#40k-book-club

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dreamy ledge
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oh i didn tknow that

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i enever use da gargant

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if a gargant army box drops i mgiht get them

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they seem fun an dbalanced

wise yew
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they eat sea monsters for fun

severe trail
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I wonder if they’ll rename daughters of khaine

dreamy ledge
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probably not, since they all did originate from khan

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i mean

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khaine

severe trail
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Like if they add the shadow elves

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Under them I mean

dreamy ledge
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yea

severe trail
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Because they aren’t all female

dreamy ledge
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Oh

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well the male shadow elves are playable in daughters

severe trail
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Are they?

dreamy ledge
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yea

severe trail
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I forgor

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Oh

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Neat

dreamy ledge
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from killteam and underworlds

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i mena

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warcry

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lol

severe trail
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No one near me plays them

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So I never see any of their stuff on the tabletop irl

dreamy ledge
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they are erally bad in warcry and underworlds

severe trail
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Oof

dreamy ledge
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like really bad

severe trail
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I want 40k books in the modern era

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That aren’t the dawn of fire ones

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They’re so inconsistent

dreamy ledge
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lmao

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its basically an anthpology

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idk hwo to spell it

severe trail
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It is an anthology but like ugghhhhh

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They aren’t of consistent quality at all most of them don’t even progress the plot

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In a meaningful way

dreamy ledge
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lol

hearty niche
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Something I have noticed in the Gotrek and Felix series

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The author sure does write “if he noticed x, he made no sign of showing it” a lot

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Like this exact line pops up like once a chapter

gilded shadow
severe trail
gilded shadow
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ohh

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yeah me 2

proper portal
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Why, you hungry?

hybrid turtle
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Ahhh tysm this helps

unkempt wren
tall phoenix
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@lunar iris This pin here

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basically just watch that introductory video so you KINDA know whats going on then get yourself started.

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Worst case you can also just read the lexicanum which is a summary-version wikipedia for 40k lol

lunar iris
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ah nicee

tall phoenix
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Also for context uh

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40k Wikipedia is basically fans just taking pages straight from codexes/rulebooks and copy pasting them wholesale

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Lexicanum is a seperate site like i said that does summary versions and actually cites sources.

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Up to you on which one you want to peek at

tribal sky
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In gaunts ghosts, do you get to see any loyalist marines? Im pretty early on ||and have only seen them talk about them from a distance. Oh and the first mini story from the omnibus had a iron snakes helmet. Also im so confused about that short story thing. So far, literally has nothing to do with the rest of the story.||

pliant turtle
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Probably want Salvation's Reach

mild orbit
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Friends. I want to get into the black library. What's a good place to start ? I'm a fan of salamanders
Orks. Charcharadons. And necrons

drowsy urchin
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Twice Dead King has Necrons and Orks

sinful python
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Nick Kyme wrote an entire series about Salamanders, which is... alright

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been released in an omnibus

mild orbit
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What's generally a good place to start overall

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Horus heresy ?

wise yew
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That is like the longest running series in warhammer

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Most of it is fller

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You can check to the pins if you want some beginner friendly books

drowsy urchin
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if you are very familiar with the setting then Horus Heresy is fine place to start the novels, I did so. If you're a bit more unfamiliar with Warhammer overall it's better to maybe start with something else and return to it once you know more about the 'current' setting and world

mild orbit
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i have been consuming a lot of content and lore already through other means but figured i wana read some of the actual books

tall phoenix
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If you want Salamanders im really sorry but most of their books are universally awful and boring.

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at least any written by Nick Kyme

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you can google him now and see KEKW_ogryn

mild orbit
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charcharodons got any books?

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legion of the damned?

tall phoenix
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An old novel here

tall phoenix
mild orbit
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oh swet

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sweet*

tall phoenix
loud helm
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the best salamanders fiction is Emp TTS

frigid osprey
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I always think ppl should start with some 40k stories and not the heresy tbh

tall phoenix
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Same. The Heresy is a bloated money-grubby mess

frigid osprey
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It loses out on loads of the stuff they makes 40k what it is - Inquisitors, Rogue traders, the stagnancy of everything.

tall phoenix
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Also ironically it becomes essentially just 40k but with a 30k coat of paint lol

celest heron
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Id reccomend the grey knights omnibus, the only 40k book I read

unborn merlin
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I pray for the sanity of anyone who decides to jump into the HH completely blind to the setting.

wintry blade
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I just pretend 30k and the heresy doesn’t exist beyond as a vague event for worldbuilding

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Cause my ass is not getting into all that lore

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Are the ynnari books worth reading, im fairly sure I’m out of xenos books to read, I’ve heard they aren’t great, but I’ll take most anything for xenos content

pliant turtle
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I mean kinda answered your own question

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Its not super terrible

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And a big plus is that it pushes the plot forward

severe trail
tall phoenix
hollow bloom
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They were so bad they basically killed interest in the ynari, actually sad

tall phoenix
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^

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Read any other eldar novel lol

short stratus
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anyone that can tell me if fishig is still alive in the book malleus?

forest spruce
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I dropped the infinite and the divine on a coworkers desk cause he mentioned he had a passing intrest in 40k

unborn merlin
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Absolute chad.

unborn merlin
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What’s the general consensus on the Primarch books? Honestly think some of them are better than a majority of the HH novels, albeit they have some massive stinkers and are on the shorter side.

tall phoenix
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Most are pretty bad.

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the only good ones are like... 4-5 of them and thats kind of it

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their issue is just like the HH novels almost all of them are written for padding out the Heresy and getting a buck out of people

unborn merlin
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That is GW’s M.O. at the end of the day.

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Still enjoyed half of the traitor primarch’s books in particular. Can’t help but giggle when Konrad spends an entire book gossiping to a meat puppet in the image of the Corpse Emperor.

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Mostly irked by them because GW could’ve easily just made them mainline books or integrate them. Guess releasing ten thousand anthology books was more important.

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But just like you said, they exist because $$$.

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Just sucks that you have characters like the Khan whose lore is strictly in the Heresy. Rip White Scars.

tall phoenix
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Gotta make that slop.

unborn merlin
loud helm
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can someone tell me if the ynnari plotline is still ongoing? I was interested but I heard that GW dropped it and if it's never going to finished or resolved in any way i won't bother

tall phoenix
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Its technically still ongoing but it may as well be basically abandoned lol

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their last big event was during Psychic Awakening lul

loud helm
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yea that's what I've heard 😦

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when i learned about ynnari from friends/wiki I thought they sounded cool and I was researching what books to read

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and if it was all abandoned because gw only cared about it as a set up for guilliman

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harlequins are still the best eldar ig

tall phoenix
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Harlequins work great because they basically always act as secondary characters to the story of other people and do their job before leaving no harm done lol

tall phoenix
loud helm
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i heard also their rules were just bad

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you HAD to take yvraine REALLY restricts list building

tall phoenix
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Yeah it sucked ass

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tabletop was prob the main reason why they got axed since GW doesn't really care about the lorefront perception of things.

severe trail
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From a rules perspective Ynnari are either broken or meh

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Soup is volatile as hell

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shame they didn't get more lore

tall phoenix
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^ alas

loud helm
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I kind of like how soup is balanced in 10th. I think they should have seperate points lists for allies maybe though.

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things like nurglings getting nerfed because they are a requirement for all the chaos allies to function is kind of lame for chaos demons

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I have a half built squad of inquisitorial henchmen im going to field with my sororitas

severe trail
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Nurglings also got nerfed because they're must take in daemons

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but GW is ignoring the fact that the rest of the lesser daemons are uh

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not great

celest heron
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So what Im hearing

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Imperial guard

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All conscripts

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Is still the meta

severe trail
celest heron
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Nooooooo

fallen crescent
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jaunty scaffold
unborn merlin
mellow knot
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On International Women’s Day, have a strong female lead.

