40k-book-club

[tall phoenix]

🍿

[digital saffron]

Dilara is the only warden I don't mind

[tall phoenix]

wowie

[digital saffron]

Death!

[tall phoenix]

[brittle tapir]

die

[digital saffron]

I'll try

[last flicker]

Hi I heard we're talking shit about space wolves👀

[mellow knot]

takes notes

[digital saffron]

[tall phoenix]

https://images.gr-assets.com/hostedimages/1410365371ra/11097907.gif

[mellow knot]

I’ll never figure out how my re-post of someone else’s meme went viral.

[tall phoenix]

Because its funny and just clicked lmao

sometimes its just how it is

[mellow knot]

It does make me smile 🙂

[digital saffron]

I found it on a damn warcraft server lmao

[mellow knot]

Amazing

[forest spruce]

Because you posted it funnier

Dont ask how, even we dont understand it

[mellow knot]

I’ll just chalk it up as a win.

[iron ore]

started reading the night lords trilogy

50 pages into the first one, liking it more than eisenhorn so far

[iron ore]

seeing this movie as a child was so odd

[brittle tapir]

i watched it for the first time a week ago. seeing elijah wood as a psychopathic killer is very interesting.

[shrewd silo]

No eisenhorn is way better than dark imperium.
Idk tbh but ravanor the next book in the inquisition seires.
Dark imperium is just space marines, Gman and religion stuff.

[lethal valley]

Does fanfiction count?

On this channel as book club stuff?

[shrewd silo]

Idk but you want to talk about all guardsmen party or something like that

[lethal valley]

No it's eisenhorn related

I want to hire dingus or archon to write a very wholesome story about magos biologis drucha and Marshal Max

[orchid herald]

Guardsman party is probable one of the betterguardsman story. Written. Imv.

[shrewd silo]

To me it's kinda just better than a lot of space marine action books

You got a whole squad of characters who are just fun to be around not worrying about anything besides staying alive and not been executed for heresy after.

[jaunty stratus]

always has been, he gaslighted Sam into carrying him up a volcano. That sick Bastard

[timid verge]

https://youtu.be/_5CJK_GFnMw

BOOK TIME

[drowsy urchin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/09/the-end-and-the-death-volume-iii-the-final-cover-reveal/

oah

[tall phoenix]

downgrade

[drowsy urchin]

I like Horus in the new one more

[tall phoenix]

...

ITS LITERALLY THE SAME LOOK

[drowsy urchin]

the posing and over all presence I mean

[tall phoenix]

[digital saffron]

Horus' face looks like something from Courage the Cowardly Dog

[iron ore]

rare Dilara L

started the night lords trilogy by the way, ADB is the best BL author

after reading a bajillion 40k books

Dan had the title in my mind for years with ADB as 2nd but ADB takes it

[tall phoenix]

[iron ore]

damn right I got a fire opinion

[leaden ibex]

picked this one up. heard it was really good but will start it later

[orchid herald]

Witchfinder are you going to be running book club in full, including doing the books and the Prizes or is that Catfish still?

[tall phoenix]

As said before I literally am way too busy with my IRL job and also too incompetent and lacking in any sort of skill to do something like that

it was Aqshy's thing and don't think there's any replacement as far as I know.

[iron ore]

I’ll take care of it, give me access to the funds set aside for raffles please, I can be trusted with it of course, I won’t take it and run of course

[iron ore]

I believe almost every if not all alpha legion books are certified BANGERS

[digital saffron]

I thought sons of the Hydra was pretty boring

[brittle tapir]

colonial moment

[brittle tapir]

hating anything related to the word hydra

[jaunty stratus]

especially hydrants?

[tall phoenix]

Lmaooo

still cant believe thats Adrian Smith

Same guy.

[hoary mountain]

Ye, that's my favorite one

[tall phoenix]

the style is so different

i never had any idea it was him lmao

[hoary mountain]

Even if I'm still wrapping around who the fuck are those

[tall phoenix]

Proto-astartes

got repurposed to be Assault-Rifletodians

[hoary mountain]

What I like most through is how the blood angel symbol on sanguibius armour looks more like the eye of horus than the actual eye of horus in his armour

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its a black drop of blood its just very hard to tell from a distance

Here they are

From what I can theorize John Blanche was just messing about with what 30k Marines could look like since they needed stuff for the card game pre-HH series so he just did this.

then Adrian Smith just took it and plopped it on the artwork before GW finally took and re-purposed them as the gun-custodians.

[hoary mountain]

Tbh i would have liked it if they kept this look for the Sagittarum squads

Without obviously stuff like the pickle helm

[tall phoenix]

I couldn't find them in the store

its only their upgrade kit left

[hoary mountain]

Yep

[tall phoenix]

Maybe one day they'll return in 40k, adios my boys

[hoary mountain]

Also I find it really funny how in the top right there's literally a more modern version of the 30k marines

[tall phoenix]

Yep thats another old artwork of the Fists

all derived from early sketchworks

[digital saffron]

I hope my art gets this much of a glow up

[tall phoenix]

If Smith can improve from playdough men who look like they all need to take a dump to an actual museum-tier masterpiece so can you with time.

[hoary mountain]

Anyhow, this is the best emperor vs horus image ever

[jaunty stratus]

Emps as a white scar? I never thought he would get some sympathy from me

[slow rivet]

alpha legion lore makes my head hurt

was it silonius who died on pluto

also was hetzog on the emps side or horus

[tall phoenix]

He didn't die, he ordered a mass-retreat.

[tall phoenix]

The Emperor, he outright says this to Grammaticus.

[slow rivet]

wasnt that ingo

[tall phoenix]

No

even the lexi outright says it

[tall phoenix]

Also AL lore is very basic, people just tend to overthink it.

[slow rivet]

ic

[tall phoenix]

basically

theres both Loyalist and Traitor Elements.

But we only see chaos alphas due to marketing.

[slow rivet]

makes sense

[tall phoenix]

especially since their "main" faction is chaos on tabletop.

[slow rivet]

bet the loyalist alphas are just dark angel successors

[hoary mountain]

Everytime someone talks about alpha legion I still think about the fact they managed to sneak in thousands of on stasis marines under the imperial palace without anyone knowing

[digital saffron]

Dorn apparently knew and just didn't care

[tall phoenix]

man I hate 40k

[drowsy urchin]

He knew about the tunnels, not the alpha legionaries

They were the last resort of getting the Emperor out of the palace

[onyx kite]

https://tenor.com/view/he-cant-keep-getting-away-with-it-fed-up-done-upset-angry-gif-15272547

Fuck me, I just got to the last chapter of Straight Silver and Cuu is still alive

[tall phoenix]

Lmaooo

[orchid herald]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-men-dont-wear-plaid-steve-martin-carlos-carl-reiner-reni-santoni-gif-21659667

CRuu is like one of the most interesting characters that still around. in the tainth regiment otheriwse Molk and Ranwone (?) are the enxt too

[brittle tapir]

is this not one of the smoothest transitions ever? it takes the point of view of the admiral from that point on

*there's no spoilers in this because it's literally on page 2 lol

[onyx kite]

I don't think Cuu is particularly interesting, his character is very one-note. He's just evil and mean. His scenes are frustrating to me because he kills off other characters the same way every time and gets away with it the same way every time. The rape/murder trial of the civilian could have been a good time to write him out, but I get that getting him off was part of the Tanith+Verghast bonding side story between Gaunt, Hark, Daur, and Zweil. Plus it gave us Larkin's crisis of conscience afterwards and Bragg's murder. IMO everything that happened afterwards is too much. Killing the Aexegarian trooper didn't mean anything. Killing Muril ended a promising side story with the first non-Tanith scout after being commended by MkVenner. Doing the same showdown three times in the same book with Larkin with no resolution was awful. Cuu scenes are frustrating to read, his interference in the unit is gimmicky and he gets in the way of better characters.

I agree with your other two picks. Mkoll is consistently good and Rawne also has a long character arc with a lot of interesting progression.

[orchid herald]

the reason why I say Cuu is interesting is he provides a more Pscyhopathic element to the Tainth Band while yes he porbable should have been written out earlier he provides something else a more gritter sense that the tainth was on the degee and was almost wiped out. || on the other hand his execution by larkin (iirc) is a way of removing him and providng a sense of escape for Larkin and vengece anist braag and the other's he has killed. if anything it might have service long if Cuu had taken a chance to remove someone more important then Braag. ||

[slow pilot]

how is urdesh

[orchid herald]

depending on what you mean? if you means the book, it pretty good. if you mean the planet kind of a warzone. or rements of a warzone.

[forest spruce]

Just finished the twice dead king, the ending was not what i was expecting

9.5/10, love me some necrons

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its mostly because its 1 book that got split into 2 for business reasons.

the 2nd book is eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh but its a great pair

[forest spruce]

There really isnt any necron books besides twice dead king and infinate and divine right?

[tall phoenix]

Theres... Severed? Which isnt long but its fun

Otherwise uhhh.... yeah

Also short-story but massive recommend.

[forest spruce]

Sweet

Im prolly gonna start burtal kunning but thatll be added to my growing list

[tall phoenix]

🙏

[drowsy urchin]

I will not stand for this slander, Zultanekh will have your head

[tall phoenix]

[severe trail]

The 2nd book is worse then the first one in almost every way

But I still love them both

[tall phoenix]

Lmao

bro im trying to be nice 💀

[severe trail]

[tall phoenix]

[drowsy urchin]

well of course the first one's better but 2nd is not bad in any way

[jaunty stratus]

Good to read, thought I was the only one with that. It had its funny moments and overall the idea of accepting things and bla was a good idea. But ehh, the whole thing felt like a slog ||also it's Star wars episode 8 all over again ||

[tall phoenix]

Lmao god, not the first one to make that comparison and I agree 💀

[jaunty stratus]

Is the war in the museum a stand alone thing or is it available in a collection or something?

