not released yet
Don't forget the accompanying Sabbat Worlds Crusade books - the Iron Snakes ones and the Phantine ones
The Phantine ones give strong "battle of britain" vibes and are pretty much the only full novels dedicated to air warfare
woven chasm
Also are there any good Biel'tan books to understand them better?
strange knot
I heard it was funny
Like it's written from the perspective of his inquisitor friend with benefits
wise oyster
Like it's written from the perspective of his inquisitor friend with benefits
If there weren’t benefits it’d be an abuse relationship since Amberley almost gets Cain killed a dozen times.
stray crystal
Like it's written from the perspective of his inquisitor friend with benefits
Kind of, it's his perspective and she adds a bunch of stuff to it
Cain tends to not give a shit about the wider happenings if it doesn't affect him
spring canopy
The Phantine ones give strong "battle of britain" vibes and are pretty much the ...
Yeah, haven’t read them but I will soon
abstract laurel
If there weren’t benefits it’d be an abuse relationship since Amberley almost ge...
I mean, thats just called knowing an Inquisitor :p
wise oyster
I mean, thats just called knowing an Inquisitor :p
Yeah but getting sent in suicide missions kinda sucks when ur trying to live.
abstract laurel
Such is life in the Guard
stray crystal
Gotta uphold that heroic reputation
forest spruce
Just finished the great work. Now time to decide what to read next
Thinking warboss or dev of baal
frigid osprey
this is a great one from Jord, goes a lot into the behind the scenes stuff for writing for BL
one main takeaway from this is sometimes authors are told to write about something but also told not to go into any detail otherwise they'll upset the studio team...which explains some things
mellow knot
one main takeaway from this is sometimes authors are told to write about somethi...
Yep. Can confirm.
frigid osprey
how frustrating!!!!!
"sorry, you cant do your job as well as you want, you're not allowed, tough shizz"
royal egret
That’s what being commissioned for work is.
Definitely sucks sometimes but hey it’s a job, getting paid.
brittle tapir
from my experience with commissioning, telling an artist to do a worse job is like asking them to shoot their foot. straight blasphemy
mellow knot
"sorry, you cant do your job as well as you want, you're not allowed, tough shiz...
Or sometimes you’ve written something and the studio decides to change stuff without telling anybody, rendering half a book inaccurate now.
hybrid turtle
Reading book 2 in the Yarrick series and was wondering wether i missed something that caused such a strain between Yarrick and Seroff on mistral or was it something that took place in the years between the books
Because wow he really is bitter to him and i dont remember yarrick like screwing him over or anything
subtle briar
what space marine battle book should i read first
tall phoenix
Anything that strikes your fancy tbh
they are all short but pretty varied
its kinda up to the reader
unborn merlin
Was there a chapter that you had in mind?
remote glacier
Or sometimes you’ve written something and the studio decides to change stuff wit...
Yeah I think that's the reason why
They're paranoid for like
Future retcons and shir
mellow knot
When you play in someone else’s sandbox, you have to play by their rules.
remote glacier
True
Also because like
They don't want the book writer to go crazy
Then GW wants to release a new thing
But then some nerds are like
"Uhm askhually, book #8 of horusus sus: The Heresying says that's not possible"
And then they have to retcon that
I think Ian Watson's books were mostly if not all
Just
Decanonized
mellow knot
For the most part, we all connect pretty closely if we have to encroach on non-documented canon
vivid swallow
I had a quick book question for the first horus heresy book. How was samus able to talk to loken if samus was born from loken being killed
mellow knot
My immediate reply is Eternalism, but I play too much Warframe
drowsy urchin
I've played almost a 1000 hours of Warframe and I've missed Eternalism being part of it entirely 
although I had a 5 year break recently and kinda glossed over all the lore stuff in the missions released after
but yeah, warp doesn't care for linear time
everything is, has been and will be at the same time
tall phoenix
I had a quick book question for the first horus heresy book. How was samus able ...
Simple answer:
- Nobody plotted this far ahead because these books were written to be a short series AKA this is just a plot hole
vivid swallow
Oh okay. I didn't know if it was a time thing cuz the warp doesn't experience time in the same way or something
tall phoenix
Lmao yeah nah the 30k team is not that clever
because this series started in 2006 and ended in 2023, no fucking way they planned any of this shit.
