40k-book-club

[sage gale]

it would have been better if any of the characters actually mettered, and werent just kille doff, left to rot, or forgotten about

and if it like, idk

[quiet yew]

Well, there was Bjorn I guess

[sage gale]

ACTUALLY FEATURED THE BRUNING OF PROSPERO FOR MORE THAN HALF A CHAPTER

[swift beacon]

i cannot remove those images from my head. Spoilers: ||Wtf was Slaneesh thinking during that play.||

[sage gale]

i was more concerned by ||fulgrim talking to the demon in the "bodily fluids" portrait of himself, and thinking it perfectly normal||

mega hype

[swift beacon]

I can’t believe that was in the book

[sage gale]

Yeah it was a good read

but even after reading about nurgle corruption and the tempestus est

its the first warhammer book in a while i've had to put down and go

what the actual fuck

[swift beacon]

i genuinely remember some scenes in the book, I actually wondered how tf they’re okay with this

[sage gale]

yeah

the use of 'orgie' in that book was a little to liberal for my tastes

[quiet yew]

Magnus looked pretty baller in the Council of Nikea

[sage gale]

still is in the wrong tho

[peak quarry]

naw stupid is a wrong of its own but it doesn't make one wrong by incidentally.

[sage gale]

he had one job, and it was to do litteraly nothing, and jerk himself off on prospero, and yet somehow he fucked that up

my man is very much so in the wrong lmao

[thorn bison]

Literally discovers that the biggest fucky-wucky in human history is about to go down and decides to do something about it
“He is still the only person in the wrong though”

Sure, he was stupid for fucking up the Webway project but at least he tried to do the smart thing which is something literally no one else did at that time

[devout talon]

what books are good to start out with

also are there any websites to read them on or will i need to buy them

[sage gale]

@devout talon you can buy them from the games workshop atore, and I would recomend to you what i recomend to everyone new to books, get eisenhorn xenos, excellent intro to 40k

[woeful lagoon]

You can also listen to a lot of them on audible with a free trial if you are into Audio books, I rather read them personally, but some are hard to find

[devout talon]

sounds good thx

i prefer reading as well

[graceful osprey]

eisenhorn is a good recommendation, there is also a link in the first pinned message of this channel to a list of more beginner friendly books and recommendations sorted by faction

[nova field]

im so lucky

ive been looking for this omnibus for ages but they are all ludicrously expensive since they don't print anymore

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/468536145983176715/1070734773410074705/PXL_20230202_155745864.MP.jpg

swiped it for £25 on amazon, currently i can only find £200+ pieces on sale online

[devout talon]

ill check that out thx

[spiral panther]

if you like robot golorman i recommend Dark Imperium, Plague Wars and Godblight

essentially G Man vs Mortarion

sick af

also gives insight to his character

roboute guilliman is not a slave to impulse

[lilac prairie]

Enjoying the founding atm

[umbral storm]

is it a good idea for a beginner, who only knows wh40k lore from video games and wikis, to start wh40k books with the Horus Heresy series (from book 1)?

[random marlin]

Started reading the ebook Shorts dedicated to the Astra Militarum last week with :

1. The Sum of Its Parts by rhuairidh james
   https://www.blacklibrary.com/new-titles/featured/eshort-the-sum-of-its-parts-eng-2023.html

This short story follows the "life" of a Leman Russ, from the day it has been completed in a forge-fan to its various crews, to its end. It's a simple but very efficient idea which is brilliantly executed by the author. I feared the short story could get repetitive but the author has a lot of original and interesting ideas, which usually put the spotlight on the absurdity and horrors of the 40k universe.

Off to a good start with this one!

[glass lintel]

Depends on your opinion on the Star Wars prequels.

HH books are very strictly scripted, and usually mean that you're seeing Marines and Primarchs at their least interesting moments for the majority of the series, with such classics as Khârn the Betrayer before they were The Betrayer, Horus but you realize the Heresy started because they hated taxes, and This guy is fun! I can't wait to read about what they do in 40k. I wonder why there aren't any models or other mentions of them past the HH series?

[shrewd silo]

You want a more light hearted story kinda like die hard you start with ciaphas cain or a more 90s action war movie guants ghosts.

If you want space marines been extra dramatic you start with HH.
Even if lokin is great

If you want chaos warbands nightlords is great

[candid cypress]

Worth the $4?

[random marlin]

I took the bundle of short stories so it was a bit cheaper.

