40k-book-club

[untold jungle]

i see like filler episodes of one piece?

[meager trench]

like most of that dragon ball season where goku and frieza were blowing up namek

more yelling, more screaming, more rocks being pulverized ad nauseum

[slow pilot]

1 more book

[shrewd silo]

Kinda like AOT final season part 22

[slow pilot]

Books

[tall phoenix]

BOOK

also doubt

[red portal]

Ok, so my friend in another server (it's a fanfiction server where we actually enjoy well constricted stories and grammar nazi each other to promote growing writers) and he's doing a Destinty and Warhammer cross

I want y'alls opinion on his Tzeentch

’Child. That was not Antares.’ Tzeentch whispered. ’That was an entity far more dangerous and manipulative than you could ever possibly imagine. Do not trust that warmth.'

“Why?” She roared into the desolate cell. “It felt like mister Antares!” Her anger bloomed like a deadly flower, the cell walls bending slightly away from her as her powers flexed and buckled with her emotions.

’Because that entity knows what would draw you in, and it wishes to twist you away from everything you hold dear.' Tzeentch continued. ’I am trying to protect you from it.’

“Oh yeah?!” She screamed. Her rage mixed with crippling sadness, Tzeentch’s mind drawing away from her fury. “Then what’s its name?”

’The Anathema.’

[red portal]

Context: Destiny takes place in a separate galaxy where The Old Ones did some shenanigans to make humanity develop in two separate place indepentdent and general relativity can suck it. And Antares is a Custodes, Anise is the first Psyker in Destiny and has been captured by Fallen. She's a beta class

[slow pilot]

Bought the dark imperium series

[lament juniper]

has the emperor got throned in the series yet?

[orchid herald]

@tall phoenix can you get Hedge and Catfish to give you the running of the book club?

[meager trench]

Throning has not happened yet

[tall phoenix]

I would be a terrible runner lol

Im not really qualified for the job either

[orchid herald]

sad 😦

[forest spruce]

F

[magic sable]

Are The Last Chancers books any good

[meager trench]

Yeah, classics

[untold jungle]

I haven’t read that as well gotta check it out

[orchid herald]

can anyone comfirm that the Arks of Oman book lion come out today or is it tomorrow?

[orchid herald]

there good read it enjoy make sure you get the omnibus edition as it contains the extra shorts stories.

[untold jungle]

22nd for me I think I’m EST

[orchid herald]

okay thanks.

[daring whale]

I just finished the Fulgrim book 5 of HH and what the fuck lol.

[tall phoenix]

I dont understand why people overblow that book so much

the Slaanesh corruption in it is extremely tame lmao

[drowsy urchin]

But it's great!

[jaunty stratus]

its way too long for what happens imo

but I can understand, why emps allowed them to wear the aquila. They are the most idiotic legion, with the biggest buffoon in chief. They truly represent the Imperium

[drowsy urchin]

Finished Brutal Kunnin' last night. Was pretty great and loved the orks' perspective with a few chapters from the other faction's perspectives

[jaunty stratus]

That one was really funny, also I learned funny new names and terms. Though, felt a bit bad for the Titan crew and also that small grot, what was his name again?

[drowsy urchin]

Nikit or something, I had the audiobook version

[jaunty stratus]

Ah yes, in german it was Nisquick or something, always reminded me of that nestle cacao powder

Do we have some news about the book club? Does it have a chance of a revival or something?

[drowsy urchin]

probably on hold until further notice

[harsh meteor]

I loved Fulgrim book

Was a bit of a slow-burner but then it hit the quite literal Grande Finale and was awesome to see things happening

[plain flint]

Read it recently as well, a bit of a slog but overall really good book.

[untold jungle]

any1 read the lion book today? is it worth it

[orchid herald]

Yes. It is. I would recommand it if you can get a copy.

[wicked tree]

I wonder who wrote the novel time to check.

😮

He wrote the Huron book and the recent Ork novels

Alright, might be worth a read then

[magic sable]

I’m 18% of the way through The Lion and it’s pretty good so far

[meager trench]

I saw a comparison on reddit about it that encompasses how I feel about it: it's the Primarchs series equivalent of a Primarch return novel. That series was mostly kinda mediocre

The Lion novel isn't terrible, it's just not incredible

[wicked tree]

That’s fair. I’ll go into with very low expectations.
I kind of expect the book to be as painfully mid as the HH Lion novel. But I hope it’s better

[shrewd silo]

The HH lion novels suck hard

Idk what about them do but I can't pay attention or really care about any of the characters in them.

[meager trench]

its better than the HH lion novels generally, though I will say i enjoyed descent of angels at the time

it does what is does fairly well, a different take on the lion as he's aged and thrown into the 41st millennium

[shrewd silo]

Actually kinda want to recommend a manga that's a scifi setting with a totalitarian government in a war using people as human weapons and the main characters are women and in a far more normal way than sisters of batter or typical female action hero leads.

https://myanimelist.net/manga/23502/Wombs

[pine elm]

hello, im not sure if this is the right place to ask, but if i buy the lion ebook, what format do i get it in?

https://www.blacklibrary.com/prod-home/new/the-lion-son-of-the-forest-ebook-eng-2023.html

[frigid osprey]

From black library site it's a choice of Epub or Mobi

(or both)

[pine elm]

yea i bit the bullet and i made an account and stuff, ordering now but uh, are there any common vouchers i can use?

[frigid osprey]

None that I know of

[pine elm]

i know its like 10 pounds, but thats 18 dollars for me so ehhhh

student life, i guess

[untold jungle]

is the new lion book worth it?

[meager trench]

Scroll up like 5 posts

[tall phoenix]

Not really

just look up spoilers/summaries on r40klore

[pine elm]

i liked it

honestly, im really new to this, read the infinite and the divine, eisenhorn and night lords books before this, but this is nice

it is also my first book that actually has a primarch in it, so i guess i dont have anything to judge it off of, but it did have me smiling, so i think its pretty good

[tall phoenix]

Yeah you are fresh to the Primarch craze so your opinion would be more civil and normal

Compared to degenerates like me

[digital saffron]

You can only read about how based and epic Primarchs are for so many books

[pine elm]

i wanted to read the horus heresy primarch books, but none of them sounded interesting so i didnt

[swift beacon]

I’ve enjoyed a lot of them. Perturabo, Alpharius, Konrad, Fulgrim, and Jaghatai. Those were really good books

[pine elm]

ive wanted to read the konrad one since i read the night lords omnibus, but the sanguinius one is the newest so i was considering that

[tall phoenix]

This is entirely correct

if you wanna read the Primarch books go for those, ironically they are the best ones

[hearty niche]

Are there any quality books centered around Necromunda gangers? I just unboxed my Kindle today. I've got some Peter Fehervari and Robbie ManNiven lined up. (Fire Caste, Cult of the Spiral Dawn, The Last Hunt)

[drowsy urchin]

The new Lion book is great, I'm half way through the audio version and the narrator is great

I've had 0 interest in Dark Angels before this

[wicked tree]

Looks to be 3 proper novels and a bunch of short stories centred around a few gangs

[frigid osprey]

theres quite a few Necromunda books and short stories

there was an Underhive compilation of short stories relatively recently, Josh Reynolds has done at least one Kal Jericho novel

I've not read them though to be honest!

[jaunty stratus]

yeah, just ignore Gman. Hell what a shitty book. I don't understand how someone thought "yeah, this is a good book for gman, really sums up his life and persona" lol

[timid halo]

I think Valdor's primarch book is probably the best

Love me some thunder warriors lore

[toxic meadow]

so um, anyone else reading/read Eisenhorn? it was recommended to me as a good starting book by a friend

[pine elm]

i read them a few months ago, they arent my favorites but i liked them

[frigid osprey]

Xenos is probably the perfect 40k novel imo

it's a great starting book!

[pine elm]

id also recommend the night lords omnibus because it made night lords one of my favorite legions

[forest spruce]

Just got the lion novel

[shrewd silo]

Yeah it's good it's a action space detective story with aliens and magic

If your more into Blackadder in space try ciaphas cain

[toxic meadow]

yeah so far it's been great, denser than I was expecting but I've picked up my reading pace and I'm the Malleus now

[shrewd silo]

Nice

[toxic meadow]

yeah

there's still a lot of parts where I have no idea what they're talking about, but I've been making do when possible

[shrewd silo]

I got a cosin to read xenos and she like it a lot.
Saw darktide medical servitors and was like wait they aren't just robots?
Yeah they are human remains lobotomised then programmed to do stuff.

