40k-book-club

[random marlin]

I also remember the planetary governor not being an absolute idiot which was a refreshing change to the way this type of character is usually written.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah i agree

i just dont care about 40k novels trying to be dark at times which i guess is just me being uncaring about it most of the time.

[random marlin]

I think it depends of the way it's done. If it's earned, it's ok, otherwise it feels kind of cheap. For instance, with the Pariah serie on Warhammer+, the grimdark aspect of the ending felt cheap to me. Being grimdark at all cost doesn't really mean anything if you didn't have the time or the opportunity to get attached to the characters.

I watched it with my girlfriend who is slowly getting into the 40k universe and she simply said "Well... what was the point of it all?" and I kinda agreed with her. Grimdarkness (is that even a word) isn't much without good characterization.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah Pariah Nexus in general was also just "We got a good animation team but its expensive to make these, just make 3 episodes and call it a day"

the entire thing basically has no plot

[digital saffron]

But man! 40k can't lose its GRimdArK!!!!1!(I am kidding just in case )

[jade plover]

guys i got a question , i am kinda new in general to lore of WH , from which books to start ?

[tall phoenix]

We got some in the pins take a look there

[tribal ridge]

YOOO THIS IS 🔥🔥🔥

[jade plover]

oh thanks 🙂

[tall phoenix]

[minor oasis]

i was today years old when i learned that Ciaphas Cain is a hard C not a soft C and it is also not pronounced the way it looks

[tall phoenix]

yeah its spelled like Kayafas lol

[minor oasis]

the ia blend does not make a long i sound in my head

[tall phoenix]

[drowsy urchin]

imagine if all languages were based and everything was always pronounced the way it is written

world would be a better place

[tall phoenix]

[smoky bronze]

I dunno why you'd name someone a name like that for a purely visual medium

Guarantees no one will ever say it right

Oh its not even a real name afaict

[drowsy urchin]

I defaulted to the correct way of pronouncing before listening the audiobooks

soft C doesn't make sense to my head

[smoky bronze]

They took the biblical name Caiaphas and then took out a vowel

Without changing how it was pronounced

[smoky bronze]

Same first syllable as Simon

[minor oasis]

i thought it was pronounced like "see-uh-fuss"

[drowsy urchin]

Yeah but that's not Cimon

like I know how it would be pronounced with a soft C but doesn't sound right to my head, I should have said

[minor oasis]

i think it's more of a me issue, nothing sounds right in my head

[drowsy urchin]

[tribal ridge]

😎 i have the pdf but wanted it physical

[jaunty stratus]

In like 90% of the cases. The C is pronounced like in "cases". It's method I ran quite well so far. It also helps to know that the c in Latin is actually not pronounced like in the Cesar's Salad kind of way, but rather like a K like in Kaiser or king lol

Back to the dead language cave with me.
Happy new year, yall

[iron ore]

Best chaos space marines book that’s not Horus heresy or Night Lords trilogy? Looking to change things up a bit

[digital saffron]

I've heard good things about the Black Legion books

Iirc lords of silence is good

[orchid herald]

would try and get the Sabbat world crusade Book Blue/Purple Case. is surpior then then that one as it also Covers the more Recent Ghost actvities. owning both one is more noticeable in it content then they other

[shrewd silo]

I enjoyed storm of iron and lords of silence.

I'm kinda over death guard at this point

There's only so many words to describe a death guard marine or demon of nurgle.

https://youtu.be/91t5waPUNbs?si=d6Okkg-gOvVrGUg_

[hearty niche]

recommend me more sororitas books 👀

[tall phoenix]

Which ones have you read

[hearty niche]

i wanna say "all of them" but i dont know how many there are

i havent read the celestine one yet. is that good?

[tall phoenix]

Its pretty alright, serves as a backstory piece to her character

I hope you like other realm'ly limbo sequences!

[hearty niche]

can you give it to me as a pdf or would that be illegal to ask here quite so publicly 👀

[tall phoenix]

Yeah pirating is against the rules here lmao

[hearty niche]

but? 🌚

[tall phoenix]

[wet holly]

Just pay them for their work...

[hearty niche]

i am 5k, possibly 7.5k in debt depending on if and how much the feds will fine me this week 💯

the emperor will provide.

i´m honestly so glad i have warhammer in my life, i've been/am going through some VERY serious stuff and these stories help me a lot somehow. the planet broke before the girl did.

[wet holly]

Honestly in that case we're glaf to have you.
Hooefully someone can cough "not" give you some pdfs per dms.
Do stay strong & safe.
The Emperor will provide ♡

[outer crag]

i think the emperor loses

[calm flame]

Just finished the “vaults of terra” series. Awesome

I hope this is not the last of inquisitor Crowl and interrogator Spinoza.

[tall phoenix]

||BRO THEY ARE FUCKING DEAD||

[severe trail]

||them not being dead would be a huge ass pull||

[tall phoenix]

Also overall the entire 3rd novel was just weirdly mediocre

[severe trail]

Shame tbh

[tall phoenix]

Yeah i agree, like

the first half of the book is good then it just goes off the rails and literally ends on the most random and pointless 3rd act ever

[severe trail]

Felt like it needed another book tbh

Or like

[tall phoenix]

^

[severe trail]

More time in the oven

[tall phoenix]

it felt REALLY rushed

[severe trail]

One or the other

[tall phoenix]

like

Crowl is turning into a dark eldar!

We gotta go to commorragh!

The dark eldar are making a golden throne!

ALSO INQUISITOR, WANNA TALK ABOUT BACH?

[severe trail]

Ngl far from the worst thing that could happen to you

Absolutely fucking sucks

But could be like 10x worse lol

[tall phoenix]

Lmao true

the Bach part was where i was losing it ngl

40 thousand years into the future and people still listen to these tunes 💀

[wet holly]

https://tenor.com/view/music-christian-bale-american-psycho-yeah-gif-12803889

[drowsy urchin]

I bet people would be listening some unga bunga bangers still if they'd have access to it

[hearty niche]

OOGA CHAKA OOGA CHAKA OOGA CHAKA

[tall phoenix]

[drowsy urchin]

Quite so

[forest spruce]

I didnt really like the plot point of crowl turning into a dark elder. Idk it felt a little off to me

[tall phoenix]

It definitely was fucking random lol

HE WAS LITERALLY MORBING

[tribal ridge]

Looking forward to the Bequin novels with what I know about the king in yellow

[iron ore]

It could be 100,000 years from now and nothing can stop me from listening to limp bizkit and creed

I get it

[tall phoenix]

💀

STOP

[jaunty stratus]

I'd rather, we keep rollin'

[calm flame]

In the end it was clear ||that Gorgias made it out of the Webway, it was purposefully ambiguous if Spinoza was stopped or made it, she THOUGHT she was done for, she had pain in her leg, it did not state as it did with Zijes that she was properly speared by a Capture hook. If Crowl was turning into a DE then he may also be alive, The Pain Sustains baby||

I think we are going to see more of this story line, maybe 20-30 years from now. For sure..

My take away was not that Crowl ||was turning into a DE, but that his blood was poisoned and along the same trope as the Space Marine cellular knowledge, he gained access to some insight into the Archons thinking. That he lied, that he was hiding something, etc, but it was more sense memory than anything else.|| Pretty common tropes in WH.

I liked Crowls Character. I liked what he stood for, I liked that he was consistent. I appreciated the development of the relationship between Crowl and Spinoza. I apprecaited the insight into Terran politics. I apprecaited the contrast between those that believed in the Imperial message and those jaded by the realities of the setting and Spinozas coming of age story in it. I think it would be a shame, indeed I think the writer all but said this if you read between the lines of dialogue, that Spinoza has a lot of promise in this story line.

I like to share what I like about books and not drag them too hard. This IP has plenty of faults and we can be pretty nasty critics. If you have a novel you really like and think the author did a much better job, please share that! I would appreciate it.

[tall phoenix]

Xuld

||I think its time to accept that they are dead||

I'm sorry

[calm flame]

Its a fictional setting, these are not my friends. I think I will be ok either way. If you have something interesting to add, I am all ears.

[tall phoenix]

No I'm just joking around lol

either way though they are small players in the general setting, genuinely doubt they'll be coming back.

40k always sets up interesting characters in these novels and does nothing with them afterwards.

[calm flame]

There is a lot of that

I know there is a new Pariah novel coming out, any knowledge of anything continuing or starting a new Inquistor series? Reading Eisenhorn and Ravenor was what lead me to Crowl.

Spinoza is just such a unique character that I actually think they will bring her back. I mean a female inquisitor with a power crozious given to her by space marines pretty cool anyway there’s lots of cool characters in this universe. Nothing is guaranteed in the way GW works they could intend to do it, and still never do it.

[mellow knot]

Yes, please!

[wintry blade]

Are there any good harlequin books? They seem more interesting than regular Eldar

[tall phoenix]

There's like... 2 lol

The only prominent one is The Masque of the Vyle from the mid 2000's and that's kind of it.

