40k-book-club

[iron ore]

The brian herbert one I mean

most of them are complete garbage

Frank Herbert's Dune is a masterpiece

now the real story is I got the book for 3 dollars and the cover is cool

[wide mica]

Yea the rule generally is disregard everything written by Brian Herbert

Because it's basically just him writing mediocre fanfiction based off his dads books

[iron ore]

it also reads like any c tier star wars book

Like

He keeps committing the sin of TELLING instead of SHOWING in the writing

[severe trail]

Calling it mediocre fanfiction is a stretch in its quality

Some of it is really bad lol

[timid cove]

Can’t be as bad as some of the post Doyle Sherlock Holmes stuff

[mellow knot]

Nice to see you back, @timid cove xx

[timid cove]

Now there’s a face I missed!

[mellow knot]

I am always here. Just with very little time to do anything!

I love that and ‘Hammer and Anvil’, too.

[unborn merlin]

Heard that one was pretty good. It’s on my forever growing list of stuff to read.

It’s nice to have a self contained and lower stakes story sometimes. The world building was great in it, got some Bladerunner vibes with the added bonus of the sisters being absolute badasses.

Ave Imperator

[mellow knot]

Also, it’s dedicated to me so maybe a tiny bias. 😄

[unborn merlin]

Damn that’s pretty wholesome 🥲

[mellow knot]

It’s one of the nicest things anybody ever did for me.

[unborn merlin]

I bet, hopefully I can get around to the book soon.

Debating if I’m gonna start Lukas the Trickster or Saturine first.

Isn’t there an audio drama that ties into Swallow’s books?

[tall phoenix]

If you wanna get the fat stuff out the way do Saturnine first

Lukas is a much more fun violent-adventure book that isnt too long and is more entertaining

Especially compated to Saturdeeznuts' constant thing of "OH NO CANT BELIEVE IT OUR IMPERIUM IS GONNA END HERE NOOO" that every Siege book does for some reason

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/shea-whigham-walkie-talkie-serious-gif-15387793

I’ll probably just do Satursneed then since I got Fury of Magnus on sale like ten thousand years ago but was waiting to do the SoT in order.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah just wrap up the Siege

30k fans fucking hype it up like its the greatest writing in warhammer then all you do is read about some morons guarding a wall for 10 hours

[unborn merlin]

In order to read peak you have to first read mid 😔

[tall phoenix]

Unfortunately 😔

[unborn merlin]

There’s some payoffs having read/listened to most of the heresy but that’s just the copium talking.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah i just generally hate people who say you need to read like 40 books out of 55+ in the series when like no you really dont

[unborn merlin]

Already been told about most of the deaths in SoT and usually my reaction is “oh, that was pointless”.

[tall phoenix]

YEP

Literally just "Who?"

[unborn merlin]

At the end of the day they just exist to sell miniatures and serve as lore dressing. For the most part the books are enjoyable but then you get a First Wall or a Battle for the Abyss and wonder if we need a new biblical flood.

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-flood-transformation-zeroxionxz-gif-22396957

me getting attacked by every 30k book i own

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-disintegrate-half-life2-hl2-gif-23941439

[tall phoenix]

He read First Wall 💀 poor bastard

[unborn merlin]

I did it to myself, I know.

[tall phoenix]

[unborn merlin]

People said Forrix was a badass in it and neglected to tell me he was only in the book for 1/4 of it.

https://tenor.com/view/boo-boo-boo-boo-the-fool-im-boo-boo-im-boo-bo-the-fool-gif-19012620

[digital saffron]

40k fans have a bad habit of not knowing
A) what "good" is
B) what "relevant information" is

[unborn merlin]

I reassure you dear reader, the Sisypheum is totally integral to the greater narrative.

Now please dig through ten anthologies so you can learn what Albert Astartes was doing before the fall of Calth.

[iron ore]

The Valkia model is getting axed after many years of great service 😭

[tall phoenix]

absolute extermination

[forest spruce]

Listening to dawn of fire and a techpriest just said "it is what it is"

[proud haven]

Managed to get this mint copy online

[tall phoenix]

damn those cost a fortune in most places

[proud haven]

Luckily this only coat me (including shipping) £48

But yes in my attempts to find one the prices I saw were horribly expensive

[tall phoenix]

worst part is as good as the primer is it is NOT worth that much money, those people are fucking nuts

[timid cove]

How many pages is that? I have the fantasy version of that found at goodwill of all places

[proud haven]

Roughly 200

[timid cove]

Way better value than the witch hunter handbook then

Which is like 80

[proud haven]

Its, its just greedy people knowing they have something valuable and know some unfortunate sucker is going to buy them

[proud haven]

In fairness this is a combination of two books; the munitorum manual and thr infantrymans uplifting primer. Whether or not these were separate to begin with I do not know

Even then the latter is not even that long

[unborn merlin]

It’s definitely cool.

I’m jealous

[marsh delta]

Are there 40k comics or manga?

[drowsy urchin]

comics yeah

a few at least

the Marneus Calgar one is probably the latest one

[tall phoenix]

Gamesworkshop used to run a semi-long series of monthly comics for 40k and Warhammer Fantasy if you wanna take a look at that

https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Warhammer-Monthly

Gonna just put this here because theres literally no way to actually read these anymore lol

[marsh delta]

Sweet, thanks my dude

[tall phoenix]

No worries

they are pretty generic but got some good moments

[digital saffron]

Rioyuart or something like that ran a comic series for a while that GW promoted iirc

https://www.warhammer-community.com/big-brothers/

Here we go

Oh wait they have a full page for these lol

https://www.warhammer-community.com/web-comics/

[unkempt raft]

audiobook boi. i have all of the horus heresy, siege of terra, gaunts ghosts, eisenhorn, ravenor, bequin. other books to get?

[paper maple]

Have you considered just shifting through the BL site

[unkempt raft]

@paper maple theyre not cheap

i just need recs

[paper maple]

Im gonna shove that ping up your ass

[paper maple]

We got some books pinned in a link above if you wanna take a look

[unkempt raft]

Will do

@paper maple yeah, my question wasnt answered.

[paper maple]

@unkempt raft Damn. Good luck then.

[unkempt raft]

all i wanted was some other books to listen to

[drowsy urchin]

Night Lords trilogy, all the Necron books, Cain books, Prophet of Waagh

The Lion: Son of the Forest

Brutal Kunnin'

Talon of Horus and Black Legion

Titanicus

Assassinorum: Kingmaker

Priests of Mars, Lords of Mars, Gods of Mars

[tall phoenix]

Most of those are in the pins

I dont think he liked most of them 💀

[drowsy urchin]

[unborn merlin]

Imagine not liking the masterpiece Brutal Kunnin’.

Our pinned recommendations are just too strong for them, they are not for the weak.

https://tenor.com/view/funny-filter-gif-3550460

[iron ore]

Legendary response

[tall phoenix]

No mercy 💀

[iron ore]

@tall phoenix so after our discussion about the genestealer tunnels I started Deathwatch by Steve Parker today. I have a few thoughts.

1. I’ve read dozens of warhammer books and I think this may be my favorite one so far
2. || lamenter dreadnought as part of a kill team lmfao ||
3. || wow there is a lot of rape ||
4. peak 2007 esque book

I’m almost done with it in one day and am excited to start the next one

[tall phoenix]

YEP its a good book like i said, the genestealer pre-army stuff is the only icky part aside from that is super entertaining like most mid 2000's 40k books

As I keep saying, simpler times with no consequences.

Nowadays every big 40k book has to be some MCU slop

[iron ore]

Legit why the space marine battles series was so entertaining

You could pick up any book with that white cover and it was at least a 7/10

Even the nick kyme damnos series isn’t bad

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the era of 40k where just nothing was happening will always be my favorite in the timeline.