[meager trench]

is your cosin like the mosin nagant of cousins

[shrewd silo]

Idk

[tired remnant]

What would you all say is 'required reading' for Horus Heresy? I'm ripping through Galaxy in Flames and almost done after three days. Really enjoyed Horus Rising and False Gods, but not sure with all the other reading I'd like to do if I can handle the entire series.

[shrewd silo]

I like 1-5 they are must reads
13-18-23-24 are good
@tired remnant

There's a bunch of primarch books in between but I found them forgettable.

Also 13 nemesis is entirely unnecessary but I like the book

[tired remnant]

Thank you, I really appreciate the recommendations 🙂

[sage gale]

I'm a huge fan of the imperium secundus books

i'd start with:
Fear to tread
Know no fear
Unremembered empire
Pharos (though it's not really important, it's a semi decent book)
Angels of Caliban
Ruinstorm

Mostly because these are the only books that contain IX legion, which is the best legion

they also paint a pretty decisive picture as to what the bulk of the loyalist forces were up too durring the heresy

[full phoenix]

So when asked the question "what book should I read first to get into 40k" we can come up with a list of 5 and about 3 of those books we can agree upon. Most of those books if not all are about the Imperium. So if I asked "What books should I read if I want to know more about Orks, Eldar, or Tau?" What would you guys suggest? It is something I think the Black Library is lacking.

[wicked tree]

[random marlin]

Check the pinned comment for a complete list for a lot of factions. 🙂

[mellow knot]

A list that is always growing and I’m happy to add to with people’s suggestions. I just chucked it onto my blog for a place to keep it

[random marlin]

Hey Captain, how have you been doing? 🙂

[mellow knot]

Busy busy 🙂

[frigid osprey]

Black library just is lacking for most things outside the Imperium, unfortunately

You'll find them as adversaries though and sometimes it tells you a bit about them

[ebon sleet]

I was going to pick up the Kindle version of eisenhorn, found the listed "omnibus" there. This is just all 3 of the books one all together right? I want to make sure I'm buying the right thing

[untold jungle]

yeah believe so

in total there should be about 33x pages

[hearty niche]

Hey, I’m currently trying to get a friend into the Warhammer 40k books, but seeing as there’s so many, I’m not sure where to start. They’re completely new to Warhammer and don’t really know any of the lore besides the main points (the Heresy happened, etc). Could anyone help direct me where to start?

[tall phoenix]

Look at the pins on this channel

we got some good starter book recommendations

📖

[hearty niche]

Thanks muchly

[tall phoenix]

no worries

[jaunty stratus]

Finished unremembered empire recently. That is the Primarch book, that the Gman deserves. What a fun book and really some fresh air after lots of dark and gritty (edgy) books before in the HH series. Interesting insights into the Legion and Gman, interesting characters as a whole and lots of funny moments. DA did some good work there, kind of rewarding even after some slogfest prior that

[drowsy urchin]

Ye Unremembered Empire is great

[forest spruce]

Everybody reminding the lion how old he looks is gold

[quiet yew]

I read the Eisenhorn trilogy since last I posted here

My conclusion: ||Eisenhorn is a fucking heretic||

[forest spruce]

You sure your not the heretic

[quiet yew]

||Eisenhorn does some really unforgivable things||

[forest spruce]

|| didnt he bind a daemon or something like that ||

[quiet yew]

||Into one of his loyal followers, no less. The daemon was a daemon prince, too.||

[forest spruce]

|| for the imperium i guess, giulliman also used a daemon of tzeentch to figure out mortys plans||

[quiet yew]

||That's how Chaos gets you eventually||

[forest spruce]

|| thats exactly what the grey knoght who was present said ||

[jaunty stratus]

||Eisenhorn is too dense/stoic to get corrupted imo, but yeah, by the logic of the Inquisition (which isn't much), he's a renegade and heretic. But you are also a heretic if you look too long at Tau or Eldar weaponry, so theres that ||

[quiet yew]

That's what they all say

[jaunty stratus]

You should continue with reading Magos and Bequin books, Ravenor too

[zinc path]

So I just finished the new Lion book ||it was good though it felt kinda rushed. ||

[ornate tangle]

Yooo how was it

I haven’t picked it up yet

[drowsy urchin]

I very much enjoyed it, made DA interesting again

[ornate tangle]

Lls I’m sure it looked dope I missed out on getting a lion mini and I’m still trying to finish the Horus heresy there’s way to much to consume wish I could read all the 40k books

[sage gale]

absolutely

pharos is also really good

but its also got a bunch of nightlords

angels of caliban is a dark angels book

and thus

not great

[jaunty stratus]

Yeah, Dark Angels were a really a bunch of boring books in the HH so far. But at least not harming, which is something, I guess

[shrewd silo]

Kind of a random thought.
Let's say they make a perfect scene for scene tv adaptation of the first esinhorn book.
But they gender swap esinhorn to female.
40 year old extremely well respected and capable inquisitor who is also one or the youngest to ever become full inquisitor

Reckon it would be called some woke made by angry feminist by YT critics?

[digital saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[tall phoenix]

Bad bait too.

almost tempted to bite it.

[shrewd silo]

It pretty much what I thought the moment I thought of it

[oak pollen]

been there

[glass sparrow]

I mean.... we already have a young looking strong female inquisitor that has her own boy toy Imperial Hero

[swift beacon]

Let’s not forget the female inquisitor from Fenris, she owns a grey knight squad. Her smiling wolf feature is something to imagine.

[jaunty stratus]

for a moment I was wondering who Bequins boytoy is, until I realized you meant Mr. Muttonchops

[mellow knot]

I had a female Inquisitor in Portents. She gave zero shits.

[quiet yew]

Alizabeth becomes an Inquisitor?

[jaunty stratus]

Its the "Inquisitor" series. I sure hope so. I don't want it to be the "Almost Inquisitor" series

[frail tundra]

just finished The Lords of Silence, thanks for recommending it I thoroughly enjoyed it :D

[shrewd silo]

Just finished warboss

Way more fun and enjoyable than lion son of the forest

[lament storm]

sorry if this is a faq, but what would be some good beginner books for 40k or horus heresy? im really interested in the emperors children or alpha legion primarchs so anything with them id like!

[brittle tapir]

you could read fulgrim if you want the full story of the emps children decline

it chronicles their descent into chaos

for getting started with the horus heresy i can't really recommend anything except the first book since it sets the tone of everything

from horus rising to the flight of the eisenstein you get the proper start of the series with what horus is doing

i think those 4 books have a bit too much fluff from side characters but they're pretty important for the series

[lament storm]

that sounds awesome! i know the basics of the heresy and fulgrims story from youtube but itd be awesome to actually get the fully story in a novel form. thank you for the recommendation

[shrewd silo]

I would say HH 1 to 5 is the real intro.
Books 1 to 3 follow horus and set the story up then 4 is death guard then 5 is emperor's children.
After that I think you can just skip around to whatever HH book your interested in

[lament storm]

that seems like good advice, i checked because for me the heresy makes since to be the introduction to the setting novel wise, then learned there was 54 or so books

[shrewd silo]

Yeah it's a long seires I'm taking a break since I listened to 2 of the audiobooks then dropped the next two half way and will need to go back at some point

Gonna take years for me to finish it

That said 40k got a lot of good books that are not space marine dramaqueens

[lament storm]

yeah i for sure want to explore some of the xenos stuff, the aeldari seem super cool especially the harlequins

[spiral panther]

I can also recommend every siege of terra novel

they are all a joy to read

[meager trench]

Yeah mortis was great as cure for insomnia

[pine mason]

Best Horus Heresy books, go ahead, make me spend $$ uwu 👇

[tall phoenix]

I'll only say entirely avoid every Dark Angel book and Battle for the Abyss

[wicked tree]

Best?
Warhawk of Chogoris, Scars, Path to Heaven. Best to read the WS’ arc in that order. Lost and the Damned and Warhawk are also good reads to follow their main actions during the SoT

[dull frost]

https://youtu.be/-p5786lgn08

[eager agate]

I just finished Legion. Good one. Any other recommended standalone book of the Heresy? Or should I start the chronological order already?

