Wait why did someone try and ping me?
#40k-book-club
uneven crane
glass sparrow
Getting pinged whilst they are replying to someone else comment, ain't that some Tzeentchian mind fuckery
uneven crane
It wasnt even a ping, they just wrote it down as if they were going to ping
remote glacier
I think Cawl's works are more like
Being able to be more easily reproduced
Which is what the Imperium needs more
glass sparrow
The point I made about Dreadnaughts was a rather important one. before Cawl and the Primaris, the venerable Dreadnaughts of a chapter were not just weapon platforms for their wounded veterans, but also living relics and totems the chapter could call upon for wisdom and to rally around in times of need. The new Dreadnaughts were not designed to sustain the host for eons, they were designed to give them a chance to fight and kill and die for the Emperor one final time by wreaking the highest toll they could from their enemies.
You cannot have a Primaris live in a Redemptor Dreadnaught as long as Bjorn the Felhanded has lived in his Dreadnaught, the machine taxes their bodies way to much for that.
unreal vault
Which is why I found it weird that the red scorpions decided to inter there former chapter master in a leviathan
Which I think proves that the fluff on that is loose and will depend on the character that gets inturred
glass sparrow
I can think of a few reasons why he got shoved into a Leviathan, and one of those is so he can beat the shit out of Huron the next time they meet.
unreal vault
to shove him into a levi
I like to think the biggest scandal an sm chapter to have is to have a dreadnought die of natural causes and not in battle
royal egret
Which I think proves that the fluff on that is loose and will depend on the char...
The fluff basically always says "sometimes"
brittle tapir
Which is why I found it weird that the red scorpions decided to inter there form...
HH lore is pretty direct about leviathan dreads rendering people especially insane too lol
it's genuinely pretty annoying how we never get to see space marines die of natural causes given how we know they age and it would be so easy to add a little lore blurb
remote glacier
it's genuinely pretty annoying how we never get to see space marines die of natu...
Tbf it's probably because most of them die because of simply
Getting shot
Stabbed
Etc.
They literally battle 75% of the time minimum
royal egret
They also don’t die from disease or old age easily
Disease it’s basically always something acquired in battle from an enemy
They’re weapons, in a galaxy with unending war, it would be weird if they did with how resilient they are
remote glacier
They also don’t die from disease or old age easily
They fought the Hrud, which literally aged SMs to death
But I think one got up to 3000 and was still able to fight
royal egret
easily
remote glacier
Just in a lot of pain
royal egret
They’re not immortal but they got up to like 10,000 years and survived
Also it’s unnatural aging weapons
remote glacier
It makes it funny that Daemons would offer immortality to SMs
Like
Why would they need it?
royal egret
They mostly just offer power, immortality is more that they “can’t die” for them
remote glacier
Yeah ig that's true
drowsy urchin
it's moreso possibility of life after death, being reborn of the warp after corporeal death
remote glacier
Okay so, correct me if I'm wrong but generally death in the 40k verse goes like this.
Baseline humans. They just fade away in the warp.
Psykers. Get eaten by Daemons and then fade away. If they're powerful enough, they could actually make their own afterlife. But most aren't.
Chaos Worshippers. Get absorbed into their respective God(s).
Eldar. Get eaten by Slaanesh. Used to be able to reincarnate beforehand.
And Tau. Also fade away similar to baselines.
remote glacier
Everyone mostly just dissipates
Even Chaos worshippers that die? Like a CSM.
royal egret
The more powerful and resonant a soul the longer it lingers and maybe sticks around
remote glacier
I thought they just get absorbed tbh
royal egret
Even Chaos worshippers that die? Like a CSM.
Generally marine souls are more resonate but yeah
remote glacier
The Emperor occasionally takes souls. But only if they're actually useful to his Great, Unknowable plan
royal egret
Sometimes, we don’t know really
It doesnt come up much
And most of the sources aren’t the most trustworthy
Titans and knights seem to absorb their princeps and pilots souls
remote glacier
And most of the sources aren’t the most trustworthy
Nah trust me. If you're pious, the Emperor will ascend you and give you a burger
royal egret
Some do it seems but we don’t know
remote glacier
To be honest, personal headcanon is that it depends on which shard/How he's feeling.
drowsy urchin
the concept most often brought up is the suffering of recently dead souls in the warp being ravaged by the beings in it
remote glacier
Due to him basically being a bunch of soul pieces constantly chattering over each other. Some only take those that are useful.
Some try to help as many souls as possible
royal egret
Generally it doesn’t seem very cash money, also it’s not clear what the difference of being absorbed by the Emperor would even be
remote glacier
And some don't participate and do other things
At least Celestine seems to be mostly there
She still has to crawl back from what's basically hell everytime she "dies"
But she seems to have maintained most of herself
remote glacier
the concept most often brought up is the suffering of recently dead souls in the...
Lovely
That's probably why a good amount of people sign up for chaos tbh
If you're gonna suffer. Might as well take the path that has the miniscule chance of ascending into something greater
drowsy urchin
I doubt most are even aware of the fate waiting in the warp tbh
remote glacier
Except that 99.99% of people who do usually have some horrific fate even worse than death
Chaos Spawn moment
remote glacier
I doubt most are even aware of the fate waiting in the warp tbh
I think the CSMs actually do know
Especially the word bearers
Do not quote me on that tho
Either way, being a blank is probably the best because you probably won't get eaten when you die.
Probably
drowsy urchin
they probably do but CSM hardly make the most of the people whom have chosen chaos
remote glacier
I don't even know if Blanks even have souls or
An anti soul
The rules are extremely unclear on them tbh
I always theorized that it was a mutation similar to how people became psykers
Or maybe a failed measure to try and contain the damage during that period
"Psykers fucked up everything so let's make humanity anti-psykers"
tall phoenix
I don't even know if Blanks even have souls or
Blanks don’t have souls
Its their entire deal and this has never been debated.
royal egret
It’s an in universe theory that they have anti souls, it is debated.
Just a lack of a soul doesn’t create the effect they have and the fact that some are more powerful also throws it all off. It’s not something we know one way or the other but there definitely is multiple in universe theories.
tall phoenix
It’s an in universe theory that they have anti souls, it is debated.
The base rule is they have no souls. Most authors dont pay attention to the anti soul debacle because blank lore is a mess and most people dont care that much about it aside from the basic premise around it.
More or less everything you said here has another blank character going against it
it simply doesnt matter
royal egret
The base rule is they have no souls. Most authors dont pay attention to the anti...
Nothing about what blanks do in other books disproves the idea that they might have some kinda anti soul as opposed to being soulless and their nature in the setting isn’t understood still, stuff like some being stronger or weak blank signatures and ways to amplify it and focus it pushes more the idea if anything.
Yeah it doesn’t matter because nothing matters in a fictional setting but it hasn’t “never been debated” it’s literally presented as something which isn’t clear to people in the setting and is studied with multiple theories, many of which aren’t provable really.
tall phoenix
Nothing about what blanks do in other books disproves the idea that they might h...
It very much does lol. Blanks are meant to be soulless creatures, the earliest material concerning them literally says this stuff but that water has gotten quite muddled over the years thanks to several stories by Abnett involving Blanks that lose their Blank-ness, or who can control it with technology among other things yada yada. The core idea of it remains clear nonetheless
It doesnt matter because its literally just what the authors stretch to make it their own idea at this point so yeah its not debatable due to its inconsistency
royal egret
Abnett is responsible for most of their popularity and expansion of their whole concept in general especially for newer lore, and we’ve seen a lot of those same concepts brought over, Culexus being able to turn off or amplify their aura for example or SoS being able to focus it and weaponize it further, you can ignore it or headcanon it or whatever but this is literally canon lore that people who study it in universe, with no clear answer, have theories of its nature and it’s not clear one way or the other.