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tall phoenix
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Valkia is a good novel id recommend it

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also time for a re-read

loud helm
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i was looking at it

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I like her in total warhammer

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skarbrand got jobbered by her 😄

mellow knot
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I mean, I will always recommend it but my bias is strong

glass sparrow
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So I just finished the Lukas the Trickster book and this GIF just sums up how I envisioned how the Duke looks and acts lmao

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Also was a decent job by John Banks in terms of narration.

tall phoenix
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Both sides more or less actually win and succeed in their goals and the two main protags fight, have a laugh, tell each other a good ole "fuck you but I liked duking it out with you too, same time next week?" before departing

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I can't praise it enough because you almost never see this kind of treatment in most modern 40k books and one side always has to get clowned on for no reason lol

pliant turtle
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My favorite book moment is when Try Again Bragg, a slightly bigger than normal human, wields a full auto cannon to shit on not 1 but 2 chaos space marines

loud helm
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UM A NORMAL HUMAN NEVER KILLS A SPACE MARINE

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my reponse:

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a cup of recaff, sir?

pliant turtle
loud helm
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Yea

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pictured right after defeating slanneshi space hitler

pliant turtle
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I freaking love Jurgen

loud helm
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its funny because in universe he is cursed to be hated by everyone because hes a blank

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but hes so loved by the readers

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T_T

pliant turtle
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But also in fairness Meltas as the name implies melt space marine armor

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I feel like an Ork named the meltas

pliant turtle
loud helm
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she definitely does, because she recruits cain 50% of the time just to access jurgen

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she has a psyker in her retinue in a few books who goes absolutely bonkers when jurgen gets close

pliant turtle
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I'm a sucker for all things blank and pariah related

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I think the general theme though is that they're more often than not, very human and looking for human connection

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Not even love, just acknowledgement to be seen as a human or friendship

loud helm
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there was a really good blank in the 40k noir animation they did

pliant turtle
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Yeeeee loved that

tall phoenix
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This animation had no right to slap as much as he did

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shame GW is stupid so nobody will know this animation exists lol

pliant turtle
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It aint gw if they aint shooting themselves in the foot

tall phoenix
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Yep lol

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also had one of the most "bruh" endings of all time

pliant turtle
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There damn well better be a season 2

sinful python
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just got Gav Thorpe's Ravenwing from under the pile of dust where it was hiding, my brother gave it to me for my birthday a decade ago but I never started it (wasn't really into Dark Angels), is it worth a read?

loud helm
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The animation was sideshow tier but the story and voice acting carried it far.

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40k noir

tall phoenix
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It was still very good imo the animation didnt leave me desiring anything else as long as the plot was good

tall phoenix
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would have been a fitting ending, hollow meaningless victory but at least leaving the planet behind is some modicum of closure

loud helm
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|| I mean the story is peak 40k. he gives everything to the inquisitor he saw as having given him everything and it blinded him to a conspiracy to commit an act of Supreme evil.

and the one he thought was the enemy and hated was the one who did the most for him in the end.

its a victory in the sense he prevented a cataclysmic ending to the horrible status quo of imperial life.
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and being a noir story fits 40k perfectly.

tall phoenix
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I mean he didn't end anything.

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Psykers are still out of control and the planet is still doomed, even before them Imperial life would always be shit.

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I meant more that him not leaving the planet is stupid lmao

loud helm
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oh.

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yea, probably is just gonna go back to drinking himself to death

tall phoenix
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Just like real life

pliant turtle
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If you're not already a Dark Angels fan, many would say its a difficult read

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Back to interrogator, i'm just not sure he has anywhere to go, even if he did leave the planet, but also, he do be pretty stupid

rich crescent
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Loved the night lords books

hearty niche
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Why does Felix keep whinging every time anything happens to him? Is he cringe?

pliant turtle
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I need motivation to finish

unborn merlin
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I also think it requires some extra reading beforehand.

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Here’s some info on it if you want to give it a try.

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Still think Savage Weapons by ADB is the best DA story we’ve ever gotten but it’s pretty short.

tall phoenix
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I remember reading all the DA books by Thorpe

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and slowly going insane

unborn merlin
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lol typical Thorpe experience.

severe trail
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Suffering builds character

tall phoenix
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Me reading a Dark Angels book expecting any plot twist that isn't the Fallen and it ends up being the Fallen again

unborn merlin
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At least we’re getting into the whole Rizzen part of their lore.

glass sparrow
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The Lion returning and realizing he was an absolute fuckwad to his sons for no good reason was a great part of the book.

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and actually admitting to it

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now that right there is character development

unborn merlin
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I love my boy Lohoc, what an absolute chad.

loud helm
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Cypher running around in the imperial palace trying to dodge dark angels storyline

glass sparrow
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I know it's not 40k... but I didn't expect HTP to give us a CLUE arc

tall phoenix
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Hunter is peak fiction

unborn merlin
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Speaking of Thorpe, finished The First Wall.

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What a waste of fucking time lol.

glass sparrow
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Thorpe is the only author so far that I will genuinely hesitate to purchase a book he has worked on. For the very simple reason that the man has good highs and abyss level lows. There are parts of The First Wall that I genuinely enjoyed and was great to listen to Jonathan Keeble narrate, but my god what was even the point of writing about the dock workers only to immediately vent them into space after they started to talk about coffee or tea. and the hive city regiment twist... that was more then mildly annoying

unborn merlin
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Thought they were just gonna be another plot line only to get jettison into space after a paragraph.

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The Lost and the Damned did a much better job at describing what it’s like to be a grunt on the wall. Plus it had Beastmen so it automatically becomes superior in my eyes.

glass sparrow
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its not like there weren't other characters that were introduced and then killed off shortly in other books in the SoT series. For instance there was the noble who refused to leave her family home and abandon her birds, she sat in her study with a weapon if I remember correctly and stayed there even when she started to hear something (deamons perhaps) trying to get in.

unborn merlin
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Read about TFW’s bad reputation and only picked it up for my boy Forrix which I thought was great but I didn’t actually expect the Zenobi plot line to be half the book.

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What a slog man.

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After the half way point I just started skipping anytime she popped up. Was not impressed by the reveal at the end either and I normally like Alpha Legion shenanigans.

glass sparrow
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I pray they release Shroud of Night on Audible soon

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I have only heard snippets about that book and my god it makes me want to be an Alpha Legion fan

unborn merlin
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Alpha Legion is dope, just one of many legions that get the short end of the stick lore wise.

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We need ten thousand more Blueberry stories loregryn

glass sparrow
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yeah I like it because the Alpha Legion squad the book follows clearly has been lost since the heresy and only just came back to see everyone, loyalist and traitor alike suffer ten thousand years of brain damage and are beyond fed up with both sides.

unborn merlin
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Another Alpha Legion W.

brittle tapir
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i dont remember his name

glass sparrow
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in another book a Alpha Legion warlord tries to recruit them and only receives a "fuck off" to his offer

glass sparrow
brittle tapir
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C.S goto yeah

glass sparrow
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and there is a difference between hesitating to buy a story, and outright avoiding

brittle tapir
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i've not read a bad 40k book yet so idk how bad his stuff is

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ben counter is pretty cool

unborn merlin
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Nick Kyme is another infamous writer.

brittle tapir
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what makes these authors bad though i don't get it

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is their stuff just boring

unborn merlin
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Poor writing mostly.

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I think Kyme writes absolute dribble. Weak characters, bad pacing, that kinda stuff.

unkempt wren
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Ulgo read Skullduggery Pleasant. Very fun book. Dark Humor, detective skeleton and magic

hybrid turtle
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are there any other books about ghazkull or is it just 'prophet of the waaaagh'?