[forest spruce]

||I got attached to the lychgaurd and was upset every time one was lost||

[tall phoenix]

Its pre Infinite and Divine

It very much works standalone as wel tho, its just suppose to be a funny comedic short story where its basically Necron Night in the Museum

[forest spruce]

But im defiantly gonna try and add some lychgaurd and flayers to my necron army, and probably a monolith for dutimet

[jaunty stratus]

Is it the story about ||the bell thingy||?
Anyway, thanks for the info, will probably a fun read 🙏

[tall phoenix]

Nah the bell is not even a spoiler

its just a random mcguffin from Gathering Storm to give Trazyn the heads up that something BAD is happening before he drops it into the webway.

Also yeah super recommend it, its short but great.

[onyx kite]

Found a used copy of The Lost for $30 but no shipping notice yet, pray for me

[tall rover]

its really strange seeing art/model of a custodes with a bolter

[tall phoenix]

They are flexible so yea

[hoary mountain]

Is this the one about the nids escaping from stasis?

[tall phoenix]

Yep lmao

[digital saffron]

"What did I tell you about resuscitating the tyrant!!!"

[tall phoenix]

legit Night at the Museum

https://tenor.com/view/ahkmenrah-rami-malek-night-at-the-museum-dj-gif-12941565

related gif

[somber kraken]

Going through the HH series, and I realized that if Horus delegated responsibilities he probably wouldn't have fallen to Chaos. Could've handed off the administrative parts of the Great Crusade to Gulliman and focused on compliance at instead of feeling overwhelmed with all Imperium matters. For me, that's when it felt like Horus started going down the slope towards Chaos, where he started losing confidence and was more easily manipulated by Erebus.

I mean there are a lot of factors besides that, but I thought it was funny

[digital saffron]

Have you read the part where he gets a nice stabbing

[somber kraken]

yeah, but other primarchs got stabbed by demon blades and didn't fall. He fell because he felt like the emperor was purposefully setting him up for failure, and Erebus capitalized on that by showing him a false future where the traitor legions were left out of history

well I guess it wasn't a "false future", kind of a self-fullfilling prophecy

[shrewd silo]

Yeah but tbh the emperor and malcador kinda knew that's the one chosen for war master would fall.

[tall phoenix]

they read the script

[somber kraken]

is it confirmed that emperor basically knew about the HH or is that still theory crafting?

I'm going through the HH series chronologically and just finished Fallen Angels. I skipped Tales of Heresy because it sounded like it'd be just fluff considering it's written by various authors, but is it worth reading it?

[drowsy urchin]

some of the collections are pretty good, the earlier ones mostly

but yeah they're extra fluff that's going on during or between the main books

[digital saffron]

I believe it's implied he knew something would happen? I think in master of mankind or something

[ashen magnet]

What book is the “blight” one

Or bile

I don’t remember

[tall phoenix]

Fabius Bile?

[ashen magnet]

Maybe

I don’t remember

[tall phoenix]

Who?

[somber kraken]

Yeah, I went back and got Tales of Heresy and I don't regret it. Blood Games was pretty dope because I'm just a fan of anything involving Dorn lol

[ashen magnet]

I don’t remember

[ashen magnet]

It is him

I fount the books

Time to buy and read

[ashen magnet]

Are the fabius bile books a trilogy or are there 4

Because i keep finding 4 but have only heard it referred to as a trilogy

[jaunty stratus]

so what you're trying to say is, that the HH is not about daddy issues, but about burnout leading to chaos?

[somber kraken]

I mean I'd say it could definitely be both lol

[jaunty stratus]

[somber kraken]

I just remember the first time I was like "oh shit" it was when he had to deal with some administrative stuff and said he wanted to just kill the administrator that was harassing him

[tall phoenix]

Its a trilogy

• Primogenitor
• Clonelord
• Manflayer

All amazing books and better than the last

[frigid osprey]

A trilogy with 3 short stories

The omnibus I think combines the stories too

Oh, there's an audio drama too

[tall phoenix]

yeah Bile was really something

[iron ore]

what's the most underrataed horus heresy book

underrated

[shrewd silo]

Only read 25 of them.
Nemesis is a great fun action book the only problem is its in the Horus heresy seires so it's considered a filler book.

[iron ore]

only

Welcome to the TOP percentage of LORE enthusiasts

[shrewd silo]

Yeah when you go in expecting filler but then really enjoying the book there are no problems

[iron ore]

I'm still waiting for one to knock out my two favorites

[shrewd silo]

What are your favourites?

[iron ore]

Galaxy in Flames and Flight of the Eisenstein probably

Flight for garro and galaxy for saul and the fantastic scenery

[shrewd silo]

I think mines fulgrim

Just enjoyed all the human story lines and the a few of the main space marines

But the first 5 books of hh are easily the best of the 25 I got though

Only angle exterm was as good

Maybe betrayer

[iron ore]

betrayer was quite good

[shrewd silo]

Kinda sucks how I thought 19 and 25 where kinda just bad

I even dropped 25 moved to 26then dropped that to

Might have to pick it back up later

[iron ore]

nick kyme moment

[shrewd silo]

Ment the 2 ultra marine books

[iron ore]

26 is vulkan isnt it

[shrewd silo]

Also dark angles suck hard in hh

Yeah

[iron ore]

dark angels books are ASS in HH

They're just generic

[shrewd silo]

Was getting real bord of him getting roasted

[iron ore]

The Lion is such a cool character too

[shrewd silo]

It's kinda annoying that I read new lion book

Kept thinking this is basically is isekai manga but 40k

Dude gets reborn in a new world and is instantly the most OP thing in the world

[eager ivy]

i really need to buy arks of omen: the lion

son of the forest was such a good book

[tall phoenix]

the Lion is barely in it

you should just read it from lexi or reddit threads there isn't really that much

[eager ivy]

oh wow 128 pages

youre totally right

guess im continuing gaunts ghosts

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its not worth it

[drowsy urchin]

I bought all of them, I've only read two

reading books is HARD okay

[brittle tapir]

i keep being tempted to pre order siege of terra books even though i haven't read the first ones and judging by their size they're definitely 90% useless fluff

[tall phoenix]

Thats pretty much it

[drowsy urchin]

Honestly all the SoT books have been more or less bangers

'useless fluff' is what makes the books more enticing when it's not JUST the major events retold which are somewhat more or less already known

[brittle tapir]

when GW markets these books as the ultimate culmination of almost 20 years of storytelling i'd expect there to be mainly things which greatly affect the main storyline

[drowsy urchin]

well the main storyline is just that, they've just added a lot interesting stuff to work alongside with that

[brittle tapir]

does it at least address things left unanswered in the previous HH books?

[drowsy urchin]

such as?

[brittle tapir]

like characters who we haven't heard of for a while

[drowsy urchin]

for those whom have made it to the siege, yeah

[brittle tapir]

i read the interview with dan and he says lots of small questions get answered so im wondering if the fluff is really a ton of mini conclusions to old character arcs

[drowsy urchin]

it solely focuses on the solar system and what's going on there during the last push towards terra and finally the palace

lots of stuff about the fellowship from Calth have and will be told

[brittle tapir]

has loken returned yet

[drowsy urchin]

yes

majorly

[brittle tapir]

i might actually read these books just to know what happens to the king himself

how does he start the HH series again

"i remember the day the emperor died"

or something like that

[drowsy urchin]

I was there the day horus slew the emperor

[brittle tapir]

do you think dan waited 20 years to make the phrase even more ironic lol

[drowsy urchin]

probably not by original design

[brittle tapir]

i think a pretty nice way to end the series would be to use that phrase again

[drowsy urchin]

oh very much so and I believe it will

[jaunty stratus]

Lord of the rings ruined the meaning "fellowship" for me. First thing that comes to my mind is how Ol Person is on the quest to drop a ring into a volcano

[sage shadow]

Hey friends! What would you recommend to someone to start with if they wanna read Astra militarum (guard) stuff?

[tall phoenix]

Gaunt’s Ghosts or if you are looking for something newer, the Minka Lesk books

Also their main wiki page for general info since its all copy pasted from their codexes lol but that’s a side thing.

[sage shadow]

I want a cool story about the horrors of life as a guardsman on the frontline

Or that highlights those horrors I should say

[drowsy urchin]

Cain is pretty nice as well

More light-hearted but still a good dash of the horrors

[sage shadow]

Thanks for the recommendations

[random marlin]

Hm, sounds like my alley!

Here's what I wrote in the pinned article for where to start reading 40k, especially with less "heroic" stories for the Astra Militarum:

“Dark ‘n’ Gritty” (because we all need that in our lives!)

• 15 Hours by Mitchell Scanlon. We follow a young, bright-eyed agri-worlder as he’s drafted in the Imperial Guard and, thanks to an administrative error, his regiment is sent into a hellish warzone where the average lifespan for a guardsman is… you guessed it, 15 hours. The novel pulls absolutely no punches about the horrendous situation the hero is in.

• Dead Men Walking by Steve Lyons. When an ancient evil is awoken under a hive city, the Death Korps of Krieg are sent in to intervene… As the DKoK have traded their humanity for ruthless, emotionless efficiency, the civilians we follow (as well as other characters such as a Commissar) are rapidly stuck between a rock and a hard place.

• Fire Caste by Peter Fehervari. The simplest way to describe this novel is “Apocalypse Now meets 40k” with this story set on a rotten jungle world where Tau and Astra Militarum regiments are fighting an endless war. But everything isn’t what they seem as we follow characters from both sides. This novel is ruthless with its characters, who are all broken in a way but you somehow end up empathizing with them. There’s no plot armor here, and a lot of characters die in surprising ways. It probably has the most nihilistic ending of all.

