pretty much
#40k-book-club
tall phoenix
wintry blade
And I suppose to commune with the fortress
deft bramble
i never red any books about 40k, what are good books to start with? But if i dont care about space marines, primarchs, eldars, necrons, about all this big important stuff, mostly i like just imperium's human life, human worlds and hive cities, the Guard, just humans mostly, maybe a bit of inquisition and mechanicus. (And orks, i like orks too)
severe trail
i never red any books about 40k, what are good books to start with? But if i don...
For guard: gaunts ghosts, ciaphas cain, for mechanicus forge of mars trilogy, for general civilian/criminal life all of warhammer crime
tall phoenix
i never red any books about 40k, what are good books to start with? But if i don...
We also got a long list of good starter books in the pins
☝️
almost got every flavor you can need i think
severe trail
Yeah that also
deft bramble
uhmu... uhu... mm... ughu...
i hope i wont need to use translator to often, english is not my 1st language
tall phoenix
Minus some in-universe term you will probably be fine
deft bramble
lol, just checked 15 Hours by Mitchell Scanlon and it has audio-version in russian, nice
will read text version in english anyway
tall phoenix
I hope you get traumatized
brittle tapir
50+ HH books have prepared me for this moment.
yes, they've prepared you for disappointment
unborn merlin
yes, they've prepared you for disappointment
lol couldn’t have worded it better myself.
Listening to the books on audible makes the whole ordeal a tiny bit more tolerable.
brittle tapir
the fact that audiobooks are more expensive than physical copies even after shipping
it's like they want us to pirate
unborn merlin
I mean, they aren’t that expensive. I remember buying physical audiobooks and those were crazy expensive a lot of the time.
I drive a lot for work so the one credit a month subscription works perfectly for me, it’s only $15. Kinda the whole reason why it’s taken me this long to catch up.
I get my one bolter porn book every month and then I just usually listen to classic lit.
brittle tapir
I drive a lot for work so the one credit a month subscription works perfectly fo...
i find it very hard to drive and listen to an audiobook because everybody on the road is stupid
unborn merlin
That’s fair. I’m usually driving an upwards of six-eight hours a day for work so it helps with the monotony.
Lets me finish a lot of books at least.
unreal vault
🏴☠️
unborn merlin
Finished EoE, can finally start The End and the Death.
Not even that far into the book and I’m already feeling that bloat.
I like Ollanius but why does every book feel compelled to explain his whole life story every time 💀
tall phoenix
Not even that far into the book and I’m already feeling that bloat.
LMAO
Man im so sorry
but like... Abnett says at the end "imagine these 3 volumes as 1 book, it was how i envisioned it"
mfer that doenst help at all 💀
unborn merlin
but like... Abnett says at the end "imagine these 3 volumes as 1 book, it was ho...
When the silly bolter porn book is almost as long as the Bible.
GW let this man cook too much.
Regardless…I must persevere…
tall phoenix
🙏
slow pilot
i enjoy talking in books more then the action. what books are good for that.
cerulean peak
https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-237569...
I believe in you. Soon you'll have the Emperor's peace
digital saffron
GW let this man cook too much.
You should look at his marvel credits 
wise yew
but like... Abnett says at the end "imagine these 3 volumes as 1 book, it was ho...
Forcefully sending someone every single written book, novel stuff Dan abnett made can probably double as a zip bomb to someone with a neurochip
frigid osprey
You should look at his marvel credits <:nyehehe:1209744199897976852>
he's in the top 10 most published comic authors ever
And then there's allllll the stuff he's done for Warhammer
tall phoenix
Yeah I posted his marvel credits somewhere here in the past, it literally does not end
tall phoenix
googles
brittle tapir
come on dilara
how do you not know the best sci fi author of all time (according to scientology)
brittle tapir
well now you know the name of the founder
tall phoenix
hybrid turtle
Finally finished the ahriman omnibus, def one of the harder books ive read
Was pretty abstract at times and i didnt quite know what was being said and implied
random marlin
Hey Dilara, I'm in the process of reading Deathworlder and I'd like your help as I struggled to understand a passage. It's probably on me as English isn't my first language so I must have misunderstood what I was reading:
||At one point of the book, the group finds a Cadian position where the Cadian soldiers seem to be in the process of being digested by what looks like a lake of digestive material. Most of them still have their torsos out of the liquid and, at first, the Cadian lieutenant tries to help one of them as he thinks he may still be alive (they probably are and the Catachan officer just says "they're dead" so that they don't waste too much time with them I guess).
What I didn't understand was: how did they end up like this in the first place? From what I read, it looks as if they were just standing there and the digestive material just engulfed them and they weren't able to... move out of the way? Or the place just slowly started to fill with this acid liquid and they didn't move?
As they're described more or less standing, I don't understand how the situation happened in the first place.||
tall phoenix
Hey Dilara, I'm in the process of reading *Deathworlder* and I'd like your help ...
||Ah that scene, its basically done more as an artistic license moment more than something thats suppose to be lore accurate, the consumption cycle for Tyranids in reality tends to work with the main bulk of the fighting force just killing anyone they come across before ripper swarms and other consumption-focused units come in to gather bodies before throwing themselves to reclamation pools to melt.
Any other scenario doesn't really make sense and feels too goofy like Nids having thrown them in (which is like why?) or they were just walking through the area before not noticing it was a acid-lake (but this is also silly lol)||
tall phoenix
Was pretty abstract at times and i didnt quite know what was being said and impl...
Yeah this was my reaction reading the quadrilogy for the first ime.
I really appreciate what John French has done but the books were just not really for me, and i wasnt interested as much as I expected due to not exactly being the most hardcore T.Sons fan
hybrid turtle
idk if its like an older lore thing but i didnt get what was happening with magnus and those loose 'shards' of his
tall phoenix
Basically just multiple personality-beings due to how hard Leman shattered him over his knee.
Its dumb comic book shit.
random marlin
||Ah that scene, its basically done more as an artistic license moment more than...
Ok, I feel like the author didn't entirely succeed with that scene description then, as I ended up puzzled like "wait, how does this work" rather than feeling the horror of the situation.
I feel like Deathworlder could have a very nihilistic tone and offer something close to Annihilation in the description of this world's fate but it's taken the timeworn path of the McGuffin adventure with action-packed scenes. Kind of a missed opportunity, at least for my personal taste as I'd very much like to see more BL works offering something different than that again.
tall phoenix
Yeah the book is very much done in a Fellowship of the Ring format which isnt bad but it doesnt exactly just fit to the tone of the aftermath of a Tyranid invasion i feel tbh
random marlin
lol I hadn't thought of that but you're right, there's definitely a Fellowship vibe notably with ||the Genestealer Cult member accompanying them, kind of filling the shoes of Gollum||.
tall phoenix
LOL yeah didnt even think of that part 
Its why I described the book earlier as just "alright", it definitely would be more fun for someone that is less super-into 40k due its simplicity and plot
unborn merlin
Was pretty abstract at times and i didnt quite know what was being said and impl...
