40k-book-club

[tall phoenix]

also honestly took them long enough

Gav posted the tease of the book/deleted almost 3 fucking years ago now

[unborn merlin]

Better late than never.

[tall phoenix]

aughhhh

[unborn merlin]

If the book does well GW can open the floodgates. The time of the diggy hole bois is now.

[tall phoenix]

honestly sells well or not we need votann books

[slow pilot]

gav thorpe wrote the only warhammer book i ever dropped

[unborn merlin]

Which one was that?

[tall phoenix]

[slow pilot]

wolftime

damn space furrys

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-jokes-laugh-very-funny-jokes-gif-8006636675585716814

[tall phoenix]

LMAOOOO

Wolf Time is peak "Nothing; the Book"

we had like 3 people here over the course of a year actually read it as they went "eh nah how bad could it be"

then a week later it was just "Man i should have listened"

[unborn merlin]

That sums up the HH pretty well funnily enough.

[tall phoenix]

lol

[hearty niche]

Wolf time sounds like a funny meme

That space wolf fans would say when the wolves do something

[slow pilot]

when i read the name gav thorpe i was like "why do i remember that name" then i looked on my shelf to see what books i read by him

[unborn merlin]

I think you mean “It’s Yiffing time!” - Logan Grimnar

[tall phoenix]

[wise yew]

You could have said a billion things

And you decided that

[unborn merlin]

I don’t know, I don’t play the Space Furries on tabletop.

[unreal vault]

Its not like its a new thing to call the, furries anyways

[wide mica]

I cried when Leman Russ said "I will return at the Wolftime and Wolf all over those guys"

[severe trail]

The Leagues of Votann are going to scream about how their ancestors have forsaken them and a railcannon magically bounces off of a rhino or something

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-emo-wolf-werewolf-transform-gif-27196401

[remote glacier]

All I can say is

This is going in the list of grudges

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-chad-chad-dwarf-gif-27635881

[wise yew]

Yeah you know what else went in the grudges?

The blood of thorgrim grudge bearer after he got killed because he forgot to lock the door

[severe trail]

the dataslate of grudges

[tall phoenix]

the blockchain of grudges

[hybrid turtle]

grudges_list.txt

[tall phoenix]

getting your pets books to read 🙏

[drowsy urchin]

32 Terabytes

[slow pilot]

shes very smart

[frigid osprey]

Dorfs Dorfs Dorfs Dorfs Dorfs!!!!!

[white hawk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIsWxIvL1sE

[forest spruce]

Finished kingmaker

[cerulean peak]

https://tenor.com/view/very-nice-excellent-yes-meme-nod-gif-17397471

Enjoyed the ride?

[forest spruce]

Very much so

[split acorn]

Brutal kunnin or kunnin brutal?

[wintry blade]

Anyone got any good non imperial books to read? I’m fresh out

[tall phoenix]

ever read William King's Farseer?

[wintry blade]

I don’t think so

[tall phoenix]

oh boy

A washed up rogue trader and a farseer/his bodyguard on an adventure to the eye of terror

written by the author of the Gotrek and Felix series

give it a try

[marsh delta]

So in "dead men walking" , the planet and her populous accidentally awaken a necron tomb, didn't they?

[tall phoenix]

Yes.

[cerulean peak]

Yes

The mining activities woke then if I recall

[marsh delta]

I'm currently reading the third chapter, it just sounds so much necron tactics I've seen used against me in DOW

[hearty niche]

The Cain books are fun

[hybrid turtle]

jurgen haiiiii

[forest spruce]

Reading Lukas the tricker

How old is Lukas even.

[severe trail]

decently old iirc

[remote glacier]

Yeah it's quite sad that Jurgen, in universe, is just ignored in everything besides Cain's memoirs

Like in the movies about Cain, he explicitly gets pissed because Jurgen wasn't there

Although if they ever make a Cain movie

It would be funny if Jurgen was never name dropped

Like it's an in-universe film

So Jurgen never appears

Or appears but nobody ever says his name or acknowledges him except Cain

[unborn merlin]

Probably doesn’t help that Jurgen is a special little guy with the ability to drive psykers crazy by just being in the same room.

[hearty niche]

He just smells that bad

[brittle tapir]

valhallans rule

very shitty book art on them though

like wtf is that stitched leather shit

[remote glacier]

Honestly if they ever make a Cain film

Cain himself should have two actors

One should be like

A 6 foot tall muscular man. Like the epitome of 80's macho man stereotype

And the other should be just a normal looking dude, with tired baggy eyes. And the commissar clothes fitting him poorly

The former should show up in POVs like Sulla.

The latter would be when Cain is alone.

Jurgen and Vail would also see the latter but cleaner and more proper.

[hearty niche]

I think gaunt or Cain would be good for a series

Not a space marine though

Have a marine show like Vader at the end of rogue one and everyone runs in terror

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-rogue-one-gif-24765879

[remote glacier]

Honestly I think a Chaos Marine should be fucking terrifying

Space Marines are already terrifyingly fast, strong, and intelligent

Now imagine one empowered with warp stuff, bunches of teeth and tentacles

Oh yeah and depending on the god

[hearty niche]

Still confuses me how a space marines juiced up on warp nonsense could lose to a regular marine

[remote glacier]

Either durable to the point where they're impossible to kill with anything short or a Meltagun/plasma (Nurgle)

[hearty niche]

Is it not just marine+?

[remote glacier]

Using sorceries that are past normal comprehension (Tzeentch)

Really violent, stronger, and faster (Khorne)

Or extremely skilled, drugged up, and also loud (Slaanesh)

Actually now that I think about it

Every Marine besides the Nurgle ones are drugged up in some manner

[remote glacier]

Three reasons

#1) plot armor. Yeah sometimes it's just this.

Apparently Marines can also choke an Avatar of Khaine also. Despite said Avatar being made out of metal and not being biological.

#2) They usually attack the chaos Marines in teams

They are stronger than your average marine. But not that strong to constitute like two of them. Unless if they're high up on the Chaos Totem pole like Abaddon or Typhus.

So normal Marines could just tag team them

Hell sometimes the Traitor Marines aren't too far in yet. So they're basically Marines with more spikes than usual

#3) A plasma gun will still fucking kill them. Most of them are still flesh and blood.

So y'know.

Fire a Meltagun til they turn to slag. Or two. Or three. Maybe 15 just to be safe...

Of course if they're higher up, this poses a greater issue. Also poses an every greater issue if they can use Psyker bs

It widely depends

Are they possessed by a Daemon? What god do they worship? How many "blessings" do they have? How high did they climb in the chaos totem pole?

How much of a protagonist is the protagonist

Stuff like that

Basically

If it's generic Black Legionnare #28278, they're basically the same as a regular space marine.

If they're possessed, they can wipe out an entire squad

[hearty niche]

I really like amberly’s editor notes in the caiaphas cain book

She would knowingly have left all of Cain’s embellishments of her and the long segments of him describing her beauty, but every time he criticized her she goes to defend it immediately

[hybrid turtle]

Girlbossing

[remote glacier]

Oh yeah also when Cain talks about his past flings, she gets pissy lmao

Like the Tech Priest

[sour socket]

I just finished Angels of Darkness by Gav Thorpe
It was pretty good tbh, I feared it a bit because I've heard that Thorpe is a bit hit or miss, but I've enjoyed it

[tall phoenix]

question

is this your first DA Gav book

[sour socket]

Yes

It's my first Gav Thorpe book

[tall phoenix]

Yeah then your perception makes sense.

It only gets worse the more you read it

since you will see the exact same tropes pop up in every single book lol

[sour socket]

Okay, so that's one of the reasons why he's disliked lol

[tall phoenix]

yeah Thorpe's general problem is every dark angels book is mostly the same thing.