It was basically suppose to be like 6 books before GW went "wait we can milk this"
vivid swallow
60 books is a lot for anyone to plan ahead that far
tall phoenix
Yeah its made up as it went along
vivid swallow
Awesome, good to know. So it was just added way down the line that he was born from lokens death?
drowsy urchin
They definitely didn't plan it but I don't think it's a plot hole either when it is very clear that time isn't solid when warp comes into account
tall phoenix
the entire reason the Warp is inconsistent is to allow for writing loopholes
so i guess, but still pretty dumb
tall phoenix
Awesome, good to know. So it was just added way down the line that he was born f...
But pretty much yes.
vivid swallow
Yeah, anything can be explained by time distortion
tall phoenix
Yeah here you can tell Samus only appears because Abnett went "hey cool daemon"
abstract laurel
I still cant fucking believe it went on for 60 books
By book 10 I was like "are you kidding me, we're not even anywhere close to Terra yet"
abstract laurel
Lmfaooo
tall phoenix
Then you get to Siege, and they gotta do another 10 fucking books. Holy shit these people eat this slop like pigs
"Omg i cried when Biggus Dickius had to fight against 1034920 Sons of Cuckrus and WON, I CLAPPED"
And im allowed to me mad because I read this garbage.
abstract laurel
I'm just mad that the quality is so variable
But you can't skip the core books because you NEED to know the character continuity
Otherwise you're like how the fuck did this jackass teleport across the galaxy
"oh he opened a hole in space time with magic knife"
Watch them milk the Scouring for another 60 books
And then primarchs prequels for another dozen
tall phoenix
Oh no yeah they absolutely will milk it, the 30k brand rn needs to stay relevant.
abstract laurel
Yup. Especially as they expand LI.
(and 30k too, I guess)
It kinda felt really intentional, the shift to primaris and the big game system changes (ie AP going from a threshold to subtractive value) while HH kept the old rules system. Seemed like they wanted to shoe horn the bittervets into whaling more on 30k while making 40k more digestible for newbros for that market share.
Now they gotta move those no-longer-newbros to 30k
tall phoenix
Its very hard to guess but I would not be surprised if that was the case either lol
because people forget how much GW plans this shit in advance.
wise yew
imagine they make a new book called the beginning of the end and it's just more filler
abstract laurel
But then black library forgets how to plan
mellow knot
I've played almost a 1000 hours of Warframe and I've missed Eternalism being par...
I mean… it’s a core part of the current lore drops!
drowsy urchin
oh all the 1999 stuff?
well now that I think about it a bit more than just "gotta get through this mission to unlock all the current end game content" yeah I can see that
mellow knot
oh all the 1999 stuff?
Everything from Angels of the Zariman onwards, really.
drowsy urchin
Right, makes sense
mellow knot
But I’m a sucker for the WF lore so am just a nerd.
drowsy urchin
Last time I played before returning to the game was around the time Plains of Eidolon and Orb Vallis were released so back then there really was no proper story to speak of and since then it has ramped up quite a bit but I kinda just speed past it to catch up to the end game content
and I didn't really care for The New War if I'm being honest so I found it a bit difficult to start caring more after it
mellow knot
Whispers in the Walls is superb
drowsy urchin
but anything related to the Stalker and Hunhow has been interesting
yeah that was the best one out of the later quests
mellow knot
I’m really looking forward to 1999
Also, I’ve dragged this massively off-topic, my apologies
drowsy urchin
the new area that came with Whispers in the Walls was also the best addition to the game in a long while I feel
mellow knot
the new area that came with Whispers in the Walls was also the best addition to ...
Gods, yes, even if running netracells is torture
drowsy urchin
I actually forgot about that game mode and have not tried it yet
mellow knot
Its difficulty dialled up to 11.
drowsy urchin
Sounds great
mellow knot
(But seriously, anybody who’s never played Warframe absolutely should play it)
drowsy urchin
the game's great, but the new player experience isn't the greatest nowadays what I've understood, you'll need to look up a lot of stuff and it takes a moment to get really going with the systems in place
but afaik they are improving on that
wise yew
the game's great, but the new player experience isn't the greatest nowadays what...
