40k-book-club

[pseudo gazelle]

i dont know how to pace myself yet

[pseudo gazelle]

because currently i have 2 gaunt

's books to finish

ill add it to my list though if you both recommend it

whats dark imperium

[slow pilot]

zombies

[pseudo gazelle]

i see

lots of nurgle

[slow pilot]

nurggles army invades gillumens home world

its the most recent story in the timeline

[pseudo gazelle]

i see

is it also a series

[slow pilot]

3 books

[pseudo gazelle]

okay cool

it'll be some time til i get to it but sounds like a must read

[pseudo gazelle]

thanks @slow pilot @tall phoenix @fickle falcon for the advice and recommendations

[slow pilot]

[tall phoenix]

Anytime

[fickle falcon]

I like how there is a niche for everyone. There are a few rogue trader related audiobooks on youtube, aborder prince has a few older but really nice ones. He has some of the stories from the Vaults of Obsidian 2 (the UR-025 man or iron one is short but entertaining). Also really enjoyed this one:
https://youtu.be/7RY7NVhdl9E

[severe trail]

I'm so sad its pretty much over

[tall phoenix]

Same

honestly at least it had an ending

[fickle falcon]

There is a 4 page short story on the Tinkerer (the main Jokaero from bsf) in an inquisitorial retinue in white dwarf november 2019 called Wyrm Hunt if you want a bit of backstory on our favourite character in the series/game ;)

I've also tried the Augur of Despair audio drama, but it adds nothing to the plot and felt very shallow. It's about some of the Escalation characters (Neyam and Gotfred)

[tall phoenix]

Once more this proves that Blackstone Fortress was great

still miss it

[iron ore]

Finally reading the ciaphas Cain books

[slow pilot]

A new book is coming out and one of the main characters is an ex rogue trader

Its called Longshot

[random marlin]

Where did you get the info there's an ex rogue trader in it? I'm interested in this book and must have missed some info.

[fickle falcon]

Cheers that sounds wonderful, did they mention the rogue traders name?

[sweet dawn]

Quick headsup. Ciaphas Cain book 10 "Choose your enemies" is now on Audible, for everyone who likes to listen to the books on the road or in bed like myself

[slow pilot]

Sorry I got confused its the new dawn of Fire book that will have a rogue trader not Longshot

[fickle falcon]

Sweet, just got a deal on Titanicus hardback (new) for 10 euro. This book arrived today, second gobbo book

Ordered da gobbo's demise (hardback) twice as right after ordering this one In found another one in new condition for just 7gbp hehe

[forest spruce]

Just finished twice dead king book 1, 5/5

[jaunty stratus]

I just read 1,5/5

[slow pilot]

i was wrong its in the new dawn of fire book and the persons name is Katla Helvintr

[graceful osprey]

that character also appears in Marc Collins' novel Void King which I believe the new Dawn of Fire will be a sequel to

[meager trench]

Yep

Void king kind of ended on two cliffhangers and the new novel follows up on one

[analog kiln]

Almost done with cadia stands and i got to say it good

[meager trench]

i disliked it greatly

pretty much all of the cadia xxx series I generally don't like

[true flare]

It might potentially interest y’all https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JndMVnl3GIcsIBhor1t_s-1gf2zkrLucQX0X3qrHYsY/edit

[forest spruce]

690 lines oh my god emperor

[tall phoenix]

NOW we are cooking with promethium

[lavish badger]

@tall phoenix Speaking of bad books in the lore channels: What are the most common shortcommings of bad 40k novels?

[tall phoenix]

Usually the trope of Bolter Porn where the book is just action after action with proper characterisation and worldbuilding, its either that or very long books with lots of character POV shifting and way too many subplots.

The worst kind for me is probably one where the author has this one vision of a faction they constantly write about and don't ever shy away from using the same old cliches the readers of said books hate, ala Gav Thorpe with Eldar/Dark Angels of Tau with Phil Kelly.

[lavish badger]

Thanks 🙂

[tall phoenix]

[lavish badger]

I don't have much expertise, so I was curious.

Definitely agree on the bolterporn. It's one of the reasons I'm reading fewer SM stories. 😅

[tall phoenix]

Yeah alas most SM stories incredibly mix together

[lavish badger]

Absolutely

[shrewd silo]

Most SM stories are very boring tbh.
The action of assianorum books like Kingmaker and nemesis are better action than most of the HH

[fickle falcon]

Yeah I shy away from SM centered novels. I prefer the novels from human (or ork) point of view

The same for my minis, I'm ok wiith a few marines but I don't collect any SM armies. Only have some niche metal rogue trader marines

1980s Squats and Orks, and some Necromunda gangs are what I like to focus on

[winged aspen]

Where should I start with 40k books?

[drowsy urchin]

Pinned messages have some good suggestions for that!

[fickle falcon]

Yeah, I guess it depends on what side of 40k you find most interesting I guess. But theres a few books that would be nice for anyone that likes 40k. What faction(s) do you like most?

[winged aspen]

I know almost nothing about 40k at this point.

[fickle falcon]

Something like Eisenhorn (Inquisition), Gaunt's Ghosts or maybe Ciaphas Cain (Imperial Guard) is a nice place to start if you want the stories from an imperial human perspective. These are usually sold for a few euro/gbp/dollar a piece second hand. Not sure which books to recommend to start with as they often use some terms/factions/events from existing 40k lore. For the above mentioned series this isn't much of an issue but some series expect the reader to have some general or 40k specific knowledge. I guess the Ork novels are pretty nice 2 for this reason, orks aren't the brightest and you won't need a vast understanding of the lore (as I'm sure the orks don't).

If you have seen some general lore vidoes and roughly know most factions, almost any series/novels can be nice. A few years ago after a small break from the hobby I started with the Blackstone Fortress series. They are from a more liberal/open perspective and star characters from multiple factions without going deep into the lore of those factions/characters. The first book was a bit generic but the second was pretty nice. Entry level wasn't too high and overall pretty light.

Youtube has a load of nice audiobooks 2, some narrated by fans (often older books). Personally enjoyed the "Eye of Terror" and "Pawns of Chaos" which are on youtube for free, perhaps a bit dated but have a low entry point on 40k knowdledge. People like "ABORDER PRINCE" have a hice mix of old and new, short and longer audiobooks which I like to listen to when I run out of audible credits.

[lavish badger]

The Warhammer Crime novels might also be a nice start. About half of them are short story collections. Nice to get to know the setting from a down-to-earth perspective, so you can still keep your sense of wonder for the epic/superhuman/alien side of things. Personally, I think they supplement Darktide quite nicely.

Or go with Eisenhorn. It's agood romp that will take you places.

[lavish badger]

Thanks for the hint to youtube audiobooks. Wasn't aware of that.

[fickle falcon]

Yeah if you want darktide related novel series something like Eisenhorn or the crime novels (often set in hive cities) can be great. There are also some Necromunda related novels which take place in a big (under)hive

[soft stag]

i’d def recommend having a tab open to the lexicanum while you read because some of the books get really heavy with specific lore terms, esp if you’re new to it

depends on the book tho, the night haunter wasnt so bad in that regard but i’m fuckin struggling to read the belisarius cawl one

[lavish badger]

In most books, it's probably more of a nuisance. Armasec = alcohol, lho sticks = cigarettes, Grox = big mean cattle, plasteel = plastic that behaves like steel
A lot actually becomes clear from context

Ratlings being halflings and not Skaven gets most folk in the beginning

What are concepts that are really fresh in 40k, and not stuff a sci-fi reader wouldn't be familiar with from other contexts?

Out of the blue, I would say Servitors and how advanced technology relies on human wetware.

[fickle falcon]

Thought LHO was more whacky tabbacy or the devils letuce hehe

obscura is another scifidrug

[fickle falcon]

I thought the Genestealer Cult was among some of GW's more original ip

Í guess 40k is like lotr/dnd in space

[somber kraken]

Feel like it's hard to come up with just straight up original concepts these days. 40k ripped a lot of stuff from Dune, LoTR, Aliens/Predators.

But I think with the exception of Dune (there's just a LOT of just straight rip outs from it), they've done a good job of combining all those concepts into some fairly original stuff.

[lavish badger]

My point was more that it's actually a quite accessible setting

[somber kraken]

Oh, yeah. It's pretty easy to dive in as everything gives you a sense of familiarity

[lavish badger]

The workings of the chaos gods are imho one of the more original concepts. But that doesn't matter that much when getting into it

Unless you start with the convoluted plans of the Emperor in the conrext of the Horus Heresy, or some other "history heavy" narrative, new readers should be fine imho

[somber kraken]

Yea, that's definitely stuff to get into later. I've been a second hand lore guy for a while, just started getting into the books, and I'll tell you whut, MAN I'm glad I listened to a bunch of lore videos and stuff lol

because all the name drops and stuff, locations, knowing what's going on at the same time in other areas of the setting, and what people/things look like just makes everything make so much more sense

[lavish badger]

Personally, I'm not that much into the "history" books. I don't like prequels as a matter of personal taste. And they tend to feel a bit dry and formulaic to me, even when written by great authors authors like Dembsky-Bowden

[somber kraken]

What about the Horus Heresy books?