Fallen this, Fallen that, Fallen yo mom, Fallen on my ass

[sour socket]

I've also heard that he likes to really fuck over the faction he's writing about

[tall phoenix]

Uh it depends

with the DA he basically just makes them/plots boring

with the Eldar hes an amazing worldbuilder but the opening to the trilogy of them has an aspect warrior die from wooden splinters in full armor

And it gets much worse after that.

[sour socket]

I'm curious to see how his Votann book will turn out

[tall phoenix]

Im sure it will be "okay" at worst

its hard to mess up a faction that has no books

[sour socket]

But currently I'm probably going to read Space Wolf by William King

[tall phoenix]

Yeee good choice

its from 1999 but its still pretty great

[sour socket]

What about Dark Apostle? I've thought about reading it for a while, and I think I'm going to read it after Space Wolf

[tall phoenix]

Also very good, Word Bearer novels in general are pretty fun

[severe trail]

It’s good

Imo

[tall phoenix]

yeah also evil people are funny

[cedar osprey]

Wanted to share a 40k audio story channel I've really been enjoying lately called A Vox in the Void. His stuff is really good. Just the other day he put out a story about an eversor assassin. https://youtu.be/wJjMIwAfYvA?si=eXp4wYVlFLK-QqgG

[slow pilot]

genefather is so good

nobody tell me anything

[severe trail]

Belisarius Cawl is in it

[tall phoenix]

Love that channel, super underrated

[unreal vault]

I havent watched lore channels in ages

[loud bramble]

Finished the first of the minka lesk series, so I’m looking for my next read. Kinda wanna take a break from the guard books (binged a lot of them) so any alternative recommendations?

[tall phoenix]

We got some book recommendations in the pins if ya wanna take a look

[remote glacier]

Autarch: "Biel Tan will win this maiden world. The Imperium will despoil it no more! We will win this for Eldar kind, and become the rulers of the galaxy again!"

Seer: "...uh... about that. We're gonna be written by Gav Thrope."

Autarch: "We're dead aren't we."

Seer: "Yup."

imperial missiles somehow make sound through space

Autarch: "Well... at least I managed to get a box for my spirit stone."

explosion

[tall phoenix]

[remote glacier]

Yeah honestly Gav Thrope writing for the Eldar is just

"Suffering builds character"

[tall phoenix]

♻️

[remote glacier]

The problem is that for fiction, suffering needs to build towards something. Even if it's just horrific death.

For Gav however, it's just suffering

[tall phoenix]

His worldbuilding is pretty good but thats pretty much all i can say about him lol

[remote glacier]

Bro should just stick to writing the rulebook fluff honestly

[tall phoenix]

after reading Wolftime i agree

legit dreadful

[cedar osprey]

https://youtu.be/Vp42ZRchl_I?si=pWo0YXHvN69dekSF Imagine if the Poxwalkers in DT sung. 0_0;

[hearty niche]

Why does caiaphas cain keep calling the hero of the imperium a coward? Is he stupid?

[oak pollen]

imposter syndrome

[hearty niche]

What

What syndrome?!

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-among-us-animated-just-some-plastic-gif-18581623

[slow pilot]

For somone as evil as bile I didn't expect him to be so civil in conversations or show compassion. I thought he would be comically evil.

He seems to really care about his creations

But he's also batshit insane

[severe trail]

Bile is generally pretty civil

He also genuinely loves his New Men which makes him a better father then the emperor

[remote glacier]

Bile went to the Deldar school of

"Hey I'm not insane trust me"

Before doing insane things

[sour socket]

Just finished Space Wolf

Really enjoyed that book, it was nice to read more about the space marine recruitment and training

[tall phoenix]

its also important to remember it being like a super old 1999 book, King definitely puts a nice "adventure" flair to Ragnar's novels, the sequels are just as fun id say

[sour socket]

I've also read first Gotrek and Felix Omnibus by him a while back, and it also was really fun

But now the question is, should I go with Avenging Son, or Dark Apostle next?

[tall phoenix]

Dark Apostle

Avenging Son is basically Ultramarines the Novel

so up to you on the flavor you want i guess lol

[sour socket]

Okay, gonna go with Dark Apostle as Avenging Son is a bit longer and I hope to finish it before going on vacation

[tall phoenix]

Ye dark apostle is like a proper great depressing but funny dark comedy 40k novel, hopefully you'll like it.

[royal egret]

Dark Apostle is part of a trilogy

So imo it might be better to do Avenging Son then it, they’re both good, very different eras though

Avenging Son is largely about the early Primaris and Indomitus

It’s technically part of a series but you don’t have to continue much especially since the series is very meh after like two books, Word Bearers is recommend reading the whole trilogy

[sour socket]

After some thinking I've decided to just buy the books I wanted to read on vacation and start them now rather than wait till I go
I'll continue the Humble Bundle books later
Probably gonna start Twice Dead King now

[brittle tapir]

dan abnett term that will never show up again:
chief servitor, a high spec servitor unit

[remote glacier]

How tf doe s that even work

Do they just like

Keep most of the brain intact or something?

Or do they mean that the Servitor unit actually isn't cobbled together and is equipped with actual decent technology

[drowsy urchin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/08/14/praise-the-silent-king-two-black-library-necron-special-editions-are-coming-this-year/

Fuuuuck

[tall phoenix]

Infinite and the Divine one looks good

the others are a bit uh, Nickelodeon

[unreal vault]

Who buys these

[sacred ridge]

who buys 40k books? I do

[drowsy urchin]

Honestly it looks like it would look a lot better in person the exposure seems to be way off with those pics

but the I&D is cheff's kiss

[royal egret]

Me probably

[wide mica]

Damn, the new Xbox looks sick

[safe plover]

started reading false gods currently at the second chapter

i like it so far a lot more than horus rising

the writing makes it a lot easier to get a scene in your mind for whats happening and they dont use a lot of weird words

[unreal vault]

I wont lie and say the opening was very drab

I dunno how they managed to make titans boring, but they did

[safe plover]

i didnt mind it whats his face was likable enough

and it was nice getting to the day to day of the crew after listening to titan lore on youtube

[unreal vault]

Then you’ll like what happens to him for sure

[safe plover]

assuming it follows the path of all titan captains brain a jar

[unreal vault]

I can assure you its far from it

[safe plover]

booking a cross country bus ride so i can read in peace rn

[unreal vault]

Neat

I tend to use audiobooks for that

[safe plover]

ill just end up sleeping

audio books knock me out

[unreal vault]

Kek fair

[spare pecan]

oh god that is hideous

[slow pilot]

Too bright

[iron ore]

xbox 720 release predicted 2012

[tall phoenix]

the Piss Box

the uh left one not the xbox one

[brittle tapir]

that thing's a damn original white xbox 360

probably more expensive

[hearty niche]

Don’t got time to read, that’s why I bought a little guy to live inside my phone and read too me

He does funny voices sometimes

[unreal vault]

Tiny desk toby longworth

[tall phoenix]

now thats a warhammer horror story in the making right there

[sour socket]

I've recently started to read The Twice Dead King, and what I find a bit funny about the book is the fact that Oltyx's subminds sometimes append various glyphs to their statement, which suggests that the necrons have and use emojis lol

[tall phoenix]

They basically do yeah

along with having private brain-DMs

also literally emoting using their necrodermis to do faces

[sour socket]

Just got to the part with private brain DMs lol

Also I find it funny how necrons censor flesh

[tall phoenix]

the amount of necron personality worldbuilding in this novel is peak

[sour socket]

It's great

[hearty niche]

Imagine having 5 different you’s in your head

(They all disapproved of your actions)

Also for real my favorite part of that series was in book 2 near the end

Spoiler

My man ||DENNET FINALLY SUMMONED THE MONOLITHS||

Hype as fuck

[slow pilot]

i cant help but smile when cawl says things like "not everyone hates me... do they?"