For me, it definitely was, but it will depend of your taste. If you enjoy only heroic stories with overpowered heroes like Gaunt's Ghosts (which sure are entertaining), I'm not sure you'll like it. If you enjoy darker, grittier stories like Fifteen Hours, Fire Caste or Dead Men Walking, you'll probably enjoy it. The story emphasizes the absurdity of the cogs of the Imperium, but there are still touching moments of humanity. Can't say much without spoiling it (although I'd really like to discuss some of the short story moments!), so I'll stop there. 🙂

[dense shore]

can any of you recomend some sororitas books please

[graceful osprey]

Mark of Faith by Rachel Harrison and Requiem Infernal by Peter Fehervari

also the Triumph of Saint Katherine by Danie Ware

I didn't love Celestine: the Living Saint but might be worth it if you're interested in the character

[heavy juniper]

the 'sisters of battle omnibus' by james swallow is nice, and a lot of the sister augusta novellas/short stories by danie ware was collected recently in 'the rose at war'

[sage gale]

the our martyred lady audiodrama was good

[heavy juniper]

oh yeah the gav thorpe thing, have forgotten to get to that

[sage gale]

the custodian in it is based as hell

[thorn bison]

There's also The Book of Martyrs which I quite enjoyed

[dense shore]

okey thanks

[iron topaz]

Just finished Malleus. Was a fun trip.

[frank mirage]

Am currently reading the book of martyrs while I am only 3 chapters in I must say it's quite the nice read so far

[thorn bison]

I really enjoyed all three of them, they're very classic Sisters stories, if you get what I mean

[spiral panther]

As ME said, Ciaphas Cain and Gaunts Ghost do a really good job to let you in on the Lore overall, how the impguard works and what sort of enemies the imperium faces. HH is hard to get into, especially cause its bloated. I recommend reading into the stuff that interests you and then picking out the follow ups

Maybe read the first three HH books, Horus Rising, False Gods and Galaxy in flames, as they show what made Horus turn in the first place, from there read into legion books that interested you particularly and skip the rest, as lots of it is plain out boring ngl

From there go to Siege of Terra, last two SoT books will be full on wild, you'll have the gist of HH lore in by then and know most of the important characters better than your own family members.

You could then jump ahead into M41, maybe follow G-Mans revenge, maybe Dantes journey, even read into the necrons, up to you

[umbral orchid]

just wanted to throw my 2 cents that Eisenhorn is the best 40k series

it was my first 40k audiobook and totally got me hooked

after listening to about 38 other titles, the Eisenhorn/Ravenor ones are still my favorite

[glass lintel]

What about Eisenhorn really stands-out the most to you, and do you feel that it's a story that could only exist in 40k?

[west plaza]

ahriman in the back recovering from being blasted full of all known knowledge of the universe

after magnus fuckin got pissed off and just litteraly poured it into him

[umbral orchid]

hmm, I do kinda feel like it could be in another setting, at its core (especially into ravenor) its about a crew going around to different places, solving mysteries

but the idea of an inquisitor who has absolute authority, lends itself perfectly to that

also i just love eisenhorns savant aemos

[quiet yew]

Pre-heresy thousand sons had a really cool looking aesthetic

[west plaza]

i still paint em like that

ruby red and white gold and blue

[quiet yew]

Quite based

[slow pilot]

based deez nuts lmao gottem

[quiet yew]

bro lmao ong fr fr bussin 💀 💀 💀

[burnt ridge]

I am progressing through the Wolf Time, the book where the Space Wolves and the Indomitus Crusade finally reconnect. The Primaris Space wolf meeting and talking with a proper space wolf is hilarious, it's like a weeb gone to japan who's only knowledge of the country is anime

[thorn bison]

I got the same impression and it's lovely, especially since the Primaris marines have all been trained in the same way instead of in their respective chapters' ways

[timid cove]

<@&1016281173720309760> Hello, sorry for the delay here! For those who participated in #1047432215589552138, compensatory rewards should be going out tomorrow!

Gift cards should be going out Friday. Seems Black Library vouchers fell through, so I will be distributing Amazon gift cards equal to the value of the audio book of the Infinite and the Divine. The exclusive in-game reward should hit your accounts late February.

That said, due to the struggle of getting vouchers, we'll be discontinuing vouchers from this point forward and I am working with Catfish on rebooting this in a format that can accommodate more people and how else we can compensate. If you have ideas, stick them in the replies to this message. 🙂 In the meantime, we'll still be collecting streak points for more in-game rewards, so we'll be setting up another discussion for mid-March.

Again, apologies for the delay, but we should be back on track now.

