40k-book-club

[tall phoenix]

Yeah they deffo compliment each other really well

cant wait for a totally-not-surprise Trazyn cameo

[drowsy urchin]

where the fuck is my fall of cadia release

had to get gods of mars because had nothing else to listen to

lords of mars got pretty fucking boring for the last quarter of the book besides the very last chapter

hopefully gods is better

[forest spruce]

Ive been listening to cypher lord of the fallen and its pretty good

[slow pilot]

is genefather really already sold out

it just went on sale

[tall phoenix]

lmaoooo

damn people really wanted that book huh

[slow pilot]

it has to be a glitch becuase the harcover is already sold out also

[slow pilot]

if you go to the books page it says no longer available online but on the page of books you can pre order there is still the add to cart option and it says this item is not

[tall phoenix]

Yeah you'd see this sort of INSTANT out of stock thing from like a Siege book

there is no way it could have emptied that fast

[slow pilot]

is it a glitch

i know there arent a lot of die hard guy haley fans like i am so it doesnt make sense why it would be sold out so fast

belisarius is my favorite character i NEED THIS BOOK

[tall phoenix]

My condolences either way 💀

[slow pilot]

can you check and see if it works for you

why wont it work!

https://tenor.com/view/angry-panda-gif-25756884

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[slow pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-computer-mad-angry-gif-18413956748387057285

i will keep trying

[brittle tapir]

genedaddy

[tall phoenix]

[slow pilot]

has this happened before

[brittle tapir]

hardbacks always immediately go out of stock

[slow pilot]

no i have seen them last all day

it was never avaible

it was sold out when it was listed

[brittle tapir]

bots man

[slow pilot]

i just said i have seen them last for hours

[brittle tapir]

which ones

[slow pilot]

the last horis one

[brittle tapir]

the one you want is a signed hard copy. only 1500 were sold

[slow pilot]

leviathan lasted 2 days

[slow pilot]

ya i have a lot of those type of books

[brittle tapir]

scalpers immediately buy those signed ones

[brittle tapir]

you seem to pre order many things

lol

[slow pilot]

i read a lot

and im a collector

[brittle tapir]

is that helmet from fallout 4 or 76

[forest spruce]

Damn

People are feinding over genefather

[tall phoenix]

WE NEED

THE GENES

[forest spruce]

Oh my

[slow pilot]

76

I also have the pip boy from fallout 4

[orchid herald]

if your a collector and read many things your novel section seems quite small. explain your lack of faith in BL and middle management?

[sweet dawn]

Hey Wh Lore Scholars

I have 2 questions

So I read online that after the events in Vervunhive on Verghast, Merity Chass sometime later has Ibram gaunts child and names them Felyx Chass.
Question 1: is that canon ?
Question 2: if so, does Ibram Gaunt ever meet his child?

[wintry blade]

Are the Ghazghul books worth buying? (I need more Ork content to read)

[orchid herald]

yes and yes, too answear the question in more detail go read the rest of guants ghost till the the victory Part 2. it cannon due to the fact that it continued on throught the book serries. wether or not abnett universe is cannon different question they been using the Guant's ghost as a unit book since about 6th eddition

[iron ore]

Pokémon game ass currency

[brittle tapir]

fuck you for making me snort water

[sweet dawn]

Thanks ^^

[dull frost]

Anyone know what comic this is?

[loud helm]

i wanted to get the special edition of the lion el jonson book

but i never saw it for sale on black library 😦

[dusk vortex]

At the end of Godblight, there is a setup that G-man might be exposed as an usurper to the Emperor because he made and dissolved Imperium Secundus. Is that still a thing? or is it more widly known? I know G-man ruminates on it in parts of Dawn Of Fire

[tall phoenix]

Welcome to the Black Library thing of setting up plotpoints that will go nowhere.

Basically dont worry about it, Guilliman is never going to usurp the Emperor, people are paranoid in-universe and its a very dumb thing to do on his behalf.

[dusk vortex]

It doesn't make much sense anyway, now that the second part of the Triumvirate has awoken. And what are you going to do? The High Lords already got whipped and lashed for daring to dissent.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its just another dumb "oh no this is very bad!" setup that will go nowhere, don't worry about it.

40k's plot depends on money not on story-telling 💀

[drowsy urchin]

isn't it more-so about how 'that thing that almost happened 10k years ago is pretty much happening now and I don't know how to feel about this'

[tall phoenix]

It is but again its not gonna go anwhere.

setup no payoff is 40k's cornerstone since theres just so many authors.

[wintry blade]

Can you buy Prophet Of Da WAAAGH anywhere else besides black library? For some reason my debit auto declines transactions from BL and I can’t figure out why

[loud helm]

to be honest at this point the emperor is literally dead. guilliman had the support of lion el jonson and sanguinus who are the other two loyalist primarchs that actually had the administrative and political acumen to lead.

10k years after the fact there is even less reason to oppose roboute taking over the imperium

everyone even at the time knew that imperium secundus was not a rebellion or succession but a failsafe

and the way roboute was written it was very clear he was self aware of his desire to be emperor and it was that reason he didn't want to lead and wanted it to be sanguinus.

The Unforgotten Empire is a great book imo i like it a lot.

[drowsy urchin]

Agreed

[digital saffron]

It'd maybe be used as an excuse to sod off by people, but like you said dissident elements were already culled pretty hard, and imperial records are so fucked they probably wouldn't remember it anyway

[loud helm]

also roboute is basically almost as holy a figure in the imperial creed as the emperor. truly religious people will see him as like a holy savior even if he pushes through sweeping reforms

it would be like if moses woke up for jewish people and started writing new religious text. most likely most people would go along with it because hes such an important figure in the religion.

[brittle tapir]

yea but with the awakening of multiple primarchs it's like all of jesus's disciples returned back to life. Who do you really listen to in that case?

im sure GW will just completely gloss over the factionalism but im sure a lot of opportunists in the ecclesiarchy would love to use the lion as an excuse to say roboute shouldn't have all the power

[loud helm]

yea that's interesting for sure, but i don't think it really affects war and planet politics at the regional level

it would be a more self contained story than i think would be obvious

you think a space wolf cares who the high lords of terra are?

or the mechanicus? or the inquisitors?

[teal agate]

He’d been killing people for them ever since: good men. Sometimes, serving the Cabal seemed counter-intuitive. They were very obliging. They explained why a good man had to die, and why it was not a bad thing. The wetwork they had had him perform… damn. In Memphis, against the Good Man, and then more than a thousand years later in the City of Angels, against the Brother. Then in M19, against Holiard in the Glass Temple of Manunkind, and in M22 against Maser Hassan in the Spire Terrace before his Word of the Law speech."

-The Unremembered Empire, p80; Dan Abnett

[loud helm]

John Grammaticus was a dumbass but i liked him as a charater

perpetuals are a cool idea, its neat when 40k links to like... our world.

[brittle tapir]

I absolutely hate it when dan especially makes these links to our time

it just feeds the little goblins that try to apply their ideologies in 40k

and it's not even relevant to 40k lore at all

the emperor being alexander the great would not change anything about 40k

[ember barn]

hmm going shield ogryn+rumbler but wondering is it worth 25% toughness over 22.5% increased AoE

[slow pilot]

it will prob come up again

that is a recurring character who found the book

[brittle tapir]

my brother in christ this is the lore channel

[ember barn]

Pressed wrong tab tho its good for you need to improve ingame

[loud helm]

yea but those people have always been an annoying shadow to the 40k community. its not really the fluffs fault.

[real crater]

Soul drinkers cool chapter

[brittle tapir]

based

[random marlin]

So happy to see this: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/04/unravel-peter-fehervaris-dark-coil-series-in-a-special-edition-box-set/

For once, BL is giving some Peter Fehervari some love! And if I'm not mistaken, it's the first time the Dark Coil is used as a canon term anywhere out of Fehervari books and his fanbase?

That's weird, Fire Caste isn't in the anthology, though.

[quick moon]

Okay that is unexpected.

And very much deserved.

Hopefully it's a precursor to more Fehervari books

[slow pilot]

You know that meme that says

[does something]
does not elaborate
leaves

well im reading blackstone fortress and grek is the personification of that meme

they were about to crash so he takers a dead bird out of his bag and puts it over his face

another time he started rubbing his sweat on the wall

he got shot so he started eating a bug he kept in a cage lol

i love him

[tall phoenix]

Grekh is one of the best side characters in Blackstone Fortress

[split idol]

Been an entire year since I have bought the steel tread book

and I havent read it yet 💀

[tall phoenix]

Hahaha

looks at my shelf of unread 40k books

[forest spruce]

I just have a bunch of audio books

[brittle tapir]

i feel that

[slow pilot]

I can't stop

I read 16 of them

Wasn't able to get the new guy Haley book

[loud helm]

was godblight bad?

i kind of expected it to be bad

[slow pilot]

I loved it

Dark imperium is my favorite series

[forest spruce]

Yeah its pretty good imo

[loud helm]

neat.

i might give it a read through i have lots of time at work :>

[iron ore]

7/10

Best of the three

Has a plot point that goes nowhere
Opens up cans of worms in the lore that won’t be explored
Other than that it’s guy Haley bolter porn

[rocky delta]

Hey all, was looking at the 40k website and noticed the sub, do they add a reasonable amount of comics and videos in regards to the lore/book series? Love the books and some of the games but not really the tabletop.

[tall phoenix]

Which website do you mean?

[rocky delta]

https://warhammerplus.com/

[rocky delta]

Sorry if links are not allowed. Just getting out of like a 2yr depression so I feel really out of touch with discord and communities online.