And recently I read the short story The Sum of Its Parts which follow the entire "life" of a Leman Russ tank, from its creation on a forge-world to its last battle, and the various crews which used it and how. The author was very creative with this simple idea and I found it very enjoyable.

Closer to but a little less heroic than Gaunt's Ghosts or the Minka Lesk books, you have Steel Tread which follows the dysfunctional tank crew of a Cadian Leman Russ Demolisher, with people from different cultures forced to work together, Cadians being hostile with the "not real Cadians" and so on.

[sage shadow]

Thanks a bunch for this. 15 hours calls to me for some reason.

;Also, I'll definitely check out this pinned comment and site! thanks again @random marlin

[random marlin]

You’re welcome ☺️

[glass sparrow]

so this is a bit off topic: During the week leading up to the release of AC6 I decided to listen to Titanicus again (for the 4th or 5th time lmao) since I find it to be in most regards a good book to listen to whilst working, but I finished it quite quickly and had to look for more mech related books to fill the itch. That brings me to the moment I found a book trilogy that is attempting to set the scene for a new franchise including some war gaming models; it is called LAND&SEA and the books are Splashdown, Storm Surge, and Riptides. wanted to bring a little bit more light to them since I found the idea for the setting interesting. now I am back to lurking as I blast through more 40k books on Audible.

[gaunt leaf]

I want to find that Imperial Guard primer (cuz I'm a massive lore nerd) but it seems mostly to be expensive

[tall phoenix]

I'd suggest finding a PDF of it online on google.

Its not exactly piracy because its so old that its entirely out of print and also impossible to buy lol

[random marlin]

They reedit it from time to time but it's sold out fast.

I found two on ebay which were not too pricey, but it took months for me to find them. Good hunting!

[wise yew]

Yeah it's relic duplication

[drowsy urchin]

bold to come and ask pirated stuff from an official discord of a GW licensed product

[tall phoenix]

Like I said, not really pirating when its literally non-existant.

If it was like codices and stuff though yeah that's a no-go.

[forest spruce]

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[drowsy urchin]

it was a deleted comment asking for the Ghaz book

maybe banned dunno, same message was on #40k-lore-chat

[tall phoenix]

Oh lol

[gaunt leaf]

exactly

[orchid herald]

pretty good read to be Honest

[pseudo gazelle]

thats crazy

[last flicker]

Anything I should read before I start on Fulgrim?

[jaunty stratus]

Lmao, who buys a fanfiction brochure for 800 bucks? There are probably handwritten bibles out there, copied by some monk with literal gold letters, that are cheaper than that

[shrewd silo]

You could it you want read hh 1 tho 5 in order because all the books are pretty much the peak of the Horus heresy.
But fulgrims a pretty great stand alone book

[random marlin]

Yes, the price is utterly ridiculous and I wouldn't suggest buying it at that price. Otherwise, it's a fun read with a lot of work put in it. GW should just reedit more of it as this kind of price shows that they could sell more.

[digital saffron]

Anyone here that's read this?

[potent patio]

Has anyone read "Shadow of the eight" by Justin D Hill

[slow pilot]

How is black fortress

[random marlin]

I probably would have, but didn't enjoy Traitor Rock much as it was too action-heavy for my taste, just like Cadia Stands. I may end up reading it if I hear good things about it.

I read WitchBringer and Longshot, two recent Astra Militarum-focused novels, though.

[potent patio]

Yeah I hear that. I have read Shadow of the eight and it is action heavy but slightly balance it out with some mystery/investigation, but after reading it I wasn't satisfied with the ending. There wasn't that great of a conclusion to it but I like these books so.

[potent patio]

Are they any good

[tall phoenix]

There are 3 books for Blackstone Fortress, they aren't amazing by any means but very fun reads, id recommend it.

[orchid herald]

In your view what wass longshot narrative purpose. To me it was just a extremely winded way on explaing 2 thing the purpose of transplantes into cadian regiments and the role of the commissar. Witch bringer is interesting novel hope we get a sequel to it. And the devs in fs look at it use of psychic powers for dt psyker.

[orchid herald]

Yes ints actiony . Space opera. I like it. But it more of the same. But with politking involvement and transplates narrative. Your not cadia their your half your worth Earn trust ectect.

[potent patio]

Yeah I guess most wh books are a little samey at a point. I like the rollout of books like bloodlines where it's not war but civilian life a litte more

[orchid herald]

The bequin books are decent. And kingslayer too. Typically book focusing on non comat arm of the wh universe are decent stuff. All depends on the writer thou

[tall phoenix]

I have just finished Traitor's Rock like 2 days ago, I can very much describe it as "Well it was a Guard book." Its very cookie-cutter which isn't a bad thing but ill very much admit as good as the premise was I was kinda hoping for it to be over after a certain point.

The lack of effort on setting up the conflict properly was kinda meh aside from "take out this super fortress", I still enjoyed it to a certain degree and it does make a good job of showing off the Guard well enough for a siege operation

||And I love how the main traitor guardsman captain of the book and the priest that instigated the whole mess literally appears at the first few pages of the book then at the finale for our main characters to defeat them, thats literally by the time in the novel where you'll even forget they existed at all as antagonists ||

I think the only scene with any OOF effect was ||Dido's subplot where during the final attack she takes out all the pills she's been hiding in her pillow while bedridden by the medics and swallows them all to kill herself since she cannot take part in the final assault due to being paralysed from the waist-down, I didn't care about her character too much like anyone else but that scene was a bit too real for me||

[potent patio]

Yeah the last part with Dido hit hard ngl. I feel like this book in general was a filler for the minka lesk books. As you get introduced to the "new" cadians and get to know them as characters. They and lesk are together in shadow of the eight often.

[tall phoenix]

Definitely agreed yeah

I dont regret reading it but it was just "Well thats that done"

which is kind of the last feeling I want when reading a 40k book

[orchid herald]

Most guard stories are lacking oof. As a gaud story good if you like it ( i do). But the very same after 4 or 5 their kind of blend together longshot. Karskin and 2nd book of last chancers all follow simmilarish plot line angist the tau. The witchbringer was unquie. And same as servine reine. 2 stand out most in my mind for guard novels

[potent patio]

Mhm i agree. It feels so simple reading *traitor rock. Big fortress is enemy. We kill enemy. We win.

[orchid herald]

The fall of cadia (? Or cadia stand the first book in the serries) didnt feel like that. But lesk novels after did.

[tall phoenix]

I think the new cadia book is evidence enough that Cadia Stands was lackluster.

Like you literally follow a gang of nobodies and then stuff happens

This new upcoming one very much seems to be going to focus on the war itself with multiple characters on a grander scale.

[orchid herald]

The ash of cadia or creed. The one on creeds duaghter?

[tall phoenix]

Uhh the one written by Robert Rath, I forgot its name

[orchid herald]

The one coming out next week

[tall phoenix]

oh its literally named Fall of Cadia nvm

also yep when this first got announced I was like "Oh so it sa book collection retelling cadia's fall from previous books?"

Took me like an hour to realise that no its an entirely new book

Also goddamn 544 pages

[orchid herald]

Got it. Good rea

D

[potent patio]

What other books then 'cadia stands' actually talk about the fall of cadia if I may ask. Thought that was the only one

[tall phoenix]

Hmmm

[orchid herald]

You have the one above. Cadia stands. The first lesk book. The 13th cruasde book.

Also got the book from watches of the throne talk qbout it too in a off hand way

[tall phoenix]

Yeah very much that, its mostly because the Gatherign Storm series (mostly the first book the Fall of Cadia) explains A SHIT TON of the events in a detailed format.

[potent patio]

Ok. Is it just called 13th crusade

[orchid herald]

Bl edition lore suppliment size of a codex half as thick

https://www.amazon.com.au/Thirteenth-Black-Crusade-Andy-Hoare/dp/1844160998

[tall phoenix]

Oh man that takes me back

[orchid herald]

This book here details alot but wether or not it is inlore anymore is anyone guess

[tall phoenix]

It was mostly a first course piece before Gathering Storm revamped the entire setting.

so there isn't a lot in it, just general info

I'd say waiting for the new Fall book is a better bet

[potent patio]

Shit, guess getting the paperback version is out of the question

400$

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its an oldie

and no way that book is worth that fucking much

[orchid herald]

U only have to wait till next week

[tall phoenix]

Yeeee

I'm very interested to read it, mostly because obvious Trazyn cameo

[orchid herald]

Facts

[drowsy urchin]

oh shit it all makes sense now

why didn't I realise this earlier

now I gotta get is as well

Hope Richard Reed will be narrating the audiobook version

[tall phoenix]

Yep im guessing its mostly gonna novelize stuff we've seen from Gathering Storm Book 1 which would be great. The Cadia Stands book was neat when I first read it but looking back at it a few years from now its just kinda aged

[drowsy urchin]

I borrowed the book from a friend a few years back, forgot I had it and found it when I moved and returned it without reading it

[tall phoenix]

Yeah like nothing much happens in it, which is hilarious because you are literally writing the entire battle of Cadia lmao

Like its just following a random squad of soldiers, the invasion randomly starts in the background, more POV swaps around the battle before the tank trapdoor strat from Creed comes into play then oh no planet's exploding we gotta leave

You basically have no idea of whats happening in the general war itself.

[orchid herald]

Sounds like the truth ordos redactus is invesrigating pls stand by...

[tall phoenix]

So I entirely am not surprised this book is coming out, just a bit lol that its coming out now.

though good timing with Trunchbull Creed's book too i guess

https://tenor.com/view/matilda-trunchbull-rolling-gif-7823204

[potent patio]

I would think that this is a good side story for the fall of cadia. But it's horrible as a proper account what happens during the fall of cadia.