[lavish badger]

Exactly 🙂

Not my cup of tea

[somber kraken]

Fair enough lol. I've definitely enjoyed em so far because I like getting a more 1st hand perspective on the primarchs, especially with them starting to come back into the current setting

[lavish badger]

Personal taste thing. I don't like the mix of "retelling of stuff I already know the outline of" plus "Primarch drama"

Also too many space marines. 😁

[somber kraken]

I need to find some books on like a guardsman or some normal human's perspective on a Nurgle infestation. Darktide's got me itchin for some lore accurate pox walkers

[lavish badger]

"Dark Imperium" about Nurgels attack on the Ultramarine homeworlds might fit. It's mostly space marines, again. But there was also a sub plot from a guard point of view, iirc

[somber kraken]

Everybody tryin to destroy Ultramar it feels like lol

[lavish badger]

Well, Roboute was the big new thing at the time, or so 😁

[somber kraken]

Oohh, is that the book where gorillaman comes back?

[lavish badger]

I think the one after.

I thought it was

I still have to read the one where the Eldar actually wake him up and get him to Terra

"Dark Imperium" didn't blow me away, and I haven't red the other 2 books in the trilogy

[meager trench]

guilliman returns in a campaign novel, not a BL novel, called Gathering Storm

there are some flashbacks/allusions to it in the dark imperium trilogy, but they're more the tie in to the actual dark imperium box set's lore (i.e. the plague wars)

[lavish badger]

Thanks for the info

[slow pilot]

Ready for a based take

I think guy Haley is the best black library author

[iron ore]

He is one of the authors of the black library for sure

[drowsy urchin]

he rarely writes stinkers but nor does he really stellar stuff

like you're pretty guaranteed to get a solid book out of him

[iron ore]

His books are all good

But not amazing like ADB or Dan the man

[drowsy urchin]

or Chris Wraight

[slow pilot]

I think Dan is overrated

I only liked the first 2 eisenhorn books

He spends too much time describing things

[drowsy urchin]

I love me well described thingamabobs

[lavish badger]

Just looked him up. Up to 5 books a year.

[drowsy urchin]

yeah pretty productive as well

[fickle falcon]

There is a nice audio short on YouTube about the gellerpox infected and a rogue trader. Initially released for the rogue trader kill team box. I thought gaunt's ghosts have books on nurgle related wars 2

[drowsy urchin]

the Lords of Silence has some cool poxwalker scenes

[fickle falcon]

In the first bsf novel they have aome nurgle issues 2 altho they don't call them poxwalkers. There is a storyline in there about an ex sanctioned psyker that along with his daemon buddy that reanimates guard corpses. They try to make a new bioweapon/strain while corrupting part of the fortress as like a holiday retreat hehe

The No Respite expansion came with a bit of nurgle related lore 2, seems Jokaero can cure nurgle afflictions

[slow pilot]

he spent an entier chapter talking about the titan at the end of the second or third book

spent half a chapter describing how a bar looked

slows down the plot

[drowsy urchin]

eh stuff like that really liven up the world imo

[fickle falcon]

https://youtu.be/eE9dX3yRM6c
Short story on the starstriders and the gellerpox infected

The gellerpox infected are my favourite poxwalker substrain. Lovely models with a nice backstory

[shrewd silo]

I think he has some really great books and some real terrible ones.
Like my favourite from him is the The Strange Demise of Titus Endor.
Probably the worst is the guants ghost book set in WW1 trenches and is boring all round.

[fickle falcon]

Yeah, some people judge these novels to some other forms of literature hehe. Some black library novels/series started as white dwarf or other magazines and publications. Sometimes you get lucky and you get a story that is good, sometimes you get a bit of supporting lore to help sell a box of miniatures ;)

[lethal valley]

What book did guilliman wake up in

Don't want to read dark imperium series before

Apparently it's not a book? That's dumb?

[tall phoenix]

Its not a book because this was an big update for the game itself, not made to be a novel.

You could never fit this many events that affected virtually every faction into a novel either.

[lethal valley]

I take it it's not on audible then

[tall phoenix]

No because its not a novel

you can read it all on the 40k wiki 13th Black Crusade page though

they literally copy pasted everything from the books into there word by word.

If you specifically want Guilliman its all here

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Ultramar_Campaign

It was as though a spell had settled over the shrine. Though outside the din of war thundered on, within that echoing chamber friend and foe alike stared awestruck at the legendary figure reborn in their midst. An incoherent scream of rage shattered the silence, a single Khorne Berzerker charging headlong through the stunned combatants to launch himself in a flying leap at the Primarch. Guilliman moved with such blistering speed that the Ynnari themselves would have struggled to match it. His burning blade drew a pyrotechnic arc through the air as it swung, bisecting the Khorne Berzerker at the waist and hurling his severed halves to the ground.

As the Chaos worshipper's armoured corpse crashed to the floor, the spell was broken. With a great howl of hate, the Black Legion warriors surged towards Roboute Guilliman. Wordlessly, the noble demigod strode to meet them, and the carnage truly began.

[lethal valley]

Thank you

So I just read this and I'm ready for dark imperium

[tall phoenix]

Yeah honestly you arent missing TOO much?

but its still a nice setup

[lethal valley]

I mostly wanted a book about guilliman waking up and going 'what the fuq, all I did was blink?'

Thank you

[tall phoenix]

[somber kraken]

isn't there a book for the Lion coming back?

or is it the same thing as Gorillaman where there's not a novel yet

[drowsy urchin]

Lion Son of the Forest is pretty much that. Not sure what the Arks of Omen Lion book adds to it because I've yet to read it

[lavish badger]

True. It's one of the more interesting and relevant things happening. It not getting a novel feels odd, especially when it feels that every small argument among Primarchs during the HH gets one

[mellow knot]

Man, Roboute is really going to want to have a long chat with the Chapter Master of the Silver Skulls about their codex compliance.

[lavish badger]

What's going on with them?

[mellow knot]

They base pretty much every decision on the decisions of their Prognosticators (psykers who channel the Emperor’s will through stuff like the tarot or rune and whatnot).

[fluid yarrow]

Anybody read Leviathan yet? Good or just more bolter drivel?

[tall phoenix]

Waiting on that too, really hope its not the 2nd

knowing the cover tho it prob is

[fluid yarrow]

The only SM series I've really enjoyed was the Night Lords trilogy. Always hoped ADB would do a sequel about ||Decimus||.

[tall phoenix]

the NL are in a interesting spot at the moment

especially since Sevetar has also been left in limbo aside from us knowing hes gonna die

ADB is prob waiting until the Siege wraps up so he can write what happens to him in the Scouring

[lavish badger]

I agree. But that's imho also partly due to it being a cultist novel masquerading as a SM novel.

The other SM novel I really like is Talon of Horus. It's told masterfully. The focus on the characters from the different legions coming to grips with having lost the HH is nice. And Jonathan Keeble makes the audio book a great listen.

[somber kraken]

Flight of the Eisenstein comes after Galaxy in flames right?

[drowsy urchin]

yes

this will also help http://gaming.kylebb.com/hhtimeline/

or just go by the release order

[tall phoenix]

Hes in the endgame now

[shrewd silo]

Honestly there should be a worth reading list for HH

[lavish badger]

That sounds like a good idea

[somber kraken]

Holy crap. How many of these are worth reading? Are they all between Istvaan 3 and the Siege of Terra?

I scrolled down

Holy shit

[tall phoenix]

To be fair

a lot of them dont have almost anything important in them

HH was made to be a drawn out cashcow series

[somber kraken]

I mean I already get the gist of the majority of the happenings of the HH just from lore channels and whatnot, but I do like the details.

But then again, I feel like a lot of the books are just... pointless where events don't ever come up again or have any impact.

[tall phoenix]

Literally that yeah

[somber kraken]

Is the Horus Heresy Primarchs series worth reading at least? I read Rogal Dorn the Emperor's Crusader, which I thought was good

[tall phoenix]

for example the salamander and dark angels make up like almost 20 books as a series iirc and literally nothing important happens in them and they are very badly written and universally panned

[tall phoenix]

As with HH it depends

Some are just shit, some are boring, some are good

Dorn's book is mid

[somber kraken]

D:< How dare you call my favorite primarch's book MID!!!! I like my boring, straightforward space marine Primarch!

but nah that's dope if that book was mid

I just liked seeing the personalities of the primarchs

[tall phoenix]

[somber kraken]

which in Dorn's case is like, none but still

[tall phoenix]

Yeah id say follow this list

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/rii84o/all_primarch_books_rated_and_reviewed/

for example you wanna read about Ferrus' book?

Good luck, his own fucking book barely has him in it

[somber kraken]

Maannn

[tall phoenix]

this review board is deffo the best and most useful one out there to i think, give it a read and pick what you think is best

[somber kraken]

I don't even see Dorn's book on the list lol

[tall phoenix]

Oh whoops

[somber kraken]

If it's a 0/5 then I have a lot to look forward to lol

[tall phoenix]

Ah wait its because this thread is 2 years old

Dorn's book literally came out in 2022/last year

[somber kraken]

oohh, yeah just saw the footnotes

sucks they done goofed Corax's book. Raven guard is probably my 2nd favorite legion

I just now realized I'm likely heavily influenced by TTS

[tall phoenix]

Which is also fair because TTS Corax is pretty accurate

[somber kraken]

Edgy like a 2005 emo teenager?

that's amazing

[tall phoenix]

yeah but during the Heresy he had a bit more of a livelier side

theres an excerpt i love where he plays a simulation chess match thing with Guilliman as they bond and its very sweet

[somber kraken]

It is kinda fun that he is basically the baby brother of the primarchs being the last found

[tall phoenix]

'Guilliman stood. His limbs too were stiff. "The strategio-simulacra is an amazing machine. I have never experienced anything so convincing. Our ancestors must have struggled not to lose themselves in these devices, but for all its wonders it does weaken the body.' He held out his hand to his brother.