[tall phoenix]

We arent that strict buddy don't worry

Basically the only stuff on Warhammer+ are white dwarf magazines, there isn't much else aside from Painting Guides/Loremaster vids which you can just get for free from youtube by much better content creators. The main selling point for WH+ is usually the animations which they have been slowly building up for 2 years now.

For comics GW doesn't really do them anymore minus stuff like Marneus Calgar's short comic run and an Adepta Sororitas one, you can just find these also for free online instead of paying for a real copy.

I highly suggest hunting down any site like comiconline that has issues of Warhammer Monthly saved, it was an attempt during the mid 2000's by GW to have a few minor comic stories and such for the fanbase before they stopped entirely after awhile.

[orchid herald]

the real reason for Wh+ is the lore books as some of them haven't been in print for over 10+ years

[tall phoenix]

Kinda but also no.

They got a lot of stuff edited down and removed.

[digital saffron]

The army builder as well right?

[tall phoenix]

The army sections of most of the books on WH+ is removed and edited down, same with the rules for some reason lol

[orchid herald]

most of the stuff they edited down is rule and model's comparing with the ogrinal books sometimes a map or an image here or there where it couldn't be helped

[tall phoenix]

Still a very dumb decision.

Just leave the books be.

[digital saffron]

From what I'm told if you're fully into the hobby stuff WH+ is worth it, but if you just want anims and maybe some old crap it's best to sub sparingly

[tall phoenix]

^

[orchid herald]

pre-face of every book

[tall phoenix]

Still, dumb reason.

[rocky delta]

Oh ok. That sounds maybe too niche for me then. Ill def try it out when I try the tabletop. One more if you don't mind. I'm currently reading the Horus heresy series. Was that a good point to start? I'm currently on the book "Descent of Angels: Loyalty and honour" but started at Horus rising

[digital saffron]

I wouldn't say it's the best start in particular, but HH has some of the better books

[orchid herald]

not disagreeing but some of it just sad, as unit lore and information were tide to the unit cards which makes stuff like unqiue chapter hero's vanish...

[tall phoenix]

[tall phoenix]

My big suggestion would be 40k youtubers and asking stuff in lore chat and so on.

[digital saffron]

Yeah we could always use the discourse

[tall phoenix]

[digital saffron]

Just avoid the strange people on youtube

[tall phoenix]

Also trying the 40k wikipedia or Lexicanum, one is literally copy pasting shit straight from codexes so you are basically reading GW material for free.

Lexi is just a miniaturized summary version for stuff you wanna learn more concretely.

[rocky delta]

Noooooo! I am def feeling some FOMO now. I just googled "Best book to start WH40k series" and found the highest voted thread

[digital saffron]

Hey it's the first book I read

Ultimately it doesn't really matter, if you've read some books you're probably "in" already

[tall phoenix]

Yeah you do not read to read 55+ Horus Heresy books

dont listen to the internet, most of these are fodder trash

[digital saffron]

The Big thing with starting points is getting you hooked in a digestible way

[tall phoenix]

[digital saffron]

So starting with Horus rising is p good since it's just a good book

So better to start with that than like, Nick Kyme salamander books

There's actual hundreds of 40k books, and not all of them are great you know?

[rocky delta]

NGL Graham McNiel is my pref writer. and yea I just wanted to start and luckily a lot of it is audio format so that really helps with work lol

[tall phoenix]

Yeah basically the best way to get into 40k is

pick something you like along with the faction/group

focus on them

expand to others from there

I've been a warhammer and 40k fan for like 11 years, its a fun ride before you become jaded like me

[rocky delta]

Yea I wanted to go chrono with the lore but I guess I missed the mark lol

[tall phoenix]

Yeah nah just start slow and learn

Also highly recommend these two peeps

https://www.youtube.com/@ArbitorIan

https://www.youtube.com/@Luetin09/videos

[lavish badger]

40k might not be the best series to do that 😁

[tall phoenix]

Maybe primarily Ian because his vids are mostly short but fun

[rocky delta]

Luetin is my fave. I like long form. Ill def check out Ian. Starting to dislike Majorkill and Brick though their personalities bother me

[tall phoenix]

Yeah trust me thats an unpopular but entirely correct opinion.

Ian is a great guy for keeping up with "current" side of lore and explorign the more niche parts of 40k, hes still a bit of a new channel but once you see his more digestible lore format I think you'll like him

[rocky delta]

Watching him now. Liking it! He seems to use info from all forms that are provided from GW which is nice

[tall phoenix]

He's a good lad! Happy to hear it

AND he also has some good vids like a HH series ranking video and also explaining the general 40k timeline, highly recommend those

[rocky delta]

Oh trust me Im binging this tn

[digital saffron]

Yeah they don't mesh well if you either dislike confrontational/macho or want to get more into things respectively

Bricky is "Dumbed down"s embodiment

[tall phoenix]

Yeah he says that stuff in his defense of "dont come to us for serious lore" even tho he spews out serious lore then his fans eat it up and just make the retellings of it worse lol

[loud helm]

i personally prefer HH quite a bit because it often feels more grounded and less campy but that's just my opinion

[digital saffron]

To me HH is just 40k MCU

[orchid herald]

Vaults of terra is a good place, also for lore while he hasn't been active for ages his older content is quite good for the background parts for 40k, while lutin is good, most of the 40k, lore readers generally start adding in fan-panndering and conjector filler to their vedio which is part of 40k with headcannon sure. and BL and codex's aren't very relible interms of flatting out contract dictions. SM espcially (thanks to Ward). or any of the major authors as they are a liscence to operate as they see fit. and it is upto the reader to choose wether or not they are allowed into their own understanding of 40k. some people will disagree with Last chacners about the time skip, dan's abbentt's writing isn't part of 40k and is set in the danverse. the GK are known to the Spacewovles sicne they never got mind scrubbed.

[digital saffron]

It's got some really good bits though

Sadly marred by endless, boring Primarch worship/discourse

[loud helm]

Well I like the MCU because to me it often (used too before disney +) feel more focused and grounded too outside of some major flops. stuff like combining inhumans and mutants had big potential too me but they fumbled that hard af. rip agents of shield.

that said I'm like very very casually into comics, i barely read them before mcu

[digital saffron]

I mean more that the discourse around primarchs is similar to like, major MCU chars and villains

[loud helm]

i feel like this is worse in the post warzone fenris / roboute awakening era of fluff

i get that, but that extends to era indomitus too

[digital saffron]

Well most of that harkens back to Heresy stuff

And I like most heresy stuff, just not primarchs specifically

[loud helm]

personally i find the primarchs in 42k are universally worse written and more boring to me

[digital saffron]

And most of the modern 40k discourse is around primarchs, and who's coming back

[loud helm]

take mortarion who is literally all over the place from spoilers I've read

idk, personally i love the primarchs as reality warping super human demi gods. i don't need them to literally glow golden and OHKO bad guys to think they are cool

like my favorite depiction of the primarchs is the duel between leman russ and magnus on prospero

where what's happening doesn't even make sense to onlookers, even other superhuman ones

but its still grounded in their character identity

i guess i probably like it more because its more "low magic" and chaos actually feels mysterious

the stakes also feel higher because its part of a tighter narrative of the heresy as opposed to 40ks ETERNAL WAR, or... status quo nothing changes

[tall phoenix]

Yeah but the thing to remember is this Primarch worship oversaturates the entire setting.

People in 40k lore circles talk about nothing but Space Marines or Primarchs. Even non-space marine imperial fans kinda get thrown in the ditch.

Some people just don't care about this stuff and it getting shoved in their face is annoying, and I say this as a 11 year long 40k fan lol

HH is a bloated cashgrab mess that needs to die already

[loud helm]

i feel like I've only read the best books by pure luck and that affects my opinion of it

[orchid herald]

the primary issue is that thhey been tuned down to more humanish level. even in table top compare to the HH, games of first eddtion and lore-wise theya re kind of indifferent Lion el johnson is nothing of those from the HH novel in the 40k univrse. he was dipicted as a master warrrior but their really nothing of the whole nobility or companion aspects of the lore, their no stratergist, or Tactician it really shows him being a combat-monoster. atleast on how i have read them.

[loud helm]

era indomitus feels SOOOOO Warhammer fantasy end times in that its advancing the story by a bunch of POSSESSED BY MY GOD A BATTLE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS WHICH CHOSEN ONE WILL WIN GRIMGOR KICKED ARCHEON IN THE BALLS WAAAAAA stuff.

[tall phoenix]

As a person that witnessed the End Times first hand trust me not even close.

No character is dying.

No faction is suffering.

Dark Imperium may as well not exist.

The Imperium is suppose ot be split in half but you'd have no idea from all the Primaris and new tech they get.

Everyone is fine, nothing is going to happen, status quo is kept.

[loud helm]

yea ig. feels very cartoonish and pg 13 too me and a lot of the 30k books I've read just felt on a higher level. not giving specific examples just a vague feeling i have

[loud helm]

lion el jonson is a great example

[digital saffron]

It's probably because almost all the mainline BL writers are dumped on Heresy

[loud helm]

true lol

[digital saffron]

For 40k there's a lot of newer writers

And it's the "active" setting, so marketing is probably more of a priority

Especially for the "Big narrative" that is the Indomitus crusade

[loud helm]

i mean during the heresy there was also more of a priority on developing the conflict in the SM and primarchs. like magnus fucking up with good intentions and then being betrayed and then being manipulated to give up on his more noble aspects. like that's a whole fucking thing with a lot of great personal melodrama AND huge world shaking implications.

then there is warzone fenris magnus AAAA I REALLY HATE SPACE WOLVES I'M THROWING AN ETERNAL TEMPER TANTRUM IN A DEMON NOW AAAAAA

2D character

feels like the actual character development was taken away from primarchs and handed to librarians lol

[digital saffron]

Think of it like this
A lot of 40k lore is set dressing for the product(I like the setting more though)
HH lore is the product

[loud helm]

ah, i see. i never realized it was that bad

i always thought HH was the secondary minor setting

i know they released a 30k game equivalent to 40k a few years ago but that's decades after 40k

i guess 40k is on of those things really shaped by your headcannon

[digital saffron]

Warzone Fenris in particular is a campaign thing iirc

40k has some nice stuff when they let the authors do stuff
Eisenhorn, Vaults of Terra, Cain GG, Spear of the Emperor, the Night Lords omnibus etc. Etc.