[remote merlin]

What are some good xenos books? I'm listening to The Infinite and the Divine again 'cus it's great.

[cosmic stump]

The Twice-Dead King

[remote merlin]

Listneing to that one as well, though it's not as good as I&D

Brutal Kunnin' was fun

Shadowbreaker was great

[cosmic stump]

Half of the *Gothic War: Shadow Point * is about the Eldar

it provided a rare angle of how the Eldar saw the Imperium

[rotund junco]

The path of the xxx eldar books where kinda cool

The drukhari ones where the best imho

[half coral]

Heresy! Reported to the Inquisition

[hearty niche]

Hai Aqshy

[remote merlin]

I'm gonna lay this on you: Saying "Heresy" to everything is extremely worn out.

[rotund junco]

As for ideas on getting the books, what country do u need those to be legal in....
Just kidding of course, unless.....

[half coral]

Just what an heretic would say

[lavish thorn]

I wonder why Games Workshop / Black Library seems to have so many problems

[remote merlin]

I get them on Audible

[half coral]

Are they cheaper?

I like print but they take space

[timid cove]

there's a lot of discount codes to make audible more affordable than buying from BL direct imho

[half coral]

Thanks! I’ll chexk that out

[remote merlin]

If you subscribe on Audible, every month you get 1 credit to spend on ANY book to buy it with. Additional credits can be bought 3 at a time for uh, 18 euro I think. Audible sub also gives free books of other genre.

[lavish thorn]

Audible > BL

[remote merlin]

So I buy books that would ordinarily cost me a LOT more, with these credits

[half coral]

Wow that sounds like a banger, thanks for the info

[remote merlin]

I gotta have a lot to read while sleeping in my tomb w- I mean in my human bed because of my weak human body that requires sleep.

[rotund junco]

How do u do fellow weak human flesh puppets

[remote merlin]

Oh! I forgot to mention the credits are cumulative, so you can stack them. No need to spend them.

[half coral]

Niceeee

[pulsar totem]

I just really like evaluating books with people I've never met before, makes for some different perspectives

[half coral]

If you guys could recommend a Slaanesh book which would it be?

[jaunty stratus]

Started with Brutal Kunnin. Good goofy ork book so far

[remote merlin]

Yeah we need more ork books

I started that War of the Beast series but on the second book it had some narrators I didn't like to listen to

My stupid eyes don't like reading, it's very straining

[pulsar totem]

Not exactly what you're looking for but I really enjoyed Fulgrim

I didn't know what to think at first and by the end, I loved it.

Not really a big space marine guy though.

Most of my books revolve around the guard.

[half coral]

Thanks

[remote merlin]

Correctin it was a Ghazkul book I wanted to listen to but it had several narrators, one of which was very "sharp" in her speech

Actually getting book 2 in the War of the Beast books right now!

[rotund junco]

the fabius bile books are the only emps children books I liked

since Fabius and cool Fulgrim are the only cool (imho) emps children characters

[remote merlin]

Cool Fulgrim?

[rotund junco]

non chaos fulgrim

clonegrim

whatever u wanna call him

[remote merlin]

I didn't know clonegrim functioned

[rotund junco]

well, trazin kinda has him now

[remote merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/necron-dance-warhammer40k-wh40k-warhammer40000-gif-25711280

[rotund junco]

but its pretty much Fulgrim that didnt fall into chaos

[pulsar totem]

It's a HH book and revolves around his fall to Chaos.

[rotund junco]

full primarch strength and everything

[remote merlin]

I'm guessing it can't be done twice?

[rotund junco]

who can tell, Fabius got kinda scared after that one worked a tad too well

[remote merlin]

Clonegrim didn't like him?

[rotund junco]

long story short, Clonegrim was too successful in turning emps children to follow him, and too strong in battle

so Fabius got scared

[remote merlin]

Clonegrim got chaos EC to follow him?

[rotund junco]

yep

[remote merlin]

That's weird

[rotund junco]

not the really fallen ones

the ones with fabius

[remote merlin]

Ooh

I can only hope Trazyn plonks him down next to the Emperor some day

[rotund junco]

clonegrim outshined fabius in half a book so he got scared and gave him away

add it to the list of cool characters bl has been ignoring

[remote merlin]

I think the story in Infinite & Divine is really big too but I don't think much has come of it

What with what Orikan manages to do

[ashen magnet]

What books have the “most important” lore

[thorn bison]

That entirely depends on what you consider "important"

[rotund junco]

The core rulebooks

The other bl books go from mostly lore accurate to fanfiction levels of lore

[blissful tendon]

Can someone say where would be good to start reading?