In the last months I read the whole Gaunt's Ghosts and the Eisenhorn omni. Will get back to Ravenor after I spend some time on the HH

[shrewd silo]

I liked hh 5 13 23

[elder snow]

so do you guys think the 4 chaos gods are gonna kick Vashtorr in the nuts or something before his ascention to become a 5th chaos god? Since like, it's just more competition for them in their great game

cus in the most recent arks of omen books that's his goal

[shrewd silo]

What's the new books with the lion in them?
Besides son of the forest

[digital saffron]

The only other one is the Arks of Omen book

[forest spruce]

Books take time to write itll prolly be a while till we get more

[shrewd silo]

Thanks

[forest spruce]

I didnt know i needed a necron arguing with himself in my life but im glad im starting twice dead king

[quiet yew]

Well he wouldn't be the first upstart they kill

Khorne wears the 7 skulls of his brothers after all

[hoary mountain]

Yeah but they can't kill Vashtoor

Because he's their sugar daddy for weapons and shit

And he's in general neutral regarding the long game too

Unlike Belakor who immediately went fuck you I'm now gonna take over

[elder snow]

Yeah but he isn’t nearly as powerful as the 4 chaos gods and knows that if he started taking sides or doing his own agenda the 3 or 4 chaos gods will smack him hard. But now he’s gonna ascend to a actual chaos god and be on par with the 4 chaos gods. So it doesn’t matter what his intentions are because he will become a actual potential threat. Which really the only 3 potential threats the 4 chaos gods have to deal with rn are the god emperor, silent kings plan to null the warp, the other chaos gods.

[hoary mountain]

The main problem with this is that if anyone goes against Vashtoor, the other three+Vashtoor would clap him back as holding the Forge of Souls means holding the entirety of daemon weapon production

[elder snow]

Yeah exactly, so why wouldn't all 4 chaos gods team up to put him in his place? A 5th chaos god would be bad for the other 4.

[hoary mountain]

Because then the Forge of Souls wouldn't have a master

And so no one to make weapons for your daemons

[elder snow]

yeah yeah just kick him down a notch

[hoary mountain]

Also remember that Vashtoor doesn't really have a long term plan, he's literally doing this out of boredom

[elder snow]

like gatekeep his ascention

[hoary mountain]

Unlike once again belakor who wanted to be all powerful

[elder snow]

But still ascending to a 5th chaos god on par with the other 4 for any reason is a legit threat the 4 chaos gods, they are already at their throats enough

[hoary mountain]

True, but considering his Switzerland status in hell the other gods probably won't mind too much until its too late

Especially considering the weapon is said to be able to annihilate the imperium

Wich also would be how he wants to ascend

[elder snow]

aren't humans the chaos gods favorite play thing? Like how in fantaasy nurgle saved a city from tzeetch cus it's his favorite plague spot. Maybe the 4 chaos gods do something like that

[hoary mountain]

Yeah that's the most probable part if they are gonna interfere

They learn that the weapon is actually meant as a fall of the Eldar 2.0 kind of deal and be like "Wait, maybe that's too much"

[slow pilot]

I now have every printed guy Haley book

[spiral panther]

very good taste

[shrewd silo]

I'm pretty sure it would be whatever has the most pykic power soul size.
So it's probably ||old ones|| eldar, humans, tau,orks then nothing from necrons/nids

[elder snow]

Yeah but humans are in the trillions

[elder snow]

And gork and mork have a good grasp on the orks.

Tau souls compared to human souls are lesser too

And all eldar souls belong to slaanesh after death

[toxic meadow]

Ok so I'm just starting the horus heresy series and I'm so lost already

I'm barely through the first chapter of the first book and nothing makes sense

[drowsy urchin]

keep going, it'll make sense soon

[swift beacon]

Just finished Son of the Forest. I’m satisfied with the ending, but i thought it was a bit rushed. ||When Lion first met Dante, wish they get caught up with each other, but hearing him saying he’s not alone brings a smile to my face ||

[spiral panther]

the only thing you need to know is that garviel loken is a babe

[swift beacon]

You’ll get there, it’s one of the popular ones of the HH stories. Its slow, but it’ll eventually make you like Horus legion.

[orchid herald]

Aee we going to get another book for bookclib?

[meager trench]

Tfw there is new SoB fiction out but it's not by danie ware so will likely not be good

[tacit raft]

this book is so good, reminded me about old Ragnar books. ||Its a quest story, started from scratch, he got nothing, not even memory, but through sheer effort and luck he got on top. Reading about primarch that is reasonable, my god, that was so good. Its like finally 500iq person started to feel like average Joe. i guess its 10/10 book||

[slow pilot]

Why are there only a few guy Haley novels printed and the rest are audio?

[drowsy urchin]

Probably just out of print at the moment of you are looking at the black library website

[mellow knot]

Hello book folks, are you all well?

[drowsy urchin]

Quite, going through my second Ciaphas Cain book at the moment

[light lion]

I just listened to duel between the lion and Russ

bruh IDGAF my man "lost" it was awesome

[nova flume]

Any one know of an updated release date for the final book on siege of terra? I looked online but couldn’t find one

[tall phoenix]

There isn't a confirmed date yet iirc

its usually done through Warhammer Community alongside the cover reveal among other stuff

[little oasis]

please read the entire ahriman omnibus.

all is dust.

[orchid herald]

Can last chancers omnibus be the next book?

[jaunty stratus]

Wdym? For book club?

[quiet yew]

just let go and be immersed

[slow pilot]

https://www.amazon.com/Martyrs-Tomb-Warhammer-40-000/dp/180026190X/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=UAwDA&content-id=amzn1.sym.d074eab8-bf03-4fe0-bb3f-9ee750731124&pf_rd_p=d074eab8-bf03-4fe0-bb3f-9ee750731124&pf_rd_r=H0PN1JTAM2PQ3T0HFZ2H&pd_rd_wg=WURzg&pd_rd_r=4bb9eafa-51da-49e6-83c5-b79de798d02b&ref_=pd_gwm_bmx_gp_hl2dh6to

[meager trench]

i enjoyed helbrecht so i'm looking forward to this

[proven spoke]

give it a while, the world will flesh out very nicely as you progress

[magic sable]

Just wanted everyone to know that Assassinorum: Kingmaker owns and everyone should read/listen to it

[proven spoke]

I read it, and as you say, its amazing.

[orchid herald]

+1

[smoky ermine]

Perpetuals are the worst thing to happen to 40k.
Discuss.

[tall phoenix]

Thats probably more of a #40k-lore-chat

[hybrid isle]

i started reading eisenhorn

its like the adventures of an influencer, an autistic, a fuckboy and a hooker
amazing

[glass lintel]

The Horus Heresy books aren't a very good start in the fiction. I heavily recommend just poking around until you find a cool model or fanart someone did, reading a wiki or listening to a podcast on them, finding books of that faction/character, and working from there.

Especially with the first three HH books following one of the blandest characters in a bland legion.

[glass lintel]

I'd give you shit for saying 'an autistic' - myself being autistic - if I didn't think that was the same level of sensitivity Abnett wrote about anyone who wasn't a grizzled European soldier.

[round citrus]

Are you saying our boy Garviel is blander than the wonderbread he's based on?

[glass lintel]

I think Garviel would get offered a saltine cracker and declare it as Heretical for being too spicy.

[round citrus]

Lol

The good characters are Syndermin, Keeler, Torgaddon, Abbadon...

Horus, Horus Aximand...

The one good Emperor's Children guy that i forgot the name of...

Basically everyone but Garviel, lol

[glass lintel]

I feel like the Horus Heresy books failed trying to take things seriously.

I think the best way they could've been handled would be written as blatant Imperial Propaganda, or if they were made two editions ago and were cheesy as hell.

Otherwise, the books make me like characters less because of how forced a lot of their actions feel in order to make an event that was given a specific date in the margins of a Second/Third Edition's rules pages occur.

[round citrus]

Honestly I don't...dislike HH, I just think it took away from the setting by making like a Book of Exodus style mythic event into a family soap opera

I liked seeing how the imperium was different before the Heresy and people being like, normal

it's like racist star trek

but thats the thing

the ambience is cool but not the substance

[hybrid isle]

nah its just that the old man reminds me of the... (modern?) autistic stereotype

like smart and obsessed with things, i don't know

but its definitely not an insult

[frigid osprey]

savant

[quiet yew]

I agree. Sadly HH is primarch wankery instead of a galactic civil war

[magic sable]

My HH experience was reading in order up to Mechanicum and then just doing the consensus good books, and then doing Siege of Terra in order

Massively more enjoyable than reading 30-40 books of filler

Even then I skipped some of the SoT books

[sage gale]

this is true

my general advice for HH

is read first 5

then read the ones that pertain to legions and plotlines you care about

cause you can get pretty far just reading all the horus books

[proven spoke]

On that note

[sage gale]

or like

[proven spoke]

Don't read the Damnation of Pythos

[sage gale]

correct

[sage gale]

the loyalist side of this is just read "fear to tread" thru "ruinstorm" and skip angels of caliban

[proven spoke]

I read that book start to finish as an Iron Hands fan and I knew from about 4 chapters in exactly how the book would end, and it was a total waste of time.