It doesn’t matter what the rogue trader original idea was when we learn new stuff, it’s like saying the original heresy lore is still what matters when we have the books which expand on it and add more.
Especially since it’s clear that not all blanks are created equal in their effect.
paper maple
It very much does lol. Blanks are meant to be soulless creatures, the earliest m...
So its basically both you and what he said?
tall phoenix
Im gonna be honest i forgot about the argument already because my lunchbreak was over when i sent my last messages
paper maple
unreal vault
Abnett trying to not be the one of 2 decent writers in 40k challenge
remote glacier
Abnett trying to not be the one of 2 decent writers in 40k challenge
Abnett makes good shit in general tbh
Both in and outside of 40k
Apparently he wrote for Alien Isolation (the video game)
royal egret
Is that the one where he traps them in the ice?
tall phoenix
It made me look at the delder slightly better in terms of writing
Its about as much of a dark eldar novel as it is a space wolf one
both factions also "winning" their respective goals makes the book even better imo
one of my favs
forest spruce
the real winner was the laughing god
slow pilot
Even though the dawn of fire books are underwhelming I think its extremely important to read avenging son to understand where the primarus marines come from
Also first time you meet alpha primas
A lot of recurring characters are introduced in that book
digital saffron
Also first time you meet alpha primas
I think Great Work and Pariah Nexus both predate Avenging Son in terms of Alpha Primus being there
tall phoenix
yeah i disagree a bit because as much as I joke "book bad" a great majority of Dawn of Fire is just not good.
At best they are mostly "eh"
royal egret
First two are good, after that it falls off
slow pilot
is this how big the knights were in kingmaker?
severe trail
is this how big the knights were in kingmaker?
That’s a titan
slow pilot
That’s a titan
always get confused between the 2
severe trail
It is what it is
slow pilot
was the leviathan a knight or a titan?
slow pilot
i want a real one not a mini
severe trail
*cawl might be a heretek*
forest spruce
I've been able to justify most of his actions but using Goldilocks to describe a planet that's just too far
slow pilot
cawl could shoot a person in the face then try and convince you he didn't do anything wrong and get away with it.
remote glacier
dude breaks every law in the book
To be fair Cawl is right in that you do need to throw away some caution to progress
And it has gotten results
Volkite pistols, improvements to SMs, and even two new armor sets
At the same time though
He's completely reckless and nuts
forest spruce
Id say he's loyal to the imperium but he's a heretek
remote glacier
The only reason why the Mechanicus haven't tried to execute him is due to
A) His position
B) His objective improvements over the Imperium's technology and industry
C) The Mechanicus are as well organized as Gorkamorka
slow pilot
To be fair Cawl is right in that you do need to throw away some caution to progr...
Cawl is always right 
severe trail
Volkite pistols, improvements to SMs, and even two new armor sets
Volkite pistols already exist
slow pilot
Cawl can do no wrong
remote glacier
Volkite pistols already exist
Yeah but he made some new ones.
That are
Basically the same as plasma pistols
severe trail
Not really?
remote glacier
Cawls neo volkite is just more producible
Tbf it's much better than
"We have no idea how to make this anymore"
severe trail
It’s S5 AP0 D2
severe trail
Tbf it's much better than
"We have no idea how to make this anymore"
They do know how to make volkite
It’s just not producible in the quantities that people want
The mechanicus just hordes it for personal use instead
remote glacier
I think some Volkite stuff is lost tho
severe trail
It is not
remote glacier
Fair
severe trail
It wasn’t an issue originally
But it became an issue since demand went up even more
remote glacier
It wasn’t an issue originally
So Neo Volkite is just a shittier but more reproducible version
severe trail
And production went down because, volkite again is costly to make
Complex
And finicky
remote glacier
Neo Volkite Rifle when
severe trail
So Neo Volkite is just a shittier but more reproducible version
Yeah
forest spruce
Isn't the art to make power weapons mostly lost too
remote glacier
severe trail
Isn't the art to make power weapons mostly lost too
No
The art to make a specific type is
forest spruce
Not many people know how to make them anymore
remote glacier
Yeah
I do kinda wish Chaos used Volkite more.
I get it doesn't make too much sense because
Chaos does not take well to sensitive machines
severe trail
We know there’s warp infused volkite
remote glacier
But it would be nice seeing as most of the Marines alive in 30k are Traitors
severe trail
That uses warp stuff as a power source
severe trail
But it would be nice seeing as most of the Marines alive in 30k are Traitors
This isn’t true either
Tbh
remote glacier
That uses warp stuff as a power source
That sounds sick
remote glacier
This isn’t true either
Well since 30k*
But why not
severe trail
Not many people know how to make them anymore
Yeah, only a specific group within the mechanicus specializes in their production heavily
remote glacier
I think the only loyalist that still remembers 30k is Bjorn
Even Dante is "only" around 1.5k years old
forest spruce
There's also the loyalist word bearer deadnaught too right?
remote glacier
Yeah, only a specific group within the mechanicus specializes in their productio...
Logistically that is terrible
But since it's 40k it makes complete sense
severe trail
There's also the loyalist word bearer deadnaught too right?
Yeah
remote glacier
Of course they want to have a monopoly
severe trail
Logistically that is terrible
But since it's 40k it makes complete sense
It’s more of a specific sub group
Only artisan orders do it
Fabricators don’t mess with power weapons much
Because it’s “an art”
remote glacier
Yeah but like
If the Artisan Ordos get wiped out
Oops there goes all the methods to make power weapons lma-
severe trail
There’s a ton of artisans still
They aren’t in that much danger
They’re just one group within the huge number
remote glacier
Because it’s “an art”
I honestly like how some weapons are handmade.
Like it shows how archaic the Imperium is.
Also the fact that a part of my 6 year old self giggles when I hear
"This thing is artisan made"
forest spruce
Also there probably records on Mars, since most priests have to share there discoveries with holy mars
remote glacier
"Forged for 20 years"
Type of bullshit
For some reason I can't help but love it
Even if it's kinda stupid
Although I question how Bolter Shells manage to get made lmao
severe trail
most magos and archmagos know how to at least make a basic power weapon
mostly since they have to give Omnissah Axes out
remote glacier
Like Bolters are handmade
Which is fine
But apparently their shells are too?
Which doesn't make sense even in universe tbh
Do you know how much Bolter Shell porn there is? There is no way Bolter Shells are handmade
severe trail
Tbh
there's a lot of slaves
lol
also shells aren't all hand made
iirc
its only the really nice ones that are
remote glacier
So like the ones the Grey Knights use
Or like specialist ones
Makes sense
Ig the ones that are mainly used
Are made via industry
While the special shells and shit are handmade
Yeah that makes more sense
forest spruce
Grey knight shells are hand made because they don't have a lot of factory space on deimos
Or is it Phobos idk rn
topaz knot
Or is it Phobos idk rn
It's on Titan
forest spruce
It's on Titan
No it's not. Titan is the moon the grey knights live on, but it's not where their gear is made. Malcador moved one of mars moons to Titan to act as a miniature person forge world for the sigilites legion.
forest spruce
Ah yes just the obscure lore I was looking for
tall phoenix
forest spruce
Deimos is like 7 miles in diameter jfc
tall phoenix
yeah it has art too hold on
damn no mfer posted it online
but yeah its like how it is IRL
just has some mechanicus forge-rings/structures on it
forest spruce
There are ships bigger than this rock
It also might be wider in diameter now because they probably stacked a mile of factories tall on it
tall phoenix
yeah and its smaller size makes sense since its entire purpose is to supply one Chapter of special marines
cerulean peak
Is there a sororitas blood farm on Deimos
tall phoenix
remote glacier
Is there a sororitas blood farm on Deimos
Did they ever decanonize that stupid bit
I hope so
cerulean peak
Only if they decanonize the heart carving thing on Morty 🙂
severe trail
Did they ever decanonize that stupid bit
It’s been gone for a while
remote glacier
It’s been gone for a while
yey
tall phoenix
Yeah they changed it to something less insulting
Ward came to even say he wrote it that way to drive the point home that Grey Knights are awful people
before realising it was kinda dumb and he could have done it in different ways lmao
royal egret
Only if they decanonize the heart carving thing on Morty 🙂
I mean they made that story a lot better with the audio drama
Mortarion shreds through all the GKs leadership and Kaldor barely manages to bind him with his true name.