[rotund junco]

Pick ur favurite mainstream sm chapter and look at the books they have

Otherwise, eisenhorn is cool for the inquisition stuff

Ciaphas cain series or gaunt ghosts for guard

Carcharodons if u like cool space psycho sharks

Baneblade if u like tanks

Titanicus if u like big robots

We kinda need more info if u want smth more specific, what do u like from 40k?

[plain parrot]

If you want to start at Horus heresy and get a full grasp on everything Warhammer has to offer. But if you wanted to skip to recent 40k dark imperium is good for that, be mind of filling in a few gaps with imagination.

[heavy juniper]

finished shroud of night earlier. that was very very fun https://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/shroud-of-night.html alpha legion, khorne worshippers, emperor's children and slaanesh nonsense, imperial fist primaris morons, battle sisters, celestine, KHARN. a beautiful rollercoaster

[rotund junco]

honestly, id advise most people to read a summary of the horus heresy and to ignore the books,

the quality of the horus heresy stuff is all over the place

[blissful tendon]

Thanks ❤️

@rotund junco I'll try to find something of those)

[plain parrot]

The first three are great and at least set up siege of Terra books which I highly recommend.

[shrewd silo]

I would recommend a few but others I don't really like or remember

Im also only up to horus heresy 23

1 great
2 great
3 great
4 good
5 great
6 meh
7 meh
8 bad
9 great
10 good
11 meh
12 meh
13 good
14 good
15 meh
16 good
17 good for the first half then bad
18 great
19 meh
20
.1 mirror cracked was boring then extra bad
.2 bad
.3 bad
.4 great
21 ok
22 it's pretty good sometimes

Also don't remember what book but the short story with the loyalist iron warrior defending his planet from traitor iron warriors is great.

[viral juniper]

the guy with the metal face?

that guy is a mega chad

[shrewd silo]

Pretty sure

Looked it up book 16 the iron within

Honestly that's a great short story to get into the space marines

[jaunty stratus]

Alpha legion, thousand sons and Prospero burns meh? Heresy

[shrewd silo]

Yes

[jaunty stratus]

[swift beacon]

Prospero and legion are amazing

[slow pilot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jefk5Kyfhfg

this is pretty cool

they have one for all the authors

[plain parrot]

I have read the first 3, could I just get both prospero and legion and read them out of order? I'm thinking I could considering I'm already reading 5 different 40k time lines, nature of the beast. XD

[slow pilot]

are the dawn of fire books supposed to be like the Horus heresy saga. are there going to be tons of books like in the horus ones.

[shrewd silo]

So really the first 5 books are all in order then it goes all over the place.
Legion is before the first 5 books and prospero is very close together if no the same time at points.

As the first 5

A lot of the books are on big events planned by horus that are legendary in current 40k history.
Basically a lot of the first HH books all happen at the same time when all the shit goes real bad

[plain parrot]

Yeah in GIF foreboding takes place

[shrewd silo]

Hell even up to book 19 you still have stories of SM just finding out they got betrayed

[plain parrot]

Hey now spoiler geeez

[shrewd silo]

Not really the books literally spoil them selves in the summary

The real spoilers would be who lives and who dies

[swift beacon]

late answer, but yes you can. prospero is very close to book 2

[jaunty stratus]

I really did not expect a heresy from Horus, that was kind of surprising

[thorn bison]

I did not at all expect Horus to kill The Emperor

Totally unexpected

[topaz bison]

How do I still get pings from this channel? muted in every sense. 😮

[thorn bison]

It's because you've got the Book Club role so you'll get pinged when the role is pinged, simple as

[jaunty stratus]

also, because one of the best channels on that server

[frank mirage]

so i am now about 4 chapters into the book of martyrs sororitas book and i have to say they made me care about a character i wouldnt have ever thought about lol

book is written very well and the story so far very well done atleast for me :)

[thorn bison]

This isn't a time to be civil, tell everyone loud and clear; This IS the best channel in this server, and that's the truth of it

Necromancer has spoken, now I retire

[sage gale]

||During Echoes of Eternity there’s this skitarii named Transacta 7Y1 who’d been fighting with this IA sergeant who she could only talk to by typing on this terminal, and as they’re getting ready to make their last stand he asks her if she’s pretty underneath all her implants. She thinks tl herself for a minute about how her skins turned gray, she’s bald, had her eyes and most of her skull replaced, and. A ton of other augment besides, then types yes||

On the topic of the SoT

[azure pewter]