'It is a marvellous toy, and it will be an useful tool, but it's not entirely healthy. If you wish to call an end to our exercise, I am willing.'

'I do. Perhaps it is for the best there are no more examples surviving.' Corax took the offered hand without rancour. Defeat had not embittered him. Guilliman pulled him to his feet."

also yeah Corax is like that

[somber kraken]

which book is that from?

[tall phoenix]

Corax: Lord of Shadows

its right at the intro of the book

[somber kraken]

Are the books on the discoveries of the primarchs or are they just part of the codex?

[tall phoenix]

Kind of and not kind of

Some mention their origins from the beginning of their superman origin story with the pod landing

some straight up skip it and make references to it

[somber kraken]

like angron's book and Kurze's book looks like they allude to their discoveries

[tall phoenix]

Yeee its like that

its hard because almost every book is written by another author mostly

[somber kraken]

Mann, I do not wanna spend that many audible credits lol

sucks though that I keep getting the gist that some of the authors are just bad, or they go off script and the book just... is meaningless

[lavish badger]

And that's only the Primarch books 😉

[tall phoenix]

^

Yeah that is unfortunately both the boon and the downside of 40k fiction

after you get jaded like me after being into the fandom for 10 years you notice the authors sometimes just throw shit at the wall and see what sticks

[somber kraken]

I guess first and foremost it is just a table top game, the books are just a filler afterthought

[tall phoenix]

pretty much

the main target of the books is not to entertain

its to get you to buy miniatures

[somber kraken]

I'm gonna get like 1 miniature, realize I suck at painting after blowing 300 bucks on paints, brushes, and all that, and never buy minis again

[tall phoenix]

yeah

literally me

💀

[somber kraken]

I used to be artistic, now I'm just dumb and my brain is smooth

[lavish badger]

If you have the choice, I would suggest starting with one of the skirmush systems like Kill Team. If you want to do miniatures ir play tabletop, that is

[somber kraken]

I have a cousin who's pretty big into the tabletop, so I probably should just go with him to an event or see if we can run a kill team fight and see if I even like it lol

except his main army is Tau 😠

[meager trench]

https://tenor.com/view/koth-king-of-the-hill-gif-24873317

[lavish badger]

Boooo 😉

[digital saffron]

It was all setup for Lord of the Fallen and Son of the Forest
Even if Luther is still nowhere to be found and we have no idea what happened to Corswain

[mellow knot]

You’d never get one that works for all because everyone likes different things.

[shrewd silo]

Yeah I know hh13 is one of my favourites and it's on most people's skip list since it's got no spesssmawens

[mellow knot]

Please allow me to generally remind folks of the role editors play in shaping a story.

It’s not always what the authors started with.

[drowsy urchin]

Having gone through 90% of that list (skipped three novels and half of the novella collections), I really only regret buying one or two of the books

[lavish badger]

Regret might be a strong word. But I pretty much stopped caring about HH books.

Tried again with "Echoes of Eternity" (because Dembski-Bowden), and it's just not my cup of tea.

[drowsy urchin]

Sure it's not everyone's cup of tea

Siege of Terra really reinvigorated the series though imo

[lavish badger]

At least it... "matters" somehow. Most of the other books appeal simply if you care about a Primarch and his legion. If you don't, then there's little point in reading them

But "Echoes of Eternity", to me, still felt like a three sentence history blurb expanded into a novel.

Like there's a start situation. Choose to 1-2 superheroes, some events are supposed to happen and the situation at the end is already given. Fill with common folk NPCs that are little more than additional camera angles on the superheroes. String a long some important chsrscters in side roles that might be needed in later novels.

It all feels very rigid and top-down. There are very few surprises

[drowsy urchin]

I thought Echoes of Eternity was really fucking good ngl

[lavish badger]

Yeah, people like it. 🤷‍♂️

[drowsy urchin]

It took a while to start but it was really good nonetheless

[lavish badger]

But to me it feels like filler to "Loayalists retreat to the Sanctum Imperialis. Here's Angron. Here's Sanguinius. Guess what happens?"

And imho, in the end, nothing of relevance happens. Both the big characters got plot armor because they are needed elsewhere. They get to kill mooks to show how powerful they are.

Everybody gets just swept along by the events. None of the character actions feels really impactful. None of the characters feel like they really matter. There's little character development and agency. I liked the Skitarii. But in the end, she's just one more camera trodding along. "There's a hughe retreat, and two superheroes exchange blows over it". That somehow feels very limited in scope

I'm happy for people who get proper enjoyment out of an ADB novel. But HH are not really my thing, and apparently not even ADB can change that. 😁

[drowsy urchin]

Have you tried other ADB books in the series?

Like Betrayer and the books related to that

[lavish badger]

First Heretic. Didn't like it that much either, it was "ok". 😉

If you want to "time travel" to key points 40k history, some of these books are probably really nice. Also helps if you care about Primarchs, I guess. 😁

[drowsy urchin]

Yeah fair

[lavish badger]

It's probably me. I don't like Prequels. And in the end, that's what HH is.

[jaunty stratus]

I'm almost through the second Dark Imperium book, and I like to know, that Gman isn't as stupid as the rest of his kind in regard to the Eldar, especially Eldrad. Its ironic, that something like reason is the fresh wind in the setting. Meanwhile I also got the brave adventures of of that one Battle Sister and Matheu...

[somber kraken]

Horus Heresy is like the entire reasoning for the current setting though. I could almost see HH as the main story and 40k is just the aftermath. Nothing as significant has happened other than maybe the fall of cadia

[digital saffron]

That's because 40k exists to sell models, with books on the side
While HH exists to sell books, with models on the side

[somber kraken]

that's probably the best reasoning I've heard to be honest lol

[lavish badger]

Not so sure about that. HH imho used to be just an origin story, a myth. And it actually used to be quite short (though in the narrative taking up 10.000 years). "The emperor created the space marines and their Primarchs to conquer the universe. At the peak of the crusade, half of them betrayed him because of Chaos, there was a civil war, the Emperor was crippled and things have been going downhill ever since."

They have been fleshing it out ever since, mostly to sell books. But imho not that much of substance was actually added. A lot of explanations why stuff happened the way it did, but there's not that much "new" stuff that happened. Out of my head, ||the Emperor's webway might be the only big thing that got added||?

Just a golden age, long gone, to make the current situation that much more dire and tragic. Most fanatasy worlds somehow have one. Lord of the Rings. Star Wars. If you want a "dark age", it apparently helpts to have a "light" somewhere/somewhen to provide context.

[somber kraken]

ah fair. It probably could be summarized just as easily as the Battle for Mount Doom prologue in the first LOTR series

and we don't have shit on age of strife and the dark age

but we probably don't need more

[frigid osprey]

The dark age is best left as tantalizing hints imo

And the age of strife is kind of unnecessary since modern 40k post great rift touches on a similar thing

[somber kraken]

As much as my want to know more is, yeah, leaving hints and scraps of evidence is much more entertaining. The mystery behind the STCs, found dark age AI, repurposed dark age tech for war makes all that stuff so much more interesting if we don't know everything about it

[mellow knot]

The idea behind the Space Marine Battles series was more about fleshing out little bits of lore.

[unreal saddle]

way late to the party The current Imperium is on par with the HH, but its not just from Chaos like in the HH. Its from so many different factions all at once tearing the Imperium a new one at its weakest point. Idk what GW is gonna do with this since they could go a good few ways with the current arc in the overall plot. Which is why I'm interested and have a slight bit of hope its not gonna be HH 2.0 the primarchs returning give me slight worries about that

[somber kraken]

watch Horus return in full lol

but now he's the good guy and Dorn returns but he's EVIL! DORNIAN HERESY

IMPERIAL BOOGALO

[tall phoenix]

https://youtu.be/lYfCb8D1JVo

[somber kraken]

man, you aboutta make me rewatch TTS for the 6th time lol

[tall phoenix]

same

the moment I get some workload off my back tomorrow im gonna do marathon again

[somber kraken]

I really wish they'd go back to it, but HTP has been pretty entertaining so not a complete loss

[tall phoenix]

Yeah agreed

At least its on HIATUS

if it was outright cancelled id be much more sad

[glass sparrow]

So has anyone read or listened to the new Angron book? I've heard very mixed things about it, and a lot of "it isn't worth the time".

[meager trench]

Angron the red angel? Enjoyed it

Great ending, and angron was treated right throughout the novel

[tall phoenix]

thats pretty much what the book is yeah

its a novel that entirely exists to push Angron a bit more forward since his mini had just gotten updated at that point

We all knew the grey knights were going to fail and that Angron was going to win along with any other "Oh no what if" scenarios in the book, there was more or less no stakes and it definitely feels like a waste of time by the end as you read it.

Easily skippable novel that you should just read a summary of imo.

[glass sparrow]

Yeah I thought so. Shame because the book about the lions return was well done in my opinion.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah definitely.

Angron's reeks of "shove it out the door as soon as possible"

[meager trench]

Meh

I didn't get that feel, and given how long in advance the Lion's novel was done I doubt angron's novel was done quickly

[frigid osprey]

Agreed, but I do think the primarchs are gonna return. Primarch soap opera is what's really sold the heresy, people love them. The 40k ones sell incredibly well.

Ita not gonna be Heresy 2.0 but modern 40k is gonna draw from what's made the HH books successful

[meager trench]

Leviathan is finally out

[lavish badger]

Any suggestions on 40k books with not that much fighting going on? (Been through the Warhammer Crime novels already, as well as Rite of Passage)

Is "The Hollow Mountain" good?