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i know theres a bunch about yarrick

tall phoenix
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Literally just Ghazkull the Book yeah, he makes small appearances in Yarrick’s stuff

tall phoenix
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Kyme is just a very boring writer and is only remaining in Black Library due to being the chief editor and being an old guard. I’ve not met a single Salamander or normal casual fan in 12 years that can say absolutely anything good about his novels from how boring and uninteresting he makes his protagonist factions, Sallies especially who have gotten 6+ dreadful novels from him kek

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Its not a super complex case all things considered.

hybrid turtle
iron ore
brittle tapir
random marlin
# tall phoenix Kyme is just a very boring writer and is only remaining in Black Library due to ...

Just one thing about Nick Kyme, I didn't read anything from him except one of his most recent ones, Volpone Glory.

I did find this novel better than average, as the author had some notion of strategy and logistics, a refreshing change from most Guard books. Some interesting concepts were also explored, notably propaganda, in a way that was much better than in the recent Longshot for instance. The book wasn't perfect (it seemed to be a bit too derivative of Gaunt's Ghosts, which it's kind of a spin-off of), there were maybe some pacing issues and a few predictable plot points, but I enjoyed it for what it was.

Maybe Nick Kyme improved and/or is more comfortable with guard stories than with Salamanders? Because I indeed always heard that Salamanders books were not good.

tall phoenix
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Maybe? Hes been always a mediocre author to 40k fans which is an achievement because even the most mid books sometimes end up having fans but with his stuff these people are even more non-existent.

uneven tree
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okey am i goofed or is the second book in the horus herasy slightly worrse written than the first?

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like i got used to the horus that was portreyed in the first book, cool, calm collected and not resorting to violance, blut like in litraly chapter 2 he has a temper tantrum about not being recorded?

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like wha?

unborn merlin
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Personally think the third one is the worst out of the first three books.

uneven tree
uneven tree
unborn merlin
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Some people argue the second one is but I prefer Graham McNeill over Ben Counter.

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Inconsistencies are pretty common because there was like over ten authors that wrote for the series.

uneven tree
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this is unfortunate news

tall phoenix
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But as a longtime Heresy follower ill speak and say that you really aren't missing much and could easily just as well read summaries of some of these and be in the loop lol

unborn merlin
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I skipped like 15 books from the HH and didn’t feel like I missed much.

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You’d only really attempt to read all of them if you’re a masochist.

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All that’s really required is reading the first three, I’d argue the Unremembered Empire arc, and if you’re feeling extra silly Slaves to Darkness if you’re interested in the Siege books. Even then half of the SoT books are mediocre so you can’t really win.

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Most fans would just tell you to skip the HH altogether with the exception of some really good one off books.

tall phoenix
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Yeah its a money trap that a lot of people unfortunately also fall into

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anyone who says you gotta read a good chunk of the HH is an absolute star wars tier slop-eater and I mean full offense by this lol

unborn merlin
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lol not wrong.

tall phoenix
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I read like 30 books in it and I regret it ever since holy fuck

unborn merlin
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I drive a lot for work so listening to the HH through audible. I just spread that shit out and did maybe one or two books a month for two years.

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Couldn’t imagine grinding them all out.

tall phoenix
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Yeah and it also just gets SO fucking repetitive.

unborn merlin
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Because I drive a lot for work it’s pretty common for me to finish a book in a day.

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I definitely just zoned out through most of the anthologies until something cool came up.

tall phoenix
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Yeah theres a reason its way better to handpick the universally praised novels in the series instead, a great majority of it is slop just like the Siege of Terra.

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HH fans can be some of the worst slop-consumers in existence 💀

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Sorry homie I'm not reading a 300+ page book just to get like 1 cool one-liner moment

unborn merlin
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Anyone who tells you that reading all of them is essential is just coping hard.

tall phoenix
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^

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They get so offended when you tell them this shit too so best to avoid em alltogether

unborn merlin
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That said the HH did make me an Iron Hands fan. Mostly because almost all of their lore is heresy era shit lol.

tall phoenix
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KEK yeah the individual novels are fine for the most part, they are like comic books, you pick/read/throw away

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after Ferrus dies they basically almost get nothing to do

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"Damn Ferrus was such a loser. Anyway uhhh lets go shoot traitors"

unborn merlin
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The Shattered Legions got milked so fucking hard too.

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Like jeeze can we move on already?

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I get it, three legions got bodied.

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Do we need ten thousand short stories about it?

tall phoenix
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Bro they get ALL that filler then go to Luna and get massacred, what a great sendoff to all that shit 💀

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and in the end its just one emo raven man sleeping in a dead space ship with the Primaris geneseed

unborn merlin
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Iron Hands fans can’t catch a break.

tall phoenix
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Shame because they werent too bad inthe S-Legion stuff but the moment Sharrowkyn was around I knew he was gonna be the last marine standing

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someone had to secure that sperm-seed for the future model lines 💀

unborn merlin
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Bigger Gary Stu than Garro if you ask me.

tall phoenix
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LEGIT

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I got nothing against Garo but man

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going out shit-talking Mortarion like literally every other loyalist from the traitor legions got boring after the 6th time

unborn merlin
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I love my boy Garro but that was a wet fart of an ending for him.

tall phoenix
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Literally with the fart bit when Morty was involved 💀

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AND IN A FUCKING NOVELLA

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NOT EVEN A MAIN BOOK

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YOU HAD 8 OF THEM YOU FUCKING FRAUDS

unborn merlin
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Take a drink every time a space marine gets impaled by a sword and they just shit talk their killer.

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Happens like ten times lol.

tall phoenix
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You forgot them also doing the shit of uh

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gets purposefully stabbed to get closer to the opponent

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kills them that way since they are face to face

unborn merlin
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TRUE

tall phoenix
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OH MY GOD lmao

unborn merlin
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I MEANT TO GET STABBED IDIOT!

tall phoenix
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fuck you James Workshop you murdered my family

unborn merlin
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Ah man, maybe I give a lot BL books slack because they’re just pulpy as hell.

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I like them the same way I love a b-movie.

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Not high class art but at least fun.

tall phoenix
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Yeah the entire motto of BL is throw shit at the wall and see what sticks

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some are high-class, most are mediocre and others are just bad

unborn merlin
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Pretty much.

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Not every book can be a First Heretic.

tall phoenix
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At the end of the day yeah these books are allowed to get written because they want you to buy models lol

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people got no idea how LITTLE these novels actually make money wise

unborn merlin
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We live in an unjust world where Josh Reynolds can’t write the stories he wants but Gav Thorpe can continue to write bad Dark Angels books.

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Knowing Manflayer was supposed to be twice as long kills me.

tall phoenix
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Its all about being an Old Guard like Kyme, Thorpe and Abnett

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if you are in that status no editor can tell you what to do, its hilariously unfair

unborn merlin
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I think Reynolds threw around the idea of a Blood Bowl book too. That would’ve been hella fun.

tall phoenix
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if you have read the ending author notes of End and the Death Vol 3, Abnett says that Kyme (his editor, which explains why the book has so much junk) basically told him and I quote "Dont worry about the wordcount just write as much as you want" which is one of the WORST things you can tell to someone like Abnett whos like 40k Lucas who has so many ideas but nobody ever tells him to just stop lol

tall phoenix
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it was heartbreaking lmao

unborn merlin
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Yeah I remember reading that thread.

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Broke my heart man.

tall phoenix
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It goes to show that BL does not appreciate creativity

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i kind of get why because you cannot just constantly produce books

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but man 💀

digital saffron
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You can't constantly produce books but it wouldn't hurt for every 8 of 10 books to not be space marine adventures

unborn merlin
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Hey…maybe we can actually get that last Black Legion books since the Siege is over…

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I doubt it tho…

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😔

tall phoenix
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We prob will

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because we are getting Scouring

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we need a reason for the 30k line to be relevant

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$$$$$

unborn merlin
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Nah man, we need ten books about the Iron Cage.