[loud helm]

cain basically got me into 40k lol

[rocky delta]

I think my personal fave stories was a Luetin video about a commissar and it followed his entire life I don't remember which but it was great

[digital saffron]

That's either Cain or Gaunt

Blackadder and Sharpe in space respectively

[rocky delta]

So wait the HH series isnt well received in the community?

[tall phoenix]

Kinda yes and no.

Die hard HH fans still admit a good chunk of the 55 main series is fodder nonsense

theres genuinely good books in it but its really outdone by the amount of bad ones.

[digital saffron]

It's pretty well received

But when it's bad, it's bad

[rocky delta]

Oh ok. Kinda like the Fulgrim book? wasn't really a fan

[tall phoenix]

Fulgrim book is just ok

I legit got no idea why people also call the ending gross

Its literally just generic chaos nonsense lmao

[rocky delta]

I think its just the character I didn't like. The parts involving Ferrus I really enjoyed

[tall phoenix]

Yeah Ferrus is fun when hes not the focus

when he is tho oof

[rocky delta]

Yea I've noticed that from some lore videos I've watched he seems like an ass when he is directly involved but when he's mentioned or has very few lines essentially he seems like a decent guy just very stern

[rocky delta]

Yea that opera scene is pretty on point for a slaanesh moment.

[tall phoenix]

[shrewd silo]

It's weird I actually like the fulgrim book the most.
It's not perfect but I mainly just like the humans falling to chaos and the bull shit drama

I had to drop the HH because it was just boring after a while

[drowsy urchin]

Having gone through all but the novella anthologies, Damnation of Pythos and Salamander books I'd say most are well worth the time

The singular one I didn't like at all was Battle for the Abyss

[iron ore]

Nick Kyme couldnt write his way off a page those salamander books are fucking snoozfests

[orchid herald]

less of a snooz fest then indomitable, grav thorpe is a good writer but man did he drop the ball there

[shrewd silo]

Only salamander book I started I also dropped

It's HH 27 I think

Was boring as shit

[drowsy urchin]

I had heard they were bad so I just skipped them for I don't have any extra interest in the chapter anyways

[loud helm]

Not to just drop a list but I read:
Horus Rising, False Gods, Galaxy in Flames, Legion, A Thousand Sons, Prospero Burns (I really like this one a lot), The Primarchs (Novellas), The Unremembered Empire (I like this one quite a bit too), Vengeful Spirit (cool book about Horus invading an imperial titan legion homeworld), The Crimson King (depicts the thousand sons struggling to put their lives together on the hostile world of the planet of sorcerers, really cool depiction of how Ahriman and Magnus' relationship deteriorated so bad)

i havent read any of siege of terra but like i know what happens roughly during the siege. So thats only 10 of the 60 odd books but these have all been pretty decent in my opinion.

So if the rest of it sucks I just got lucky and picked the good ones haha

[drowsy urchin]

there's plenty of good and even great ones you could still read, like all of the UM/WB saga (besides The Battle For The Abyss)

[loud helm]

I particularly love the absolute tragedy of the fall of the thousand sons because to me they represent the absolute best of 30ks humans and they get absolutely screwed. shows how evil horus truly is to allow that to happen and how horrifying the scale of the civil war was. burning of prospero is a gut renching read imo.

[drowsy urchin]

and the ones with White Scars are all good

[loud helm]

Maybe I should read more of the white scars stuff than. The only one I read was 'White Scars' and it was so cool honestly

jagathai like purged his own legion of traitors instantly and just handled it haha. if they bring him back in 42k i hope hes handled more like the lion and less like, idk... corvax or something.

ahhhh im a GHOOOOooooost noowww~

[loud helm]

i love Erebus as a villain because he literally just makes you so angry how dumb the stuff he says is. Like imagine this super genius demi god just being an absolute fanatic for an evil god almost purely out of spite and hurt feelings. It honestly makes him almost pitiably childlike despite how horrifically powerful he becomes and the massive amount of pain he inflicts on the human race.

[drowsy urchin]

Yeah Erebus is great, hate him

and love him

[loud helm]

love to hate him xD

[brittle tapir]

i think he's the smartest 40k character

he got revenge and achieved his goals while being so out of the way that nobody managed to kill him

now he just chills and does what he loves to do

[bleak patio]

hey i need some ideas for new books i could read
im nearly done with eisenhorn and have a little break on Gaunts gost

[shrewd silo]

Kingmaker

[mighty pier]

there any good 40k books not centered on the imperium?

all i ever hear about is human stuff, but theres so much more in 40k

[lavish badger]

"Brutal Kunnin" is said to be good: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/55372084-brutal-kunnin

[lost patio]

the infinite and the divine is known to be very good

[orchid herald]

josh renyolds. lukas while it is a SM novel it dedicates about 50% of it pages to Duke of the star seas.

[mighty pier]

thanks ill check those out

[shrewd silo]

Warboss

3 orks rushing for boss position after the previous warboss had a grot related problem.

[buoyant shore]

If you consider chaos marines not to be the Imperium, the Night Lords trilogy (ADB) is also quite good.

[tender marsh]

There is 'The twice dead king' serie. A necron dynasty story. That's the next story I'm gonna pick up. It was recommended to me.

[tender marsh]

It is!

[fiery patio]

I listened to that series on audible. thoroughly enjoyed them! Hence my Vet is named Oltyx :p The Infinite and the Divine is also a must!!

[fiery patio]

Ghazghkull Thraka: Prohpet Waaagh!; Ahriman Series; The Twice Dead King:Ruin and then Reign (Necrons) ; Brutal Kunnin (orks); The Talon of Horus: Black Legion, followed by Black Legion;

[tender marsh]

I'm also thinking about picking up that series on audible. Then I have a great time ahead of me 🥳 can also recommend "Gav and Bob" narrated by YouTuber 'a vox in the void'. A heartbreaking but lovely and enticing story about two Ogryns.

[rustic trail]

Never read a 40k book where should I start I am fairly new to 40k lore

I prefer the science fiction

[tall phoenix]

Look at the pin here buddy

Kentucky is a BL writer so she set up some starter books for people that ask this question with help from some other users.

[fiery patio]

Horus Rising isnt a bad place to start, but it is a slippery slope to starting the Horus Heresy which is a LONG SERIES.

Alternative starter might be Helsreach or the Armageddon Omnibus.

[mellow knot]

Just as a note, that list is always open to further suggestion, just let me know if you think something needs adding.

[dull frost]

Ciaphas Cain books are always a good start it's like Saturday morning cartoons

Or gaunts ghosts

[random marlin]

A small update about this subject: I spoke with Peter Fehervari and he didn't have a say in the novels chosen for the anthology, but could on the other hand choose the short stories in it, so he purposely chose short stories with the Dark Coil at their heart, and not to include the short stories taking place in Phaedra.

This way, a special edition with Fire Caste and short stories linked to Phaedra could be possible in the future. It is purely theoretical though, there's absolutely no way to be sure such a collection with Fire Caste and those short stories linked to Phaedra will ever happen, even if he hopes so (and I do too ;)).

[fluid yarrow]

https://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/novels/ebook-genefather-eng-2023.html

Bile vs Cawl

👀

[loud helm]

that's a cool premise.

[fluid yarrow]

I haven't read any of the FB books but I've enjoyed Guy Haley's other works.

[drowsy urchin]

https://vxtwitter.com/RobWritesPulp/status/1711189823002935645?t=vPMcKu-5qW4XD_pTubRLDQ&s=19

!!

Finally

[random marlin]

I'm really curious to see how Robert Rath's style mixes with the Imperial Guard and such a big lore event. 🙂

[brittle tapir]

gas anybody read the dark coil

this is the first time i've ever heard about it

[random marlin]

Well, I talk about it here a lot... maybe too much. 😅

[tall phoenix]

I have read a very long review of it by that Shas'kais guy on twitter, its VERY good as a read.

Literally is more or less the novelized version of Gathering Storm Book 1 but more focused on the battle of Cadia itself, Trazyn is also as expected from Rath wonderful in it lol

[random marlin]

Thanks for the info! Is this review spoiler-free? And if it is, would you mind sharing the link?

[tall phoenix]

Oh no its ENTIRELY full of spoilers

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShaskaisWarhamBits/comments/16le04m/interesting_bits_from_the_fall_of_cadia_novel_by/

But like its literally everything we already knew

Cadia explodes, Creed's flagbearer dies, Creed gets taken by Trazyn, guys mentioned in Gathering Storm Book 1 all die as per the narrative in that rulebook etc

[random marlin]

Ok, I'll probably hold on to read the book then because it may spoil details that I'd enjoy more when reading it. 🙂

[tall phoenix]

[slow rivet]

anyone else confused by the first heretic?

feels like ive missed half the book somehow

[light haven]

I found this reading guide really good if you wanna make sure you dont miss bits you are interested in https://blog.basementofdeath.com/2018/05/01/horus-heresy-reading-guidance/

[sweet grove]

1 more month bois

1 MORE MONTH

[tacit raft]

his Assasinorum and Infinite/Divine so good, looking for this stuff.