[random marlin]

I wasn't familiar with the cookie-cutter expression but that sums up nicely how I feel with all the latest guard novels I read.

And it's exactly this: "Well it was a Guard book".

About Traitor Rock, here's what I vaguely remember:

||- The military aspect of the story is very poorly written. Well, not poorly written but too bombastic and simplistic. Before that one, I had just read Blue Blood by Nick Kyme and had found this book refreshingly accurate on the tactical aspects of things, taking into account supply lines, reinforcements with the officers taking sensible decisions by examining the situation and data at their disposal. With Traitor Rock, we're back to "And then the general does a smart move, and the enemy doesn't understand it, and, ha ha, lots of soldiers land where it's not expected, ha ha!". As I have an interest in military history, it felt very childish.

• There were arcs which just went... unresolved? As if Justin Hill thought "ok, I'm not going anywhere with that one, better just leave it there".
• There were good war scenes with siege warfare and imagining the masses of guards attacking and so on, but with no emotional attachment to the characters, well... I'm not invested in it and just thinks "That's nice".||

So... well, it was a Guard Book. And I was kind of disappointed in it as Cadian Honour had a more original (and fun in my opinion) approach with the two opposite pov characters.

About the antagonists, I just don't remember them. I read the book a few months ago and don't remember much about it.

And that's the issue I have with the guard books. Aside from a few exceptions that I enjoyed a lot (Fire Caste, 15 Hours, Dead Men Walking and the short story The Sum of Its Parts), they're kind of not taking any risk, "just write big battles and it'll be enough".

I think the best war movies are anti-war movies, there seems to be so many missed opportunities to do something more with this aspect of the 40k universe.

I had forgotten about ||Dido's subplot||, it was indeed a good one. There are always some good scenes in the Justin Hill books I read, and this is one of them.

[potent patio]

cadian honour is real good book, as you said the orginal duel perspectives with a pilgrim/heretic and 101st is a fresh feel when i read that book

[random marlin]

I think it depends of what you're looking for in a Guard book and I'm aware I may be expecting too much of them. Books like Fire Caste or 15 Hours are right up my alley as they're using the source material well as still having something to say about war, propaganda, religious fundamentalism and so on. They're thought-provoking which is what I'm interested in.

I found both Witchbringer and Longshot average but for different reasons.

Witchbringer started very well with its prologue which I found very good, but then the story got bogged down. There were some good ideas in it, and I enjoyed the dark point of view of the author on the universe. I also liked that the antagonists weren't moustache-twirling villains. However, I didn't feel invested enough in the story and characters in the end, although I wish I did.

Longshot was a disappointment. I had enjoyed Transplants (a short story by the same author) but Longshot has a pacing issue I feel, because the two first acts of the novel are battles, and then the last part is the things the back cover promised, but it's a bit too late in the story to develop it as much as it should. And the final battle is very quick. There was also a good opportunity to explore propaganda in this book, as ||it is a Stalingrad-type of scenario, with a sniper being pushed as a figurehead against the Tau sniper. But the resolution isn't really satisfying. And the subtext of "The Imperium is justified to do as much propaganda" is, well... a bit embarrassing.||

I also had issues with the characters, as I only found a couple of them memorable. At one point, the main character runs into a sergeant and an officer she's worked with a couple of chapters before and... I was unable to remember what were their distinct traits. All the characters are valiant and faithful soldiers, but what about their personalities? They weren't memorable as, say, the ones in Gaunt's Ghosts as Abnett is very apt at making striking characters.

[potent patio]

thx for the details, but i would probably read Fire caste or 15 hours as you mentioned they were are something to analys and are thought provoking. that stuff i really like. Stuff like 1984 is so great because it makes you think deeper about society and things.

[random marlin]

There are many books explaining the role of the commissar, and several other recent books covering the concept of transplants , so I don't think those were the focus of the novel. To me, the novel could have explored the difference of points of view between the Tau and the Imperium and get something much more interesting out of it that what was done.

[slow pilot]

I think its only 2

[random marlin]

(Longshot spoiler) Btw, I think there's no resolution whatsoever about the ||Adeptus Mechanicus message that the protagonist has asked the voxcaster to decipher||, right? I wonder what was that about.

[orchid herald]

||if i remember correctly it details that there was an uprising before the Tau came. ||

[random marlin]

Oh ok, and that's all there is to it. Thanks!

Btw, I have been very critical of WitchBringer and Longshot but I don't think they're bad books either. If I compare them to old Imperial Guard books (excluding the good ones such as Gaunt's Ghosts or Fifteen Hours), they're much better for instance. And it's obvious the authors have put a lot of love and effort in researching the lore and making something that will please the 40k readers. Witchbringer in particular has a lot of qualities.

[orchid herald]

did you ever read Sabbat War the anotholgy (the one edited by dan abbentt but with all the other authories)

[random marlin]

Nope, I didn't! Did you read it and if you did, can you tell me more about it?

[orchid herald]

it basically a collection from the various auhories that run throught various faction like the Blood-pact, some of the Lesser known regiment like the Dragoons, Blue Bloods, Roane Deepers, and impeiral navy. the top 3 in my view is Glory Flight. Repatriation of the dead thorouhgt the Blood pact territory, the deep the roane Deepers conducting undermining operation (really gritty and realism high pretty accurate discription of WW1 mine warfare). and from here to there. Milo's story after the Latest book in Guants ghost.

[random marlin]

Sounds interesting, I'll keep an eye out for it when I get the chance.

[orchid herald]

you should, i found it a fun read, but i would recommand reading it after all the guants ghost books. treating it as another part of the serries.

[lethal valley]

What is the order for the indomitus books?

Seems to be some indecision?

[potent patio]

Idk fully. But I would begin with dawn of fire series then go to dark imperium series.

[open mesa]

I thought this was a fun read, though not an official one and with some grammatical errors.
https://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Civilian_Life_in_Warhammer_40,000_AD

[tall phoenix]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/09/06/dawn-of-fire-roadmap-the-saga-continues-with-sea-of-souls/

Damn its still going

[tall phoenix]

oh my fucking god

he literally looks like Eddie Murphy

[digital saffron]

Ah shit, he does

[tall phoenix]

Yeah not even reaching, literally looks like him

[brittle tapir]

is thag eddy murphy

[digital saffron]

No it's Ederius Murphy

My long long long long long long lost cousin

[tall phoenix]

Im legit losing my mind

its exactly like him

[digital saffron]

The artist has a Twitter I think

Let's ask him

[oak pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/eddie-murphy-gif-22939942

[slow pilot]

Chris Wright is pretty good but I enjoy the guy haleyverse

I like how he has recurring characters

[mellow knot]

Chris is also the nicest man in the world.

[orchid herald]

Has anyone read josh reynolds' apocylse. If so the dreadnought who or what is he none standard with his ability cast to deamon back to the warp

[lethal valley]

@tall phoenix @potent patio do I read the book called indomitus before them then?

Bought like 24 audible credits

[forest spruce]

Thats alot of books

[orchid herald]

Indomatius By grav thorpe. is what really kicks of the M41.996-m.42+, so i would read dawn of Fire before that as narratively speaking dawn of fire happens after these events or direct lead on. anyway Indomatius is 300-400ish pages., Inadditon to Watcher in the throne serries, they provide a decent grounding the Current 40k. Watch in the throne--> Indomatius, --> dawn of fire. see if you can get's 7tth eddition riase of the primarch book as it provide some details around. Rowboat wakeing

[tall phoenix]

Basically mostly what @orchid herald said

But like you KINDA just need to know the basics, you won't miss a lot if you skip some because a lot of these don't super go anywhere.

Dawn of Fire also has a few books you can entirely skip.

[potent patio]

If you mean this book, yeah you can read it already if you semi familiar with the current lore, it shouldn't be confusing or hard then. But as a book, I didn't like it honestly but It wasn't horrible. It's a space marine book with perspektiv of the necrons which makes it unique.

[tall phoenix]

Its written by Gav Thorpe so no surprise there

[jaunty stratus]

I've started with the plague wars series without these books and it's quite easy to follow, so I would say indomitus and dawn of fire and such just adds more background fluff and not so much "oh shit I need to know this as a foundation" content. Though it helps knowing what's up in the universe probably helped there for me

But most, if not all warhammer books I've read so far have so many exposition dumps, that you get to know who's who anyway

[potent patio]

I started getting into Warhammer as a concept with the plague war series and I got hooked by reading them. But it was hard lol, cuz I didn't even know what Adeptus Astartes even meant then or what Horus heresy was.
Pro tip, don't do what I did😂

[jaunty stratus]

don't worry, games workshop doesnt know either, as the words don't actually mean something

[potent patio]

XD

[glass lintel]

Pluto Nash rides again.

[tall phoenix]

NOOOOOO

[slow pilot]

Do I need to read something before ashes of cadia

[tall phoenix]

Nope

all you need to know is Cadia blew up

an easy thing to miss, believe me

[dapper quiver]

Recently got into Longshot it’s a good book I listen to the audio book while I work

Anyone got any other good imperial guard books they’d recommend?

[random marlin]

I read it and didn't enjoy it much, although it's a nice book. What did you enjoy in it?

[hearty niche]

I'm just about to finish Krieg and hot damn that's a good book

[dapper quiver]

It was my first book and also it follows the story of basically a commando

Talked about how not all Cadian regiments are specifically Cadian

[random marlin]

And what are you looking for in an IG books? Are you more into action/heroism, realism, interesting messages? So I can tailor my recommendations to your taste. 🙂

Oh and check the pinned message, there are good recommendations for IG in there. 😉

[hushed aurora]

So i just finished the plague wars trilogy of books and thinking what to read next. What book is the next in line in a chronological order? I know Guilliman goes to Nihilus so any books on that?