Now Chaosgate…..
tall phoenix
Its still fucking stupid.
lmao
they really performed a Space Marine 2 execution my homeboy
royal egret
Not really, it’s his true name, we’ve seen just as strong daemons get controlled with less
tall phoenix
Yeah really, its dumb.
royal egret
He carved him up a bit then banished him
tall phoenix
Also it happening before doesnt really make it any less stupid, hes a fucking daemon primarch.
the base version was arguable a lot worse
royal egret
Mortarion gets a lot of bad writing, that part isn’t one of them
royal egret
At least his defeat he gets to he cool and it makes way more sense than most of the others
royal egret
ıt being explained later doesnt really excuse it either
It was always explained that way
It was always his true name
tall phoenix
It was always explained that way
Its not about the true name 💀
tall phoenix
I mean no its not
tall phoenix
No its not
Them "barely" being able to win still doesnt again make it any less stupid.
royal egret
They had his killswitch that’s why they won
tall phoenix
royal egret
Hell they kill Angron easier arguably at Armageddon
royal egret
Ok so we’re just coping then
tall phoenix
Not really
royal egret
Like come on
tall phoenix
you are just being pedantic
"Oh them carving his full name into his heart is totally something that makes sense"
"because uh they had trouble doing it"
royal egret
I’m not, it’s literally his true name, you can summon these dudes and bind them with that, banishing is simple compared to that
tall phoenix
Im aware of what a true name gimmick is thank you.
Im talking about the entire thing itself lol
paper maple
Why are you two even arguing about something this dumb.
tall phoenix
royal egret
Because I’m right, that’s as big a trump card as you can get, it’s so silly to act like that’s not something you can do after you successful deploy it
tall phoenix
royal egret
How am I being pedantic?
tall phoenix
true but again thats most arguments with him
paper maple
yeah true but still
royal egret
How does that even apply here
paper maple
its just dumb, you two should just get over it
royal egret
We’re not arguing over a definition
paper maple
How does that even apply here
randomly mentioning the nonsense "true name" thing as if it even matters.
royal egret
We’re arguing over if it’s dumb or not
paper maple
shes talking about the event being dumb as awhole which it is
royal egret
Pedantry would be if we’re arguing over the phrasing of it or whatever
royal egret
Now I’m being pedantic see?
paper maple
yeah okay we get it
tall phoenix
bastard
royal egret
I’ve been enjoying it a lot
Also Acheran saying he’s gonna make the Tsons have Prospero PTSD they’re gonna kick their ass so hard is out of pocket
forest spruce
I got three copies of space marine for my squad
remote glacier
Ward came to even say he wrote it that way to drive the point home that Grey Kni...
I mean I get the reasoning but
"To defend ourselves against a Khornate Virus! We should bathe ourselves in blood!"
royal egret
Ok Mr Daemon expert, what would you do?
Huh?
Yeah that’s what I thought.
You’re probably the homeowner that fucked up his circuits and wiring when I go to their house and still sit over my shoulder telling me I’m doing it wrong.
remote glacier
Ok Mr Daemon expert, what would *you* do?
I know what I would not do
Murder my allies and cover myself in their blood
brittle tapir
You’re probably the homeowner that fucked up his circuits and wiring when I go t...
ok but are you sure you know which one is positive and which one is negative?
forest spruce
Your clearly supposed to drink the blood
slow pilot
left a lot in the air
it was nice to see cawl show hes still human
im at a crossroads
should i read the nightlord books, arkanauts or the fall of cadia
brittle tapir
it's good
very long though
why are all these books so big
are the writers paid by the word or something
tall phoenix
why are all these books so big
because its the fucking fall of Cadia
do you want an awful one like Cadia Stands instead
mellow knot
are the writers paid by the word or something
Nope.
sour socket
should i read the nightlord books, arkanauts or the fall of cadia
Arkanaut's oath if you're talking about it is really good
Maybe it isn't anything special, but I really enjoyed it, same with Ghosts of Barak-Minoz
safe plover
started listening to flight of the eisenstein on audiobook
its ok but i liked galaxy in flames and false gods a lot more
iron ore
why are all these books so big
Jay when the warhammer book doesn't include crayons
tall phoenix
LOL
unborn merlin
started listening to flight of the eisenstein on audiobook
The beginning is a bit slow but that middle half of the book when they’re stuck in the warp.
safe plover
The beginning is a bit slow but that middle half of the book when they’re stuck ...
makes sense im only 2 chapters in
unborn merlin
Stick with it, a lot of people love that book.
safe plover
ye i will
unborn merlin
(myself included)
solar bone
hearty niche
Wait, did Caiphas Cain kill a hive tyrant?
I remember reading about him fighting one in the books I don’t remember him killing it though
Especially after how scary they are in the marine game
drowsy urchin
iirc he didn't kill it but survived melee against one for a few moments
slow pilot
Arkanaut's oath if you're talking about it is really good
Maybe it isn't anythin...
Is it a good start for age of sigmar?
Big guy Haley fan
sour socket
Is it a good start for age of sigmar?
It was my start for Age of Sigmar, and I really enjoyed it
Drekki Flynt is a really fun character, and so is his crew, they provide quite good inside for Kharadron Overlords
Out of all AoS books I've read these two are probably my favorite
brittle tapir
still reading eisenhorn omnibus
barely spoilers below
fischig is a weird character
he's supposed to be an arbites but he responds directly to the leader of hubris's custodians
i'm guessing this book was written before arbites had much of a presence in lore
since he's treated more as an enforcer than an arbites
this whole first part, xenos, feels off
idk if it was early in abnett's 40k career but it doesn't read as well as the other stuff of his i've read
sometimes it's just hard to understand what is going on
like he'll describe an environment in a few details and then move on
but then some random structure in that environment is brought up out of nowhere
like where is this action even going?
the hardest part of the book to read for me was when eisenhorn first arrives to the planet with the corrupt nobles and gets attacked by rebel naval security
he ends up in the mechanism area of the docking collar of the ship he's on and it's super hard to understand wtf is happening
and the amount of ex machinas in this book is getting pretty tiring
eisenhorn getting himself in a shitty situation only to get saved at the last second
im at page 200 and it's happened like 6 times so far
at this point the book reads more like some one punch man type deal where i'm more worried about the people around him dying than the main character himself
because i just know eisenhorn will get away unscathed
that's all i have to say for now
spark adder
Anybody know that book about the guardmen retelling his life lived on a Tau world?
random marlin
I’m not sure, do you have more context?
brittle tapir
the interaction between trazyn and cawl
in fall of cadia
literally two nerds bickering
trazyn stealing random shit like the kleptomaniac he is
"this power coil is much too special to be in a simple servitor, it comes from X planet yadda yadda yadda"
"dont touch that servo skull you fucking skeleton"
tall phoenix
the fact that they outright for once actually show his kleptomania is hilarious
like he genuinely cannot resist himself lol
cerulean peak
It's not his fault, he has no soul
Also, is the fall of cadia book before or after the great work?
remote glacier
It's not his fault, he has no soul
Dude is literally soulless
Yet he's still a kleptomaniac
His tendencies literally transcends the warp and the soul
cerulean peak
Why doesn't he steals himself a soul then?
tall phoenix
Also, is the fall of cadia book before or after the great work?