[brittle tapir]

yet another word to add to the fucked up translation between english and french:

Bigot (english): somebody who is unreasonably attached to a belief

Bigot (french): somebody who shows a great devotion to something, oftentimes excessively

being bilingual with these two languages is utter fucking madness

[hearty niche]

hello

i was looking at the sites in the pinned comments

is starting with eisenhorn books a good idea to learn about the lore?

[tall phoenix]

They are a very good point yeah, it will teach you about the basics of the universe to some degree.

its one of the most recommended books for beginners in general

[hearty niche]

ablaa

thanks

[tall phoenix]

[lean comet]

Inquisitor books will typically show glimpses into a variety of different imperium roles, from the hive dweller to high lord. The Eisenhorn series is by far my favorite 40k series, Dan Abnett provides different POVs for each series/short stories. Best part is, the series is still on going!

[tall phoenix]

Yeah it shows a ton of aspect of Imperial life, its recommend to new peeps for a reason lol

even if Abnett takes forever to write it 😭

[royal egret]

Next week

[sage gale]

GW is holding him back form bringing the best boy into the setting

[sage gale]

very much so a good entry point

its both a good litmus test to reading warhammer: if you don't like eisenhorn Xenos' writing you probably wont like most 40k books, and a good place if your new to the setting; you don't need a lot of background lore knowledge: you can scrub most of the explicitly 40k stuff from the book and it still does a very good job of explaining itself and what gregor eisenhorn is doing and why he's doing it in a non-in-universe perspective (ofc not everything, but a solid 80%).

It's kinda like what iron man 1 is to marvel for warhammer books: you'll understand alot more with atleast a bit of background knowledge and get more of the references, but that is all hardly required reading

[hearty niche]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-double-thumbs-up-like-agreed-yup-gif-14284264219182206721

thanks

[smoky bronze]

"Hey dan its games workshop we have 12 new projects we need you to get started on, yeah they're more important than working on the next bequin novel sorry"
Every day dan gets this phonecall

[safe plover]

currently book 2 chapter 4 of HH

when does erebus die?

i cant stand much more of him

[glass sparrow]

about that...

[safe plover]

jokes aside spoiler about erebus origins ||Lorgar is so fucking badword badword badword for unironically allowing someone who has a tattoo of an entire grimore all over his body DID NO ONE THINK TO CHECK IT OUT BEFORE?||

ALSO ||how did erebus even become a space marine wasnt he too old when he lorgar took his planet?||

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-sorry-bro-rudy-ayoub-that's-too-bad-i-feel-for-you-sorry-to-hear-that-gif-12147925949014588862

He’s still very much around doing warp fuckery.

[glass sparrow]

A lot of the legions took older men to be potential astartes. The chance of dying was way higher, but it was still something they could do.

[safe plover]

smh so many chances for the best outcome

[forest spruce]

Erebus is supposed to be alive in the current setting and by the Emperors light I hope the lion or gman crush his head into paste

[severe trail]

Erebus is stuck with Kor Pharon

match made in hell

[tall phoenix]

🏳️‍🌈

[glass sparrow]

Love Apocalypse by Josh Reynolds because of that, subplot of a chaos warband lead by wordbearers being made up of both pro-Erebus WB's and pro-Kor Pharon WB's just fucking with one another back and forth until the end.

[digital saffron]

And then the dreadnought I will not name pissing on both

[slow pilot]

is krieg any good

[glass sparrow]

its.... okay? some aspects are interesting but there are moments I asked myself "why do I care about this?"

mind you, It did not induce a visceral reaction from me to hate it like Fulgrim's book for the Horus Heresy, nor did I loathe the parts I didn't care about like I did for the hive girl segments for "The First Wall" by Gav Thorpe

[tall phoenix]

its generally a really boring book

do not get it, or i guess just do it and regret it idk

[wise yew]

"don't get it but if you want to suffer get it i guess"

what kind of advice is that

[tall phoenix]

[bright slate]

in the first wall are you talking about the whole story of the regiment that in the end it comes up they are fighting for horus?

[royal egret]

I really hated those parts

I saw the twist coming really early on and it felt like wasted padding after that

[bright slate]

i read the book early into my 40k career and it actually flew right over my head

even then it sucked

it just wasnt good

[royal egret]

The problem is you go from some wild fight in the wall or primarchs strategizing to

“Back to train girl”

Where fuck all happens

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the Siege books really suffer from this trope

[bright slate]

back to train girl with… love interest?💀

[royal egret]

Like you have fifty million characters we wanna see

[bright slate]

and the story ends with just

“FOR THE WARMASTER” (End credits)

[tall phoenix]

the literal planet is being torn apart and the traitors are tearing down Eternity Gate but... we need to see some fucknuts checking out the null-stone cells because ??? 💀

[royal egret]

Why are we viewing this schmuck whose not doing anything. And I don’t mean Katshuiro

[bright slate]

love Katsuhiro

hes my guy

[royal egret]

There should always be something going on

Cause there is

But oh well

[bright slate]

do we know what happens to Kat (please dont tell me his death if its shwon😭🙏🏻)

[royal egret]

We don’t

[bright slate]

oh thank god

[royal egret]

Seems unlikely he’d survive with how crazy it gets ngl but who knows

By the end it feels weird that anyone is alive lol

[tall phoenix]

Yeah he survives to the end the series just treats him as "anyway big characters are here and im Dan Abnett so you dont matter"

then he just focuses on his fucking Eisenhorn OCs

[bright slate]

so he basically fades out?

[tall phoenix]

Pretty much

because uhhh

we need more Cumsilio Fu

[bright slate]

survived it all😭

[tall phoenix]

and uhhhhhh

Vivian Chase

lol

[royal egret]

I wouldn’t be shocked if he shows up in the aftermath series

Or is mentioned

[bright slate]

Kat is honestly my favorite character

[tall phoenix]

Hes just a lil guy

from India

[bright slate]

also

in the beginning of his story

wasnt there some people that were sabotaging? what happened to that

[tall phoenix]

Uh

nothing

[royal egret]

They aren’t brought up again

[tall phoenix]

^

Siege moment

[bright slate]

😭

[royal egret]

Probably did something or got caught

Lots of threads

[tall phoenix]

they returned to their homeplanet, Alpharius needed them

[bright slate]

they just faded after one book😭

[royal egret]

Tbh that girl I don’t care much

Idk what else they would have done that would have been interesting

Didn’t need another detective plotline

But idk

[bright slate]

dan abnett believes so

theres always room for a detective (or inquisitor in this case) in dans eyes

[royal egret]

I wouldn’t have hated it being concluded but of the ones which got forgotten that’s one I don’t care much about

[tall phoenix]

I mean we do know his editor didnt even do his job

so it explains a lot

[bright slate]

katsuhiro is just that guy

(or just a guy really)

didnt he talk to an important captain for like… 3 seconds

BA captain

[royal egret]

I think uh Barthusa Narek is gonna get his story concluded with this new series

So that’s good

Rare good Kyme character

[tall phoenix]

Yeah also carried a baby, whos totally not gonna grow up to die on factory fumes at some point

a true hero of the federation

i mean uh imperium

[bright slate]

he survived angron, not many (maybe a lot) can say that

[tall phoenix]

to be fair

he just got lucky

[bright slate]

i mean shit

more people died than dust in the air

the only thing you have is luck

[tall phoenix]

and plot armor

but cough

[bright slate]

fucking titans were being hanged

crazy shit

[tall phoenix]

The End and the Fart deffo starts out good but man

i was losing my sanity by the end

lmao

[bright slate]

when you start hanging titans as morale killers, that war becomes incredibly large

[royal egret]

Yeah I loved the first part

[tall phoenix]

i think my favorite passage was how the book says there were bodies piled like mountains of grain on an opening in the wall

and then it mentions those arent human corpses, those are titans

goofy ahh image but i liked it

[bright slate]

thats a big ass hole

[tall phoenix]

BRUH

[bright slate]

[tall phoenix]

also the most hilarious part for me i think was uh

Horus essentially

opening up the developer console

and respawning chaos marines

that shit was so funny

[bright slate]

a funny part for me is that one remembrancer who was blinded, casually talking to sanguinius after his fav son dies protecting her

[tall phoenix]

just 40k things

[royal egret]

He didn’t die but yeah it’s a great scene

[bright slate]

“by the throne,” “that was lord Sanguinius!”