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Ez money.

tall phoenix
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Cant wait for that one

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all of r40klore threads will be filled with "omg iron fists were so badass saying one liners to iron warriors"

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I MEAN IMPERIAL FISTS NOT IRON FISTS

unborn merlin
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Patiently waiting for the bs explanation on why Perty becomes a chaos juicer.

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I love the Imperial Hands.

tall phoenix
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💀

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BRUH

unborn merlin
mellow knot
unborn merlin
tall phoenix
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I really need to read some of your space marine books lmao

mellow knot
unborn merlin
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Same. Wrapping up the Siege pretty soon so I need new stuff to sink my teeth into.

digital saffron
tall phoenix
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Silver Skulls + Huron Blackheart stuff sounds likea good start 👀

wise yew
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Reading all of horus heresy should be considered as a legal way to torture someone

unborn merlin
mellow knot
tall phoenix
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Love em and hate em 🙏

mellow knot
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But yes. I’m an unashamed fan of good ol’ bolter porn. It’s escapism at its finest.

unborn merlin
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I know the feeling. I’m one of five people that thought Damnation of Pythos was great.

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Chaos juiced dinosaurs vs Iron Hands? Sign me up.

mellow knot
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You know what? Nothing is going to ever please everyone. There are books that other people rave about that I don’t enjoy just as I will no doubt love stuff that others don’t. Everyone should be free to like what they like.

unborn merlin
loud helm
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I'm a sucker for Magnus/Ahriman stuff in 30k.

unborn merlin
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Don’t like Magnus at all but Ahriman is a chad.

loud helm
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i relate to him a lot xD

grand hollow
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Has anyone read The Reverie by Peter Fehervari? I'm about 100 pages in and somewhat confused.

iron ore
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Read Legion by Dan abnett backwards to get the real lore

wintry blade
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So I’ve just read valedor, and I heard there was a ynnari book related to it, what’s the name of that one? I started reading the rise of the ynnari books and it seems like I’ve gone it of order or missed things

wintry blade
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Based and acceptancepilled

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I can’t believe I just said that, I don’t know what came over me

tall phoenix
wintry blade
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Unless that happens “off stage”

tall phoenix
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Yep offstage

wintry blade
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And is exclusively mentioned

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That’s kinda dumb lol

tall phoenix
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Ynnari get jack and shit lol

wintry blade
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That would have been an interesting interaction to see

wintry blade
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I’m not a huge eldar guy, but I’ve run out of other content to consume, and I mean, they’re still xenos so I think they’re neat

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I just realized, I’ve literally never once encountered Aeldari in tabletop

tall phoenix
#

But basically for a detailed roadmap for you:

The first bit of Ynnari fluff is a Audio Drama series called 'Hand of Darkness'.

After that it is Ghost Warrior novel.

Then Shadows of Heaven and Fireheart short stories, which are both AWFUL.

And then now finally Wild Rider.

After these they have basically gotten nothing for almost 2 years now lorewise.

tall phoenix
wintry blade
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Dang, if it wasn’t an audiobook I’d check it out

wintry blade
tall phoenix
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Yep 💀

wintry blade
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I see a lot of eldar representation in non book media recently though which is nice

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Mostly dark eldar though

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Like in RT they have some consistent presence

tall phoenix
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Yeah those are also good

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Them appearing in stuff like Forges of Mars is also great shit

wintry blade
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Still pissed there’s no orks in rogue trader

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Like c’mon

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They got shafted

tall phoenix
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As non-imperial factions do alas 💀

wintry blade
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I know but even like tyranids get some stuff

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There’s literally an ork skull in your study

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And it’s an “unknown xenos” get outta here with that bs

wicked tree
wintry blade
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Orks are nearly everywhere, no way they aren’t in the expanse

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If it’s not in a dlc I’ll be thoroughly upset

unborn merlin
wicked tree
unborn merlin
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Pythos is literally a 80’s sci-fi b-movie with a Warhammer coat of paint.

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It’s got dinosaurs, demons, cyborgs, and bolter porn. I adore it a lot.

drowsy urchin
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It's one of the few HH books I skipped because I was told it sucked and didn't relate to anything in anyway

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besides that I've only skipped Nemesis and the latter anthologies

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probably should revisit both

tall phoenix
drowsy urchin
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wait didn't you like Nemesis

tall phoenix
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I meant for Poopnation of Phytos

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Nemesis is ok

random marlin
unborn merlin
drowsy urchin
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Ah

unborn merlin
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I know some people really hate the ending but I liked it.

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One of those grimdank bummer endings.

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It works as a standalone story but for whatever reason was forced to be a HH book.

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It’s pretty much just a Warhammer Horror book.

drowsy urchin
#

Hmh

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Might be interesting

unborn merlin
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If you go into it not expecting high class art or anything it’s a great story to read around Halloween.

drowsy urchin
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pupper right

cerulean peak
tall phoenix
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Reverie kind of is

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Its packed

cerulean peak
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His book was enjoyable, I should give his others a shot eventually

unborn merlin
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Taking a break from SoT to read Genefather.

tall phoenix
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Genefather is great

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Its fun

unborn merlin
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Heard it was more of a Cawl novel than a Bile one. Is Bile still a stinky gremlin?

tall phoenix
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Yes hes awesome in this but very much is a cartoony side character

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The novel also is entirely a setup. Cawl goes to a planet with pals, Bile attacks his ship, does mcguffin thing, they talk, he leaves Cawl, cya for next book

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Thats my non-spoiler summary KEKW_ogryn

unborn merlin
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Sounds like a good time. Gonna start it today.

wintry blade
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Man I gotta start reading Bob warhammer books again

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I’ve been reading just 40K for like year

wide mica
random marlin
# cerulean peak Are his books really that confusing? I've only read Cult of the Spiral Dawn and ...

No, I may have worded that poorly. I meant that it's not surprising to get confused when reading Peter Fehervari for the first time for several reasons.

His style, his "voice" is very different from most of the other BL writers. There's no bolter porn here, even though he can more than stand his own in the action department (his short story The Altar of Jaws is an awesome example of that and is almost nonstop-action... as well as cosmic/body horror, which is something in which Peter excels) .

Basically, Peter is very good at writing in a way that will be playful and very rewarding for attentive readers, who will be able to pick up details and try and piece out how these details impact the bigger picture.

However, he also does that between all of his works, which are gathered under the name The Dark Coil (fans of his named it that way and then it was officially picked up by GW). So, when you read several of these works, you can find connections between characters/places/events and then if you revisit the first works of him you've read, you then realize that such and such detail you've noticed were linked to another novel/short story you hadn't read yet.

That's one of the things that can be confusing when reading a first novel by him, especially The Reverie as it has many links to his other novels/short stories, featuring the Angels Resplendent, the Space Marine chapter he created and which has quite a fascinating story.

Cult of the Spiral Dawn was, if I'm not mistaken, his first BL novel, so there are links to his other works but it's more of a "classic" novel than most of his works. And it's still a damn good book.

If you're interested in Fehervari's works and enjoyed Cult of the Spiral Dawn, I can only encourage you to check his other works. If you're interested in Guard and Tau, you could start with Fire Caste, which basically is "40k meets Apocalypse Now" (but it's a very reductive way of presenting it, it's much more than that).

cerulean peak
random marlin
# cerulean peak Thanks for the info! I'll probably give his other works a shot if I can ever fi...

You're welcome, and I hope you'll enjoy them! About physical copies, I fear this may not be easy to find as he's not one of the more popular writers so his works are not often reedited.

There was a limited edition of part of his works last year, aptly named The Dark Coil, but as you can guess, this may be even harder to find today! https://www.warhammer.com/en-US/shop/the-dark-coil-box-set-collection-ltd-ed-eng-2023

cerulean peak
#

I've worked for years in books and publishing when I was younger and i'm astonished every time when I see GW incapacity to print paper or to fulfill demand.