[iron ore]

Okay the crimson fists books were terrible those don’t get a pass

[tall phoenix]

LOL

Yeah not everything was good but it was still alright.

[iron ore]

I also like the generally darker feel of it

Like thinking of a recent trilogy like plague wars, it really does feel like MCU slop compared to this shit

[tall phoenix]

Pretty much. In current 40k almost every novel has to deal with some current event nonsense.

"Oh new primaris what drama will we do?"

"Oh tyranid invasion what will we do?"

"Oh the great rift how will we counter it?"

theres a reason the fucking warhammer crime books took off

[iron ore]

Much prefer smaller stories that aren’t grand in scale

Hold on I need to make an unfair comparison real quick

So what I mean by smaller stories is disingenuous

[tall phoenix]

Ye like those stories still exist in post-rift 40k too but its just not the same ya know?

[iron ore]

I consider eisenhorn to be “small in scale”

[tall phoenix]

Well it is.

It only goes full Mission Impossible later

[iron ore]

I never read the fourth eisenhorn book

The magos

After the third in the trilogy I was like that’s all I need

But like reading helsreach or battle of the fang vs plague wars

Feels like I’m watching a play versus watching a movie

A play moves me

A movie has the potential to move me but is for a wider audience

[tall phoenix]

That is a very good comparison

shit like Battle of the Fang is legit so good

[iron ore]

Just a one shot awesome story,
Sometimes taking characters from other books you see around occasionally in other books before and after is dope

Like when they referenced Uriel ventris in plague wars I was like hey I know that guy

[tall phoenix]

Its like a 90's movie plot

"A GREAT CHUNK OF THE CHAPTER IS GONE CAMPING! LEAVING OUR BRAVE WOLF-BOYS TO DEFEND THE FANG AGAINST THE EVIL THOUSAND SONS!"

that book is literally Home Alone but Space Wolves tbh

[iron ore]

And it is responsible for selling so many bjorn boxes they keep the ven dread model off the chopping block

[tall phoenix]

[iron ore]

I read this in a 1930s American radio host accent

[tall phoenix]

Lmao nice

[iron ore]

BREAKING NEWS, THE JAPANESE LAUNCH A COWARDLY ATTACK ON PEARL HARBOR

Holy shit is battle of the fang just Pearl Harbor?

Except the Americans win?

[tall phoenix]

shame Americans didnt have plot armor IRL

[iron ore]

I would argue we do

It’s called Lockheed Martin

https://tenor.com/view/chris-benoit-benoit-chris-wwe-wwe-chris-benoit-gif-24509491

[tall phoenix]

💀

But yeah i think what also sells that era of 40k is also just the sense that a literal doomsday scenario is around the corner with the 13th Black Crusade and all that jazz

then when it finally happened it was as big deal but now nobody cares lol

[iron ore]

Let me tell you I’m so sick of abbadon as a villain

Like holy shit try again grandpa

Give me someone with FLAVOUR

give me a wacky dark eldar

[tall phoenix]

Yabba daba dooooon is trying his best.

[iron ore]

Or actually make vashtor and belakor characters in 40k with substance

Like the whole arks of omen bullshit

Abandons making big scary boats and oh look nothing happened!

The lion kissed angron passionately and the imperium wins or something

[tall phoenix]

ah well anyway enough wallowing in mid 2000's 40k for me for one night

[iron ore]

Enjoy the evening

Hasta luego

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/682359148926599206.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[tall phoenix]

||Me after reading End and the Death||

[iron ore]

|| volume 17 ||

[digital saffron]

The difference between arks of Omen and Dawnbringers is very funny

[glass sparrow]

didn't mid 2000's also give us the Wolftimes as well?

I have heard... interesting comments on that book lmao

[tall phoenix]

DO NOT fucking read that book

also no its from like 2-3 years ago

It suffers from the problems we mentioned above, in this case the entire plot being pointless and just around "WE DONT WANT STINKY PRIMARIS IN OUR CHAPTER" drama-bait

[glass sparrow]

Kind of dumb when you think about it since making Ragnar a primaris after his duel with ghazghull saved his life.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah but dumb boring plots are what Marine books excell at

[marsh delta]

Any good books out there that focus more on the hive city life?

[tall phoenix]

Warhammer Crime is where its at

Theres also

• Vaults of Terra
• Kal Jericho Omnibus

[severe trail]

All of warhammer crime

Takes place in the same hive city

[shrewd silo]

Anyone know if guants ghosts salvation's reach will be redone by Toby longworth?

The audiobook is complete garbage with the new narrator

[slow pilot]

are they ever goign to do reprints of the cadia series

[severe trail]

good question

black library reprints are

inscrutable and impossible to understand imo

[lethal valley]

Old narrator you mean?

The one with the horrible OTT voices

[shrewd silo]

Yeah I dropped the book after I heard him do the deaf girl voice.

[marsh delta]

To be fair, most audiobooks suck in narration. Save for a few, especially ones with Colleen Penderghast as the reader from the Mia Lesk series of Cadian novels

[unborn merlin]

I think Emma Gregory is the GOAT as well.

[drowsy urchin]

Richard Reed is stellar too

[digital saffron]

Reed Richard?

You mean Mr Fantastic???

[drowsy urchin]

Hah no

it's his real name and he's the one who narrates all the new necron books

[unborn merlin]

Reed is pretty awesome.

Can’t forget my boy Toby as well.

[drowsy urchin]

Toby, Reed and Keeble are my top 3

Andrew Wincott does amazing job with the Night Lord trilogy

but he doesn't feature in many other stories

but in a couple short novellas he does

[unborn merlin]

I forgot he did those.

[tall phoenix]

First 40k

then Minthara in BG3

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-hes-the-goat-mvp-the-goat-gif-27042870

[tall phoenix]

absolute horndog behavior on our behalf

[unborn merlin]

Emma Gregory narrating another Sister novel? Oh noo…guess I have to listen to it…

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-norman-osborn-smiling-evil-grin-gif-24183160

[digital saffron]

Her voice got burned into my mind when I rewatched the 9th ed trailer 300 times

Then BG3 comes out and I immediately go "wait a minute"

[unborn merlin]

I know some people don’t like Banks but I can’t imagine anyone else as Fabulous Bill.

[drowsy urchin]

Banks has decent highs but very low lows

well not very low but you know

very basic and monotone

[unborn merlin]

That’s how I feel about Armstrong.

[unborn merlin]

About half way done with Saturnine and it’s perddy excellent so far.

In a perfect world, the entire SoT would be of similar quality.

Still hate Keeble’s White Scars voice tho. You’d think it would’ve gotten better with time.

[severe trail]

relevant

[unborn merlin]

This will never stop being funny.

[severe trail]

I know they aren't doing it out of malice

but it always makes me crack up

[unborn merlin]

Complete badass Shiban Khan walks onto the battlefield.

[severe trail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls1Bf6XCEM4

[unborn merlin]

Herro Gruardsman

[unborn merlin]

My head cannon is that he’s aware of it but still does it just as a shitpost.

[severe trail]

lol

[unborn merlin]

He’s narrated White Scars books a little under a decade.

Someone’s had to have told him after all this time.

[glass sparrow]

If I had to take John Banks version of a White Scars accent or Jonathan Keeble's accent, I'd take Keebles.

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-vincent-vega-bullshit-lies-liar-gif-17356365

[glass sparrow]

I said what I said and meant it.

[graceful osprey]

I listened to the Scars audio narration by Shogo Miyakita and I'm afraid to start Path of Heaven

[unborn merlin]

I always thought Banks did a better job than Keeble when narrating White Scars tbh.

[unborn merlin]

I haven’t heard the new narration, how was it?

[graceful osprey]

I thought it was excellent but I have nothing to compare it to (yet)

[unborn merlin]

Last time I listened to the Scars book it was like two years ago so maybe Path of Heaven aged like milk but I thought it was well done.