The issue with Harlies is the majority of the time they are always supporting characters to other Eldar or sometimes humans as a foil in things like the Fabius Bile Trilogy

[elder elbow]

I just saw some post that said. “The title of the book you last read is gonna be how your year goes”

Guess I’m going to Krieg boys. See ya

[fading shore]

Apparently im going Ravenor mode? I'm going to psionically beast on everyone? Or I'm going to lose all my limbs? impossible to say... 🤔

[iron ore]

These book covers they did for like 5-10ish books in this art style always felt very surreal to me

uncanny valley

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its in an extrremely realistic style lol

[brittle tapir]

i love the early 2000's 3d renders of the first horus heresy books

[tall phoenix]

that guy still does them

talk about a long career lol

[iron ore]

Neil Roberts's art does go hard af

also, what Book(s) continue the story of Nathaniel Garro after Flight of the eisenstein?

[tall phoenix]

And finally

[iron ore]

Jesus Christ is there an anthology

[tall phoenix]

Garro got milked hard lol

at leas he fucking dies at the end of Knight of Grey

Le Massive Spoilers im sure

[iron ore]

NOO MY HECKIN GARRORINO

[tall phoenix]

My favorite part was when Mortarion went

"THERE'S NO FLAVOUR, WITHOUT FARTS."

[hearty niche]

Any books about the emperor that actually write him well? I’ve kinda only heard bad things so far

Aside from the last church already read that one

[rocky ore]

not that i know off. maybe the latest Horus Heresy books'.

Big E should front and center.

[shrewd silo]

Only read flight of the E and he was great in that.
Did they realise he sells well so he's in everything now?

[rocky ore]

wrong big E i think

[tribal ermine]

Anyone a fan of the horror anthologies? Started reading them during the pandemic and haven't skipped a single one. They are so depressing

[drowsy urchin]

Listened a few, they're pretty decent

[unborn merlin]

Kinda late but the anthology Garro includes Vow of Faith and Oath of Moment btw. It has some good stories in it.

[iron ore]

Thank you!

[unborn merlin]

[tribal ridge]

New book!

Getting the Sabbat world's one later

[tall phoenix]

Damn thats an oldie

good choice though

[orchid herald]

it a very good read.

[fading shore]

I read the eisenhorn trilogy, read Ravenor book 1 now halfway book 2

pretty good, but man are these guys kinda dogshit detectives lol

All they do is: ||1) ignore obvious traitor|| ||2) "cant call for backup we don't want to spook them"|| ||3) get ambushed and be forced to rebuild their whole team||

[tall phoenix]

Its very much a case of "gotta do it because plot" lmao

the team-rebuilding especially is not a big secret since both Eisenhorn and Ravenor are not the best leaders lol

[slow pilot]

why is there a queue on the site

i wanted to see if there were any new books and there is a 11 minute wait

[wintry blade]

As someone who loves orks, are the Yarrick books any good?

[severe trail]

There was a preorder up today for something most likely

[tall rover]

The chin on that man…

[tall phoenix]

They are a good cup of the early mid 2000's 40k novels and pretty "cozy" to read id say, I wouldn't call them stellar writing but they give a great sense to Armageddon and the whole conflict between the orks while characterising Yarrick to a T.

Recommend getting this one, includes 3 Novels and 6 Short Stories.

[hardy forge]

I’ve read the Yarrick bools recently, and while the lore is good, i’d say that over the 200 or so Black Library books i’ve read, the writing is poor enough to put them in the bottom 10.

A much better look at Armageddon can be gotten from Armageddon by Aaron Dembski Bowden IMO. If you’re a hardcore geddon or ork wary fan though, the Yarrick books are still readable.

[iron ore]

geddon bros

[drowsy urchin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/07/sunday-preview-the-siege-of-terra-reaches-its-climax/

it is time

[wide mica]

It's finally ending

Another week without Ushoran though

[hearty niche]

oh damn

i might actually have to read that

[wraith vigil]

I chuckled at this part of the Emperor's Gift.

'Identify yourself,’ I replied.

‘This is the Adeptus Astartes battleship In Sacred Trust, serving the Holy Ordos of the God-Emperor’s Inquisition. I repeat, identify yourself.’

Malchadiel looked at me. ‘God-Emperor?’

I took a breath. ‘Fanatics.’ Rare were the Chapters that ever considered the Emperor a god. Such belief was for the deluded masses we were sworn to protect. ‘This is the Grey Knights frigate Karabela, returning to the armada as ordered.’

[drowsy urchin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/08/the-end-and-the-death-volume-iii-an-interview-with-dan-abnett/

[tall phoenix]

the sooner this shitshow is over the better

[drowsy urchin]

[tall phoenix]

[drowsy urchin]

I hope Dan takes a shit the size of the three physical limited edition books on your porch

||/s just to be sure||

[tall phoenix]

AAAA

[unborn merlin]

So finally starting the SOT series after finishing more than 75% of the HH novels…gotta say, first book in the Siege has been kinda mid so far.

[tall phoenix]

Welcome to the reality of the situation

wait until you get to the End and the Death

[drowsy urchin]

that shit rules

[tall phoenix]

GET IT OUT OF MY HEAD

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-reaction-information-my-reaction-to-that-information-my-honest-reaction-to-that-information-gif-613275461876515673

[tall phoenix]

Yeah im gonna say it now, this entire series is just padding filled with "Oh hey that was cool" moments.

[drowsy urchin]

granted solar war is a bit mid, but it has interesting stuff going for it

[unborn merlin]

It’s definitely over bloated.

[drowsy urchin]

it's the prelude anyways

[unborn merlin]

Yeah but so has the other 54 HH books lol.

[drowsy urchin]

Well yeah but this is kinda it's own thing so you know

but SoT is pretty much filled with bangers

there's like two a bit weaker books but the rest are great

[unborn merlin]

It’s all building up to the Big E and Horus but the series has always been inconsistent in its writing. I like John French but not feeling this one.

I’ll still read the other ones of course, already this far in.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its important to the remember the Horus Heresy started out as a story and turned into a cash cow.

[drowsy urchin]

his second book in the SoT series, Mortis is great

[tall phoenix]

Its better to handpick the novels you are gonna read.

[unborn merlin]

Definitely sound advice.

[tall phoenix]

I was in your shoes once

now im jaded

so no worries

[unborn merlin]

I mean, I don’t regret reading the 40 something HH books but there was definitely some stinkers.

[drowsy urchin]

I've gone through 60+ heresy books and I'm still excited about the series 😎

there are a good few stinkers

[tall phoenix]

Shut up simp.

[drowsy urchin]

[unborn merlin]

I just avoided any Salamanders, most of the Raven Guard stuff, and the really bland anthologies.

[drowsy urchin]

that's the way

[tall phoenix]

yeah the Salamander books are DOG SHIT

[unborn merlin]

All in all I obviously liked the books enough to finish like 45 of them.

[drowsy urchin]

the two(?) Raven Guard books were pretty good though

Deliverance Lost was nice

[unborn merlin]

I heard mixed things about Deliverance.

Also not too crazy about the legion so take Uber with a pinch of salt.

[drowsy urchin]

I really did not care for Space Wolves, nor do I still, but Prospero Burns was very nice. I avoided it for like years because I only cared for the TS side of the story but after some advice I took the SW perspective as well and enjoyed it

[unborn merlin]

Was really confused by that short story Valerius and did some research into the other books.

Corax just came across as dumb to me.

I’ll probably go back to them if I ever want to get into the XIXth Legion.

[unborn merlin]

Wolfsbane was pretty good too.

[drowsy urchin]

That's true

after that I went back to Prospero Burns iirc

[unborn merlin]

I know that one gets dogged on but I enjoyed it.

People just had different expectations for the book.

Mostly more about the burning of Prospero lol.

[drowsy urchin]

yeah it takes a while to get to the burning part

[unborn merlin]

Always preferred the more character centric books so I didn’t mind.

[drowsy urchin]

ye they're often the better ones

not always!

[mellow knot]

Prospero Burns is an extraordinary book, especially if you listen to it. It's written just like a Norse saga.

[tall phoenix]

Miss Cawkwell you are a Black Library writer you are obviously biased

🫵

[drowsy urchin]

That indeed it is! I've gone through all my Warhams by audio

such an enjoyable way to do it

[gritty marten]

i saw some people talking about a book where one of the main characters was a tech priest psyker but none of them mentioned the name does anyone here know?

[iron ore]

this is cracking me up

fantastic emoji use

[tall phoenix]

I kid of course

[iron ore]

Would be great if she came back with like "Yea fuck Nick Kyme though"

I kid of course

[tall phoenix]

[iron ore]

[mellow knot]

Nope, there are plenty of books I don't like as much as others! I just happened to really enjoy PB more than I expected to.

[tall phoenix]

[iron ore]

Painting my red corsairs rn, might give the Gildar Rift another read followed by master of the maelstrom to get my huron fix

[mellow knot]

Dear Ol' Slobberchops.

And thank you for reading TGR, I appreciate you.