[unborn merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/letsgooo-gif-21866961

[iron ore]

@tall phoenix Pinging the only person in here with good taste, what are the warhammer books that have knocked you off yoru feet

[tall phoenix]

I think in the last few years (from the books I've read) Assassinorum Kingmaker just for being a 40k book that doesn't have to have a depressing ending and has a good Suicide Squad vibe of a fun adventure story of asshole assassins trying to put a Knight World on the correct path lol

Also William King's Farseer from

2002 💀

Otherwise most 40k books are just kinda nonsense for me since I look at the setting from a wider lens and don't really care too much about a lot of factions (especially the Imperium lol)

Also wading through Abnett wank-books also just becomes a chore after awhile aka all his Death and the End stuff 💀

[iron ore]

ooooh tell me more im interested

kingmaker is defo next on list

[tall phoenix]

Honestly there isn't much to say, hes the same guy that started Gotrek and Felix so its really in the same vein as that, has an exiled farseer and his bodyguard so two eldar going to recruit a washed up rogue trader named Janus Drake to go to the Eye of Terror to get a Slaanesh killing god-sword.

It is one of the VERY few 40k books that got retconned alongside Ian Watson's trilogy, in this case it was because of the plot device sword, hilarious because now we got the Ynnari who have the exact same deal

[iron ore]

holy shit that sounds awesome

[tall phoenix]

It's very much a "fun adventure" book

[iron ore]

still available for e book?

[tall phoenix]

Its from 2002 so its literally ONLY almost for ebook, I got a physical copy and its like a 13+ years old rn

https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/farseer-ebook.html

I don't want to hype it up too much because the plot is REALLY simple but if you just want the kind of 40k book that takes you back in time when the setting was a bit simpler then id recommend it for a read, you can literally finish it in like 2 days I think.

[iron ore]

yea if it teleports me back to my childhood so i dont do mouth shotgun that works for me

[tall phoenix]

yeha i hope its fun for you

Kingmaker is also just EXCELLENT, another rare example of a fun 40k book that doesn't wallow in needless misery and with a proper happy grimdank ending.

[iron ore]

this is a shot at dan abnett I know it

[tall phoenix]

Lmao nah its 40k books in general.

Like I don't mind depressing endings but they get super boring and lose their punch after the 50th book where all the characters die/fail or are just end miserably.

[iron ore]

you should read steel tread if you like having fun

that shit was a fun ride

[tall phoenix]

Will give it a look when I got time 👍

could any good 40k book at this point after all the recent Stuff™️

[iron ore]

I think the problem with current mainline 40k books is they're all quite Boring

The one off stories like gundam does about random squads in random wars are fun little rides

but heavy narrative pushing shit like the dark imperium trilogy just comes off as MID

[tall phoenix]

Yeah I think you hit it right on the head, its fine if people enjoy these things but I just don't care about what Guilliman does and about how (insert faction here) doomsday mcguffin is going to change the setting when everyone and their mom knows the Imperium will eventually spot them.

Mid 2000's/Pre-Rift 40k will always be where the real stuff will be at for me, even when current 40k still does the side-story character stuff Post-Fall of Cadia it just does not feel the same.

[iron ore]

Damn that post fall of cadia shit is really true tm

really realized we got OLD

[tall phoenix]

YEP

[iron ore]

At least im not 30 yet

[tall phoenix]

I am

[iron ore]

yeehaw

[tall phoenix]

👩‍🦼

[iron ore]

Im almost there

[tall phoenix]

god speed buddy

[iron ore]

Ill catch up soon

Ima read that eldar book and get back to you

[tall phoenix]

Hope ya like it and best of luck 🙏

[brittle tapir]

haha i love how old the average 40k fan is

makes me feel young

[pliant hemlock]

Hey so I just started reading Horus Rising and I have some questions.

Why are the Luna Wolves storming the capital?

Or like actually no scratch that.

Where are they attacking?

[digital saffron]

It's a system that's pretty much a 1 to 1 copy paste of Solar/our system

They're humans who don't want to cooperate, so they must be brutally beaten until they do

[pliant hemlock]

Ohhhh.

Okay okay that makes a lot more sense.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the doctrine of the great crusade is basically Join us or Die

if theres any humans that co-exist with aliens they are also outright exterminated

[pliant hemlock]

Gotta love the Great Crusade.

[tall phoenix]

its basically a Galactic Jihad so

[pliant hemlock]

Also Loken is cool.

I appreciate him and Viper being able to joke with eachother given the setting.

Even Abbadon too.

Wait the Titans that were deployed, are they from this pseudo-Earth as well?

[tall phoenix]

Titan Legions can be from any forgeworld

on this case tho no iirc they are a Legion accompanying Horus because the first books establish Legio Death's Head and the Dies Irae a lot

[iron ore]

@tall phoenix Im about 50-60 pages in on kingmaker, it goes hard

[tall phoenix]

the plot of the book starts like halfway in, its great

"Anyone got any questions?"

"✋ Why is a moron vindicare like you handling this mission."

[pliant hemlock]

Dude I'm only on chapter 3 so far and I'm enjoying it.

That conversation Loken had with the pretend fake emperor was great.

"Because the truth-"

"-is amoral. So you said, but in serving your fine truth, invader, you make yourself immoral."

[tall phoenix]

enjoy it while you can, after the first 3 books it sall downhill from there

💀

[pliant hemlock]

Actually had me go "daaamn."

Oh are the rest of em not good?

[tall phoenix]

Okay so HH itself has 55 books

we are not counting short stories and novellas

[pliant hemlock]

HOLY FUCK

[tall phoenix]

yeah man this series has been a fucking cash cow

its STILL going we are at the Siege of Terra

Abnett cut up the final fucking book into 3 Parts

you cant make this shit up

[pliant hemlock]

Okay wow that's kinda greedy.

[tall phoenix]

yeah the book you are reading now is uhhh

came out in 2006

but basically

https://youtu.be/I1m8gmu3Nyc

I'd highly recommend this video

[pliant hemlock]

Oh my god that's old.

[tall phoenix]

21m but Ian gives a very honest review of each novel

id say listen to that and give your own opinion yourself

[pliant hemlock]

Hmm...

Are the ones past the third novel actually covering cool stuff though?

[tall phoenix]

Kiiiiiinda?

like i said watch the vid and judge yourself

for example all the Dark Angel novels are absolute boring filler

or the Salamander books just suck and even Salamanders fans hate them from how generic/bland the plots are, and this is like 6 books

[wet holly]

Anyone got some "hidden gems", so books that arent like the ones you find on everyones list (Like Night Lords, Eisenhorn, Gaunts, Horus Rising...") that are actual bangers tho?
40k preferabbly!

[orchid herald]

i like Josh Renyolds Lukas. as it different from most SM it what happens when a spacewolve becomes more like a fox then a real spacewolf. i also found Greyknight's the Emperor's gift. is a fun one about the Moral dymanic of the Imperium, and both a Inqustior with a concious. and a Greyknight who isn't a big fan of the being a Lap dog of the inqustion.

[wet holly]

wow that sounds so fucking interesting! Definetly putting those on my list, currently still reading (and crying) through the Night Lords Omnibus but I'll definetly get to them once I am done with my current list! ^^ tysm!

[pliant hemlock]

Fuck that's actually tragic to hear

Was hoping there'd be some good Salamander content.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah do not touch those books

Salamanders suffer as a faction for books a lot because an author named Nick Kyme has them on a chokehold, is the only person that writes for them but nobody likes him 💀

[orchid herald]

many First found chapter surffer from avarage or bad authories or even lacking of authoiries. their is little books on WS, RG,IH, Sals. due to the fact they are the lesser chapter people play. it why they didn't provide a full Codex. and that the books people right for them are limited and only done in a novelty interest. RG. has about 9 books about 5 of them are avalible in hard cover. while the rest are audio books. (this is 40k Not HH which is a different time period). IH i found only about 12 novels. while Sals have 3 or so apart from the tome of fire trillogy

[loud helm]

Ive read all the HH thousand sons books and I recommend them all

[random marlin]

It all depends of your tastes. If you enjoy horror and books that go beyond bolter/lasgun porn and ask for the readers to be attentive and pick up clues, you might want to check Peter Fehervari and see if it clicks with you. He has a unique take on the 40k setting and his style is quite divisive. As he said himself, out of 3 people, 1 will hate what he offers, 1 won't care for it and 1 will love it. However, whether you enjoy his style or not, it's impossible not to acknowledge that it is unique, which is a good thing as a lot of BL authors tend to have a bland style and not taking risks, just doing what is expected of them when writing a BL novel, hitting all the conventional notes and leaving it at that.

Maybe start with a short story, like Nightbleed or The Greater Evil and keep in mind that all his stories are connected, so the more you read, the more you'll be able to connect dots, understand what happened to such and such characters and so on.

If you want something fun, I enjoyed Brutal Kunnin' and The Infinite and the Divine, but for this last one I don't know if it's a "hidden gem" as it's widely seen as a very good book.

[wet holly]

Thank you so much! From reading my first book I found that void battles actually draw me in the most.
Yk like the

"Lances ready sir!"
"Fire lances!"
"Firing lances aye"
You know it, but I dont think theres any novels with just..that.

But your recommendations sound amazing!
I'll definetly check em out!
Tysm!

[random marlin]

You're welcome 🙂 and I googled a bit and found this Reddit post which may interest you: https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/buits5/what_books_feature_space_combat_as_a_central_point/

[loud bramble]

Just finished listening to Helsreach for the first time. Overall it was an enjoyable story, with a lot of character growth in Grimaldus. Albeit, i felt the ending was a bit rushed even if it tied up most of the loose ends. It was a different tone than the stories I usually read/listen to (coming from Ciaphus Caine most recently), in line with the Grimdark setting which I was on board with.