[tall phoenix]

like i get what abnett was going for but the last 3 books had so many goofy moments

the emperor vs horus stuff was peak comedy

[royal egret]

Zephon actually ends up showing up again during the siege

[bright slate]

he didnt die? shit

[tall phoenix]

He was too busy taking a nap under a bunker

[royal egret]

Cause they have to pull injured guys out of stasis they’re so desperate

[bright slate]

oh wait i saw this

zephon just good like that

or bad

considering the events

[bright slate]

isnt that the same scene where he has to walk past a lot of dead kids

[royal egret]

He and Rann have a hallway fight

[tall phoenix]

Fnaf Ran by beloved

not

[bright slate]

fafnir is.. a dude

i mean hes there

[tall phoenix]

hes the Dude to exist

[royal egret]

Nah

He’s him

[tall phoenix]

Yah

if he didnt look like the chad wojak

id forget he existed

[bright slate]

i feel like Raldoron is him

[tall phoenix]

[bright slate]

fafnir does get on a cover

[royal egret]

He’s all of the space Viking with non of the wolfy calories

[tall phoenix]

he does found the Sexecutioners so i guess all is fair

[bright slate]

raldoron is best man

[royal egret]

Also his model fucks

[tall phoenix]

its okay

[tall phoenix]

I love Ral entirely due to the fact that he kills a cringe night lord

[bright slate]

he destroys him its great

“get off my wall”

[tall phoenix]

bro legit thought he wa Him

[bright slate]

and hes like “i dont know who you are, nor do i care”

[unreal vault]

Hes axes are a little too big, other than thats its alright

The zephon model though…..

[tall phoenix]

"I can save your soul if you accept my deal"

"Ok sure"

"Good, now you are gonna get ass-fucked for 1000 years"

"NOOOO-"

[unreal vault]

[bright slate]

“ok sure”

“(licks lips)”

“NOOOO-”

[tall phoenix]

the audiobook should have played that tick-tock TF2 song and it would be pretty good

anyway pretty good scene

a lot better than "eat shit traitor"

[bright slate]

ik we are on ab sot but

i need to talk about Mkoll

[tall phoenix]

LOL

[bright slate]

hes been on my damn mind for weeks

[royal egret]

Painted Count moment

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-by-that-gif-10559980082154008380

[bright slate]

Mkoll is genuinely the one human that deserves the him title

he damn near solos multiple high level chaos lords

dodges death

multiple times

[royal egret]

He does look sick though I won’t lie

[tall phoenix]

Mkoll is basically just Harper from Sharpe's Rifles so that checks out

[bright slate]

he cuts a termi up easy before he fights the night lord too😭

[bright slate]

Mkoll feels like a better mc than Gaunt, and im proud to have that opinion

[royal egret]

Atramenter after being forced to bodyguard the biggest dumbfuck cowards in the galaxy endlessly for hundreds of years

[bright slate]

Mkoll and Mkvenner are best bros

[royal egret]

https://tenor.com/view/tired-tired-af-daddy-chill-dad-coraline-gif-19228348

[bright slate]

they are like if you gave stealth tactics of raven guard to reg humans

[royal egret]

Kherion is pretty dope though

[bright slate]

also a 30cm KNIFE is crazy

thats a fucking short sword atp

if only they met catachan

the catachan would be drooling

[royal egret]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-not-a-knife-that's-a-knife-crocodile-dundee-gif-17875218452824390581

[bright slate]

i love how they use a double edged 30cm short sword as a fucking dagger

and well

casually doubles the length of your lasgun by just attaching the bayonet

[sour socket]

Just finished Twice Dead King: Ruin, and it was soo good

|| The conversation between Oltyx and Djoseras in the desert was peak, and all those moments when Oltyx entered the medium and we got a glimpse at how were the necrontyr, especially the one just before the biotransference of Oltyx ||

[tall phoenix]

the book is PEAK in general

[glass sparrow]

yup

[sour socket]

Agreed

[daring panther]

Any recommendation for a simpler Warhammer book? Dont care if 40k or AOS I just need to read for my beginner Checklist

[random palm]

Hey everyone. Im looking for a book to prepare me for space marine 2. Maybe something about the ultramarines. Any recommendations?

[unborn merlin]

Know No Fear by Dan Abnett and the Dark Imperium trilogy by Guy Hayley

[unborn merlin]

There’s resources in the pins. What are you looking for in particular?

[daring panther]

Dont know, Just simple. I tried gaunts ghosts but it got too complexe and Long. Maybe Something with orks

[unborn merlin]

Brutal Kunnin by Mike Brooks would be a good start.

[daring panther]

Will look into it, thanks

Love your pfp btw

[unborn merlin]

lol appreciate it.

That book in particular is a well regarded one. Got some Ork shenanigans and cog boys too.

The Infinite and the Divine would be my next recommendation if you haven’t read it already.

[wise yew]

To add to this point do not expect smart characters

They are rather well subpar in intelligence in this book

Besides the main faction being the orks which is super cool and unstoppable

[unborn merlin]

Green Skins get it done.

[wise yew]

Yeah but making them like these unstoppable creatures just for the sake of making them look cool isn't really the best way to write them

But then again they are mostly written off as you know background treats

So whatever

[random palm]

Thanks! I’ll check it out

[unborn merlin]

Know No Fear is a personal fav of mine. Enjoy kinsman.

[random palm]

My thanks, brother

[hybrid turtle]

Are there any good books following the imperial navy?

[tall phoenix]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gothic_War_(Novel_Series)

VERY old but excellent pair of books

[hybrid turtle]

Ah cool ty ty

[sour socket]

Just finished Twice Dead King: Reign

And while overall I feel that the book is weaker than the first one, it still was pretty good
The ending was really satysfying

Now I'm going to probably start Brutal Kunnin

[tall phoenix]

yeah the author explains it in interviews

iirc if i recall it was because it really was essentially rushed or... was suppose to be one book I THINK?

[sour socket]

|| the thing that threw me off the most was how Oltyx has changed throughout the book, he didn't feel like the Oltyx from the first book, but I really liked the twist that he's had the Flayer Virus all along||

Also I felt like a solid first quarter of the book was spent explaining concepts introduced and explained in the first book and repeating events that happened in it

[severe trail]

it was supposed to be one book

[frigid osprey]

[cerulean peak]

I've finished the first HH book the other day and I kek'd when Erebus fucked up the whole thing

Also "he gave his councel freely, without any agenda"

[tall phoenix]

The first book is legit such a comedy piece

the fucking Marvel-ahh lines of "THEY WALKED LIKE A BLACK LEGION"

or "Astartes fighting Astartes? Such a thing was laughable"

shut the fuck up abnett

[brittle tapir]

the book literally starts with a troll

i was there when the emperor died

[cerulean peak]

Yea the amount of "foretelling" is absurd. Still an enjoyable read. I don't take the series seriously anyways

[tall phoenix]

Yeah id legit feel bad for Abnett if he thinks this is suppose to be taken seriously

i take it with jest since he is a comic book writer lol

[cerulean peak]

Slop is slop even if written by a prolific author

[tall phoenix]

That is the simple truth

[cerulean peak]

Next one is by Graham Mcneill. I wonder how it'll go. Afaik his 40k books were fine

Well nvm

I just realised it's 80% ultramarines

I've only enjoyed his IW and admech stuff

[tall phoenix]

LMAO

Quickest tone change

[cerulean peak]

I'm just hating on ultramarines per their reputation. Haven't read his UM books

[tall phoenix]

[severe trail]

[cerulean peak]

They can't all be like the stereotypes

Right?