Some books in that series just have aweful writing.

So if you find yourself trying something out and getting bored, seriously, consider a skip

[sage gale]

angels of claiban

[proven spoke]

I gave up on that halfway through

Mainly because of how boring the Luther parts are

[sage gale]

yeah i skipped the luther parts

[proven spoke]

I also basically skipped over all the salamander books

because vulkan lives just gave me depression when I tried reading it

[sage gale]

like

my recomended loyalist reading order for heresy goes

first 5

[proven spoke]

Theres a reading chart

for specific legions

[sage gale]

Fear to tread
know no fear
unremembered empire
pharos
angels of caliban, skip the luther bits,
ruinstorm

and brings you to the siege

while hitting all of the important bits

[proven spoke]

thats a good overview

http://gaming.kylebb.com/hhtimeline/

[sage gale]

because in all honesty, all the other loyalist books, besides like one or two spacewolf ones, are background to that

[proven spoke]

Well theres good background and theres boring background

[sage gale]

true

[proven spoke]

I liked pretty much every single space wolf book

for example

[sage gale]

but i also don't want to tell someone to read 13921876458273654 books to understand why the ironhand metalfist mcironass happened upon some random xenos artifact that could end the war and never gets brought up again

[proven spoke]

lol

Fair point

[sage gale]

doesn't matter how good the book is, its rough recomending that to someone whos getting started with the heresy

[proven spoke]

Sure

[sage gale]

later on going back and reading all the background and filler novels is good

[proven spoke]

I basically went into it thinking I wanna know as much as I can.

Fast forward like

idk

6-7 years

and I'm now in the end and the death part 1

lol

[sage gale]

but understanding the two key plotlines, basically the two roads to terra is more important for someone getting in

[proven spoke]

Yup

I ended up doing that, skipping over

Idk how many anthologies

[sage gale]

I typically reccomend "lupercals war"

to new people

but other than that

[proven spoke]

Thats a solid one.

[sage gale]

most anthologies are just

ok

[proven spoke]

I think the early anthologies offer interesting introductions for certain groups in the universe

[sage gale]

not enough blood angels content in most of them for me to care

[proven spoke]

but later anthologies are like

So heres a dude

shit sucks

uuuuuuuh

the end

[sage gale]

he will not matter again

[proven spoke]

yup

[sage gale]

some of the anthologies are good

because they try and tell a story thru short stories

but most of the HH ones aren't

[proven spoke]

Yeah

[sage gale]

because there is just

[proven spoke]

The short stories introducting the sisters of silence and Barabas Dantioch are

[sage gale]

too much going on to tell a cohesive story

[proven spoke]

Chefs kiss

[sage gale]

without it being a novel

[proven spoke]

But they're an anomaly

or like

After Deshea

[sage gale]

theres this custodes one i've heard mixed reviews about

like people either love it or hate it

[proven spoke]

Whats the name?

[sage gale]

blood games

[proven spoke]

Oh

I know that one

I'm ok with it

conceptually

[sage gale]

I haven't gotten around to it yet

chris wraight does good custodes stuff

He should be the only one allowed to write for custodes

[proven spoke]

So the funny thing is

people really love Chris for his white scars material

and generally I do too

but I never finished the pathway to heaven

Even though thats like, one of his most praised scars books

[sage gale]

Chris is really good at taking factions with ambiguous backgrounds and filling them out with decent meat

[proven spoke]

I tried reading it 3 times, and 3 times I stopped midway

[sage gale]

he's not so good at writing follow ups to those novels

[proven spoke]

Seems like it.

[sage gale]

like

Watchers of the Throne 1: very good

Watchers of the throne 2: not bad but not his best

Scars vs path to heaven

ETC

[proven spoke]

Something like that.

Although I recall liking the watchers series more

[sage gale]

Watchers 1 is the better of the two

Watchers 2 kinda dragged on

[proven spoke]

Oh

wait no

I'm confusing it with Vaults of Terra

I gave up mid watchers 2

LOL

[sage gale]

VoT is the odd one out here

all 3 vaults books were very good

Navradaran is, infact, based as hell

[proven spoke]

Yes

Unironically

But yeah

I never finished watchers 2

[sage gale]

it's alright

you know how it's going to end halfway thru

[proven spoke]

idk its either

it hooks me in and I read like

15 books

or I give up 4 chapters in

Compare

Gaunts Ghosts vs Word Bearers Omnibus

[sage gale]

yeah

but the wordbearers stories all suck

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[proven spoke]

I mean

I enjoyed the HH ones but

post HH its just

we're moustache twirling nutcases

[sage gale]

Well in the heresy they are these cool masters of puppets

[proven spoke]

Yar Harr fiddle di dee

being a nutcase is alright with me

[sage gale]

driving the galaxy to chaos and ruin

[proven spoke]

Yup

[sage gale]

post heresy they try and keep the same shtick

but like

to what end exactly?

[proven spoke]

That

[sage gale]

they make a cult on some obscure imperial world

good job ig

[proven spoke]

And they are not relatable in any way shape or form

As compared to

[sage gale]

well yeah

[proven spoke]

The Night Lords Trilogy

Where you feel bad for Talos and Co

[sage gale]

You don't feel for them

you just go

wow

y'all are jackasses

[proven spoke]

Yup

[sage gale]

and root for their demise

they have the same problem as greyfax

[proven spoke]

Its like when I tried reading the Dark Eldar trilogy

6 chapters in all I thought was

[sage gale]

greyfax simply isn't a likable character

[proven spoke]

I hope you get killed in an galactic car crash unironically

and just stopped

like, I just dont see the appeal

[sage gale]

yeah

"Why don't non imperial factions get more books!"
the non imperial factions in question:

[proven spoke]

Right

On the bright side

The Necron books are all bangers

[sage gale]

I do want:
More tau
More necrons (specifically trazyn)
More Orkz

[proven spoke]

As are the Ork books I've found, for the most part.

[sage gale]

Yeah

Infinite & the divine

slaps

[proven spoke]

The uh, what was it

the duology of the once dead king

I really enjoyed that

[sage gale]

yeah

twice dead king

[proven spoke]

And there was also a book about

Oberon and his

pharaeon

what was his name

[sage gale]

yee

i

do not remember lmao

[proven spoke]

Yeah idk the dude whos roleplaying as senile

/ dementiac

Hes funny

Zandrekh

Yeah

Zandrekh

[sage gale]

mhm

[proven spoke]

I also read a really interesting book about Genestealer cults

Day of Ascension

That was great

But honestly they're so few and far between

compared to the uh

mountains of Imperial stuff

[sage gale]

Yeah

Imperial stuff gets written the most because it's more relatable in theory

it's also what happens to sell very well

[proven spoke]

pretty much

Also I get quirky ass characters like Belisarius Cowl in Wolfsbane

that was some funny stuff

[sage gale]

man

wolfsbane not have continuity errors for 5 pages be like:

[proven spoke]

I enjoyed it

If I wanted to really be pissed about continuity and too many cooks syndrome

I'd look at how the depiction of the Emperor changed radically over the series

[sage gale]

the emperor is often better thought of as a plot device

over a character

[weak terrace]

is there a book or series of books that show roboute's return/how he met up with the eldar and all that?

[sage gale]

Dark imperium touches on it

and iirc the in dawn of fire book it's covered

[meager trench]

his return's only detailed in the campaign supplement, its never really talked about anywhere else

[hybrid isle]

still reading eisenhorn, bequin is too cute i hope nothing bad happens to her 😩

[grand flare]

Eisenhorn is a good story of how normal inquisitor turns into dangerous radical. I really liked it, maybe it's time to re-read...

[frigid osprey]

that's in the Gathering Storm fluff

then Dawn of Fire picks up from there

[weak terrace]

dang so not llike, a reall book or anything showing how or why the eldar brought RBG back and his reaction to waking and how they became allies n allll that

or why all of a sudden theres a million memes about eldar gf for a primarch

i just finished book one of dawn of fire, avenging son, and it did not reveal anything so far

[quiet yew]

If you can handle all the made-up exotic swordplay again lol

[grand flare]

We'll see. I was a student in school back then, so something may have changed in my taste.