That tends to be the case for Thousand Sons books tbh.
Thought The Crimson King was difficult to follow at times. A good chunk of it was dream sequences and Amon flying through the warp.
I like my dusty boys a ton but not crazy about their vision quest adventures a lot of the time.
hybrid turtle
are the books about the death guard and the world eaters like that too or is it just part of the tzeentch theme
unborn merlin
are the books about the death guard and the world eaters like that too or is it ...
Moreso Tzeentch.
hybrid turtle
ah figures
tall phoenix
Yeah the other faction books are more simple
- Nurgle (literally has 1) and is more about the jolly nihilism of the god itself and the Death Guard
- Khorne is just the same old shit of "We used to be good warriors but now we are just NPC-tier psychopaths who kill people woe is me"
- Slaanesh is the same on the tin, they just barely got any books
unborn merlin
Pretty much
uneven crane
How would you make Khorne books more interesting, Dilara?
frigid osprey
in my daily Josh Reynolds mention, he wrote a lovely little short story for world eaters called Enyalius, In Memoriam
unborn merlin
How would you make Khorne books more interesting, Dilara?
Listened to Chosen of Khorne and there was a brief appearance of some berserker fleshtearer.
More stories involving traitors from more traditionally loyal legions and chapters would be cool.
uneven crane
Okay okay
unborn merlin
I guess you technically have The Fallen but there isn’t many books about them.
uneven crane
There's probably more books about chasing them if anything
unborn merlin
unborn merlin
So almost done with The End and the Death Part 1 and it does feel like nothing’s happened for half the book.
I knew the filler was real but HOLY 💀
wise yew
So almost done with The End and the Death Part 1 and it does feel like nothing’s...
That's what you get for reading the mid and the mid
unborn merlin
That's what you get for reading the mid and the mid
I was already way too deep into the Midrus Midresy to stop.
Listening to the audiobook so that makes the experience a little more tolerable.
Would never have finished it if I was forced to read John Grammaticus goof off in the warp for the hundredth time.
royal egret
That's what you get for reading the mid and the mid
You read Mike Brooks stuff and enjoy it I don’t wanna hear your thoughts on stuff being mid smh
wise yew
You read Mike Brooks stuff and enjoy it I don’t wanna hear your thoughts on stuf...
And i also don't ask for your opinion when you present them
But we all do that stuff now do we
royal egret
The first part is the best one probably, the second and third definitely could have been cut down a lot though.
Half the first part is legit just vignettes though
Which I enjoyed but if you don’t then you can probably skip a lot of it tbh
wise yew
Listening to the audiobook so that makes the experience a little more tolerable.
The fact that they can keep this entire circus of emperor f*** ups is always hilarious
unborn merlin
If the first part is considered the best then I’m not looking forward to the other two 
royal egret
I dunno how far in you are
unborn merlin
Uh got like two hours left for part 1.
royal egret
It picks up for sure, it’s just the first half is definitely more just setting the atmosphere with small one paragraph stories
unborn merlin
There’s shenanigans happening on the Vengeful Spirit.
And I just want them to hurry up so hawk boy can get shanked.
💀
I enjoyed the small character moments in EoE but this ain’t it Chief.
wise yew
Well at least when you finish the series you don't have to worry about it
So try hanging in their chief
unborn merlin
Well at least when you finish the series you don't have to worry about it
That’s my mentality tbh.
royal egret
You’re probably not gonna enjoy it then if you don’t like that stuff tbh
It’s what it is
unborn merlin
I’d like the filler more if the other six SoT books weren’t also filler.
unborn merlin
Solar War and First Wall are right there 
unborn merlin
Whenever Solar War gets mentioned around my vicinity.
royal egret
The only part I didn’t care for was the ending twist but that was pretty brief
royal egret
Mortis also suffered cause it was right after Saturnine and before Warhawk/EoE
They really should have combined the story of it and Saturnine I think or something. Also the Oll and Co scenes were unreadable
Literally can’t tell what’s going on beyond they keep traveling, French was completely unable to describe the locations well enough
unborn merlin
Out of the Siege books I really enjoyed The Lost and the Damned, Saturnine, Fury of Magnus, and EoE.
royal egret
It’s a scene which would work great in a show or movie and is terrible for a book
royal egret
Out of the Siege books I really enjoyed The Lost and the Damned, Saturnine, Fury...
How can you enjoy lost and the damned but not Warhawk
unborn merlin
One has beast men for most of it and one does not.
unborn merlin
cerulean peak
And also who the hell likes beastmen
I do
royal egret
That’s like your favorite wrestler being some mid card jobber that triple H beats up on slow days
royal egret
They were squatted in Fantasy too
cerulean peak
It's like GW don't want my money
royal egret
They just forgot to remove them from the lineup
wise yew
And also who the hell likes beastmen
Why are you so against people just having fun
Like okay they like Beastmen go ahead what's wrong with it
royal egret
I’m not but they legit have one or two actual scenes in the entire book
unborn merlin
I liked Lost and the Damned because it showed you how terrible the ground fighting was during the Siege and focused on several different character povs…oh wait…for some reason they decided to that for every book following it
royal egret
Don’t worry you won’t get any closure on Katshiro or however his name is spelled
unborn merlin
Yeah, I expected that.
royal egret
Tbh it’s probably for the best since it would most likely just be him dying
If he hasn’t already somehow
By the end it’s kinda hard to believe anyone survived
unborn merlin
Is Ingo still in dumb baby jail?
royal egret
Not clear
I assume he probably got out eventually
But we haven’t seen him in anything
unborn merlin
Yeah, GW sure loves doing that.
royal egret
AL in general we don’t know who made it from the more major figures so there’s that
unborn merlin
Can’t wait to get his book and mini ten years from now.
royal egret
He might show up in Pandamonium I think
I suspect he might be Deathrow
Although I’d kinda prefer Deathrow never being explained
Same with the College Immaterium
Alpha Legion in general is weird with how much support they get for stuff and also at the same time not getting much for other areas
wise yew
Alpha Legion in general is weird with how much support they get for stuff and al...
I'm just confused on how the f*** people decided to think that they are double siding pieces of shit
Like i'm pretty sure one of the most clear written things i've seen is them being completely chaos
royal egret
Same as anything else it’s just memes mostly
There’s a few references in the heresy series to some level of it but nothing strong
People also think Alpharius isn’t dead so
Even though it’s made as obvious and clear as can be in the book he is
Literal Omegon PoV of feeling him die
wise yew
People need some shit
final trench
Would never have finished it if I was forced to read John Grammaticus goof off i...
john grammaticus sounds like a made-up name and then you find out it's real and it's an important guy
unborn merlin
john grammaticus sounds like a made-up name and then you find out it's real and ...
The guy she tells you not to worry about.
royal egret
john grammaticus sounds like a made-up name and then you find out it's real and ...