I kind of expected a book about the word bearers to be bad

And here i am, trying to read the first heretic finding out just how right i was

Also, f*ck Erebus

[jaunty stratus]

first heretic had some cool moments imo, but ye

[gaunt grotto]

I think there might be a trend going on there

[frigid osprey]

the Fabius Bile trilogy, for sure

also Ian St. Martin did a good job with Lucius: The Faultless Blade

there are a couple of 40k EC short stories that are good too, i enjoyed A More Perfect Union (hopefully Rich McCormick does some more EC stuff).
There's been a big Emperor's Children shaped gap in the Black Library lineup since Josh Reynolds left

[burnt ridge]

Finished the Wolftime by Gav Thorpe, I gotta say I'm really enjoying the Dawn of Fire series so far

anyone know if the next Dawn of Fire book with release with the audiobook version at the same time or if it takes them a bit to get to the audio book release?

[heavy juniper]

yeah, think the audiobooks have released simultaneously with all of the dawn of fire books so far. one of the few books they release everything on the same date. since there is no normal hardcover for it the limited edition hardcovers and the paperbacks release at the same time

18th is the preorder day for all of the black library celebration stuff, release day 25th

the black library release weeks are so uneven. hehe. nothing this week. then like 7+ books the week after. captain messinius miniature as well

[graceful osprey]

yeah the dawn of fire audiobooks release the same day

[burnt ridge]

If I ever do a space marine army I'm def building a white consul one around Messinius

[shrewd silo]

Wait what's the trend?

[gaunt grotto]

It gets worse over time

[shrewd silo]

Oh yeah it does start strong

Still some of the later ones a still great like corax

[heavy juniper]

like master of mankind

[agile hedge]

Im glad we are finally approaching the Infinite and the Divine bookclub

The newcrons books are really good and TIaTD is one of the books I consider to be a great entryway to 40k thanks to its humour, a bit like I would treat a Ciaphas Cain book

[glass sparrow]

the buried dagger (I think it's called that) is about the death guards journey to terra, is very good in my opinion.

really enhances Mortarion's hypocrisy and lengths he is willing to go to try and preserve his legion.

makes the insults and barbs that Jhagatai slings at Mortarion during the Siege series of books hurt all the more.

[sage gale]

the based kahn master of the legion vs the virgin mortarion letting typhus control the legion

[modern forge]

Hello I'm getting into the lore of 40k. Planning to start with Eisenhorn but I also wanted something to accompany the reading with art, so was looking for some sort of artbook or a book with illustrations and lore if there's any

[orchid herald]

the cloest thing you might find in that catagory would be something along the line of Xenoloogy or a Sabbat crusade or worlds.

[sage gale]

Unfortunately there aren't many artbooks, most of the hardbacks and special edition books have art of some key events of the novel in them.

Some decent artbooks though are:

Vision of heresy

The emperor's will (though its a bit of aquired taste)

There is a book called the art of warhammer 40000

Emperor's will is where alot of iconic 40k art comes from such as the emperor on the golden throne

Most of the art in Emperor's Will is similar to this, very good, but it is a bit of an aquired taste

There is also the emperor's might, which has a few other good pieces, but it retails on amazon for 500 bucks

I would

Highly reccomend

[plain parrot]

The codexes have heaps of art inside em.

[sage gale]

this too

but it seemed liek he was looking for things liek d&ds art & arcana

[late flower]

I like ogryn small brain

[modern forge]

Should I start with Ciaphas Cain or with Eisenhorn?

or maybe Gaunt's Ghost

[lavish badger]

Eisenhorn might work best. Less war, more travelling.

[modern forge]

alright, what about the other two? in what order should I read them? Eisenhorn and then?

Thanks for the advice also

[thorn bison]

Ciaphas if you want more comedy/military and Gaunt if you want depression/military, the order doesn't particularly matter

[modern forge]

Alright, thanks

[sage gale]

Eisenhorn is a good place to start

Caiphas cane is based

Gaunts ghosts has aprox. 4 morbillion installments for a reason

I would also highly reccomend the infinite and the divine

[thorn bison]

All of this is true

This one preaches the word of the Club

[sage gale]

I would also recomend lupercals war if you want to get into horus heresy @modern forge

[modern forge]

gonna start with those 3 and then see what I get most interested about

Really appreciate all the recommendations

[glass lintel]

Ciaphas Cain is my second-favorite series in the setting, but I remain firm that it is an awful introduction to the setting. Lots of Proper Nouns that necessitate wiki-diving or previous knowledge to know how fucking lucky Cain is: same as The Infinite and The Divine.