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Even litteral who's have a distribution system business practice than gw/bl

unborn merlin
#

Haley is pretty good at writing comedy and I feel like his version of Bile is faithful to the trilogy.

tall phoenix
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Hes a VERY cookie cutter Bile but hes an absolute delight to read

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Hes just bing chilling

unborn merlin
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He’s very sassy.

tall phoenix
#

He legit went

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“I’ll give you a chaos android so you can fuck off”

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🗿

unborn merlin
#

We’re never gonna get trilogy Bile again but I’m fine with this Bile if Haley continues to write him.

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I don’t think we’ll get a character construction like in the trilogy but that’s GW’s fault more than anything.

tall phoenix
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Yeah Reynolds is probably never gonna write Bile again since he clashed with BL post-trilogy

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Which sucks but not much you can do

unborn merlin
#

Honestly Bile has never been that consistent of a character outside of Reynolds’ work. Honestly kinda hated him during the beginning of the HH series.

tall phoenix
#

Yeah he goes from a super interesting fun villain to just Generic Mad Scientist

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It’s unfortunately his most popular basic media presentation

unborn merlin
#

That’s what happens when you have ten million cooks in the kitchen.

tall phoenix
#

Alas 💀

unborn merlin
#

Feel that way about Lorgar. ADB nailed him perfectly but not all versions of Lorgar or Bile are created equally.

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😔

tall phoenix
#

When you’re the Bad Guy you gotta take the punches as the heel

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😔

unborn merlin
#

So true sibling.

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✊😔

pliant turtle
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Oh I have read Peter Fehervari books before

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The Greater Evil was pretty good

unborn merlin
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His short story Nightfall was pretty good.

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Had my favorite legion the Night Lords doing JoJo poses.

velvet rose
#

I still remember Audie Joyce and his descent into madness from Fehervari's Fire Caste

glass sparrow
# tall phoenix Silver Skulls + Huron Blackheart stuff sounds likea good start 👀

Don't know if you'll care for a Space Wolves series of books, but Chris Wraight did a series about a pack of wolves called Járnhamar pack that I personally found to be solid from a story standpoint. It showed off the Wolves from two angles that was really neat. Doesn't hurt when the Sisters of Battle are handled with respect and shown to be able to put in work, a deathwatch veteran returning to his chapter ||with severe PTSD about Tyranid hive fleets and having to virus bomb multiple worlds just to starve them out.||, and an interesting plotline that involves the Eldar and wherever that leads.

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...

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I just realized there is now a continuation of the story of Ulftak from Brutal Kunnin

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Welp that's getting a credit spent on it

tall phoenix
#

Oh man I remember those fucking books

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I gotta re-read em at some point

glass sparrow
#

I just really like stories where marines are handled well while respecting the other factions involved.

random marlin
# velvet rose I still remember Audie Joyce and his descent into madness from Fehervari's Fire ...

Audie Joyce's character arc is definitely one of my favorite ones in Fire Caste (and probably in all of BL books), he made me feel a lot of things, like ||first compassion, thinking "oh he's a rookie and he looks so innocent, he probably won't last long" then being pleasantly surprised and rooting for him when he reveals himself to be a competent and smart soldier, to dislike and hatred when his religious integrism ends up with him murdering fellow comrades and falling to Chaos||.

When I asked Peter about this character, mentioning that he was one of my favorite ones, he told me that he was one of his as well too and that|| he didn't know at the start how his character arc would end, but he knew he didn't want him to die an obvious early death. At the end of the first act, he realized the character was an opportunity to say something interesting about the power of faith, or fanaticism. His sheer drive and conviction ended up carrying him through the endgame, though he didn't survive, as you know.||

drowsy urchin
#

Finished the Bile trilogy, it was good, got better by the latter half

unborn merlin
unborn merlin
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Finished Genefather and thought it was pretty good. Only issue I really had with it was Alpha Primus. Felt like his character was underbaked.

frigid osprey
#

i like Diomat

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and Ramos

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and Khorag tbf

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i love the idea that the noise marines are these mystical monks that make their wraithbone garden grow with their sound frequencies

unborn merlin
#

They were given some cool lore in the Bile trilogy.

#

Arrian Zorzi was also the GOAT.

drowsy urchin
#

I listened them as audiobook so I had some real trouble connecting these written names to their characters pupper

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but yeah I liked Zorzi

unborn merlin
#

I hate that the Black Legion and Bile series is turning me into a World Eaters fan slowly but surely.

drowsy urchin
#

World Eaters were always cool cool

unborn merlin
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I really don’t care about Angron but his sons are definitely cool dudes.

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Feel the same way about the Thousand Sons.

drowsy urchin
#

totally fair

frigid osprey
#

i really like Saqqara even though he's a 🤮 Word bearer

drowsy urchin
#

Word Bearers tend to have pretty interesting characters as well

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this includes Erebus

unborn merlin
#

See I’m a fan of the Bearers of the Word. Not my favorite CSM legion but they got some great characters.

tall phoenix
#

World Bearers and Word Eaters are very underrated

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📖
nomnomnom

frigid osprey
#

oh yeaaaaaah baby

#

very excited for this

unborn merlin
#

Let’s fucking GOOOOO!

IMG_2776.jpg
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Wow…the narration for The Fall of Cadia…is really fucking rough to listen to.

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I saw that the reception was mixed but holy moly I was not expecting it to be this bad.

tall phoenix
#

because its actually pretty good, the audio uhhh less so

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💀

unborn merlin
#

Oh…

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I was so naive…

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But like…this is like really really baaad…

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This is like Martin Ellis levels of bad.

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And I thought nothing could’ve beaten Magnus the Red’s Donald Trump voice from A Thousand Sons.

tall phoenix
unborn merlin
unborn merlin
#

Bruh Abaddon sounds like he just got a root canal.

#

I’m sticking with it because I do enjoy the book and also feel like I’m having an out of body experience while listening to it.

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It’s just fucking bizarre.

digital saffron
#

The Best kind

drowsy urchin
#

Yeah the narrator wasn't the best but I thought he did Abaddon pretty well still

unborn merlin
#

Going from Keeble in Black Legion to Fall of Cadia Abaddon is night and day.

#

It’s just bad Sitgryn

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I could see it working for a decaying Death Guard but it sounds way too sluggish for someone who’s supposed to be a charismatic Warmaster.

drowsy urchin
#

Felt similar with Trazyn going to John Banks in Fabius Bile from Reed in The Infinite and The Divine

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John Banks is a very middling narrator over all

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Hoped to hear Richard Reed again in The Fall of Cadia but alas

unborn merlin
#

See I actually really like Banks. Think he does Night Lords pretty well too. Issue with Trazyn in audiobooks is that Reed is the only narrator who does necrons with a more Egyptian adjacent accent.

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It’s super good and different compared to “normal British man”.

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I think Banks does Trazyn just as well as anyone else.

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Reed is just the GOAT.

drowsy urchin
#

Banks can do character voices very well but his 'normal' voice and the voice he usually does for the main characters is just awful to me

unborn merlin
#

Trazyn in Fall of Cadia is actually god awful.

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I thought about the nerd meme when he started talking.

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It’s so nasally it borders on parody.

drowsy urchin
#

Yeah not great

glass sparrow
#

Banks when he does Dark Eldar or Nightlords is solid

#

It's when he's doing loyalist marines that he's super mid, since It is really hard to differentiate between his Marine voices

drowsy urchin
#

yeah exactly

unborn merlin
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Understandable

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Feel the same way about Keeble but it doesn’t help that he narrates like half of the Heresy so maybe I just got tired of hearing him so much.

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He’s also inconsistent with characters a lot of the time.

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Like he’ll voice the same character through a series but will still manage to make them sound completely different each book which takes me out of the story sometimes.

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Besides that small complaint he’s a great narrator.