Cawl was introduced during Gathering Storm more or less, all his books take place after the Rift.
His main aim is to close it
slow pilot
new black templar book coming
severe trail
The admech book isn’t even out for preorder yet
cerulean peak
Theres a new admech book?
severe trail
brittle tapir
https://eirehobbies.com/cdn/shop/files/https___trade.games-workshop.com_assets_2...
can i read it standalone
severe trail
can i read it standalone
Yes, just know about basic admech lore and how gryphone IV got eaten
Lol
brittle tapir
it's going to involve gryphonne IV? 
severe trail
Yes
wide mica
Yea pretty sure it's a standalone book with new characters
royal egret
https://eirehobbies.com/cdn/shop/files/https___trade.games-workshop.com_assets_2...
You just know he extends his name like that because John Beer would be way too funny and close to John Deer
hybrid turtle
Cool name though, straight up beer
sage gale
https://eirehobbies.com/cdn/shop/files/https___trade.games-workshop.com_assets_2...
is beer a new author?
drowsy urchin
relatively, he released this one last year and a couple short stories before it
heard that The King of the Spoil was pretty good, have not read/listened it myself
severe trail
is beer a new author?
he's somewhat new, but The King of The Spoil was insanely good
drowsy urchin
sell it to me
what's it about
I'm in the middle of Gotrek & Felix marathon but might drop that one in the middle somewhere before the end
severe trail
what's it about
its about a criminal power struggle where everything is going to shit after a major gang leader gets murdered. it takes place in some of the poorest and most run down parts of a hive city and very heavy on the much more underhanded politics of the Imperium. Its about the disenfranchised rising up in an attempt to climb out of the hellhole that is imperial life and how people take advantage of the vulnerable and disenfranchised.
The main pov characters are a knowledge broker working for a cartel trying to find out how the major gang leader got murdered, why they got murdered, ect. and a person low in society taking advantage of the situation and trying to escape the shithole life they've found themselves stuck in.
drowsy urchin
Sounds interesting thank you, will definitely check it out at some point
loud bramble
How’s the dark imperium trilogy or the dawn of fire trilogy?
tall phoenix
Dawn of Fire is extremely "ok"
most of the books are very much just boring or will lose your interest gradually
in some cases also just extremely dull
digital saffron
I read this as dawn of war for a moment
tall phoenix
I do it every single time
royal egret
The first two books are good then it sucks
So read those then forget about the series
The plot lines don’t get resolved in a satisfying way and the books suck largely after that or aren’t worth slogging to read
dreamy ledge
I do it **every** single time
I JUST DID AAHAHAHDHDA
tall phoenix
😭
cerulean peak
Fulgrim happens before Flight of the Eisenstein, right? At least it's not the sequel?
iron ore
Fulgrim happens before Flight of the Eisenstein, right? At least it's not the s...
they run parallel to each other
fulgrim happens during the OG trilogy and after IIRC
royal egret
Yeah
cerulean peak
Ahh ok! I'm looking for a good breaking point before going back to regular 40k books. I don't hate myself enough to go through the heresy all at once
covert gale
The Ambassador and Ursuns Teeth are best
tall phoenix
Ambassador is PEAK
woven chasm
where should I start to read all about cawl? Might reread Titanicus since I listened to the audiobook once forever ago
severe trail
where should I start to read all about cawl? Might reread Titanicus since I list...
The great work -> genefather
If you really want to you can read the first 2 Dawn of fire books
woven chasm
some good admech/cawl bits in the Dawn books?
severe trail
Uh you get introduced to alpha primus and you get some Cawl stuff in the first 2
But they’re not necessary
woven chasm
Primus is a good lad
unborn merlin
where should I start to read all about cawl? Might reread Titanicus since I list...
On top of reading those you should probably read Wolfsbane too.
People skip it because it’s an HH book but it’s technically a prequel to The Great Work. It’s part Space Wolves book part Cawl book.
There’s also a little bit of Cawl in the first Dark Imperium book.
frigid osprey
where should I start to read all about cawl? Might reread Titanicus since I list...
titanicus is awesome but it was way way before cawl came into the setting, and before most of the current admech lore
so it might seem kinda out of place compared to guy haley's cawl books for instance
(but also since titanicus is on a fringe forge world it doesn't really matter, it can just be them doing things differently)
woven chasm
Ya I just like admech/imperium politics, bit of a nostalgia/flavour read for admech rather than having anything to do with Cawl. Just itching for some good admech stuff after seeing that new admech book cover.
frigid osprey
its awesome for that!!!
woven chasm
I miss the 2014-2018 era where youtube would randomly suggest ripped 40k audiobooks that some rando posted to youtube that would get deleted after a few months.
shy crypt
Reading through all of the Horus Heresy in order, halfway through False Gods rn and boy... Abnett really is a spoiler for some of these other authors huh
brittle tapir
Reading through all of the Horus Heresy in order, halfway through False Gods rn ...
wdym
shy crypt
Abnett's writing is just so much fuller and more nuanced than some others.
Like Horus's characterization for example: incredible leader, burdened by power but fully committed to the cause in Horus Rising, calm and cool under pressure even as it builds. In False Gods he's flying off the handle at everyone, refusing the counsel of his Mournival in deference to Erebus for NO good reason, allows himself to be so obviously manipulated by Eugen Temba/Nurgle, it's wild.
I like False Gods, don't get me wrong, Abnett is just on another level when it comes to character development.
brittle tapir
i like galaxy in flames a lot probably because ben counter is so damn good at making incredibly epic moments
hearty niche
Good Grey Knights books?
shy crypt
i like galaxy in flames a lot probably because ben counter is so damn good at ma...
I'm not too far away from it, I'm excited to get into Counter! I've heard him, ADB and Abnett are the ones to look out for
toxic nebula
no mentioning/supporting pirating plz
shrewd silo
I'm not too far away from it, I'm excited to get into Counter! I've heard him, A...
Robert Rath is also pretty good
shy crypt
Robert Rath is also pretty good
i specifically made sure to pick up The Infinite and the Divine based off acclaim of Rath, honestly can't wait to get into it
so much good 40k content, so few hours in the day
slow pilot
pisses me off how guy haley gave such an awesome set up for dawn of fire then everyone else made it the most mediocre stuff ever.
im not reading the next because i cant bring myself to see Nick Kyme butcher inquisitor Rostov
remote glacier
pisses me off how guy haley gave such an awesome set up for dawn of fire then ev...
Literally just
The one guy trying his best in a group project
Vs the rest
mellow knot
Quite a chonky Humble Bundle this month for 40k lovers!
sour socket
Hell yeah, are those good books?
royal egret
Some are based off that first image
Deathwatch and Blood of Asaheim are great
So I enjoyed Eye of Medusa, Blood of Asaheim, Deathwatch, Shrike, Spears of the Emperor, the Urdesh book, Scythes, and Grey Knights
I haven’t read all those though
royal egret
The Salamanders ones were not good and the Blood Angels iirc I don’t enjoy
Red Tithe is also pretty good
sour socket
that cover certainly is something
royal egret
That whole trilogy is weird and sorta not even canon anymore?
