40k-book-club

[hearty niche]

i wonder what that reminds me of

cough cough ELDARS cough cough

[tall phoenix]

no thats just any decadent human empire

Bro the Bene Gesserit chapters are WILD 💀

Herbert was on some good shrooms writing this

[shrewd silo]

Let's breed || 9 yo super twins to create super humans with 0 problems what so ever||

[tall phoenix]

these women be going nuts 💀

[hearty niche]

gotta save money to buy the dune books it seems

[shrewd silo]

@tall phoenix you ever read or watch AOT?

[tall phoenix]

Attack on Titan?

[shrewd silo]

Ye

[tall phoenix]

OOF ever since it aired yes

then got lazy and read the ending

whats up

[shrewd silo]

Oh the anime changes the ending and made it better

It's not changed by much just stuff is revealed in different orders

And a bit extra is added

But the ||attack titan powers reminded me of dune a lot||

[tall phoenix]

Lmao honestly i wouldnt be surprised if there was inspiration

Dune inspired a lot of franchises with sci-fi elements in general

[severe trail]

It still has "No I don't want that" 💀

[shrewd silo]

But it does have pretty great punch

[severe trail]

AoT still has a terrible ending in my eyes lol

Its still a lot less awful then what was written originally

still bad

Anime makes it a lot more palatable by not showing Eren as much sympathy

[frigid karma]

Eren was right btw

[frigid karma]

dead serious kek

[severe trail]

[frigid karma]

Daijobu

the fact there's so much controversy means the author did something right

but yes back to 40k

[shrewd silo]

Why is it so bad?
I kinda liked it since ||it seems like the second best option besides killing everyone not on the island.
Like what else you suppose to do once it's started.
It also got the slave her closer||

[severe trail]

The animes is less bad but in the manga ||way too much sympathy is shown to Eren and also there's like almost 0 chance the rest of the world even post rumbling would just forget about what was done, Its pretty illogical they don't finish wiping out every single Eldian||

but this isn't 40k so

wrong chat

[shrewd silo]

Yeah manga was not as good

[severe trail]

so how do ya'll feel about End and The Death part 2

[shrewd silo]

Back to 40k

Seems interesting I might read it one day but I feel like I want context behind what's going on

[severe trail]

Feels like there's a little too much filler ngl

[shrewd silo]

But from what I heard in the first end and death book you just have a million characters from all SM chapters slapping each other endlessly and I forgot every one but garro taul Saul and a few others

[frigid karma]

last note on this: ||Paradis goes get nuked into oblivion much later after Eren's time so he was basically vindicated after the fact||

[shrewd silo]

Yeah but that's the ||idea history just repeats it self and eren only gave them the even playing field.
Even ended with THAT TREE||

[languid torrent]

My journey into the books of 40k has begun

[shrewd silo]

Nice

[severe trail]

Um its 30k akshully 🤓, unironically hope you have fun with it

[frigid karma]

Isstvan still hurts

[severe trail]

Which one

💀

[frigid karma]

III

||that betrayal and knowing from there everything's just gonna tumble into irrecoverable hell just hits different||

[languid torrent]

I will this is my first ever time reading a 40k

Book

[frigid karma]

It's a ride

that's where I started too

[severe trail]

Have fun with it

Lots to read

[languid torrent]

I read all three darth bane books that was a ride and a lot to read. Had me on the edge of my seat the whole time.

[jaunty stratus]

don't be disappointed, as the HH books arent that easy for beginners, not familiar with the universe. There are better books to get a foot into the door on that regard. Not that its somewhat complicated, its just the technical words and such arent that good explained

[plain flint]

i quite enjoyed the first 5 books of the horus heresy

not everything is written perfectly but still helps give a clearer picture of the whole event

[tall phoenix]

well yeah because they are coherent

after that tho uh 💀

[frigid karma]

Yeah it just sprawls everywhere

I think at that point someone can just pick and choose which stories they wanna follow

[plain flint]

tbh i dont mind the fact that it kinda goes all over the place

im reading all of them purely for the lore at this point

[tall phoenix]

I mean thats the thing tho

it doesnt really have any lore

its just following the Heresy script

[plain flint]

let me rephrase it

im reading all of them purely for the details at this point

[tall phoenix]

Waste of money but you do you

[hearty niche]

especially when one of the space marines asks his captain “did this mean anything? Did we hurt them?” as they’re about to get wiped out by the traitor forces

[frigid karma]

[jaunty stratus]

Thats the subtitle of the warhammer franchise

[shrewd silo]

Just finished Only in death GG11 audiobook

[glass lintel]

As a queer woman who has read romance novels made for and by members of my community, the first three Horus Heresy novels somehow manage to be the fruitiest series of books I've read by sheer weight of subtext alone, and that's the only significant detail I've remembered from them.

[shrewd silo]

It's pretty good I actually liked only in death how they
(MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE BOOK guants ghosts 11)||killed guant off and had everything constantly going to shit the whole book||
||Especially liked the end when it turns out all to bad shit visions was the house and all the good visions that protected them was the there old friend who was carted off and horribly horribly mutilated.||

[shrewd silo]

So your one of those ever read the manhwa how to fight?

[glass lintel]

Not sure I follow.

[shrewd silo]

I'm just presuming you meant the subtext is gay coded.

[glass lintel]

The Horus Heresy novels as a whole feel like you're watching people try to add nuance and narration to a Chess Game you already know the major plays in. Even when someone has good character moments, it's as a result of them being able to stop and breath for a moment before James Workshop shoves them along to make the plot go forward again.

With that being said: The Horus Heresy starts with our protagonist meeting all of his handsome and mysterious new battle brothers at a campfire under the stars in secret before he's sworn-in to their secret organization. It also has Sanguinius eating fruit in a robe while said protagonist just stares in awe. Fun books when read about the Emperor's most confused supersoldier.

[glass lintel]

It couldn't be any more gay coded if Alan Turing wrote it.

[shrewd silo]

Turns out I'm extremely gaydar blind to all sub text because I didn't even realise the whole manhwa that the MC and this other guy have a running gag of him saying super sus dialogue

Apparently to my female cousin it's me who's the strange one who doesn't presume every man is automatically gay

After she pointed it out it was kinda obvious

[glass lintel]

Y'see, the GG books were always a miss for me because ||the inherent issue with saying "this universe is so deadly and dangerous" is that the longer the series goes on, the less deadly and dangerous it feels as they need to increase the stakes to keep you buying new books. It almost felt like a cop-out at that point because Gaunt had survived so much you're kind of surprised it took anything less than literally facing Khorne in the Warp to kill him.||

[shrewd silo]

||Well its book 11 out of like I think 16 so you know he's sticking around for a while.
I don't really mind them keeping him alive if hes alive hes fighting suffering with the ghosts and thats basic all you need for a good story||

[frigid karma]

youwouldntgetit.gif

[stoic furnace]

Honestly I had less that issue, and more I started really getting bored. Their is a lot of repetition that you start detecting in GG, and also the suspension of disbelief that this IG regiment with no homeworld can get pulled into dire conflicts and somehow keeps not running out of manpower, like un-named troopers keep regenerating for plot reason off camera.

[glass lintel]

Realizing that Ciaphas Cain and Gaunt's Ghosts are very close to being the same series, I think the difference is that at least Cain is having fun or getting fed-up with what's going on. That adds a lot for myself.

[stoic furnace]

The Cain novels are fairly self aware in a enduring way.

goes through a lot of effort to make Cains survival absurd, but somehow believable

something that Cain himself regularly questions, and ackowledges its absurd

[hearty niche]

I mean there’s a book about two tech priests in love that “saved a planet from an invasion” by activating the virus bomb that only they had the encrypted key too which was just the day they got married or engaged something like that

[orchid herald]

Sandy mitchell writes can as a blackadder style character. Ghost is just a action novel extended into a epic.