[loud helm]

i don't think naval combat lends itself to the character driven narratives of 40k

i was in active duty navy, so a lot of "come right to 220, aye!" control room repeat backs and its very much a team game with a lot of low ranking people making all the difference

[loud helm]

its well laid out but it invariably devolves into I'M THE CAPTAIN AND I SAY WE FIGHT TO THE LAST and to be honest at the moment of crisis the captain is the least important person on the ship

i like 40k space navy when they are in the background but i really don't see the stories being that interesting

outside of anecdotes like real life navy anecdotes

like 'the gunners hands melted to his gun but he kept firing as the ship sank' kind of heroic sacrifice stuff

but to develop those characters its just a lot of monotonous maintenance, cleaning and boredom

[wet holly]

Oh my thank you so much!
Adding to what everyone said I dont even know why I enjoy it so much in Soul Hunter.
Its just draws me in for no reason at all!

[orchid herald]

very few books are good at discrbing the spacebattles. i like the armaduke story which is pretty good, the Battle of the Fang has some pretty good when it comes down to it, again the Cain and last chancer novel. show it but it not their main conceration. in (i think it's) honour and Glory (it about story primaris). there a story that it splits 3 ways on astroids combat, Space combat and Ground Defene.

[drowsy urchin]

The new Lion book had a pretty nice space battle iirc

[wet holly]

I think what I like is how slow it is,
"The expanse" made great show of that aswell.

Space battles take forever, for the projectiles to hit, knowing what damage you took.

And then after the slow part and all the tension comes the boarding.

Its absolutly amazing to me.

[mellow knot]

I had great fun writing the space battle in 'The Gildar Rift', but I grew up in a house that had lots of naval warfare books around. so that was nice reference material to hark back to.

[mellow knot]

Yes! Those great big ponderous ships can't exactly zip about like fighters.

Also, hi all.

[unborn merlin]

The White Scars would like to know your location.

[mellow knot]

"The Expanse" is particularly excellent sci-fi, too. ❤️

[wet holly]

Never got to finish it, but its amazing at what it did.

[iron ore]

The new lion book does a halfway decent job at it

[drowsy urchin]

It's almost here, listed in audible today

Almost 20 hours

But no Reed narrating it

[pearl grove]

still a good listen

[iron ore]

@tall phoenix halfway through kingmaker, is Robert rath truly him?

[tall phoenix]

He's the One™️

[forest spruce]

Robert rath has that dawg in him

[severe trail]

Kingmaker is good

[hybrid tangle]

So excited!!

[tall phoenix]

Yooo

ɥɔɐǝɹslǝH, my favorite book

[forest spruce]

Thats some witchcraft

[tall phoenix]

I just googled "text flipper" on google

[forest spruce]

Oh

[teal bolt]

Just in time for my birthday

Hype to read these through my midterms

[orchid herald]

For glory and honlur is really good. Like the secound novel in there

[iron ore]

Enjoy!

[serene mortar]

I reccomend the infinite and the divine as well as the 2 book series the twice dead king. Great to get to know how the necron Dynasties work and the infiniate and the divine is a comedy

[mellow knot]

The SM Battles were so much fun.

[loud helm]

bought it randomly in an airport while traveling, before i really got into reading 40k stories. it's a cool book

definitely made me more interested in 40k

[iron ore]

Was the huron black heart book any hood?

Good?

[digital saffron]

I heard it was mid when I was asking about it

[balmy raven]

i got my hands on the dark coil preorder today

😎

[severe trail]

its mid

[iron ore]

I’ve been trying to get a decent review but half of goodreads is this about it lmfao

[severe trail]

💀 bro what the fuck lol

Unironically the book is like fine

its just not very intresting imo

[tall phoenix]

yeah the book is just super mid as said above

its very much made for hungry Red Corsair fans who haven't had content that isnt codex blurbs

lmao

[wicked tree]

The most interesting part about the book is the constant power struggle between Huron and an underling.
But it seems so forced and takes you out of it when some random he might be a consistent character idk, I don't keep up with the Corsairs officer tries to unseat Huron from his own Warband

[forest spruce]

That sounds pretty normal for chaos

[tall phoenix]

Im very sure he will succeed and Huron whos a very prominent character in lore will just get replaced.

Thats just how 40k totally always is.

[forest spruce]

I more ment the constant plotting and treachery, never said hed succeed just try it

[tall phoenix]

I meant Lux's comment lmao

[forest spruce]

Ah

[tall phoenix]

but yeah thats normal for chaos

as you say 🙏

[bleak void]

hey

Is the First Heretic work as a standalone novel ?

or should I read the first 10 before and after it ?

[tall phoenix]

Basically you just gotta know some context of the Heresy and you are entirely set, a lot of the HH books tend to be pretty disconnected most of the time.

[mellow knot]

I mean, I wrote an entire novel and a short story with them in before that book…

(But then I also know I’m also the most forgettable author ever)

[tall phoenix]

Hey don't say that

[mellow knot]

It’s cool, I’m used to it 🙂

[frigid osprey]

started reading Genefather yesterday

🕷️

hell yes more fabius bile

[mellow knot]

Ah, Fabulous Billy. ❤️

[wet holly]

Hows the book treating you so far? ^^

[frigid osprey]

Bill status: Fabulous, and you can't really go wrong putting these two characters together. Great so far

[wet holly]

Gotta read through both of their novels and omnibus' yet but I am glad youre enjoying it! Cant wait to pick it up for myself ^^

[frigid osprey]

it's all good stuff, the Bile omnibus is particularly amazing!

[grand vine]

any comissar book serries simps in this chat?

[orchid herald]

honour bound is a good book. and the short stories that follow are really good.

[shrewd silo]

Realistically I would say the only required HH books to read and I read 26 of them is the first 5.
The rest are very disjointed.
But you can read first heretic with no knowledge of events and you will be just fine

[bleak void]

thank you

[wicked tree]

Bruh honour bound was a slog imo

[random marlin]

I disliked it. It's probably one of the books I disliked the most in the BL with Krieg, I think. It's not badly written at all but the messages it unintentionally conveys were, well, not that great.

[orchid herald]

i disagree honourbound was great, it showed a comissar that was harsh but fair and was willing to bend the rules. most of the commissar shorts and book that show them are harsh and strict this shows the more human side of the commissar which i found enjoyable.

[random marlin]

That was not my experience with this book, but to each one's own.

[tall phoenix]

Very bad book.

It must be thrown into the deepest pits of Hades.

[drowsy urchin]

was that the book which went "imperium good, actually" at the end or something

[random marlin]

I fear there are several instances in the last years, unfortunately.

[vale wren]

imperium good, actually

[random marlin]

You may be thinking about ||Longshot||?

[tall phoenix]

yeah Longshot is that one

[drowsy urchin]

Yeah think that was it

[wet holly]

Krieg was my first ever warhammer story (Not read, that was Soul Hunter) but I agree.
Loved the backstory bits but whenever they jumped to the invasion I just wanted to fucking die after awhile lmao

[wet holly]

Slowly making it to the end.
I am not ready.

[forest spruce]

Just finished cypher lord of the fallen finally. I have to say, cypher fascinates me.

And also this is like the third book iver read that takes place on terra during the khornite assualt of terra

[storm orchid]

i got a bit of a weird question i ordered from the BL section on games workshop. did not get a confirmation email but the order does show up as waiting for departure. so i guess all is good? or might it be that something went wrong?

[orchid herald]

you will get a confirmation email when they ship it.

but you should get a confirmation email that you ahve bought it.

it should be like this

[storm orchid]

yeh that i didnt get i only can see my order on my account as it hasnt shipped. its a preorder anyway just found it weird that there was no confirmation email

[shrewd silo]

What was the message?

[vale wren]

Wrong channel

[onyx sonnet]

Oh shit, sorry.

[dense ether]

anyone who read the horus heresy arround?

[iron ore]

yes

[dense ether]

are all the books worth reading or are there any you wouldnt recommend

im at book 10

and i have mixed feelings

[tall phoenix]

Holy shit dude

do not read 55 books of this garbage

The entire problem with the Horus Heresy is it was suppose to be a short series that forcefully got turned into a cash cow and got milked to oblivion and has been going from 2008 to literally today with the Siege of Terra (the final book is gonna be 3 fucking parts).

There's a ton of bad/mediocre novels you don't need to touch at all to know whats going on.

https://youtu.be/I1m8gmu3Nyc

I highly suggest this 22m video by Arbitrator Ian, rates every book and is brutally honest about which ones are bad and the ones that are worth a read.

[dense ether]

i appreciate it

i mean i really liked some of it

[tall phoenix]

Yeah because there is good in it.

The issue is the garbage is way too much

[dense ether]

The first 3, Mechanikum, and the one with the spies, forgot the name

those were quite good

or i liked them anyways

[tall phoenix]

Mechanicum is very much liked

its not just you don't worry, Ian also gives it 4 stars in the review

[dense ether]

i do find myself missing a couple of charackters i really liked

rip Ignace Karkasy

ohh and i liked loken, but i heard he returns at some point

not sure tho

[tall phoenix]

Loken Appears in a few more novels

Hes currently present at Terra, his death is not written yet.

[lethal valley]

What do you guys think of the new GG audiobook?

I'm like 60% through and really quite tired of that dang house

[kindred tendon]

Anyone have book recommendations on like a human main character adventure (ciaphas cain/ eisenhorn)

But of course aren’t as spoken about or generic as those two series

It could also be about assasins/ psykers etc

[shrewd silo]

Kingmaker

[somber kraken]

You care if it's HH or just want 40k?