[hearty niche]

Is there any books exploring or talking about the lost primarchs besides just one scene or two referencing them

[iron ore]

They are just referenced

Ultramarines allegedly received the remnants of them

Space wolves or dark angels allegedly wiped them out

[wet holly]

another reason to put em on my shitlist lel

[brittle tapir]

the lost primarchs is one of the only mysteries in 40k that's straight up never involved in any plot or side plot at all. horus heresy books are the only times it's ever mentioned i believe.

literally nobody knows what happened to them both in universe and out. all the primarchs got their memories of the event wiped and the emperor is the only person who truly knows

the events are extremely overblown if you think about it. if the knowledge of what happened alone could do massive damage to the imperium then you'd think that tzeench or any other chaos entity would take full advantage of it

[fading shore]

only 40k books i've read so far is the eisenhorn trilogy, and im halfway through the ravenor trilogy now . I'm getting a big kick out of how the author really has a hard time maintaining grimdarkness of the setting in favor of making lead characters likable and relatable

right now ravenor, mr bigtime psychic, mr 40k professor x, has several team members that are hiding major plot point secrets from him. He generally pokes around his allies minds, mindchats with them, even visits their dreams. but then these two just get glossed over because 1) he didn't want to breach doctor patient confidentiality 2) he told Ravenor he doesn't like having his mind read and he prefers privacy

lmao

imperial inquisitor that changes protocol to not hurt his underling's feelings... also apparently HIPPAA exists in the 40k universe and even inquisitors fear it 😄

im bracing myself for how liberal and HR policy coded its going to get by the time I reach the Bequin trilogy

[whole meadow]

Hey Darktide, is Harrowmaster any good? I'm almost finished with Infinite And The Divine and I've been looking for another book to get

[digital saffron]

From what I'm told, yes

[sweet dawn]

Yo, question. Which book do I start with on the horus heresy ?

[digital saffron]

Horus Rising

[severe trail]

It is decent/good, its a very good book on the Alpha legion

[lavish badger]

It's not terrible, but didn't work for me. Normally I Mike Brooks. The book is solidly written, and delivers the surprises and maneuvering you would expect from the Alpha legion.

But I never really cared for the characters. The pacing feels of. Generally the book feels written backwards. Like there's this end state "Alpha legion in the Indomitus Crusade" the author wants to reach, and events and actions and scenes get strung along mainly to get there. To me it sometimed felt more like a collection of cutscenes than a story.

[orchid herald]

If you want to read a quicksih book last chancers by gav thorpe.

[narrow jasper]

is there any books abt deathwatch?

Might start a 40k army of them

[shrewd silo]

You also notice how thirsty ravanor is?
Every time he looks at a woman in his team he goes on about how curvy they are with just|| the right amount of fat.||

[fading shore]

Utterly parched. Somewhat understandable for the character's... situation

[leaden acorn]

Ravenor used to have a hot tribal swordsman lady gf

And then he got turned into a potato

[tall phoenix]

[severe trail]

[fading shore]

Who got killed the same chapter she was introduced... that's grimdark baybee

[sweet dawn]

Got it. Thanks

[leaden acorn]

She existed so eisenhorn could get a cool force sword

[fading shore]

Imagine introducing a Japanese character just so they can immediately die and the main character loots their katana lol . Eisenhorn is a Carthae weeaboo . Half of the combat scenes are him inner monologuing about Carthay sword style , even though he has never been to Carthae or trained there. 40k Mall ninja 😄

[leaden acorn]

Lol i think the sad part is thats entirely accurate

[fading shore]

Gonna picture Eisenhorn as late era Steven Seagal now

[leaden acorn]

He does inner monologue alot about how much he knows about katanas

I mean carthaen swordsmanship

[fading shore]

Absolute space weeb

[tall phoenix]

Every fight scene he has is him just walking up to people and doing bad choreography

https://tenor.com/view/steven-seagal-seagal-knife-fight-gif-18480228

[fading shore]

At least Eisenhorn gets his ass beat for the first half of every fight he's in before he wins with some bullshit move

Seagal would never 😄

[tall phoenix]

Inquisitor Seagal just gets the heretics fired if they lay a hand on him

ez pz

clearly the Emperor thinks hes worthy

[leaden acorn]

Inquisitor seagel is chorda on the chair in rt act 4

[tall phoenix]

LMAO

[fading shore]

Lol

[tall phoenix]

"They said my acting is terrible. BILLIONS MUST DIE."

[iron ore]

Oh fuck oh god it's true it hurts

Eisenhorn mentally going "now I do my epic tribal sword swing practiced 10,000 times to defeat my enemy"

slashes sword downward like any routine swing into the neck of an unarmored heretic with a .22 pistol made out of a pepsi can

dan abnett spends 25 pages describing the crude construction of the pepsi can pistol

inevitably followed by the line "cleaved through flesh and bone alike"

[drowsy urchin]

[tall phoenix]

LMAO STOP

[iron ore]

"sinews snapped and bones powdered under the ferocious flurry of blows" or something akin to that

[tall phoenix]

wet leopard growl

[iron ore]

My new band

wet leopard

[tall phoenix]

its not as bad as End and the Death

where he repeats the fucking title like 5 times

"Perhaps this will be an end, then a death."

"We shall face our end and then our death together"

fuck off

💀

[unreal saddle]

Who up endin they deaths

[tall phoenix]

Sanguinius and uhhh idk Horus i guess

[digital saffron]

We farsaw the end, and the death
This isn't the dance of the end, it's the dance of the end, and the death

[tall phoenix]

GOD

[digital saffron]

Kelbor Hal screamed, for this was the end, and the death

[iron ore]

Dan is functioning on a plane higher than any of us can possibly contemplate

this is legendary writing

[unreal saddle]

Loken saw the torpedoes heading for the city, for this was the end and the death of the great crusade

[iron ore]

Nothing beats sigmismund to loken "I doubt we will ever see peace brother, for in the grim darkness of the far future I fear there will be only war"

Literally did this when I read that

I can't use my sticker of the wojack pointing

you get the idea

[unreal saddle]

I go wild every time a warhammer is mentioned in lore

[iron ore]

Whenever somebody says only war in a warhammer book I jump and click my heels together

[runic peak]

the incarnate of soy

[unreal saddle]

Every time i hear the word grim in a novel my eyes poke out like in a cartoon and I start making dog noises

[iron ore]

I get really excited when I'm reading a good warhammer book and my neighbors ask me the next day if I got a dog

[tall phoenix]

LMAO

WHAT

[iron ore]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-bark-gif-20068634

I can't wait to read volume three and the last line is "go fuck yourself"

Someone needs the balls to insert 50 pages of exposition for a character powering up like DBZ

like the goku 10 minute scream

[unreal saddle]

We need a moment of horus and sanguinius staring at each other like spike spiegal to that one lady

Except it's horus just farming awkwardly to express his prowess

Then after that copy the "I just want a woman to beat me" meme that has spike in it except it's horus needlessly explaining why he turned to chaos to big E

[severe trail]

Lol

[wet holly]

"Be ready for my ultimate move!" The Emperor said to Horus, angrily.

[topaz plinth]

finally got a kindle and its way easier as the books no longer cost 400 dollars

only issue is amazon is more evil than the imperium

[iron ore]

Welcome to club kindle

[fading shore]

Almost as good as club Audible 😎

[topaz plinth]

i tried audible but the narrators read way too slowly for me

[mellow knot]

Yes - Steve Parker has a series and there’s a couple of anthologies. I’ll find you some links.

[mellow knot]

https://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/novels/deathwatch-the-long-vigil-ebook-2020.html

[mellow knot]

https://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/novels/deathwatch-ebook.html

There’s a couple to get you going

[mellow knot]

(Full disclosure: I have a short story in that anthology)

[cerulean peak]

Is Titandeath worth the read? I like admech stuff but i'm not really into knights. My only reference for knights are the chapters with their PoV in the Iron Warriors omnibus so I can't really judge if that was a good or bad depiction of knight-related writing

[drowsy urchin]

the heresy novel?

I thought it was great

[iron ore]

Prob guy haley’s best book imo

[hearty niche]

Man the gotrek and Felix books are so good

Cool as gotrek is think I’m a bigger fan of Felix but love em both

[topaz plinth]

Dark imperium keeps introducing me to cool guardsmen characters

Then murders them

[severe trail]

Suffering builds character

Suffering builds character

[calm flame]

At least you know they are dead! What sucks worse is having a vague ending with hope they come back... 20 years later...nothing.

[topaz plinth]

lemme guess... decimus?

[calm flame]

Spinoza

But yea, Decimus and we could go on right.

[severe trail]

Decimus is confirmed alive tbf

He got named dropped in the CSM codex

[topaz plinth]

we know hes alive but they havent continued his story in a very long time

[severe trail]

Yeah

[topaz plinth]

i think when i finish dark imperium i wanna read a oneshot book with not as much filler if anyone has any suggestions

[cerulean peak]

is there any specific factions that you enjoy more than others?

[severe trail]

Admech

[topaz plinth]

im into most factions but if i have to pick a favourite its chaos space marines

thousand sons the most but i enjoy all traitor legions

[cerulean peak]

Lords of Silence has a nice outlook on Death Guard. Takes place shortly before the fall of Cadia

[topaz plinth]

thank you ill check it out

yeah the cover has me interested already

truth be told the death guard and mortarion on the covers on dark imperium is why i got them

[cerulean peak]

Most Traitor legion books can be found in omnibus editions though

[topaz plinth]

ive been thinking about getting the night lord omnibus for a while

[cerulean peak]

Well you might like it then. The book features Mortarion and Typhus a bit and gives insight on the planning of the Plague War

[topaz plinth]

ahh thats even better its kinda linked to what im currently reading

[cerulean peak]

I haven't read the Night Lord omnibus yet but I heard it's very good.