Seems like you either like Banks or hate him in general.

I just think Keeble sounds corny as hell when he tries to do whatever accent he does for White Scars.

Stealing this meme because it’s relevant.

[graceful osprey]

I haven't disliked any of his other stuff so I'm hoping its not too egregious. Miyakita also narrates in accented english for dialogue I think its probably just less caricaturistic

[unborn merlin]

It really isn’t that bad. What is bad is Keeble’s Jamaican voice for all Salamander characters.

I hope Miyakita continues to narrate more White Scars stuff (whenever we get a new book) if he actually did a good job.

Been relistening to some HH books while I wait for more credits and Scars was on the top of the list. Awesome book.

[graceful osprey]

not sure if they plan to rerecord the other white scars focused heresy books

[unborn merlin]

You’d think they would but GW takes a million years to do anything.

[graceful osprey]

I think the scars change is relatively recent, like the past few years

[unborn merlin]

Also there are really only two WS books in the heresy if you don’t count the siege.

They definitely wouldn’t bother doing short stories.

I guess there’s the Primarch book.

[tall phoenix]

I still CANNOT believe how this meme is not even a meme

its just the fucking truth, i hate it lmao

[unborn merlin]

Tzeentch fuckery must be involved.

[glass sparrow]

Banks isn't that bad of a narrator, He does Night Lords really well, he does Dark Eldar really well, and he does a bang up job on regular imperials to a passable degree. I said it once and I'll keep saying it, the man is just really hit or miss on his loyalist chapters voices and his white scars are in that miss camp for me.

... Maybe it's just my special brain rot, but Keeble's White Scars voices sit somewhere between South Park City Wok dude and Mr. Miyagi and I am down for it.

[unborn merlin]

Fair enough

[tall phoenix]

Its not your brain rot

people have memed the racist caricature asian voice he does to death, it is that bad lmao

[unborn merlin]

Anyone have any strong opinions on the book Mortis?

People say it’s either great or absolute dog water.

Just wanna prep myself since I’m almost done with Saturnine.

[tall phoenix]

Its a fucking drag and completely skippable, do not listen to 40k slop-readers.

Even the most hardcore HH fans admit it basically has nothing happening in it compared to the other books too.

[unborn merlin]

But is it First Wall levels of mid?

All I know is that Shiban and Ollanius show up, wacky shenanigans ensue.

I’ll keep my expectations pretty low tho. Thanks for the heads up.

In other news, heard the new EC book was a mixed bag.

[tall phoenix]

Yes

[glass sparrow]

Better than First Wall, not better than Saturnine. It sits at like a 4-5 / 10 for me.

[unborn merlin]

That’s pretty unfortunate.

Just getting more and more scared of 60 hours of The End and the Death.

[glass sparrow]

Oh it has some good parts to it

If I went through SoT again, it would be one of the books I would re listen without wanting to shame myself, unlike First Wall... that just hurt me to the soul.

[unborn merlin]

How I see it, already went through like 39/54 of the HH books so I might as well listen to the Siege so I can warn others about the absolute dookie books.

[drowsy urchin]

Mortis is fine

titans doing titan things

[unborn merlin]

I read a decent amount of 40K (Gaunt and Cain, occasional CSM) but decided to listen to the HH because of how near impossible it is to collect. Drive like 10-12 hrs a day for work so I can excuse a slow book and just tune out whatever I don’t like.

First Wall was probably the only book I’ve ever actually skipped around whole chapters just to finish. If Mortis isn’t First Wall levels of bad, I should be fine.

Titans are cool and unfortunately I’m a White Scars simp so it’s not like there’s a ton of books centered around them aside from two books and what happens during the Siege.

Saturnine was a definite banger but I find it funny that all of these Siege books have to drive into your skull that “the White Scars are actually super nice and not barbarians guys, please buy their models”.

Guess that’s just on GW for neglecting them for so long.

[tall phoenix]

The End and the Death is an absolutely dreadful trilogy

my advice as a person that sadly read it in full; if you get bored just skim-read.

Like glance at some pages, get the context, move on. The way Abnett has wrote the entire series is so George Lucas I cannot even begin to explain it in full

[drowsy urchin]

TEATD is good

[tall phoenix]

Its not.

Its dramatically written slop.

Reading a book and it takes Sanguinius 400 pages to reach fucking Horus, get out of here

[drowsy urchin]

nah

[tall phoenix]

yah

so many unnecessary chapters, so many unnecessary characters

Even people that kiss HH books all the time have admitted it was too much

[drowsy urchin]

not really, it can't be just the stuff we already know is happening

[tall phoenix]

Yeah really it can be

Nobody cares about some marines manning a wall

[drowsy urchin]

THEN it would suck

[tall phoenix]

No it would not. We are here for the penultimate ending to the Heresy.

We are here for the primarchs, the special characters, malcador, the emperor, etc

Nobody gives a shit about whathisface uh

[drowsy urchin]

no we're there for the whole event

[tall phoenix]

Fnaf Ran or whatever

[tall phoenix]

You might be. Most aren't

Everyone has had enough of the Siege from the previous 8 books

they are here to see how its all going to end, not what Joe the Marine is doing

[drowsy urchin]

most I've spoken to don't think so

[tall phoenix]

"Most" probably applies to also the amount of that were annoyed by how much filler was in the book during and post its release judging from everyones reviws/internet reaction so...

Again, filler.

If we actually focused on the important stuff we would need to read through 600 pages

across 3 books

[drowsy urchin]

I really don't see the problem when it's interesting stuff nevertheless

[paper maple]

Its really not

"Oh wow i give a shit about what the pilgrimage with keeler is doing"

no I dont, they all die, wow such a climax

[tall phoenix]

God fucking hated that subplot

also Marysuemund just killing rows upon rows of traitors like it even matters at this point.

[paper maple]

LMAO

I love Sigismund but yeah even i was getting bored of that nonsense tbh

Literally just get to the point

every chapter "oh we are just walking wa wa terra is dying"

WE GET IT

[tall phoenix]

My favorite parts are the constant "Oh no this is the age of humanity and the Imperium"

[paper maple]

cant believe 40k was gonna end with this series, no more future novels because no Imperium 😔

oh wait whoops

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the afterword from Abnett deffo sums it up

[paper maple]

i think what you said with the George Lucas bit said it best

literally nobody ever says "no" to this guy with anything, and he just adds filler after filler

[tall phoenix]

Kyme was the editor and his instruction was "dont worry about the wordcount, just write"

[paper maple]

that fucking bit gave me a brain-bleed

never liked that asshat from how bland he made the Salamanders, and now its only been elevated

[tall phoenix]

anyway Scouring next, maybe that'll wash the taste off

[paper maple]

bruh i hope so

[wide mica]

When someone says that you have to take it as a challenge to write so much that you end up annoying them

[tall phoenix]

Extremely well put

Abnett is very much 40k Lucas, nobody ever tells him when hes doing something too much so he just runs off with it.

[unborn merlin]

You mean they don’t care about marines manning a wall for over eight books.

Like it’s interesting at first, then you realize you’re just reading twelve different character manning different walls that’ll just break anyways.

[wide mica]

English teacher told me that once for an assignment and then glared at me when I handed her a binder with 80 double sided A4 pages in it.

[tall phoenix]

LMAO

[unborn merlin]

Imperial Fist: We gotta hold this wall!

Wall breaks.

Blood Angels: We gotta hood this wall!

Wall breaks.

Continue this process for seven books.

Throw some perpetuals in the mix to break up wall segments.

[tall phoenix]

So okay, the difference with that is the Siege has other stuff happening during its defensive stages, and other actions following it

With the End and the Shit its just EVERY SINGLE CHAPTER they are on the SAME fucking wall doing the SAME thing. I actually had to recheck to make sure i wasnt re-reading anything since some chapters are like 2-3 pages long before you POV swap.