[kindred tendon]

Dont care, ill take anything

[somber kraken]

I liked Nemesis a lot, follows assassins

Legion was also pretty good, mainly follows a perpetual, has some other human viewpoints too

[shrewd silo]

Quick summary of kingmaker is assaian makes a crew of assaians from other temples to do a mission.
Mission is reclaim a knight world without all out war by killing key political figures.

Also while nemesis is not really related to anything in the big picture of 30k it's a very fun read.

[somber kraken]

The ||Black Pariah|| could've been super significant, but yeah. Most of the HH books are pretty unrelated to the big picture tbf lol

Also it made me happy that it made Erebus upset lol

[shrewd silo]

Yeah but the thing is that everything could have been super significant but we already know what actually happened since it's a giant prologue.

It's mainly just a fun ride

[somber kraken]

oh 100%. Sometimes stuff may leak over to the modern setting. Like you get characters that are still around or some good references

[shrewd silo]

Actually one book I thought I would like but didn't care for at all was out outcast dead hh17

[tall phoenix]

Kingmaker is also one of the few BL books where its outright fun and has a happy ending with a very funny and emotive Assassin cast and side characters

[somber kraken]

That's the thing that got me most in Nemeis, the amount of personality they gave the assassins lol

[tall phoenix]

I knew the book was good the moment the Callidus assassin raised a hand during the briefing to ask why a loser like a Vindicare is leading a mission lol

[shrewd silo]

Well trying to keep spoilers away but ye king makers great

[somber kraken]

Nemesis and Kingmaker sound very similar lol

[tall phoenix]

Nemesis is a lot more serious

Kingmaker is like the James Gunn Suicide Squad movie

[shrewd silo]

Not quite it's assianorum hit squads but that's were the similarities sort of end

[tall phoenix]

you also go into Nemesis knowing everyone is gonna die

and the mission is gonna fail

[shrewd silo]

But they both got fun squads

[somber kraken]

Yeah but that's what kept me goin, like they ain't gonna get the target, but what's gonna HAPPEN!?

and I was definitely not disappointed lol

[tall phoenix]

Whats gonna happen is ||you are gonna get a chaos crackhead vindicare huffing chaos-plant weed and crawling around in vents for the latter half of the book 💀 ||

[shrewd silo]

Ye I think the prologue was we gonna go shoot horus dead with out most elite members.
Oh no turns our there's like 50 more books after this one who can guess what's gonna happen

[tall phoenix]

KEK

On the other hand one of the few HH books that isn't about fucking buzz lightyear marines so.

[somber kraken]

I liked Legion a lot because of that, it's always more fun getting the perspective of humans seeing space marines

[shrewd silo]

I feel like I got to read all the HH books because maybe I will miss a good one but there's so much just ok to meh stuff

[tall phoenix]

Bro no you wont

out of 55 books 40 of them are legit garbage

[shrewd silo]

Yeah I like the first 5

[tall phoenix]

well yeah

because the first 3 are written by an actually good author aka Abnett

[somber kraken]

There's definitely a few where I'm just like... I wasted my time and money, but there's usually a small snippet of good information in em that makes it worth it. Or a character I like. Like Dorn showing up in a lot of the books is like Christmas for me

Don't care that he's boring as shit, love Dorn lol

[tall phoenix]

yeah absolutely this, I learned this the hard way.

once you get past the first few you REALLY start to realise this is just milking for cash.

Then you get one great HH book, then its back to 6 mediocre/shit ones

[somber kraken]

Like Prospero Burns, total waste of time, but the fact ||Enuncia|| was in it made it worth it for me.

still a fun book though

[tall phoenix]

hey

at least its not any HH Salamander book

[somber kraken]

"we're SAADD, VULKAN DIED ON ISTVAAN 5" 😢

[tall phoenix]

IMAGINE THIS SHIT

FOR 6 BOOKS

KILL ME

[shrewd silo]

Well to give you my list of ones worth reading it's
1,2,3,4,5,9,13,14,18,23,24

[tall phoenix]

Very good choices.

[somber kraken]

oh first heretic was amazing lol

Malcador getting absolutely bitch slapped had me dying

[shrewd silo]

I should check out scars since I'm a few book away

[tall phoenix]

yeah like the best part of HH books are the ones that are great are universally praised

the moment you leave that circle its

"Ehhhhh this is fine? Idk"

or

"Yeah its garbage."

[somber kraken]

It's like going to an hour long lecture to get that 1 minute of information you know is gonna be on the test lol

[tall phoenix]

^

[somber kraken]

except it's like 13 hours, a few of it is entertaining enough, and there's about 5 minutes of information that might be important

[shrewd silo]

I find it kinda funny that logars look at by his legion as so great but they go to the eye and his men are just like "so who he chucking in that because we all know it's gonna happen"

[tall phoenix]

thats up there with Horus Rising, its such a period piece

"The Mournival were marching like a legion, a BLACK legion"

"Space marines fighting space marines? Such an idea was absurd."

ABNETT I GET IT

Im glad he dropped that shit as the books went along it was so MCU-tier eyewinky

[somber kraken]

but the idea was SO ABSURD, even though it probably happened when the 2nd and 11th were purged so like... hmmmm

[tall phoenix]

VERY sus indeed

[shrewd silo]

It's even funnier since later on you find out angron almost got killed by Russ

Or was it Perturabo?

Idk

[somber kraken]

I feel like it'd be peterturbo

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its an effect of how the HH was literally going to be like 3-4 books and that was going to be it.

so all these setups and eyewinks were shoved in for that reason

[shrewd silo]

I just wish books they wrote didn't do such a grand scale

Like know no fear was apparently loved but I thought it was awful

They had like 20 diffent characters I couldn't remember then they all sort of just died

[tall phoenix]

Know No Fear basically was the book that brought the Ultramarines from out of obscurity.

But also I agree holy fuck does Abnett love making so many needless and pointless astartes characters in a book.

[shrewd silo]

Best part about it was the young dreadnought who has some great isolation moments at the start.

After I finished I couldn't remember shit

[tall phoenix]

yeah thats me with most marine books

[shrewd silo]

I can still remember most of the human characters in fulgrim.
Not names but actions

And I read it like 5 or 6 years ago

[tall phoenix]

I only remember Bequa Kynska

because boobs

Oh yeah also accidentally creating the noise marines I guess, oh no anyway

[shrewd silo]

I remember the painter
The sculpture that turns into the lover
The music producer who made the noise marines.

Like fulgrim getting mad when the sculptor says fulgrims peice lacks heart like it was made by a unfeeling machine who made it from blue prints.

[tall phoenix]

My favorite part of Fulgrim is people going

"OH MY GOD THAT FINALE WAS SO INSANE AND GROSS WTF"

And its literally

the most generic chaos stuff ever

[shrewd silo]

Yeah I listed to dark imperium I think

The 3 part one with gilliman and mort

[tall phoenix]

Memeblight?

[shrewd silo]

The third book felt like 90% describing how one nergling likes to shit on another nergling

[tall phoenix]

Yeah like

you read one nurgle thing you have read em all

[shrewd silo]

Then it gets to the action and its ok

Only interesting character is the priest

But the problem with that is I kinda like the concept he talks about so it feels really surface level in the book

But that's OK since it's a action book not a deep dive on egregores

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its classic 40k

Set up cool idea

Never explore it

[shrewd silo]

https://narapetrovic.com/society/we-are-cells-of-egregores/

Here's a pretty good summary of how 40k works in real life

[random marlin]

The simplest way to answer is probably to c/c my review of it (sorry for the wall of text):

"I never like to do negative reviews, and I wonder if I haven't missed the point of the novel entirely...

Basically, I loved Mr Lyons' previous book about the Death Korps of Krieg, Dead Men Walking because it struck a fine balance between the satirical aspect of the setting and fascinating questions about human nature. I loved it as much as I love 15 hours or Fire Caste, because it did not make the error that some recent Black Library novels do, which is to take the setting at face value and forget about its satirical aspect.

And... well, I have the feeling that it's exactly what Krieg does. The story is told with a 100% serious tone, with no perspective making it fun or thought-provoking. It's almost as if the author had been told to tone down what made (in my eyes) Dead Men Walking so great.

One of the things I loved in Dead Men Walking was how the book left subtle clues that the Death Korps of Krieg were inhuman killing machines, which made them in a way very efficient, and in another way very inefficient to the point of absurdity.

There's none of that in Krieg where all the actions of the Krieg characters are justified one way or another and even praised. Even when they commit genocide...

Without any perspective or satirical elements to counterbalance this, the novel is an uncomfortable read, that will probably be more enjoyed by the portion of the 40k community with stances such as "The Imperium is justified in its actions" and who are usually pretty close to the far right (or are part of the far right).

Another thing which kind of sums up the differences between the two books are the antagonists. In Dead Men Walking, the antagonists' actions could be understood and be seen as legitimate. In Krieg, the human antagonists felt like caricatural moustache-twirling villains opposed to characters who have a more noble attitude. In such a case, how doubt can there be of who you should be rooting for?

So... reading this book was a disappointment as I hoped it would be as enjoyable and thought-provoking as Dead Men Walking, which it wasn't.

It is entirely possible I'm being unfair because I had high expectations with this book which makes me less able to see its qualities. It is well written, has good pacing with compelling action scenes, but wasn't what I was hoping for as I'm uncomfortable with the justification and glorification of the inhuman way the Death Korps of Krieg behaves. That being said, if you do read it, I hope you'll enjoy it more than me."