i tried it out of a friends recommendation but boy
I felt like an Ant trying to understand warp physics
drowsy urchin
yeah and the foundry timers don't really help
wise yew
yeah and the foundry timers don't really help
Yeah like after I got my hands on rhino I decided to dip, the amount of things i try to understand didn't help me
drowsy urchin
mmhm
but if you manage to push through the initial confusion it does get really good
I hope DE will improve on the new player experience soon because I feel the 1999 update will attract a lot of new people
wise yew
I hope DE will improve on the new player experience soon because I feel the 1999...
i genuinely wish to try it again but man i do not feel like it, so counting on them on that
mellow knot
They’ve done a lot of changes to the new player experience with the latest update
A lot
drowsy urchin
oh that's great
wise yew
They’ve done a lot of changes to the new player experience with the latest updat...
oh for real?
might have to look for a time to get back into if the the opportunity comes up
topaz plinth
new players will never experience the original class system
royal compass
joining WH book chat
talks about Warframe
abstract laurel
>joining WH book chat
>talks about Warframe
I was very confused for a moment too lmao
mellow knot
I know, I got carried away. I am deeply sorry or something.
hearty niche
Man the warhammer dwarves are great
hearty niche
Really love Felix’s reaction to the absolute absurdity of them
hearty niche
Just finished "Hereticus". The ending was so-so but the Eisenhorn trilogy overall was excellent.
abstract laurel
Just finished "Hereticus". The ending was so-so but the Eisenhorn trilogy overal...
You'll be happy to know that the Ravenor series picks back up in quality
Same with some of the shorts that were released after
I don't remember if it was the Eisenhorn trilogy but IIRC Dan Abnett said that he had been rushed to finish the series, hence why it finished on a bit of a weaker note than it started out on
shell coral
Just finished "Hereticus". The ending was so-so but the Eisenhorn trilogy overal...
finished it yesterday myself, really liked the trilogy but yeah the way it ended was a bit dissapointing
humble wasp
Completely unrelated to any ongoing conversation here (and one that no one asked for lol), I bought a paperback copy of Echoes of Eternity. Mostly because I loved Sanguinius' speech so much that I wanted to keep a physical copy of it on my bookshelf.
shell coral
nice, i really wanna start the horus heresy and siege of terra novels but it's a bit overwhelming how many there are
abstract laurel
nice, i really wanna start the horus heresy and siege of terra novels but it's a...
Gotta start somewhere :p
The early books were some of the best
so
If that's any incentive
hearty niche
finished it yesterday myself, really liked the trilogy but yeah the way it ended...
I kind of hoped that ||Cherubael would have just killed Eisenhorn. It would have been the perfect comeuppance.||
brittle tapir
i dont agree with people who say that eisenhorn is a good entry to 40k
dan's imperium is very detailed but it's so different from other authors who just focus on grimdark
it gives the false impression that most authors worldbuild like dan does which i dont think is true
royal egret
it gives the false impression that most authors worldbuild like dan does which i...
That’s why it’s good
It has a lot of world building and shows how wildly different the imperium can be
Most books are very narrow in scope
And don’t do that
shrewd silo
Any one know if book 13 of guants ghosts salvation's reach is gonna be rerecorded with Toby longworth?
shrewd silo
nice, i really wanna start the horus heresy and siege of terra novels but it's a...
First 5 books are great and should be read in order.
After that it's kinda just a mess of random shit.
Like some of the books are really great but I read 26 of them and only like 10 are worth in my opinion
shell coral
I kind of hoped that ||Cherubael would have just killed Eisenhorn. It would have...
see, i like that it ends with him ||turning heretic, just wish it didn't feel so rushed in some parts||
shell coral
First 5 books are great and should be read in order.
After that it's kinda just ...
probably hard to maintain consistency with how many different authors worked on it
shrewd silo
It feels like they had a plan with the first 5 and after that it's just all over the place.
It's not to bad but it's kinda annoying since it's just so disjointed
And you end up with some books like battle for the abyss that are shit while others like nemesis are great fun.
severe trail
It feels like they had a plan with the first 5 and after that it's just all over...
that is in fact what happened lol
Heresy was only meant to be 10 books originally
sour socket
And you end up with some books like battle for the abyss that are shit while oth...
So you are saying that Battle for the Abyss is shit? Damn, I just started that
sour socket
Was it boring, or did you just dislike it?
I wanted to follow the Word Bearers storyline im the HH now, and I guess that the next two I plan to read are considered pretty good (Know no fear and Betrayer)
shrewd silo
Bit of both but it just felt generic with no one really interesting to follow.