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His White Scars voice still absolutely sucks tho lol.

tall phoenix
#

Same vibes

unborn merlin
tall phoenix
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LMAO NOOOO

unborn merlin
#

I’m always in stitches when he gives just about every Salamander a bad Jamaican accent.

tall phoenix
#

GOD

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THEY ARENT ALL BLACK PEOPLE YOU FUCKING MORONS

unborn merlin
#

Just silly GW shenanigans.

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Kinda missed when the early Heresy books experimented with American-esque accents.

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Wish they experimented more with that.

frigid osprey
#

its weird that an audiobook can turn a brilliant book into something stupid

unborn merlin
#

lol literally

tall phoenix
#

It goes to show yeah lmao

severe trail
unborn merlin
unborn merlin
#

Was thinking of picking up Lukas The Trickster after I finish Fall of Cadia.

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Does it have a similar vibe like the Bile Trilogy?

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Seen people describe it as one of the best SW books written by someone who doesn’t like the SW.

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I just know Lukas is a goofy silly guy and a big chunk of the book is about the Dark Eldar.

frigid osprey
#

was Lukas also written by Josh Reynolds?

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so itll probably be poggers, ive not read it

unborn merlin
#

That’s what I assumed.

tall phoenix
#

As for the vibes its very much suppose to be a Gory Goofy Adventure, the author does a great job making sure you have fun while not showing neither the Dark Eldar or the Space Wolves as clowns, Lukas is almost a very self-aware character too and is very interesting to follow/see his exploits through how he sees the Chapter he serves while being the wildcard type.

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Theres honestly nothing needlessly dark or boring about the novel either its almost like Assassinorum: Kingmaker in a way vibe-wise, its probably one of my fav BL books for that reason.

digital saffron
#

Rare dilara marine praise

tall phoenix
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^ lol

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He is VERY much above more generic MUH DUTY AND HONOR type Astartes you read about.

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Lukas is more "Lmao I'm gonna put some hair-eating frostlice on my company Captain's beard."

digital saffron
#

He's space wolf Loki

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Also the Jackalwolf is a cool title

tall phoenix
#

Yeah hes probably one of the most unique Space Marine characters in the setting.

#

Literally every Astartes characters we got a book about is some boring noble schmuck lol

unborn merlin
#

I’ll add it to the list. Sounds like a good time.

digital saffron
tall phoenix
tall phoenix
unborn merlin
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Space Wolves are a fave of mine and the Bile trilogy is peak so I’m sure I’ll enjoy it.

tall phoenix
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Yeah it doesn't have any too serious aspects like Bile where he spends a majority of the trilogy just going "Woe is me", Lukas has a little moment like that in the opening chapters in the Fang and thats about it before the Dark Eldar incursion starts and he heads off to deal with it, its super fun

unborn merlin
#

Sometimes you just need a little goofiness in your life.

tall phoenix
#

Its very funny how little of these books you get in general tbh

unborn merlin
#

I’m sure there’s a mandate by GW to make everything as digestible to a general audience.

digital saffron
#

Probably not a mandate

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It's just safe

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The average space marine fan doesn't have immense standards

tall phoenix
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LOL

#

too true

unborn merlin
#

So true 😔

uneven crane
unborn merlin
wise yew
#

Dark eldar are quite ballsy huh

hearty niche
#

How are the non William King Gotrizz and Feetlicks books?

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Everything beyond giant slayer

tall phoenix
#

Every Gotrek and Felix book is pretty good its more just down to what/which you want to read really.

mellow knot
#

I had a Lukas pitch that I never finished where he was basically on a grand theft Stormraven spree and it all got a bit Mahoney from Police Academy.

tall phoenix
#

what was the general plot going to b about?

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Lukas has only had like what 2 books in 20+ years so I'm very curious

digital saffron
#

Love police academy

tall phoenix
#

Police Academy is DA GOAT

mellow knot
#

I shall see if I can find it 🙂

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Hahahaha

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Oh man

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The last line

#

The story ends with Lukas drawing up the design for the stasis bomb he eventually has embedded in his chest. And probably getting shouted at quite a lot. I mean, you would, wouldn't you?

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Those were the days

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I always enjoy early pitch drafts when I just stream of consciousness all over the page

tall phoenix
#

How do those work exactly?

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Do you just propose ideas non-stop until BL allows one story idea through?

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because that sounds very frustrating lmao

unkempt wren
#

If have lots of idea then it less frus-trat-ing yes?

mellow knot
#

Not so sure how it works now, but at the time, yeah it was more or less that if you weren’t invited to pitch something specific

unborn merlin
#

Half way through Fall of Cadia and enjoying it a lot (narration is laughably terrible but Rath’s writing really shines through).

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Reminds me a lot of the anthology book Tallarn which I also liked but really fell off after the third story for me personally.

tall phoenix
#

Rath definitely went wild with this book

#

theres so many interesting POVs

unborn merlin
#

The Cadian XXIV plot line with the guardsmen in the mountains is definitely a highlight.

#

Creed is also an absolute baller.

tall phoenix
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Oh man you just wait

#

the XXIV plotline gets fucking good the more they get rushed lol

unborn merlin
#

Got to the calvary charge part so looking forward to it.

#

XXIV in the war!

tall phoenix
#

also yeah this book EXTREMELY humanises Creed

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he literally is fed up with everyone, theres no heroics, hes depressed and tired lmao

#

the opening is a great example of it "Bitch you really think I'm gonna throw a coup? Last thing I want is leading an entire planet even as a Lord Castellan"

unborn merlin
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Everybody loves a girl boss.

#

Creed is such a fun character.

tall phoenix
#

I do like that hes basically Churchill in this

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down to constant cigar smoking and whiskey drinking

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fits since thats his entire inspiration lol

digital saffron
#

i can't wait for him to write his romance novel

drowsy urchin
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twenty four.. in the wour...

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as much as you didn't like the narrator for the book he did a good job with the guard characters

unborn merlin
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Oh yeah, like I said the book is phenomenal.

#

It only took me like six hours to just tolerate the narrator and even then some scenes that should hold a lot of weight just don’t because every character either sounds constipated or have a sinus infection.

#

I felt similarly about the original narrator for A Thousand Sons. Love that book but couldn’t take the Trump voice they gave Magnus seriously.

drowsy urchin
#

oh yeah that's the worst narration in any book I've listened to

unborn merlin
#

I’m now a Elstob hater tho. Can’t imagine how his Ahriman sounds…

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The way the dude says “Cadia Stands” holds as much weight as a wet noodle.

#

I’m almost done with it tho…just six more hours of constipated guardsmen and every female character sounding like old men…

tall phoenix
#

Guys voicing female characters moment

unborn merlin
#

Some definitely do it better than others.

unborn merlin
#

Just learned something.

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||Just found out that Meduson dies in some Salamanders book unceremoniously…Iron Hands enjoyers can’t catch a break. I was wondering what happened after the Meduson anthology. This blows man.||

hybrid turtle
#

Reading Desert Raiders and the tyranids are terrifying

#

i love it

unborn merlin
#

Heard a lot of good things about that book.

#

Hopefully I can eventually get around to it.

unborn merlin
#

God damn just finished Fall of Cadia.

#

Makes me want to paint the Cadian guardsmen I never got around to finishing last year. Might as well. For this is not a foxhole, it is a grave.

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Book got me choking up at the end.

glass sparrow
digital saffron
#

You get jaded when you spend enough time interacting with the fandom

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Like I can still enjoy most marine content for what it is, since I also like mediocre slop KEKW_ogryn

glass sparrow
#

god that just makes me think about the main character from Brotherhood of the Snakes and his journey from standard marine to Sargent. Only for him to return in one of the sabbat crusade books as this watered down bland copy of himself.

digital saffron
marsh delta
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Does anyone have a book title that mostly focus on the Tau gue'vesa perspective?