[tall phoenix]

Whos gonna tell him

[cerulean peak]

I guess I should alternate between readingk and HH books. I'll just end up burnt out once I end the SoT

💀

[severe trail]

UM have some decent stuff in Heresy

and 40k

[tall phoenix]

Know No Fear is PEAK

THE novel that saved the ultramarines from obscurity in HH

and of course it was written by Abnett lol

[cerulean peak]

Amen

[severe trail]

Practical: I am going to rip his spine out and kill him

[cerulean peak]

Yea on the cover Gman looks like he's in full RIP AND TEAR mode

[tall phoenix]

Thats after he gets launched out into zero-gravity

and the Word Bearers think hes dead

https://tenor.com/view/big-mistake-arnold-schwarzenegger-thats-a-big-mistake-gif-17948426

[cerulean peak]

KEK

[tall phoenix]

its so good in the book

it has as ton of neat bits in general

[cerulean peak]

Does Horus still talks like groomer once he gets on chaos juice?

Also: Why does Sanguinius have black hair

[severe trail]

he just has that sometimes

don't worry about it

[digital saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/it-just-didnt-happen-no-gif-25155836

[safe plover]

i swear the 5th chaos god is gonna be the god of mispronunciations

the amount of times i put a 40k lore video on and hear "a-bad-on" instead of "a-baddon" or "ana-tha-mey" instead of "ana-thema"

[digital saffron]

Take a shot every time someone writes "Emporer"

[pearl wren]

Y'know
I got me first 40k book last weekend

The infinite and the divine

[digital saffron]

Oo

[pearl wren]

And! And!

Brutal kunnin' is coming to my local book store the tenth of the next month!

So i'll keep an eye for that

I'm absolutely excited for that

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/borat-borat-very-nice-verynice-thumbs-up-gif-25080066

[sour socket]

I'm halfway through Brutal Kunnin and I find it very enjoyable

||Though seeing two orks, a grot and a squig destroy a warlord titan is bit silly lol, and I still think that the fight with the 3 knights was more stupid||

[wise yew]

you think that is silly?

you have not met Wazdakka Gutsmek

[tall phoenix]

Brooks literally stole Wazdakka's entire thing for the book

lmao

[wise yew]

yeah Ulfthak is a panzy tho

This guy smashed through the Shields without teleporting, crashed through the head and killed the crew while still on fire

[tall phoenix]

pretty much

[wise yew]

Ulfthak got nothing on this guy

[sour socket]

Oh
Yeah Ulfthak ain't got shit on him lol

[sour socket]

Okay, finished Brutal Kunnin, it was pretty good

Now I'm onto the 2nd and 3rd Heresy books

[royal egret]

Almost done

[sour socket]

I feel like "I was there the day that Horus fell" from the second book is much worse than "I was there when Horus killed the Emperor" from the first one, considering what both of these quotes were really about in these books lol

[royal egret]

The second really is a big step down

Especially in characterization

I wish they’d have had Abnett do both

[tall phoenix]

Loken basically turns to the screen and tells us this lmao

[unreal vault]

Literally everyone just turns into a villain in like a few pages, like what

[royal egret]

Yeah it’s

It’s what it is

[unreal vault]

One of the highlights of the book for me at least, was lokens reaction to the outcry of his massacre when he was carrying horus to the vengeful spirit

[royal egret]

Yeah there’s some good parts

[unreal vault]

Like, he’s remorseful, but he treats it like he lost a rifle or something lol

I love that part because it shows no matter how nice an astartes is, there still psychos

[royal egret]

I also like when the apothecaries are looking at Horus’s insides and are just like

[unreal vault]

Abaddon had to ruin the moment though

Myeahhh why cant you fix him myeahhhh

[sour socket]

I'm talking mainly about the moment when Horus was stepping out of that ship, and talked with his remembrancer when he dropped, and her pen wrote that on her data slate

[tall phoenix]

Yah I know i meant more that its just a dumb callback line and him basically telling us the whole

GET IT THE HORUS HERESY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN

Like yes Loken we fucking know

[unreal vault]

What is this some kind of, sons of horus?

[tall phoenix]

I HATE how they literally do this with guilliman later in the series

This isn't Horus's treachery no this is his HERESY

WHO WROTE THIS

[royal egret]

A critically acclaimed and celebrated author across multiple very popular media

[tall phoenix]

sobbing as we speak aughhh

[cerulean peak]

The average warhammer fans are not as insightful as you guys :^)

They need to be reminded

[royal egret]

Gonna be real, every single well regarded author ever has shit like this

Especially prolific ones

Doesn’t mean you can’t call it out but that’s how it is

[cerulean peak]

I wonder if authors are forced to add sentences like these by gw or editors

[royal egret]

I doubt it

These guys are corny like that

Abnett loves those kinda things in his books

If anything I bet they started telling them to be a bit more subtle or to knock it off lol

[cerulean peak]

https://tenor.com/view/watchmen-gif-8794746

Footage of Dan Abnett with the editors

[unborn merlin]

I’m only going to write a three part book where Big E walks on a ship for 90% of it and you’re going to like it!!!!

[tall phoenix]

slop!!!

[sour socket]

Writing like this make this meme seem believable

[unborn merlin]

Speaking of slop I finish The End and the Death Vol 2.

It was better than Vol 1 but was still pretty tedious and bloated.

[royal egret]

I don’t trust anyone who thinks volume 2 was better than 1

[unborn merlin]

Audible has the Andy Serkis narrated Lord of the Rings for like $6 so I’m gonna listen to those for a bit and finish Vol 3.

[drowsy urchin]

Real shit?

[unborn merlin]

Yeah, what this guy said!

[drowsy urchin]

might have to grab those as well

[unborn merlin]

The first one is free with your subscription and the other two are like $6-$7.

The Hobbit is unfortunately not on sale.

[unborn merlin]

Also in my defense I don’t think either books are all that good.

So ya know. Just finishing them to finish them at this point.

[drowsy urchin]

not for my Audible it seems, no freebies and the Andy Serkis narrated are ~$30

[unborn merlin]

Vol 2 had more highlights for me personally, I am not invested in the story lol.

[unborn merlin]

damn, might be NA only then.

[drowsy urchin]

I've got my account on the .com version that uses USD which should be the NA version, no?

[unborn merlin]

Idk what’s up then tbh.

[drowsy urchin]

Book 1 with Rob Inglis narration is -63%, others -30%

[drowsy urchin]

hmh, that's a different artwork than the ones I'm seeing

[unborn merlin]

Maybe try this link.

https://www.audible.com/pd/1705047599?source_code=ASSORAP0511160006&share_location=pdp

https://www.audible.com/pd/1705047580?source_code=ASSORAP0511160006&share_location=pdp

The first book is full price without the audible subscription.

[drowsy urchin]

It just redirects to the co.uk site on my phone 😄
Will try these after work at the home PC

[unborn merlin]

Hopefully you can snag them for that price.