[potent patio]

honestly no idea, but if you want a book with some characters from plague wars series then Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work is a good read. The story takes place after the plague wars but the bigger picture with Robot Girlyman isn't in there, its kind of like a side meal. Good lore on Belisarius orgin and the primaris marines upbringing.

[hushed aurora]

Well im in luck since that book is sitting on my shelf, thanks!

[potent patio]

If you like Felix you should enjoy that book. Won't spoil to much but there are nice character development in there

[delicate gulch]

I finished the devastation of Baal and it finished with g mans arrival in nihilus but I'm not sure that we have a book regarding the crossing itself

[random marlin]

A few easy recommendations in the meantime:

• Transplants, a short story by the same author which happens before the events of Longshot;
• Steel Tread, which follows the dysfunctional crew of a Leman Russ Demolisher, which includes both "real" Cadians and transplants.

[dapper quiver]

I was looking at kasrkin, steel tread and outgunned

I’ll check out steel tread after my audio book finishes

Might get one next week to listen to while I work

[frigid osprey]

Baneblade and Shadowsword by Guy Haley are good reads, no prizes for guessing what they're about
Dead Men Walking by Steve Lyons is good too, it's Kreig Vs Necrons

[tall phoenix]

Do not fucking buy Kasrkin

its an incredibly boring book of some Kasrkin acting out of character for 200+ pages and fucking around in a desert/necron tomb, its really bad

The author also had that awful Space Sharks book before it

[random marlin]

How are they out of character (I didn't read it)?

[tall phoenix]

Just... you'd have to read it to understand it

its just not a good book and really stupid

the characters do nothing that makes sense as elite soldiers and the entire story goes nowhere

Its about as bad as his Silent Hunters novel where 5 space marines kill half of a Dark Eldar Kabal and also have an autistic kid with them who has Weird Powers™️ to see portal-doors that take our protagonist Marines to other locations 💀

He also just straight up rips off Dune tropes in the Kasrkin for some reason

[brittle tapir]

i like how hard it is to frick up a simple 40k story but some writers still choose to do it

[potent patio]

Crap. I have kasrkin in my bookshelf. I am hyped to read it someday, but Idk now. It sounded cool and interesting so I bought it.

Does it have a lot of action? Just some cool action at least.

[dapper quiver]

id say if you already got it might as well try it to see for yourself everyones got a different opinion im still gonna get the audio book but not as soon as i think i was

its like the tau some people love them others do not because they say it doesnt fit into the warhammer gothic theme

[random marlin]

Exactly, I didn't enjoy Longshot when @dapper quiver did for instance. And I'm fully aware that a lot of people enjoy action-heavy 40k books much more than me. That's why rather than recommending what I like, I tend to ask "what are you looking for in a guard book?", it helps knowing what people are looking for. Otherwise I'd just always recommend Fire Caste, Dead Men Walking and Fifteen Hours as I have a thing for nihilistic, thought-provoking books (with a healthy dose of satire, and Imperial Guard, just like Starship Troopers, is a good candidate for that).

[dapper quiver]

i hate the tau for my own reasons and was disappointed to see them fighting them instead of heretics. i wanted the commissars to have a more active role with the regiment and show how GW portrays them, as this mean and burtal figure that will shoot you for the slightest thing against the empire. i feel as though she is a sniper always out she would be under more watch than other guardsmen due to her being away from the commissars about 80% of the book

dont get me wrong its a good book which is a 6/10 for me. i liked the perspective it took on a squad leader caring about her team and feeling something when a teammate she cared about passed away.

near the end of the book is when i thought it went down hill with the whole (spoiler) ||capture|| thing. i feel like it lied to me the way the story was being told and then suddenly boom she (spoiler) ||ended up being loyal the whole time without the reader knowing even though we were literally in her head||

i do like a action book with a story though and in the gritty fighting and way of life into it and the hardships of being in the imperium and id be all over it

[tall phoenix]

Its genuinely a bad book but if you got it may as well read it

Its not unbearable but you will definitely start scratching your head a good way into it.

[tall phoenix]

I think Longshot is a case where if you just want a basic guard book you're bound to like it but if you look deeper into it its just kinda cringe with its ending.

Like it just sends entirely the wrong message and you're gonna get people brigading about "Imperium Number 1" after reading it which is kind of the worst thing you can do as BL writer imo

[dapper quiver]

It’s imperial propaganda for people like me lol

[tall phoenix]

I hate fascists so not for me

[paper maple]

Yeaaah like even as a Astartes fan the book ending was bizarre, I could have used more Imperial warcrimes but her just disliking the Tau out the blue because they conscript people was extremely moronic.

Shame because I was enjoying the book slightly before it instantly dropped for me.

[random marlin]

So I wasn't the only one disappointed and annoyed by this ending... That's a relief. ^^

[paper maple]

Yeah nah man I saw a good big thread of people disliking the ending of this book, like it almost felt as if someone in the editing room interfered or something, thats how random it was.

If I wanted Imperial apologism ill go to reddit/twitter

[random marlin]

Yeah, the justification of the Imperial propaganda reminded me of other books which made me very uncomfortable such as Honourbound or Krieg. It's easy to imagine some... extreme people enjoying it.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah a lot of Krieg fans dont realise the loyalist Krieg are suppose to be the much worse bad guys of the book.

and you aren't suppose to cheer for them dooming their planet to be a nuclear holocaust wasteland and enslave themselves to the Imperium lol

[paper maple]

That's Krieg fans for you

Imp stories work better when the author constantly acknowledges that its either good people working in a horrible regime that are trying to do right or just straight up morally evil characters thinking they are doing the right thing.

Its why I love Eisenhorn

[iron ore]

half the community is actual nazis and the other half is femboys, some crossover, but that's the reality

Also, I read steel tread and it was entertaining

heard kasrkin blew

[tall phoenix]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShaskaisWarhamBits/comments/yk0pl6/summary_of_the_karskin_novel_by_edoardo_albert/

Here's a great summary of it, its so funny

[iron ore]

doesn't feel like 40k at all lmao

The dune tropes also

I wish I could make 6 figures writing lukewarm fan fiction

Well that's what nick kyme does

[tall phoenix]

I really hope this guy doesn't write for BL again

[iron ore]

Me after reading Guy Haley bolter porn

[tall phoenix]

[iron ore]

are the vaults of terra books any good?

I heard the ending is a fucking JOKE

[tall phoenix]

They are pretty fun/alright

the last one-

Yeah

[iron ore]

You know what book series slapped like 10-15 years ago?

The dwarves by markus heitz

[tall phoenix]

Like it literally does fuck-all for the first part of the book, then the last part is them fucking around in Commorragh before the ||entire cast gets massacred nonchalantly as they try to escape through the webway.||

[iron ore]

that's so fucking funny

[tall phoenix]

IT IS

[iron ore]

I gotta read these

[tall phoenix]

The Inquisitor is also turning into a dark eldar

because he got a resident evil virus

[iron ore]

Ya that makes sense

How tf does one get a job in BL

[tall phoenix]

Shakespearean

[iron ore]

ive edited two dogshit books irl

i bet i could get a gig

[tall phoenix]

Okay so jokes aside theres two ways

You are either an old guard that was around when 40k was getting made

or

A good writer that they just notice

[iron ore]

I'll straight up give head to james workshop for a short story

[tall phoenix]

I know the writer for Brutal Kunnin had to make some short stories before he got approved to make a full book, and had to talk to a friend in BL to grease gears

so it definitely requires a it of reputation

also i guess being a guy

[iron ore]

that's true there are no female BL authors

[tall phoenix]

shoutout to all 4 female BL writers

[iron ore]

There's 4?

[digital saffron]

Ye we've got one here

[tall phoenix]

I joke but yeah not a lot

[iron ore]

I thought Sandy Mitchell was a woman until I saw it was a psuedonym

[tall phoenix]

Yeah idk why he even does that

we literally know his real name

[iron ore]

He prob thought it was finna tank his career

[tall phoenix]

LOL

[iron ore]

james earl jones did the same shit w star wars

before it took off

[tall phoenix]

or you can be like Abnett, aka write any shit and have the most spineless editor, so you can produce 3 Finale books to the Horus Heresy

fucking hell man

[iron ore]

Abnett is the stephen king of BL

editors try to do anything and he straps them down and beats them to death

[tall phoenix]

^

[iron ore]

imagine being king's editor trying to get him to take that one part out of "IT"

[tall phoenix]

Like people assume BL are stretching this out when in reality Abnett literally said hes making 2 more Part 2-3 books because he wrote so much shit.

[iron ore]

and king just rails a line of blow and says DONT TRY TO STOP ME RAHHHHH

[tall phoenix]

💀

I do like Abnett but he can kinda meh.

[iron ore]

I was fucked up at an applebees talking to a waiter about "IT" and how it excluded that one scene from the book in the movie

and he didn't believe me until he googled it

and was like how the fuck was that allowed

[tall phoenix]

its like when you are an old guard/your own writer you can get away with anything

[iron ore]

If I was Dan Abnett I'd just pick a faction and ruin them

His depiction of orks in that one Eisenhorn short story is fantastic

[tall phoenix]

Kyme has Salamanders

Gav has Eldar/Dark Angels

Kelly has Tau

[digital saffron]

Kelly has Tau

[tall phoenix]

kek

[iron ore]

Kyme should be sent to Guantanamo Bay for his salamanders books

[tall phoenix]

LMAO

[digital saffron]

Kyme also has Ultras though I heard Knights isn't awful

[iron ore]

Torture that guy until he knows how to make a storyline pay off

he also did blue bloods which fucking stunk

[digital saffron]

And these are all the guys high up in the company right

[iron ore]

Kyme gotta have insane black mail on James Workshop

[tall phoenix]

"Let's make a book about a regiment literally nobody likes"

[iron ore]

that man has committed war crimes with his writing

[digital saffron]

Aren't he and Kelly like

[iron ore]

"Give me the Salamanders and watch me make them the most boring wet napkin thing in the HH"

[digital saffron]

Lead editors/Creative Leads at BL

[iron ore]

No idea, I have no information on actual structure, I just like to make fun of people more talented than I on the internet

[tall phoenix]

Kelly is the lead editor iirc its why he gets away so much

[iron ore]

Is Gav Thorpe any good

I cant remember if I liked anything he wrote

I assume most dark angels books blow

[digital saffron]

Oh he's creative lead on AoS

At least that's going well for him

[iron ore]

Yo some of those AoS books go hard

I hate that setting cause high fantasy aint my shit

But they got some talent on that team

Godeater's son fucking schlapped

[tall phoenix]

Thorpe is a bit of a weirdo

like uh

he basically has a vision for the factions he writes and he wont sway away from it.