[tall phoenix]

That series is basically unraveling the conspiracy around the whole "brought dark eldar to fix the throne" debacle

the last book in the series is very bad but the Hollow Mountain is great

[lavish badger]

Thanks. I really liked the depiction of Terra in the first novel. A bit too much Custodes for my taste, but a nice read overall

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the Hallow mountain is pretty good for some intrigue

the last book is just... ||a lot of filler and then just the entire crew going to commorragh and everyone dying, also the main inquisitor turning int oa fucking dark eldar due to some virus lmao||

If you ever wanna read a summary just go to shaskais' subreddit

[lavish badger]

Thanks for the warning 😁

[tall phoenix]

[pseudo gazelle]

Just got my Eisenhorn omnibus

Time to read it

[random marlin]

Is this by the same author?

[lavish badger]

Enjoy. 😁 It's a good romp

[lavish badger]

All by Chris Wright, apparently

[tall phoenix]

Yeah that

i got no idea what happened with the last book

its very much a rush-job

[devout idol]

I have just about finished with the second book in the Dark Imperium series and while looking up Godblight I have seen some very mixed opinions on it

Is it still worth a read?

[tall phoenix]

Its a fun book but uh

just expect a very cheap deus ex machina Imperium win at the end

its kinda out of nowhere

[jaunty stratus]

to be fair, the trilogy is filled with deus ex machina moments

and a funny "skeletor flees through a mirror and breaks it behind him" scene

[meager trench]

Godblight was great. Really set the stage for discussions around the nature of the Emperor quite well, ending was pretty sick. The modern day rendition of the famous scene from the Inquisition War duology

Idk how one could consider it a "cheap deus ex machina" ending, when the novel and its prequel spend a fair amount of time setting up that kind of intervention.....so......

[tall phoenix]

Because Guilliman literally dies and gets resurrected due to bullshit faith powers.

Its cheap and once again Chaos gets beat because Good Guy Imperium has to win.

Banishing a daemon with faith powers is a lot more different to just bringing a big character back from death for no reason other than a cheap twist, if you are going to do this may as well just not gave gman even be injured and kick Mortarion's ass instead

[meager trench]

you can disagree with faith being bullshit all you want, they're pushing it as a major aspect of the imperial war machine. It's not cheap at all, and follows threads that we saw from the prequel (i.e. possession for a purpose). lmfao why would it be better to just have guilliman beat mortarion straight up? He's never been a top tier combatant at all, while mortarion is a powerhouse....

[tall phoenix]

Mortarion is a powerhouse

My guy he literally gets his ass beat in every encounter he shows up in

Also faith is nonsense because its never been that much of a powerplay back then compared to the current novels where it just quite literally magically solves any issues the Imperials have as an obstacle, its cheap and its not really unpopular at all to dislike its overuse, no matter how much its "pushed" or not.

[meager trench]

||ass beat? in every encounter? lets take a look.
demolishes garro.
draws with the Khan on prospero.
goes down in a really hard fight against the Khan at the Siege.
takes down Guilliman with his boys on Parmenio, though not a direct encounter as some greater daemons do most of the heavy lifting, guilliman is saved by a saint before he gets merced
wins against guilliman straight up on Iax, guilliman gets resurrected by the emperor, and nurgle recalls mortarion
||
where does he get his ass beat again? you said every encounter. lets see them.

and again, you can disagree with faith being a big player in the setting. that's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. but plague war, where faith really does start getting pushed, came out around the same general time as psychic awakening, which iirc also pushed faith. so you can whine about it being cheap all you want, just don't present it as a fact.

[lavish badger]

Please use spoilers when discussing stuff in books people just asked about. "Godblight" in this case. 🙂 You can do so by putting two vertical bars "||" before and after

|| like this ||

[meager trench]

i think most of it really is spoilers, tbh, including some of the recent HH/SoT stuff

[tall phoenix]

• Defeated by Garro in the Siege
• Defeated by Jaghatai later in the Siege. Would have been a mutual kill had Jaghatai not being taken to the doctor (man, Jaghatai doesn't even need to be awaken to stick it to Nurgle)
• Defeated by Kaldor in probably his most embarrassing death in lore
• Beats ||Guilliman but a living saint with expiration date forces him to run||
• Kills ||Guilliman but Daddy uses a phoenix down and then burn Grandpa's garden||

His job is to be a jobber like every Daemon Primarch, its why they get infinite respawns.

[meager trench]

he kills garro, and then goes on to fight the Khan a little bit later in the siege....what?

the kaldor draigo fight is the one where you could maybe say he got his ass beat, but it was a hail mary play by a grey knight who knew his true name. and somehow he magically survives even having a true name blasted at him, even though they're supposed to be the end-all be-all. was it a dumb idea when it was introduced? hell yeah. did goulding salvage it with that piece he wrote later on? kinda. iirc mortarion was kicking draigo's ass until draigo decided to do what he did.

like no, he doesn't get his ass beat in every encounter he shows up in. that's very obviously hyperbole, I hope you don't sincerely believe that....

[meager trench]

mrw reading most of what you said

[tall phoenix]

I return the sentiment

anyway basically, get that cheap deus ex machina faith stuff outta my novels

[meager trench]

[meager trench]

[forest spruce]

Faith is a power in 40k, chaos uses it all the time

[jaunty stratus]

was the death by kaldor the thing, where he got dunked with a dick carved onto him for further embarrassment?

[tall phoenix]

He was only able to defeat Mortarion by uttering the true name the Emperor had originally intended for him. The Primarch's body was shattered by this and Draigo carved his predecessor's name into his heart - an insult Mortarion has never forgotten, as his spirit is now recuperating in the Immaterium), where he prepares to kill Draigo once and for all.

Its extremely Mary Sue

[jaunty stratus]

Lmao, it even reads like fanfiction

[tall phoenix]

Yeah Draigo was made in an era where Matt Ward got told to make a lot of characters like these seem like badasses

The problem is even back then nobody liked it

[glass sparrow]

As much as I love garro, he's a standard Legionary, not a Primarch. For him to do as much as he did to Mortarion is the real ass pull of that fight.

[meager trench]

Euphrati had that big trouble from little China controller moment for that morty poke

[shrewd silo]

https://myanimelist.net/manga/34793/Joshikouhei

I finished this and feel like a lot of 40k fans would enjoy it

It's much more interesting than the description suggests

[meager trench]

[shrewd silo]

[strange crypt]

Finished 2 of the 3 books for night lords omnibus, absolutely fantastic

[slow pilot]

[meager trench]

[tall phoenix]

https://www.humblebundle.com/books/chronicles-world-warhammer-black-library-books

📚📚

[glass sparrow]

Quick question: was it just man of iron or was there another book that involved the man of iron from the blackstone fortress series?

[meager trench]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/14lf5x5/question_ur025/

Looks like a few other things

[tall phoenix]

Theres a few in lore

the only "in person" man of iron is UR

theres also that one from Death of Integrity but thats just a ship AI

also another one the Tanith fight but its corrupted b the chaos cheese

[glass sparrow]

Yeah my wording might have been a bit confusing, but I was referring to UR-025

[tall phoenix]

AH

With UR hes only in Blackstone Fortress

His "main debut" is in a short story

hes unfortunately not that prominent behind that since hes one of many side characters in there

[glass sparrow]

yeah I saw Man of Iron and wasn't sure if that was the only one UR was in or not.

I know there is a very brief mention of him in the first book.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah he gets the side-character treatment hard

thankfully the short-story is actually goated

[slow pilot]

i need to stop buying so many books

i just pre ordered king of spoils and the dawn of fire book 6 special edition

[meager trench]

[meager trench]

Martyr's tomb locked and loaded

[zinc path]

Wonder if my man UR-025 found the Leagues of Vottan

[jaunty stratus]

Now I'm confused

[tall phoenix]

[sage gale]

BRETTONIANS

IN 40K

THOSE FRENCH BASTARDS

[midnight wind]

I know it's not 40k, but has anyone read the Orion trilogy?

[tall phoenix]

I have

Its... not bad, I like it

Honestly a lot of warhammer fantasy books in general are pretty fun or depressing so lol

[mellow knot]

WHF stuff is massively underrated in the fantasy genre in general, I think.

[lavish badger]

Hm. Might depend on your expectations. But there's not that much awesome stuff? Imho quite a bit is pretty solid and a fun read. Like the Ambassador series or the first Genevieve.

[mellow knot]

As a long-time fantasy reader, I've always really enjoyed the WH stuff. It's better than some of the more popular mainstream stuff (personally, at least: I fully appreciate and respect everything is subjective!)

[lavish badger]

I get you. A lot of fantasy stuff is setting a pretty low bar, with the usual plot of a chosen one having to find a magical macguffin to thwart a dark threat. At least Warhammer Fantasy normally doesn't do that. 😁

But I'm not sure it's stuff I would recommend to fantasy readers that aren't already into Warhammer

[loud helm]

I honestly feel like the men of iron could just integrate into the imperium its kind of sad. would be really cool to have terminators as a special IG or admech unit

I get why they hate AI so much because they almost wiped out all of humanity but they cant all be bad

also STC facilities are usually run by AI or ARE AI...

[mellow knot]

Not a 40k book, but happy book release day to me! throws glitter or something

[lavish badger]

@mellow knot What book is it?

[frigid osprey]

Oh, that's poggers

Sarah Cawkwell writes for black library too

[drowsy urchin]

[mellow knot]

I do.

[forest spruce]

poggers

[frigid osprey]

Oh lol!

Thought you'd just bought the book, not that it was your book that just released!