[unborn merlin]

Damn…really?

[tall phoenix]

Is it still slop? Yes but at least it tries to be a bit different.

[unborn merlin]

Why the fuck is there three books of that…

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[tall phoenix]

Because HH fans eat everything up.

Like they sometimes differentiate it with things like um

"GUYS DORN IS TRAPPED UNDER THIS RANDOM ASS BUNKER FLOOR"

Meanwhile Dorn wandering through a desert

[unborn merlin]

That’s crazy man.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the last 3 books go nuts because the Warp is literally breaking reality and nothing makes sense. How convenient since Loken opens and goes through a door on Terra and ends up on the Vengeful Spirit

Abnett basically realises he can just do whatever he wants with this concept.

[unborn merlin]

People really are perfectly fine with 40 hours of filler and maybe (if we’re being generous) 18-20 hrs of plot.

That’s wild man.

[tall phoenix]

Space Marines and Primarchs man

Put them in anything and people will eat it up

[unborn merlin]

I like Space Marines too but…

https://tenor.com/view/drinking-desperate-i-need-a-drink-that70s-kitty-forman-gif-25152005

[tall phoenix]

Anyway basically im not telling you to not read the book like im your mom or anything.

But just go in expecting this lol

Maybe you'll like it who knows

[unborn merlin]

HH prepared me for this but thanks anyways.

[wise yew]

https://youtu.be/BEGvCtOyals?si=7SNFqA3He0AczdPZ Horus heresy fans fighting to see which mid book is the best

[drowsy urchin]

Keep in mind Dilara is the resident server cynic, it really isn't as bad as she makes it out to be

[tall phoenix]

Yeah you keep saying that

we'll see what he thinks

[paper maple]

I guess I just dont exist 💀

I love my marine slop like anyone else but she really isnt exaggerating

[wise yew]

You exist but no offense I just think of you as the local server Grump that comes out to yell at someone being annoying

[paper maple]

To be fair can you blame me

[wise yew]

No I can't

[unborn merlin]

I mean, I’ll fight Dilara to the death over Damnation of Pythos (greatest book ever made) but you can’t tell me we needed to pull a Twilight and break one book into three.

That’s like atrocious.

[tall phoenix]

[paper maple]

You are more or less about to read like i think 18k pages of this, so just be prepared like Dilara said

also yeah Abnett acknowledges what you said

and it literally boils down to "Oh I just wanted to write more and more"

and of course his editor just did nothing

[unborn merlin]

Like people do have a reason to be pissed off about how much they milked the Heresy.

[paper maple]

because free money

[paper maple]

Abso-fucking-lutely

[unborn merlin]

I like my lore dumps man but that’s a big ask for most people.

[paper maple]

Again tho you are your own man go and see what you think

[wise yew]

The cow was dead when it was finished they were just feeding it drugs to keep it going

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-horse-spank-exhausted-wake-up-gif-17245109

[tall phoenix]

Yeah tho FYI the last 3 books like Eli said were only this many because Abnett just wanted to keep writing more stuff, GW just didn't stop him because why would you, its dollarinos baby

The 3 books also should more or less be considered a single novel, since they end in very polarizing spots

[unborn merlin]

There definitely is a such a thing as too much filler or over staying your welcome.

[paper maple]

100%

These books got way too much fat

it will become very clear once you reach Vol3

or well if you can

[unborn merlin]

It pisses me off that Daddy Abnett got this three book epic about people twiddling their thumbs on a wall but I’ll never get a proper sequel to the Bile trilogy. Rip my man Reynolds.

You got done dirty man.

[paper maple]

Abnett simply has way too much pull

Reynolds also quit iirc since BL pissed him off

[drowsy urchin]

2 was probably the weakest and could've spread out to the ones before and after with less filler

[paper maple]

which is fair tbh

[tall phoenix]

He wanted to kill Bile but BL said no yeah

[paper maple]

Foolish man

[unborn merlin]

I’d get pissed off if BL turned down 90% of my book ideas too.

[paper maple]

LMAO

Didnt he do like a massive twitter thread on every rejected book idea?

[tall phoenix]

Yes he did lmao

[unborn merlin]

Yeah

It’s heartbreaking.

[tall phoenix]

On one hand to play the devil's advocate you legit cannot make a book about everything.

On the other hand, any interesting concept you propose just being shut down because "its not worth printing" is dogshit as an excuse

[unborn merlin]

Reynolds was forced to condense Manflayer because it was too long for a BL book but Abnett gets to make TEATD three books?

Nah man

I’m gonna be a hater.

[tall phoenix]

You are allowed to be lol

Dan gets to do whatever he wants because hes an old guard juggernaut.

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/hate-sing-singing-haters-gif-10594161

https://www.heresyomnibus.com/article/q-a-with-josh-reynolds-about-manflayer

Here’s that Q&A on Manflayer if you wanna get angry btw.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah I read this one

absolute haram

[wise yew]

"Dilara, I want to play a game"

"There is a bomb strapped to your chest and you must read every Dan abnett book in a time frame of 5 hours to deactivate it"

[tall phoenix]

NOOOOOO

[unborn merlin]

See, I would’ve just made her reread Damnation of Pythos (arguably better than The Bible) but this is much crueler.

[tall phoenix]

I'd rather read Battle for the Abyss

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/682359148926599206.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

[tall phoenix]

[unborn merlin]

I actually think I skipped that one lol.

[tall phoenix]

LOL

[wise yew]

All right I'm back from the 5-Hour Mark and holy crap she activated the bomb herself

[unborn merlin]

[tall phoenix]

God the ending to it is so funny

the Word Bearers are like

"Lmao that moron's plan failed. Anyway back to our plan for Calth."

[unborn merlin]

I read a quick synopsis and said “okay, don’t think I need to read that book now”.

Then moved on to whatever was next.

Didn’t even matter when Lorgar could just pull two more ships out of his ass like he was Mary Poppins.

[drowsy urchin]

Battle of the Abyss is literally the only book I've refunded

[tall phoenix]

I highly suggest watching this vid for it

https://youtu.be/3IlbfALRZ6w

Mira who's Ian's gf is like "Im new ot warhammer but I liked it!"

Ian is just

"OH MY GOD LEMME OUT"

[drowsy urchin]

they're in a relationship?

[tall phoenix]

Its a man and a female

they have to be

[unborn merlin]

I’m sure it’s very entertaining bolter porn.

[drowsy urchin]

ah

[tall phoenix]

Its very normal bolter-porn.

[unborn merlin]

GW would never make a 50 book long series about just bolter porn.

[tall phoenix]

I only read it just so I could say that I did.

[unborn merlin]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wise yew]

Got possessed by imperium fan shipping?

[tall phoenix]

BRHUH

[wise yew]

What

[tall phoenix]

[wise yew]

It's true though

Imperium fans shipping characters are a bit screw on the loose most times

[unborn merlin]

Oh yeah, I was doing most of the books in order so it makes sense why I skipped it.

Mechanicum was next and I enjoyed that one a lot.

I can definitely excuse a two hour popcorn flick but if you’re asking me to read a pretty bland action book for about ten hours that’s definitely a stretch.

[wise yew]

Average reaction to Michael Bay movies

[unborn merlin]

Was never a Bay fan. The Rock’s a lotta fun tho.

I remember liking Armageddon too.

[wise yew]

You could literally sum up his movies into just explosions

[tall phoenix]

to quote myself

"The best Bay movies are the ones you can't tell that wasn't made by him."

[unborn merlin]

See as someone who watches some absolutely bottom of the barrel horror movies I’m okay with an hour and half of explosions.

[tall phoenix]

the council has decided your sentence is watching Transformers the Last Knight for 23 hours.