If you wanna die go read Wolftime

or his Path of the Eldar novels

[iron ore]

I was just typign "was he the one that ruined the eldar in books" lmfao

[tall phoenix]

LEL

Yeah thats putting it lightly

[iron ore]

I know path of the dark eldar is good but that's not thorpey

[tall phoenix]

every one of his eldar books is shit

[digital saffron]

And now he's writing the first Leagues book

[tall phoenix]

and yeah thats good BECAUSE he didnt write it

[tall phoenix]

this too

💀

he posted a tweet on it

and deleted it

lmao

[digital saffron]

Did he write the Eldar PA book?

[iron ore]

I'd write a leagues book and describe a chaos marine pulling a votanns spine out and using it as a weapon

Votann are just short tau

[digital saffron]

They're dwarfs in space

[iron ore]

"Rock and stone!" Yea how about go fuck yourself

lmfao

Sorry I hate innovation

[digital saffron]

Like honestly besides looking kinda cool they're literally just a basic scifi trope kek

[iron ore]

I've been wanting to read brothers of the snake recently

[digital saffron]

"There's these vaguely norse coded short people and they're omega capitalists and also racist"

[iron ore]

some more dan the man abnett fan fic

[iron ore]

take out the short part and it's literally me

kidding kidding

[digital saffron]

That's just the admech

Sometimes

I need me more stuff on non-chimperial humanity

40ktwitter is making me hate imperium crap

[iron ore]

I want BL to publish a book that's just a feudal human politcking game of thrones type bullshit and at the last 50 pages every character and storyline and history youve loved gets smashed by a drop pod and smoked by random SM or CSM

the trope of building up a tiny universe to be smashed in the eyes of the bigger universe is a fave of mine

[orchid herald]

Like the cloest you might get there is like angels pf caliban. Which is Da doing inner circle politking.

Ederius you do realise why people hate it. Right. That beacuse it satire. It funny how many peopke dont realise this. It takes extreme in some of the most absured. Items

[digital saffron]

I know it's satire and I like my funny spacemen, but there's only so much weird roleplay I can stomach

[tall phoenix]

Yeah like no offense

I have seen enough stupid Rylanor, Primarch, Black Templar accounts going after queer 40k twitter accounts.

[paper maple]

Seconded. Those people are not RP'ing, they are assholes.

[iron ore]

you mean wokehammer L's on twitter?

[digital saffron]

Among like 50 others lel

[iron ore]

Him and marshal bohemont have been waging a WAR on twitter

[tall phoenix]

^

[iron ore]

I just read the arguments and am so enamored with how much free time these people have

[tall phoenix]

Those guys are the definition of a no-life god damn

[iron ore]

We're gonna be a screenshot on their twitter in 2 hours I guarantee it

[tall phoenix]

and I thought I was worse

[digital saffron]

Have you gotten to the Hitler apologist parts

[tall phoenix]

Ah well we had a good run

[iron ore]

Yea they're called krieg fans

[digital saffron]

Kek

[iron ore]

God forbid an esoteric twitter account goes after me

I booted up a game w someone I met through warhammer and man had 1488 in his username

[digital saffron]

I'll never forget seeing one guy very confidently going "You stupid tourist! Space marines can only be blue!" under a post with pride marines

[iron ore]

guess his fave faction

[iron ore]

the current chronically online argument is that OG creators have said warhammer is not supposed to be satire

now idk about any of yall but it do be feeling real fucking satirical

[digital saffron]

Yeah it was super serious fr

[iron ore]

https://tenor.com/view/xd-meme-funny-emoji-gif-15406750

[tall phoenix]

Its because Jervis Johnson said so or something

but like you know

that guy literally left 40k like 2-4 years in

and hasnt been around for 30 years

[iron ore]

like I give a fuck what james workshop said in 1983

[tall phoenix]

Literally this yeah

40k is satire.

[iron ore]

Company is ran but souless suits now

and I LOVE IT

[tall phoenix]

like the most recent tyranid codex

[iron ore]

40k is supposed to be fun

[tall phoenix]

literally has an imperial preacher say tyranids are fake news and that the populace admitting they are real are heretics AS THE PLANET IS BEING INVADED

jeez

sounds kinda familiar

[iron ore]

Remember skaven in fantasy

[tall phoenix]

[digital saffron]

No

[iron ore]

no such thing as a rat man

[digital saffron]

[iron ore]

insane thoughts

[digital saffron]

Just hairy dwarfs

[iron ore]

Skaven denial is so crazy to me

you live in a world with WIZARDS AND ORKS

but I get it's a play off black plague denial etc etc

since WHF writers had the creativity of a sponge

[tall phoenix]

Yeah and its only the Empire

and generally the peasant class

the smart ones know

[digital saffron]

But Siggy don't you know Warhammer fantasy was super cool and amazing and original and AoS is bad?

[tall phoenix]

aaaa

[iron ore]

I love WHF with my life

but AoS rocks in its own way

[digital saffron]

Fr

[iron ore]

WHF was great for people in historical wargaming and common tropes

[digital saffron]

Glances at #darktide-memes mocking AoS

[iron ore]

AoS is the rasberry vape to WHFs cigarette

And 40k is the crack pipe

[digital saffron]

Anyway yeah so 40ktwitter is it's own world of mindless stupidity and am now motivated to make a not so bad human breakaway

[orchid herald]

Nah if you want wh history you go for the actaul gw history mini game they did in the early yrs

[lethal valley]

Guilliman is the best representation of my form of AuDHD I have seen in literature..

[slow pilot]

why did nobody tell me

[tall phoenix]

Its very easy to miss these days alright

[jaunty stratus]

So that Goff Rocker is serious business? Ah the Internet really is the ultimate hive mind of intellectual superiority on every field

[iron ore]

according to the schizo side of the hobby

[jaunty stratus]

You mean the "redpilled" one? Or was it blue?

[iron ore]

https://tenor.com/view/both-sides-seem-fucked-matty-matheson-both-of-them-are-fucked-both-are-in-a-bad-place-both-sides-look-messed-up-gif-26322595

[jaunty stratus]

[delicate gulch]

People seem to forget that you are only normally taking pills if you are already ill

[fading lake]

whats the book that has the navy breachers?

[orchid herald]

You talking about killteam. It galllowhulk. The one with kroot and breachers. If your looking for a bl novel armaduke in sabat world anthology.

[fading lake]

Yeah the BL novel

I recall seeing one that had them on the cover

[tall phoenix]

This book isn't going to be about them so be warned.

[fading lake]

Ah, appreciate it

[random marlin]

I haven't read any of the dawn of fire novel, but I'm assuming that, as they're on the cover, we'll follow one of them as a pov character among other various pov characters?

[tall phoenix]

Possibly so

also here let me give you a quick review

[random marlin]

I only read Steel Tread by Andy Clark and found it quite enjoyable. And I think I saw your review already, it only reinforced me in not starting reading Dawn of Fire novels. ^^ But I'll admit the cover with the Navy Breachers and the rogue trader Eddie Murphy intrigued me.

[tall phoenix]

Same here.

Like its a shame because this series had so much potential, even people I know that like it have said a lot of the books in it are very mediocre.

[potent patio]

Did wolftime get the worst review because it was Gav thorpe?🤣

[tall phoenix]

Mostly because the book was absolute dogshit

but Gav was the icing on top, so you are somewhat correct

[random marlin]

(wolf... it was wolf... never mind)

[tall phoenix]

💀

but also we had like 2-3 users trying to read it here and I think only 1 managed to finish it and the other 2 stopped reading midway from how dull and boring the novel was

I get why because absolutely nothing happens in it

[potent patio]

Can you skip it if your reading dawn of fire?

[tall phoenix]

Yes.

lmao

its the only DoF book id say entirely avoid.

it adds nothing to the over-arching narrative

minus "Oh wow space wolves have accepted Primaris into their ranks" yeah who woulda thunk

[potent patio]

Aight, well I will definitely avoid reading it then when I get going with dof. Maybe just buy the book so it's in the collection

[tall phoenix]

yeah fair enough

[iron ore]

I enjoyed steel tread

It was a fun read

[forest spruce]

Youve gotten alot of use of that 1 picture

[tall phoenix]

Its not my fault its the perfect review format alright

[forest spruce]

Still laugh every time i see your review of wolftime

[tall phoenix]

lmao i try

[delicate gulch]

I'm listening to "Wrath of the Lost" atm and I really have to say for a fleshtearers book it does have very much introspective parts but I'm not through it yet 7 hours left

[slow pilot]

be about who

[tall phoenix]

Eddie Murphy

hes on the cover

[slow pilot]

i thought that was photoshopped lol

i thought it really was eddie murphy

[tall phoenix]

Nah but it looks EXTREMELY like him which is what makes it funny

like it had to be on purpose

[orchid herald]

Would recommand catachan the devils . Justn wooley. The novel bl if you like steel tread. .