Very poggers

Just ignore me basically~

[mellow knot]

🙂 it’s all cool. I’m not big on shouting about my achievements so this is new ground for me.

But yes. That’s my book! 😄

[slow pilot]

im loving plague war

i hate Mathew in a good way

such a good character that i hope dies in a horrible way

the book shows just how bad the cult has infected the imperium

[zinc path]

Doing a small for fun survey:

In any 40K novel y’all have read. Which moment in which book is your absolute favorite. And if you can’t come up with one just list your top three.

Mine for example was in the Twice Dead king. Particularly the part in which Djasiras decides to give Oltyx one last lesson on patiences. Then one shots a Titan

[meager trench]

1a) when sanguinius appears to Dante and then he subsequently meets Guilliman

1b) when Guilliman arrives on Luna in watchers of the throne 1

1c) when Guilliman remembers the visit to the throne room

[digital saffron]

When Decimus and the crew reach the weird time mirror in The Great Work and see alternate versions of themselves

[spring python]

thinking of reading the eisenhorn omnibus. thoughts on it?

[slow pilot]

ending of plague war was so good

[brittle tapir]

when mechanicus blew up a bomb that destroys warp energy but at the same time destroying an entire loyalist forge world because the technology actually only displaces it

or when gaunt from tanith first and only convinced a traitor general to kill himself

[late horizon]

Stap Lord?

what you doing

[shrewd silo]

Funny thing was ||guant didn't even convince him he saw guant and just went what the fuck am I doing here with these heretics.||

[brittle tapir]

then they proceed to liberate an entire chaos planet

ghosts are just built different

[shrewd silo]

I think mine would be that beast Aries book (idk what number) where the ||chick virus bombs her own world while pregnant||
The part in the HH were rylonor and sual figure out what horus is doing on issvan 3 and I just see in my mind the WHAT DO YOU MEAN

[brittle tapir]

oh speaking of istvan 3

that confrontation between the three princepts in the dies irae

that's a pretty cool moment

[jaunty stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/who-gif-4519872

Had to do it

[lavish badger]

The conversation between the human and Tzeentch in "Pawns of Chaos"

[tawdry robin]

I think I like the introduction of the crew in "Steel Tread" The most

[mellow knot]

Not a clue.

[drowsy urchin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/05/genefather-fabius-bile-is-back-to-test-his-wits-against-the-biggest-brains-in-the-galaxy/

Interesting!

[frigid osprey]

Today's a great day to be an Emperor's Children enjoyer

Lucius animation on WH+ and announcement of the new Fabius book. It's a shame Josh Reynolds isn't with BL any more to write it but I'm looking forward to seeing Fabius invite himself to an Imperium conference and cause an absolute scene

[meager trench]

This is a great opportunity for incredible shenanigans

Cawl and bile in a jeopardy match lmao

[slow pilot]

DUN DUN DUN DUUUUUUN

[random wharf]

Mad Larkin, in 'Necropolis', speaking with the angel while preparing for a shot

[plain flint]

I managed to collect most of the Gaunt's Ghosts books in just one purchase!!!

[plain flint]

(in no specific order)

1. Gaunt executing an incompetent officer in Necropolis
2. The fight between the Mournival in the end of Galaxy in Flames
3. Fulgrim killing a sculptor near the end of Fulgrim

[jaunty stratus]

That wasn't necropolis. It was in the second book iirc

[random marlin]

In the short story Vanguard, which can be seen as an epilogue for the Fire Caste novel, both by the oh so awesome Peter Fehervari, when I realized that ||the Skitaaris and other Adeptus Mechanicus units we are following in the short story have been created by using the remnants of the guardsmen and Tau characters we had been following and who died in Fire Caste, as parts of their personalities are still there.||

That was... quite a shock, and as grimdark as it can get. 😉

[random wharf]

Oops lol

[lavish badger]

That's cool, I missed that

[random marlin]

I was lucky enough to read Vanguard just after Fire Caste so it definitely helped. 🙂

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/a96v2u/mapping_vanguard_to_fire_caste/

from this Reddit post:

(...)I’d like to discuss the connections I’ve found so far between the stories and ask for help filling in some blanks.

||The Tech Priest that runs the Diadem builds his skitarii using human, abhuman, Tau, and local Phaedra xenos bodies. It becomes obvious early on that some of the skitarii in “Vanguard” are actually characters who were left for dead at the end of “Fire Caste”:

Beauregard Van Hal (Arkhan Confederate Silverstorm Sentinel Pilot) is Alpha Vhaal-FE01. We know this from his mantra of “214 kills”.

Shas’ui Jhi’kaara (Fire Caste Pathfinder) is the Alpha Primus. We know this because she has innate knowledge of tau tactics and ultimately has an inner monologue speculating that she was a Shas’ui.

Mister Fish (Saathlaa Guide) is probably Ixtchul-IR04. This isn’t definitive, but IR04 is stated to be from local Saathlaa stock and acts in a scout role same as Mr. Fish.

Claiborne Roach is Rho-IR02. We know this because IR02 says “Roach” as his brain is being rebooted by Magos Caul.

Of the remaining named characters from “Fire Caste” who were alive during the Diadem assault AND didn’t get obliterated by the Tau, skitarii, or Trinity demon, AND didn’t get on the shuttle...the only remaining candidates for skitarii conversion are Hardin Vendrake and Jakob Dix. I suspect that Vendrake is either Ironstrider Ballistarius Akosh-FE03 or Gyrax-FE04. I suspect that Dix is Alpha Phaestus-IR01.

There’s a possibility that the “elder cyborg” Ptoltec-IR03 elder is Elias Waite, but it’s unlikely since Waite is alleged to have died a very long time before Diadem assault.

Remaining named skitarii are Viharok-TH01, Exoss-UR01, Gelon-UR03, and Brok-IR05.||

[jaunty stratus]

how dare you, the sacred texts

[random wharf]

In my defense, I binged audiobooks of both ghost maker and Necropolis very recently

[slow pilot]

The new dawn of fire book is missing the black library symbol

[tall phoenix]

bruh that'd piss me off as a perfectionist

[meager trench]

I noticed some editing issues with martyrs tomb as well....i liked the novel but the were some sentence structures that just seemed to have gotten missed

Cmon bl that and the symbol? Smh

[frozen plank]

chineseium book

[pseudo gazelle]

man, that's lucky

i can't find the other omnibuses without paying a heavy price

[slow pilot]

The sales must not be very good because they seem like they don't care much about this series

I got 3 more books

[meager trench]

I think martyrs tomb sold out of its special edition, most novels seem to

They're probably selling just fine

[slow pilot]

They only make 2000

I got one of the last ones by the number book I got

[meager trench]

You had to sit in the queuing system for it?

[slow pilot]

an hour

i got number 1939

[meager trench]

Haha just in time

[slow pilot]

for the iron kingdom i got number 1534

[slow pilot]

chapter 5 of godblight is the best warhammer i have ever read.

[iron ore]

Wait till you read flight of the Eisenstein

[slow pilot]

chapter 5 legit made me think about real religion

[iron ore]

Most recent reads

[slow pilot]

I just got my 30th warhammer book

Hard cover Leviathan

[iron ore]

Should read the first 5 heresy books

Best warhammer stuff out there

[meager trench]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/11/the-epic-fall-of-cadia-mega-edition-is-packed-with-incredible-artefacts/

[iron ore]

now THAT is worth the asking price

[weak terrace]

Is this a channel where people might possibly sell/trade wh40k books(physical copies)?

im 30 books deep in the horus heresy series but so many are discontinued and i cant afford these crazy costs of almost 200$ for a book

[meager trench]

i imagine you'd have better luck on ebay or amazon marketplace

[weak terrace]

insanity

thats ebay

[meager trench]

oh i misread you

i thought you were selling

[weak terrace]

nah trying to get the books

[meager trench]

my b for a sec i thought you were gonna be rich

[weak terrace]

thats amazon lol

[tall phoenix]

What in the actual fuck

No fucking 40k book is worth that much

actual scammers

[weak terrace]

yeah i just want books 😦 so ive been having to buy them one at a time for like 30-50$ but now im hitting these prices and i cant pay that much, i shoudlnt even be spending what i have been but i have like over half the series n iwanna complete my collection n read em all

[tall phoenix]

Yeah im not sure if you could find anyone here, this chat isnt as super active.

IT MIGHT be worth asking around on bigger general 40k servers tho

[weak terrace]

i always swing into goodwills when i pass by too just in case, have yet to find any 40k books there though

[tall phoenix]

🤔

There has to be some site that sells them more cheaply

[meager trench]

can try public libraries as well

they will sell off their older books on occasion, if you're in the US

i got republic commando 1 that way

[weak terrace]

yeah i have clicked on many book websites that ive never heard of before, some even looked like sketchy sites lol, and even ones based in the UK and germany just to find some, but they are either fully out of stock, or also insanely expensive

and on ebay im putting in offers of like 40-50$ for some of these books and i keep getting declined like, cmonbruh

they are used not even new or mint

the msrp was like 15-30$

people are greedy

[meager trench]

visions is a bit of a classic

artbooks, they are spicy pricing

[weak terrace]

but its weird cause the 2006 horus rising, first ever book? 9 bucks

newest books? resonable price

its these middle of the pack ones

that are outrageous

final book in the main seies

18 bucks

first book 9 bucks

[meager trench]

yeah

[iron ore]

I had to buy a kindle Bc of this lol

Some of my horus heresy books I’ve debated selling Bc of how much they’re worth

[iron ore]

They’re collectors items now 🤷‍♂️

[weak terrace]

its just weird that some are and some arent

youd think the oldest ones would be the most expensive but they are the cheapest

its purely the stuff in the middle thats insane

[iron ore]

Some of them weren’t in print for that long, not a lot of copies

[weak terrace]

😔

[iron ore]

Last I checked heralds of the siege was going for like 100-200 USD

i got it for 9.99 lol

[weak terrace]

soooo siggyyyyy

hows things goin

[iron ore]

Reading books

[slow pilot]

I'm going through books too fast

[brittle tapir]

legit, i think from sales alone GW realizes that a lot of people will read the first HH books then lose interest

[drowsy urchin]

also take into consideration that Horus Rising was released in 2006

the ones that are wildly overpriced are just some second hand grifters selling their own books hoping for a quick buck, those have no on going printing going on so their prices will drop to normal once they do another reprint whenever they decide to do so

[tacit raft]

old Promethean Sun novel, limited release, hardback covered in black scales, like wyrm. This thing is nigh priceless imo.