[iron ore]

@tall phoenix on the third malus book, I can’t get enough

Finished the second book in one shot

[tall phoenix]

lets gooo

Malus' series ends a bit briefly and his death in the End Times is shit but that doesn't stop his series from being greta

[iron ore]

Lots of characters suffered brutal and quick deaths in the end times and that’s okay imo

Like brunner shoots a pistol at archaon with the hopes of killing him and then just gets slashed at the siege of some city in the north where chaos kills ulrics flame

Lokhir fellheart gets disemboweled and watches the world end on a beach as he bleeds out

Mazdamundi gets blown up

[tall phoenix]

These homies were not messing around

[iron ore]

It’s so funny the dark elves were the good guys of fantasy all along

[tall phoenix]

LMAO

[severe trail]

I can name more characters with shit deaths then good deaths in Endtimes ngl

[loud helm]

archaeon getz kicked in da nutz by grimgor da biggest baddest of the orkz

[iron ore]

I’m about to finish the third book, I can’t believe you’ve done this to me

3 books in a week

[iron ore]

What’s your favorite and least favorite end times death

[tall phoenix]

LMAO BRO

[digital saffron]

Siggy embracing his inner Dork Elf

[iron ore]

Why did you unleash Tzarkan upon me dilara

[tall phoenix]

I was just a lil gal

[severe trail]

Least favorite Thorgrim

[iron ore]

My goal is to have the remaining 3 or 4 down by Sunday

[iron ore]

So true

[severe trail]

Favorite prolly goes to Karl Franz’s death

Or Ikit claw

Franz because it shows the utter hopelessness of the situation and how sometimes you can try your best and still fail

[iron ore]

I love when my beloved childhood heroes had swift deaths just for ten of them to be reborn as league of legends characters in a new universe as I entered college in 2016

[severe trail]

And Ikit Claw because he fucking nuked the black pyramid of nagash into a pile of rubble

Which goes hard

[iron ore]

I’m very excited for the return of the old world

Memes aside Age of sigmar has some fantastic books and is really a refreshing and unique universe

[severe trail]

But Ikit claws death is ???

I don’t think it’s ever been confirmed

[iron ore]

I don’t remember

[severe trail]

But I have no clue how he could have survived turning the black pyramid of nagash to rubble

By digging into it

[iron ore]

Climbed into a fridge probably

[severe trail]

And planting a nuke

[iron ore]

https://tenor.com/view/fridge-indiana-jones-fridge-hiding-in-fridge-nuketown-gif-17865546

Ikit under the black pyramid be like

[severe trail]

Lol

[iron ore]

Finubar had a funny death

Malekith was like yoooo wassup P-SSY what it do locked up in your tower fuck you bitch

comedy ensues

I’m gonna make a lore channel reading shit in my New Jersey accent and coughing inbetween copywritten art panels and make millions

[severe trail]

Lol

[iron ore]

Just finished the third malus darkblade book

If I read the fourth by Sunday I’ll have broken my books read in a week record with 4 books read in a week

[tall phoenix]

lets goooooo

[iron ore]

I’m just not looking forward to the last book at all lmfao

I know it was a rushed end times book given to Clint Werner instead of abnett and Lee which is ANNOYING

[tall phoenix]

yeaaaah it sucks

but alas we all must make sacrifices 💀

[iron ore]

Then I do Tyrion and teclis omnibus next

I can’t wait to do a malus campaign on Sunday

[tall phoenix]

Reading his book seires was half the reason I was hype-af when his DLC for Total War was coming out

[iron ore]

He was my pfp on a few forums when I was a kid but I only had read lore pages lmfao

[tall phoenix]

[severe trail]

Lol

[wintry blade]

Are there any other trazyn books beyond war in the museum and of course infinite and the divine?

[tall phoenix]

The Fall of Cadia book has Trazyn chapters in it and he is amazing and true to character since its Rath writing him once again, but alas hes just a side character in it.

Aside from that unfortunately not really

[wintry blade]

Darn

[tall phoenix]

Yeah sucks

this is the fate of being a xenos fan.

[wintry blade]

GW try to give interesting xeno characters books challenge (impossible)

[tall phoenix]

You're gonna be lucky getting a 3 in a year 💀

[wintry blade]

It’s not bolterporn so it won’t happen

[tall phoenix]

YEP

[wintry blade]

Even though I’m fairly certain xenos sell pretty well considering, idk if it’s as well as imperium but eh

[tall phoenix]

but as we keep recommending you id highly suggest the Path of the Dark Eldar next, its Pre-Rift 40k and really good.

[tall phoenix]

Xenos sell but not enough compared to Space Marines

[wintry blade]

Yeah I’ll have to pick them up

[tall phoenix]

Yeee its 3 books, get an omnibus

[wintry blade]

I’ve a few more necron books to read yet though

[tall phoenix]

Excellent

definitely Twice Dead too

just be warned its not "fun", more just depressing

[severe trail]

I love depression

[drowsy urchin]

it still has some very fun moments

whilst being one of the best 40k stories all together

[frank mirage]

so suddenly out of nowhere amazon has an omnibus listed again which i have been trying to find for nearly a full year now

out of nowhere saviour of the imperium is available again

[tall phoenix]

431

yeah no thanks

[frank mirage]

i bought this for 10 bucks luckily

saviour is the only one im missing but its been one of the most elusive books ever

[iron ore]

I love having a kindle thank you Amazon

[iron ore]

@tall phoenix it’s time for your daily siggy ping and update sadly

I’m about to start book four of mr dark blade, my fave part of book 3 was when his sister had taken him over and he was a heroic military commander for about 100 pages

It’s so funny seeing how he could be a heroic type character if he wasn’t such an ASS HOLE

[tall phoenix]

Lmao ikr

but alas Druchii society is like comically evil

[iron ore]

Insane they were the good guys all along

I remember saying that on 4chan during the end times and getting ripped apart as a teenager

“And I’d be like but malekith is the true pheonix king?”

“How can he be evil if he was destined to be the most noble of elves?”

grognarding ensues

[tall phoenix]

Its why I love em

no nonsense, they are just assholes

[shrewd silo]

He is the most noble elf.

[iron ore]

Halfway through the fourth book, he’s still evil

[tall phoenix]

hes just a goober

[digital saffron]

he's just a

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_oc746iwhA&ab_channel=HenningBjørnstad

[iron ore]

Kurwa bober

I can’t stop reading these books man, my gf fucking hates me as she’s a constant reader and she has finished one book this week while I’m about to finish my fourth, my eyes are bloodshot and strained, but with hate anything is possible

[tall phoenix]

LMAO

to be fair

most warhammer books are like uh, 200 pages or so?

That is really not a lot

[digital saffron]

BOBER

[iron ore]

The dark blade books are about 400 each

[tall phoenix]

oh right

💀

[iron ore]

Not to suck myself off but I have always been an insanely fast reader

[tall phoenix]

thats normal tbh

[iron ore]

Sucking myself off? Of course

[tall phoenix]

[iron ore]

Almost done with the fourth book

This one is just straight up violence

[astral delta]

I've seen a rumor floating around that Nate Crowley is working on a LoV vs Necrons book.

I've only seen it on reddit though so take it with a grain of salt

[drowsy urchin]

Man that would be amazing if it turns out to be true

[orchid herald]

Any new faction rumour out to be in 10th? As there a reducated on the codex list. Same as they did with custodes and ethier lov or weorld eaters in 9th.