They’re all made up names
Smh
final trench
big difference between canon and non canon names
i first heard the inventor/finder of the land raider's name was john land raider and that sounds nominally more stupid than arkhan land, the actual name
but id have literally 0 fucking clue that john land raider isnt the actual canon name due to dudes like john grammaticus
royal egret
It’s not the best but John Granmaticus isn’t that bad by 40k standards
final trench
or obi-wan sherlock clousseau
royal egret
Some are definitely dumber than others
final trench
sly marbo or ferrus or angron
royal egret
So it’s kinda supposed to be
Ferrus’s name is literally supposed to be Iron Hands also, that’s what he was called by the Medusans before he was found
final trench
not as stupid
severe trail
Goreterrox Soulreaper is my favorite silly name
royal egret
I know there’s one called the Scargiver which feels
Pretty lame as a title
I feel like giving scars shouldn’t be something you’re proud of
final trench
i dont think anything will ever top the black planet of Birmingham actually
royal egret
That one is actually a meme though
Like the Obi Wan one too is basically a meme name
final trench
i thinm there was one with santa and darth vader or smth
severe trail
Birmingham is just GW taking the piss
royal egret
Considering how many fucking names there are
final trench
oh by all means
royal egret
They do a pretty good job with trying to make planets have certain naming conventions too
final trench
but john grammaticus will forever be a dumb name and i dont care about how good of a character he might be
key word, might
royal egret
You especially see this with the Terran and native legionnaires for the heresy
You can generally tell which they are by their name
final trench
examples?
royal egret
Like Iron Hands Terrans tend to have biblical Jewish name
Shadrak, Moses, Enoch
While Iron Hands from Medusa have more of a bastardized Scottish deal
And this goes for other legions too although their root name theme varies
Scars are another easy one
final trench
what is the convention for night lords?
royal egret
For Terran I’m not sure, we don’t know a ton of Terran NLs
final trench
the first claw trilogy has uzas, which could be slavic i suppose, and then talos, which is just..
royal egret
Malcharion is the main one which I believe was Terran
To be clear it’s rarely ever one thing too
Night Lords culture tends to be based around obvious Romanian/Gothic elements but it’s also just in general gangs and stuff too
Some of the Nostroman dudes basically come off as gangsters
Then you have the Painted Count whose from their nobility and kinda holds himself that way
final trench
xarl is another one which is... weird
royal egret
Xarl and Talos are both very much scrappy street kids
Malcharion was and is more disciplined
Kherion is a rare case of a night lord whose actually brave too
Uzas was a case of a proper leader as well
Night Lords definitely lean more into the fearing their leaders over being inspired by them
But it varied and they definitely were a lot more disciplined during the Heresy and GC than they are now
final trench
well, if i got shafted as hard as them, i sure as shit wouldnt care about that stuff anymore
royal egret
Not that that’s a unique trait for chaos legions, mostly only the Death Guard and Word Bearers actually maintained their legion structure and discipline
final trench
iron warriors?
final trench
did perturabo just fuck off and leave all of them behind?
royal egret
He did some stuff with them
And has done some stuff recently
But it seems he doesn’t care to lead them beyond occasional mass actions
And they mostly fight as separate Warbands vying for power
They’re more united than some legions like WE and EC
But that’s not a high bar
final trench
we not being completely eradicated or turned to daemons is a surprise to me
final trench
they got enough nails?
royal egret
Their most recent codex goes into how extensive their Warbands systems are for making new marines
royal egret
they got enough nails?
That’s probably the cheapest part tbh
My favorite thing is the final step of the nails surgery is to hammer it in
tall phoenix
I knew the filler was real but HOLY 💀
Its just not a great trilogy in any way, just has cool highlights.
It DOES a bit pick up in Book 2
Book 3 turns into a One Punch Man episode
unborn merlin
Doesn’t part three have Horus and Big E playing Yu Gi Oh to the death?
tall phoenix
Yep.
Im probably just cynical but like the entire Horus vs Big E segment in book 3 is some of the most hilarious part of 40k fiction I read.
Like people taking it seriously as if its some elden ring-tier godly epic battle while every time Horus slaps Big E some random mfer steps infront to go "NOOO HORUS WAIT!"
royal egret
I liked the centaurs personally
tall phoenix
LMAO
honestly though yeah i get what Abnett was doing but man it just got too much after abit.
I do like how it showed though that the Emperor really has no plan, he constantly gets away because he either has people sacrificing themselves for him and giving him any second to come up with some alternative
royal egret
Some interesting new releases also
unborn merlin
Im probably just cynical but like the entire Horus vs Big E segment in book 3 is...
Is it any goofier than Khayon summing demons like they were Pokémon?
tall phoenix
Airplane book my beloved
royal egret
She can fly, right into PTSD
tall phoenix
Is it any goofier than Khayon summing demons like they were Pokémon?
Uhhh its just too "anime" id say? Like it legit gets ridiculous but its 40k so i cant really say much lol
People say the card scene is more than just the silly yugioh comparison people make it out to be but like... it really isnt
unborn merlin
Who let this man cook?
tall phoenix
Uhh theres an afterword section at the end of book 3
royal egret
Just read the book need
tall phoenix
Spoilers but Nick Kyme was Abnett's editor
and he told him and I quote
"Just write as much as you want, dont worry about the wordcount"
unborn merlin
I’ll probably get around to book three around August. Usually do one bolter porn book a month.
Still need to finish the Twin Peake books but got side tracked 💀
tall phoenix
Yeah thats fair, like i said read it and be the judge yourself, the books are generally liked but its important to remember they this is the "flux" opinion that floats above ground lol
royal egret
It does also have centaurs
tall phoenix
SHUT UP ABOUT THE CENTAURS
unborn merlin
Centaurs are pretty cool tho 
royal egret
You’re just jealous you don’t have any centaurs
tall phoenix
Centaurs are pretty cool tho <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
they got Horus Lupercal's torso
unborn merlin
That’s wild.
royal egret
Hot
royal egret
I mean if like father like son…..
tall phoenix
BRUH
unborn merlin
Yeah thats fair, like i said read it and be the judge yourself, the books are ge...