One thing I'll add is that it's possible to have a huge variety of tones with the 40k setting: you can do fun stories like Brutal Kunnin' or The Infinite and the Divine, action-heavy stories with badass characters like... well, 95% of the BL production, which isn't really my thing, thought-provoking stories like Fire Caste or Fifteen Hours... But choosing to tell a story like the one in Krieg with the stance of justifying the Imperium and the DKOK's actions is to me probably the worst possible choice.

[shrewd silo]

thanks

[lyric thunder]

yeah with Angron going ham in the story with the whole banishment nerf. I'd imagine Russ and Valdor's return will allow Russ to hopefully corral Angron.

[kindred tendon]

could a theme for 40k be "fighting against your inner demons" but losing in the end?

[tall phoenix]

40k is more about the decay of humanity and everything you could do going horribly wrong

[slow pilot]

i was at the doctor and she knows i like to read so she asked what i was reading and i said a warhammer book and explained how its like star wars but dark and gritty and she said "i hope is nothing violent"

i was like no not at all

[tall phoenix]

MAN

same when my dad goes:

"Hey Dilara what are you reading"

"Uhhh science-fiction."

[iron ore]

My gf reads nothing but books about unstable, depressed female narrators with chaotic lives and love stories. She asked what my books are about since she’s an avid reader, I had her read the first 15 pages of horus rising and she was like wow I have no idea what the fuck I just read lmfao

[tall phoenix]

LMFAO

Yeah natural reaction 💀

[iron ore]

Was so funny

She just finished reading “normal people”

Heard it’s a good series

[tall phoenix]

I should try some non-40k books so might give that a peek

[iron ore]

If you like tumultuous love story between Irish folk over a period of 15 years

It’s for you

In the 8th grade I read “the stand” by Stephen king and I’ve been chasing that high ever since

[tall phoenix]

Lmao god 💀

King books are just 40k books but the author was allowed to take coke

[iron ore]

I honestly think if I did a bit of coke I could write a fantastic novel

I’ve edited a few historical fiction books

Unfortunately I have my soul crushed by teaching and exercise everyday and barely have enough time to PAINT OR READ

RAHHHHH

[tall phoenix]

Man aint that the truth

[forest spruce]

I just tell my grandparents and they slowly nod there heads. Theyve always known ive had dark tastes in media. Nothing i say suprised them

[tall phoenix]

yeah pretty much the same for me, not much to explain when it comes to warhammer books either

[forest spruce]

My roomate was talking about how a tv show had a planet being destoried and he was explaining how impactful it was. I just looked him in the eyes and said "only 1?

[digital saffron]

Was it Foundation

[mellow knot]

To get out of 40k but still stick with sci-fi elements, I recommend ‘The Ninth Element’ by Benjamin Percy - it’s really good

[tall phoenix]

I have watched the Fifth Element by M.Night so perhaps the Ninth could also help me out

[forest spruce]

Idk

[random marlin]

The Fifth Element is by Luc Besson if I’m not mistaken.

[tall phoenix]

Yep

Introduction. Luc Besson first began devising The Fifth Element when he was 16, inspired by French sci-fi comics like Jean-Claude Mézières's Valérian and Laureline (Desowitz). Besson continued to work on the story as he became well-known in the French film scene with films like Subway (1985) and The Big Blue (1988).

[iron ore]

I forgot M night shamaladingdong made that shit

LOVE the fifth element

like watching that and blade back to back

[tall phoenix]

PEAK fiction 👌

[iron ore]

Minority Report is another BANGER

Shout out to Philip K Dick

Call me a DICK LOVER

[digital saffron]

I liked watching Kubrick stuff for a while

[iron ore]

Tom Cruise has never done an interview about Eyes wide shut because the church of scientology forbids him from it

THEY KILLED KUBRICK

[digital saffron]

kek

I watched that movie after drinking/other stuff and man

That ball scene took forever

[smoky trellis]

I’ve been re-reading some classics like, “I have no mouth and I must scream.” Or Jurassic Park and Lost World. Been in a horror mood recently, must just be that time of year.

[shrewd silo]

Ever listen to the audiobook the author read.
It's done so well that just reading the story no longer does it justice.
https://youtu.be/dgo-As552hY?si=KW1xu5TYNW63fOrd

Guys full deranged with his performance

[vapid sable]

Harlan Ellison was great

threatened to throw a hollywood exec out of a 14 story window because he wanted to animate a psychic dogs mouth

I highly reccomend both the book and film for 'A Boy and his dog'

[shell spruce]

Bit late but the Gaunt Ghost's series are a must-read imo,

The Macharian Crusade was cool too, Alexander the Great in space

[random marlin]

If you're in a horror mood, you may enjoy Peter Fehervari's novels and short stories which really captures the horror and nihilism of the 40k setting.

You may want to start with something light, there's Nightbleed which is one of Peter's most classical stories, or Altar of Maws if you want more action (and body horror), among many others.

Never read I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream but heard about it a lot because of the video game.

[drowsy urchin]

Finished Gods of Mars, it was better than the second one

Ending was nice albeit some odd things

[kindred tendon]

Iirc that story gets a little grimdark and NSFW even

[shell spruce]

Don't recall anything NSFW but it is grimdark. The life of a guardsman is hell, and those novels do a good job of portraying it

[tall phoenix]

40K's idea of "NSFW" is also about as surface as you can get

[kindred tendon]

Is this the series you’re referring to?

[kindred tendon]

I hear the worse it gets is if you read Ian watson

[tall phoenix]

I mean no

Watson's stuff is also just weird since he was a fetish writer

[shell spruce]

Yeah its that series, but i dont remember any explicit scene,. Its just mentioned to underline the commissar struggling to keep guardsmen in check between deployments

[tall phoenix]

but its like funny weird because he was obviously on some shit

[kindred tendon]

That makes it a little creepier i guess

[kindred tendon]

But I dont mind that kinda stuff regardless

I love miserable books

[shell spruce]

You'd love those then, also has some of the best character development i've read in a 40k book

[wet holly]

So whats yalls opinion about the three Dark imperium books?
Theyre next on my list after finishing the second and last Night Lords book but I heard people saying its either up there with Gaunts and EH or as bad as it gets.
Wonder what yall think?

[shell spruce]

I'm still going through the 3rd, imo its definitely not up there with Gaunt or EH or the Night lord series. Those series have much better char development

But, they have something the others dont, which is primarchs. I love me some primarch drama

[tall phoenix]

Dawn of Fire you mean?

[wet holly]

Nope! Tho thats on my list too!

[tall phoenix]

Oh yeah these

honestly just alright

Dawn of Fire though is a genuine mediocre snorefest

[wet holly]

Night Lords, Soul Hunter was the first ever book in 40k that ive read.
And I doubt anything will ever beat those three for me, even though I am not even done.

[shell spruce]

I like the focus on Nurgle, Kugath was amusing

And some convos Guilliman has are interesting

[wet holly]

Most stuff I hear is that its a bit too much...

yk

[tall phoenix]

yeah its just nothing interesting

[shell spruce]

You mean Soul Drinker

[tall phoenix]

you can very much read a summary and not miss much

[shell spruce]

no wait im stupid

thats the 1st novel right?

[wet holly]

Soul Hunter, thats Talos title and the first book

Theres Soul Hunter, Blood Reaver (which I am almost done with) and Void Stalker

[shell spruce]

Yeah i need to reread them, was a decade ago but I still remember them being great

Word Bearer series is also dope

First one especially

[wet holly]

Sadly ive been spoiled to oblivion, but thats alright...

||Tho I am not ready... I know hes a bad person but...I dont know I see something more in him....||

[wet holly]

Reading that too rn, tho its almost a bit tooooo edgy at times.

[forest spruce]

Ive got too many books to read

[shell spruce]

My memory is a bit fuzzy, but isnt the Night Lord's series all edge ? 😛

[wet holly]

Which is fine cuz yeah...40k but in 40k theres fun edge and the kind of edge that just makes me cringe abit, sometimes it sadly falls under the second.

[wet holly]

Not at all!
They are rather portrayes like "people" but its really more of a focus on survival rather than the debautchery Night Lords are usually up to.

||It even goes as having the protagonist criticize how savage the others are. (On ganges station massacre)||

[shell spruce]

Yeah Talos was pretty cool, but he was only the one keeping it together no?

[wet holly]

Not entirely, almost all of first claws decent, except Uzazs when hes on a spree but I can say, not done yet.

But overall, yes in the book they kill and mame but its never portrayed as too fucked up.

or actually isnt too fucked up.
They do it when its neccesary and even then, its not as bad by an inch to what the imps are up to.

[shell spruce]

Ok, i need to revisit them i think, there's quite a bit i've forgotten

[wet holly]

Its an aweeesome story

[shell spruce]

Yeah i remember really enjoying it and that's about it 😛

[wet holly]

Tho I hate the book cover of the omnibus.. lol

Its just all red? Just super boring in comparison to the individual novels

Then comes the old Omnibus of the word bearers and people in public will look at me like I am mad

sadly tho the old omnibus (that ive gotten for free) since ripped the cover and I had to duc tape it. lel

[tall phoenix]

The mid 2000's 40k novels had a lot of that yeah

where they mostly all got heir own artwork

the re-releases just has a character most of the time on a blank background

[wet holly]

Like cmonnn, couldnt you have been atleast a bit more creative?

[tall phoenix]

you will take your recycled artwork cover and you'll like it

[wet holly]

Looks like I am reading world eaters

[shell spruce]

I'd like to see someone try something similar with the world eaters

as in an omnibus

so far it's just been about kharn, which is ok but they're standalone stories

[wet holly]

Funnily enough tho, even tho I am somewhat enjoying the novel, I just cant wake up to the Word bearers.
Dont get the appeal, tho it did make me like em aaaaabit more.