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Or a book concerning chaos cultist that's mostly told through their lenses?

tall phoenix
tall phoenix
digital saffron
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Brougt to you by Dilarapedia

tall phoenix
marsh delta
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Thankies, Dil

tall phoenix
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np np

glass sparrow
digital saffron
glass sparrow
digital saffron
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In darktide 40k-lore-chat, lore writes you

royal egret
glass sparrow
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what, you mean the lexicon doesn't repeat the same sentence at least 4-12 times in a paragraph or a page?

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shocking

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a gasp of surprise even

royal egret
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Never forget when the Felinid page had more on it than half the primarchs

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One of their mods had an uh

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Interest

glass sparrow
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...

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man, if only Iron Hands were shown that much love during the Horus Heresy and Ferrus Manus had idk... a book or two before the dropsite massacre

digital saffron
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One of the space marine vehicles having the same paragraph copy pasted 3 times on fandom stare

glass sparrow
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yeah and a khorne or world eater related page had the same phase about blood repeated 3-4 times in the same paragraph

unborn merlin
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Take a shot every time you see the word gestalt in a HH book.

tall phoenix
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LMAO

unborn merlin
dry flicker
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To my fellow siege of terra enjoyers

paper maple
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Me trying to read through the Siege of Terra:

unborn merlin
tall phoenix
paper maple
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I couldnt make it past First Wall from how boring it was, how bad does it even get.

tall phoenix
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Its not bad its just very mediocre for the most part.

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Literally the most basic events get stretched across like 400 pages and by the end you are left with "What that was it?" since they milked the shit out of the entire thing KEKW_ogryn

paper maple
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Yeah I guessed as much lol

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I also just dont find myself caring about the loyalists at all which is ironic coming from me, its just entirely "Good Guys vs Bad Guys" which just puts me to sleep

tall phoenix
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It gets a lot worse as the series progresses where the traitor legions basically turn into a horde of Minecraft zombies with no personality, by the final book literally the only legions you'll see are Word Bearers, Sons of Horus and World Eaters as faceless NPCs while your heroic loyalists cut through them like its Vermintide

paper maple
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Lmaooooo

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yeah ill just go read the lexi instead of that shit, thanks

tall phoenix
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Basically yeah. It has cool bits but its not generally worth going through it when they are so few and far between.

And the shit of "Loyalist kills traitor and says one-liner" nonsense redditors wojak-point at gets very boring too

paper maple
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Thats a shame but I guess its basically what you get when you stretch an event this basic to this point, the fact that the ending novel has 3 VOLUMES kinda goes to show it

tall phoenix
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Can confirm the End and the Death was probably one of the MOST miserable reading experiences I had in awhile. Abnett genuinely went full George Lucas and it was fucking dreadful

paper maple
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Lucas in what way exactly? 😂

tall phoenix
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The Prequel Lucas where he literally just adds shit upon shit that adds nothing to the plot aside from filler and literally nobody ever tells him to stop since well hes Dan Abnett lol, his editor was Nick Kyme which genuinely explains everything

paper maple
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NOOOOOOOO REALLY HIM? KYME!?

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What the fuck is he even doing in that position, hate that twat after what he did t othe salamander novels

tall phoenix
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Hes the head editor in Black Library, Abnett includes him in the aftermath of the final novel and saying his instructions to Dan were "Just write as much as you want, don't worry about the wordcount."

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💀

paper maple
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💀

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peak bruh moment

tall phoenix
royal egret
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SoT has very high highs and very low lows for me

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But the last books worked great for me, EatD definitely could have been two or one book but I still enjoyed a lot of it

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Mortis was the last book in the series I didn’t like

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Saturnine, Warhawk, Echoes all were great imo

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Solar War I enjoyed a lot too, even if I wish we got more of the void stuff

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First Wall and Lost and the Damned I definitely thought dragged a lot

tall phoenix
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This is pretty much the perfect breakdown yeah, its 60% slop with 40% good stuff here and there

royal egret
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Saturnine was the best I think

tall phoenix
royal egret
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I do appreciate that they clearly picked their better authors for the later books

tall phoenix
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they definitely knew lmao

royal egret
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Yeah

tall phoenix
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because man the opening books are just oof

royal egret
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The novellas aren’t must reads but I enjoyed them too

tall phoenix
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they were alright

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I still find it hilarious when people ask "What happened to Garou" and im like

royal egret
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Fury of Magnus was probably the most important one. I liked Sons of Selenar for obvious reasons

tall phoenix
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"Gotta read the novella for that one"

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"the what"

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"the novella"

royal egret
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Garros definitely felt like it could have happened in a book

tall phoenix
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Yeah because literally again nothing really happens

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He fights Morty

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Generic Star Wars father/son dialogue

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He gets stabbed, Morty also gets stabbed

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Ded

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⚰️

unborn merlin
unborn merlin
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Anyone have strong opinions on this series?

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It’s $5 on Audible and narrated by my boy Toby Longworth.

tall phoenix
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Its fine/okay.

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if its literally cheaper than a bag of ships its worth a listen

digital saffron
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Red Corsair content requires

unborn merlin
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Definitely cheaper than a bag of most chips nowadays. I’ll add it to the list.

royal egret
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Fewer calories too

unborn merlin
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In retrospect that’s a pretty depressing thought.

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Not the fewer calories. That’s just a plus.

mellow knot
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Mmm

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Chips

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I haven’t had a bag of chips in ages

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(Although U.K. vs US chips is different ofc)

grim ravine
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hey everyone i just got done with horus rising so i wa wondering what my next book should be

tall phoenix
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I highly recommend going through Arbitrator Ian's video and judging for yourself in which books you might want to read/skip since everyones tastes differs a lot

unborn merlin
unborn merlin
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Personally my favorite HH novel is Damnation of Pythos /s

tall phoenix
unborn merlin
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You’re gonna make all ten of us incredibly depressed.

tall phoenix
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We must rally them all and jettison them out of an airlock

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they must be eradicated for the good of the book reading fans

unborn merlin
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I dig the men with the hands of iron and dinosaurs. It’s good schlock.

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DAMNATION OF PYTHOS FOR ONE HUNDRED YEARS DILARA!

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tall phoenix
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AAAA-

unborn merlin
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You’ll be begging for ten more Damnation of Pythos when we inevitably get the forty book long Iron Cage series.

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Then I’ll be vindicated.

tall phoenix
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Worst part is that is very likely to happen

unborn merlin
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Nobody can stop GW…

wide mica
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The books peaked at The Iron and The Cage Volume 9

drowsy urchin
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I hope they do it only so that Dilara has to hate read it all

unborn merlin
tall phoenix
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I only read the End and the Shit because it had the most pivotal moments in all of 40k, Iron Shitcage is just two man-baby legions fighting each other

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a competitive-hater like me knows these things

drowsy urchin
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imagine being a hater, couldnt be me

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I ain't spending energy on HATING

wide mica
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I hope it makes Dorn look like a complete goober so that all the Imperial Fist fans who say "He didn't mess up at the Cage, it was his plan for all of his legion to get slaughtered" end up malding over it

unborn merlin
wide mica
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Not because I particularly dislike Dorn, I just think it's the dumbest excuse, like it doesn't matter if it was his intentional plan, it's still a stupid fucking plan.

unborn merlin
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To be fair, Dorn and his sons are mega stubborn to a fault.

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Dude wanted payback but paid the price.

wide mica
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No that makes sense, that's the standard explanation, Dorn and his sons were looking for revenge so the Iron Warriors managed to bait them into a trap and due to their stubbornness they lost like 90% of their legion by refusing to pull out.

My issue is Imperial Fists counter that argument by saying that they weren't lured into a trap, Dorn knew it was a trap and deliberately sent his sons into it because he wanted to kill off as much of his legion as possible.