The events of it aren’t referenced at all and they were super recent in lore and it contradicts some newer books
There’s a whole chapter civil war and stuff and Rafen the main character never shows up again
No one ever talks about it
And it was shortly before the 13th BC
Either way it’s not acknowledged and it’s just
Weird and dumb
mellow knot
One of my novels and a whole pile of my short stories are in that bundle, which is kind of nice. Hooray!
royal egret
Regardless I would say the bundle is worth it if you haven’t read most of those
brittle tapir
One of my novels and a whole pile of my short stories are in that bundle, which ...
which ones
mellow knot
Most of my Silver Skulls stuff in the various anthologies and also Portents (the novel)
brittle tapir
i'll be sure to read them 
mellow knot
Thanks 🙂
iron ore
That's a great bundle
I enjoyed the last warhammer budle they did
they also have a bundle for the shannara books which is pretty dope
cerulean peak
Most of my Silver Skulls stuff in the various anthologies and also Portents (the...
I have these bad boys upcoming in my reading backlog
slow pilot
Started the nightlords trilogy
Never read from the prospective of a chaos space marine other then dark imperium
Night lords are my favorite chaos chapter since they don't fight like normal space marines. Also I'm pretty sure they were all prisoners.
drowsy urchin
not prisoners, but mostly criminals though
mellow knot
I have these bad boys upcoming in my reading backlog
I have been honoured with some properly beautiful book covers.
brittle tapir
lmao the fall of cadia ending
"it sure would be a shame if an inquisitor like you were to be killed in battle by an enemy sharpshooter"
"what the hell are you talking about?"
inquisitor's head disintegrates from a hot shot longlas
"oh no, the inquisitor is dead"
tall phoenix
The best part is they can get away scot free because the entire planet blows up a minute after lol
so no evidence hombre
royal egret
The perfect crime
young bluff
can anyone recommend a cheap tablet/e-reader for PDFs?
brittle tapir
i finished fall of cadia
the author's afterword is interesting
he says he was inspired by the south korean war mentality and the emergency preparedness of his home hawaiian state
and most stories of war mentality like being a marine when 9/11 happened and being in hong kong when japan was invading
this might sound stupid but i thought black library didn't hire non english writers
anyways it's a great book
hard to follow with audio tho but that's not the fault of the author
tall phoenix
this might sound stupid but i thought black library didn't hire non english writ...
That would more or less be literary racism tbh
they hire as long as you can write well
tall phoenix
Finally got to the Yu-Gi-Oh! duel in the End and the Death Vol 3…
LMFAOOOOO
I love people who are like
"Its not as goofy as it sounds, read it"
uhuh sure buddy
tall phoenix
He was definitely on a lot of things
uneven crane
Finally got to the Yu-Gi-Oh! duel in the End and the Death Vol 3…
What were the meta decks being used?
severe trail
What were the meta decks being used?
Mystic mine mirror
uneven crane
Mystic mine mirror
Fuck, at least be Kashtiras or Snake Eyes
forest spruce
It was a mirror force deck
hearty niche
Cains frequent lying about himself caring about the soldiers he’s with (or lack there of) has gotten to me
I think he does actually care for the people around him and want them to live
He truly is a master manipulator lol
You can only con yourself as the hero saving the day when you really think your a coward saving your own skin so many times before you are just the hero
remote glacier
Cains frequent lying about himself caring about the soldiers he’s with (or lack ...
"You see, charging into the Ork Horde with only a Chainsword and Laspistol to save the squad of soldiers trapped there was necessary. I needed to uphold my reputation after all, and didn't want to out myself as a fraud. Despite the fact that I am a fraud."
I think the only time where he didn't actually give himself an excuse
Was when he went back to save Jurgen
shy crypt
aww he does care
unborn merlin
Almost finished with Vol 3. Keeble honestly kills it as Horus in this one.
scenic ruin
finite phoenix
The beast book with the ork moon trap finishing in a river of blood : OKAY!!
forest spruce
My coworker wants to read some space marine books any recommendations
hybrid turtle
Specifically space marines?
forest spruce
Yeah
tall phoenix
My coworker wants to read some space marine books any recommendations
We got some pinned in the chat
take a look
forest spruce
I'm not gonna make him suffer through dawn of fire like I am
tall phoenix
LMAO
forest spruce
I recommend him Lukas, devastation of baal, and red tithe
And for the chaos inclined lords of silence
tall phoenix
very good recommendations 🍷
forest spruce
I want him to read lion son of the forest but we'll get there
noble jungle
I wish there were more entries in the Warhammer Crime series. My favorite stories in the universe, providing interesting views of (mostly) civilian life. Other than some of the Eisenhorn stuff, I haven't found any 40k literature with similar themes unfirtunately.
severe trail
tall phoenix
severe trail
Mechanicus moment
severe trail
people would see this and call it "grimderp"
It’s not grimderp when there’s far more valuable things to save lol
tall phoenix
Oooh wait is this the new book?
severe trail
Oooh wait is this the new book?
Yeah
It is absurdly depressing at the start lol
Or I guess funny as shit
If you see it as the mechanicus getting what they deserve for being so evil lol
tall phoenix
Lmao damn alrigth i didnt know this was out, gonna go order it
digital saffron
How is it
severe trail
How is it
Good so far imo
It’s a joy to read if you love mechanicus lore
There’s a bunch of little things
severe trail
The holy synod of gryphone is so fucked/heavily reduced that there’s ||Skitarii Marshals on its council lol||
woven chasm
the new gryphone book good?
severe trail
Quite good so far
digital saffron
The holy synod of gryphone is so fucked/heavily reduced that there’s ||Skitarii ...
What's da Holy Synod
woven chasm
the people that run the ecclisarchy
tall phoenix
its the ruling body of the ecclesiarchy
yeah that
its from like 2nd edition but is mentioned here and there throughout lore
woven chasm
The religion guy on one of the permanent seats of the council of terra, or w/e it's called, is a member of the synod
tall phoenix
Yep, its a bit of a fucking mess to explain but thats kinda the point so lol
severe trail
its the ruling body of the ecclesiarchy
There’s l a different definition for mechanicus where it’s a ruling council of a forgeworld
severe trail
What's da Holy Synod
Council of magi/archmagi who are part of the ruling group of a forgeworld
digital saffron
Cursed
woven chasm
Quite good so far
So deos it take place before or after the bugs?
digital saffron
After
severe trail
So deos it take place before or after the bugs?
During + after
The intro is during the bugs eating the world, and there’s a 3 year time skip to the bulk of the story that occurs post great rift
Book Spoilers btw
So don’t click if you want to read it lol
||it seems the priests of the explorator fleet have only ever encountered Drukhari lmao||
||But they aren’t so stupid as to not know the difference, nvm they barely know the difference lol||
||oh the eldar involved are from Beil’tan, also they didn’t job so gj John Beers||
woven chasm
Ya I'm thinking I'm gonna try and find a pdf when some time passes
seems like something I'd like
Oh w8 I could just do an amazon free trial audiobook 👀
severe trail
Match made in hell ||Beil’tan eldar and the Adeptus mechanicus lmao||
Funniest thing is if it ||were any other craftworld this whole situation probably would have ended better for everyone involved||
Also first book to actually show off ||aspect warriors as like absurdly lethal, a group of 5 warp spiders pretty much kills over 200 skitarii, assorted tech adepts and guardsmen||
tall phoenix
Also first book to actually show off ||aspect warriors as like absurdly lethal, ...