[nova flume]

does anyone know exact release date for the end pt 3

[severe trail]

Nope

[nova flume]

google says jan 30th but iirc part 2 came out earlier than the official date

[tall phoenix]

Its been revealed but im half-asleep so i couldnt find it

but its like REALLY close, they arent wasting anytime cranking it out

[wide mica]

It went up for preorder today about 40 minutes ago

[tall phoenix]

JESUS

[wide mica]

I'd actually forgot about the preorders opening today, only opened the webstore to price check something, I guess I wait

[tall phoenix]

Yeah im sure it will calm down, but christ lol

[wide mica]

Also the release for part 3 is the 27th

Two week preorder window starting today

[tall phoenix]

Yeah im gonna buy one too fuck it

BRUH ITS A DIGITAL FILE

WHY

JUST TAKE MY MONEY

[wide mica]

20 minutes and it's still saying over an hours wait, I may as well just come back tomorrow.

[tall phoenix]

weird because mine had no limit

[orchid herald]

your not liekly to get one if it really popular, like sobs release box set sold out in 24 hours global.

[tall phoenix]

i wonder if its because im outside the buyer zone

[orchid herald]

it beacuse you sayed your prayer to the machine spirit

[wide mica]

I'm not even looking for any of the preorders

[orchid herald]

sad, their should be a to version of the site one with prices and one with the ability to order depending on what you are looking for if you hit google images typicallly your first row of them are from gw so you can check things like price. and stuff that way

[round pebble]

tells me 20 minutes then jumps to 35 then to 27 XD

[tall phoenix]

I got an order down

its set to release for the 27th, fuck off lmao

[round pebble]

nice

down to 7 minutes in queue

[tall phoenix]

Honestly

if you dont even get the book early then why even bother

[round pebble]

is what it is

[drowsy urchin]

all GW pre-orders are two weeks nowadays

[wide mica]

Bro I waited like 2 hours on the damn queue but then fell asleep and missed my slot, now I'm back again with a 40 minute queue.

[tawdry sluice]

Found this in an antique shop lmao

[digital saffron]

Oh cool

[wide mica]

Apparently the reason the queues were so long is Scalpers have found a way to skip the Queue and bypass the order limits on how many you can order. So they were just continually joining the queue, jumping to the first place ordering a copy of the Limited edition and then rejoining

[brittle tapir]

how much was it

also why does the store have a massive queue?

yesterday i was stuck in queue trying to buy models

[wide mica]

End and the Death pt3 went up for preorder, apparently the main issue was Scalpers have found a way of jumping the queue and were snatching up all the copies

[brittle tapir]

can people just stop buying from them geez

[wide mica]

Thing is it's like a syndicate rather than a couple of people, so they can cover the cost for eachother and then split the profits. So even if they don't sell right away they can sit on them until people start to cave, it was even worse before they introduced the queue system, basically every item would sell out within 5 minutes of being released for preorder and then be up on Ebay with a massive price markup, so buying from them was basically your only option.

[brittle tapir]

why are pre orders limited anyways

[wide mica]

A lot of the preorders are one time runs or limited edition

[tall phoenix]

Easy to squeeze people of money for fancy book covers

[wide mica]

Like this time it was the Limited edition version of End and Death pt3 they were grabbing

But they did it before with the single run boxsets like Ashes of Faith was probably the worst

Sold out within 5 minutes with a price of £95 and then was all over Ebay for £200

[tawdry sluice]

Like 24 dollars

[brittle tapir]

nice find

[tawdry sluice]

You think? I wasn't sure tbh. It says it was from 2004, I'm very new to Warhammer so I wasn't sure if it was anything special or not.

[brittle tapir]

i want to collect oldhammer stuff but they're hard to find.

[tawdry sluice]

Would you consider that Old?

[wide mica]

It's from 20 years ago, so yes

[brittle tapir]

that book is 1 year away from being of drinking age

make of that what you will

[tawdry sluice]

Hard to believe tbh. Didn't think of that

I feel old now

[sinful python]

wanna feel old? I still have my 2nd edition 40k rulebook(s) along with the Ultramarine and Angels of Death codices

also 3rd ed rulebook with half a dozen codices

[wide mica]

[tall phoenix]

JESUS

[wide mica]

Yep Scalpers got almost every copy using bots

Apparently one guy got every single copy on the Australian store

[tall phoenix]

holy shit thats bad lol

[wide mica]

So he's selling them for like $1000

[drowsy urchin]

Abelard, cut off their balls

[wide mica]

Yea it's pretty atrocious, the new website and queue was supposed to stop the scalpers, but instead they've just found a way to use the queue to ensure they get it before everyone else.

[drowsy urchin]

I'd hope to see GW will do something about this pre-order disaster once they see how many of the books went to scalpers

[tall phoenix]

I mean they get their money dont they

[drowsy urchin]

like they tried to battle exactly shit with the queue system when they implemented it but now it just backfired

[tall phoenix]

i doubt they care unless its prob miniatures

[drowsy urchin]

it does affect the image of the company which they arguably care about almost as much as profits

[tall phoenix]

It took them like a year to suck it up and fix the Cursed City situtation

throughout it all they never admitted they fucked up lol

i dont have much faith

[wide mica]

The next big limited release is the Dark Angels release Box, so if they're going to do something it needs to be before that comes out.

Because people will be pissed if it gets snatched by scalpers

[drowsy urchin]

wasn't it some copyright issue with CC

[tall phoenix]

it was them being instantly sold out

after GW again re-assured people they had enough copies

lmao

[drowsy urchin]

bare minimum would be adding recaptcha to the store site

yeah but the reason for CC to come back took that long was a copyright thing iirc

[wide mica]

The common sense approach would be to look at 200 books that are 1 per person all being delivered to the same address and suspecting something is up.

[fickle falcon]

They sadly don't care. The easiest solution would be to move a section from online only to physical stores that regulate the sales. I'm mainly annoyed with them chronically understocking anything I'm interested in

[cerulean peak]

Can't you just rent PO boxes to bypass the address thing

[fickle falcon]

You are right tho if it all goes to the same adress. It's sad how they have no issue sending 10 books to one person but don't like sending more than 4 random boxes to retailers

[tall phoenix]

Books make a very small part of their income.

When its miniatures aka their key moneymaker they might SOMETIMES bother but mostly yeah no lol

[digital saffron]

The thing that may get them to do something rn if anything, is that these bots make the website more or less unusable for days on end, which might dent miniature sales

[tall phoenix]

yeah its when their income is hurt that they care

otherwise this scalper shit has been unchecked for years

[fickle falcon]

Scalping and driving up prices happens on all fronts. I mainly collect old/rare models, there are plenty of sellers that try to buy anything of value to try to sell it for a premium. Same happens to older books/mags and new model releases 2

It has some benefits for gw, as it keeps the value of models and literature relatively high rendering it more collectable and a safer investment

• when 2nd hand prices are high, you might as well buy it new directly from gw

[severe trail]

Yeah the scalping bots are gona start cutting into their actual profit margins bcs no one can use the website sometimes

so they'll start paying attention

[nova flume]

scalpers deserve prison time

[brittle tapir]

i've tried learning about the problem and the issue seems to be that there's really no way to prevent these large scalper groups without GW spending large amounts of money

it's just how it's going to be until GW drastically changes how pre orders work

(it would ruin FOMO so they wont do it)

[hearty niche]

It got really cold last night for me and some of my paints froze are they ruined

[brittle tapir]

is the upcoming siege of terra book going to be the last horus heresy book to come out

[tall phoenix]

Yes.

BUT

We are absolutely going to get a Scouring series after it. So 30k is going nowhere.

[brittle tapir]

there can't be much content in that right?

i doubt that'll take 10 years or something

i kinda want to see the decline of the imperium post emp death though

[tall phoenix]

There will always be content as long as the authors can make stuff up for it.

40k re-treads and makes up stuff constantly for books

[wide mica]

I would prefer if they started a series focusing on another point in time like the Age of Apostasy or the Badab war.

Would be cool to see the Daughters/Brides of the Emperor before they became the Sisters of Battle

[tall phoenix]

Yeah but space marines.

[wide mica]

Both of those contain Space Marines

They'll just have to share the spotlight with characters that are actually interesting

[tall phoenix]

yeah but

spess mahreens

[sinful raptor]

Hey all, I'm guessing there's no right answer here, but after the lovely lore from the core books, been researching what novel to start with for a deeper dive and see Eisenhorn or the first novel in the Horus Heresy...is it just a matter of scope and/or interest between the two? Just want to be immersed into the 40K world, don't necessarily need Astartes in there though I've enjoyed the broad coverage of the timelines with the core books and other historical events like the War in Heaven

..sorry just noticed the pinned messages, apologies will check that out first

[tall phoenix]

Lmao its fine

[tall phoenix]

If you just want "normal" people I HIGHLY suggest either indeed Eisenhorn or primarily Warhammer Crime.