Eisenhorn isn't a 40k book, and could just as well be a Star Wars or Dune novel for how well it handles women utilizes the setting, but it therefore doesn't demand you know tooo much about the setting.

Gaunt's Ghosts is a Tom Clancy novel, except the navy seals are fighting daemons instead of Russians or the taliban.

[sage gale]

Eisenhorn is good as an intro novel because it sets a dark tone but doesn't include anything too fucked up

[slender willow]

Steel Tread for a strong Guard perspective that doesn't require a massive degree of foreknowledge

[sage gale]

Fu;grim

best intro novel

:)

[plain parrot]

These are my choices for my next read, opinions please

Fyi just finishing lost and the damned atm

[slender willow]

Indomitus had such an unimpressive start that I stopped reading maybe 40 or so pages in

[plain parrot]

Goodreads has it sitting at a 3.22/5

[slender willow]

Huh

[sage gale]

@plain parrot continue the SoT

[plain parrot]

Thorpes books on my list are 1 rating lower then where I would like them. Each to there own tho, I'm not discrediting based of collective impression.

[sage gale]

Lost and the damned is bad

But it gets better

Also aquire echoes of eternity

[plain parrot]

I'm waiting for something that I feel isn't coming is book. No spoilers 😂

[sage gale]

Genuinely one of the best warhammer novels evee

[plain parrot]

Funny enough I started reading eoe first lol

[sage gale]

I would reccomend uou read SoT in order

Its much better that way

[plain parrot]

Was a little Yolo since eoe was the only book at the shops and I was itching for 40k

Not wise I know

[sage gale]

Yeah

start with solar war

you can get most of SoT on gw's webstore for

fairly cheap

[plain parrot]

I should be clear, I started with echoes then went back to the start. Solar was fantastic. Space battles are epic

[shrewd silo]

https://youtu.be/dgo-As552hY

Highly recommend this 40 minute short story.
Read by the author and he is a God tier voice actor.

[slow pilot]

haven't read any of those yet but i heard witchbringer wasn't that good.

[plain parrot]

Rats I was looking forward to witchbringer

[slow pilot]

most reviews i saw said it was bland or boring

but like i said i never read it so take that with a grain of salt

[plain parrot]

Yeah well reading is very personal, hopefully I can imagine it into a good story. Thanks anyway for your two cents.

[sage gale]

Reviews also said sanguinious was bad

but i thought it was very good

got alot of dracula vibes from it

like the original text

(Important bias to note here: I am a certified blood angels fan)

[plain parrot]

Ok so I'm getting an idea on what the bad books are, not really what I asked. But I'm formulating a reading list or the same.

[sage gale]

Sanguinius isn't a bad book

SO here lemme rank those books in my opinion
first off: havent read
Havent read broken city, ruin, resurection, witchbringer, or garro

onto books I have read
Warhawk, saturnine 2 of the 3 best books is SoT
First wall was boggers
Founding and both parts of the victory are good omnibuses, very much enjoyed gaunts ghost
Lupercalls war is a great anthology
Sanguinius was good, but short
Mortis was mid, it's brought down because of it's positioning in SoT, it was a decent book, but it really slows down the series right in between saturnine (which had a very high up beat ending) and warhawk(which absolutely put the gas down)
Dark imperium is kinda mid, it has it's moments, but if you don't care for guilliman, those are a good skip

[plain parrot]

Think I might switch between gaunts ghosts and SoT until I'm up to saturnine.

Big fan of dan of course

[glass lintel]

Further proving that the authors purposefully started a plot before I was born that all of my favorite Primarchs would have books about them picking God-lint out of their bellybuttons ||do Primarchs have bellybuttons? They were made in tubes|| and being sad, while all of my least favorite primarchs . . . well I'll be honest: they also do that, but follow-it up with suplexing a Titan or beating three bloodthirsters in a fistfight at the same time, before beating a Lord of Change at Connect4 in their next book.

[jaunty stratus]

damn, that siege of terra book design looks neat

[heavy juniper]

that book is completely ridiculous. the first part has no relation to anything in the rest of the book either from what I understood.

loved witchbringer personally. very good. broken city was also great, anthology so the quality varies from story to story of course.

[sage gale]

Simply be a great angel fan and get to have every cool moment ever

[sterile yew]

Twice dead king was fun

[quiet yew]

Very nice covers. The writing? Well that's a whole nother thing

[sterile yew]

Twice dead king is the best of em.