BASED BASED BASED BASED
severe trail
BASED BASED BASED BASED
Anyways as someone who likes both ||eldar|| and admech this was a good book
Also I’m glad beers did some research and picked a ||craftworld that would make sense||
tall phoenix
Yeah this sounds promising, now i wanna read it even more, thanks Elite
severe trail
Oh also ||it’s revealed that the striking scorpions exarch from Beil’tan is behind leviathan eating Gryphone IV, and the reasoning is because he wanted to cause enough trauma to the explorator for her to go down this path, Leviathan wasn’t even going to interact with any Eldar planets or craftworlds 
this is a certified Beil’tan moment tbh||
Big spoiler
So don’t click, or do
tall phoenix
BAAAAASED
Cant wait for people to go "HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO ADMECH, THEY ARE PEOPLE OF VIRTUE" lol
severe trail
Cant wait for people to go "HOW COULD THEY DO THIS TO ADMECH, THEY ARE PEOPLE OF...
Tbh of all the people for it to happen to the mechanicus kind of fucking deserve it hard lol
tall phoenix
Yeah thats what i was talking about
digital saffron
Oh also ||it’s revealed that the striking scorpions exarch from Beil’tan is behi...
Can I perchance get a summary of the book
severe trail
Can I perchance get a summary of the book
||Hive fleet leviathan eats gryphone, explorator wants to restore the world she learns about The Genesis which is a relic that would allow for it. She looks for the rumored last place for information on it, she finds the ship in a space hulk and she salvages the data + a chunk of the relic. Explorator lady shows her findings to the Holy Synod of Gryphone, she gets told to hand it over, she makes a run for it and goes to the coordinates. She finds an Eldar Empire burial world surrounded by ruined imperial ships and covered in imperial wreckage, she lands on the planet with all her forces, finds data for the location of the Genesis before being ambushed by the Beil’tan war host. They talk for a bit the exarch shoots at her and her skitarii, the Beil’tan war host decimates the mechanicus forces and suffer few losses themselves. A wraith knight goes down along with a few wraith constructs, and a few aspect warriors. 3 of the 4 maniples are wiped out and the remaining maniple is mostly dead. The vostroyans are reduced to only a few left. By the time they get off world there’s only 73 people left. The ark mechanicus also gets fucked up by the Beil’tan fleet. But it’s barely repaired and they make a beeline for the Dominion Genesis.||
||when the ark mechanicus arrives the Beil’tan fleet is engaged in a battle with a necron fleet, The explorator teleports her remaining forces and herself onto the Dominion Genesis, there’s about 200 of them, they run into some Necrons which are trying to salvage the thing. They have many get picked off by the Warp spiders, eventually the remaining chunks make their way to the Genesis’s containment chamber, the Explorstor asks the exarch that they could work together, and achieve peace and figure out how to use it together between gryphone and Beil’tan. The exarch tells her to fuck off and tries to stab her, the explorator skitarii protector gets in a fight. Eventually the 5 warp spiders are slowly killed off between the hundred+ so skitarii, tech priests and vostroyans, by the end of it there’s less then 20 alive and the exarch is the last to die, getting shot while they’re finishing off the skitarii protector of the Explorator, she decides instead to destroy the Genesis out of both spite and grief deciding that gryphone IV can be rebuilt without it. The exarch is pissed off at her for not taking it herself and she leaves him to bleed out. This also angers an accompanying magos who tries to kill the explorator but the magos gets shot and his phosphex pistol explodes in his hands, there’s an epilogue with gryphone IV slowly rebuilding and the explorator feeling bad that she didn’t find an alternative to the situation but hopeful gryphone IV will rebuild slowly||
digital saffron
||Hive fleet leviathan eats gryphone, explorator wants to restore the world she ...
||The eldar is a prick, thankfully in character for Bieltan||
severe trail
||The eldar is a prick, thankfully in character for Bieltan||
Oh also it’s revealed ||he’s why gryphone got eaten by nids and he just did it out of spite + curiosity lol||
severe trail
||The eldar is a prick, thankfully in character for Bieltan||
Yeah I’m glad John D Beers chose properly
tall phoenix
severe trail
||the dude literally was mostly dead from fighting a ton of skitarii + her body guard||
||she just got a cheap shot in while he was finishing off her bodyguard||
severe trail
tall phoenix
ah well i guess it could be worse
tall phoenix
Bro im about to drone strike your ass i swear
severe trail
|| He and 4 other warp spiders kill over a thousand skitarii over the course of the book because the initial ambush wipes out a vast majority of the skitarii with the explorator||
severe trail
Bro im about to drone strike your ass i swear
Would your opinion change if it was like 5 chaos space marine chosen smh
tall phoenix
Would your opinion change if it was like 5 chaos space marine chosen smh
Depends on what Warband
you fuckhead
tall phoenix
Im gonna job you in a bit
severe trail
**WHAT WAS THE POINT**
||They wanted the Genesis to restore worlds||
And they didn’t want it to end up with ||the Necrons||
||They were literally fighting a 2 sided war between the Necrons and mechanicus||
tall phoenix
||They wanted the Genesis to restore worlds||
Wh-
GOD
Also i jus trealised
this is another fucking book
where they hunt a mcguffin
||AND IT GETS DESTROYED||
I LITERALLY JUST READ THAT WITH DAEMONHAMMER
severe trail
💀
severe trail
Wh-
||Okay it isn’t exactly “restoring” a world||
It’s more so like
|| creation of life shit||
||It’s not terraforming it’s literally remaking an ecosystem + environment from the ground up||
tall phoenix
Yeah I just kinda had enough after Daemonhammer
Coteaz spends like
the entire fucking book finding this Soulglass shit
then smashes it because heresy
tall phoenix
Yeah but its still the mcguffin hunt
severe trail
It’s more about ||them not dying horribly to exposure on the eldar burial world||
feral atlas
||AND IT GETS DESTROYED||
mcguffin ||are delicate , if you are not careful Plotium is released||
severe trail
tall phoenix
mcguffin ||are delicate , if you are not careful Plotium is released||
Lmfao
severe trail
It’s a good book I swear
Smh
I like both cwe and admech
I am unbiased
I swear
tall phoenix
sorry Elite you are a rat i dont trust you
severe trail
severe trail
But like the ||eldar warhost only loses 2 wraithguard and a wraith knight, and the wraithknight pilot + spirit stone absolutely survive because the cockpit isn’t harmed at all lol||
severe trail
This is excluding the void war
||Where most of the ark mechanicus is destroyed lol||
tall phoenix
I just find it kinda weird that ||they go through all that and she just survives with the message of they can one day rebuild the forgeworld tbh||
feral atlas
any suggestions for a good book to read ? i've only read Mechanicum: The Horus Heresy, Book 9
tall phoenix
Uhhh depends
severe trail
I just find it kinda weird that ||they go through all that and she just survives...
Yeah it’s kind of an odd ending imo
tall phoenix
what are you looking for, anything?
severe trail
But like meh
severe trail
||shame it’s Beil’tan lmao||
My point about this story would have gone infinitely better for everyone involved had it not been ||Beil’tan is accurate||
feral atlas
what are you looking for, anything?