[tall phoenix]

Theres no reason for it, its just because Yvraine is a woman and Guilliman is a man so people instantly assume they should fuck lol

[tall phoenix]

Since I cannot promote pirating id suggest just reading the 13th Black Crusade wikipage since its entirely copy pasted from the actual codexes that came out during that era, just ctrl + f and search for Guilliman keywords

[digital saffron]

they also aren't allies, that's eldrad iirc

[frigid osprey]

Ya or watch a YouTube lore vid about gathering Storm, eg. ArbitorIan's one.

but this is how most 40k lore is delivered anyway: in codexes, campaign books and white dwarf articles

[meager trench]

Yvraine's had dealings with Guilliman, I'd say her status is marginally lower than eldrad's in Guillimans book. And only because Illiyanne Natase was sent by eldrad to advise Guilliman, which may indicate a higher level of ally

[digital saffron]

In one of the Dawn of Fires, an emissary from eldrad comes to declare the alliance if I recall?

I think it was gate of bones

Bobby also talks with Eldrad

The Ynnari as I understand just got him on his feet and screwed off

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its the half-eldar from rogue trader

but instead hes a full on eldar now, so its more of a wink wink reference

Yvraine has had only like 2 meetings with Guilliman and they both lasted like 5 minutes.

[grand flare]

Do not underestimate what a son of God-Emperor is capable to do in just 5 minutes.

[round citrus]

5 minutes is all Guiliman has time for anyway

[tall phoenix]

Don't be weird lmao

[grand flare]

Okay-okay, I know that actually Roboute is quite disgusted by the fact, he was resurrected by xenos and is sorta dependent on their tech.

But the man can joke.

[digital saffron]

It's not their tech, it's Cawl's
And he's been training himself to go without it

[grand flare]

It was 50/50, and yes, he did.

[meager trench]

the emissary was illiyanne natase, as i already named, and he was sent to advise guilliman as part of his concilia psykana

[tired remnant]

yeah im a couple hundred pages deep into the first book, his dry narration had me laughing out loud at times, particularly a moment where he nonchalantly says he doesnt have much to smile about

[hybrid isle]

i loved that one "i fucked your sister" moment

[slow pilot]

Its warhammer, when does anything good happen

[hybrid isle]

don't do that please i want her to live and get the happiness she deserves

[slow pilot]

When reading warhammer Just assume something bad will happen and you will never be disappointed

[proven spoke]

....you....I can't...pat pat there there, it will all be....alright

[grand flare]

I like it how everyone basically spoilering the plot without spoilers.

[sterile galleon]

Papa Nurgle and the Space Orks are having a good time. Ogryns too. Don't forget about the Beasts of Nurgle - they're giant slug puppies that love you to death.

The T'au are a reasonably positive race within the Universe. Certainly better than the Imperium of Man which is an autocratic dictatorship.

[west slate]

the squats seem broadly pretty put together and not miserable. tyranids are kind of only sad in that the whole genestealer cult betrayal thing which i always found kind of over the top, otherwise they seem pretty happy, in the way owls or other predators are happy, like, when fed

the like rank and file of chaos seem to sometimes be having a pretty good time. like sure it's a hedonism treadmill but for awhile slaneesh is a great time

[sterile galleon]

Tummy full bugs are happy bugs!

I mean Papa Nurgle loves you despite being a grotesque zombie with maggots shooting out of your pee hole.

[drowsy urchin]

Trazyn has the time of his life collecting his little trinkets

[west slate]

we kind of see the worst parts of the imperium, when broadly like it's not autocratic on the basis there isn't really a coherent like, political authority on the overwhelming majority of human occupied worlds? of which there are explicitly like too many to even count

you tithe and often that's terrible, but the specifics of your planetary governor's whims can be pretty broad

like the imperium is a distant and abstract force that maybe sends assholes to harass you occasionally and sometimes it's with religion

living on an agriworld is not always that bad

[west slate]

the fuckin like necrons who have completely given up and have decided that they're just going to turn themselves into killdozers explicitly are having a ball

[drowsy urchin]

Well I guess, the ones depicted in Twice Dead King were pretty indifferent to everything, killing including. They just had to do it

Or rather it was the only thing they wanted to do but without any joy in it

[west slate]

eldar all seem pretty gloomy

[slow pilot]

tau are dirty commies

[grand flare]

Commies. With caste system. Su-u-ure.

[wicked tree]

It's okay crazy, Minka is american, they don't know anything

[oblique ember]

This looks like it will flop.

Really ridiculous ideas here.

[tall phoenix]

Bolt Guns

[oblique ember]

Bolt gun = bolter

[grand flare]

So they are recoilless after all...

[leaden dagger]

we will call it

Warhammer

3000

[jaunty stratus]

So how come they dislocated shoulders and whatnot? Did the mini roll a critical failure?

[gusty current]

rolled a 1 :(

[slow pilot]

My hard cover ghosts books came

[tacit raft]

thats massive, looks very good

a shame my wife used Ravenor Omnibus to fix bike wheel, and ruined the book

[slow pilot]

gana need to move onto the next shelf

[oblique ember]

Cool collection. Those limited edition books are so hard to get.

[slow pilot]

You just need to look up when they will be realesed

[oblique ember]

The other hard part is determining the book will actually be good.

40k has a lot of pretty bad books.

[slow pilot]

im easy to please or i have just gotten lucky

any1 know when the new dawn of fire collectors edition will go up for sale

[wicked tree]

Who knows tbh, maybe next month

[slow pilot]

are there any books with nurgle in it?

[forest spruce]

Dark imperium is vs nurgle forces and we get some chapters from choas perspective

[slow pilot]

im reading that now ty for spoiler

[forest spruce]

How is that a spoiler

That gives you literally zero information

[drowsy urchin]

The Death Guard are literally in the cover art

[slow pilot]

I meant I didn't want to know you hear from there perspective

[drowsy urchin]

okay sure, but it isn't really surprising to have one in the series that pretty much is piggybacking on the 8th edition launch box set with both sides represented

[tacit raft]

I guess this happened to me some weeks ago. When "Lion son of the forest" released, i got so mad when dude spoiled it.

Random dude from reddit

Anyway i was so impressed and satisfied with the story

[drowsy urchin]

it's quite great

I hope it'll be continued in some way soon

[tacit raft]

Yeah, my thoughts exactly

[slow pilot]

I don't know what that means

I don't have friends to play warhammer with

[drowsy urchin]

I mean that the Dark Imperium is the boxset 8th edition launched with and it was accompanied with a novel series that was also called Dark Imperium

and that boxset had Space Marines versus Death Guard

[drowsy urchin]

ye that's a good one, really liked the Dark Imperium nurgle stuff as well

[tall phoenix]

yeah its all really good

minus the warband's fucking call of duty clan sigil

[drowsy urchin]

oh I've not really even seen that properly before

nor do I know cod icons

[tall phoenix]

yeah its in the cover on the left dude

[drowsy urchin]

yee, I used Audible to listen that one so the image was pretty small

[oak pollen]

tbh that does go hard

[jaunty stratus]

sons of the phoenix and celestial lions iconography or cod blops 4?

[tall phoenix]

Lmao god damn it

[digital saffron]

No that's not CoD, that's Chivalry

[jaunty stratus]

[hearty niche]

What are some good audible books to get started with?

[shrewd silo]

Currently listing to king maker.
It's assassins and knights (1 man titans)
Warboss was also a lot of fun it's just orks been orks.

[proven spoke]

Eisenhorn

Xenos -> Malleus -> Hereticus -> Magos

[shrewd silo]

Also just so you know eisenhorn is part of the inquisitor series so magos is not really book 4 it's book 7

[proven spoke]

Yup

But I didn't wanna give you a how-to-listen-list for the inquisitor series cause thats a bit daunting

If you like Eisenhorn, you'll end up checking out Ravenor and Bequin

[grand flare]

Ciaphas Cain is said to be good. Though pricey.

[jaunty stratus]

ye, magos is kind of a wildcard, works also pretty good right after hereticus

[graceful osprey]

Forges of Mars is a really fun self-contained trilogy with an ensemble cast

it's about an explorator fleet searching for lost archaeotech so its worth a read/listen even if you're not that into tech priests

the inquisitor and ciaphas cain books are popular starting points as others mentioned so tossing out an alternative for more options

[magic sable]

Forges of Mars is really good and should be recommended more often imo

Idk how great of an introductory series it is though

[hearty niche]

Where do you start with Lion Eljonson? I saw that new book out and it looks interesting but didnt want to get ahead of myself

btw added all these to my library to get started thanks for great suggestions

Im currently listening to The Devastation of Baal

[drowsy urchin]

If you only care for 40k and not the heresy it's perfectly fine to start with

[weak terrace]

so i learned a week ago that the older horus heresy books are insanelly expensive now

ranging from 40$ to 150$ for a book

spent 120$ on 3 books 😭

[hearty niche]

So to understand Lion youve gotta go back to 30k horus heresy books

?

[tall phoenix]

Not really

literally just read his wiki

you arent missing anything

[wicked tree]

True

Like many of his brothers who believe themselves governed solely by reason and logic. Immense pride and a god like ego plays a big factor on his decisions.