[tall phoenix]

@astral delta @drowsy urchin

[drowsy urchin]

A short story

I'll take it

it just means it won't have an audio book version of it

[tall phoenix]

Xenos fans will appreciate anything they get from abusive dad GW

[tall phoenix]

Emperor's Children for the REDACTED one probably

[drowsy urchin]

I am very doubtful of that but it is not impossible

for WE we heard about them like 2 years before they were released and we've heard nothing about a EC faction release

[forest spruce]

Nah its the second legion they are revealing

But wouldnt EC make the most sense since all of the other gods have there own legion codex?

[tall phoenix]

pretty much yeah

its why it was my assumption

they'll prob tease em beforehand, we got until the Summer of 2024, thats a lot

[boreal spindle]

what's a codex?

[digital saffron]

Rule/Lorebooks for factions on the tabletop

[boreal spindle]

the entire lore originaly came from the tabletop game or some kind of books?

or both in some way?

[digital saffron]

Mostly the tabletop

The lore in it's entirety is basically just set dressing for the tabletop lol

[boreal spindle]

tech priest are on the emperor side? if so how come they talk about the Omni god guy but fanatics keep repeating theres only one god and it's the emperor

[digital saffron]

It's generally accepted by their Cult that Emps is the Omnissiah

Which is in essence their Jesus figure

They worship the Machine God, the Omnissiah is it's will made manifest or something along those lines

[boreal spindle]

emps = emperor?

[digital saffron]

Ya

[boreal spindle]

is the emperor on the same page as for being the Omnissiah?

[digital saffron]

It was his design yeah

[boreal spindle]

aigh't lel

[digital saffron]

Getting them to believe that and serve him was easier than subjugating Mars back when the Great Crusade was about to kick off

[boreal spindle]

other then humans there other martians that are on the emperor's side?

[digital saffron]

I don't think I understand

[boreal spindle]

i know the empire as the "man kind" faction

is there other living races that are on the empror's side? which are not abhuman

[digital saffron]

Nop

[boreal spindle]

i know theres the Ogryns and "ratling folk"?

oh

[digital saffron]

Those are just human subtypes

[boreal spindle]

are there female ogryn?

[digital saffron]

Ye

[boreal spindle]

aigh't sweet, thanks for answering

oh

hol' up

is there an end game plan or the emperor just expands to look for other aliens to fuck around with?

[digital saffron]

I mean he's pretty occupied being dead atm

[boreal spindle]

oh

[smoky bronze]

Sort of dead

Complicated

[digital saffron]

The end end game was to get humanity to ascend to a psychic race or something like that

But frankly we dunno

[boreal spindle]

are the people aware he's dead and theres just lots of propaganda making people belive he still exsists?

[digital saffron]

We should also probably take this to #40k-lore-chat

[digital saffron]

Nah him Martyring himself is a pretty big point

[boreal spindle]

i would but they weren't nice to me there

they even deleted my msg saying it agents the server rules even doe it wasn't

so i think they got thier eye on me there

ahh aigh't

[digital saffron]

Same people are in this chat

[boreal spindle]

so... the emperor left instructions for folk to continue?

[digital saffron]

shrug

Didn't really get the chance

[boreal spindle]

how old was he when he kicked the bucket?

[digital saffron]

About

Errrrr

[smoky bronze]

The imperium is kind of an aimless bloated thing at this point

[boreal spindle]

<_>

[digital saffron]

Older than 30k years old

[smoky bronze]

At least 33 thousand years old i think?

[digital saffron]

He was born a hittite in Anatolia

[floral obsidian]

Supposedly in 8000BC

So theoretically would be almost 50000 years old

[boreal spindle]

do people precreate only naturally or theres other ways of making people

i heard they clone some Krieg guy

[digital saffron]

There's ways to clone but it's arguably not cloning?

[floral obsidian]

Some plants grow people in Vats, but it's highly uncommon

[digital saffron]

Like the tech is there but the imps don't really use it

[boreal spindle]

imps?

[digital saffron]

They do more artificial embrio type deals

[digital saffron]

Short for Imperials

[boreal spindle]

aigh't

during darktide events, the emperor is alive or dead?

[floral obsidian]

Dead

[boreal spindle]

how did cadia exploded?

[floral obsidian]

He's in a pseudo state of "undeath". Physically alive, strapped to the golden throne, but he's essentially a husk.

Abaddon the Despoiler crashed a Blackstone fortress into the planet

[digital saffron]

This got dropped on it

[floral obsidian]

It's pretty large

[boreal spindle]

it's at a size of a planet or something?

[digital saffron]

Moon at least

[boreal spindle]

or it just fell into a certain weak spot?

how do you even drop something like that? ain't it supposed to have it's own gravy force?

[floral obsidian]

It can fly

[boreal spindle]

or laws of physic work difrently in this?

[floral obsidian]

It's a space ship

[boreal spindle]

who flew it?

into cadia i mean

[forest spruce]

It was pushed into cadias gravity well

[digital saffron]

It's generators got crippled so a good chunk of the Black Fleet rammed it and sent it flying into the planet

[floral obsidian]

Chaos did

Abaddon the Despoiler

[boreal spindle]

how come those dreg, poxwalkers and other folk get corupted but the other don't?

you need to do it willingly?

[digital saffron]

Gameplay convenience

[forest spruce]

Will power and plot armor

[digital saffron]

And the scabs are still "new"

[boreal spindle]

scabs are the armor guys?

[digital saffron]

Though also pretty deformed if you look at them

[boreal spindle]

they seem abit more "with thier senses" then the other ones

[floral obsidian]

Yeah. Not too sure on the lore of dregs vs scabs. I'm sure we'll know more as the darktide series progresses

[digital saffron]

I'd argue they're almost more out of it

[boreal spindle]

are pox walker just brain dead or it's some kind of hive mind thing?

[digital saffron]

Since they genuinely think they're doing the right thing

[floral obsidian]

It's a disease. Theyre just zombies essentially

[forest spruce]

Poxwalkers are aware but are suffering from locked in sysndrome and have no control of there actions

[boreal spindle]

the scabs (the armored guys) are also infected?

[digital saffron]

Ye

[boreal spindle]

they don't act like zombies, they talk and use weapons

[digital saffron]

I mean take a look at the bruisers/shotgunners

[floral obsidian]

Nurgle kinda infects everything he controls. It's sort of his thing

[digital saffron]

Or the bomber

[floral obsidian]

Youll never really find anything nurgle-y that doesn't look horribly disgusting

[boreal spindle]

so it is a hivemind thing?

why pox walkers walk with thier body all over the place but the scabs don't since thy're infected with the same thing?

[floral obsidian]

I don't think they are infected with the same thing. Pox walkers are infected with nurgles pox (I think there's a diff name, someone can correct me), but the scabs have received nurgles blessing, to a small extent.

[boreal spindle]

enforcers must be psykers?

[forest spruce]

No

[floral obsidian]

Which makes them ugly and deformed, but they don't lose their personal autonomy

[boreal spindle]

you can only be born a psyker or you can also become one?

[floral obsidian]

The hivemind is a thing only among Tyranids

(which we may see genestealers in later patches)

[boreal spindle]

so theres more diseases the makes you hostile to others

[floral obsidian]

You have to be born a psyker

Nurgle has millions of diseases

They all do different things, but they all have a central theme of decay

[digital saffron]

Nah you can get psychic powers

[boreal spindle]

do psykers go to some kind of psyker camp to controll thier powers?

[digital saffron]

Through various means

[boreal spindle]

i heard most of the psykers get fed to the emperor, how does that work?

[digital saffron]

They're typically taken away on blackships to either be fed to the Golden Throne or trained

[forest spruce]

1 poxwalkers are basically just zombies there is no hivemind for them. 2 enforcers are just normal humans but santioned psykers can be sent to assist them.