I want to read about the golden age of W40K and about the height of the empire
about the good old days and how great the world was before Chaos
feral atlas
That sounds like Heresy, but i'm listening
tall phoenix
Uhhh jokes aside
you wont really get any of that
HH books suffer from the symptom of:
Authors just write it like its 40k
lol
feral atlas
that's why i started with book 9 when ||the let chaos into the world||
tall phoenix
To be fair chaos was present since Book 1
but yeah theres not really any exploration of the "golden age", every book is the Imperium being about as awful as they are in 40k.
feral atlas
yeah that makes sense
severe trail
||the max dead amount of Eldar in the book is 9 aspect Warriors 1 exarch and 2 wraithguard, all the aspect warriors spirit stones are retrievable. The Wraithknight doesn't fucking count because the cockpit is fine, so the pilot + the spirit stone are fine||
||the ammount of dead Imperials killed by the Eldar are like over 1000 Vostroyans, 99% of the members of the Ark Mechanicus crew + deployed on the ground. To the point there's only 200 Skitarii + vostroyans + priests left before the 5 warp spiders reduce that number down to under 30 lol||
pretty good fucking showing lol
drowsy urchin
Audible has a Fall sale and a good few Warhammer books are included for $6-8
Picked up two Cain books and Deathworlder myself
safe plover
i tried reading soul drinkers a bit because i wanted to read something about cool librarian space marines
it was so ||fucking mid||
first use of a staff was bonking
dude was fucking BONKING
tall phoenix
LOL
tall phoenix
😭 😭 😭 😭
cerulean peak
It's a force staff
Made to create blunt force traumas
Sarpedon is litterally the "I cast fist" mage archetype
(Plus some hellish visions)
But yea Soul Drinkers is underwhelming. Best part of the whole series is the mechanicus ruining things for everyone
tall phoenix
Also like wizards literally use their staffs as blunt weapons/conduits for their powers of attack all the time in media
guess Clad just couldn't keep up........
cerulean peak
Why waste your precious spell slots when you can bash your foes heads
tall phoenix
🙏
cerulean peak
I finished Flight of the Eisenstein and it is by far better than the first 3 books. I don't get the people praising the first books but saying FotE is boring. It's like saying you prefer bolter porn over some actual (basic) semblence of intrigue and plot
Also Horus is horribly written
cerulean peak
From Groomer to bad cartoon villain iteration
tall phoenix
LOL
cerulean peak
I can't wait for the end and death part 3 :^)
Surely his character must be developped!
sour socket
I recently started Flight of the Eisenstein and I still need to get hooked
Granted, I haven't really read too much of it, but still the fight with the jorgall can't really hook me
cerulean peak
The real thing starts when it comes to the Istvaan events
But the warp part is the best
tall phoenix
I can't wait for the end and death part 3 :^)
I cant wait for you to read the trilogy btw, genuinely the most jojo-slop shit ive read.
cerulean peak
I cant wait for you to read the trilogy btw, genuinely the most jojo-slop shit i...
I'll get there in a year or two
Now i'm back to regular 40k books. I'll alternate so I don't burn myself out on the HH
sour socket
The real thing starts when it comes to the Istvaan events
Kinda thought that it'll start there, but I guess that getting some character development earlier is better lol
cerulean peak
Started Deathworlder last night
sour socket
I'll probably read more when I start commuting to uni by train/bus in a week or so
cerulean peak
Kinda thought that it'll start there, but I guess that getting some character de...
Garro has character development indeed
And Mortarion isn't at all like his 40k iterations
That's like the third personality now i've read
I liked him in both FotE and lords of silence. In dark imperium he's a manchild ||worse than perturabo||
drowsy urchin
I started Heresy in Fall 2018 and I caught up on releases before Mortis came out in April 2021. So I kinda went hard on Heresy only for a while
cerulean peak
And i want to forget Chaosgate writing 💀
cerulean peak
I started Heresy in Fall 2018 and I caught up on releases before Mortis came out...
I only plan to read about half of the actual heresy plus the full solar war. I made a reading list and I culled a lot of the known worthless books and the ones about legions that doesn't interest me
It's still a lot of reading 💀
drowsy urchin
I only skipped Nemesis, Salamander novels and the anthologies except the first two
Though I should return to Nemesis
drowsy urchin
I'd say only Battle of the Abyss was not worth the time
unborn merlin
I might check out some of the short stories I missed down the road (apparently the two loyalist NL stories are fun) but I’m definitely done with the HH as a whole.
Don’t feel compelled to read all of them.
There’s a few Primarch books I wanna check out tho.
drowsy urchin
yeah those I should go thought as well, I've only completed two of those iirc
unborn merlin
I’ve read about half of them and the quality varies quite a bit tbh.
drowsy urchin
think I went half way through with Magnus' book and forgot about it and finished Lorgar's a couple months back
I was hoping for something more with Lorgar's tbh
I should find out which ones are good and only go for those I think
and Curze, heard people loathe it but I'm interested
unborn merlin
I liked the Fulgrim and Curze books a lot.
drowsy urchin
some über NL fans were not happy how Curze was portrayed in it but I kinda feel they're misinterpreting him in the first place
unborn merlin
some über NL fans were not happy how Curze was portrayed in it but I kinda feel ...
Mad cope tbh. I’m a NL simp4lyfe and enjoyed it a ton.
Those are probably the same fans that thinks dropping thirty thousand skinned infants from a drop ship to enforce compliance is actually totally cool and morally correct guys.
drowsy urchin
Mad cope tbh. I’m a NL simp4lyfe and enjoyed it a ton.
Yeah most likely this, I too enjoy my fair bit of NL and I'm looking forward to getting into it
safe plover
NO taste
book is fine so far
i just wanted some assail or voidstrike or trauma
hell id even take smite
cerulean peak
You have other psykers in the series
But sarpedon is special if I remember. He can only emit or something and he only use his special power
safe plover
😠
out of all the psykers i get the one whos power is to press special attack and block cancel really quick
cerulean peak
🙂
If you really want to go through the series don't read them all back to back. I did the two omnibuses back to back and it sucked
brittle tapir
But sarpedon is special if I remember. He can only emit or something and he only...
he can only make people see things
he can't read minds
which is a funny psyker quirk
cerulean peak
His power sucks
"What does my enemy fears"
Gorgoleon should have || killed him ||
brittle tapir
His power sucks
and the chapter has a whole gene seed quirk of having an enlarged organ for seeing people's memories from eating them
but in the first omnibus it's only used a single time lol
i love soul drinker books so much
i love when space marine books dont pretend to be super deep and thoughtful
cerulean peak
but in the first omnibus it's only used a single time lol
i forgot about the glands
I liked the short stories of ||Daenyathos||
brittle tapir
i havent read that yet
royal egret
Soul Drinkers is some wild lore
cerulean peak
My major dislikes are the ork book the one with the deldar and the whole fail with the recruits
brittle tapir
yeah that's the second omnibus which i dont like as much as the first either
royal egret
The aspirant trying to take over the chapter is hilarious and so goofy
brittle tapir
soul drinkers did do that to themselves by not doing psycho indoctrination
royal egret
The series definitely jumps the shark by the end even more than it does at the start
brittle tapir
i like the first book all the way to when they kill abraxes the greater demon of tzeentch
that whole arc is fucking amazing
royal egret
Yeah the early stuff is fun
cerulean peak
First two books I enjoyed. Third and fourth were a drag. Fifth and sixth plus short stories balanced the whole experience
brittle tapir
i feel like the soul drinker series suffers from a common black library problem of series being stretched way too long
meager orchid
Going to start reading some of the books :D starting with Eisenhorn Xenos
tender flax
Finished the End and the Death trilogy.
Overall I am glad the Horus Heresy is finally done, the end of Horus was rather well done, though having Garviel there and not killing him in the fight was a huge loss of opportunity.
Horus accidentally killing Loken would have been a far bigger hook.
hollow bloom
timber thorn
I'm finally starting the delve into the 40k book universe, almost done the first book in the Eisenhorn trilogy and I'm loving it
brittle tapir
I'm finally starting the delve into the 40k book universe, almost done the first...
if you're a dan abnet fan i recommend the gaunt's ghosts series
it's his take on a guard regiment
also the first horus heresy book is pretty nice
timber thorn
I don't know what I'm a fan of at this point honestly, first ever 40k book I've read is this Xenos one!