Does have loyalist world eaters and TS
unborn merlin
So you are saying that Battle for the Abyss is shit? Damn, I just started that
It’s considered a notoriously bad book by most of the fandom lol.
It’s essentially bolter porn but sometimes it’s okay to eat junk food.
The ending is also pointless since ||the Word Bearers just have more ships anyways lmao.||
abstract laurel
It’s essentially bolter porn but sometimes it’s okay to eat junk food.
Isn't all of 30k pretty much just bolter porn?
tall phoenix
Pretty much.
Like I will say as a person that absolutely hates 30k; it very much like any fandom/prequel/mid-portion setting has its awesome bits. But it absolutely gets Marvel-wanked a bit because "Holy fuck Sigismund killed Childblowupius Hordakillakon and 5000 of his men!"
royal egret
Isn't all of 30k pretty much just bolter porn? <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
There’s plenty of great writing in the book and conversations and what not
Generally the least memorable stuff is the duels and shit tbh
abstract laurel
tall phoenix
but yeah like the majority of 30k is just... mid
there is some gems but largely its just slop
One of my favorite books Know No Fear is from it so im biased
paper maple
Yeah it has a lot of good highlights
but i do not blame anyone for not wanting to go through most of it, its highs and lows are way too seperated
tall phoenix
Ye again it just has way too much mid stuff for me to care, i went through like half the series before kinda giving up
and skipped to Siege
abstract laurel
I was quite a fan of Titandeath - you don't get much quality engine war writing in 40k.
But I'm also biased since my favorite part about Epic was the titans
tall phoenix
Lol yeah the titan books are not bad either
mostly because of descriptionary giant robot stuff its great
it just gets a bit boring after like
the 1094050th Imperator explosion
paper maple
KEK
abstract laurel
yeah
paper maple
Man they cant catch a break
tall phoenix
big robot must blow up
abstract laurel
I just feel like the "warlord with titan close combat weapon doing the glorious suicide charge that takes out an enemy bigger than it" plotline has been done... way too many times now.
abstract laurel
Even Storm of Iron had it, and that was an early titan writing book!
IIRC the Titanicus comic did too
abstract laurel
Yeah but 40k isnt known for its creative writing
Yeah, I mean, to be fair, how many heroic deeds can you really perform when you're a hundred meters tall and move slower than a rock tumbling through molasses (ok the speed bit is a joke)
tall phoenix
Yeah after a point its just eh
titans are like watching godzilla movies
big fight is cool but you gotta sprinkle in some other shit between
abstract laurel
Yeah, or the Pacific Rim movies lol
abstract laurel
Still makes for entertaining watching though, if you're not looking for deep storylines lol
wise yew
theres a reason human characters exist lol
as a godzilla fan i hate how this is real
I want to see the kaiju's but we need reasons or something for them to fight or how the giant monkey can get his hands on an Infinity gauntlet
tall phoenix
Yeah when you get too much monster-fights it verymuch gets boring
i hate to admit it too but i only realised this once i was like 20 lol
wise yew
Yeah when you get too much monster-fights it verymuch gets boring
yeah in the third movie they did this brilliant segment where it's just Kong being a very expressive monster and it's very ******* fun but yeah humans are needed for plot reasons because we need to anchor ourselves to something
simple karma
yeah in the third movie they did this brilliant segment where it's just Kong bei...
That scene of just Kong exploring the Hollow Earth was peak cinema
No dialogue and yet I knew everything that was going on
sour socket
It’s considered a notoriously bad book by most of the fandom lol.
Oh okay
I guess I need to go through some mid/bad stuff before getting to the good stuff, like Betrayer or Know no Fear
tall phoenix
Shoulda known better.....
lethal valley
I dont see the comparison between Sharpe's and Gaunts Ghosts as as heavy-handed as people make it out to be...
is it just because I'm watching the show rather than the books?
wide mica
Gaunts Ghosts does have less Sean Bean than is desired
lethal valley
They kill off enough people, to make up for it
tall phoenix
I dont see the comparison between Sharpe's and Gaunts Ghosts as as heavy-handed ...
Its extremely similiar.