[unborn merlin]

Bay just seemed too idk, too commercial?

[tall phoenix]

Also yeah he is

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/noo-toy-story-buzz-lightyear-gif-14664723

[tall phoenix]

but a corpo sellout and also like, racist and misogynistic lmao

[wise yew]

https://youtu.be/DgQHgy7Nmkk?si=dA0AKEOfAeZTvyHK this is literally just an entire Michael Bay movie composed into a scene

[drowsy urchin]

Bay is such trash

[tall phoenix]

^

also the annoying part is he knows he is trash

he literally said "My movies are for dumb teenage boys"

lmao

[unborn merlin]

Yeah, doesn’t do anything especially well. Dude is not making The Raid, which is a great example of movie being almost exclusively about mindless action.

The writing in a Bay movie is usually super grating and his direction style is usually “film giant explosion and make sure to include ten thousand jump cuts of Marky Mark’s face while he stands still”.

[wise yew]

An action movie needs something even a basic incentive to do action

The way bay does it
Is about as dumb as a rock

A rock is actually smarter too

[cerulean peak]

So would he be good to make a warhammer shooting about bolter porn?

Might as well use the right movie director to portray such things

[unborn merlin]

Great action movies should have tight writing (doesn’t need to be Shakespeare but should be able to convey a plot or at least be memorable/cheesy), a likable or at least enjoyable lead, and good action scenes. Shouldn’t be rocket science but apparently it is for most people.

[cerulean peak]

Since GW judges it's what the fans want in their warhammer media

[wise yew]

Dilara herself said it

People love slop

[cerulean peak]

HH series by Michael Bay and Cavill

[unborn merlin]

I mean, I unironically own a 4K copy of Ghoulies. Slop is live slop is life, but slop still needs to have redeeming qualities.

[cerulean peak]

Slop is fine as long as you're aware it's slop

[wise yew]

Yeah it needs at least redeeming qualities

Even if it's just a little bit

[unborn merlin]

Good bad movies are enjoyable because they’re normally made with passion and are genuinely made.

That’s why something like Red Heat is awesome and [insert generic bad action movie] doesn’t work. At least imo.

Also really despise movies that are made to be shitty, like you’re just insulting the audience at that point.

[tall phoenix]

Bay literally saw the G1 transformers designs and ewnt "no those are too cartoony."

I cannot imagine the shit he'd outright ignore and side-step around when it came to 40k.

[unborn merlin]

Oh you know…

[tall phoenix]

GOD

[mellow knot]

I have two chances this year to be forgotten about!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/10/black-library-readers-choice-2024-which-warhammer-stories-will-rise-again-this-year/

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/no-nah-fam-nope-michael-jordan-mj-gif-2738258592799127554

https://tenor.com/view/finished-elijah-wood-lord-of-the-rings-lava-fire-gif-5894611

I’ve done my part.

[mellow knot]

Thank you ❤️

[digital saffron]

farsee farseer farsaw farseeing the farseen farsawed farseers future farseeing ability about farsawing the inevitable farseen end

[tall phoenix]

SHUT UP SHUT SHUT SHUT UP

[tall phoenix]

Valkia vote time!

[digital saffron]

This isn't a new beginning, this is the end, and the death
This isn't the dance of ghibli bungus, this is the dance of the end, and the death
What is a man, the end, and the death?
This is no chamber of the emperor, but the end, and the death

[wide mica]

This is not the End and the Death, but it is the Death of the End.

[tall phoenix]

Bro they repeat that shit so much

AUGHHH

[frigid osprey]

The Rock (directed by Michael Bay)

[random marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[iron ore]

I was just about to post this in here!

I like how in deathwatch by Steve Parker they reference the silver skulls that Sarah really fleshed out which is dope

[mellow knot]

I love my Skullies smooch

[glass sparrow]

man it Hurts knowing that Josh Reynolds has left Black Library, especially since that means there is almost definitely going to be no follow up to the reveal of the Anchorite from Apocalypse, and there will not be a second Lukas the Trickster focused book.

[iron ore]

Steve Parker left too, breaks my heart

[glass sparrow]

that sucks.

[iron ore]

Dan Abnett is consuming their essences for higher page counts

[glass sparrow]

random Librarian: "Oh by the way, my name is Lilian Chase."
me: OH FUCK OFF

[tall phoenix]

GOD DO NOT FUCKING REMIND ME OF THAT SHIT

[iron ore]

400 pages is too short for a book

respect to Dan the man

need 700 plus pages and small text

I love books with a bloated word count, it normally takes me around 3 hours to read 450 pages, reading THE STAND as a kid was like my end game, been chasing that high since I was 13

[glass sparrow]

That 3 book parade legit made me go on a mental purge by listening to Space Wolf focused books for almost... a month at least

[iron ore]

Did you read battle of the fang

that shit slaps

[glass sparrow]

I like a lot of Dan's work, there are some books I have mild issues with pertaining to plot points and story developments, but even then the books are solid. The End and the Death part 3 was by far the weakest overall of the 3 for me and yet I am still reluctant to call it dogshit because I absolutely loved Horus going full on schizo during his monologues. That does not mean I will not call it out for ending so many sub-plots poorly that I almost thought I was reading The First Wall again kind of levels of "What the fuck were you doing."

Truly my mind is a paradox even to me with logic like that lmao.

[glass sparrow]

not yet, since it's a John Banks narrated book and I like to give myself a little bit of a breather between books he's been tasked to narrate.

[tall phoenix]

Its definitely not dogshit but imo its simply pretentious.

I said it best above i think, it was just Abnett going full George Lucas which he more or less confirmed in the afterword section

I really love how he expects me to take it seriously when horus shoots laserbeams from the eye on his chest

[iron ore]

That’s metal as fuck

[tall phoenix]

[iron ore]

Just reported to GW that you posted an excerpt from a book, which isn’t protected under fair use

YOURE DONE FOR DILARA

[tall phoenix]

[iron ore]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-mr-boss-smiling-friends-mr-boss-smiling-friends-boss-oogly-goo-gif-3090293690467084064

[glass sparrow]

Horus really out here hitting Custodes with the Cyclops special.

[mellow knot]

Just a big thanks to anybody who voted - it’s hard to be remembered when you’re drowned out by the big names 🙂

[tall phoenix]

Totally can get that feeling, heres hoping Valkia at least gets a win.

[uneven crane]

Me when I'm oogly goo

[severe trail]

I know people who voted it just bcs her mini is going OOP temporarily

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-got-your-back-hand-shake-lets-go-gif-6004263

We’ll make you into a minor chaos god in no time.

It’s the little guys that make the most interesting books anyways. Hopefully I can get around to your Silver Skulls book, love my blueberry bois and their successors.

Also like, HH fatigue is really kicking in for me.

[fallen sage]

For Tig

[mellow knot]

The Blueberry Boys sounds like a great title for a YA mystery series.

[mellow knot]

Always.

[wintry blade]

Anyone got any good xenos/mechanicus books, im running out, I might have to actually pick up a book that isn’t warhammer lol

[tall phoenix]

Have you read Forges of Mars, I forgot

[wintry blade]

I did

Just finished it

[tall phoenix]

Damn

[wintry blade]

Yeah I officially don’t have any left in my library to read lol

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the price of sub-factions just not having enough books

[wintry blade]

I am not going to read mainstream series, you can’t make me

[unborn merlin]

The Blueberry Boys in…The Temple of the Four-Armed Emperor.

[severe trail]

have you read the cawl books?

they're fun imo

[wintry blade]

Just Genefather

I might read some non farsight tau books too, like shadow sun or fire warrior

I can’t think of much else I haven’t read

[severe trail]

For xenos books have you read Valedor?

its like the one Craftworld Eldar book I can recomend

[wintry blade]

I have

[severe trail]

Dang

[wintry blade]

What’s the first Cawl book?