He spent a good chunk of the heresy fighting the elusive night lords, helped the BAs get to Terra and burned worlds with a traitor presence heedless of friendly casualties, whilst keeping his business private of course.

[shrewd silo]

Honestly I really didn't enjoy the the 2 HH lion books.
They just were not as good as the first 5 books.

[magic sable]

The Dark Angels 30k books are pretty meh

[tall phoenix]

Yeah all of them are universally panned i think

mostly due to being flat out boring

[magic sable]

And honestly the 40k ones aren’t a whole lot better. I’m really glad that Son of the Forest is laying the groundwork to bring the DA forward, because they’re so one dimensional about The Fallen that it’s gotten tired and boring.

[shrewd silo]

It was kinda funny I listened to son of the forest thought it was ok enough.
Then I listened to warboss and that was a ton of fun.
Then gotrek and felix giant slayer that was just ok and orc slayer that was great.
Dark angel books compared to other in warhammer are really boring.

[magic sable]

I read not listened to Son of the Forest so that might be the difference. Might just be how my brain processes but certain books/authors I have to read not do the audiobook

Like Dan Abnett and Peter Feheravi I absolutely have to read and not listen to the audiobook because of their writing style

ADB on the other hand I can listen to his audiobooks (other than Cadian Blood which is the only time I’ve returned an Audible book lol)

[drowsy urchin]

I thought the narrator for Son of the Forest was brilliant, really ascended the experience for me

And Abentt books read by Toby Longworth are 5/5 for me

[brittle tapir]

12$ on amazon for me

pretty sure they're even cheaper than when i bought them

[weak terrace]

some are cheap, but some of them are insanelly expensive, a lot of the older ones are no longer in print, so can only find them used or third party

[drowsy urchin]

GW/Black Library do reprints of the older novels every now and then, so if you're not in a hurry to get those you'll most likely have a chance to get them cheap again some time in the future

[jaunty stratus]

The only thing you'll miss after reading the DA books of the HH series is your lifetime tbh. They were interesting in a "scientific observer" sense at best and pretty dull. I was wondering, why so many people like the dark angels, after reading the books. Iron hands were way more interesting than them and they straight up get some side stories or sidekick roles from the get go

[silver pike]

Whats that really good book about the Necrons called again?

I can't for the life of me remember it, but it's widely considered one of the best books written so far for the 40K universe.

[drowsy urchin]

Either The Infinite and The Divine or The Twice Dead King 1&2

[jaunty stratus]

I believe, you wanted to post them in the 40k minis and armies section, not book club. But nice dusty bois, look like fresh from calth

[slow pilot]

who is the best warhammer author and why is it guy haley

[wicked tree]

Auto correct did you dirty, it misspelt Chris Wraight

[sharp oar]

Big brain time

[iron ore]

dan abnett or ADB, Guy Haley is like the Michael Bay of warhammer books, entertaining but anything more than big combat scenes and it falls apart

[slow pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-opinion-opinion-gif-22134945

dan abnett is overated

he spends too much time describing things

spent half a chapter describing a fucking bar

[iron ore]

based context for the reader

He does do bombastic descriptions

but I always thought it played into the scope he was trying to capture

they trusted him w a shitton of world building in horus rising

I can see the argument for ADB being better

[slow pilot]

all my favorite characters were written by guy haley

[iron ore]

I enjoy his books

I enjoyed the dark imperium trilogy

[slow pilot]

his dawn of fire books are the only good ones

[iron ore]

Oh I've heard those are terrible

[slow pilot]

wolftime was so bad

the 2 he wrote were great

the one after i think it was called gate of bones was ok but i am not sure who wrote it

google says andy clark

[iron ore]

I just saw them getting dragged on goodreads and it turned me away

I enjoy guy haley tho great action writer

titandeath is a pretty good one

[slow pilot]

if you do read them you should just read 1, 2 and 4

the others are filler

especialy wolftime with the space furrys space wolves

cant understand a single thing they say

[iron ore]

I'll check the first one out

I've read about 10 books this month so trying to make a dent in the 40k lore pile

[slow pilot]

avenging son, gate of bone and throne of light

the new one coming out has teh death guard it according to the cover so im excited for that

[iron ore]

The Lion: Son of the Forest was pretty good

[slow pilot]

is that a dark templar?

[iron ore]

that is a black templar

[slow pilot]

thats what i meant

love the death guard

im reading dark imperium right now

[iron ore]

dark imperium is alright

[slow pilot]

cadian blood was good to

[iron ore]

plague wars is ok-good

godblight is good

[slow pilot]

im on the first one and i love it

[iron ore]

I enjoyed the trilogy

Liked that it had some old characters referenced or directly in it like Uriel Ventris and Cato Sicarius

[slow pilot]

it has a lot of references to his dawn of fire characters

and events from it

new dawn of fire book with have a rouge trader

not enough of them in books

[rose abyss]

it's bill king because bill king's work is always fun to read.

[meager trench]

Martyr's Tomb should be good as it's something of a sequel to Void King, which was pretty good

[jaunty stratus]

What exactly is dawn of fire? Is it like horus heresy a compendium of different loosely connected story's around the era indomitus or something different?

[graceful osprey]

dawn of fire is an ongoing series set during the early years of the Indomitus Crusade right after Guilliman wakes up and has to sort out Imperium Sanctus (the half that's on Terra's side of the Great Rift)

it jumps to different POV characters kind of like the Horus Heresy. Guilliman features heavily in the first book and makes cameos in the others but a lot of it centers around Indomitus Fleet Tertius and the White Consuls space marine Captain Vitrian Messinius who commands it but also an inquisitor named Rostov

[oblique ember]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/31/witness-the-fall-of-cadia-with-a-bonanza-of-astra-militarum-releases-from-black-library/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=black-library&utm_content=bl31052023

[drowsy urchin]

Hell yeah Robert Rath

[magic sable]

Yo that Tanith banner is sick

[oblique ember]

These newer authors are knocking it out of the park. Infinite and the Divine was great.

[meager trench]

Wow finally the fall of cadia will be written about

And no Minka lesk's first novel doesn't count lmao

[tall phoenix]

But

Cadia Stands literally fucking explains the fall of cadia

what is this marketing

[oak pollen]

10/10 as it exploits the community's addiction to copium

[slow pilot]

anyone know when the collocters edition of the new dawn of fire book will go on sale for pre order

[iron ore]

steel tread was a good book

nice little 300 pager that doesn't pretend to be anything other than guardsmen in a tank being badass in a warzone

[meager trench]

They're conceding that cadia stands is a terrible novel and are getting a good author to write about the event now

[oblique ember]

Pls write a sequel to outgunned, denny flowers

I like the portrayal of hubris against Orks.

[oak pollen]

oh i love these

[jaunty stratus]

Do we get "cadia sands" texture paint as a marketing move though?

[random marlin]

That was the first novel I read when I wanted to get back in 40k. It was so "lasgun porn-only" that I almost dropped out of it again.

In the author's defense, I have the feeling he may have been under surveillance when writing it as he wasn't 's an established author afaik and it was probably asked of him to focus on the "bigger events". Unfortunately the result is big battles one after the other and almost no character development.

There were a few scenes I enjoyed though, ||Minka as a child being shown the Eye of Terror, explaining why the Cadians have purple eyes, and the scene where a ship is invaded by Chaos directly and the crew fuses with each other and the ship, which isn't an enviable fate||.

[chrome flame]

What are the must reads of the horus heresy books? I made it through the first 7 or so (last one I read was the one about the alpha legion) and there was some wild vacillation in quality. Not sure I'll have the time to invest in reading every single one, and since I have to buy them to read them I'd like to avoid any obvious duds

[proven spoke]

depends on what faction/event interests you, its hard for me to say without being given specifics, but I used this way back when https://www.kylebb.com/HH/HHSeriesOrder.jpeg

[versed kettle]

It scares me

Did most of the Warhammer fans read all of it?

[proven spoke]

....I can't say if most did but those of us who've been in it for many years have probably read a large chunk out of that chart.