To the point that Abnett literally said "This is just Sharpe in Space yes"
the stuff they copy the most is usually the inter-officer dilemma and the Ghosts always coming out ontop while everyone looks down on them which repeats a lot in Sharpe too
royal egret
It’s not gonna be a 1:1 cause you know the setting is very different but it’s the core ideas
It diverges a lot after the earlier books anyways but the basic original gist was sharpes in space
abstract laurel
I dont see the comparison between Sharpe's and Gaunts Ghosts as as heavy-handed ...
What's Sharpes?
lethal valley
Good british napoleonic movie series
abstract laurel
Ahah
lethal valley
16 movies, on 5 now, so far good
abstract laurel
are they pulling a 30k?
tall phoenix
TO BE FAIR
Sharpe is legit a great series
every episode is like 1h long but the plots are fucking spectacular
abstract laurel
alright, I gotta add this to my watch list then lol
Oh it's got Sean Bean
Why didn't someone say so sooner? (I'm kidding, I know it was mentioned earlier)
tall phoenix
LOL yeah my bad, hes like at his best there
oh wait you knew dam
But yeah id suggest watching up to Waterloo, its the series finale, theres some future episodes but its after the Napoleonic Wars and is kinda whatever
abstract laurel
I mean I'll probably just binge it all LOL
in typical me fashion
Been looking for quality TV shows recently, thank you all!
severe trail
Sharpe is peak fiction
tall phoenix
stuck fossil
Hey can anyone help me out? I'm trying to remember which book has a POV from a dreadnought and uses the specific phrase "the (something) moved, the corpse twitched" when talking about the dude inside the robot. I think it's from one of the Horus Heresy books and pretty sure it's from Siege of Terra, I just don't remember which one.
tall phoenix
Yeah its hard because almost every Siege book has some dreadnaught character/POV lol but thats good
humble wasp
For the, perhaps, more seasoned Warhammer 40K reader out there: Does anyone have the Rafen and Ventris Omnibi? And how would you say they compare to one another? (and I know there are two Ventris Omnibi)
I've been meaning to pick them up, having never read any of the books in either collection (I was a wee lad when the books in their omnibi were first published but wasn't into 40K at the time, not knowing they even existed haha) and wish to know which collections and their books are objectively more enjoyable.
royal egret
For the, perhaps, more seasoned Warhammer 40K reader out there: Does anyone have...
In general I consider the Rafen omnibus pretty trash
It’s also debatably canon, a lot of insane shit happens which the people involved never mention again. Same with Rafen never being mentioned since.
Ventris stuff in a good though
And when I say insane stuff, that’s not a good thing insane
humble wasp
It’s also debatably canon, a lot of insane shit happens which the people involve...
Makes sense, considering I've never seen a Rafen mini (maybe there is one, I dunno) or heard of any of the characters ever appearing or mentioned elsewhere as you wrote 🤔 . Meanwhile, the Daemonculaba sounds like it has turned into it's own enduring meme. But, of course, with all memes it's hard to tell if the memetic value is from something genuinely likable or if it's being parotted because it's disturbing in a so-bad-it's-good way.
royal egret
The meme of the Daemonculaba aside the Ventris books are just solid, there’s a reason there’s like seven of them or whoever
Same with Ragnar
The Rafen books jump the shark hard and do a lot of goofy stuff, and just aren’t every good imo
And more importantly, they don’t reslly matter for modern lore. GW seems very intent on ignoring them which they don’t do for the Ragnar or the Ventris books
humble wasp
Perhaps one could say it was a...fat shark heh. Bad jokes aside, I'll certainly keep that in mind about the Ragnar books as well. It also seems Uriel Ventris himself seems to be a generally likable character?
royal egret
I would say it’s one of the stronger character series
There’s a reason it went so long
humble wasp
Indeed, makes sense in many respects
verbal widget
has anyone read the Sons of the Emporor Anthology?
fiery canyon
Does anyone know and recommend a good book that has a creature or daemon stalking the protagonists?
digital saffron
Are you okay with audiobooks
leaden acorn
Which is a better read: dark imperium or son of the forest
drowsy urchin
son of the forest
forest spruce
Son of the forest
tall phoenix
Son of the forest
unborn merlin
Son of the forest
iron ore
hijo del arbol
sour socket
syn lasu
shrewd silo
Does anyone know and recommend a good book that has a creature or daemon stalkin...
I liked nemesis a lot but don't know if it's what your looking for.
burnt olive
Son of the forest (I have an excuse to read/listen again, lol)
hushed kindle
Does anyone know and recommend a good book that has a creature or daemon stalkin...