I usually agree with you in most cases. We all know the books are salad dressing to sell minis. Even the books I really don’t like have nice little moments so I’m not expecting the other two books to be amazing.
tall phoenix
Yeah like Eternal said it best, the trilogy has neat ideas and scenes
the problem is it has so much bloat
its actually insane how much you can cut out of these books
royal egret
They keep cutting to all these lame evens with this big golden dude and his friends
tall phoenix
^
royal egret
When they could go back to the real stars
tall phoenix
We do not even see the Emperor get entombed on the throne
royal egret
John Grammticus
unborn merlin
John really needed a book dedicated to himself like fr.
cerulean peak
We do not even see the Emperor get entombed on the throne
That's for the next series
tall phoenix
God the Scouring
but yeah I very much respect Abnett for managing this undertaking since it took him like 2 years to write or longer iirc but he really needed someone to tell him to just stop
like i legit was losing my mind when instead of describing the color blue in some section he uses the fucking... ancient egyptian word for it from the thesaurus
like... enough PLEASE
frigid osprey
I wanna see the second founding, that would be sick
unborn merlin
They’d be stupid not to do the scouring. You can do like…fifty more anthology books
tall phoenix
Also its absolutely needed to keep 30k relevant from a miniature standpoint.
tall phoenix
Yeah and some like more padding novels in-between
royal egret
Stuff like that
runic peak
more marine on marine violence can't wait
royal egret
Idk if it’ll be that many books though
frigid osprey
I need to see Autek Mor and his band of Red Talons kick some ass
tall phoenix
Idk if it’ll be that many books though
We said the same with the Heresy in like 2001
lol
royal egret
Just read the black books
cerulean peak
Abnett will be mandated to write about the entierity of the scouring
frigid osprey
I have, need More Mor
tall phoenix
They will definitely milk it out but probably not over the span of like 20 years, i really dont think anyone has the energey for that.
cerulean peak
With no holds
unborn merlin
I need to see Autek Mor and his band of Red Talons kick some ass
Let this man cook.
royal egret
I wouldn’t expect more than like ten novels for that tbh
And I don’t think it’ll go that far
tall phoenix
Writing this down for a "i told you so" comeback in the next 5-10 years
royal egret
I don’t think they’ll do a series so much as keep it a setting with some major events but we’ll see
tall phoenix
The core is to keep the 30k tabletop elements relevant like i said
so they'll probably center it around that
and like the usual mid-30k battles and shit
not sure how much post-HH content we'll get but the gears still match and can be used
royal egret
I wouldn’t be shocked either way
I expect a few major events to get books
Beyond that idk
unborn merlin
A book about the Dark Angels going back to Caliban to get absolutely bodied by Luther would be dope…but it’ll probably just be written by Gav Thorpe again…
tall phoenix
cant wait for the Iron Cage to make every I.F and I.W fan to bitch about something
unborn merlin
tall phoenix
A book about the Dark Angels going back to Caliban to get absolutely bodied by L...
LOL
royal egret
It turns out, no one won
tall phoenix
nuh uh
royal egret
The real winner was the friends we made along the way
runic peak
they died
tall phoenix
my faction killed (insert enemy marines here] than yours
royal egret
The winner was us, the reader, as we got to read a lot of shooting and exploding
tall phoenix
lol
unborn merlin
My Primarch said a super awesome Reddit gold worthy remark towards your Primarch ☝️🤓
royal egret
Your primarch made a light jab and mine made a thinly veiled gay joke back about his sons having cancer
Mine clearly won
wise yew
My Primarch said a super awesome Reddit gold worthy remark towards your Primarch...
I've been waiting for an opportunity to tell someone that primarchs are by products of a failed father that wanted to have ambition
runic peak
Perturabo definitely uses grimdank daily
unborn merlin
I’d read an Iron Cage book series if it’s just Perty and Dorn trying to out shitpost one another.
frigid osprey
Perturabo raging about Matt Ward on Reddit
cerulean peak
cant wait for the Iron Cage to make every I.F and I.W fan to bitch about somethi...
Yes please. || it'll only be from the Ultramarines POV||
unborn merlin
Yes please. || it'll only be from the Ultramarines POV||
During the climax of the battle….JOHN FUCKING GRAMMATICUS APPEARS!
unborn merlin
slow pilot
@tall phoenix wtf...
A warhammer book with a relatively happy ending
Kingmaker was awesome
tall phoenix
Basically not trusting the assassinorum and paving her own way
slow pilot
what was the vindication transmition she got though?
tall phoenix
Uh that i dont remember, i read this like over a year ago lol
slow pilot
she got a transmition in her head and it said she could only understand one word "vindication". maybe it just sets up for a future book or just something to keep you thinking.
genefather up next
waiting for it to get here
tall phoenix
🙏
genefather is also a good one its just also pretty much a setup book for Cawl's next adventure
unborn merlin
Genefather is a banger.
verbal junco
I want more Cawl
Honestly Cawl could probably convince Trazyn to accompany him to the funky blackhole world cause there would be a lot of stuff Trazyn wants there
severe trail
the real fan service in that book wasn't the Skitarii Marshal, it was the Kastelan robots tearing those CSM and cultists in half
slow pilot
genefather is also a good one its just also pretty much a setup book for Cawl's ...
Guy Haley is goat
🐐
My favorite scene he wrote is the one where guilliman is sitting down with an eldari and Felix and discussing what makes somone a god
Second dark imperium book where he is contemplating if somone has the powers of a God does that make them a god.
unborn merlin
Haley does comedy pretty well.
unborn merlin
Guy Haley is goat
I know you’re reading Genefather but have you read Wolfsbane yet? It’s sort of a prequel to both Cawl books and gets overlooked because it’s a HH novel.
simple hamlet
What’s the most essential book for a new Warhammer 40k fan ?
severe trail
What’s the most essential book for a new Warhammer 40k fan ?
The Core Rulebook(if you want to get an overview on every single faction), if not then there's a reading list in the pins
I do not recomend horus heresy as a start to getting into 40k personally
Mostly since Horus Heresy is not really relevant to modern lore beyond the broad strokes
wise yew
I do not recomend horus heresy as a start to getting into 40k personally
And it also has a notorious runtime
It takes a long while to finish let's just say
sterile lake
What’s the most essential book for a new Warhammer 40k fan ?
https://www.audible.com/pd/B075QLD2C2?source_code=ASSORAP0511160006&share_location=pdp
I started here. It was easy to get into and good inquisitor story.
frigid osprey
I agree, start with 40k not Horus Heresy, it's really a separate setting
forest spruce
Is Huron Blackheart master of the maelstorm any good?
tall phoenix
I found it pretty inconsequential
forest spruce
Hm I need books to get so I don't waste credits on audible 😭
tall phoenix
royal egret
Is Huron Blackheart master of the maelstorm any good?
Not really no imo
forest spruce
Then any good book recommendations
I'm still struggling through tomb of the martyr and I'll need a pallet cleanser
royal egret
Uh idk what do you like
Pandorax is a fun wild book, Helsreach, Infinite and the Divine, Kingmaker, Titanicus, Double Eagle, Your Mom, Steve Parker’s Deathwatch, Valedor, Twice Dead King duology, Ghaz’s book, Dante/Devastation of Baal, Night Lords trilogy, Word Bearers trilogy, William King space wolf books
There go read all those and don’t come back until you have
sterile lake
I have not read “your mom” is that about the origin of the warp?
slow pilot
https://www.audible.com/pd/B075QLD2C2?source_code=ASSORAP0511160006&share_locati...
i think most people star with the eisenhorn books
its the gateway drug to warhammer lol
sterile lake
its the gateway drug to warhammer lol
I picked them up because I love Dan abnett as a cosmic comic book writer.
slow pilot
I picked them up because I love Dan abnett as a cosmic comic book writer.
i like dan abnett but i feel like he over explains things too much
sterile lake
But they are that first taste…
slow pilot
you dont need an entire page explaining what a bar looks like lol
sterile lake
Yes lol
slow pilot
Eisenhorn is a pretty tragic story though
slow pilot
its a good example of what happens when you think the ends justify the means
Guilliman is falling into that trap
forest spruce
Pandorax is a fun wild book, Helsreach, Infinite and the Divine, Kingmaker, Tita...