[floral obsidian]

Can you? My understanding is you can have latent psychic powers, but are born with them, and discovered later

[digital saffron]

You can

Sorcery lets you do it iirc

Also there's drugs that let you manifest psychic stuff

And from what I remember it can even be trained

[forest spruce]

Sorcery is different from being a psyker i thought

[floral obsidian]

They seem to be synonymous

[boreal spindle]

daemon hosts are psykers that "awoke"?

[digital saffron]

No they're possessed

[forest spruce]

Daemonhosts are possessed himans

[floral obsidian]

Daemonhosts are warp creatures anchored to reality through a host

[boreal spindle]

what are daemons?

[digital saffron]

It is but I think it can be used to unlock psyker stuffs

[floral obsidian]

The mortal body binds the daemon to the material world

[forest spruce]

Daemons are daemons, creatures of the warp who eat souls

[digital saffron]

These nice and reasonable things

[floral obsidian]

Daemons are just creatures that live in the warp. It's sort of a catch all for everything born on the "otherside"

Although they're referred to sometimes as the neverborn

[boreal spindle]

they force themselfs into hosts or you need to do something inorder for a daemon to get to ya?

[floral obsidian]

Both

Depending on the circumstances

You can give yourself freely via ritual, or if the viel between the warp and real space is thin enough, daemons can jack your body

[boreal spindle]

is one of the psykers in darktide aware he's in a video game or something?

he has a voice line where he's correcting the sub tittles

saying he wishes the other characters were real

[floral obsidian]

Oh

[boreal spindle]

and he looks at the player sometimes during the loading screen

[floral obsidian]

Yeah, depending on the character creation you chose, there is a psyker variant who is crazy

[boreal spindle]

just a jist from the devs or it has something to do with the lore?

[floral obsidian]

Literally crazy

[severe trail]

Just a fourth wall break

[floral obsidian]

Thinks he's in a dream

[severe trail]

It’s the German sounding psyker

[digital saffron]

That's Loner psyker

[severe trail]

With the 4th wall break

[digital saffron]

He says Foreshortened lifespans

[severe trail]

Only the male one?

[digital saffron]

Which sounds like Four shortened lifespans

[boreal spindle]

so just a dev joke?

[severe trail]

Yeah

[digital saffron]

Both do

[severe trail]

Nvm then

[digital saffron]

I think anyway

[severe trail]

Point being psykers sometimes can uh

[digital saffron]

I don't hear fem loner much

[severe trail]

See too much

That’s prolly an instance of them seeing too much

[floral obsidian]

There's a reason why pskyers get gobbled up by black ships

[severe trail]

For example in game, the beast of nurgle is a daemon

[boreal spindle]

they feed the psykers to the emperor so he can keep on being in that half dead state?

[severe trail]

they usually break into reality via rituals or holes in reality

[boreal spindle]

oh

[severe trail]

and need to maintain their presence somehow

[floral obsidian]

Most psykers are just killed or shipped to Terra. Very few are allowed to do anything, due to how dangerous interacting with the warp is.

[boreal spindle]

so if a daemon gets through he can start a whole faction and war

[severe trail]

**Which means there's a hole in reality in Tertium somewhere **

since the beast of nurgle is sustained and most likely not a fresh summon

[floral obsidian]

Correct

[severe trail]

Yes

[boreal spindle]

dam bro that's crazy

[severe trail]

unironically the Cult of Admonition might have started because of a Daemon

who knows

[floral obsidian]

Technically, as regular humans, if you even saw symbols of chaos, you'd start to lose your mind

[severe trail]

mmm

[boreal spindle]

what if he's "beloved" it one of them o.o

[severe trail]

Chaotic taint

[floral obsidian]

If you see a daemon, you go crazy. Either corruption or death

[severe trail]

Beloved is like

99.9% chance of being a demon

[boreal spindle]

lol

what if it's a nice daemon?

[severe trail]

if you have strong enough will power no, but also thats rare

[severe trail]

don't exist

[boreal spindle]

:[

i mean

[floral obsidian]

We don't actually know what

That

[severe trail]

well

there prolly are some

[boreal spindle]

at this point i don't really see good and bad

[floral obsidian]

They may, and they may be getting consumed in the warp

[severe trail]

but My Beloved is uh

[floral obsidian]

Like Legion of the Damned

[boreal spindle]

just the eeky ones and humans

[severe trail]

Is probably not

[boreal spindle]

lol

[floral obsidian]

Likely imperial daemons. But cannot be confirmed

[severe trail]

a shard of the emperor

[boreal spindle]

ofcourse not

shes with the 0.1

[severe trail]

They practically speaking act like Daemons

[boreal spindle]

%

[floral obsidian]

Same with saints

Warp creatures that are on the imperial side

[severe trail]

Have weapons that ignore physics + armor, incredibly durable, cause vox's and recording devices to freak out, can get banished via being cut off from the warp

I'd say that the Legion of The Damned pretty firmly count as daemons

Imperium aligned ones, but if it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, floats like a duck, I'll call it a duck

[floral obsidian]

It'd agree, but I can't say definitively.

[severe trail]

true

[boreal spindle]

are there any aligetions that the emperor himself is a daemon?

[floral obsidian]

GW may never tell us

[shy lark]

In the warp it could be a gorilla instead, it's hard to say

[severe trail]

No because anyone stupid enough to say that out loud

would literally get killed on the spot

[floral obsidian]

No, but he does get referred to as a "carrion lord"

[boreal spindle]

lmao he's a daemon

[floral obsidian]

The loner psyker calls him that

[severe trail]

He's confirmed to have been a human originally

nowadays he's uh

[floral obsidian]

He eats human souls

[severe trail]

not

quite all there

[floral obsidian]

Yeah, he's a weird thing now.

[boreal spindle]

blob

on the golden throne

[severe trail]

Somewhere inbetween warp entity and incredibly powerful psyker

[floral obsidian]

And maybe a god

In the literal sense

[boreal spindle]

golden throne is just a throne or it has other segnificance?

[severe trail]

Golden Throne is Old Ones tech

[floral obsidian]

Other significance

[severe trail]

^

No one knows how the fuck to fix it

[boreal spindle]

who are the old ones?

[floral obsidian]

It's a highly advanced life support system

[boreal spindle]

fix? the golden throne is broken?

[shy lark]

They were definitely frogs

[severe trail]

the ones who created most life in 40k

Those are Slann smh

[floral obsidian]

The nemesis to the necroms

Necrons

Or at the time, necrontyr

Before their uh.... Change...

[severe trail]

They died out after the War in Heaven + Enslaver plague

[boreal spindle]

are the old ones are common knowledge withing the 40k universe or it's lost history?

[shy lark]

The Deldar had a go at it, no? I'm not sure they figured out how to just keep it trucking on for now or not

[floral obsidian]

I'd say lost history

[severe trail]

Common Knowledge to Eldar and Necrons

[boreal spindle]

...

[severe trail]

for humans the Horus Heresy isn't even common knowledge lol

[boreal spindle]

should i just start reading the books?

[floral obsidian]

Yes

[boreal spindle]

where do i start?

[severe trail]

A haemonculus assumed he could make it work properly

we have no indication of if he was truthful or not

[floral obsidian]

If you are interested, I have the entire Horus Heresy collection digitized I can PM you. It's all in PDF format.

[severe trail]

besides he was going absolutely insane

from all the suffering on Terra

[boreal spindle]

that would be cool

[severe trail]

like an all you can eat buffet

[shy lark]

Read Dead Men Walking because it's my favourite

[severe trail]

except its human suffering

[boreal spindle]

i would order books but the borders are closed to mail atm

[floral obsidian]

There is no good place to start.

My advice is find something you like, and start reading.