Might not be quite what you're looking for but Legion of the Damned. Through the book the protagonist keeps seeing a damned legionary that no one else notices
wide mica
Does anyone know and recommend a good book that has a creature or daemon stalkin...
The Martyrdom of Sister Ishani from the Book of Martyrs
tacit raft
@fiery canyon might be Atlas Infernal by Rob Sanders, instead of deamon there is another monster, Ahriman
light gale
Haven’t read any of the books before and I’m at a Barnes and noble and I saw Eisenhorn The Omnibus by Dan Abnett
Is that a good book to start with?
light gale
Ok
hearty niche
I have so far really enjoyed "Grey Knights" by Ben Counter. It's a book that seems to get little attention from the community.
tall phoenix
welcome to most mid 2000's 40k books
they can be great but nobody remembers they exist
hearty niche
Seems people focus on Horus Heresy and little outside of that.
hearty niche
Is that a good book to start with?
That is what I started with. Finished it a few days ago.
shell coral
Eisenhorn was pretty good, also where i started
Only read the first one so far but the sequel trilogy of ravenor seems really good so far
hearty niche
Gaunts ghosts and the tanith soldiers are actually a lot cooler then i thought they’d be
Slow steady and stealthy assaults is weird when the guard usually just throws mass bodies at things
I like it
topaz plinth
what should i start reading galaxy in flames, ahriman omnibus, fall of cadia, infinite and the divine or son of the forest
i got them all but havent gotten round to reading any yet
sour socket
Infinite and the Divine is sooo good
Galaxy in Flames is also pretty good
And I haven't read any of the other ones
safe plover
can dan abnett PLEASE write books in english?
i thought it was just my problem because english is my second langauge
this dude is putting in random words in other languages into his books because muh "foooture muh grimdark""""
tall phoenix
this dude is putting in random words in other languages into his books because m...
If you think this is bad you have seen nothing yet
hes such a dickhead when it comes to random ass word implementations
safe plover
i hate it so much
tall phoenix
I was reading the final Heresy books and instead of just using the word "blue"
he just...
uses the ancient egyptian term for lapis lazuli???
the fuck???
safe plover
LMAO
tall phoenix
YEAH IM NOT JOKING
safe plover
im glad to know im not the odd one for hating his writing style
tall phoenix
Yeah hes a Harvard graduate
so he has that "dick" personality when it comes to just
using random ass ancient synonym words
safe plover
It just means valley like chill out bro close down the google translate tab
no one asked
drowsy urchin
these are perfectly normal words used in english though, they've just derived from the mentioned languages
every language has words derived from other languages
like you could get similarly pissy about the word mesa which derives from spanish yet it is used in english to describe a specific geological formation
safe plover
i have never heard wadi being used in common speech in the english language
its really douchy imo pulling up a dictionary to use some random word that someone 200 years ago heard from some foreign merchant on a boat
tall phoenix
its very much him being a know-it-all yeah, he does this a lot in his later books and its just pretentious.
drowsy urchin
wadi is pretty out there sure, but lapis lazuli is definitely not, very common and often used just to describe a specific tone of blue
leaden acorn
If possible, dan abnett will use the exact hexcode shade of blue
tall phoenix
wadi is pretty out there sure, but lapis lazuli is definitely not, very common a...
its not lapis lazuli
its the fucking ancient egyptian term for it
legit one of the parts that made me throw the book to a wall, the pretentiousness is insane
And wadi is very much NOT that common enough to be recognized by most readers, they would absolutely google what it even means.
drowsy urchin
This one? Sure then I get the irritation
wise yew
a Harvard graduate and a Warhammer Writer?
that is one devious combination i'm not gonna hold you
safe plover
@tall phoenix
"(now rare, historical) A pasha. [16th–19th c.] "
RARE
HISTORICAL
bruh
i know the turkish word "pasha" i know the derived arabic version "basha".
how am i supposed to know a thrice derived archaic word thats not even used anymore?
its fucking pasha in english.
bashaw prolly comes form the pural form in arabic which would be bashawat which somehow lost the T making it double plural in english
tall phoenix
i know the turkish word "pasha" i know the derived arabic version "basha".
how ...
Also yeah entirely agreed, like if it was "old" version of a word id get it, but he uses ANCIENT versions of these sometimes and its just so head-up-the-ass.
royal egret
Tbh I don’t really care much when he does that because he does it in a way you can figure out what it means by the context anyways, I kinda like learning new words this way.