I cant find it on google search anymore

[frigid osprey]

[weak terrace]

[tall phoenix]

bruh moment

[fluid yarrow]

A Cypher novel drops in two days?!

[meager trench]

yeah mass release is impending

[random wharf]

So I just listened to "Guns of Tanith" from the Gaunt's Ghosts series, and I hated the ending so much I went to see in the wiki to see how ||Cuu dies, and I'm disappointed that he just got shot. I was hoping for a fate worse than death. Fuck Cuu so much||

[shrewd silo]

He ||gets basically corrupted by demons/chaos so his soul is in extra bad hell now||

[random wharf]

At least there's that, I was kinda hoping ||something like dark eldar would get their hands on him so that'll do||

||Bragg was my favorite guy||

[shrewd silo]

Ye

Also I love the story of Bragg just been used as bait.
Everyone thinks he's incompetent.
||The moment they go to ambush them he is just like "you know I got this rank for a reason" and orders a bunch of guys around and opens up with a auto cannon||

[random wharf]

I loved him being a bro to Greer when he was having a rough time ||for all that was worth in the end||

[tall phoenix]

Is it the one where hes escaping terra

I thought that was out already

[fluid yarrow]

I believe that's what the synopsis said. It's under the new novels release section. July 15.

[tall phoenix]

I hope you like Cypher

[fluid yarrow]

Can't be any worse than the new Dawn Of Fire novel.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its just...

nothing really happens in the book

[fluid yarrow]

I'm still reading it.

[tall phoenix]

I know, just giving a heads up

[fluid yarrow]

But... it's grating.

[tall phoenix]

LMAO

[fluid yarrow]

I'm almost rooting for nurgle.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the Dawn books are not great

but hey

you could be reading Wolf Time

[fluid yarrow]

Funny, I was just about to mention that. What a slog it was. Aside from the new one and that, i mostly liked the others.

[tall phoenix]

Almost everyone that has read that book here has admitted they could not finish it

I dont blame them either, its just so bad and boring

[drowsy urchin]

I finished Wolftime

haven't continued the series since

[tall phoenix]

Same. But at what cost.

Yeah that lmao

No idea how you can botch this many books

I did like Gate of Bones at least

[drowsy urchin]

It's not the worst but I had already forgotten what happened in the books before and that just added nothing and I kinda don't care anymore?

[tall phoenix]

Yeah it just doesnt genuinely establish anything?

You do ||get the starchil||d with the throne of light but literally everyone knows that at this point

[fluid yarrow]

Oh fuck I did forget iron kingdom. Yeah, fuck that one as well

[tall phoenix]

Iron Kingdom was good

as in

[drowsy urchin]

the space wolf primaris initiate was okay I guess but his story was secondary in the book

[tall phoenix]

I liked laughing at the book

it was very funny at parts

||The Imperials gunning down the fucking Marines Malevolent KILLED me||

[drowsy urchin]

I've got only so many audible credits per month (one) and I don't want to spend it on stuff I might not enjoy so I've left the series on hold

well I can always buy more credits which will probably happen this month because I'm almost done with my monthly book already

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its why i always look up for summaries by Shaskais or on r40klore beforehand

I dont usually mind spoilers too much before reading a book as weird as it is

[drowsy urchin]

I do and I get nothing out of summaries, I want to know the whole story around the events as well most of the time

[tall phoenix]

Then perish

🫵

that and your audible credits

[drowsy urchin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/997889607813320794.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

Started Necropolis on Monday and I've got 80 minutes left on it

will buy 3 more credits on friday me thinks

and will start either the third Cain book or something else

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-chosen-wisely-choose-choice-knight-gif-16214221

[iron ore]

I'm on 2nd cain book, might read some warhammer fantasy books to break up the monotony of 40k

[pseudo gazelle]

im almost finished with Necropolis

idk if i should continue the gaunts ghost series or take a break and read eisenhorn

[sharp oar]

Tbh I enjoyed gaunts ghosts but I just ended up losing interest or not in the mood for it...... I really should go back and listen to them while I do my militia army but just didn't feel like I could get into it, I do like the overall idea though of the tanith.

[shrewd silo]

Necropolis is one of the best GG books
I only listened up to 10 tho

Traitor general is also great

[slow pilot]

Half way through Godblight and it's so gross. Can't eat when reading from ku'gaths perspective.

Guy is disgusting

[meager trench]

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-warhammer-total-war-warhammer-daemons-demons-gif-20223678

[slow pilot]

I love their cartoonishly evil names

[tired violet]

i think that's what games workshop asked their writers to do

they gave them reams of paper for their printers and said "type out the goofiest names possible"

[slow pilot]

I feel like it fits nurgles characters

He seems like a goofy and childish character

[tired violet]

well tbf

he is described as jolly

and very loving, also called "grandfather"

[digital saffron]

Lol

Lmao

[frigid osprey]

that look exactly like teenage school girls

[meager trench]

[runic peak]

least degenerated anime

[shrewd silo]

I gets even worse

[wicked tree]

Wtf

[meager trench]

[runic peak]

https://tenor.com/view/cheemsdog-meme-hamster-stare-gif-16082959

[iron ore]

https://tenor.com/view/kittenpopo-megamind-cringe-detector-balls-gif-24174429

[slow pilot]

Why do you keep posting this

[meager trench]

hes in permanent

https://tenor.com/view/beavis-and-butt-head-boing-cartoon-bands-gif-17670720

[shrewd silo]

because i think its more interesting and memorable scifi than most of the 40k books.

[slow pilot]

this is for 40k post it somewhere else

[shrewd silo]

ye tru will delete

still think 40k fans would like it

[slow pilot]

you are posting gore

go post your sick crap somewhere else

[shrewd silo]

idk this is 40k discussion chat the whole things pretty dark normally

[weak terrace]

i just finished wolftime so im 3/3 on the dawn of fire series. is there a series that follows that storyline?

[tall phoenix]

Wolftime doesnt really go anywhere no

BUT the series does continue

[drowsy urchin]

Dawn of Fire will probably reinvigorate my interest in it if Abnett writes for it

[tall phoenix]

OOF

also harsh but true

[weak terrace]

ah yeah sorry i meant the dawn of fire in general not wolftime specifically thank you, i thought it was just those 3 books didnt know there were 3 more

[tall phoenix]

Yeee no worries but yeah they are still being produced atm

[slow pilot]

ew wolftime

[weak terrace]

i liked gaius' arc

the historitors sections felt completely pointless though

and took up a large portion of the book

[slow pilot]

i love fabian

[weak terrace]

in wolftime all they did was learn basically nothing

[shrewd silo]

Just finished off dark imperium book 1
Does it get better?

[tall phoenix]

My personal review

Its overall id say a dissapointing series

Its not god awful its just uhhh

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-one-verge-of-greatness-gif-13754250

The novels also barely follow each other's plotlines, so id suggest just reading Gate of Bones and MAYBE Throne of Light.

Others you can just read as summaries on reddit

[shrewd silo]

Dark imperium

I did just finish dune book 1 and 2

They were great books

[tall phoenix]

Yeah those are contained stories

Dawn of War is just very mediocre with not much enjoyment factor

AND it helps that its all written by Haley

Avenging Son was by him too though so 💀

[shrewd silo]

Is iron kingdom pertey with the iron warriors?

[tall phoenix]

Lmao no

Iron Kingdom comes from this stupid imperium civilization's name

💀

[shrewd silo]

[tall phoenix]

Same reaction tbh

[slow pilot]

My favorite part of godblight is the clashing between Mathew and Guilliman

[iron ore]

dark imperium is like a 6 and the other two books are like 6.5-7 outta 10

they have some really cool parts but are a bit outshined by the mary sueing

[tall phoenix]

This guy gets it

[iron ore]

I've read too many of these motherfucking books the past 25 years of my existence

I've got a working catalog of every book I can think of with an explanation for why I rate it the way I do

[tall phoenix]

Thats a mood alright

[iron ore]

I finish a warhammer book, i put it down, I think about it for a day, I create mental rating in brain excel sheet

Worst book I've read out of all of them is Rynn's world

[tall phoenix]

God, dont even start

[iron ore]

Dawn of war is also terrible

[tall phoenix]

DONT

[iron ore]

CS Goto wrote literal slop while trying not to kill himself over his divorce

[tall phoenix]

You could always be that one author who stole literal IRL war stories and plagiarised them into a BL book

[iron ore]

that's based

[drowsy urchin]

rynn's world is bad? I've heard people like it

haven't tried it myself

[iron ore]

Book is awful

[tall phoenix]

to be fair it does have space marines

[iron ore]

the sequel is better iirc

[tall phoenix]

a bit

deffo better than the actual predecessor tho

[iron ore]

Flesh and Iron by Henry Zou

That's what that one was

[tall phoenix]

Yep lol

it got instantly figured out and GW erased that guy from reality along with the book

[iron ore]

Battle for the Abyss is another stinker

[tall phoenix]

Battle for the Abyss is basically a tag for any BL book thats shitty

it takes serious talent to make a book thats about virtually nothing

[drowsy urchin]

BftA is the only one I've refunded

[tall phoenix]

Lmaoooo

[iron ore]

The problem is most of the warhammer books are at the very least entertaining

BFTA is watching paint dry

[drowsy urchin]

was dry on audible credits and didn't want to buy more so I was quite dissapointed with that credit spent and wanted something better to listen to whilst painting

[iron ore]

The only Dan Abnett book that almost put me off was Legion, but after a reread I loved it

I've heard path of the eldar sucks ass

Path of the dark eldar rocks

[tall phoenix]

Can confirm

Path of the Druks is an absolute rollercoaster fun ride

Path of the Eldar sucks ass unless you want Eldar worldbuilding

the battles are awful

everyone dies because eldar have to act like morons

[iron ore]

Lmfao

I miss warhammer fantasy books tbh

[tall phoenix]

Same.