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As if that is any better than just falling for a trap

tall phoenix
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because both Dorn/IF and their fanbase is stupid

unborn merlin
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Copium is one hell of a drug.

tall phoenix
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about as braindead as World Eater fans

drowsy urchin
unborn merlin
tall phoenix
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"No you see Angron was right to force his legion to lobotimize themselves"

drowsy urchin
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you should've said Angron fans not World Eater fans then smh

tall phoenix
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never

drowsy urchin
tall phoenix
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AA-

drowsy urchin
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Get world eateded

unborn merlin
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Sometimes you just have to accept stupid lore logic. Take Russ for example, love the guy. Absolute chad. What reason was there for him to fight Horus on his flagship instead of protecting Terra?

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Dude gets bodied in the fight by chaos juiced Horus and his legion is straight up removed from the conflict.

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Reason why it happens in Wolfsbane is because we need an excuse for Russ not to be on Terra during the siege and the blow to Horus is only really pays off in one book but he just gets better.

wide mica
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I just wish people could accept that their favourite Primarch can make mistakes

unborn merlin
wide mica
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Instead of coming up with daft lore reasons for why it wasn't actually a mistake

iron ore
tall phoenix
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Absolutely lore accurate

iron ore
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The battle of the smelly cage

wicked tree
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No rivalry between SM Chuds is more toxic

tall phoenix
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more toxic than the surface of fucking Barbarus

wicked tree
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Easily

unborn merlin
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Chud on chud violence.

iron ore
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Iron warriors and imperial fists players trying to psychically destroy each other's brains with incel rage

lethal valley
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Listening to iron kingdom, how did a couple of armigers instakill a custodes

digital saffron
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Wym

lethal valley
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TT sure, but in canon? They just walked forward and shot him while he wasn't even in active combat

digital saffron
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Big guns tend to kill you

lethal valley
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Yes but I mean how does a custodes not notice a couple of armigers sauntering towards him when he's only battling a few humans

digital saffron
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Hubris?

tall phoenix
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Individual custodians are also not Raiden from MGR

lethal valley
# digital saffron Hubris?

So he didn't notice the big slow robots inside the banquet hall, I'm not saying he should win, just that he shouldn't get instakilled by the couple of humans stepping back, 2 armiger stepping forward, and shooting them while he stands slackened as a agriworld bumpkin

tall phoenix
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He was distracted

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it happens

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and again Custodians are not gods, they die to a lot of things in novels.

lethal valley
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I know, but it's just infuriating how easily they go down sometimes.

tall phoenix
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Welcome to 40k

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now imagine how other factions feel when their elite units die like chumps

wide mica
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Also Armigers aren't really that slow, they're faster/more mobile than Dreadnoughts

lethal valley
tall phoenix
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Custodes are also shown to make mistakes.

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Its why the Eyes of the Emperor exists

wide mica
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Plus if it's a Warglaive with a Thermal Spear, those weapons are designed to be able to melt a reinforced bunker, you shoot a Custodes with that and doesn't matter how fast he is, he's gonna be soup.

tall phoenix
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Mining lasers have also been shown to decapitate a Custodes too

wide mica
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Like sure you might be an artisanal designed genetically tailored super soldier, doesn't stop you dieing when you're shot with a big gun.

tall phoenix
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Also if it helps this book is written by Nick Kyme

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an absolute dogshit hack

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im not saying he should be publicly executed with flamers but-

drowsy urchin
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mean

tall phoenix
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Hes a piece of shit

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literally the only BL author i truly hate lmao

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Gav is second but at least hes a human being

wide mica
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Unfortunately Nick Kymes also has sub microsecond reaction times, so he would simply dodge the flames. sad

tall phoenix
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BRUH

lethal valley
tall phoenix
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Cato has gotten better

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the TTS memes really did not help his reputation lol

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but theres a difference between that and an author singlehandedly ruining the reputation of a famous Chapter aka in this case Salamanders.

I have not met a single Sally fan in the last 12 years that likes Kyme lol

digital saffron
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His Cato content is apparently among the more tolerable of his writings from what I'm told KEKW_ogryn

lethal valley
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Nick kyme seems to be a marines malevolent enjoyer, if that's not a red flag for the CHIEF EDITOR of the black library, I don't know what is

digital saffron
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Wym

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He puts them in, they're horrible assholes, they die unceremoniously

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I'm pretty sure that's the opposite of a fan

tall phoenix
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yeah them dying in this is probably one of the most hilarious parts of the book

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lmao

unkempt wren
tall phoenix
unkempt wren
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Also how bland?

wise yew
unkempt wren
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Can ulgo get exemple?

hearty niche
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What are these omnibus books and what’s their deal?

tall phoenix
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its a collection of multiple same subject books in a single folder

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Like lets say Ahriman gets 4 books? They are made into a massive omnibus that combines all of them

severe trail
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Kyme just can’t do anything but write chapter stereotypes really

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Imo

tall phoenix
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Pretty much

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hes a hackfraud

lethal valley
unkempt wren
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Dont like him. Book made to be read yes? Let writer write!

royal egret
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This shtick isn’t as amusing as you think it is

fiery token
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Do not listen to him ^

lethal valley
unborn merlin
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I wish I had a fraction of optimism and joy for DarkTide as Ulgo.

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Dude is living his best life.

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Once Ulgo is gone from our lives that’s when you know the game is truly dead.

proud haven
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I am so excited

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hybrid turtle
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never really looked into the krieg korps, what is their like unique traits

tall phoenix
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Faceless dehumanized guardsman that just want to die for something that helps them repent for the actions of their homeworld's past (aka wanting to break away from the Imperium) lol

severe trail
unborn merlin
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I didn’t really care for the last Krieg book.

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A Krieg book can definitely work but I just don’t like Steve Lyons.

tall phoenix
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hilarious because he is the only one that writes for Krieg lmao

digital saffron
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"Wow what are they going to do this time!!?"
Cut to mound of butchered Death Korps bodies

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"What a shit book!"

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Calling it

sinful python
tall phoenix
digital saffron
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Yeah the loyalists were losing the war

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So their commander dumped the nuclear stockpile into the planet

glass sparrow
tall phoenix
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Yeah he basically may as well have never made it to Terra ngl

glass sparrow
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At least... Atleast let him fucking fight Typhus and or die ensuring the Khan is able to be transported out to be medevac'd

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Heck Have him fighting to defend the Astranomicon with Sigismund and die there

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actually... having him die guarding the entrance would have been a good point.

tall phoenix
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Yeah but what about all the other useless side characters we can focus on instead

glass sparrow
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my thoughts did stray to that one guardsman who was protecting the child

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and I thought "so did he make it, or did they get dusted as well?"

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... How sad is it that we'll probably see the Scouring series of books written and another Primarch or two are returned to the current setting before George R. R. Martin finishes the next GoT book

tall phoenix
glass sparrow
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uhhh... I think. I'll be honest kind of memory holed a few names since I listen to the books whilst I work.

tall phoenix
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LMAO

glass sparrow
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yeah... I have been kind of on a Siege purge by just listening to the Ragnar Blackmane series of books for a second time and I'll probably go and begin my re listen to the Gaunt's Ghost series and or find another good book that was released recently from BL on Audible and do that instead.

unborn merlin
hearty niche
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After reading a bunch of the Gotrek and Felix books makes the immortal empire trailer of them staring down Skarbrand and two bloodthristers go so fucking hard

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Rip skarbrand though, he had a good run lol

lean citrus
proud haven
lean citrus
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Keeping it on radar

muted mesa
tall phoenix
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they aren't german lol

timid cove
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I live! What is everyone reading? 👀

digital saffron
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Rare aqshy spotting

timid cove
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Haha, I was out of the server for the past year so I didn't get pinged on an IP I didn't work on, but since my last day at FS was yesterday (well technically today since my account access gets removed tomorrow), I can be in here more often now ❤️

severe trail
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I'm reading Once A Killer

iron ore
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Added some more shit to my office’s book pile

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unborn merlin
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I’ve been enjoying Faith & Fire.

timid cove
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I picked some stuff up last time I was in Sweden, so need to go and see what it is again.

wide mica
iron ore