[tall phoenix]

The Great Work

[severe trail]

Belisarius Cawl the great work

[tall phoenix]

precursor to Genefather

[unborn merlin]

If we want to be technical, Wolf's Bane by Guy Hayley is a prequel to The Great Work.

About 60% Space Wolves book, 40% Mechanicus and origin story to Cawl and best boi Friedisch.

I thought it was pretty fun. A lot of funny banter even if the Space Wolves stuff doesn't really amount to nothing.

[tall phoenix]

[frigid osprey]

dang i didnt know that!

i just accepted i had no idea who friedisch is

[unborn merlin]

It's one of those books where you either fuck with it or it doesn't work for you.

I was personally giggling through out it since Russ just acts sassy the whole time and Cawl is just being Cawl (minus the whole having twelve limbs part).

Not a masterpiece by any means but I had a good time.

[wintry blade]

Unfortunately, Horus heresy

Ruined instantly

[unborn merlin]

Oh…

[wintry blade]

I mean I’ll read it, I have few options

But for the most part I haven’t liked them

[proper portal]

I have been reading ayatai Zweil in Deckard Cain's voice and I love it. "Yesh, shtay a while and lissshen, to a tale about Ghaauuntsshhh Ghhhousshhhsts."
It fits better than any other possible voice I can imagine

[loud helm]

not 40k, but sci fi

highly recommend this series

[unborn merlin]

https://www.audible.com/pd/B0CXBWMHBB?source_code=ASSORAP0511160006&share_location=pdp

Richard Reed narrates the new EC book!

Absolute peak

[drowsy urchin]

yeah, a must listen only because of that

[unborn merlin]

I heard the book was a mix bag but as long as the EC act horrifically debased and make a few skin suits in the process…I’m all here for it.

[frigid osprey]

just started reading lords of excess a couple days ago!

good so far!

[lethal valley]

The fulgrim book, anyone else have to take a break from it ?

Decent of angels is an excellent breather

[tall phoenix]

The Fulgrim book i finished in one sitting

Its just meh book, people also really overhype it as "disgusting" when like... nah it really isnt?

"Oh he uses excrements/blood to make art" or "Oh my god that opera finale is horrifying!"

Then I finally read it and its just usual boring 40k violence

[severe trail]

its a bit gross

but nothing that made me put down the book

[tall phoenix]

Yeah people overhype the "grossness" a lot

like its pretty tame lol

[unborn merlin]

To be fair, I doubt most Warhammer fans have ever read a Clive Barker book as well.

[tall phoenix]

DAMN calling me out like that

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/hahaha-dogo-smile-cute-gif-16039989

Jokes aside, it's honestly not that yucky.

After relistening to it recently, I remember being a uncomfortable with the body horror involving mutilating the skin but only because it was more relatable.

[severe trail]

Simply read some Drukhari or Fabius Bile books

those got the whole skin mutilation thing out of me pretty fast lol

and that was def my like least comfortable thing

[unborn merlin]

Bunch of guys being eaten by demons? nah. Some lady inflicting bodily harm to use as paint supplies, that hits close to home.

[severe trail]

regarding body horror

Actually there is something worse

[unborn merlin]

The Bile books weren't even that gross tho.

[severe trail]

Needle into the eyes lol

for me at least I can't stand the idea

of needles going into someones eyes

[unborn merlin]

One of my favorite bmovies has a zombie drag a helpless lady eye first into a broken door frame.

Classic giallo horror.

Chef's kiss.

[severe trail]

I'm fine with like eye gore

but not like that specific type of eye gore

you know what I mean lol

[unborn merlin]

Yeah I do.

Something gross or unnerving will always mean something differently person to person.

Still creeped out by stuff involving finger nails. Not like I can't handle it but I always have a little knee jerk reaction like "oh, don't do that. ow...".

[tall phoenix]

Fingernails are just no

I wrote an interrogation scene once where ||the guy has some pliers and says he'll be starting with the guy's nails|| and that hes very nicely asking him to not force him to do this and he relents and speaks lol

I think that is about as realistic as you can get lmfao

[unborn merlin]

My favorite kind of horror is the more grounded stuff that I can see happening to me. That's why I'm fine with the goofy shit like Daemonculaba because that's just fictional horror.

[tall phoenix]

^

the Daemonculaba's grossness comes from the AMOUNT of descriptive detail.

[unborn merlin]

But very real body horror like nails or self mutilation is the real unsettlingly stuff for me.

[tall phoenix]

YEP

just fuck off

[severe trail]

ngl gore involving like finger nails

isn't that bad for me for some reason

even though like ugh

[tall phoenix]

AUGHHH-

[unborn merlin]

Circling back to the Fulgrim book, I think it's pretty entertaiing. Might give it more of a pass because the EC are probably my second favorite CSM legion.

It's tad bit too long and drags in the middle.

Ending is really solid until you realize they just retcon it.

So that's always dissapointing going back to it.

Fulgrim: The Palatine Phoenix is a much better intro the EC imo.

People def overhype the gross factor tho. Baby's first body horror book.

[unborn merlin]

The reason why I say finger nails for me specifically is because I used to be a big fan of the series Higurashi and that has a pretty infamous scene of someone getting their finger nails ripped off.

Looking back at it now, it's pretty humorous but I saw that maybe back in gradeschool?

So that def was ingrained into my impressionable mind.

Now as an adult, I unironically watch stuff like Salo: 120 Days of Sodom or Nekromantik.

[tall phoenix]

The fingernail stuff that fucked me up was Spongebob

that shit has more gorey stuff than 40k

💀

[unborn merlin]

Horror is my PB&J.

[severe trail]

House of Leaves

my beloved

I want a 40k book in the style of house of leaves even though I know that would be completely insane

[unborn merlin]

I remember being creeped out by the Nosferatu reference as a kid lol.

Just makes me smile now.

Where's my 40K equivalent of Blood Meridian? BL you cowards!

[tall phoenix]

Honestly Spongebob had some REALLY good creepy episodes

O.G show my beloved

[tall phoenix]

Also pls no 💀

[unborn merlin]

It'll be 300 pages of someone describing the mountains, a bunch of campfire conversations, interspliced with warcrimes.

[tall phoenix]

Man, reading that book was a trip 💀

[severe trail]

Blood meridian is

a book

one that I have in fact read

[unborn merlin]

That book is so fucking good. I'm glad it's getting a ton of attention online.

The audiobook with Richard Poe is absolutely chilling. His gruff voice fits all the characters so well and it helps that his Spanish is great as well.

I always put it on when I go on a road trip.

[tall phoenix]

Its the perfect vibe of creepiness but just like Berserk i dont blame anyone that doesnt like it lmfao

[unborn merlin]

Yeah, whenever I recommend it to friends...maybe less than half actually finish it?

Doesn't help that book isn't written in a traditional manner.

Super loosie goosy and almost like scripture.

"Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent!"

[tall phoenix]

I mean half the fucking book is people getting scalped 💀

[tall phoenix]

also discord mod moment

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-moderator-mods-discord-gif-19245121

The Judge

[tall phoenix]

LITERALLY.

[unborn merlin]

I'm eagerly waiting for the book Suttree to get crazy popular on TikTok in the same way Blood Meridian did.

That book devasted me emotionally.

I'm not ashamed to call myself a Cormac McCarthy stan.

[tall phoenix]

Damn 💀

also understandable

[unborn merlin]

I still need to get around to his Border trilogy. I'm sick and tried of big buff spacemen shooting at each other. I need to feel depressed while reading about the struggles faced by the most disenfranchised and socially ostracized people in the United States.

[loud helm]

ah yes things really are hard for warhammer fans yes i agree

xD

jokes aside I enjoyed the Road, it reminded me of some the 50s/60s style sci fi I read.

i remember as a kid being really made the left the bunker with the food

[sand depot]

i remember hearing about a story on a podcast but i can't find the story nor podcast! does anyone know the novel that includes guardsmen fighting a battlefield with chaos coming over the hilltop, driving the guardsmen mad just from the sight?