40k isn't a story. It's a setting, and stories occur within it.

[severe trail]

^

this

[boreal spindle]

oh

[severe trail]

If you really want like an outline of the setting

[boreal spindle]

so...

[severe trail]

get your hands on the 8th edition rule book

it has a run down

[boreal spindle]

which one adress the vermentide 2 events?

[floral obsidian]

I started watching YouTube videos about the siege of vraks, and then started reading Horus Heresy

[severe trail]

Thats warhammer fantasy

[boreal spindle]

or the closest to it?

[severe trail]

It occurs during The End Times

The End Times

have terrible writing

[floral obsidian]

Vermintide 2 is a different setting altogether

[shy lark]

I see, ended up dropping it eventually because the writing style wasn't grabbing me. I don't remember too much

[floral obsidian]

DO NOT

read those

[severe trail]

Don't read the end times

its awful

[floral obsidian]

You will be sad

[severe trail]

it could have been good

there's some stuff that was good in it

most of it was bad

like around 70% lol

[boreal spindle]

sad cuz awful or sad cuz sad?

[severe trail]

Sad cuz bad writing

[shy lark]

mostly bad

[boreal spindle]

or it's too awful to read?

[severe trail]

its just bad writing

[floral obsidian]

Sad cause awful

[boreal spindle]

who are the authors of 40k?

[floral obsidian]

I'd avoid Warhammer Fantasy lore honestly. It's how I started my Warhammer journey, but I don't recommend

[severe trail]

There's a lot

[floral obsidian]

There are dozens

[severe trail]

like a lot a lot

[shy lark]

A lot of Warhammer Fantasy is cool, but it's not the same as 40k

[severe trail]

^

[boreal spindle]

dozens? how they sync?

[severe trail]

They're all under the same team

and they usually don't write

[floral obsidian]

Through the imperial might of games workshop

[severe trail]

the same serise

Most books are one offs

or duology/trilogy's

very few ware long running series

[boreal spindle]

like... it's kinda fan cannon?

[severe trail]

No

its canon

[floral obsidian]

No no, it's all legit

[boreal spindle]

but also not?

[severe trail]

No

its canon

except for like

the 5 books in heretical tomes section

[shy lark]

It's canon, contradictory and opposing as it is

[severe trail]

which are explictly non canon lol

[boreal spindle]

to be an warhammer author i need to join the team? if so how do i even start joining them? lol

[severe trail]

Get hired/contracted

[shy lark]

Sometimes Black Library holds contests where you submit your stories, I think?

[severe trail]

or get in via the once a year contest

to get a story in

[boreal spindle]

oh kk

[severe trail]

and they might ask for you again to write something

I do not pitty the people who have to read through the contests

[floral obsidian]

The thing with the books that you have to realize, is that the books are told from the imperial standpoint. Sometimes they lie, sometimes there are "record keeping" errors. It's by design, so that the fans can head canon a lot of their stuff

[boreal spindle]

yea

[severe trail]

Also yeah

literally no 40k book

except for like

the rulebook

has an unbiased narrator

and the Rule book is just a lore dump lol

[digital saffron]

A flavour text dump more like

[severe trail]

Ehh

you learn a bit of lore heh

but yeah

[floral obsidian]

You may read a book, where the story is objectively true, but will be subjective to the person the story is being told through

[boreal spindle]

fan fics can be cringe overloads some times

fan fic contest reader

[oak pollen]

looks at Fromsoft those can be the same thing

[boreal spindle]

oh man

it won't let me play gifs here

[floral obsidian]

I'd stay away from fan fics. There's some good fan head canon out there, but id avoid anything non official

It'll obfuscate your understanding of the 40k verse

[boreal spindle]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/812/649/82e.gif

[shy lark]

i.e. 40k fandom wiki

[boreal spindle]

don't worry

[severe trail]

Lexicanum >

99% of the time

[boreal spindle]

too busy to read fan fics

[shy lark]

Lexicanum is genuinely how I got started after seeing the DoW 1 trailer

It was fun honestly

[boreal spindle]

how does one become a space marine?

[severe trail]

Get chosen as a child

[shy lark]

Broadly speaking you enter a deathmatch as a child and then get brainwashed when you win

[severe trail]

get brainwashed and augmented

if you're lucky you'll live

[boreal spindle]

cool

[floral obsidian]

Lucky as in 1/1000

[boreal spindle]

too bad i'm not a child anymore

[floral obsidian]

maybe 1/10,000

[severe trail]

tbh

[shy lark]

I like how the Mortifactors do it, they just sweep down on cannibal planet and snatch a bunch of children before leaving

[severe trail]

based on Ultramarines like

genetic screening

its like 1/10000 lol

[boreal spindle]

do space marines live long?

i mean if they do survive all the battles

[shy lark]

Dante is about 1800 now isn't he?

[severe trail]

I think?

give or take

[boreal spindle]

who do i play as in boltgun?

[severe trail]

Malum Caedo

he's made up for the game

He's a sternguard veteran

[boreal spindle]

pretty cool

about the community

[shy lark]

I think a bunch die in their 300s to 500s from combat injuries, but that's more a hunch on my part

[boreal spindle]

actually nvm

the world seems pretty cool an all

[severe trail]

its less toxic then its ever been

which is an improvement but

more work could be done

[floral obsidian]

Space marines are immortal, technically speaking

[severe trail]

yeah

[floral obsidian]

They have additional organs which extend their life, supposedly infintely

[severe trail]

They just die in a battlefield

normally

[floral obsidian]

But dante seems like he's falling apart

Poor guy just wants to due

die

But sanguinius is like, nah

[shy lark]

Before he gets some blood he seems like an old and withered man in that book iirc

[severe trail]

Yeah

He’s back in good shape

[digital saffron]

He's a bit better post Primaris treatment

[severe trail]

Mentally he’s uh

Also better

[digital saffron]

[severe trail]

Not sure what I’d call running at angron to buy time

But not sane lol

[shy lark]

I assume he's still tired

[severe trail]

Yeah

[forest spruce]

I mean sometimes you have to fight angron

[floral obsidian]

Yeah, thats not a sane person move

A sane person does not do that

[forest spruce]

I mean you do whatvyou gotta do sometimes

[severe trail]

He just watched Belial get fucking flattened lol

Before charging in

[shy lark]

Belial got murked?

[severe trail]

No

He’s alive

He’s gona get primaris’d

The classic setup

[shy lark]

Ah, naturally. Near dead primarising

[severe trail]

Calgar broke the trope

By becoming primaris

And then almost dying

[floral obsidian]

GW gotta sell those models

[forest spruce]

Calgar getting bodied is just another tuesday for him

[severe trail]

At least they look good

[floral obsidian]

Agreed, they look sick

[shy lark]

Speaking of books, I just finished The End and The Death II and I can say Horus is a little b

[tall phoenix]

Horus is just bing chilling

[iron ore]

Book 4 done

[tall phoenix]

you're doing it Siggy

[iron ore]

I have read almost the entire malus series in a week

YOU DID THIS TO ME

[tall phoenix]

I WAS JUST SUGGESTING

[severe trail]

Lol

[vale wren]

Just finished the Ragnar books

Pretty good

I have purchased a financially crippling amount of space wolves as a result

[vapid sable]

Malus was a fun read I think

well... I only made it to the third book

read loads of the Warhammer Monthly comic

it's enjoyable, a protagonist whos just such a bloody minded bastard

though what he did at the end of the second book gave even me pause

I always like the idea of Malus being evil gotrek

[shrewd silo]

You recommend it if I like most of the gortrek and felix books?