[iron ore]

I just read an age of sigmar book and it ROCKED

[tall phoenix]

was re-reading Witchhunter

[iron ore]

read Godeater's Son by Nguyen

it slaps

[tall phoenix]

oh yeah Age of Siggy books are usually very good, at worst they tend to be mild but i liked a lot of the stuff i read

[iron ore]

I never read brunner the bounty hunter

I think my next shit should be that

Or maybe Ill give all 46 gotrek and felix books another go

[tall phoenix]

Do it nerd

they are good

[iron ore]

I read orcslayer as a kid so im basically the expert here

[slow pilot]

I think they are 8.5

[shrewd silo]

Sounds like 40k turned into japanese Isekai trash with reincarnated super OP main characters

[shrewd silo]

Don't spoil it for me but when I think of 40k religion all I can think of is egregore dynamics

[shrewd silo]

https://narapetrovic.com/society/we-are-cells-of-egregores/

Also just to explain what I mean by egregores

Tldr they are basically ideas/gods/ beliefs that enslave peoples minds and grow stronger as they get more people to belive in them.
But don't exist except in people's heads and would immediately die if no one knew of them

[tall phoenix]

Lmao thats wack

literally the concept too funnily enough

[shrewd silo]

Yeah it's funny till you realise the military industrial complex has taken over most of the world and is now near unstoppable.

[tall phoenix]

[iron ore]

Thank God I have stock in Lockheed Martin

[brittle tapir]

i love cadia

[lethal valley]

@brittle tapir

[jaunty stratus]

I liked Battle for the Abyss, it was like Die Hard, but on a Spaceship

[tall phoenix]

This man, kill him

🫵

[jaunty stratus]

But honestly, I liked it, dunno why. Really shitty/boring books so far in the series were the Dark Angels books, they were really boring and meh

[tall phoenix]

Go read the Salamander ones then say that

[versed kettle]

After a few books, I decided to read only Graham McNeill and Dan Abnett

[jaunty stratus]

Oh, almost forgot. Yeah, I've read Vulkan lives. I kind of forgot about them for obvious reasons
Best part was the ending, that was the opener for unremembered empire

It's a shame, because Salamanders are quite interesting, but their books are just shitty...
At least the white scars got scars. That was a cool book

[tall phoenix]

Its basically because they suffer from the Same Author syndrome

i dont think anyone but Nick Kyme writes for them

[iron ore]

gotta throw aaron dembski bowden in there, he's the best of the three

[jaunty stratus]

Feel a bit sad for Kyme. But if the rest of his books are like that, he really is not a good writer, when it comes to interesting story plots. It's not like he has a bad style, but it's just plain meh what he writes about

[drowsy urchin]

Kyme has done a couple good short stories but most of his novels fall flat yeah

I liked Censure and the Emperor's Children short stories he wrote

[tall phoenix]

Yeah i got no idea why hes like this

maybe he really is just not the best writer

[iron ore]

They always give him big chapters too and they always sell

[mellow knot]

This. The big lads always get more attention than offshoots.

[paper maple]

We should remove them from power.

Peacefully of course.

[mellow knot]

Discuss it over a cup of tea and a biscuit or two.

[paper maple]

Of course of course

[slow pilot]

i want a buddy cop drama with Colquan and guilliman

[tall phoenix]

Every time he turns his back Colquan resists the killing urge.

Like any good boyfriend- I mean companion

[slow pilot]

chapter 38 of godblight, almost done 😦

[slow pilot]

https://www.amazon.com/End-Death-Horus-Heresy-Siege/dp/1800268785/ref=pd_bxgy_img_sccl_1/147-2288727-1498867?pd_rd_w=RV58G&content-id=amzn1.sym.26a5c67f-1a30-486b-bb90-b523ad38d5a0&pf_rd_p=26a5c67f-1a30-486b-bb90-b523ad38d5a0&pf_rd_r=RA4KREX4WMN90SQ1YN03&pd_rd_wg=AVHOC&pd_rd_r=9187db86-a108-419f-99c1-7f2b5efe9419&pd_rd_i=1800268785&psc=1

does Belisarius Cawl take place before or after dark imperium

[drowsy urchin]

Yeah he was around the Heresy

[digital saffron]

Great Work's present time segments take place after Dark Imperium since he's accompanied by Tetrarch Felix Decimus, who's made Tetrarch in DI iirc

[iron ore]

he's 10000 years old

also read the horus heresy books @slow pilot

I gotta tell you at least once a week

gotta get you to see the light of real literature

[slow pilot]

Dude stop

Just gana block you then because it's getting annoying

[iron ore]

haven't said anything in weeks

[iron ore]

there's so much sexual tension between them it's insane

[tall phoenix]

I KNOW BRO

[iron ore]

Guy Haley writing homo erotic fanfic bait

His true talent

Besides making books for 8th graders

[tall phoenix]

I loved the part where Guilliman was fighting Mortarion and he went.

"The streets always win."

and he dropped the roman collesseum on him, I cried

[iron ore]

I loved the part where Gulliman turned to the camera after being injected with the godblight and went

"well that just happened"

[tall phoenix]

Lmfao god

[brittle tapir]

if we say it enough he might actually read them

[iron ore]

he has me blocked now lmfaoooooo

Harassing children on the internet to read horus heresy books

you could say I'm a bit of a warhammer fan myself

[brittle tapir]

doing the god emperor's work

[slow pilot]

Wait how can they leave godblight on a cliff hanger like that

||what will Fabian think of the book!||

When will we know!

[iron ore]

I have to, it's the job of every honest warhammer fan after all

[shrewd silo]

what are the good tau books and are there any on the first imperial invasion of tau space

[iron ore]

The first ciaphas Cain book

[shrewd silo]

read it

i mean somethimg like shadow sum

like tau pov

[tall phoenix]

every Tau book is mostly bad

they suffer from the same problem the Eldar do with Gav Thorpe and the Salamanders do with Nick Kyme

Phil kelly does nothing but write their novels and they all end up being subpar.

[forest spruce]

The necrons are the only xeno who had good books apparently

[drowsy urchin]

GSC had a decent one

[iron ore]

Path of the dark eldar trilogy is really good

path of the eldar sucks moose

[forest spruce]

Moose?

[iron ore]

Sucks moose cock is the full phrase

I was being POLITE

[forest spruce]

Who even says that

[iron ore]

I would assume canadians

they're the Welsh of the west

[lavish badger]

I liked "Fire Caste" by Fehervari. He also did a few short stories.

[mellow knot]

Seems legit

[iron ore]

https://tenor.com/view/gatekeeping-gatekeeper-exclusionist-lgbt-lgbtqia-gif-12696545

[shrewd silo]

I'm almost done with God blight but is it just me or does 80% of the whole thing kinda feel pointless while at the same time been a massive event

I mean all three books

I mainly want to see Matthew and gman argue and for the demons to shut up

[tall phoenix]

Nope that’s pretty much how it is lol

[iron ore]

Yea guy Haley books lol, fantastic if you’re at an 8th grade reading level

[meager trench]

Most 40k books are pointless, if you want to judge them by if something massive happens

Seems like a weird criterion

[iron ore]

If you want massive events, read horus heresy books I guess. Or anything about the fall of cadia, or the earlier tyrannic wars etc

Most 40k books are extremely self contained, albeit pointless, stories

Devastation of Baal was a big event

The lion coming back was a big event

it's more about following authors and characters you love around tbh

[brittle tapir]

there's an obscure mechanicus novella i read that introduced two entire forge worlds just to kill them off entirely with a super weapon that can make warp taint disappear from one location and then reappear at the location where the weapon was created

it was called the imperium bomb or something "impe-"

you won't find a wiki page for it

the big goof is that they wanted to cleanse a dark mechanicum forge world with the bomb but ended up destroying their home forge world in the process due to the warp suddenly ripping it to pieces

they thought the bomb just got rid of chaos instead of moving it

i think it's pretty good that authors can make events happen without it necessarily needing to affect a large plot. GW has a hard time letting things die so keeping it isolated lets authors actually end stories

[iron ore]

hope when I'm on my deathbed in 60 years ish that 40k end times happens and we get age of gulliman or something

[shrewd silo]

That's not really a problem for me I read kingmaker and that was great.
Same with a bunch of other 40k one shots.
I mean the characters in dark imperium mostly suck ass and I don't care about any of them.
Like war boss was a really fun book you had sneak boss speed boss big boss weird boss and the grot and I could easily like all of them

[iron ore]

Gulliman is cool
Felix is boring
the other primaris marine is boring
cato is cool but they do nothing with him
mathieu is cringe
the custodes are ok I guess
the daemon verge on annoying
fabian and his BT friend are moderately interesting

Dark imperium trilogy is highly average and is great for new fans or those at a lower reading level imo

[shrewd silo]

is great for new fans or those at a lower reading level imo

That's actually a good thing tbh means that everything should be easily understood.
To bad it's boring

Also I'm kinda tired of reading complex hard to understand book and history books that get hard to follow

[iron ore]

true lol

[iron ore]

ciaphas cain books are a good mixup, cadian blood by ADB is good too

[mellow knot]

The Space Marine Battles series was fun. Just a bunch of big ol' fights.