Horus Heresy is basically a stretched out boring space opera with marines of different toy-brand colors spread out everywhere

[sinful raptor]

Gotcha, yeah Eisenhorn seems like it would be a bit more personable though HH seems cool too as an epic, but also tough if requires committing to all 50+ books haha. Guess only worry with Eisenhorn is if it's still very much 40k feel or just a detective story? All my interactions with the lore so far I guess have been on the grander scale so wondering how it works out when zoomed in

[tall phoenix]

yeah if you ever wanna commit to HH you just need to read the more generally liked books because a GREAT chunk of the series is just boring or mediocre filler, the actual good ones are a few between

Also yeah Eisenhorn is very much detective-esque since hes a proper Inquisitor

all the plots regarding it take place in a single sector

[dire isle]

You could start with HERO OF THE IMPERIUM, Ciaphas Cain?

[sinful raptor]

ah will take a look at that too thank you! Yeah I also see recs for just entering from a faction of interest angle. I'd like to learn more about Dark Angels, but I do see reviews mixed at the quality of their books

[tall phoenix]

Yeah even as a newcomer you'll notice a pattern as you keep reading their stuff

[dire isle]

Eisenhorn and Ravenor are good places to start - detective stories, but definitely set in the 40k universe. Ravenor is a bit more coherent as a trilogy, I think, as Eisenhorn spans a longer time period - Ravenor is set after Eisenhorn in the same area of space, but you by no means need to read the Eisenhorn first.

Gaunts Ghosts is basically Sharpe In Space, but it focuses entirely on the imperial guard. Cain by nature of being a bit less serious jumps around a bit more and you see different things. I quite liked the Ultramarines books, but I've only read 'Warriors of Ultramar', 'Dead Sky, Black Sun', and 'The Killing Ground'.

Titanicus is also great, but I'm not sure how easy it is to find these days.

I've just realised that the only 40k books I've read in the past few years were written by Dan Abnett >_>

No idea about the Dark Angels books

[sinful raptor]

Awesome thanks for this! Yeah I've heard good things about Dan

[dire isle]

some BL authors aren't the best, but Dan Abnett, Graham McNeill, & Sandy Mitchell are all consistently good

(there was a dawn of war tie-in novel that was literal trash)

[sinful raptor]

as far as canon goes, is that kind of set by the core books then fleshed out by the novels in smaller increments? are the novels mostly considered a biased telling of events? From watching lore videos, it does seem like there's a neat vagueness in it all so it can leave room for more stories or retcons I guess depending on how you look at it lol

[dire isle]

the galaxy is a big place

[hearty niche]

Not 40k but it’s cool

[dire isle]

it's a bit inconsistent, but the good authors generally follow a baseline

This conversation spurred me to dig out the old lore

[sinful raptor]

That's really cool. Love the meta in universe warnings

@dire isle @tall phoenix Think I may just pull the trigger on Eisenhorn and jump right in. Appreciate the recs!

[tall phoenix]

[tall phoenix]

Basically to cut it short, 40k has a lot of authors writing for it, some are very good, some are okay, some are terrible.

The lore for the most part is PRETTY consistent but the authors can sometimes make mistakes and such which is where the vagueness usually comes in.

[dire isle]

and geedubs have and will retcon stuff for Reasons

[tall phoenix]

Yeah but retcons are usually pretty rare.

out of thousands of BL books they only retconned like 5

[dire isle]

The one that always jumps out to me is the point in Gaunts Ghosts where they stop talking about the guard and storm troopers and change to Astra Militarum and Tempestus Wotsits out of nowhere

[tall phoenix]

Copyrightable Terms

[drowsy urchin]

and guard is also still used

it's basically the high gothic term for the guard in world

like adeptus astartes are for space marines

[dire isle]

yes I know the lore justification they gave it

but it was a massive tonal shift that didn't fit

and High Gothic was better as a Canis Latinicus that could be whatever it needed to be for the book

[unborn mist]

That was C.S Goto who is trash tier

[dire isle]

yep

loves multilasers

hates good writing

[tall phoenix]

one of the few BL writers that managed to get fired

theres only like 3 in existence lmao

[unborn mist]

Is Ian Watson one of them. Though Inquisitor was before BL started

[tall phoenix]

Nah Ian Watson just got commissioned, wrote his stuff, and went off

his stuff is just super different to what 40k is now its why all his stuff got retconned while still being sold

[dire isle]

not sure what I'd do if I found the DoW novel in a bookshop, I might buy it to go with the other cursed things

[tall phoenix]

the other was some dude who used the war memorials/journal of actual war veterans to put them into the 40k book he was writing, it got found out instantly after the novel was released and he got fired along with all the copies getting yeeted

[dire isle]

yikes

[tall phoenix]

YEP

not great

otherwise the fate of most BL authors is just

rise to success

or

never get any good book and disappear into obscurity

[dire isle]

mediocrity

[tall phoenix]

YEP

BL is not great lmao

[dire isle]

nah

I've got a substantial horus heresy / time of heroes collection I bought when I was younger

never ever going to read them again because dear god they're suffering

would like to get my hands on the old titan and blood angel comics tho

janky as all hell but it balances better in a graphic novel I think

[tall phoenix]

Yeah like BL is good on the surface

but the way they just treat their authors is mega-bad

unless you are someone like Abnett whos literally untouchable you are just gonna be ordered around all your time there lol

[unborn mist]

Abnett and probably ADB can do what they want

[tall phoenix]

Yeah basically if you've been around for AWHILE you almost get an untouchable status.

[iron ore]

I feel like Ben Counter leans more to obscurity which is crazy considering how good some of his books are

[brittle tapir]

it's criminal that soul drinkers arent more mainstream. those books kick ass

[iron ore]

His HH book, galaxy in flames, is one of my favorites and I think has an argument for being best in the trilogy

[brittle tapir]

i love his writing style. it's like a slow buildup until everything explodes

too many authors put way too much action in books or not enough. ben keeps the right amount

[tall phoenix]

also man just

the mid 2000's 40k books had a vibe

[iron ore]

For sure

the 2004-2012 run was unstoppable

I mean all the space marine battles books, even some of the shittier ones are still fun books

and so many bangers too like helsreach and battle of the fang

even nick kymes UM books (damnos) are decent

[mellow knot]

Never forget that any author is only as good as the editor in charge of their work - who is meant to pick up on any inconsistencies.

[mellow knot]

It was fun to be a part of that series. I found a random line in a codex and had the fun of making it into a full story.

[iron ore]

It was also cool that you were able to bring a chapter like the silver skulls, which to my knowledge doesn't feature in much, to the forefront in a book like that

When I first opened a deathwatch vets model kit and saw one of the silver skulls shoulderpads in there I was like hell yea

[mellow knot]

It was nice to have a certain element of free rein in shaping their nuances

[iron ore]

I can imagine, I know we've talked about this before but it's a point I love to beat to death in here- that cover art is top 3 for that book line for sure lol

[mellow knot]

Jon Sullivan and I exchanged loads of emails at silly o’clock discussing tiny details - like the bottle on Huron’s belt and what it contained and it paid off in the end. I love that cover so much

[iron ore]

Can't wait for my ol huron to come in so I can do my best to emulate the art work onto the model

Prob gonna pick it up on ye olde kindle now that I don't have my paperback anymore and give it a re read

[rustic sierra]

So I recently stopped by a game shop and got some Warhammer books for the first time (sadly no Infinite and the Divine, heard good things and wanna read it so bad.) and I have a question I wanna throw out into the aether in hopes of a response

Got two books. Warboss (which sounds like it was Pre-Gazgul? idk)... and the other is The Wraithbone Pheonix, which is described as "A Baggit and Clodde novel"... Are there other Baggit and Clodde books? It shows no other signs of it being a series but is it one? If it is, is the order important or am I clear to crack this one open and read away?

[wide mica]

There's Dredge Runners, looks like it's an earlier story about Baggit and Clodde, but it's an audio drama rather than a novel.

Seems like Wraithbone Pheonix is their first proper novel other than the audio one.

No idea if one is a required read/listen for the other though.

Seems like it might add on it to listen to Dredge Runners first, but I'm seeing people say it isn't essential to understand/enjoy the book.

[rustic sierra]

Thanks, I know almost nothing about Ratlings but I LOVE ogryns so I read like half of the blurb on the back and was like "Yup, I'm walking out of here with this"

[tall phoenix]

They are literally hobbits

so i hope that helps to some degree

[rustic sierra]

aight, cool

[tall phoenix]

Also kleptomaniacs

its a running joke in the novel

[wet holly]

Please someone make a decision for me

1. Continue my current Omnibus (Just finished book 1 of 3.5 and its a fucking death slog)

2. Start a short book that I know I will enjoy.

[tall phoenix]

Whats the Omnibus

[wet holly]

The Word Bearer Omnibus.
They killed the only character I cared about off midway through after literally spending dozens upon dozens of pages setting him up.