[brittle tapir]

okay i enjoy fall of cadia

dilara you win

it's a stupidly funny book

plus so many little things that make it better

a lot of details i enjoy

[tall phoenix]

Haha get fucked loser

I TOLD YOU SO!

🫵

And yeah im glad they went with so many POV swaps its such a fun book. Creed definitely steals the show.

[cerulean peak]

Are the ghazkull book and the yarrick ones worth a read?

[hybrid turtle]

Id recommend the ghazkull book yeah

Havent read any of the yarrick stories yet though

But ghazkull is def fun

[royal condor]

shud i read The end and the death?

[drowsy urchin]

Yes

[royal egret]

I would read the siege first if you haven’t and some of the heresy

But assuming you have sure

Otherwise it definitely won’t work lol

[unreal vault]

Siege? You mean siege of Terra?

[royal egret]

Yes

What else would I mean siege of Vraks?

In the context of talking about the End and the Death and the heresy?

[drowsy urchin]

No, he means the novelisation of the hit video game Rainbow Six: Siege

[tall phoenix]

Bruh

[tall phoenix]

Ghazghkull's book is fun but Yarrick's while being old are deffo peak as well.

Its one of the rare cases where its an actually great trilogy but barely anyone mentions it.

[sour socket]

Just finished Galaxy in Flames

It was fun and seeing how quickly and easily some characters became evil bastards was kind of funny

Now I'm going with Steel Tread by Andy Clark

[tall phoenix]

good decision

[sour socket]

I was kind of reluctant to start it considering that the only other book of his that I read was Gloomspite, and I didn't really like it

[tall phoenix]

[mellow knot]

Siege of Naggarond!

[pearl wren]

Yesterday
I got beliraurus rex and the great work

Fun

[tall phoenix]

cawl is definitely a wacky dude

[bright slate]

i think its a good book

i drink up any and all guard books so

[brittle tapir]

based

[bright slate]

i also want to write 40k books, and am in the process of writing 40k stuff actually

its fun

[brittle tapir]

what's it about

[bright slate]

sorry didnt see
uh dont really know yet, but its ab guardsmen mainly

[sour socket]

Finished it yesterday, and it was good
Kinda makes me want to see Baneblade focused novel

[bright slate]

there is a novel called “Baneblade” but i dont know if youve read it, nor do i know if its actually about a baneblade

its a series about a tanker tho

i think

[sour socket]

Oh yeah, there is, now I remember lol

I need to finish Warlords of Karak Eight Peaks first though

[brittle tapir]

i am desperate for 40k militarum tanker content as well

the best i get is occasional glimpses in novels

[iron ore]

Steel tread

Majority of the book is in tank

[royal condor]

what about Saturnine

[reef umbra]

Finally got First book on the Ravenor series,

Kinda big

[sour socket]

I am also desperate for good 40k fighter pilot or void battle novels (I know only of Outgunned and Gothic War books)

[royal egret]

Very nice

[royal egret]

Double Eagle

[wide mica]

Outgunned is also getting a sequel

and the character has like 3 or 4 short stories

[stray crystal]

Ravenor is pretty good

[royal egret]

Iirc Abnett said he was gonna do a Double Eagle book too

[royal egret]

New Exorcists book is pretty cool so far. Has Exorcists vs Word Bearers and their obvious parallels and being dark reflections of eachother are on display. Also some other stuff.

[iron ore]

Thank you for confirming I need to buy this and read it tonight

[unborn merlin]

Oh dope

I’ll need to check it out.

[brittle tapir]

dude

black templars in the cadia book

[severe trail]

Lol

[brittle tapir]

-creed is telling you to retreat with us to the next position!
-no
-but this place is literally crumbling into dust from the artillery!
-this place is called the martyr's rampart, not the tactical retreat rampart

[tall phoenix]

okay but

they literally admit they were stupid for doing it

lmao

[brittle tapir]

i love them

this book is so funny

[tall phoenix]

the space wolves getting clapped was funnier but the BT is a bonus

[brittle tapir]

creed being like pleaaaase dont die for no reason

[tall phoenix]

No wonder hes so addicted to alcohol

if i dealt with morons like that id be too

[brittle tapir]

i love when astartes are depicted as the hard headed fucks they are

[bright slate]

tell me that isnt an actual quote😭🙏🏻

[bright slate]

sorry for another ping but i have a quote that is related to that

‘I made a decision too,’ Cadwalder replied. ‘It was my own. I chose to step forward onto the deck of a Stormbird, and not step backwards off its ramp. What I was going to say, my lord, was stay behind me. They are closing very rapidly. My visor is crowded with contact icons. They are accelerating. Please, stay behind me.’
‘Like hell,’ said Niborran. ‘None of that. I’m not your Praetorian, and you’re not my bodyguard. I’m Niborran, of the Saturnine Ordos, and I have zone command here. I’m not getting behind anybody.’
He looked up at the Huscarl.
‘Right here, right now, Cadwalder, you and me, we’re the same.’
They stood in the mouth of the gate, side by side, human and transhuman, and began to fire as the World Eaters swept in.
-Saturnine

[brittle tapir]

that last line is a direct quote

[bright slate]

that is absolutely hilarious

you said that was the fall of cadia book?

“This is the Martyr’s Rampart, not the Redeployment Rampart.”
absolutely amazing

[brittle tapir]

yes

this book is awesome

[bright slate]

i need to get it

[brittle tapir]

how did you find the quote without the book

[bright slate]

reddit

thats where i find most of the quotes i have

[royal egret]

Finished Oaths of Damnation, post a summary of my thoughts and its pros and cons, spoilering plot related stuff

Pros

• Really good showcase of the Exorcists and the lore we already had plus some new details and expansions on concepts

• Reivers and Eliminators get featured heavily and they're pretty cool, mostly the bolterporn is thought out and the way the marines fight is easy to picture and feels like a cohesive unit fighting

• A pretty large cast of Word Bearer and Exorcist characters which mostly get something to do or some pretty good characterization even if they're not the main characters

• The daemon characterizations are generally pretty cool and creative

• ||Overlord Gunship appearance and action is cool||

• ||This is a preference thing but, I appreciated only about five to seven Exorcists in the book die it felt like, the conflict they're in isn't exactly a major one but it felt less goofy and made the deaths a bit more meaningful when they happened||

Cons

• Its very much one of those books where the author was probably told to rattle on about Primaris as much as he could. I'll say the book does generally make it work, the times the Belisarius Furnace were used made sense, but there's also some gratuitous scenes like a sniper basically doing an ad in his head for the Las Fusil, calling their fellow marines "Primaris" instead of Astartes or Marines, and ||Overlord Gunship appearence which while fun was harped on a bit much.|| It didn't ruin anything for me and I liked seeing Vanguard squad Reivers and Eliminators in action in a cool way but its very noticeable too. There is a lot of bolterporn, and if it doesn't work for you that's could be a problem.

• It starts strong but imo ends much weaker. ||The story becomes pretty predictable about 2/3 into it and while thats not the worst thing it definitely felt stronger earlier on for me.||

• ||Word Bearers felt a little underused although arguably that's the point of the story since its a pretty pathetic warband largely, still felt they could have done more.||

• ||A big theme of the book is the Exorcists soullessness kills their ability to feel emotions. Sometimes I liked this sometimes I didn't. This can also sorta kill your ability to care about them. I'm mixed on it, and there's some level where the tragedy works but sometimes for me it also dragged when something big or heroic or sad would happen and then the author goes "Exorcist knew he should feel something, but he didn't." yet again.||

Overall, I'd give it a 7-8/10 probably for me personally, definitely a must read if you're interested in the Exorcists as you would think, but if you don't care about them and don't jive with the Reiver/Eliminator bolterporn its not for you.

Good start, ending could have been better.