Thanks
hybrid turtle
so how was the horus heresy series planned out with all the different writers? like did they follow the previously established big moments and just imagine everything in between
tall phoenix
It was originally suppose to be like 4-5 novels
then they realised people love marine slop and expanded it out into an entire series due to how much money it was making and forgeworld products they sold off of it
It just followed the EXTREMELY rough outline from the previous card game based on the Heresy as well so it was mostly a to-do list
hybrid turtle
ahhh
tall phoenix
Yeah otherwise its mostly what you said in the latter bits of yoru statement, just add to the gaps between events with filler content with a few gems here and there, otherwise just slopgeddon.
I say this as a person thats read like 33 out of 55 books of it lol
cerulean peak
You will enjoy Battle for the Abyss
severe trail
unborn merlin
Did the math and I finished 40 HH novels. Maybe only ten of them were actually worth it (that’s just my opinion of course).
Then on top of that you have the siege which is another ten books and the Primarch series if you want to be a completionist.
wide mica
Personally I've not read any HH books yet, but if I was to start I'd probably just read the Primarch books which interest me. Not planning on reading the whole series
random marlin
There's also this video where Arbitor Ian reviews Horus Heresy books so that the least interesting ones can be skipped: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1m8gmu3Nyc
hybrid turtle
Are the dan abnett ones good though? I really liked eisenhorn
tall phoenix
The Abnett ones are the most high rated ones in that video
if you scroll down you can see someone making a text version of Ian's tierlist
royal egret
Are the dan abnett ones good though? I really liked eisenhorn
The biggest issue with Abnetts books imo is they create character and arcs which could have been explored more by him and made better, but instead a lot ended up with authors who didn’t make them work
The books are still great though
Legion is actually frustrating to me because Abnett didn’t really do a AL focused thing again and it was my favorite take on them
hybrid turtle
Ahh shame
Yeah seems like a waste that some writers can take like full responsibility
royal egret
But yeah, Know No Fear, Horus Rising, Legion are all stellar for the main series
Saturnine is my favorite siege book of that series
royal egret
Yeah seems like a waste that some writers can take like full responsibility
The main issue is just it’s too big a series and Abnett does too much other stuff, as well as other authors
These guys were also doing a lot of Fantasy, 40k, eventually AoS, and other projects besides while writing these
Most of the BL authors which are known do a lot outside of BL
tall phoenix
Abnett is probably the busiest one out of all of them too
He has written movie scripts, a shit ton of comics and many unrelated novels
guy has been doing it for like decades
royal egret
I genuinely don’t get it especially because his stuff basically always maintains quality even if he does have better stuff.
That being said if he could hurry up with GG and Pandamonium
tall phoenix
Its basically what you get from being a Harvard graduate author, he very much has that old guy whimsy author mindset most of us wouldnt really grasp.
its how you look at someone like Tolkien and see in interviews hes never really fully there and always thinking of something.
royal egret
Mfer doesn’t wanna end GG so bad he’s making a prequel series
hybrid turtle
Oooh what movie scripts did he write
royal egret
Guardians of the Galaxy
tall phoenix
^
royal egret
Or was a part of it
tall phoenix
theres 3-4 other ones but it was mostly co-writing credits
unreal vault
Wait what
hybrid turtle
Oh cool
tall phoenix
Wait what
He was a part of the guys behind the comic reboot
guy has been with Marvel since like the 90's
lol
tall phoenix
Yeeee his comic stuff is one of the things you can see fingerprints of all over his 40k stuff lol
since well its basically the same thing
iron ore
God I just wanna be an author
mellow knot
Along with another guy
Andy Lanning
brazen lance
hey guys!
so I'm looking to get into the WH40k books for the first time and I was wondering if anyone has any recommendations? I'd like to start at least somewhere around the "beginning" so I was thinking of starting off with a book or series centered around the Emperor. however with that being said, I don't have any clue where in the timeline his story begins lol.
I kind of just assumed it would be around the beginning.
brazen lance
that would have been smart 🤔
uneven crane
Wouldnt the Horus Heresy be the closest thing to covering Emperor?
Though, you're also going to be reading 50 books worth of varying quality
brazen lance
is there a list of authors generally considered to have written the highest quality stuff?
uneven crane
I dont think we got one, just the list of books that are good for those wanting to get into the lore more and are beginners
Should find some repeated authors in there
brazen lance
oh jesus christ there are 54 books covering the horus heresy LMAO thats what you meant
I see...
alright tell you what, I'll go read all of them and report back for future recommendations. see you in... 10 years? 🤔
unborn merlin
There isn’t a series that center on the Emperor.
brazen lance
dang
unborn merlin
He plays a pretty small role in the HH series with the occasional cameo.
There’s his big lore dump book The Master of Mankind but I don’t recommend making that your introduction.
Has a lotta heavy plot spoilers if you aren’t aware how the heresy goes down.
The rest of his lore stuff isn’t really addressed until the Siege books which waaaaaaaay into the series.
brazen lance
hmmm ok. I know some tidbits back when I read the wiki off and on, but nothing chronological
digital saffron
Horus Rising is pretty good
unborn merlin
Master of Mankind is a pretty good book but I wouldn’t recommend it unless you’ve already read the first three books.
brazen lance
Master of Mankind is a pretty good book but I wouldn’t recommend it unless you’v...
the first three books being the original HH trilogy?
unborn merlin
Even new readers should stay away from the heresy until they’ve stretched their sea legs.
unborn merlin
the first three books being the original HH trilogy?
Yeah
tall phoenix
There's also this video where Arbitor Ian reviews Horus Heresy books so that the...
Use this video as a honest and blunt viewing point of the series and probably pick what book you wanna read from it.
A great portion of the Horus Heresy is badly written slop stretched to make money.
Out of like 55 of those books maybe like 30 of them are kinda worth reading
unborn merlin
uneven crane
Personally I would just ignore HH entirely
unborn merlin
Definitely less than 30 lol.
uneven crane
Ive never read them, mind you, but they dont sound great
tall phoenix
They arent
unborn merlin
20 is being very generous.
tall phoenix
They got some gems and thats kind of it
uneven crane
15, final offer
tall phoenix
I'll take it, hard bargain
uneven crane
Deal 🤝
tall phoenix
🤝
unborn merlin
15 is pretty fair I think.
I mostly look at the heresy as pulpy action books with the occasional glimmer of genius.
Gotta know what you’re getting into so you’re not completely disappointed.
There’s some pretty fucking bad books tho…
uneven crane
@brazen lance Not to try and dissuade you from learning more about Big E, but you should try seeing him less as a character and more as an event that caused things to happen, because otherwise things start to not make much sense.
tall phoenix
^
In the current setting hes a literal plot device
down to giving visions to people for book objectives lol
brazen lance
I see. I love the almighty god-like character tropes in fantasy settings
tall phoenix
It has gods as characters more than a background plot convenience/deus ex machina entity for starters.