It’s pretentious sure but I don’t think he does it in any way which takes away from the book, I generally just look up the word cause I wanna know what it is.
If you’re gonna have unconventional prose and stuff I prefer it be a way that the reader still knows what you mean and can figure out what the word means by the context.
unborn merlin
Hey, at least he doesn’t spam the word gestalt whenever he can…right? 
unborn merlin
Sir, this a Horus Heresy book.
tall phoenix
Tbh I don’t really care much when he does that because he does it in a way you c...
Cool. Still stupid
wise yew
Sir, this a Horus Heresy book.
i know but i didn't expect my expectations to be lowered even more
uneven crane
Looked like bro had a stroke mid way through the paragraph and that word came out as a result
royal egret
Hey, at least he doesn’t spam the word gestalt whenever he can…right? <:anguish:...
You’re gonna make my choler rise.
Gonna be smelling ozone after I’m done.
leaden acorn
Dazzling voltaics, that startingly pure skibidi-toilet blue
Is how i read that
Dazzling rizz, that startling pure skibidi-toilet blue, accumulates in His palm and coil between His finger-claws, jumping like Quandale Dingle. He lets the gathered fanum tax go.
royal egret
wise yew
Dazzling rizz, that startling pure skibidi-toilet blue, accumulates in His palm ...
I would have hit you with a chair if i could for that sentence alone
hearty niche
can dan abnett PLEASE write books in english?
Gene Wolfe moment.
cerulean peak
Gene Wolfe moment.
Based pringle man
errant meadow
So i'm barely getting into warhammer 40k & want to know the books i should read ?
mellow knot
So i'm barely getting into warhammer 40k & want to know the books i should read ...
Check the list in pins.
hearty niche
So i'm barely getting into warhammer 40k & want to know the books i should read ...
The "Eisenhorn" series is probably one of the best, but we have had this discussion before.
finite phoenix
So i'm barely getting into warhammer 40k & want to know the books i should read ...
Horus Heresy
To understand most references
And keep you warm for the next 3 years
tall phoenix
Do not EVER get into the Horus Heresy as a "intro" into 40k
its entirely its own thing, a rough basis of the Heresy is most crucial stuff you need to understand current 40k
paper maple
Seconded. Its fine on its own but its an awful entrypoint
wise yew
yeah no
if you get into heresy you better be very patient
because there is alot and a good chunk of it is filler
drowsy urchin
being a total newbie to the setting yeah naw, but if you are very much familiar with the setting as a whole and know your stuff but you want to get into the actual books for the first time I don't think the Heresy is the worst option to start from
royal egret
It’s not made for new people yeah, it assumes you have a pretty heavy understanding of 40k and a lot will be lost on you if you don’t
leaden acorn
Pick a faction you think is cool, read one of their books and then let the autism consume you
tall phoenix
^
Picking a faction you like then expanding your horizons from there is usually the safer bet.
frigid osprey
I'm scrolled way up but Wadi is a fairly common loan word
Can't excuse the lapis lazuli thing tho, lol
- it looks stupid on the page
tall phoenix
LOL
unborn merlin
It was just as confusing while listening to it tbh.
tall phoenix
Its even worse imo
since you:
Pause
Re-listen
Go "the fuck does that mean"
iron ore
**Do not** EVER get into the Horus Heresy as a "intro" into 40k
I got my friend into warhammer (he knows nothing about warhammer, just a scifi fan in general and a reader) and have him on book 4 of the heresy currently
I told him he has to read through horus heresy before getting to 40k, it's really fucking funny
finite phoenix
I think the HH is a great way to get into war 40k. Some books are harder to read than others, but it was enjoyable for 80% on my side. Picking a faction to start reading is really bad imo, so many references you will just not understand.
For example, the Beast Arises series is a mess if you didn’t read HH before.
severe trail
Beast arises in general is dogshit
lol
Like
genuinely some of the worst books written ever for 40k
wise yew
Beast arises in general is dogshit
as an ork fan
facts
the beast series in general is just
nah
finite phoenix
Is this the purpose of this subchannel? Complaint about most books being shit to sound edgy?
I liked both HH and The Beast series
tall phoenix
"Sound edgy"
its literally a widely accepted fact that HH isnt a good intro for 40k and the Beast series is shit.