[drowsy urchin]

I went through all of that in two years

[proven spoke]

I can tell you that I skipped all of the salamanders books as well as certain books like anthologies or books that didn't catch my interest

[drowsy urchin]

discounting most of the novella collections and two novels

audiobooks whilst painting is great

[slow pilot]

should i read belisarius crawl before dark imperium

[tall phoenix]

its mostly unrelated and a very fun book

shows Cawl in a good light too

hes much more like Doc Brown

https://tenor.com/view/doc-and-marty-gif-21977925

[digital saffron]

He's the nutjob nice grandpa with memory issues and has a manservant called Alpha Primus following him everywhere who's just done with it all

[tall phoenix]

^

like i said suprisingly based book

[digital saffron]

Also nice primaris content as well

And Scythes of the Emperor lore

[jaunty stratus]

So 40k rick and morty? Damn, rick and morty inspired so much, like back to the future for example

[magic sable]

Man I love Alpha Primus

Hope we get more of him

[slow pilot]

There is a character in the description of the book named Felix who just showed up in dark imperium

[slow pilot]

Alpha showed up for a short time in avenging son

[digital saffron]

Yeah, it's him tagging along with Cawl since he's a Tetrarch now and Cawl is running around in his territory

[meager trench]

The novel takes place after godblight, though the only link really is Felix

[cobalt dagger]

I can't wait for The End and the Death vol 2. Anyone hear of a release date? I've read all the books in the series except Deliverance and Furious Abyss.

[shrewd silo]

Finishes assassinorum kingmaker.
It's a great book even ends in a ||not grim dark way||

[true flare]

Im happy

[forest spruce]

Did you get the whole trilogy or just the first book

[true flare]

Trilogy

[forest spruce]

Yassss

[simple plover]

Does anyone have Penitent from Dan Abnett in german (called "Büsser" in ger.) and is willing to sell it?

[magic sable]

Love that book. Robert Rath is a gem, excited to read his Fall of Cadia book that was announced.

[magic sable]

No hard release date, but probably Q4 of this year. Dan has already written the book.

Did anyone read the stories from the e-short subscription? I’m through three of them, and while none of them are groundbreaking, getting stories from two POVs that we don’t normally get was pretty fun.

Namely, a Kroot kinband and an operative of the Logos Historica Verita

[slow pilot]

Also just got it

[true flare]

My man

https://tenor.com/view/ledance-james-gif-24266964

[slow pilot]

Came a few days ago. I'm half way through the first book.

[true flare]

ohhhh

tell me when you finish the first book

for the reviews

[slow pilot]

I love it so far but I'm a guy Haley fan so I'm probably bias

[true flare]

i see

for me its my first Haley book

[drowsy urchin]

Pretty good sales on Audible for the next 5 days, including pretty much all Warhammer books there

[drowsy urchin]

yeah we're gaming

[true flare]

Damn

I beed that for Sepulturum

Need

[magic sable]

Watcher in the Rain is fantastic

[drowsy urchin]

So I've heard!

[magic sable]

Where can I view these sales? On my audible mobile app I can only buy credits

[drowsy urchin]

check the website, I bought these straight from there

but I did see the sales on the app as well, got notified by it as well

[slow pilot]

loved the way out even if its ending was predictable

[full phoenix]

the watcher in the rain was really good

[slow pilot]

Does anyone know when the pre-order for the new dawn of fire collectors edition will be up

[oblique ember]

Robert ruth hosts the extra history YouTube channel

Make sense I guess

[random marlin]

Felt exactly the same way. It was kind of a haunted house story, I always knew how it was going to finish, but going to the predictable ending was still enjoyable. Just a solid, classic horror story.

[slow pilot]

[iron ore]

there a release date on these new guard books yet? I heard august

I gotta slap them on the kindle

[slow pilot]

august 15th

i cant read off a kindle i need to hold a book

[iron ore]

I was the same way but I was spending hundreds of dollars on horus heresy books

[slow pilot]

im a collector

[iron ore]

Ya me too but I didn't feel like spending 200 bucks for a book I had as a kid

[slow pilot]

@iron ore

[random marlin]

I read the short story by this author which follows the same main character, I found it enjoyable, so I'm looking forward to this one too.

[oblique ember]

Cain looking sharp here

Did he always have sideburns like that?

Give Jurgen something normal pls.

[tall phoenix]

Yeah he has since his modern update

[oak pollen]

chad level sideburns

[oak pollen]

he has the badass ice warrior hat

[hearty niche]

I support his ice warrior hat

[magic sable]

Artist did a good job of making Jurgen look like he smells bad

[fickle falcon]

Are there any plans to expand on the book club (archive) with the Ravenor and Bequin books? Or are any other novels/books on the planning? Waiting for the third Bequin book, and on the new Warhammer Quest 40k which could come with some sweet lore like Blackstone Fortress did (Blackstone Fortress Ascension and Vaults of Obsidian have wonderful content)

[tall phoenix]

We unfortunately dont know since Aqshy who was running the book club got transferred to Vermintide so pretty much everythings been on ice since then.

So now people just use this channel to talk about any 40k book

[fickle falcon]

Cheers

Got the Night Lords books on audible recently when they were on sale, so far it's rather good (I'm not a big marine fan but heard these were really nice). Da Gobbo's Revenge and Demise are up next, might pause Night Lords for da gobbo

[tall phoenix]

The Night Lords series is pretty much singlehandedly responsible for bringing the Legion itself out of obscurity but yeah prob wrap up Red Gobbo first then continue with the series

[fickle falcon]

Do you have a favourite book or series you'd recommend? I've read and listened to a mix of old and new novels/books. Using audible since a year or 2 prior to that only physical books (and a few from youtube)

[tall phoenix]

id definitely recommend Infinite & the Divine if you are looking for something different from usual imperial stuff as a necron book

well that and everyone i hear praises its audible format so

Also probably these

[fickle falcon]

Thanks, did read The Great Work halfway and got it and Infinite and the Divine on audible. Not sure why but initially lost interest in the Cawl book even tho one of my armies is admech. Finished it on audible. Haven't read Blood Lines or Day of Ascension yet

[tall phoenix]

They are all very different flavors so entirely down to what you are looking for

[fickle falcon]

Not sure, I enjoy various faction series and books. Do love funky throwback niches (for that reason loved BSF Ascension), Some of the greenskin ones were entertaining 2

[fickle falcon]

I've put Day of Ascension on my audible wishlist, hope it ends up on sale (as audible usually charges the same price for short and long novels), or might be able to get it as a second hand softback/hardback. GSC perspective sounds interesting

[tall phoenix]

GSC already only got like 2 books so thankfully its actually very good lol

[fickle falcon]

So far I've only read about them a few times when they show up as the baddies

I have a few GSC models but mainly rogue trader and perhaps 2nd edition models + a few nids from rt to 3rd to spice up my squats and greenskins

[tall phoenix]

Oh damn those are oldies

Day of Ascension though is genuinely great as a sole cult focused book, it came out very recently but id go so far as to say its underrated lol

us xenos fans gotta make by with anything we got

[fickle falcon]

hehe

[forest spruce]

Im listening to the twice dead king

Didnt know i needed to listen to a necron argue with himself, but i definitely need more of it

[fickle falcon]

I enjoyed them arguing each other in the Infinite and the Divine but haven't been tempted in to read/listen another one yet. It's on my wishlist but might take a few months before I get to it

[meager trench]

The Great Work isn't really an admech novel, it's a a scythes of the emperor/cawl novel

[proven spoke]

Finished reading "the end and the death part 1", was a real joy, can't wait for part 2

[wicked tree]

Huh, I'm finding it to be a slog and get through

[jaunty stratus]

but there is a whole book dedicated and named "xenos", also the tyranid storys called "gaunt ghosts"

[tall phoenix]

God damn it

[frigid osprey]

Have you read Titanicus? It's one of the best for fleshing out AdMech before they were an army, and it's really really good throughout. And it's about Titans so obviously it pwns

[fickle falcon]

I don't think I have, might have it as paperback, bought a load of 2nd hand paperbacks over the years forming a sort of pile of shame hehe.

I thought admech had an army since late rogue trader and second edition (altho it was only 2 or 4 pages big in the codex imperialis like how arbites had a small roster). I have some rogue trader admech models 2 (like the squat tech-priest and servitor) but I think back then they were supporting imperial armies.

Admech (or rather cult mechanicus) around 1993 ;) might be older and republished in this codex imperialis. The Electro Priests only had 2 or 3 unreleased sculpts.

I think some of my tech-priests say 1987 on the model tag

[fickle falcon]

Just checked but I sadly don't have Titanicus. Did find mechanicum and 2 priests/lords of mars books. Titanicus is from 2008 by Dan Abnett right?