Also you got people like Sigmar whos a genuinely good person compared to space hitler
unborn merlin
Space Hitler has really nice hair tho.
uneven crane
Okay, genuinely good person, or genuinely good character? Because a character like the emperor could absolutely be a good character if he were written to be one in the first place, while also being an awful person
brazen lance
lmao is Horus space hitler?
unborn merlin
Beautiful flowing hair
uneven crane
No, she's referring to Big E
tall phoenix
^
The guy that declared literal galactic jihad on the entire galaxy and made billions of human inhabited planets join him through force or outright exterminated them alongside aliens that were just hostile or didnt wanna do anything to em
unborn merlin
To be fair, if my options were becoming a giant pulsating ball of mucus and decaying matter because my planet was invaded by Nurgle worshippers or following Big E it’s kind of a no brainer.
At least the Big E route ends with me getting turned into corpse starch when I die (I hope).
unborn merlin
Big E tried jump starting mankind’s manifest destiny 30K years early and got fucked over by chaos when he said “Nuh uh”.
uneven crane
Okay but taking the chaos bit aside, he still garnered the death of millions of xenos species
uneven crane
I was hesitant to add "independent" humans but fair enough lmao
tall phoenix
They were much actively hunted any pocket of humans, one of the Fulgrim/Ferrus book has them both exterminate a human group co-existing with aliens and their last message was "We just wanted to be left alone"
unborn merlin
Yeah, the great crusade was pretty much one big effort to force mankind under his banner. And maybe virus bomb a few craftworlds along the way.
uneven crane
Bruh
cerulean peak
All that hh speak makes me want to start reading it
cerulean peak
Every time I finish a warhammer book I have to choose between Horus Rising or anything else
Makes me think every time
uneven crane
shame they are illiterate
tall phoenix
Every time I finish a warhammer book I have to choose between Horus Rising or an...
My current reading list is the Lelith book
just unlocked today
love me some evil lesbian gladiatrix
unborn merlin
The Ferrus Primarch book is a pretty funny read tbh.
Dude tries to not be Ferrus for two seconds and says fuck it. We bombing the shit out of this planet.
cerulean peak
I was too busy to read as of late but i'm finishing kingmaker in a few pages
Definitely going in my S tier
cerulean peak
My eyes
tall phoenix
I was too busy to read as of late but i'm finishing kingmaker in a few pages
Kingmaker has become one my top favorite 40k books, legit love when authors just make a "fun" 40k novel with a ton of dark comedy
it almost has a James Gunn movie vibe
One of the rarest occassions where i finished it in a single day lol
unborn merlin
Still haven’t read Kingmaker. Too busy slogging through SoT.
tall phoenix
Good, suffer
tall phoenix
tall phoenix
Rath is a rising star atm
unborn merlin
I just know he’s cooking up something nice and tasty so I can spend my hard earned money on more Warhammer slop.
cerulean peak
I have a selection of 30 HH books plus the SoT
unborn merlin
Doesn’t he also write for the YouTube channel ExtraHistory?
cerulean peak
Am I mad enough to read then back to back
unborn merlin
Yes
cerulean peak
All right, see you in a while
unborn merlin
Emperor protect you…you crazy crazy son of a bitch…
cerulean peak
I will walk in your steps
slow pilot
Rath is a rising star atm
I heard his new cadia book wasn't very good
And I think it was like almost 700 pages
royal egret
Yeah the main complaint I heard was the audiobook
Which they actually re did
That’s how bad it was I guess
But the book itself is fine
Retreads stuff we knew mostly but it’s well done
severe trail
I heard his new cadia book wasn't very good
the book itself is good, the audiobooks narrator is terrible
slow pilot
I heard that it doesn't get good until the third act
severe trail
having read the book its good throughout imo
its just slower paced
its also very fat yeah
slow pilot
I want a fallow up to king maker
severe trail
its like 500 to 600 pages
tall phoenix
I heard that it doesn't get good until the third act
The entire book is very good, highly recommend a read on it
never trust the word of mouth in this fandom, its almost always wrong
wide mica
Especially don’t trust the people at the GW stores, guy once recommended the war of the Beast series to me as “the best 40K series ever written”
royal egret
I think its legal to smack him with a crowbar if he says that.
Not sure but I'm pretty certain.
unreal vault
The latest FAQ clarified that, so yes.
iron ore
Yeah the main complaint I heard was the audiobook
people still having their bedtime stories read to them mad at the quality of their bedtime story
unborn merlin
Fall of Cadia was great, the original audiobook not so much (had the displeasure of buying it). I enjoyed it a ton and is worth the plasteel.
Kinda mad that audible won’t switch my current copy of the audiobook to the new narrator.
Would have to buy it again.
drowsy urchin
Audible gives refunds pretty loosely so you can most likely get a refund for the original one and replace it with the new one with the credit it's worth
wide mica
Finally got my copy of Leliths book, it’s tiny
unborn merlin
Audible gives refunds pretty loosely so you can most likely get a refund for the...
Maybe I’ll try that. I technically got it bundled with Hammer & Anvil so not sure if that’ll muddy the waters.
drowsy urchin
ah, that might change things but worth a try nevertheless
wide mica
Finally got my copy of Leliths book, it’s tiny
Like putting Queen of Knives next to Honourbound it's like half the size
brittle tapir
mf has the hardbacks
wide mica
Yes
slow pilot
slow pilot
hardbacks are always bigger
wide mica
They're both Hardback
split acorn
Are any of the warhammer for kids books any good or is there any good graphic novels besides the one with marnius calgar?
tall phoenix
the kids book are pretty alright
ive read a few, they arent much but i didnt hate them lol
severe trail
Are any of the warhammer for kids books any good or is there any good graphic no...
The warhammer for kids books are like warhammer books meant for 10 to 12 year olds and they are in fact very warhammery
Child VS. Gauss Flayer
digital saffron
Cyclonic torpedo vs coughing baby
royal egret
All I know is my foot is for your ass.
tall phoenix
cerulean peak
evryone told me the HH was just slop
so far it's been mostly "philosophical" debates
tall phoenix
what book are you at
cerulean peak
horus rising
tall phoenix
Nah the "slop" part is basically uh- okay let me explain
cerulean peak
Ya'll have groomed me to hate the horus heresy
tall phoenix
The universal opinion with HH is
- First 3 books are great, because Abnett
- Other books by him in the series are also great
- Anything in between ranges from pure Slop/Meh/Eh/Fun/Ok
A large majority legit just sucks though, you definitely will notice the more you read it.
cerulean peak
the unfamous salamanders books 💀
cerulean peak
its ok I dont plan on reading them
tall phoenix
LOL
yeah if you want to just stick to Ian's video
he gives the best unbiased reviews for all of them
tall phoenix
🙏
cerulean peak
that Loken guy seems pretty cool tho
unreal vault
The remembrancers are a neat highlight in the books
I love ignace, he is such a slob
If there was a Horus heresy movie I want Matt Berry as ignace
tall phoenix
Hmmm someone is obsessed
unreal vault
??
cerulean peak
yea the remembrancers are nice so far
unreal vault
Totally
cerulean peak
Those luna wolves seems like paragons of mankind
unreal vault
You should hear abaddon in the second audio book
Toby changed his voice and he sounds funny
Myeah amm baddd myeahhh
tall phoenix
^
I would make uh
"What are we uhhh some kinda Horus heresy?"
but that literally happens in one of the fucking books when Guilliman does a title-drop
cerulean peak
30 pages in they drop the black legioin
tall phoenix
Same with "Astartes fighting other Astartes? Such a notion was comical."