Probably gonna finish the first book of this trilogy and hop into the Horus Heresy since that seems to be the best place to start
Sadly I learned that after starting this one and I hate leaving books on the backburner
drowsy urchin
Heresy is not the best place to start if the lore and world isn't very familiar yet
It's fine but it's not 40k
cerulean peak
Probably gonna finish the first book of this trilogy and hop into the Horus Here...
I wouldn't recommend starting with the Horus Heresy.
timber thorn
Really eh? Damn I looked at like 4 or 5 guides and they all recommended starting with it because because it supposedly explains a lot of things that are mentioned in other series in the 40k universe
Idk how accurate that is though obviously
Eisenhorn was apparently a great place to start as well
cerulean peak
30k is a byproduct of 40k; not the other way around
The pinned recommended reading list is mostly accurate but i'd bar the HH.
Eisenhorn trilogy or Gaunt's Ghost or Cain series are good series
Otherwise, i remember beginning with one ofs books. There's plenty of good ones for many factions and they all add up to the overall worldbuiling
It's ok not to understand something in a book, the lore is so vast and nuanced (and often contradictory which is both a good and bad thing)
royal egret
Any guide telling you to start with the heresy is a shit guide
brittle tapir
it's common for 40k fans to start explaining the series with events that happened during the HH since if you have a good understanding of 40k it feels like the backbone of the whole setting
but in reality HH really doesn't have any impact on 40k events. you just have to know a couple of the primarchs and what the emperor is
timber thorn
Okay let me rephrase actually, the guide said to start the first 4 or 5 Horus heresy books
Idk if that makes it any better
drowsy urchin
was it about how to start Horus Heresy by any chance
because that's how you usually go about it
the heresy's first 5 books are in relatively chronological order where as everything after is not strictly in order
timber thorn
Nah this was just a guide for getting to 40k books in general
So just ignore HH for now?
drowsy urchin
yeah no need to rush into it
do it once you feel like it but you might be better off knowing a bit more about the current setting before dwelling into the prequel
My original dive into proper warhammer novels did start with Heresy but I was very well informed about the setting through rule books, codexes and general information soaking through internet and friends
but since then I've gone through plenty 40k novels too
timber thorn
What trilogy is a good start for space marines?
unborn merlin
I did it! I finished the End and the Death Vol 3! I’m finished with the Horus Heresy…
timber thorn
Thats kinda the direction I want to go towards next
timber thorn
Grats, did you enjoy it?
unborn merlin
Fuck no lol
timber thorn
😂😂
unborn merlin
Maybe like a quarter of it.
unborn merlin
And that’s still after skipping 12 books.
unborn merlin
How many are there total?
54 from the original run. 10 for the Siege. And that’s not including the Primarch novellas and short stories.
Anyways the End and the Death was hella mid.
Moving onto The Emperor’s Gift by ADB.
Feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders.
timber thorn
What's been your favorite series so far? In the 40k uni
unborn merlin
Uuuh
Night Lords trilogy for sure. Followed by the Fabius Bile trilogy.
They’re also my two favorite legions so that goes without saying.
timber thorn
Hell yeah
unborn merlin
Most fans will point to those two whenever talking about traitor space marines.
I also really adore the Black Legion duology.
timber thorn
Chaos Marines are so cool to me, is there a series that focuses almost solely on them?
severe trail
Yeah
royal egret
Chaos Marines are so cool to me, is there a series that focuses almost solely on...
Word Bearers trilogy, Night Lords trilogy, Fabius Bile trilogy, Kharn has a couple books, Abriman has like five now, Lucius has one, Lords of Silence is a Death Guard book
royal egret
There’s more too but those are some good examples
timber thorn
Night Lords was going to be next after I finish Eisenhorn anyways
So that works out
cerulean peak
Dark imperium trilogy is a relatively recent conflict and you've got ultramarines and death guard POVs
timber thorn
Ohh shit okay, might have to flip a coin to see whether I read that one or Night Lords first then
hybrid turtle
is dark imperium where they follow guilliman's revival?
cerulean peak
He's already revived but he's trying to damage control and just launched the Indomitus crusade
There are a few flashbacks to his initial thoughts on the modern Imperium and his "meeting" with the emperor
You also follow a newly defrosted Primaris so it helps to understand their whole schtick with the firstborn/primaris thing
timber thorn
Which one follows his revival? Should that one be read first?
tall phoenix
Uh thats in rulebooks
Gathering Storm, which you can fully read in the wikipage since they copy pasted that shit straight from the rulebooks
timber thorn
Lmfao ok
Is there anything that should like 150% be read first? Or does it not matter that much
cerulean peak
Depends on the faction / subject you're interested in. Anyways the overarching plot moves so slowly that I don't think it matters if you read books before/after the 13th black crusade
tall phoenix
Yeah basically until a few years ago 40k was a stagnant setting where any plot took place.
And before a massive rift tore the galaxy apart lol
its not much different now minus some main narrative events
hybrid turtle
yeah from what ive read so far most stories take place in their own little world so to speak
timber thorn
Sounds confusing 😂😂 I'm just gonna go with what interests me and I'm sure somethings will intertwine with eachother
cerulean peak
Most stories are isolated in their own thing and they all add up to the lore
And factions are so different from each other
tall phoenix
Sounds confusing 😂😂 I'm just gonna go with what interests me and I'm sure some...
Basically 40k since its inception didnt really have a main narrative, you basically had Black Library (the main writing department of Warhammer) just write stories that are set anywhere at any time.
There's been sometimes narrative events but its usually been very small scale planet-based stuff that dont affect the larger Imperium, its more or less always been fun side stories made to inspire fans and show the variety in the universe. Every Primarch was gone and the galaxy was stagnant.
It was only with Gathering Storm in 2018 or so that we got a super big lore push with the Era Indomitus, the Great Rift tore the galaxy in half, we got Guilliman (and now the Lion back) and now its still the same as before where
- Mostly you'll get side stories that dont do much with the main multiple plotlines in the setting
- But sometimes you'll get a small inch-forward of like something related to the main plotlines.
Otherwise thats kind of it.
This is super simplifying it for your sake though 
cerulean peak
Also, when does Deathworlder gets interesting?
tall phoenix
I liked the book but it was
ANOTHER
Go get mcguffin
Mcguffin gets destroyed
Entire plot is pointless
JUST. STOP IT
cerulean peak
I do like 10 pages and I lose consciousness
tall phoenix
I dont think its that bad but man 💀
cerulean peak
I just wanted to get a "recent" book off my backlog
To be fair, any books gets me asleep fast, I'm just overworked atm
royal egret
>Mcguffin gets destroyed
I think my biggest annoyance is so many of these books don’t need it
I don’t need a big super macguffin that I know won’t matter by the end because it’s some random book
tall phoenix
Yeah and its just the same thing EVERY fucking time
like I get it, the mcguffin is made to be too setting-changing so it needs to be removed
then just make it some small scale fucking thing or something instead
People in rulebook/side-content lore find STCs and reintegrate them back to shit all the time, so its not like that there isnt any precedence for this either.
hybrid turtle
especially in deathworlder they like to mention how this great machine could completely change the way they fight the tyranids so many times
tall phoenix
^^^^^^^^^^^^
royal egret
Or maybe don’t be such a coward and just have it work in the end. Fuck it.
It doesn’t need to actually be some evil corrupted thing or have to be destroyed or fail or whatever
hybrid turtle
yeah turned out it wasnt
tall phoenix
Yeah this happens in over like 50 fucking books
its actually hilarious in a way lol
hybrid turtle
they were 6 people and wanted to bring with them a machine the size of a building in like 1 ship too
royal egret
Well they do work out a lot