[frigid osprey]

yeah, Dan Abnett

well if you do find it, it's really recommended!!!

i think its on audible too actually

[fickle falcon]

Cheers, I'll add it to the wishlist and saved searches on ebay

Still hoping we get some Squat novels in the coming years. Mostly hoping for necromunda and old style squat ones, not a big fan of the LoV. Only found snippits of lore and short stories in old white dwarfs/citadel journals and other publications

[frigid osprey]

a necromunda squat novel would absolutely rock. i do know that gav thorpe is working on a leagues of votann one, but with oldschool-style squats being back on necromunda too i hope there'll be something for them

[fickle falcon]

Hmm do like some of Gavs work. Might actually try the LoV one. Devoted most of my collection to old school squats (multiple armies and a huge gang). Trying to build them in multiple flavours based on the old models (admech squats, space pirates, bikers and chaos squats, no plan for Brotherhood models yet)

[fickle falcon]

Need to hide mine so the cat doesn't wreck them. Mainly worried about the 2 limited edition series (Bequin and Blackstone Fortress)

[pseudo gazelle]

where do you buy such nice hardcovers

[slow pilot]

they are limited timed stuff you need to track when they come out. most of the time they are sold out right away.

[pseudo gazelle]

Sad

Ty for the info though

[meager trench]

stay awake until 6 am, get it off the bl store when the order page goes live, profit

• every scalper ever

[nova flume]

Is the caiphas Cain series worth reading?

[tall phoenix]

Yes but with breaks

every book is good but also is literally the same shit

it has that thing where its very repetitive formula wise but fun to read writing wise

[pseudo gazelle]

i just started with gaunts ghosts

idk where to next

[nova flume]

Ah gotcha. To me that’s like every Warhammer book so I’m looking forward to it

[tall phoenix]

Yeah its a fun series still

theres a new one coming out too

[nova flume]

[orchid herald]

Sadly at a unknown date...
Im intersted in shadow of the eight and whiteshield. Also long shot would be good.

[fickle falcon]

There are some facebook groups that sell the regular hardcovers and limited/special/collectors editions below ebay prices. Sadly they sell out at GW quick and end up on ebay for ridiculous prices

Some editions are really nice, these are probbly my favourites (had to pay a premium for the first one, got second for a bargain to balance it out). It's Janus Drain on the covers (Blackstone Fortress and Ascension)

[pseudo gazelle]

man those are pretty

[fickle falcon]

The photo doesn't do it justice, looks better with proper lighting. A mix of dull and shiney coloured (possibly fake) leather

[fickle falcon]

I have 2 of Abnetts Bequin (Eisenhorn, Ravenor en Bequin series) in a similar edition 2. They come numbered with an autograph from the author

Missed the chance to get the limited edition of Ravenor, they went up in price a lot sadly, Eisenhorn never came with a proper limited edition except for The Magos, they did do a few special editions over the years

For that reason I'd advice anyone to get a first printing copy of the Eisenhorn series as paperback, I think they printed a lot, seen good condition novels sell for a few euro/gbp. They might go up in price if the series ever hits

[loud helm]

i wanna get the special edition of the new Lion El Jonson book

but I cant find it they teased it

I even pm'd the author on twitter

and he said he had no idea

[fickle falcon]

Only see one on ebay but the seller asks 399,99 + shipping and possible import charges

You could try the black library nutters facebook group,

[loud helm]

https://youtu.be/ijcCK9YMgDQ?t=123

its really pretty

[iron ore]

I just finished the trilogy and the keeler image, is the magos worth reading?

I heard mixed things

[fickle falcon]

I enjoyed it but only have that one on audible hehe

came with all the short stories

Some people say you want to read ravenor and bequin first but the order doesn't matter too much

[iron ore]

My only gripe with the books is abnett will have the best shit you’ve ever read and do the ending in four pages

[fickle falcon]

hehe

The bquin ones as limited edition, I have those 2 but haven't made a proper pic yet

[fickle falcon]

I guess in bequin they mainly build up and leave the ending/finale for the third book

[tall phoenix]

Yeah the other book is underway

its more that Abnett is fucking BUSY AS SHIT

[slow pilot]

Eisenhorn

and if you like zombies try cadian blood or dark imperium

[fickle falcon]

From what perspective do you like the stories?

[fickle falcon]

I hope this time I can actually get the limited edition of book 3 directly from GW, afraid it will be sold out in minutes like last times

[tall phoenix]

ıts hard to tell because the space between the Penitent book and the first one has been like a few years?

Holy shit 2012 are you kidding me

[fickle falcon]

Hehe yeah makes me wonder when we see part 3

[tall phoenix]

By the time im in a old folks home probably

[fickle falcon]

Hehe

[tall phoenix]

[fickle falcon]

You've read them 2 right?

[tall phoenix]

Yeah when they both first came out, I got into 40k in the early 2000's during what people might describe as its "golden age" content wise i think

[fickle falcon]

I started bequin only a few years ago so I didn't have to wait since 2012

[tall phoenix]

Yeah exactly, you were the lucky one

Most people back then assumed Abnett was just never gonna continue it

[fickle falcon]

I started the hobby somewhere in 1995 but took a small break when in college/university

Ye can't blame him, he's doing a lot lately

[tall phoenix]

Yeah we dont even know what he does during his off-time with GW since hes a comic guy.

Lately tho yeah hes been super busy with Siege

[fickle falcon]

Hmm ye noticed he works for other franchises/universes 2

[tall phoenix]

[fickle falcon]

He should prioritize bequin rly as I think Eisenhorn series is one of his more iconic works

But maybe other events in 40k need to happen before it's all in line with possible events from the third bequin novel

[tall phoenix]

Yeah as far as I can remember his "main" 40k works atm are literally just Eisenhorn, Gaunt's Ghosts and Siege

the fact that they all take place in the past doesn't help either

[fickle falcon]

Yeah

Is there any new rumours on a new 40k warhammer quest? Wonder if we see that Blackstone Fortress anywhere soon and to who it allies

[tall phoenix]

Blackstone Fortress is more or less done i think

i entirely got it for the books it got and that cliffhanger still hurts me

But for the game itself it was really just a testing bed on how people would react to small "faction" armies/minis i think which is what Kill-Team is currently going with atm

[digital saffron]

And war cry, and the 5 other tiny mini games

Which I am ever grateful for

[fickle falcon]

Gotta love the alcoholic jokaero

Would hope the fortress or at least precipice shows up somewhere again

I bet the Tinkerer and his crew are fine

I guess the ascended characters are too ovverpowered now

[tall phoenix]

Yeah they are literally just Dr Manhattans at that point

and the Fortress was last noted heading for Segmentum Solar

im sure they will pick up that plot point at some point

[digital saffron]

[fickle falcon]

I hope it does, did you finish the game? Some funky twist in the end. Love the snippits of lore linked to the expansions

The Jokaero trade operation sounds wonderful, their medical bay is sweet 2 (seems they can cure nurgle afflictions)

Loved when the apes go on strike

[tall phoenix]

Actually i havent, like i said i only read the books

Blackstone Fortress is definitely one of the most underrated 40k sub-settings

[drowsy urchin]

This was around the time they started out with the heresy series so that probably caused the delays

[tall phoenix]

Yeah deffo

Abnett carried the series on his back half the time

[drowsy urchin]

Quite

[digital saffron]

The Infamous sanguinius hair incident

[jaunty stratus]

Question is, will we get the new GoT book before or after the third Bequin book?

[jaunty stratus]

iirc, Leman had a color change too

[digital saffron]

The question is, will we get a new GoT book?

[jaunty stratus]

Will we get the last Bequin book?!?!?

[fickle falcon]

Wasn't the GoT doing a load of projects with some only like 1 or 2 pages a year?

[digital saffron]

We'll probably get more Bequin books since Dan isn't basically on his deathbed lmao

[fickle falcon]

I'm sure we get the Bequin one eventually but they might need a few years to get all plots from other storylines/events to line up before they release it. No clue if Abnett already started it

[fickle falcon]

Hehe ye

[pseudo gazelle]

I heard eisenhorn is a must read so i was considering it

theres 4 books in the series right? or is there an omnibus with all of them in one?

[pseudo gazelle]

i like the guard a lot so I'm starting there but I eventually want to branch out from the guard

im very new just finished First and Only a few days ago and im beginning Ghostmaker

[slow pilot]

You don't have to read the 4th one and there is a omnibus

[fickle falcon]

I wondered about Gaunt's order as I haven't read all of them. I know the Cain books are not in chronological order

[pseudo gazelle]

sounds good ill add it to my collection

[slow pilot]

i havent read it yet but there is a cyberpunk spy novel with assassinorium called kingmaker and i heard its really good

[tall phoenix]

Its REALLY good

Highly recommend

[slow pilot]

https://www.amazon.com/Assassinorum-Kingmaker-Warhammer-40-000/dp/1800262701

[slow pilot]

its on my list after dark imperium

[tall phoenix]

🙏

Its also very much a fun novel