I GET IT DAN
tall phoenix
I laughed my ass off
Its legit out of a comic book
which it being Abnett checks out
"Ah yes a guy named Erebus, the literal child of chaos, i can trust him."
tall phoenix
Honestly like
Horus Rising is legit so fucking funny
especially when you know Abnett wasnt trying to make it a comedy lol
unreal vault
It genuinely is
cerulean peak
yea sometimes I have that weird vibe because I know all that happens afterwards
unreal vault
Dan, what made you think || Samus || was cool
tall phoenix
I love how the name Samus is so pop-culture literally all we can think of is Metroid
tall phoenix
yea sometimes I have that weird vibe because I know all that happens afterwards
It definitely is a bit obnoxious at parts but its fine
tall phoenix
Yeah its nice to have a Daemon whos just a random daemon
minus his fucking braindead catchphrase
"IM RIGHT BEHIND YOU, IM RIGHT BESIDE YOU, TEEHEE"
unreal vault
SAMUS IS HERE WOOOOOOOO
unreal vault
As funny as erebuses introduction is, || I was kinda annoyed they didn't properly set up his untrustworthy-ness in the first book, so in the second they had to make an awkward flashback ||
tall phoenix
Yeah alas, could be worse i guess
unborn merlin
so far it's been mostly "philosophical" debates
It doesn’t get more philosophical than Battle for the Abyss.
cerulean peak
it was all for nothing
unborn merlin
It was truly grimdank.
Don’t be afraid to ask for opinions on what to skip. Most of us here have read most if not all of the heresy.
I could only stomach forty of them and not losing sleep over the fact that I didn’t finish the other fourteen anthology books.
digital saffron
unborn merlin
Who’s narrating the book?
drowsy urchin
unsure, does sound familiar though
unborn merlin
The old artwork fucks pretty hard.
slow pilot
reason i love guy haley is because his books overlap with each other. in genefather you get to see the other side of the conversation from dark imperium and get more context.
hybrid turtle
its so good how it can switch between huge battles and plots, and them watching a human play and cafe
sour socket
I love their moment in the cathedral
Also the little flavor details are soo good
Like the one moment when an advisor of Trazyn had to clear his vocal actuators because they froze up over the three years it took him to think something up lol
slow patrol
Can someone recommend me some horror warhammer 40k books I just recently started learning a little about the lore but I prefer the horror books
severe trail
Can someone recommend me some horror warhammer 40k books I just recently started...
Unholy: Tales of Horror and Woe from the Imperium
Its a horror of 40k horror
though generally speaking Warhammer Horror the series is def much more of a AoS and WHFB thing
slow patrol
What’s AoS and WHFB? lol sorry
lavish badger
Can someone recommend me some horror warhammer 40k books I just recently started...
"Requiem Infernal" by Peter Fehervari is really solid. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/71637662
slow patrol
Thank you guys!!!
unborn merlin
finished infinite and the divine...
forest spruce
It took so long to build up. I did like thull though takes a special kind of nut job to steal entire cathedrals
Any opinion on sea of souls?
tall phoenix
Its bad and doesnt have much to do with the main narrative of the series.
forest spruce
Damn
Guess I'll read something else to cleanse my pallet before i jump back into dawn of fire
Like I'm determined to finish the series but man I can't do another book like the last 2
tall phoenix
Now its too late....
slow pilot
holy shit the fall of cadia audio book is nearly 20 hours
slow pilot
Like most of the Dawn of Fire
books 1 2 and 4 were good
tall phoenix
books 1 2 and 4 were good
So and so
tall phoenix
holy shit the fall of cadia audio book is nearly 20 hours
Its good you fucking loser LISTEN TO IT NOW!!!!!
🫵
slow pilot
Its good you fucking loser **LISTEN TO IT NOW!!!!!**
i mostly read and im reading genefather right now. i waited 8 months!
forest spruce
It's so good
severe trail
it is a rath book
tall phoenix
Yes.
severe trail
so mix of both
tall phoenix
^
slow pilot
i like the talking more then action
tall phoenix
Then you'll love it
half of it is like
Creed being depressed
and overworked
very relatable lmfao
slow pilot
i dont know any of the characters
forest spruce
I honestly don't care about combat too much
tall phoenix
i dont know any of the characters
Lexicanum is your friend nerd
also if you dont know who Ursarkar Creed is you definitely will be facing the firing squad after the exam
forest spruce
Welp I'm stuck choosing between kingmaker Lucas the trickster or the great work for my next book
forest spruce
Yeah I've also got devastation of baal on my list but Ive read enough bolter prawn for now
slow pilot
i already have a backlog of books
tall phoenix
get to work you nerds
slow pilot
dont need one thats over 600 pages
im reading my first sigmar book next
why does the arkanauts have 2 narrators
@tall phoenix i hate you
Should I read the story about his daughter first? I got this as a gift but haven't got
gotten around to it
royal egret
Welp I'm stuck choosing between kingmaker Lucas the trickster or the great work ...
They’re all great it just depends on what you’re looking for
One thing I’ll say is, The Great Work is the only one with a direct sequel
So you could maybe read that last and go into genefather
tall phoenix
Should I read the story about his daughter first? I got this as a gift but haven...