And the death wasnt even interesting.
It literally just made me mad lmao

[tall phoenix]

OOF lmao

Yeah the WB omnibus is not bad but not great

id say just stop reading if you dont like it

[wet holly]

Like bro literally just looked at himself and was like "NUHUH" and blew his own face off 😭

Not even joking.

Actually what happend

I mean Id agree but now I alr finished book 1.
Be weird to stop there but maybe a break

I am atleast somewhat interested in the second doe, cuz its gonna feature Dark Eldar.
Given how dark the first one was its def gonna be interesting lol

[tall phoenix]

Yeah prob finish Book 1 at least

otherwise sorry to hear it

[wet holly]

Oh I finished Book 1 today.
But I saw 15h on my shelf and was like

"But what if Iiiiiiii-"

[tall phoenix]

15 Hours is pretty good would recommend it

its the novel where everyone assumed all imperial guardsman's expected lifespan is 15h when thats literally for that fucking specific warzone

[wet holly]

Like it doesnt even- mathimatically make sense-
unless you get bombarded your chance of actually dying in like the far back of a 200.000 man formatiom would be so fucking slim.

Like at that point the deadliest thing would be getting trampled over by other guardsmen or sth lol

[tall phoenix]

As usual people taking stuff out of context 💀

[wet holly]

Like think about it lmao

200 people infront of you.
One Bolter round.
Whos gonna die, most likely?

15h makes no god damn sense at all lmao.
Maybe if youre in the DIRECT frontlines WITHOUT any cover, trenches- whatever.

But the whole term "veteran guardsman" wouldnt even exist if that was the case lol

[cerulean peak]

I just finished that book last week and to expand on that comment, the 15h is the average lifespan of a newcomer on that specific battleground

Also, the book was great to show the incompetence/bloat in the imperium administration/chain of command

[tall phoenix]

Yeah it was a misinformation nightmare for like fucking YEARS

genuinely obnoxious

[digital saffron]

It's like the crusade loophole myth, but at least this exists in some form unlike said loophole

[cerulean peak]

What loophole?

[digital saffron]

Exactly

[severe trail]

40K fans repeating meme lore and misinformation as real lore, name a more iconic duo

[digital saffron]

Imperium fans and no media literacy?

[unborn merlin]

Don’t know if this has been mentioned already but there’s another audible sale going on. It’s not as good as the last Black Friday one but a large amount of the Black Library books are 75% off for the next two weeks.

[proud mountain]

Is there any suggestions for getting a friend into the warhammer 40k books who’s just starting? I was thinking maybe somewhere in the Horus Heresy books since that’s such a huge event, but I’m not too familiar with them myself

[unborn merlin]

Do they have any interests in a specific faction or Space Marine Legion?

[tall phoenix]

We got a selection of recommendations for beginner books in the pins.

Highly suggest against the Horus Heresy as a beginner thing because its a 55 book-long bloated series made to be a cashcow.

Also literally about space marines and nobody else

[unborn merlin]

Hey, you get the knife ears in like two books. That’s something right?

[tall phoenix]

Who?

im talking about human characters

[unborn merlin]

Uuuh Eldrad Ulthran shows up in Fulgrim and the only other one I can remember is like Slau Dha from the Cabal.

[tall phoenix]

yeah but they are footnote participants

like almost every human character in the Heresy

minus people like Keeler who nobody cares about lol

[unborn merlin]

There’s also everyone’s favorite character John Grammaticus.

[tall phoenix]

AUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-gif-25608698

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-zealot-pain-gif-25557240

[unborn merlin]

John’s such a cool guy. Totally not Abnett’s cringe oc.

[tall phoenix]

lmfao christ

his fucking christian atheism rant in the last book legit made me lose all hope

[proud mountain]

Tyvm!

[proud mountain]

not really, they can start anywhere any faction

[boreal spear]

Almost at the end of the Cain series, read Eisenhorn already. Recommendations in general or for a good Space Marine series?

Salamander pref for SM books, otherwise I'm down for amything

[unborn merlin]

If you want to recommend them something more light hearted you can’t go wrong with The Infinite and The Divine or Brutal Kunnin’. Both are very good.

I personally got into the books through the Night Lords trilogy which is just…

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[brittle tapir]

soul drinkers

and of course the first three HH books if you havent read them already

[forest spruce]

Dudes trying to drown people in the heresey

[wet holly]

my favrotite trilorgy

[grim ravine]

after years of wanting to start reading or lisent to audio books i have finnaly started with Horus Rising

[unborn merlin]

Hopefully you didn’t plan on reading anything except HH books for the next decade.

[wet holly]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-guy-senior-walker-gif-7660497

[unborn merlin]

Also get used to listening to Jonathan Keeble. He probably narrates more than half of them.

[wet holly]

^ cant wait to get into 40k

[unborn merlin]

You’ll get to experience his iconic BOOOOooooooOOOOOMMMMmmm a hundred times.

[orchid herald]

Last chancers good guard book to start.

[formal rune]

For a college class I have to do a media fast for 24 hours I’m aloud to read books I need suggestions

[umbral dagger]

CLose to finishing the Horus Rising audio book, hope the rest of the books live up to this one. It’s pretty damn good

[glass lintel]

That trilogy represents the quality of the whole series on average, which you can take for what you will from someone who didn't enjoy them.

[umbral dagger]

The end of Horus rising has me disappointed, it would have been cool to see all the dudes be homies. Fuck Erebus though

Kill that guy

But i mean It is Warhammer. Can’t have no happy endings smh

Unless you are an orc I guess

[severe trail]

Daemons pretty happy as well

[umbral dagger]

Oh yeah you are right

Forgot

[wet holly]

I am currently on the last few pages of 15h.

I dont wanna
I dont wanna
I dont wanna

[tall phoenix]

[wet holly]

The "All quiet on the western front" similarities are insane lol.

Theres literally Kat and the whole Dugout scene from the book, aswell as the high command nobles that just suck at everything.

Honestly you could totally read this without knowing ANYTHING about 40k.

Such a great book.

[tall phoenix]

theres a reason its one of my favs, its very unnoticed

[digital saffron]

Who was that guy who just copy pasted war books lol

[tall phoenix]

I cant remember lmao

he got insta-fired when the book went out and into peoples' hands

[wet holly]

NOOOOOOOOOO

NO FUCK! FUCK! NOOOOOOO

[tall phoenix]

🫵

[wet holly]

NOOOOOOO

[tall phoenix]

THATS ALL FOLKS

[wet holly]

FUCK THAT ENDING SO MUCH

[wet holly]

...Its so different from the usual warhammer stories, and everything I always preach that works best in the 40k universe.

No bolterporn, just character and story telling.

The book was super short, but it still manage to completly trap me with its characters and plot.

Absolute 10/10.

One of my best reads ever.

...Now to my next read

[tall phoenix]

Which one

[digital saffron]

I need to get the book that has Firstborn Daughter in it

[wet holly]

Oh, nothing warhammer.
Taking a small break lol.

Next on my list is either Prince of Thorns, Blood Meridian or House of Leaves.

Tho I am leaning towards the latter.

The next on my 40k list is probably Dark Imperium or Eisenhorn!

[tall phoenix]

"small break"

Blood Meridian

💀

[wet holly]

So...did the author of 15h just kinda stop being an author?...

Theres less than a handfull of other novels of his.

[wet holly]

Its not even that bad? xD

House of leaves is massive, and you even gotta use a mirror to read the book at times- or flip it upside down mid paragraph 💀

[tall phoenix]

Blood Meridian has uh... a lot

have you read it before

genuinely makes most warhammer novels read like kid books

[wet holly]

Wait no.
I know what I'll do.

[wet holly]

Nope, but its next to me rn, and its only about 400 pages with a rather big font lol.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah good luck

it has uhhh "content" thats for sure

[wet holly]

Oh I heard.
Did get warned about the book, and a whiile ago I watched someones video on it, but I only remember "judge bad" or sth.

Surely it cant be worse than Prince of Thorns.

First book was so fucking appaling at times lmao

[tall phoenix]

Basically its a great book but it also has basically every kind of "war" crime and content 40k writers cannot dare put into novels for censor reasons

I don't wanna overhype but basically its very violent lol

[wet holly]

Putting the war in warhammer is truly scary.

[tall phoenix]

yeah 40k for the most part sticks to very surface gore

it gets dull after awhile and you dont really care

[wet holly]

I mean Prince of Thorns is pretty bad too.

Best way I can put it is, what do you think will happen when a band of bastard bandits raid a village in the medieval ages?

Yeeeeah...
yeeeeaaaaaaaah-

[tall phoenix]

Yeaaaah 💀

Blood Meridian has about as much of that + scalping

[wet holly]

Word Bearers did that to me.
I just zoned out at some point

[tall phoenix]

Same.

Like I do still get grossed out in motion pictures but with books its like "Oh yeah cool so what happened next can we move on."

[wet holly]

"Wait we're fighting Necrons right now?!"

[tall phoenix]

but yeah best of luck with those, Blood Meridian is a really good book, my class read it once and everyone was fucking disgusted lmao

our tutor asked us what we thought and literally everyone was silent

[wet holly]

I'll take any amount of gore, I dont care.
Make your story as dark and gritty as possible.
But give me a story.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah basically that

[wet holly]

How bad of a teacher do you have to be to give sth like that to your students?!