[safe plover]

made it to chapter 20 of false gods its really good

horus rising is mid in comperason and i stand by that

did people speak a different kind of english in 2006? i struggled so much reading horus rising

[brittle tapir]

it tries to do the medieval english thing

that's never consistent across authors

[safe plover]

GOOD i have a C1 english cert books shouldnt be that hard 😭

[brittle tapir]

i'm a native speaker and i struggle sometimes

[cerulean peak]

I'm almost done with false gods and man everyone feels dumb

Horus and his legion are supposed to be the best and they're jobbers

[safe plover]

ikr horus feels lika fucking dip

[cerulean peak]

Imagine getting felled by a poop knife

[safe plover]

w-what did you say mr erebus???!?!?!?!? I should forget everything i ever believed in since birth because someone gave me bad LSD? y-yes as you say

[cerulean peak]

Maybe it's just because I know of the marvel-tier feats of the other primarchs. But pre-chaos Horus feels like a wet noodle

[safe plover]

lokin failing to notice the poop knife too 😭

[cerulean peak]

"We must wait before telling everyone that Erebus is a traitor!"

And Abaddon is basically a world eater even if he does't have the spikes

[safe plover]

i swear to god the end of warhammer 40k is gonna be some dude time travelling into the future and beating to death baby erebus,erda, abbadon and gramaticus for good measure

[cerulean peak]

It won't

Erebus redemption arc in wh50k

After all the primarchs comes back of course

[safe plover]

all the primarchs+ the emperor are then forced to take family therapy

[cerulean peak]

I could see that in a sitcom formula
insert forced laughter

[bright slate]

John maybe?

i realize you also said grammaticus

what he do

[brittle tapir]

he has a dumb name

and he's a bitch for joining the emperor even though he's lived through humanity's multiple dark pasts

[safe plover]

hes currently ||messing around in some warp/time forsaken shithole tighing knots with rope or some shit using a feather of sanguinius for whatever reason||

[brittle tapir]

i swear black templars are the best part of this book

[tall phoenix]

they are barely in the book

shut up nerd

[brittle tapir]

😭

[fresh niche]

Well like. The Imperial Truth is that there is no supernatural. My boy EXPERIENCED the supernatural.

And then got a healthy dose of chaos poisoning too.

It's the Grima Wormtongue/Théoden relationship.

[safe plover]

erebus saw nurgles influence and really thought yup need more of that

erebus is kinda just an asshole same for abbadon

[cerulean peak]

Nurgle gets shit done compared to the other 3 chaos jobbers

(Unbiaised opinion ofc)

[bright slate]

[glass sparrow]

Double Eagle. It's a Sabbat Crusade story. Personally speaking for whatever reason I want to describe it as the 40k equivalent of a story of a WW2 pacific theatre fighter pilot squadron.

[brittle tapir]

creed:
doing strategic planning of the defence of cadia and going over the reports of kasr craf, checking the daily reports of lost ground
wait, we're still holding martyr's rampart? the black templars are still alive?

camera cuts to black templars holding back an enormous wave of cultists and word bearers with chainswords and flamers
DONT TOUCH MY FUCKING BANNER RAAAAAAAAH

[mellow knot]

The only person more worthy of a good snack than Erebus is Eidolon, because fuck that guy.

[safe plover]

just started book 3 😭 idk who that is

[cerulean peak]

He was the Emperor's Children commander on spider planet in book 1

[safe plover]

oh

i skipped book 1

[cerulean peak]

Basically he's a dick who made shitty calls because he wanted glory. Most of his men got killed uselessly because of that and he told Horus he was the one who saved the whole operation (it actually was Saul Tarvitz who saved the day on spider planet; who might be the only EC who's not a complete dick)

[drowsy urchin]

Saul my man

[cerulean peak]

Saul and Rylanor are probably the only Emperor's Children who are nice guys

[mellow knot]

I’m furious just thinking about him 😄

[frigid osprey]

Solomon Demeter was a good dude as well

Eidolon is a bellend and should stay in the Heresy where he belongs

Ancient Diomat actually is a cool dude as well (despite being held by traitors for 10k years while being denied dreadnought sleep or the release of death). He thinks Fulgrim is a bellend

[brittle tapir]

does spear of faith look like it'll be good

[bright slate]

skipped the BEST HH book????

Horus Rising is imo the best book in the entire HH

[safe plover]

i really liked chapters 1 and 2 but it as VERY hard to read

i was dying

[bright slate]

i didnt feel the same way, but ig its all different

[wise yew]

Reading Gotrek and Felix Daemonslayer and Malakai speak is certainly something

i have seen ork speech more understandable than this

the guy is fun but my god his speaking is very hard to read

[drowsy urchin]

the audiobook is great for that

[wise yew]

yeah might find that

[forest spruce]

Drukari are so fucked up. One of there dishes was roasted black mane pup with wyvern venom sauce

[safe plover]

yeah audio books are great lemme just put on galaxy on fire chapter 2 while in bed for a bit

wtf wht is it chapter 14 now?? why is it day time??? oh.....

[sour socket]

Oh God, I've read that in Polish, and it wasn't half as difficult to read it as it is in English lol

[hybrid turtle]

Malakai’s thick scottish accent lol

Love him in total warhammer

[ivory hornet]

Yo I'm about to read my first ever book, "The Inifite and the Divine" I know the lore about the war in heaven bit is there anything else I should know?

[fallow wave]

yes, its an amazing book

[sharp orbit]

yo i just finished devastation of baal and am looking for something else with tyranids before space marine 2 any ideas?

[finite phoenix]

I finished HH, my soul is empty. Any good SM or militarium books?

I read Nuceria Angron’s origin story is cool

[slow pilot]

i got the night lords omnibus in the mail and i forgot i ordered it

im buying too many books

[tall phoenix]

We got some pinned in the channel that you can look

[tall phoenix]

https://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/novels/the-great-devourer-leviathan-omnibus-ebook-en-2019.html

Mostly a collection of Short stories

[slow pilot]

ever read steel tread

[finite phoenix]

Steel Tread is the name of the book?

Thanks a lot guys

[slow pilot]

bunch of grunts in a tank

very good

[tacit raft]

night lords trilogy by Aaron Dembski Bowden. Or you can start another series, The War of the Beast

10-15 books, cant recall correctly

[brittle tapir]

you read the entirety of HH?

[finite phoenix]

Yep, over 3 years

[brittle tapir]

my condolences

[finite phoenix]

Why?

[tall phoenix]

Its a overbloated series and not that good minus a handful of books.

i say this as a person that has read a great majority of it over the couse of like 4-5 years lol

including the dreadfully slop Siege books

[unreal vault]

That's very nice if you to remind us of that every few weeks or so dilara

[remote glacier]

Gav Thrope:

[unreal vault]

Gay thorn when something

[sharp orbit]

great thanks ill check it out

[finite phoenix]

Not 100% of the books were enjoyable but the majority was for me. I consider it a “blessing” to be easily satisfied with content.

[drowsy urchin]

Agreed

[tall phoenix]

Most of the fandom does and agrees with it, don't make it seem like im on the minority dingus

[paper maple]

⬆️

[unreal vault]

Never implied it was

[tall phoenix]

Sloppa

[unreal vault]

Its just you mention this fact like, all the time.

Like we get it nerd

[paper maple]

Its not 40k without repetitiveness

[unreal vault]

I merely jest to dill like i usually do

[tall phoenix]

you forgot to leave a " 😁 "

[sour socket]

You can't call yourself a real 40k fan without constantly mentioning a sentence/joke till everyone is sick of it

[tall phoenix]

To be fair in comparison theres a difference between actually acknowledging something for what it is and "omg yvraine guilliman are dating"

[fallen sage]

they SHOULD BE

[tall phoenix]

[bright slate]

[drowsy urchin]

Just finished the Night Lord trilogy for the second time now. Very enjoyable still, the third one does meander a bit towards the latter third but picks up the pace very nicely towards the final chapters

[unreal vault]

Oh I forgot to reply to this, anyways, KILL YOURSELF!!!