[mellow knot]

Morning book buddies

[random marlin]

Hey, how are you?

[orchid herald]

Kentucky book of the day?

[tall phoenix]

Honestly its an alright book?

but it will definitely have some parts where you'll find it weird, ||like the main character becoming an honorary catachan fighter by the end of it||

I just didn't think much of it because it was kinda too generic.

[orchid herald]

I would say ot just a guard story. Along with longshot. Stelel tread. Part of the guard. Standard. Whike i think the last few pages are the best.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah it was just alright for me

[rancid iris]

I thought that dude on the cover was Eddie Murphy which would have been amazing.

[rancid iris]

OMG you beat me to it.

[tall phoenix]

it LITERALLY exactly looks like him

im guessing the cover artist just used him as reference?

Its genuinely uncanny

[tall phoenix]

Unfortunately you'd need to find it on 3rd party sites like Ebay

that book is from 2009 and a physical copy would be mostly non-existant

[potent patio]

found it on amazon for 2600 swedish krona

(230 dollars)

[tall phoenix]

Jesus christ

nobody is paying for that shit

[potent patio]

XD

only if your as rich as GW you can buy it

found a used book on a swedish selling site for 9 dollars actually

[forest spruce]

Uhhhh didnt mean to hit reply

But uhhh yeah 230 dollars is believable because i seen this one on amazon

[ashen magnet]

Average warhammer item cost

[tall phoenix]

We condone pirating on this server.

Because discord guidelines are mean

[potent patio]

or just spend 10 buck on black libary and get it

[forest spruce]

The fact that i have a tri corn hat, a black flag with a jolly roger and a suspicious pile of gold doesnt mean anything i swear officer

[tall phoenix]

[forest spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-depp-pirate-pirate-salute-salute-intergalactic-pirates-of-the-caribbean-gif-25016099

Speaking of alleged pirates are there any ork books featuring the free booters?

[tall phoenix]

Theres no definite ork pirate book unfortunately

they appear in codexes mostly and even in Brutal Kunnin' THE prime ork novel they are there as a cameo lol

[forest spruce]

Damn

[orchid herald]

anyone picked up Creed Ashes of Cadia?

[random marlin]

I'm hesitant about picking it up. Been reading a lot of mediocre Guard books lately and I'm in the process of reading a novel about the war in Vietnam right now, written by a vietnam veteran, and it's impressive how more I'm invested in it than in the last guard books I've read.

[wintry blade]

Are any of the Ork books worth buying? I really don’t like paying for a book that I’ll probably never read again, it’d be different if I could check it out or something from somewhere

Also they’re pretty short so I’d be paying for like a night of entertainment

[random marlin]

I only read two: I liked Brutal Kunnin' as it was a lot of fun but found the Ghazghkull Thraka one just ok.

[brittle tapir]

what's the book?

[random marlin]

It's called Matterhorn by Karl Marlantes.

[wintry blade]

Brutal Kunnin was amazing

[random marlin]

Yeah, thought it captured the Ork spirit well, and it was a fun ride, even if I felt the pacing was a bit off near the end. Oh and the Adeptus Mechanicus were the perfect opponents for Orks in this book.

[hearty musk]

Any recommendations for new books recently?

I haven’t read anything since early summer

[wintry blade]

Which Ghazghul one?

I was thinking of prisoners of waaaagh

[shrewd silo]

Warboss Mike brooks was very fun to read if you want orks.

[random marlin]

The Prophet of the Waaaagh one

[potent patio]

shadow of the eight is good imo and recent, its part of minka lesk serie.

[sweet dawn]

Fellow warhammer enthusiasts, I have a question

Does anyone know what that intro song is called that plays before EVERY Warhammer audiobook ?

[tall phoenix]

It's custom tracks made by the in-house GW studio

unfortunately they never make these public

[sweet dawn]

unfortunate

[tall phoenix]

yeah alas

[humble trail]

heyo guys help me decide what i should read first, Eisenhorn trilogy or the Night Lord's books

[tall phoenix]

Night Lords would be my vote

Eisenhorn is good but its also like the book series everyone recommends to people lol

[orchid herald]

Night Lords if you can try see if you can read Last chancers or SM battle Serries (my favourite Pandorax)

[shrewd silo]

My only problem with reading nightlords is that it feels like some of the best space marine writing in 40k and it sets expectations very high.
Thing is 40k space marines books is mostly mediocre with a few gems.

Got though a probably 50 40k books and night lords, first 5 HH books, guants ghosts, caiphas cain, esinhorn/inquisitor seires and a few one shots like warboss and kingmaker are great and the rest are mediocre

[drowsy urchin]

both trilogies are amazing, and as stated above the nightlords trilogy sets the bar pretty high that pretty much no other 40k marine-centric book reaches. Eisenhorn is very very good as well but that one gets better the further in you go with the Inquisitor saga

as in Eisenhorn < Ravenor < Eisenhorn again < Bequin

[glass lintel]

Night Lords is good, and the protagonists have to work to acheive their goals.

Eisenhorn . . . 🤷‍♀️

Eisenhorn and Gaunt's Ghosts were both made during a more 'heroic' era of 40k about Really Cool Dudes™️ who built the foundation of the setting with the corpses of a frankly hard to believe number of enemies. It's where you get some of the more outlandish snippets of a single marine defeating a greater daemon or guardsman out-sniping Eldar.

Night Lords is a hard book to move on from, because it brings the stakes back into 40k. Our protagonists are beaten, broken, dismembered, and driven insane, and every battle feels like a threat because of it.

[tall phoenix]

Night Lords also very much has the effect where you read the trilogy and expect more from them but then realise they will always remain as a footnote chaos faction that GW has forgot even exists

[frigid osprey]

Eisenhorn does kick ass though and Xenos is still the quintessential 40k book. Inquisitors and rogue traders are key to the setting and by following them you see all the other aspects of the Imperium too. And seeing space marines from a human perspective just kicks ass, it makes them better

So Xenos is always my rec for first 40k book.
But if you already know you want to follow marines then read Night Lords

[tall phoenix]

Eisenhorn is good but definitely suffers a bit from overexposure

Also the way Abnett handles the setting (aka "I do/write whatever the fuck I want") is a bit of a shock when most first readers read anything else afterwards as their first 40k books that isn't his work, its something ive seen as a complaint a lot.

[loud bramble]

Debating either starting the Eisenhorn series or continuing my guard binge with steel treads

[slow pilot]

Got number 95

[potent patio]

Got the last on the shelf in my local wh store. Don't know if I will like it but I am honestly fine if it is mediocre. I just want more cadia lore (classic cadia fanboy here)

[slow pilot]

Never read anything by Jude Reid

[tall phoenix]

can recommend Fall of Cadia after this

posted the summary of it in the lore channel yesterday, seems like a fantastic book

[random marlin]

Steel Tread is one of the good ones imo.

[iron ore]

eisenhorn is like 9/10 steel tread is a solid/good 7.5/10

i take 1 point away from eisenhorn for rushed endings (somehow after a billion pages) and an unecessary 4th book

[orchid herald]

i would be interested to see the dsitrubted of lcoation numbers like 1-300 uk, 301-1000 NA, and 10001-1750 to Asia

[slow pilot]

what number did you get

[orchid herald]

1625

[glass lintel]

Night Lords is an awful example for Space Marines because I'm convinced there's no other series where all the context you need is in Book 1 and the consequences are wrapped-up by Book 3.

[orchid herald]

i note most of the numbered edditions i have got are all ethier in the latter part of the serries. (6/7th eddition eldar codex 999/1000) and the honourbound 1616, Shadow of the 8th 941.

[glass lintel]

Likewise, Eisenhorn and Gaunt's are problematic because the greatest existential threats to the setting crumble pitifully to a middle-aged mortal man with creaky knees.

"Oh no, the Fourteenth Black Crusade made it to Terra itself? Have you tried putting Hector Hardassius in the throne room so they can give Daemon Prince Abaddon a pithy one-liner before shooting them between the eyes with a laspistol and killing them instantly?"

[iron ore]

Gaunt is just 40k sharpe

eisenhorn it makes sense for inqiusitors to be OP

[shrewd silo]

It's pretty funny I like some of the guants ghosts books a lot but some are terrible to.
Like the ww1 in 40k book sucked ass while the sneak onto the a chaos planet was great.
||even tho they made the ghosts seem more like elite raven guard then sneaky guardsmen.||
||Kill a obliterater squad with a few sneaky boys and a few tribesmen is almost as bad as eldar getting reked by some kids with rocks or custodies dying enmass to some harlequins||

[slow pilot]

i just started the first blackstone fortress and im confused. why does draik need a special pilot when he has already been to the fortress before?

[drowsy urchin]

What is the special pilot called

[tawdry robin]

Any recommendations on what book to read after Steel Tread?

[frigid osprey]

There's an entire supporting cast

[orchid herald]

it you want to follow on with the guard theme i read Starken and Catchan. if you want something more engaging an narrative last chancer (omnibus and Armageddon saints),it depneds on the length of book you want one off the former the latter is more of a narrative serries.

[uneven crane]

Ayo, I'm trying to suggest some 40k novels to friends in a small book club I got going, but they're afraid they gotta do a whole lotta Googling in order to understand what's going on or what something is. Can anyone suggest some good beginner friendly 40k novels that don't lean hard on jargon?

[tall phoenix]

We have a good list pinned by one of the BL authors from our mod team in this channel

☝️

[random marlin]

If you want a closer style to Steel Tread but still with Catachans, you might want to take a look at Catachan Devils.

[uneven crane]

Thanks Dil!