[drowsy urchin]

That doesn't really narrow it down too much

[tall phoenix]

Might be best to ask r/40klore

Those nutjobs tend to sometimes nail stuff down right from description but uh, just be aware they can be dickish too and not get you anything, but worth a shot

[unborn merlin]

That one’s a classic.

Remember reading that one back in middle school.

The scene at the end in the basement still sticks with me.

[loud helm]

[unborn merlin]

[sand depot]

got the answer from a lore group, it's from gaunt's ghosts!

[tall phoenix]

Damn, that’s a good one

[sand depot]

couldn't narrow down the specific book so gonna have to read em all

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/good-luck-need-it-star-wars-han-solo-gif-8453478

There’s 16 in total I think.

[sand depot]

i have a feeling the specific one i was after involved the tanith vs cultists, which is in the lost omnibus, will start there and keep going with the others if i get into it

[mellow knot]

Just a quick elbow into the chat to let you know there’s been a few additions to the reading list (in pinned messages here, or https://pyroriffic.wordpress.com/warhammer-40k-reading-starter-list/ if you want a quick link).

List always open for additions!

[wise yew]

i would like to recommend this in the orks section of the books

pros
Encapsulates orks pretty well and nails their philosophy in life on how they just don't care and want to have fun

cons
||The dark eldar are quite incompetent in the book so it's not really good for them.||

[tall phoenix]

Yeah it irks me too but as long as its good for ork readers its fine i think

[wise yew]

GW once again doing the triple combo dunk style on eldar

[severe trail]

It’s like Brutal Kunnin

[wise yew]

Brutal kunnin at least had the saving grace of having actually smart mechanicus characters

[severe trail]

Lol

Good point

[wise yew]

It greatly showcases how imperial leadership often views orks

Savage barbarians incapable of thinking

And then they wonder how they lose everything in a span of a second

[leaden acorn]

The BIG dakka

[tall phoenix]

Its what you call your massive co-

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fly-fly-cat-gif-23967129

[rocky geyser]

Does anyone know if the book club is going to ever continue? I got the first portrait back in the day but I don't think it ever continued after the first couple

[tall phoenix]

It kinda got disbanded after Aqshy got busy with Vermintide 2 years ago and now has officially left FS so its pretty much done

it was caught in the chaos of the game's bad release among other internal issues so it got flown to the wayside

[fallen sage]

what was book club?

[unborn merlin]

Book club sounds like fun 😔

Think I was in the server when it was still a thing but I left for a year after it was obvious that Xboners weren’t getting the game right away.

[rocky geyser]

There's 4 book club portraits sitting in darktide, decaying... Let the people earn them !!! ✊

[iron ore]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/04/17/court-lelith-hesperax-in-a-new-special-edition-novel-from-black-library/

I can’t believe it

A new dark eldar book

[tall phoenix]

Mike Brooks too

AND with Lelith

[iron ore]

One time we had to ban a guy from the warhammer discord cause he would only talk about her feet and ask questions about her feet and post pictures of her feet

Most bizarre thing I’ve witnessed

[tall phoenix]

BRUH

[unborn merlin]

He was ahead of his time.

[leaden acorn]

Nvm misread

[hybrid turtle]

Tzeentch seems really interesting, any good books about him or his followers?

[tall phoenix]

Ahriman's trilogy is the main go-to

theres also a REALLY old one from 2001

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Pawns_of_Chaos_(Novel)

might be more up your alley

[paper haven]

Tzeentch also plays a big role in the horus heresy: thousand sons book

[slow pilot]

the limited edition one looks so cool

[umbral storm]

any theory why they dont post original publication date on the black library product pages?

seems sus

[lethal valley]

Why was Sabbat Beati wearing small imperator armour? Instead of SOB/inquisitorial/SOS style armour

[wintry blade]

Alright, so I’m trying to read the cawl books in order

I read Wolfsbane, and just started great work, but I feel like there’s content in between the two

It’s unlikely to jump the whole heresy all the way to the indominus crusade with nothing on cawl

[tall phoenix]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/g1oy99/books_featuring_belisarius_cawl/

the people explain the issue slightly here

[unborn merlin]

He’s barely in the Dark Imperium books tbh.

I’m so used to GW just forgetting a character for years only to randomly throw them in a short story or unconventional novel.

I’m pretty sure Dark Imperium was released before Wolfsbane as well. So while the latter book has more backstory on Cawl, his first appearance is in Dark Imperium (and more of a cameo).

I do think there is a short story about Cawl that’s in some additions of DI but I could be wrong. Aside from the two other Cawl books (Great Work & Genefather) the only book that has a decent amount of Cawl would be Fall of Cadia.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the guy's in the comments say its literaly just his Not-AI lol

[unborn merlin]

It’s the AI he talks to in Genefather.

So it’s nice to see that get referenced but that’s really it.

[iron ore]

that new emperor's children book any good?

[proper portal]

speaking of Sabbat Beati and Gaunts Ghosts: I have been reading ayatani Zweil in Deckard Cain's voice and it fits perfectly

[tall phoenix]

Its alright

[iron ore]

what's it about

[tall phoenix]

Uh its basically just some E.Children warband an isolated imperial world and getting decadent to be the rulers of the planet as "hijinks" ensue from there lol

it has a lot of fun stuff i think, i dont wanna spoil it lmao

[iron ore]

any one get fucked?

[tall phoenix]

mostly tortured

[iron ore]

meh, I'll go back to my plethora of dark eldar books for torture

https://tenor.com/view/if-i-had-one-angry-yelling-fairly-odd-parents-mr-turner-gif-16322274

[tall phoenix]

You aint gonna last until that Lelith book

start reading nerd

[iron ore]

yea that cover might make me blow my edge

[tall phoenix]

BRUH

[iron ore]

https://tenor.com/view/yugioh-bandit-keith-animenagerie-gif-27090032

[royal egret]

Or worse, expelled

[tall phoenix]

[hearty niche]

What’s some good guardsmen books

[smoky bronze]

Gaunts Ghosts and Ciaphas Cain are the two primary series people like
ghosts is like traditional war novels, cain is more humorous

[wintry blade]

Where can I get more Cawl content? I just want my funny metal man

[wintry blade]

Also Yarrick omnibus

The holy Trinity

[unborn merlin]

There is no more unfortunately.

[unborn merlin]

Guess you could try reading the codex?

GW will introduce a cool faction or character and take five years to develop them. The Votann still don’t have their own book.

[wintry blade]

Dang

[wintry blade]

Or just wait for book 3

Now I don’t know what to read lol

[unborn merlin]

Well yeah, whenever that comes out.

In the meantime you just have the codex assuming you’ve already read Fall of Cadia and the short story that comes with limited editions of Dark Imperium.

[strange current]

Anyone have any idea of where/how I can find a copy of the twice dead king book 2 (Reign) in paperback? I can’t find it anywhere online 😦

[unborn merlin]

Pray

That’s all you can really do at this point.

[strange current]

😭😭😭

[hearty niche]

Need my next warhammer book

Wondering about Gaunts ghosts, Cain, or silent king

Really liked the infinite and the divine (very divisive statement I know)

[stable ivy]

LAGGGGG

i cant even play

[unborn merlin]

If you wanna read more Necron stuff there’s The Twice Dead King books.

Otherwise Robert Rath’s other books are excellent as well.

[drifting terrace]

Hey, complete newbie to the WH40k lore past the basics.

What're the best books to invest in the lore as a coherent universe? Or should I just scour the wiki till it all clicks.

[tall phoenix]

We got some books on the pins you can check out

listed by best ones to start with for specific factions, you can take a look there

[drifting terrace]

Thanks! (heart react etc. etc.)