[drowsy urchin]

Now I will start the final Nathan Long Gotrek & Felix novel, looking forward to it

[hearty niche]

Man

Jurgen really is just built different ain’t he?

[tacit raft]

yeah, its like reading Eisenhorn or Ravenor trilogies for the 3rd time and its still cool

gonna reread HH soon

except pythos trash

[slow pilot]

how are the night lord books

[iron ore]

arguably top 5 warhammer book series

ABD cooked with that trilogy

[drowsy urchin]

very very good indeed

[hybrid turtle]

the emperor's most faithful and smelliest soldier....

[slow pilot]

i got the omnibus

[drowsy urchin]

get reading

[slow pilot]

i need to finish gene father

almost done

[safe plover]

i swear to the emperor GW bribed the writers of sp2 to ||make our boy a primaris||

[wide mica]

Unlikely

[tall phoenix]

Game companies who get to make warhammer games dont get much freedom aside from pitching the concept and getting it approved, depending on the idea then it will get policed to the absolute max or just become some mess like Hired Gun who no one remembers at this point.

SM2 entirely has Primaris because it is the current itteration of Marines to the public and the entire game is more or less a marketing device for them accordingly.

so theres no bribing, you do what you are told.

[wide mica]

Like the conversation was probably just

"We want to make a sequel to Space Marine"

"Okay, all Space Marines are Primaris now, so you'll need to change Titus"

"Alright"

[severe trail]

Tbh it’s not even like him being primaris changes much story wise lol

[tall phoenix]

^

[wide mica]

Yea like the whole Primaris thing aside, they would have done that anyway because they're the newest looking armour designs

[tall phoenix]

People in general legit got no idea how much GW actually is behind most of these decisions lol

also this yeah, it makes sense to go Primaris, its the new shiny thing.

[severe trail]

Even if they didn’t explicitly say he was primaris he’d be in MKX yeah

Lol

[sour socket]

small baby mk X armor specifically made for Titus

[wide mica]

Na they've also ditched the Primaris branding from most things with the new edition

There isn't Primaris Captain and Captain anymore, it's just Captain

[sour socket]

If they want to eventually move on from firstborn marines then it makes sense

[severe trail]

Tbh the primaris gear can be used by firstborn and the other way around

Lol

[sour socket]

Aren't firstborn a bit stunty for Mk X armor?

[tall phoenix]

Firstborn are a few inches smaller ye

[severe trail]

A bit, but it’s easy to retrofit

[sour socket]

Tbf the thing that bothers me the most about Rubicon Primaris is that (i think) marines who undergo it grow a few inches, which I'd imagine would be difficult if not done when someone's still young and growing naturally
But it's just space gene-magic, ig

[wide mica]

Yea they literally cram in like three more organs, one of them is extra grow juice

[safe plover]

i watched a lore recap on them and i hate them so much its unreal

[wide mica]

Hating Primaris is cringe

[tall phoenix]

you should have been there when they got released

they are badly done but yeah hating them is just a boring trend atm

40k evolves and survives because it changes and adapts.

[safe plover]

that was my magic the gathering phase

i was angry about other things

[severe trail]

Primaris are just marginally better marines

[sour socket]

Primaris are mostly fine for me
I guess that they could have just improved the models for the firstborn and re-released them, but it wouldn't sell that well then ig

[safe plover]

yeah the superer super soldiers

[severe trail]

I mean

Yeah

Grey knights

40K has literally always had superer super soldiers

[sour socket]

I mean, before primaris we had:
Thunder warriors (super soldiers)
Space marines (super super soldiers)
And Custodes (super super super soldiers)

So it's nothing new really

[safe plover]

the superer super soldiers who robot man had made with the help of an actual robot without anyone noticing

[severe trail]

Thunder warriors are like super super soldiers but have super cancer

[tall phoenix]

Again ^

at the end of the day it was the right business decision

[safe plover]

the emperor? who the fuck is that some tech priest made even better ones

[severe trail]

Okay so for one the research on primaris organs was done by the Selenar genecults and the emperor

You know that right

Cawl just had to finish the few parts they didn’t get to

[safe plover]

so thats what the emperor was doing when he fucked off during the crusade

[severe trail]

No

That was the webway project

He was working on making better marines during the heresy

[wide mica]

Yea Emperor told Cawl to continue his work basically

[severe trail]

Primaris are a stable derivative of the raptor project and some other marine improvement stuff the emperor was working on

[wide mica]

So he did

[safe plover]

you know what

[severe trail]

What

[safe plover]

i will simply ignore them and headcanon them into not existing

[severe trail]

You can also do that

But I do not see why you think Cawl literally pulled them out his ass

[tall phoenix]

Cawl also admits his work isnt perfect

and it took like what

an entire millennia to do?

what the Emperor did in a few months/years lol

[safe plover]

crawl also pulled himself out of his own ass tbh

[severe trail]

Around 4000 years lol

[severe trail]

This is how named characters work yes

[sour socket]

Wasn't he around since the heresy?

[severe trail]

Yes

[safe plover]

they changed something in his backstory with that book

uhhhh

fuck what was it called

[severe trail]

It’s a space wolf book

He shows up in a space wolf book in heresy

[tall phoenix]

A real mindfuck moment also was the Emperor talking to a trusted engineer in the past.

[severe trail]

Lol

[tall phoenix]

Then Cawl gets a vision from the present time

and realises the Emperor was talking to him through that person

LOL

[severe trail]

Cawl ated him

Jokes aside nothing Cawl has made is really that implausible knowing what he was working with

He had essentially a blank check, tons of research data he just needed to finish

And like he’s an Archmagos

Who the fuck is going to go knocking on his door asking what he’s doing

Also this isn’t even the first time the mechanicus has fucked with space marine geneseed and modified them

They’ve done it in two different foundings

[safe plover]

ye they pulled the "we have marines in a hidden fridge" at least 4 times

[sour socket]

That "no one's gonna go and fuck around in my stuff when I'm important enough, so a little tech heresy won't hurt" was shown of well in Brutal Kunnin tbh

[severe trail]

Not really fridge just, we’re making marines but better

To varying levels of success

On one hand Sons of Anteus, on the other hand flame eagles

I’d make a joke about sons of anteus being primaris but that joke is so overdone

[royal egret]

Also Cawl was using his notes and previous planned upgrades and work, people always act like Cawl somehow did it all better, he just continued the work that was unfinished and it took him forever.

[glass sparrow]

Not all of Cawl's works are strictly better in all fields. Good example would be the new Dreadnaughts. They might hit harder then a lot of old Dreadnaughts, might be faster too, but that boost to combat power came at the cost of the ability to keep the marine inside alive for hundreds if not thousands of years.

[wide mica]

Also Neo-Volkite is doodoo compared to regular Volkite

[fallen sage]

WHAT

WHY ):

[severe trail]

Cawls plasma also explodes harder lmao

When it suffers critical failures

Also his “grav” tech which is slower and can’t literally fly

And also just literally crushes whatever is under it unlike actual grav tech

[brittle tapir]

also he had like 10000 years

[leaden acorn]

@schrodingershowitzer might not be too much of a bad thing all things considered

[frigid osprey]

iron hands primaris dreadnought
pilot can't burn out if he's already mostly machine

[royal egret]

IH dreads do notably not always sleep as much or deteriorate mentally like others are shown to

For awhile one clan had a dreadnought Iron Captain but I think he’s died