[heavy juniper]

yeah, ruin was good. I'm reading reign at the moment. it is dragging a bit

[shrewd silo]

They were ||no they don't have belly buttons.
They where grown in tubes so the emperor had to feed them highly nutritious fish flakes from the top of the jar.||

[glass lintel]

That tracks.

[sterile yew]

reign is a bit of an acquired taste. I liked it but ruin was the better book.

you could tell it was supposed to be a single book i think

[glass lintel]

I love some long books, but I'd be exhausted by the end of a single book.

I enjoy both a lot, and think the reception generally comes from the (action) climax of the two being the climax of Ruin. Reign also lacks the supporting strength of Jazerus ||I'm on break: not bothering to check the spelling|| or the sub-personas, which is where it really stumbled.

[rigid widget]

Hello guys, very new to the book side of WH. I've finished the 'Alpharius: Head of the Hydra' book and I'm interested in more Alpha legion focused stuff.
I'm thinking about 'Legion' but I don't know if it's too deep into the HH for me to understand much of whats going on

Would you guys still recommend it or have other suggestions?

[heavy juniper]

legion is set before the main horus heresy events that happen in book 1-3, it just sets up where the alpha legion comes from in relation to everything going on at the istvaan events (and also starts another big side story going on during hh)

reading head of the hydra first will probably help you a lot in understanding what's going on with them in the short stories. very nice

[rigid widget]

Nice then, was worried since I don't want to get fully into the HH yet. Will get to it as a next read in that case. Thanks!

[sage gale]

Most AL stories are not AL stories, but other faction stories that AL is apart of

SO alot fo your alpha legion spcific stories are mostly Horus Heresy novels

By alot I mean all of it

There's basically
Head of the hydra
Legion
and the serpent beneath

For AL novels

they have a few short stories that are really good though

And then for 40k there is just renegades harrowmaster

[rigid widget]

I just thought most HH novels could not be exactly read in any specific order or as a completely stand alone story, as in, I might pick up a story that is set in the middle/end of the Heresy with some conflicts that are happening and I might not have enough idea about whats going on in the setting. So I'm trying to avoid anything that resembles that to keep my brain calm

[sage gale]

So heres how you read Horus hereasy

[rigid widget]

Doesn't help that I don't find many post about the legion itself to help me clear stuff up 💀

[sage gale]

raead books 1 - 3, preferably 4 and 5

and then only follow the legions you care about around

though mentally brace yourself for fulgrim

[rigid widget]

Will definitely think about it once I'm done with the Legion one

I literally got introduced to this via Darktide

thanks for the clarification!

[sage gale]

Ah

have you read anything other than alpharius?

[rigid widget]

my current pipeline has been Darktide > Luetin videos (Emperor, brief resume on the war on heaven, and snip bits about the HH) > Just the Alpharius

so, reading wise, yeah

that's literally it

[sage gale]

Some really good 40k books

they aren't AL, but they are great all around books for the setting

Eisenhorn is a good intro to inquisitors, so is vaults of terra (badass custodian included)

The infinite and the divine is a necrons comedy that most people love, meself included

The gaunts ghost series is really good, and so is caiphas cain, both of them follow guardsmen, mostly commisars, but they have just about polar opposite tones

Lupercals War is a good little omnibus with 19 great horus heresy stories

The Primarchs is another good collection

You dont' have to rea dall fo these

but theyre great ways to start reading about different factions and their cool stories

[calm pendant]

Eisenhorn is considered the best entry into the series because Dan Abnett was first getting into the series himself when he wrote it right at the start of black library. It explains stuff very well because it was literally the first time for a lot of stuff in the setting iirc.

[sage gale]

eisenhorn was like the 5th black library book every written lmao

[glass lintel]

I'm on my third attempt to read it after getting bored-out the first two.

[sage gale]

you definitely have to like crime dramas to like eisenhorn

If you want somethign that moves along a little better, I would recomend vaults of terra

[calm pendant]

I'm trying to shut up about the 8th but, the Night Lords omnibus is also a very good entry into the series IMO

[sage gale]

ok edgelord

[calm pendant]

it also explains stuff quite well from the csm perspective

[sage gale]

(he is right)

[calm pendant]

I read it already knowing a lot but if I was a newbie I would have gotten stuff easily I think. It's quite good

[sage gale]

Navradaran is based as hell and I will not see any of you tarnish his goddamn name

all several hundred of them

[glass lintel]

I do, it's just that he reads like Tofu that came back from The War™️ and his psyker power removes a significant amount of threat from the narrative.