[iron ore]

I like them much more but mainly because it’s the goriest warhammer series I’ve ever read and malus is an insanely evil asshole

[shrewd silo]

Nice will pick it up thanks

[iron ore]

Be aware books 1-5 are the original series and book 6 is a rushed end times tack on that’s a good book but a different style

[shrewd silo]

That's fine with me I'm currently going though the dune books and I heard 6 is kinda sort of a cliff hanger or something and then the author died before book 7 was made

[iron ore]

Yea his kids picked up the writing iirc

Same thing w tolkien after LOTR

[shrewd silo]

I also heard it's similar to matrix

Everything after the original is bad

[tall phoenix]

Thats correct.

[topaz plinth]

Christopher Tolkien just be like oh my father wrote this, Trust me

[frigid karma]

He held it down though

[tall phoenix]

yeah i will say Chris at least handled it better than Herbert's son

who literally just made the shittiest Dune "novels"

[loud helm]

yea chris also has like

a RIDICULOUS amount of unpublished token stuff

tolkien journaled and wrote all the time, so he has a bunch of stuff

but it's not really "canon" cause Tolkien didn't really write his books with a Canon in mind in the modern sense

there is a decent chunk of contradictory stuff

[tall phoenix]

Yeah he basically tried his best

Herbert's son meanwhile basically didn't understand anything about Dune and just posted his dad's work for quick bucks, people thankfully realised and dunked on his ass though so

[twilit plaza]

@marble yarrow hey

@abstract bolt heyy

@rain cypress hey

[tall phoenix]

@twilit plaza Sir, this is the book-channel lol

[timber oar]

Lads,
I am looking for an Imperial Guard book: Any recommendations?

[wide mica]

I enjoyed Witchbringer, it's about a Psyker in the Guard

[tall phoenix]

We got some books in the pins link, take a look there

[delicate gulch]

i finally finished horus rising and i can just say fuck erebus man if he didnt steal that blade everything wouldve been fine

[floral obsidian]

Everyone can mutually agree on fuck Erebus

[shrewd silo]

He did humiliate luscious I think

[shy lark]

Who hasn't at this point

[shrewd silo]

That's true the guys so vain he is probably worried all day about who's gonna hurt his pride next

[shrewd silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R16idQ2l0CI

[frigid karma]

GW fumbled so hard with their attack on fan content

I don't think people are particularly impressed with Pariah Nexus either

[digital saffron]

The only ones that attacked fan content were the fans

(Rip Sodaz 40k)

[drowsy urchin]

Pariah Nexus was great! Also that animation is by the same guys who made Exodite for WH+

[orchid herald]

they it out on content crerators beacuse people were Doing lore that they didn't approve of.

[digital saffron]

The actual issue was profiting off it

[shrewd silo]

morning star is the same guys who made exodite

[drowsy urchin]

Meant them, not people behind Pariah Nexus, my bad for being unclear

Actually don't know who are the people behind Pariah Nexus, nor what they've done prior

[frigid karma]

The one by the guy who did Helsreach is comfy

I love the visual style

[digital saffron]

It's M2 Animation, they did the trailers for 9th/10ed, AoS 3rd Ed, kill team

[drowsy urchin]

Right, the style is pretty noticeably similar

[digital saffron]

It's why it took so long for Pariah Nexus to release since they's busy making GWs stuff

[drowsy urchin]

Though Pariah Nexus looks a bit better

[digital saffron]

Probably more time to work on it

[drowsy urchin]

True

[digital saffron]

I don't imagine they had a lot of time on the game trailers(except maybe kill team?)

Like for 10th especially you can see a lot of stiff stuff

But that's not really there in PN

[tired remnant]

Never thought I'd enjoy astory about the Word Bearers because of Erebus and all I have to say I am really enjoying the first heretic and have just gotten past the point that gave me shivers it is very few times that I have gotten such a physical reaction to a book I'm reading but yeah this is amazing

Without going into spoilers let's just call it the pilgrimage scene

[tall phoenix]

Never trust the memes regarding the Word Bearers

Erebus might be a piece of shit but people love Word Bearers because they are just mustache twirling asshole villains and hide nothing about it while being holy fanatic madmen, its what makes them fun.

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-megatron-headshot-chunk-at-head-head-toss-gif-7995586

^ same energy

[swift yarrow]

Fuck Erebus.

[forest spruce]

I love erebus because hes so unredeemable

[wintry blade]

Pure unrepentant villain shit

In the book World Engine, is the necron pov ever shown?

[severe trail]

Don’t think so

[hidden crater]

Has anyone here read lords of silence ? If yes, do you think there's any hope for a trilogy ?

[swift yarrow]

Probably not unfortunately.

[cerulean peak]

I don't think so, the end of the book is open-ended though. The book builds up towards the plague wars are the beginning of the 13th black crusade so i'd recommend the Dark Imperium trilogy if you like nurgle things and want a kind-of follow up

[hidden crater]

Yeah but I want a nurglite pov >:[

[swift yarrow]

You won't find a lot of Chaos perspective, they're out there though.

The Dark Imperium trilogy has parts from Mortarion's perspective, so Pagliacci's recommendation would be the best bet.

[cerulean peak]

Dark Imperium has a lot of PoVs from nurglites perspective. Features Mortarion and Typhus a lot

And daemons

It's almost a 50-50 split between imperium and nurgle's forces pov

And the first book has some very interesting chapters but I don't want to spoil too much

Chaos chapters and Guilliman chapters were the best imo. The chapters featuring classic loyalist space marine stuff were less insteresting for me but they might be good for a fan of ultramarines I guess

Guilliman's PoVs are really nice though

I've also started the Soul Drinkers series and the first two books features nurglite antagonist but the first book was a drag

[swift yarrow]

Soul Drinkers are solid.

[tall phoenix]

"Chapters feautring classic loyalists marine stuff was less interesting for me"

Is what I apply to about half the BL book range.

[cerulean peak]

Yea lol. I'm talking mostly about ultramarines being ultramarines. Also that self loathing Marneus Calgar

[tall phoenix]

Truly one of THE Marines of all time.

[cerulean peak]

I liked the beginning of the first book... but I found the factions on all side to be especially stupid later on. Second book was really nice. Third one is the next on my reading list

[frigid karma]

Fabius Bile books are fun

[swift yarrow]

Newest one is funner

[tall phoenix]

Nah, Genefather is just scratching the surface

the Bile trilogy is spectacular in comparison

[wet holly]

Just finished the night lords omnibus.
I need a Sequel.

[severe trail]

Genefather suffers from

Like

It’s just too short

It should be longer

[drowsy urchin]

Finished The End And The Death Vol 2 today, very cool

hopefully Vol 3 doesn't take as long to come out as Vol 2 took after Vol 1

[tall phoenix]

Its literally a setup book ngl

Cawls fucks around in a ship

Goes to planet

Goes back to ship

Bile steals his shit

thats it

[severe trail]

Feels like there’s another half we haven’t seen 💀

[tall phoenix]

lmao

Yep 💀

[severe trail]

Should have kept bile stealing his shirt

SMH

[tall phoenix]

lmao shut up

[iron ore]

Old fabulous billy out here stealing

[wet holly]

bILLY on god fr

[iron ore]

Any good Tau books that are of the same vein as guard books?

[wide mica]

There's a Tau POV character in one of the short stories from The Book of Martyrs. It's mostly about Sisters of Battle but the author for that short story also does Tau stuff so it's a good little bit for them.

It's The Matyrdom of Sister Anarchia.

Good look into how they try to work with diplomacy against a force like the Imperium

[tall phoenix]

yeah but thats not a Tau book.

[cerulean peak]

Any books about Tau getting bullied by any chaos faction?

[wide mica]

Sorry, It's the only story I've read containing Tau, so is the only one I could recommend.