[tall phoenix]

Np hope it helps

[jaunty stratus]

||obliterators? Weren't they "just" chaos space marines?||

[shrewd silo]

||They are chaos terminators with a virus that makes there lims into guns that can transform.
But they all die while the team just gets injured||

[tall phoenix]

I dont think Obliterators are really a spoiler

[shrewd silo]

Or maybe it really was a csm.
I was very sure they were obliteraters

[tall phoenix]

were their names said outright

and had a capital beginning letter

for marketing reasons of course

[glass lintel]

Seeing as how most of the supporting cast are The Dumb One With the Machinegun, and The Quiet One With The Sniper Rifle, there's little mechanical difference in the story between Grizzled Vet And Entourage and a T'au with a soulless drone programmed to receive one-liners.

Again, Night Lords is both a recommendation and warning because of how much its cast break the mold from the majority of the Black Library that it's difficult to pick up other books afterwards.

I think my biggest issue bar-none is for the trope of

"Our elite team - 90% of BL protagonists - encounter a civilian or other individual who represents an aspect of 40k that's rarely focused on."
Eisenhorn: "Wow, it's a female ganger who rose through the ranks of her hive before joining an Inquisitorial retinue! That's and awesome concept with so much pote- ||oh she died on like, page 3||."
Night Lords: "A female imperial navigator is taken away from a long-haul freighter for a rogue trader which is the best her family would give her, though she always dreamed of something greater. It's warped and heretical, but the ability to lead an Astartes strike cruiser is more fulfilling than honorable than directing a glorified truck for her whole life." She and other mortals who give a humbler perspective on Astartes remain prominent characters for all three books.

[tall phoenix]

How dare you imply Dan Abnett cannot write good side-characters

[frigid osprey]

theyre not beyond criticism but after reading the first 3 eisenhorn pretty recently theyre better than that

[tall phoenix]

How many times do I gotta be reminded that female characters wear skintight suits.

[shrewd silo]

I will say in Dan's defence after awhile in ravonor it really was just ravanor thinking about how hot his crew are and how desperate he is for human touch and affection.
||she had fat in all the right places||

[tall phoenix]

Lmao I know but it is Dan writing this

so I guess maybe he was just going through a horny phase idk

[shrewd silo]

Yeah probably

But that said ravanors one thirsty cripple.

[tall phoenix]

guy aint getting any action anymore ever since he got Professor X'd

[shrewd silo]

[jaunty stratus]

Hmm, maybe it was lost through the translation on my side. They always were just called chaos space marines

[jaunty stratus]

||I made you click on the spoiler, I wasted your time ||

[ashen magnet]

Sometimes i cry and then i get spooked by your pfp and cry harder

[jaunty stratus]

[jaunty stratus]

It's just as literary nuanced as the infamous "Beefswelling" from another prominent franchise

[slow pilot]

I really like the black fortress

Its like a dnd campaign

[tall phoenix]

its one of the best sub-settings GW ever did for 40k

[shrewd silo]

I just looked it up and it's from children of dune.
I just finished that audiobook and missed of forgot that completely

[jaunty stratus]

The human brain tends to forget traumatic experience. It's the reason we develop nostalgia

[drowsy urchin]

When is the Fall of Cadia book coming out?

[tall phoenix]

Some pre-payers already got their copies so im curious on the official release too

[drowsy urchin]

I just want the audiobook and I hope Richard Reed is narrating it 😔

I thought I knew he was doing the narration for it but can't find any confirmation for it anymore

[slow pilot]

does anyone else think the Tyranid are extremely boring

i love guy haley books but even he couldn't make them interesting for me.

[iron ore]

I just know this shit gonna be ass

[drowsy urchin]

It's Haley so it can be a hit or miss

Hoping on a hit, I like Cawl and Bile so could be a fun story

[shrewd silo]

Haley's biggest sin is not making books bad enough to drop but not good enough to remember anything about it

[tawdry robin]

Heard commissar cain series is amazing, is there a specific book one should start on?

[tall phoenix]

They are all mostly unrelated you can start with any of them

[tawdry robin]

Aah

I was unlucky enough that they didn't even have any commissar cain books left despite it saying on the site they did

Could've bought Hero of the imperium

[slow pilot]

new guy haley book

https://tenor.com/view/pog-gif-18706773

when does it come out

[iron ore]

Just buy the first omnibus if you want chronological order

[slow pilot]

its gana have a signed copy

does anyone know when its comign out

it just says September

[drowsy urchin]

Saturday

[slow pilot]

getting up early on Saturday

do i need to read anything to understand this

[tacit raft]

im more in "the end and death vol2" in november so ill keep my cash

i guess skip it

[slow pilot]

im a big guy haley fan

[tacit raft]

for a second i thought he wrote Wolftime from dawn of fire series, but its Thorpe, such a waste of time, worst book ever

Haley wrote the next one

and its ok, not good not bad

and if someone wants to read Martyrs Tomb from Dawn of fire, skip it, its just bad, even worse than Damnation of Pythos. Though previous The Iron Kingdom is insanely good

from my perspective, 6 books from DoF came out: 2 very good, 2 ok. 2 extremely bad, not just simple bad but i just cant express it how afwul it is

I hope next Sea of Souls by Chris Wright is good, though i dont doubt him, he will manage

[slow pilot]

I had to drop it

Only dawn of fire books I liked are the guy Haley ones and whoever wrote the second book

[brittle tapir]

why do people hate wolftime so much

genuine question

[tall phoenix]

It has to do with a lot of things

• Entire plot has nothing to do with the larger part of the Indomiuts Crusade

• Entire plot also basically goes nowhere

• Writing style is dull and boring

• Space Wolves are also written horribly thanks to Gav and have the most generic qualities as usual and are not interesting to read

• The whole "Will they accept their Primaris reinforcements omg" shit is so tired and done at this point and we've seen it before like 5 times in other popular Chapters' stories

[brittle tapir]

wait that primaris shit is still going?

[tall phoenix]

This takes place a bit in the past lol

40k novels dont follow a timeline, its set in the period the author wants to set it in

[brittle tapir]

i meant the topic itself. i thought it was already done to death

[tall phoenix]

Yeah no it hasnt

theres money to make and Marine fans to swindle

[brittle tapir]

i have no mouth and i must consume

[tall phoenix]

[carmine perch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/nmceq5/horus_heresy_spoilerfree_reading_order_v30_black/?rdt=59290

[brittle tapir]

crazy to see how far back that book is from all events

the first one

[forest pasture]

I was actually looking for something just like this last night, awesome that you've shared it, cheers.

[open mesa]

Really wish there was more to smaller mysteries in 40k
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fornax_Aleph

https://youtu.be/AZ6K5j122Ik?si=5y34sd2Ik3p671LN&t=662

[iron ore]

I wanna hold WesHammer down and shave his head

[brittle tapir]

he does have a very shitty haircut

maybe he's hiding a massive forehead

or he's bald

[tall phoenix]

His beard is pretty good but yeah that hair needs to be exterminated with extreme prejudice.

[forest spruce]

[iron ore]

he's been visited by the norwood reaper, his hairline is cooked

[wise yew]

What did Bros haircut do

it's literally just there existing

[brittle tapir]

ever since he's done that video about other 40k lore channels i've disliked that aussie

[tall phoenix]

Yeah Majorkill is bad lol

[forest spruce]

That video put a nasty taste in my mouth

[digital saffron]

As it should

[tall phoenix]

Needless showmanship and competition does that yep 💀

[brittle tapir]

This is the only way he can afford australian 40k prices

[forest spruce]

It was kinda funny seeing him not get the squidmar titan diaroma

His community post was so salty

[jaunty stratus]

Lmao, just read that. He should've stopped after the first paragraph, even that was like too much

[forest spruce]

Yep. He seems to think he was the only one in the world who wanted it

[shrewd silo]

Any one got a screen shot of his community post?

I kinda like major kills dumb shit attitude.

[slow pilot]

someone said blackstone fortress was a more light hearted warhammer book but the prolog had the classic warhammer mass murder

i guess that counts as light hearted in the imperium

[shrewd silo]

I feel like ork books are light hearted but there still orks

[iron ore]

But he's jacked

[iron ore]

one of my fave depictions of orks is in the eisenhorn short story that's chronologically one of his first cases and they're like terrifying beasts

Majorkill has a very played out schtick to the point he's just as bad as the monotone wiki readers he shits on

[shrewd silo]

Yeah but at least he tries.

[digital saffron]

In my mind he's like one of those old "Top 10 xyz" channels

I'm fairly certain I remember an Aussie YouTuber with his exact voice

[digital saffron]

The only service he does is paying for nsfw stuff
The rest is a bad joke at best and provocation for others at worst

[orchid herald]

Major kill really doesn't do any of the lore jsutice sure he funny if you have a child like sense of humour. but he miss out on the inconsitancy and more detialed information that some of the other loe content creators produce like lutin, weshammer, and Baldermort', and Sir david doing warhammer (the AI voice). hel even some of the older content creator's are better like Valults of terra.

[random marlin]

I didn't notice inconsistencies in the lore he gave (but I'm far from knowing everything lore-wise), I found his tone amusing/tolerable at first but I'm not too much into confrontational content creators. I was on the verge of unsubscribing when I was watching one of his videos and, out of the blue, he made a negative comment about "trans and sports" which had nothing to do with the subject at hand. Then, I decided to unsubscribe.

I hope he'll mature and think more about his approach and realize that he doesn't have to always do polemical content to be successful. In the meantime, I'll keep enjoying more "serene" lore content creators.

[iron ore]

Are you telling me the machismo Australian has a history of insensitive comments?

[forest spruce]

Yall think the new book genefather is gonna be any good

[tall phoenix]

Honestly i think so

it has a pretty fun premise

[forest spruce]

I had seen a few people before talk about what would happen if cawl and fabby encountered each other

Its interesting that the idea is going to be a book