Also there's more to 40k than HH/Beast, saying "most books" is crazy lol
Ironically one of the few points where the 40k community unanimously agrees
unborn merlin
I feel sorry for any poor souls that decide to dive head first into the HH with no context.
wise yew
yeah like 100%
it's not something you should use as a warhammer entry
wide mica
Issue with starting with HH is that it doesn’t actually have that much bearing on modern 40K
tall phoenix
Yeah it basically effects more or less nothing unless you are interested in side-characters who basically end up being just nothing in modern 40k.
wide mica
It’s like saying “I wanna learn about Turkey” and someone handing you a history book about the Byzantine’s
hybrid turtle
Thats what ive been saying but my friend insists that the horus heresy effects like everything
tall phoenix
I mean... KINDA?
Like it basically is the excuse for why the Imperium is the way it is to some extent but... thats kind of it?
Like you can literally sum up "why is the Imperium so segregated and seperate" just by going: "well when the Heresy happened half the imperial institutions joined Horus and dragged their navy/army/marine comrades with them into the fold so Roboute being the only dominant primarch post-heresy split up the branches.
There, done lol
Also I guess "Horus got chaos-juiced and crippled Big E after an anime duel after Big E also assblast-vaporised him"
Badabing badaboom, also done
cerulean peak
You forgot the part about how everyone is doing the opposite of what the emperor wanted
And he's stuck in veggie state
tall phoenix
Whoopsie
but yeah the issue is the Imperium is literally no different from what it is in 40k in 30k, its just more religious and thats basically it.
wise yew
Thats what ive been saying but my friend insists that the horus heresy effects l...
Bro has not read about the war in heaven
cerulean peak
^
hybrid turtle
he did but he got very confused on what krorks are
cerulean peak
It's true that everything was fine... until the necrontyr attacked!
wise yew
he did but he got very confused on what krorks are
.....
Krorks
Orks
hybrid turtle
well hes been mostly like watching lore videos
tall phoenix
he did but he got very confused on what krorks are
THEY ARE LITERALLY JUST BIG ORKS
oh no
wise yew
HOW THE ZOG
tall phoenix
hybrid turtle
hes very invested but hes got some strange views on things
hybrid turtle
had to have a long conversation with him about the ork power of belief
wise yew
had to have a long conversation with him about the ork power of belief
Please don't tell me he thinks it breaks reality
or bends reality to its will
hybrid turtle
he did think krorks could like blow up planets by thought lol
wise yew
he did think krorks could like blow up planets by thought lol
aight that's it
Suplex him
hybrid turtle
i keep recommending infinite and the divine to him....
hybrid turtle
i gotta get him to like the guard more than space marines....
cerulean peak
It doens't work, Dilara
wise yew
i gotta get him to like the guard more than space marines....
of course he likes space marines
tall phoenix
Nothing wrong with that.
wise yew
Nothing wrong with that.
nothing wrong it's just that it seems that
tall phoenix
But if thats all you get out the setting then yeah its a bit boring
wise yew
they just pay attention on only marines and ignore the lore of everything else
cerulean peak
Everyone I introduce to warhammer consumes youtube content and sends me tons of most basic reddit 40k memes / coomer stuff after 2 weeks
wise yew
cerulean peak
I have indeed corrupted them... just not in the good way
wise yew
I was like that once before i read books
me too i thought AOS was like garbage apparently because people keep saying it was but it's like Godly and peak
tall phoenix
i gotta get him to like the guard more than space marines....
Probably my top recommendations.
Right is prob the better choice since its pre-Rift 40k
Fall of Cadia is REALLY good (also has Trazyn) but needs some homework pre-studying in some aspects lol
cerulean peak
+1 to fifteen hours; simple story and book for anyone and it highlights well the imperial machine fuck ups
wise yew
Probably my top recommendations.
are the orks in Fifteen hours like treated as an Actual Threat?
cerulean peak
Well there's propaganda around how the humans are "winning"
hybrid turtle
Probably my top recommendations.
i should read these too sometime, still on the yarrick omnibus
cerulean peak
"The average guardsman lifespan is 15 hours 🤡🤡"
tall phoenix
That statement actually came to be real btw
cerulean peak
Oh well
tall phoenix
the meme of this book applying to the entire Guard actually got picked up by the writers and applied to 10th edition rulebook