[severe trail]

Don’t think so

[severe trail]

Codex Tau Empire 8th edition

[hearty niche]

What would y’all recommend be the first book to start reading 40k with, I’ve been introduced to a lot of the factions through podcasts but haven’t done any reading yet

[tall phoenix]

We got some in the pins, take a look there

[shrewd silo]

What are you normally interested in regular media?

Like adventure story's or cop shows or horror or war movies

Or if your interested in one particular faction of 40k just start with them

[hearty niche]

Not big on body horror so dark eldar are out

Mystery novel sound cool though

[tall phoenix]

If you dont like body horror you won't be able to read most 40k stuff

[cerulean peak]

Cult of the Spiral Dawn is nice

[hearty niche]

Cursed with vivid imagination

[cerulean peak]

Otherwise, Eisenhorn books are always good to start

[severe trail]

Read assasinorum kingmaker

I am not bissed

I swear

[random marlin]

There are several novels and short stories by Peter Fehervari which have either Tau as PoV characters or even as the protagonists of the stories. Off the top of my head, there are:

• Out Caste (very short story about a Tau character)
• A Sanctuary of Wyrms (short story)
• Altar of Maws (short story)
• Fire Caste (novel)
• Fire and Ice (short story in the Imperium but linked to a known Tau character)
• The Greater Evil (short story about the Tau and, erm, something else)

If you haven't read anything by Peter already, as his style isn't for everyone, a good start may be Altar of Maws which is more action-focused and straightforward than most of his other works. And there's ||a female Ogryn named Coraline|| in it, which is undeniably a plus. I hope we'll get ones in Darktide too someday. 😉

I kind of skipped on the fact that you asked for books which are of the same vein of guard books, but Fire Caste, in spite of its badly chosen name (the original name was changed as GW was pushing for Tau releases at the time), is a guard book with them fighting Tau in a world "too lazy to be a deathworld, too spiteful to be anything else", Phaedra. One of the big inspirations for this book is obviously Heart of Darkness/Apocalypse Now, so let's say it's a lot less heroic and a lot more nihilistic than most guard books.

[tall phoenix]

The only thing I dislike about Fire Caste is the guard regiment in it is entirely modelled after the Confederates.

[digital saffron]

You mean the subtly named Arkhan Confederates?

[tall phoenix]

God

[iron ore]

Damn I'm gonna read fire caste

[vale wren]

I just read the Bjorn short story

Jesus fucking Christ

At least I finally found a story that's actually grimdark

In general I find that these short stories are much darker than full size novels

[smoky bronze]

The shorter the story the denser you can make the grimdarkness

For sale:
Baby shoes
Warp Tainted

[random marlin]

I don't remember if Peter told me that while we were chatting or if it was in an interview but basically he chose confederate soldiers as an obvious inspiration for the Arkan Confederates because he wondered "what regiment from history would be the most unfit for jungle warfare?" and he came up with them. I see other interesting things in this choice too as they actually won on their planet (the Imperium intervening on their side being the deciding factor) and they're a ||"doomed" regiment as they're sent on Phaedra to die there||.

I'm assuming you're american and that's what makes it uncomfortable? Like, I'm French and let's say the regiment would be inspired by French soldiers from Vichy (the French who collaborated with Nazi Germany) for instance?

[random marlin]

Well, I hope you won't hate it lol

[smoky bronze]

I think dilara doesn't like it because its very silly probably

There's a bunch of regiments that look like substantially more modern bad people to be mad at if that was the problem

[hidden crater]

Oh hi krieg

The guard sending regiments at the wrong place is pretty common, the dragoons get slaughtered in like the first Gaunt book iirc

[random marlin]

Oh, ok then, thanks. I didn't think of it because of the other well-known regiments with similar concepts such as the Vostroyans or the DKOK, but I understand. Peter also told me he kind of wished he had been less on the nose with the Arkan Confederates (notably their accent, which I didn't notice when reading, probably because English isn't my mother language). I usually really enjoy how he creates unique regiments in his stories, for instance with the Arkans having Zouaves, those nobles in exo-armours. That's a welcome change from most other guard books where it's almost always Cadians. Kind of reminds me when I was playing 40k 20 years ago and the game would encourage you to create your own unique regiments.

[smoky bronze]

Yeah i haven't read fire caste but i get the idea its kinda closer to having a regiment called "the napoleonics" who dress like napoleonic soldiers and speak period french

Just kinda... weirdly anachronistic if they're part of your culture

[random marlin]

You mean like the one I'm painting and using instead of DKOK? :p

[smoky bronze]

Yes

But ridiculous regiments are a tabletop staple

[random marlin]

More seriously, I understand as I've not taken into account the accent thing for the Confederates for instance.

And for my French-inspired regiment (which is also part of a RPG guard-focused campaign I'm GMing), I kind of had fun with their history, where basically it's distorted and they're not what they think they are.

One of my big inspirations for it was Mad Max: Fury Road where you can see how past elements of culture (Valhalla, McFeast) are all mixed together and not really understood. So I imagined (and it's kind of unfinished, but here's the general idea) that the planet they're from had a French-inspired culture, with the nobility being fond of the Napoleonic era. Then, with the time passing, the drawings had to be changed, replacing Napoleon with the God-Emperor for instance, and the planet history was gradually forgotten, replaced with the idea that their regiments helped conquer the galaxy with the 40k Emperor. They're a hive world producing lots of regiments so war is an important part of their culture, although they don't know that what they believe in from their planet's history are at best errors, at worst lies, and will never have the chance to realize it.

(and of course, that way, I can combine my interest for the Napoleonic period with my love for 40k 😄 )

[turbid bay]

Daemonculaba flashbacks

[wintry blade]

Damn, that’s a shame, I don’t get why more authors don’t write from both perspectives like every other chapter

Like in Brutal Kunnin’

I likely wouldn’t have read admech books, but the side of the story told by admech was still interesting to read

And now I have

[random marlin]

You may like Day of Ascension then, it's similar to Brutal Kunnin' in that aspect, with PoV characters from both sides (Genestealer Cults and Adeptus Mechanicus). Also, its author, Adrian Tchaikovsky, is an established SF author and it shows in the quality of writing.

[dapper zephyr]

f

[tall phoenix]

No I just don't like confederates

Theres a difference between making a regiment after napoleonic armies and southern asshats who wanted to keep people in chains.

[paper maple]

I was gonna say yeah lmao

[random marlin]

Oh, so my first assumption was correct, then. 🙂 Well, maybe Peter, being British, underestimated the bad blood still left after the Civil War, with some southerners still using the confederate flag up to this day and so on.

In my case, I read a lot about the American Civil War, played wargames and videogames about it too, so I see it more as a thing of the past. But I don't live in America so I'm not in contact with people defending the South's, er, values.

And at least, ||their fate in the novel, their sufferings (partly due to the feeling of superiority some of them display) and their history of being a doomed regiment due to what they did on their planet make it clear that Peter hasn't chosen them because he liked them ;)||

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its a good saving grace.

[iron ore]

I’ve unironically seen warhammer fans love Nazis but draw the line at the confederates

[turbid bay]

Why? Because one is older? Half of europe has plenty of reasons to despise napoleonic iconography

In my country Napoleon himself is a detestable figure

[tall phoenix]

No. One is just more cringe than the other lol

[turbid bay]

Both are quite cringe ngl

[paper maple]

Speaking as an American I find Confeds worse tbh

[turbid bay]

Well...of course

[random marlin]

Yeah, that's something I hesitated bringing up but the napoleonic French armies have committed atrocities in Spain for instance. It depends a lot of the cultural perspective.