Read her book after it
she has nothing to do with Fall of Cadia, especially since her entire origin story is she was born from a random officer Creed hooked up with offscreen
slow pilot
Read her book after it
i read up on creed, what other characters do i need to know about.
brittle tapir
that whiteshield girl if you want more cadian shitters
brittle tapir
she got a novel though right?
more cadian slop
and she's in the dog shit cadia stands book
tall phoenix
She has like 4 novels
tall phoenix
and she's in the dog shit cadia stands book
Barely though shes a side character whiteshield
brittle tapir
wdym she's one of the main characters no?
royal egret
Ur a random white shield
severe trail
Child soldier #2164
forest spruce
So you could maybe read that last and go into genefather
So about that I've already read gene father
sour socket
Should I go with Angels of Darkness, Dark Apostle, or Dawn of Fire?
hearty niche
Alright almost finished with gaunts ghosts book first and only. wasn’t that great I’ll be honest
Is two better?
wintry blade
I am once again asking for literary support
(I’m out of books to read)
And out of audiobooks
unreal vault
I can send you a link to a place full of them
wintry blade
No no, I don’t mean physical lack
wintry blade
I just don’t have any more im interested in
unreal vault
😔
wintry blade
I just don’t have any more im interested in
I don’t want to read the 900th boring ass imperial book
Or space marine bolterporn
wintry blade
I’ve read every half decent xenos book
unreal vault
I don't really like reading action tbh
unreal vault
Especially when it's filled with gobbly g00k
wintry blade
With few very notable exceptions
And the exceptions are amazing
But the rest are just eh
unreal vault
I'm hoping to read the calth series
wintry blade
I just finished reading blackstone fortress omnibus and listening to prophets of waagh
Both good
But prophets of waaagh was great but too short
Like most xenos content is good but there’s just not enough of it
forest spruce
I'm currently going through kingmaker and almost half way through it. It's amazing how fast you can get through a book when it's actually good
glares at dawn of fire
tall phoenix
Kingmaker i think is the peak example of a self-contained story in 40k working super well.
The plot isnt dark as hell, has great black comedy and includes a great cast of awful but fun characters
forest spruce
I'm gonna take notes for when I write my OCS backstory
severe trail
Kingmaker hits 40k's dark comedy notes perfectly a lot of the time
tall phoenix
the part with the knights killing "traitor" villagers in the fucking arena made me laugh way too much ngl
also the baroness naming the dogs with Caine, Yarrick and Gaunt lmao
severe trail
I think one of the funniest moments is the noble getting lynched lol
because the villagers think she's a traitor and her entire perspective is they're too stupid/ineffective to harm her
tall phoenix
Its the best way ive seen the assassins use their abilities for stuff like that yeah, its so good.
cerulean peak
Yea once the assassins decide to go on their killing spree it's nice to see what they can do
forest spruce
Pffft a bunch of hunting hounds are named after imperial heros. They are the goodest boys
forest spruce
also the baroness naming the dogs with Caine, Yarrick and Gaunt lmao
Also it was creed gaunt mecharus and yarrick. Sadly no caine
tall phoenix
aw damn it i forgot
forest spruce
Yeah it's ok though everybody forget mecharus
tall phoenix
its a great book 👀
tall phoenix
forest spruce
Well I'm sure it will be good cause it's Robert rath
tall phoenix
yeah he does good stuff this included
forest spruce
He needs more books
frozen hinge
Im halfway done through the 3rd nightlords book and i dont like whats gonna happen
royal egret
Just remember they all deserve worse
tall phoenix
^
frigid osprey
ADB did his job well basically
tall phoenix
Idk why people romanticize these scumbags so much lol
frigid osprey
it feels like an ongoing tragedy even though they're awful and have no redeeming features
royal egret
That’s cause he makes them sad
tall phoenix
I never felt bad at any of them just dying tbh
I mostly laughed
these are people made into marines from literal rapists and murderers
royal egret
Which is impressive considering they were like eight.
Those scumbags were industrious on Nostramo
frigid osprey
i didn't feel bad when they died but i did find myself getting a little bit invested in it
partly why it's so good i guess, it wouldn't be as engaging if they were just hateable all the time
tall phoenix
I got invested but I just kinda dont like night lords due to their fanbase.
They basically got this one series to their name so it gets a bit tiring.
frigid osprey
deffo valid
i think lots of chaos fans do actually understand that they're horrible and the bad guys
tall phoenix
Unfortunately 💀
frigid osprey
but it's just fun to get into that headspace in the fantasy
like if you're basing your real personality on it then that's not good
tall phoenix
Yeah thats fair enough.
frigid osprey
same reason i love the emperor's children and fabius bile so much
and the iron hands lol
tall phoenix
royal egret
and the iron hands lol
remote glacier
and the iron hands lol
"bro why are you cutting off your arm?"
"REEEEE-"
jams bloody stump with prosthetic
royal egret
Me when I don’t read
remote glacier
Me when I don’t read
Reading bad, hurt brain.
Smash stuff good.
I do like the Iron Hands with how they basically hate themselves.
They hate Ferrus Manus for being so angry, he got himself killed.
They hate themselves for being too weak to save him from Fulgrim.
They hate their bodies, they hate their emotions. They hate what they perceive to be weakness.
So they remove them.
Unfortunately, despite how much they replace. How much they try to fix their body with the certainty and strength of steel.
They are still broken.
Also cyborgs are cool
unborn merlin
They basically got this one series to their name so it gets a bit tiring.
Hey…there’s also Lord of the Night…
🥹
ADB’s short stories involving Sevatar are probably my favorite stories from the whole heresy. I’m fine with my boys in midnight clad being absolute scoundrels
I guess I also just like the traitor legionaries who try to lie to themselves about their chaos corruption but still have weird and perverted moral codes.
Makes for entertaining characters.
unborn merlin
hearty niche
I am one chapter in the first Cain book and I’m already a fan
Emperors silliest clown
The editors notes are really funny
hybrid turtle
The emperor gives his toughest battles to his silliest boys
ashen magnet
Why is the Fabius bile trilogy like either 500$ for a used set or like none existent
drowsy urchin
The classic "we haven't printed any new copies in years"
frigid osprey
You might be able to find a copy of the Omnibus kicking about, it was only released last year I think
cerulean peak
League of Votann finally getting a novel?
I have Indomitus flashbacks tho just by seeing Thorpe's name 💀
digital saffron
wise yew
Maybe it'll be good
if you care about world building
This guy is so good at giving no personality and making things suffer you would think this is warhammer fantasy dwarves
unborn merlin
Maybe it'll be good
You’re right, for every ten bad Dark Angels books we get a Luther: First of the Fallen.
Not holding my breath tho.
cerulean peak
I have no expectations though. At least one gav thorpe LoV novel is still better than no LoV content at all.... right?
cerulean peak
if you care about world building
This guy is so good at giving no personality ...
I know. There's a reason why Indomitus is on the lowest tier of my warhammer novel tier list
frigid osprey
He is very good at world building though, that's what he did in 40k for years
So I'm kinda optimistic
cerulean peak
There's an exerpt of the book online
royal egret
I have no expectations though. At least one gav thorpe LoV novel is still bette...
Debatable
Not even joking saying that btw
cerulean peak
And in the article they say it's exploring the conflict between LoV and the imperium
royal egret
I’d rather Dark Angels and Salamanders have basically no novels than have the ones we’ve gotten largely
lost walrus
drowsy urchin
Gav is a very hit and miss, it's either great or very bland
drowsy urchin
He is very good at world building though, that's what he did in 40k for years
and +1 to this
frigid osprey
Reading the excerpt; Lutar seems like an Ironkin character 
🦾
tall phoenix
He is very good at world building though, that's what he did in 40k for years
Yeah Gav has been on that since like the late 90's
frigid osprey
Yeah around the 3rd edition 40k transition into grimdarkness, Gav did a lot of that
tall phoenix
Momentous occasson