Which is funny cuz I have a big ass Khorne mark on my Hema armor Irl

[tall phoenix]

its because W.E kinda suffer from the thing a lot of mid-tier Chaos legions do where nobody wants to write about them and the stories that exist tend to be like from 2012 or just non-existant.

[wet holly]

World eaters are dope tho.

[tall phoenix]

yeah but BL doesnt think so

its why their novels arent as numerous compared to Loyalists

[shell spruce]

Yeah, i'm guessing it's harder too, to write 40k world eaters and keep them interesting, compared to them in 30k

or what i mean to say, is to write interesting khorne themed characters

as they seem pretty one-dimensional

[hearty niche]

How am I supposed to read all of this

[forest spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/you-don't-invincible-omni-man-jk-simmons-that's-the-neat-thing-gif-4390372980992221432

[tall phoenix]

^

Almost 40 out of the 55 main books of the Heresy are not important, interesting, or well written lol

[hearty niche]

What are the good ones

[shrewd silo]

first 5

[hearty niche]

The end and the death is petty good so far

[shrewd silo]

Out of 27 books I got though I liked these.
Also never finished 26 or 27 because they were kinda trash or I was burnt out.
1,2,3,4,5,9,13,14,18,23,24

[wise yew]

wassup book club, i am bored and i want to read about the greatest hero of the imperium, Ciaphias cain

Where should I start

[hearty niche]

Open the book

[shrewd silo]

Number 1

You think this is bat man comics or something

[wise yew]

Is this supposed to be a book club a joke I'm too stupid to understand

[shrewd silo]

https://www.audible.com.au/pd/Ciaphas-Cain-For-the-Emperor-Audiobook/178030935X?ref_pageloadid=not_applicable&ref=a_series_Ci_c4_lProduct_1_4&pf_rd_p=854fefcc-6417-4e97-b97e-4bd809af7581&pf_rd_r=8MJK9N1FR50HFFWSMBBB&pageLoadId=b6UEQizhAIbSt3kO&ref_plink=not_applicable&creativeId=5f922f04-7f27-45a7-ba24-7bf0c1def1d9

This one

[digital saffron]

"For the Emperor" is the first one iirc

[wise yew]

thank you

[wet holly]

On my list too but I'll just burn myself through the 3 omnibuis and the anthology after

or should I read the anthology first?-

[shrewd silo]

for cain?

[zenith flax]

Bought and going through the War for Armageddon omnibus. Enjoying the hell out of it. Other than that I also went through the Carcharodons series. I really need to make more time to read Eisenhorn and gaunts ghosts.

[wet holly]

Yep!

Unless I am mixing it up with gaunts there were 3 omnibus' and then a sabbat war anthology with a bunch of short stories

[vapid sable]

Eisenhorn is a real easy read. you'll breexe through them im sure

[iron ore]

@tall phoenix just finished kingmaker

[tall phoenix]

[iron ore]

Solid 9/10

[tall phoenix]

NICE

Very happy to hear it

[iron ore]

Robert rath defo the new blood BL needed

Had gotten stagnant with early 2000s esque bolter porn

[tall phoenix]

Once I finished the book I legit don't remember having this much fun with a 40k book as I have with Kingmaker

it very much feels like James Gunn's Suicide Squad but with Assassins and Knights lmao

[iron ore]

Lmao it’s just fun

Also mecha is cool in any form

[tall phoenix]

yeah agreed

[iron ore]

Knights > titans

Way cooler

I was at my old LGS today and almost bought the cerastus

[tall phoenix]

The less I gotta hear about "MUH TITAN NEEDS TO BE AS BIG AS A MOUNTAIN" the better

[iron ore]

Next book I might read is brutal kunnin

Then infinite and the divine

May re read brunner the bounty hunter

[tall phoenix]

very good choices for all of them

[iron ore]

Ever read the old space wolf books?

William king

[tall phoenix]

Oh god I have, it was after I read King's Farseer book

like Ragnar's one from FUCKING 1999

👩‍🦼

[iron ore]

Hell yea lmao

Loved that shit as a kid

Wolf blade went hard

[tall phoenix]

Legit

I love how King's solution to uh

"How do these dumbass tribal norsemen marine recruits learn about the state of the galaxy before becoming astartes?" is

"Lmao just put a VR set exposition trip on them ez"

[hearty niche]

That is an apostile to slaneesh rioght there.

[glass sparrow]

Listening to Only in Death on Audible and I do not know if it is because it is that time of the year, or it was intended, but I swear the first half almost plays out like a horror story.

[vale wren]

that's definitely the point

i'm reading it right now and it certainly feels like the entire first part is just building tension

especially the little bits about skulls

with their tops sawn off

[wet holly]

I just finished the second Night Lords Novel- Currently reading "The Core".

H-How to cope with ending...
I just cant...
I'll never get over it...

[tall phoenix]

Remind yourself that they were horrible assholes that deserve no act of recognition, ez.

[bleak void]

I'm listening to the first heretic audiobook and I especially like all of the admech sections with xinu 73. What's a good starting book for that faction?

[dusk vortex]

MAJOR GAUNTS GHOSTS SPOILERS
||Why has Rawne not been promoted to colonel after the death of Corbec? Gaunt is still commisar in rank and there must be a FULL colonel in a regiment, no? P.s. just finished Only In Death what a major downer, also I love Hark now||

[severe trail]

I got some bad news about admech books, most of them aren't good lol

for heresy era mechanicum is good and thats about it

40k era Forge of mars trilogy is decent

there's some wierdness in it but its good

Titanicus is good

but admech really don't have many books or good books either

ironically one of the best depictions of the Adeptus Mechanicus is the Mechanicus video game

if you don't mind Marine stuff with admech stuff the Cawl books are good

[bleak void]

Thanks for the extensive answer

I'll look into these

that's rough tho

Marine/Admech mix is fine tho I like both factions

[severe trail]

The Great Work and Genefather are good but Genefather is weirdly short

but its a good book imo

[bleak void]

Are all these fine to just jump into on their own as listed ?

I know general lore and all that stuff

[severe trail]

Forges of mars trilogy, Titanicus the Mechanicum video game and The Great Work/Genefather can all be jumped into fine

Mechaincum is like book 9 of something in Horus heresy

yeah its book #9 of Horus heresy

[bleak void]

Well I'm reading book 14 as the first one so can't argue that

[vale wren]

||Probably because of the Gereon mission and the subsequent merger with the third regiment. It's like, right after the death of Corberc both Gaunt and Rawne dipped, presumed dead. And when they returned they got a bunch of officers from the third regiment. There probably wasn't a need||

[bleak void]

Why are the physical copies of 40k books so expensive on amazon

Should you just be buying these direct if you aren't finding your own copy

[severe trail]

black library doesn't do reprints often

[wet holly]

They are decent in the book tho.
Like I actually care about mostly all the characters-

[digital saffron]

I am 3 hours into my first audiobook in some 3 years

[wet holly]

Death Spoiler

||Also I was talking about Hounds death, a slave mutant from Nostramo.
He hardly is a bad person at all~ ||

[wet holly]

Watcha listening to

[digital saffron]

First Gaunt's Ghosts book

[wet holly]

Oh hell yeah!
Its up there in my list after a few others but I cant wait to read it eventually

[bleak void]

how is the voice actor?

[digital saffron]

Nice

I like the accent he does for the Tanith

[bleak void]

reader

whatever the term is

[digital saffron]

The Dragoons though

[wet holly]

And. Here. We. Go.

Time for the endgame gentlemen, I'll see you on the other side.

Glory to the tenth O7

I am actually scared of reading the last book lol

[wintry blade]

So are there any good Ork books worth buying besides Ghaz’s?

[wintry blade]

I've been looking at Warboss, but idk if its worth 14$ to read

[severe trail]

have you read Brutal Kunnin

[wet holly]

wha

[drowsy urchin]

Wha what

Nice sigmar book indeed

My favourite

[digital saffron]

About halfway through Gaunt's Ghosts book 1 so far

Really chill while drawing

[wintry blade]

I have, first book I ever read in 40K, very good, I love mike brooks’ work

Are there any others of a similar quality?

[wintry blade]

I kinda wanna read this too

[wet holly]

Me too but my list rn is endless.
As much as I dont want to I haveeee to make use of audible now even though I dream of having a library one day lel

Crawl and Fabius omnibus first tho.

This is a showdown it seems.
Wonder if its "endgame" material with one of them dying tho.
Would be cool if it was constructed in a way that had you guessing, since both characters seem to have a huge following.

[severe trail]

Not really for orks

[wintry blade]

Darn

[wet holly]

GIMMEEEEE

[wet holly]

I just managed to get my hands on the last print of 15 hours on amazon :O

[peak hare]

Any good books Darktide lore related?

[prisma phoenix]

Yo, as someone new to 40k books where would say is a good place to start?

[tall phoenix]

We got some good starter stuff on the pins on a relegated site, lots of recommendations you can view there

[shrewd silo]

Just pick the faction you want to read about.

Then recommends has them I think

[severe trail]

Darktides lore isn’t related to any books or anything else huge in the setting really

Books on an imperium hive world, the inquisition or chaos would give insight however

[somber kraken]

People are gonna disagree with this, but I'd say the Horus Heresy series if you've been a 2nd hand lore enjoyer for a while. It was a lot of fun reading the books after getting the basic rundowns from the lore youtubers.

[wintry blade]

My ass is not gonna read the like 20+ books in that series

[somber kraken]

It's like... 54 before you even get to the Siege of Terra, which is another 12 books lol.

I've just been going through em via audio books and they've been enjoyable. Lots of neat bits of still relevant lore scattered throughout

[shrewd silo]

just read book 1 to 5 then skip everything unless your interested in it.