[tall phoenix]

🙏

also this vid is very helpful

https://youtu.be/xF9uVsY9Fwo

[drifting terrace]

Thank you!

[tall phoenix]

[wintry blade]

I can also give you any lore you are interested in, I don’t mind infodumping

[drifting terrace]

Any direction would be appreciated. Just at me open mic tonight, will be online midnight GMT if you wanna spam me in DM!

[wintry blade]

Just dm me when you want

[old quiver]

Theres no book of Votann yet?

[severe trail]

They have no books

Aside from the codex

[old quiver]

thats sad...

[tall phoenix]

Gav Thorpe is writing a book

and they had one short story with necrons

thats about it

[lethal valley]

Did gaunt really order a bunch of tempestus scions into timeout?

[mortal hinge]

At least if you want to claim you know all the lore about something, The Votann got you.

[tall phoenix]

Lmaooo

low blow but true 💀

[drowsy urchin]

It's honestly quite wild how long it has taken for a proper Votann book to come out

I'm kinda wishing the Necron one gets an audio version but I doubt it

But then again how long did it take to get an Ork book

Or Tau

tbf Tau did get a lot of lore right away along side with the forge world releases

[severe trail]

This is the first time GW has dropped the ball for a new faction so hard tbh

[drowsy urchin]

Gotta be some scheduling errors involved

[severe trail]

Gsc got a book on launch

And admech got 2 books

Even though they weren’t entirely new

[drowsy urchin]

What book did the gsc get?

Deathwatch one?

[severe trail]

Cult of the spiral dawn iirc

[drowsy urchin]

Oh hadn't heard of that one

[tall phoenix]

Its bad authors.

Theres a reason not a single tau fan likes Phil kelly

same with him for Salamanders

💀

[drowsy urchin]

Even bad authors would get stuff done if given the task to do it

[tall phoenix]

Nah.

like, as polarizing as 40k fandoms can be

it is RARE

when everyone agrees that an author is completely bad

Kelly is one super rare case

[drowsy urchin]

Bad writers and not writing/no writers is completely different no? Or is this Phil Kelly a notoriously slow writer?

[tall phoenix]

Hes the chief editor at BL

you tell me

[wintry blade]

But damn that necron story was good

I love gav Thorpe

[tall phoenix]

[wintry blade]

Did I choose poorly?

Will I be found dead in a dark alley later this week?

Oh you meant a votaan short story

Also I got my authors mixed up

I think the only necron book gav wrote is world engine which is eh

I was thinking of Nate Crowley lol

[tall phoenix]

Oh nah yeah the short story is good

World Engine is just mary sue galore

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-hello-mary-mary-yukari-yakumo-touhou-gif-25105215

[frigid osprey]

shout out to Nick Kyme as well

[wintry blade]

What’s it’s name again, I wanna re-read it

[tall phoenix]

One Million Years

[hybrid delta]

Whoever did the end times I want drawn and quartered

As a writer, the firing squad would be lenient

Holy SHIT that was the worst writing I’ve ever seen and I’ve finished game of thrones

[proud haven]

Had these arrive today

[wintry blade]

In the Book Fire Warrior, Kais’ “mont’au devil” is probably the influence of khorne/khornate daemons right?

Or is that unlikely since tau aren’t as affected by the warp?

[severe trail]

It’s probably khorne

He performs superhuman feats of strength

And gets increasingly violent and bloodthirsty

[wintry blade]

So what is the correct order to read the farsight books

fire and ice and stuff included

[lost rose]

Hey so ive been getting into warhammer a lot and i know theres a book series for it but which one do i start with?

[cerulean peak]

There's a pinned link with recommendations

Is there any faction you're more interested in than others?

[wintry blade]

||It’s apparently a fragment of a greater daemon of tzeench attempting to align with chaos undivided||

Not sure how that works, maybe his rage was the only foothold it could take as a liaison for khorne, im told t’au are somewhat difficult to corrupt without direct warp exposure, and even then

[severe trail]

||thats what he kills||

iirc

[wintry blade]

Yeah I just read it

[iron ore]

what are the dark eldar books other than the path of the dark eldar series?

[tall phoenix]

You can count them on one hand lmao

its mostly short-stories, if you want another perfect one id recommend Lukas the Trickster, advertises as a space marine book but has an equal amount of good fat dark eldar parts

its good fun

[iron ore]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-benoit-benoit-chris-wwe-wwe-chris-benoit-gif-24509491

[tall phoenix]

[lethal valley]

Please tell me abnett is not about to have Merryn and co r×pe felyx?

I'll just skip that part if so

[glass sparrow]

yes

[glass sparrow]

it doesn't get to that point

[lethal valley]

Yeah, other bookchat answered that one, it just completed the whole transformation of meryn into fething Cuuh 2.0

[unkempt wren]

Explain to Ulgo why. Wanna know

[hybrid delta]

basically they had to officially end the story of fantasy so age of sigmar can bring more money in

the writer(s) just did whatever the fuck as the final global war was summed up as “and then everyone died and the planet blew up”

the last thing that caused the world to detonate was a character (mannfred) just randomly against all reason/build up stopped gelt from saving the world and just killed him

literally no fucking reason

day was saved he even helped do it

Writer gave up and was like “ehhhhh and then mannfred betrayed them”

then sigmar recreated the realities and made sure it was actually worse than before and now with endless war

[severe trail]

Endtimes is really shit writing

The world of AoS isn't necissarily shittier then WHF though imo

now granted the chance of being in a shittier place is alot higher

but Azyr is safer then pretty much any place in WHF

[unkempt wren]

Ulgo kill writer

[hybrid delta]

thank god

warhammer fantasy literally did fuck all with what it had, they could have done anything with it but instantly gave up the second 40k got mildly popular

gw is a company of penny pinching assholes

[severe trail]

WHF also was always stuck in 1 minute from midnight territory

Or I guess an hour from midnight

[hybrid delta]

which was also stupid because nothing ever got done because it was always this “there are global threats about to happen”

[severe trail]

Either way WHF died because it was doing bad as a product unfortunately

And GW at the time was dying as well lol

Pretty funny how close the company came to dying

[hybrid delta]

funnier that the only one preventing them from making tons of profit, is literally themselves

morons with leather chairs I swear i legit get personally mad at GW because i just want good shit for a thing I like 💀

[severe trail]

GW are Ironicially less risk averse then they used to be

Idk

I think as a company they’re far from that shit

They aren’t good but they aren’t really what I’d call horrible

[hybrid delta]

The sfm shit was honestly my tipping point because before that I’d say “well they’re not that bad”

If they were american based ive no doubt the mfs would have pinkertons harassing people all over the place

I can’t recall all the details but I remember the huge thing about the way they spelled ‘elves’ with an A and trying to sue people to like copy-write the made up word

Idk I guess more or less I feel they aren’t evil but there’s no reason they should feel compelled to do the stupid shit they do is all

[severe trail]

Idk they didn’t sue or issue take down notices to anyone over it iirc

I could be wrong though

[wintry blade]

Is there more content for farsight beyond his trilogy? I feel like I’m missing things

[severe trail]

The codex

And the farsight enclave codex supplement

[wintry blade]

Isn’t there like fire and ice?

[leaden acorn]

Malekith was the king all along lolxd

[hybrid delta]

say sike rn

i ain’t about to open fandom on my phone

[leaden acorn]

Your entire civil war was a waste of time and lives

Tyrion and teclis deez nuts

[oak pollen]

friend got me the first book in the Eisenhorn series

[oak pollen]

umm ||i think Eisenhorn just broke the 4th wall||

[forest spruce]

Going through dawn of fire seris on wolftime finally and this book is 15 karking hours.

[tall phoenix]

Why the fuck

did you get Wolftime lol