[versed kettle]

Which vision of space is the best?

Although this is the same universe every author has its own style of writing. I'm interested in finding one whose vision is highly respectful towards scientific accuracy. Specifically, I'm looking for an author who pays attention to details like the absence of sound in a vacuum and accurately portrays the immense distances between celestial bodies

[drowsy urchin]

It is often glossed over. The Lion book had some of that but not much. I suppose the bore fest that was Battle For The Abyss had some as well but honestly can't recall much of that book

[versed kettle]

Well, I can understand, the universe isn't about it in the first place

The co-op trailer for Space Marine 2 made me curious about it since it was the first time I saw a Thunder Hawk having manoeuvring boosters, which was a really interesting touch

[timid verge]

reading cypher lord of the fallen rn

all i can say is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2fg3X0daZw

[slow pilot]

damn i never knew just how much of a psychopath belisarius was until i read his book

such a good character

[tall phoenix]

Hes just like us fr

[slow pilot]

i hope not

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-gosling-blade-runner2049-defeat-sad-disappointed-gif-17817916

[wooden barn]

Has anyone read the end and the death yet?

Also wow mortis sucked ass

Worst siege of terra book

Was so fucking weak

[meager trench]

Tons of people yeah

[tall phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-meme-based-gif-25071581

[opal meadow]

i would say that i agree
but this would mean that shared braincell is activated once more

[gilded shadow]

death or glory predicted vermintide by like

9 years

[wooden barn]

Literally hated it

Slog to read through the titan battles

[iron ore]

Reading more than one ciaphas cain book back to back can get a little exhausting lmao

They're hilarious but the first two books are legit go into caves and explore caves and fight in caves

[drowsy urchin]

Yeah I noticed that too

[tall phoenix]

Every Cain book is basically the same thing.

They are not meant to be read back to back, they are most just novels you are suppose to drop and read here and there since the plot points are so recycled and similiar

[iron ore]

Yea BUDDY then how come they put them in the OMNIBUS where they're conveniently placed BACK TO BACK

[tall phoenix]

I KNOW RIGHT

also to be fair

money

[iron ore]

classic james workshop fucking my wallet silly

[shrewd silo]

I think my favourite cain book was him retaking the ork planet.
It's peak generic hero stuff.

[orchid herald]

burnt throught Shadow of the eigth and have to say pretty good justin D.hill makes an awesome tale of the feature of the Cadian Regiment. also to note can we finally get some Karskin grab in comsetics and class (Stormtroopers/Scions for others; Karskin for Cadian Homeworld background)

[random marlin]

Did you enjoy Hill's previous books about Cadians?

[glass sparrow]

I guess I'm just "that" guy who can binge listen to the cain book series due to the fact that the length of the audio books is just a few hours more then a work day for me.

[orchid herald]

yes, but compared to his previous book it a bit better written. also show more about cadia then in the 2nd and 3rd books.

[shrewd silo]

Tbh I found some of the later cain books really hard to focus on.

[drowsy urchin]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/02/dan-abnett-interview-how-i-finished-the-end-and-the-death/

That was quite expected

[tall phoenix]

lmao the dollar-store garden party chairs

[drowsy urchin]

I'd buy those for a dollar

[hard gale]

pretty stoked on this news, i was feeling like 2 books was not enough screen time to wrap up all the loose ends well

and I really liked volume 1

[drowsy urchin]

Same

[shrewd silo]

So I finished the dark imperium trilogy and my rating is it's ok but never gonna go back to it.
Felt very bloated at times with whole chapters on unnecessary uninteresting characters or just over explaining how the NG smells bad and everything in it smells bad.

Matthew was easily the most compelling character.

[tall phoenix]

Based opinions all around

Its very much the most "normal" consensus to make of it unless you just want nothing but filler/las + bolterporn

[shrewd silo]

The worst thing was 2 books in I wanted to reread dune messiah because the Matthews talks to Gman were reminding me of it.
I am doing it now because felt like the first time I went through I missed a lot and was kinda bored but turns out it's a amazing book to read twice.

Dune messiah feels like if the emperor got depressed, lost malcador then got him back and got even more depressed because of it

[drowsy urchin]

I'm a normie and I'll wait for the second movie to come out so I can listen to the first book so I won't spoil the movie for me

[frail tundra]

would you still recommend checking out just the first book of the dark imperium trilogy?

just started eisenhorn and people seems to say dark imperium is the logical next book i should read

[drowsy urchin]

Who says that? I mean if you want to get the relatively latest events then I guess you'd start with Dark Imperium but it has no relevance to Eisenhorn

Next logical step from Eisenhorn would be Ravenor

[digital saffron]

"you should read the art of war after the bible"

[ashen magnet]

Aint those the same thing tho

[random marlin]

Thanks for your answer. I do not click with Justin Hill's style very much, the novel I enjoyed the most in the Cadian series was the second one, because we were following the path of a random imperial citizen who ends up having no other choice but to turn to Chaos to survive. In the first and third ones, I find they focus too much on big battles and characters are pretty much forgotten. There are even things introduced with characters who just aren't used anywhere later. A setup with no payoff is quite frustrating.

The third one, Traitor Rock, was a disappointment after the second one as it was "lasporn" with battles after battles and underdeveloped characters.

However, there are often a couple of scenes in the books he's writing I end up enjoying, such as ||the Warp expanding and swallowing a ship with its occupants turning into pure Chaos|| in Cadia Stands.

That's why I'm on the fence about the 4th one. If it's different fromTraitor Rock, why not, otherwise I probably won't enjoy it.

[hushed aurora]

Has anyone read Dawn of Fire3 Wolftide? Im not really big into space wolves so reluctant to read it. Although being me i bought it anyway and it sitting on the shelve xd

[digital saffron]

I'm pretty sure everyone here that's read it could either barely get through it or stopped halfway through

[hushed aurora]

That bad?

Does a lot of the story carry over to the 4th book or is it safe to skip it?

[tall phoenix]

A lot of Dawn of Fire books really barely have any connection.

Minus like... 3-4 characters maybe? But you can literally just catch up reading reddit summaries.

[hushed aurora]

ahh ok thanks!

[tall phoenix]

Yeah most of them are not really great so you arent missing too much

Wolftime itself is UNIVERSALLY bad since nothing just happens in it

[hushed aurora]

Do you know hows the 4th book then?

[tall phoenix]

Heres my ultra-professional Microsoft Paint review of each book

Wolftime is genuinely the only book id consider "shit", the others are just ok or just meh because almost nothing of importance really occurs in them but theres a few "oh nice" things in-between.

Throne of Light tho honestly I enjoyed, its a bit disjointed but an okay read.

[hushed aurora]

Oh nice, thanks. I ordered The Iron Kingdom and The Martyrs Tomb (might like this one since im a sucker for anything Nurgle)

[tall phoenix]

Yeah it should be alright

[last flicker]

I'm so glad other people are based enough to hate the Furry Sue's

[wicked tree]

I would say a good chunk of the SM base find the SWs unbearable

[iron ore]

pin this

[forest spruce]

There are some wolf posters but they are far and few between

[orchid herald]

Give ravenguard more Novels & Models. Gw please...
anyway who here ordered the Fall of Cadia Box set?

[mellow knot]

mumbles something about enjoying writing for the dodgy SW who’d hopped over to join up with the Red Corsairs

[tall phoenix]

Your books are always excellent in comparison!

[mellow knot]

To be fair, SW lend themselves nicely to villainy

(Also, thanks - I appreciate you x)

[digital saffron]

They're all horrible assholes, the best ones just don't deny it

[brittle tapir]

i love when space wolves said "it's wolf time" and wolfed all over the place

[iron ore]

Combining vikings and furries is a war crime, send whoever made that decision at GW to guatanamo bay

[orchid herald]

who ever evented the Norse faction in warhammer fantasy as Mojarity of 40k faction are scified up it roughly equalling like this. elves= eldar, Norse=SW somewhat, Empire=~Guard, French= ~GK, Choas=Choas, Orcs=ORks, Dwarfs=Squats. ectect, but SW have there purpose to be Shamed by GW lore, While Ultramarines should and is the to have it Hated by other Players, especially minor loyalist legion players (RG,WS,IH,Sals,IF)

[digital saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-funny-shocked-confused-huh-gif-16455160

[brittle tapir]

i know a bunch of scandinavian furries who don't even go to that level of cheesiness

[iron ore]

Why is there massive crossover between Scandinavians/furries/death metal/nazism

[brittle tapir]

they don't have a lot to do up there except get drunk and yell at things

[digital saffron]

Caoivish experience

[brittle tapir]

shut the FUCK up

[digital saffron]

[tall phoenix]

Yes. Good.

Kill and fight for my entertainment.