[turbid bay]

They pillaged, raped and brutalized all of Iberia really

But "le funny short man"

[wintry blade]

Hm, I’ll have to check it out

[iron ore]

Thankfully Spain had Richard sharpe to save them

[smoky bronze]

I chose napoleonics for my example for a few reasons
Appropriate time period
Very recognizeable hats
Did atrocities (this ones pretty easy when you're looking at mobilized armies)

All the army vs army civil wars i know are too early or too late to be useful for the simile i think

[slow pilot]

i cant figure out how to get to the books on the new gameworkshop site

[tall phoenix]

I cant figure out how to do anything on the new gamesworkshop site

[slow pilot]

who made this!

[slow pilot]

i have been trying to figure out how to get to the physical book section for a week i can only find audio

[tall phoenix]

lmaoooo

[slow pilot]

this ui is a disaster

every time you want to change the book filter you have to go through all the lists again

[tall phoenix]

bruh

[wide mica]

Yea the new website is a mess

It's even worse in the paint section, the old website was great for it but now the new one doesn't even tell you which type of paint you're looking at sometimes.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah this isn't even being nitpicky, its legit awful

[severe trail]

new gamesworkshop site is

genuinely dogshit

[wide mica]

Friend nearly bought a bunch of Airbrush paints by accident because the website was saying they were base paints.

[tall phoenix]

what the fuck

[wide mica]

I think they've fixed it now, but still

It's still not great

[severe trail]

The airbrush paints unironically are better then normal paints for some colors lol

Since they're more thinned

[random marlin]

Which colors in your experience are better as airbrush paints (sorry, it's not about books but I'd like to know ^^)? I tried some metallic ones and I do find them easier to work with.

[severe trail]

The metallic ones, averland sunset, and zandari dust

[iron ore]

new website sucks ass, took me fuckin 25 minutes of refreshing and random clicking to order cold one knights and a dreadlord on black dragon

thus why I only buy models on ebay

[smoky bronze]

Web dev is hard and as people get more dependent on complicated frameworks it adds new and exciting ways to fuck it up

[drowsy urchin]

yeah and I could bet money on that the update was made because some shit in the backend was about to kick the bucket

could've done better job though

[severe trail]

They outsourced it to some other company iirc

[smoky bronze]

Web devs in 2023 be like
"Its time to serve some static content"
Installs 45 node packages

[wet holly]

Ive only ever seen kindles or audios on the black library site.
I do get all my books from the wh shop itself (website)

[slow pilot]

i didn't think it could get worse then it was before.

[orchid herald]

the ol website was great this one desgin for phone user in mind, it works alright on a phone it suck ass on a PC. the fact you can't view multiple factions, nor can you follow hyper links from WHC for pre-order's they break, if your not in the UK F*** you. since if you change your region to your home reguib you loose the Pre-order item, and it doens't show up in the What's, New release, and Pre-order Tabs. it sucks the old website was suprior in every way

[random marlin]

Let's hope they improve it. The 3D views are back already, which is a good thing... but there's still a lot to do.

[wide mica]

When do you think we're going to get the third book in the Bequin trilogy?

Like there was 9 years between Pariah and Penitent and Abnett has been a busy boy, so do yous think it'll be that long again?

[drowsy urchin]

I'm like 90% sure there will be news about it shortly after The End And The Death Vol 3 releases

[tall phoenix]

^

Theres already small teasers for it in Death and the End Vol 2

[wide mica]

I imagine they'll release a new Ravenor Omnibus at some point then as well

[iron ore]

@tall phoenix was this any good?

[tall phoenix]

Its incredibly Alright™️

follows a female sniper character who ||at the end gets taken in by the Tau and says that Tau are bad because they use conscripts then does a cringe moment where she runs back to the Imperium saying the fascists are better lmao||

I'd not recommend it.

[iron ore]

They had her reading /TG before she was taken lmfao

[tall phoenix]

Lmaoooo

but yeah its not a fun book, very generic.

would rather recommend Genefather

this novel doesn't have a lot going for it but its a fun read

[iron ore]

I’m craving guard doing squad level tactics against Tau

[iron ore]

Dilara, as an internet friend I love you but don’t ever recommend me guy Haley without a warning ever again

[tall phoenix]

How about, no

[tall phoenix]

Ah if thats the case then yeah read it.

[iron ore]

I’m jk I heard it’s good

I’ll take a look at both

Thanks again

[tall phoenix]

[drowsy urchin]

Genefather good

[severe trail]

Imperium Propagandamaxing

[wide mica]

Damn, I bought Longshot but haven't read it yet, I'd heard it was pretty good

[tall phoenix]

Its very much Guardsman Book

i had fun until the shitty ending

also just the whole

"OH NO HER ALLEGIANCE WILL BE QUESTIONED"

Literally doesn't even change sides and go backs to the fascists.

[paper maple]

Yeah i deffo felt like the book wasted my time a bit

I enjoy that stuff more when its like Minka Lensk where its obvious she'd never change sides so you just follow em around without any of that tension

[harsh token]

havent even got halfway through and now I go do a reread cause I lost my place 😅 of what I have read, I am enjoying it.

[tall phoenix]

DAMN thats an oldie

[orchid herald]

avarage it was okay, mabye a possible feature serries, butcompared to something like 101st it shavels in compassion,

[iron ore]

Yo isn’t that the mf that was fired from BL for copying war stories verbatim lmfao

That book is RARE

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/LUHKIFGIGf

[harsh token]

lol

[tall phoenix]

OH YEAH

I was like "where the fuck do I know that name from"

[random marlin]

Exact same thing for me... Earlier in the book, there's a scene where the main character (I don't remember her name, sorry) sees ||a Tau observing an aquila made by a child and seems curious, and not hateful about it||, and it was a moment of cognitive dissonance for her, so I thought "Oh we're going to explore that, this is going to be so interesting!". And then, well, battles, battles, more battles (with some nice touches about imperial propaganda) and the ending which was, well, unsatisfying to say the least.

It's almost as if the author was going to say something and then remembered "Wait, this is just a fictional universe about silly minis, let's not make things too deep" and then gave up on saying something meaningful.

On the other hand, I find the battle scenes well written, some of the depictions (||notably of the Tau society||) were nice and interesting. It's obvious there's a lot of work in this book. Just not on what could have made it original and thought-provoking.

Also, for a universe where "there is only war", I often find BL Guard books being so... soft about it, and often unconsciously glorifying it. The notable exceptions are the ones I prefer, such as Fire Caste or Fifteen Hours.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah pretty much by entire problem with the novel too, I was glad to see I was not overthinking it and a lot of people I know also thought the same thing about the ending overall, it definitely had a really weird vibe to it

[crimson hawk]

The feeling when you go to your local store that has 40k books and ask an all in one book for the horus heresy only to be told there is 64 books regarding it

💀

[tall phoenix]

Yeah

💀

[crimson hawk]

I was feeling comfy after seeing that the eisenhorn series was an all in one offer

so I was like

surely the horus heresy has something similar

[vale wren]

Your options are: watching a YouTube video that misunderstood half the lore and is literally incorrect about the other half, scrap knowledge from memes and shit people on discord say, or suffer and read the books

[crimson hawk]

💀

just been watching luetin90's videos regarding 40k

[tall phoenix]

It does but like the problem with the Horus Heresy is its entirely about Space Marines, the little characters you get are usually always put off as side-characters and it doesn't help that a good majority of the books are mediocre as shit.

[crimson hawk]

fair I just bought the very first one for 10€ so it isnt that bad

still need to continue the eisenhorn omnibus though

[tall phoenix]

Oh yeah the first 3-4 novels are great because it was written by an actual proper author Dan Abnett

[crimson hawk]

been having too much fun with darktide

[tall phoenix]

But uh

if you want a honest review of every HH book

https://youtu.be/I1m8gmu3Nyc