That would never go through where I live

[tall phoenix]

Honestly im glad she did, as traumatized as i was it was fun

she did give A LOT of warnings tho so

[wet holly]

Was everyone atleast asked if theyd be okay reading sth like that?
Given the contents we both just hinted at?

[tall phoenix]

Yeah everyone was cool, we were all adults, we read mature stories before.

It definitely opened a big chunk of the class' eyes to fictional writing like that in general, the silence i was talking about was followed by a lot of laughter too lol

[wet holly]

aaaah.
I thought that was like high school.
Was shocked for a second but thats fine then Ig lol

[tall phoenix]

NOPE

but yeah B.M is good

[wet holly]

We only read like- a blm book- a crime novel where like the entire town was at fault and a story about a kid who went into coma for I dunno how long and didnt remember anything afterwards 💀

[tall phoenix]

Lmao its either that or Steven King so 💀

[wet holly]

Gross.

I hate King 💀

[tall phoenix]

The moral of the story is you should sniff some cocaine and write books kids

[wet holly]

I fucking died reading It.
It was all fine and then THAT scene in the sewers happend and I was like-

[tall phoenix]

LMAO

yeah never again

[wet holly]

Nope.

and even disregarding that
His stories are really neither good or scary.
I dunno why people give him so much credit, its like a male version of Carleen Hoover LMAO

[tall phoenix]

At least his movies are funny

[wet holly]

The It remake was honestly fine.

[tall phoenix]

wow

but speaking of fine, go back to reading nerd

[wet holly]

Its all I'll give it lol

Also zamn its like 2am- ive been reading since like 4 xD

[tall phoenix]

[wet holly]

[tall phoenix]

Damn i didnt know you were that close, its 03:45 here lol

Turkey time 😔

[wet holly]

What f-
OOOH

[tall phoenix]

stupid timezones

but yeah go hit the hay

[digital saffron]

We will hunt you down

[wet holly]

I keep forgetting that timezone exists

Go to bed.

[digital saffron]

The company that helped produce it is the one working on the amazon project

For hamwarmer

[wet holly]

ye as I said, I liked the first movie.

The book was alright too, It was okay till something happend.

[digital saffron]

The thing that won't be mentioned 🙏

[wet holly]

Just act like it doesnt exist.

[severe trail]

LOL

I was waiting for it lmao

[wet holly]

I mean I knew it was gonna happen.
Its there in the first feq pages but god damn it hurt.

[random marlin]

Glad that you loved it, that's one I enjoyed very much too. 🙂 I enjoy Astra Militarum novels that are less about glorifying war and 15 hours sure is one of them.

And did you read Fire Caste? If 15 hours is "All quite on the Western Front meets 40k" then Fire Caste is "Apocalypse Now meets 40k" with a healthy dose of atmosphere and body horror in it, thanks to Peter Fehervari's unique style. 😉

[wet holly]

Never even heard of it!
Definetly putting that on my list!

Thank you very much for the rec ^^

[random marlin]

Just a word of warning beforehand: Peter Fehervari's style is divisive and basically there are 3 types of reaction: you either love it, are indifferent to it or hate it.

He has more of a lyrical and introspective style with much less bolter porn than in 90% of other BL stories... which does not prevent him from doing awesome action scenes whenever he wants.

He also has a very playful approach to his stories, in the sense that if you, as a reader, pays attention to details, you're going to pick up small things. Either these things will have payoffs in the story you're currently reading or they're connected to his other stories and you'll go "huh?". Then later, when you read these other stories and connect the dots, it's very rewarding. All of these stories are known under the name of the Dark Coil as they're all connected to each other and takes place in the same sector.

Personnally, I love it as being focused while reading his works both allows to enjoy his style and get these small details, but other people hate it as they find it too convoluted.

Another funny thing is that there are recommended orders for his stories but you basically can start with any book/short story and you'll simply have a different path from someone who has started elsewhere.

At last, if you read Fire Caste and enjoyed the fever dream that it is, I'll advise you to read Vanguard which is kind of an epilogue to it and... well, I won't spoil it even if I'd really like to speak about it. 😄

Here you go! 🙂

[wet holly]

Seems exactly like my kind of story lol!
Man I cant wait to read it now!

[hot mauve]

hey y'all, new to reading BL, but I just finished Helsreach yesterday and have kind of a silly question, ||are there any books or stories of Andrej the guardsman? He was such a great character and I would love more of that||

[tall phoenix]

Unfortunately no hes just a side character in this

but the fact that hes still remembered almost a decade later now speaks volumes to his performance lol

[wet holly]

Readings gonna be alot more comf like dis ^^

[tall phoenix]

Damn, nap times

[unborn merlin]

That would probably hurt my eyes tbh.

[digital saffron]

You can sleep?

[tall phoenix]

[brittle tapir]

hey i grew up reading stephen king

actually one of the first novels i read was rage

the book that's about school shootings before school shootings were a thing

the long walk is still one of my favorite short stories of all time

[random marlin]

I read The Long Walk something like 30 years ago and I still remember it. King's stories were ruthless when he was young.

[loud helm]

i hope he made his shuttle 🫡

[topaz plinth]

theres so much filler in godblight theres been like two or three chapters describing frater mathieus crusade just crossing the planet with nothing of much importance happening

[tall phoenix]

Welcome to most 40k books

[topaz plinth]

its a shame cause the chapter right after was cool

fabian and the library of ptolemy is interesting

[drowsy urchin]

https://x.com/warhammer/status/1749441059023622576?s=20

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[tall phoenix]

took the morons long enough

lol

[fading shore]

I just finished Ravenor Rogue. The Ravenor trilogy compared to Eisenhorn (imperfect but enjoyable) was .... bad. Do I even want to try the Bequin trilogy 🤔

At least there was some transition between Eisenhorn into the Ravenor books . Absolutely no indication rn that Bequin will be a cjracter again so already not off to a great start

[tribal ridge]

i am currently on the magos for eishenhorn now dont qoute me on it but i think there is stuff with her in that which takes place after the ravenor trilogy

[wide mica]

Yea the Magos (the fourth Eisenhorn book) is after the Ravenor trilogy and before Bequin

Not counting the Short Stories the order is

Xenos
Malleus
Hereticus
Ravenor
Ravenor Returned
Ravenor Rogue
The Magos
Pariah
Penitent
Pandaemonium

[solar juniper]

I'm sure something like this has been asked 1000 times here, but I'm looking for recommendations.

I read Eisenhorn trilogy, Ravenor trilogy (waiting on Bequin to finish), then hit all the Ciaphas Cain, and finally am going to finish Gaunt's Ghosts series tonight. I think Cain was the most fun, but GG definitely had its hooks in deepest and I'm scared to finish.

I loved all of those and I'm scared that I kind of read the cream of the crop. Any recommendations on a new 40k series to pick up? I've seen lots of recommendations for single books, but I was hoping for something meaty to dive into, that was high quality (I know the HH books can vary in quality).

Any recommendations appreciated!

[tall phoenix]

That kinda depends on what you want to get into

theres as many good meaty 40k books as theres really awful ones

[solar juniper]

I'm open to moving away from Imperial Guard

wouldn't mind something with more xenos, but really looking for like a solid quality trilogy. I heard Night Lords trilogy was good, so i was about to purchase, but figured I'd toss some feelers out here

[severe trail]

Night lords trilogy very good

[tall phoenix]

Try taking a look at some of the books we got pinned here, lots of good on the list as well

[solar juniper]

Pins!

Didn't even think to check, thanks!

[solar juniper]

Purchased!

[severe trail]

It’s about a specific warband of nightlords

But it’s enjoyable

[tall phoenix]

They'll love it im sure

[cerulean peak]

Are there any books which features the Purge chaos warband? I can't find where they get their lore from

[tall phoenix]

Nope they are just a footnote sub-faction

tho id suggest Lords of Silence if you want some prime nurgle warband stuff

[cerulean peak]

I already have read it and most things with plague marines

(Theyre my tabletop boys)

Mhmmm... they're mentionned in the Dante novel

Idk if those books are good tho

It's Guy Haley so it should be alright I guess

[tall phoenix]

Yeah there they are just throwaway villains there but up to you

Dante's books are like mid 2000's 40k stuff so very mid

[cerulean peak]

It was just out of curiosity... Wiki pages seems like they cover what little stuff there is about them

[tall phoenix]

yeah its just not a lot so be warned

[cerulean peak]

Nah I won't read it. Blood Angels don't interest me enough to justify the buy

[tall phoenix]

good decision

[cerulean peak]

This might sound weird but are there any book known to be amongst the worst warhammer has to offer but that are actually worth the read

[tall phoenix]

Uhhhh i dont think so because most of the "bad" books are just legit bad.

like not even "its wrongly hated"

[cerulean peak]

What about wrongly hated ones then

[tall phoenix]

that i cannot help with because i dont know any

[cerulean peak]

[tall phoenix]

yeah like i said theres usually not really any in-between

most 40k books legit are just bad or good

[cerulean peak]

That's what I have understood from my research. Luckily Indomitus is the only novel I wouldn't recommand to anyone that i've read (so far)

[severe trail]

Siege of Vraks and forgeworld stuff

Which aren't really actual books

[torpid sequoia]

I just want the final siege of terra book to get release on audible so I can finally hear Ingo Pech wrap his hands around Johns neck for sticking that mine onto him 😦

[tall phoenix]

LMAO

[drowsy urchin]

Inb4 he won't be heard again until the scouring

[wintry blade]

Btw I know where to find Gav and Bob, but didn’t people write more stories as spin offs of that story? And are they any good?

[loud helm]

https://youtu.be/vY5Rg-29xao

i was really sad i couldnt get the last dark angel book special edition

it looked really cool

[proper solar]

Is the lion son of the forest a good read?

[loud helm]

i actually haven't gotten some to reading it. been reading some other stuff

i do want too though, I like the Lion in 30k

[stray locust]

Any book(s) that have like slice of life portions in them/snapshots of life in the Imperium? Stuff that is good world building. I’ve read only the Eisenhorn series so far so I’m new to 40k books.

[severe trail]

I've heard its good

[severe trail]

Warhammer Crime in general

has a lot of slice of life esque stuff

[reef roost]

warhammer crime is great, I've read all the books up until the vorbis conspiracy and (at least IMO) there hasn't been a bad one yet

varangantua is completely new setting to 40k, so the authors have plenty of opportunity to flesh the place out

[drowsy urchin]

It's very artuhiran, quite liked it

[hearty niche]

What are some good necron books I can read, recently got into 40k and they caught my attention

[torpid sequoia]

Was pretty solid on audible.

[digital saffron]

Infinite and the divine, Twice dead king

[torpid sequoia]

Finished Storm of Iron. Pretty much just chaos dudes complaining the whole time while some sneaky shit goes on in the background 🥴

[hearty niche]

Thx!

[unborn merlin]

Finished it yesterday, a must read for all sons of the Lion.

[wise yew]

the ciaphias cain series is one of the standards if you want to get into 40K reading

A lot more lighthearted than the other books of the franchise

[unborn merlin]

Don’t expect a grand crazy adventure tho.

It’s small in scale but sets up the Risen pretty well.

[topaz plinth]

thats basically what the iron warriors do tbf

[hearty niche]

Oh my god malakai makaisson is unintelligible narrated by Jonathan Keeble lmao

Says Felix is having the same trouble understanding him

[tall phoenix]

I love him

least violent average sco'ish™️ person

[hearty niche]

Hilarious

[sweet dawn]

Question about the book series Gaunt's Ghosts. And a rather simple one at that. Do any of the books feature titans ?

[hearty niche]

Man learning more about warhammer dwarves makes me wanna play a dnd dwarf a lot

Their absolute devotion to their word, oaths and honor seems like a fun rp basis

[torpid sequoia]

Just a lot of ghost class titans

[orchid herald]

yes, but not in a Major way.

[sweet dawn]

I see

Thanks ^^

Gonna look out for it then

Any good Titan books you guys can recommend then ?

I wanne know more about the titanicus

[tall phoenix]

boy do I got one for you with a very creative name

[sweet dawn]

XDDD

Okay, it did not occur to me there would be a book named after the legio

AND ITS READ BY TOBY LONGWORTH ON AUDIBLE

LETS FUCKIN GO

I love that mans voice

[tall phoenix]

God speed trooper

[iron ore]

Wait wait wait I know this one BREATHES IN "Towering over even the tallest of towers, the titans of Legio X clambered on, metal gods amonst men, venerated in battles across countless generations, each segemented plate of ceramite infused with adamantium and zeal, adorned with decorations won across a thousand battlefields- the titans of legio x were truly a sight to behold"

breathes out

not enough detailed description on my Dan impersonation there

[tall phoenix]

LMAO

STOP

[vale wren]

that was VILE

mods, feed his soul to the astronomican

[tall phoenix]

🗼

[iron ore]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-mods-crush-his-skull-gif-2213796137681918706

[iron ore]

Are there any books centered on chaos versus tau or chaos vs nids or something like that?

[brittle tapir]

that would be fun to read so i'm going to assume no

[cerulean peak]

Shadowsun is tau vs death guard

[digital saffron]

Empire of Lies I think? Farsight in general

[sweet dawn]

I'd love a book of Necrons vs Nids

but since nids avoid necrons in general I doubt that will happen

[burnt ridge]

So..... The ||Imperium|| is gonna end huh?

[digital saffron]

I hope so

[burnt ridge]

I just finished Witchbringer, and || was surprised to hear they're still teasing the end of the Imperium. I'm sure it'll be more of a fracturing of "Classic Empire" and "Not-as-Fascist Humanity" maybe with Lion and Roboute leading up different factions||

[tall phoenix]

They do that in every book

Its nothing important and just lame doomer stuff that’s gonna go nowhere lol

[torpid sequoia]

Because GW knows that they need an assload of filler to attempt to justify high priced books and they know that people will pay for it.

[tall phoenix]

^

[burnt ridge]

I wouldn't say Witchbringer is filler, it's a good book and a great look into the Primaris Psykers of the Guard

[digital saffron]

It's not part of a larger series afaik

Just a nice one off

[torpid sequoia]

Wouldn't be surprised if they decide to pull The end and the death part 4 instead of finally just ending the f-ing thing lol

[hearty niche]

I don’t know if that it will necessarily be the Lion and Guilliman leading the two factions, considering how Dante is Lord Regent of Imperium Nihilus and all. I think something may split along the Cicatrix Maledictum instead in order to simplify things about the Imperium fracturing. However, I could entirely be wrong

On another, more relative note, Witchbringer is an amazing novel

[wide mica]

Sad, I lent my copy of Witchbringer to a friend that I no longer speak to

[burnt ridge]

But could still be part of the larger setting

[loud helm]

In 30k the Lion basically acknowledges Roboute wasn't wrong about Imperium Secundus and says that he trusts him to lead...

They kind of worked through most of their (not that much) beef in the Unremembered Empire and the books that followed.

Personally I like Guilliman's plot line in 30k quite a bit, probably number 2 after the thousand son's story arc.

[loud helm]

I feel like they learned their lesson with The End Times and they will just perpetually keep 40k "on the verge of collapse" to justify a bunch of EPIC GRIM DARK BATTLES

[hearty niche]

Well I more of meant that I didn’t think it would be the Lion taking the second. I feel it’s pretty solidified that Guilliman will be leading a major faction regardless

I should have specified better

I am also a large Blood Angels fan so I would obviously like to see Dante become more major (than he already is), but also I feel that given the current circumstances, it would be feaseable

[burnt ridge]

But then they should sell it as epic grim battles

I've had two books recently specifically foreshadowing the end of the Imperium

And it's not like the End Times, the 40k setting continues without the Imperium, especially cause mostly likely it'd be factions

And it's not like Mr. Workshop hasn't been gladly shaking up the setting with new lore events, we're not even in the 41st millennium anymore in lore

[tall phoenix]

we arent getting End Times until at least another IRL decade

[loud helm]

warhammer 50k

its just age of sigmar

with LOTR and Star Wars units

disney has aquired Games Workshop

the year is 2063 and the new primarch being release is Thanos the Mad Titan twerking

[cerulean peak]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-dance-cool-fortnite-gif-14058740

[oak pollen]

still waiting for the fortnite 40k crossover event kekw

that is a joke btw. i would never want that to happen

[tall phoenix]

the cod one is happening

fortnite is next prob

[oak pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[tall phoenix]

[severe trail]

40k fortnite will be peak fiction

[oak pollen]

you misspelled cringe

[severe trail]

Kill that which cringes inside of you

[loud helm]

we are living in the post-cringe era

cringe is epic again

[topaz dock]

no

[brittle tapir]

if the amazon series blows up i can actually see amazon, disney, apple or any other giant company buying the IP

[coarse venture]

It needs to not be Disney if that's the case for the love of god

[tall phoenix]

you say that like GW already hasn't sold out to goofy ah IPs like Call of Duty

or World of Tanks

or World of Warships

or Warhammer Adventure kids books

[swift yarrow]

Hey now, those adventure books aren't terrible.

Listened to them in bed, fell right to sleep.

[fading shore]

i read the eisenhorn trilogy , the ravenor trilogy (very disappointing) , and now i started bequin and I'm totally confused about the chronology going on

im on ch10 and|| Patience Kiss|| just showed up , but I thought we were in a flashback about Bequin's childhood and that makes no sense because ||Patience is introduced in the Ravenor books when Bequin is like 80 years and already in a coma || is this supposed to be confusing? and if so can someone spoil it for me if its not a major spoiler ?

[wide mica]

Dunno if it's related to the confusion but did you read The Magos before starting Bequin?

[fading shore]

no , i thought that was later

[wide mica]

Nope, it's Eisenhorn trilogy, Ravenor Trilogy, The Magos and then the Bequin trilogy

[fading shore]

ah ok

i'll check that out esp if its also on audible

before I confuse myself further 😄

[wide mica]

Don't know if that will help the confusion because I'm not on the Bequin trilogy yet myself so can't confirm