The first chapter is him recounting how he is at his oldest and weakest, and the far more interesting story of his companion who died.

[glass lintel]

Nightlords is my best-in-show WH40K novel still, and I still believe it's the best introduction to the setting with how it does incredibly well to show how the Imperium functions and the rough power scaling of the setting without making anybody heroes. *️⃣

*️⃣ Not, as-in, 'the good guy', but by which I mean "all of the books characters leave each battle with broken armor, empty weapons, and there's a decent chance they have fewer limbs" as opposed to other books where we've got the same characters present from 30k to 41k with maybe a few scars who can easily handle 100:1 fights.

[sage gale]

Man

Navradaran is gaming

fucker ||Broke into commoragh, killed the fabricator general, and then dropped a building on himself||

[rigid widget]

Will be taking some notes there then, specially from the Primarchs 👍 , looking forward to getting into the setting in the 40K world in the upcommings months or years (you never know)

[sage gale]

Simply play custodes, best faction

all others are ireelecant

in all seriousness though

I hope you enjoy what you read, this setting has really evolved, especially isnce the introduction of BL, and has been amazing to be apart of

[calm pendant]

Pretty much this exactly.

Dreadnoughts and Terminators feel dangerous, 1st claw lose limbs nearly every fight or get put out of commission for months because their gear is destroyed, space battles feel nerve-wracking because they're one ship running from entire fleets and we see what happens when they do get caught lacking by enemy ships, and the gang lose every fight they get into or have to run away because they did some fuckery and now the black legion is shooting down their transports. You rarely see writers confident enough to write protagonists like this and even rarer for them to pull it off

when the gang lose they lose hard but when they're in their element they are terrifying

[slow pilot]

finished the first Eisenhorn book

took longer because i took a break for a few days. was busy with something.

don't tell me if I'm right but I think || the man with the black eyes hes afraid of is him after he uses the book or something||

omg the second book is 100 years after the last one!

[heavy juniper]

hehe

[shrewd silo]

[sage gale]

KekW

[shrewd silo]

I think the latest book in the inquisitor seires is like 250 to 300 or so years since the first one

[slow pilot]

there is one more still to come out

[shrewd silo]

I know it's apparently the last one but I bet it's gonna be the end of the trilogie not the inquisitor series

[slow pilot]

how many dawn of fire books will there be

and if the new one is coming out this month why isn't it for sale on the site?

[drowsy urchin]

It's pre-orders start on saturday

And no idea how many there will be though

Many

[slow pilot]

You have been able to pre order on Amazon for 2 months but books always get damaged when I order from them

[drowsy urchin]

Amazon listings are weird anyways because those often get added right away once one is announced by some other party than GW or BL

But the book itself will be released in two weeks time

This week is the official pre-order date

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/12/sunday-preview-reinforce-the-astra-militarum-and-prepare-for-the-black-library-celebration/

[slow pilot]

You were able to pre order kingmaker 2 months early also

[drowsy urchin]

From some other sites than the official, sure

But GW only puts stuff for pre-order just a week before the release

[slow pilot]

What time do pre orders start I want the signed one

[drowsy urchin]

Think it's 10am UK time

[slow pilot]

5am on Monday for me

[heavy juniper]

depends on where you are. it’s usually 10am your local time

[drowsy urchin]

10am Saturday

Doubt you are more than a day ahead

[slow pilot]

Thought you said sunday

Ya it says sunday

[drowsy urchin]

The link probably got you mixed up sorry

That's just the previews from yesterday

[slow pilot]

I'm confused

I have a week to figure it out lol

[graceful osprey]

Dawn of Fire was marketed as a Horus Heresy scale ongoing series for the Indomitus Crusade

[heavy juniper]

the previews for what goes on preorder next werk goes up on sunday

[graceful osprey]

so they will probably keep writing them until sales start to dip

[drowsy urchin]

"Sunday previews" happen on Sundays where they preview the next Saturday's pre-orders

[slow pilot]

If you watched the horus heresy interviews they had the whole thing mapped out

[drowsy urchin]

Not really when they started doing it

It was supposed to be 3-6 books originally

[slow pilot]

I'm looking forward to the happy ending

[drowsy urchin]

It ended up being 60+

[graceful osprey]

yeah I don't think they did exactly it was going to be small but then they realized it printed money

[heavy juniper]

yeah, siege of terra they controlled themselves better and planned it out properly. horus heresy book series is a carcrash

[drowsy urchin]

The Siege of Terra in the other hand was pretty well mapped out

Even though the last book got split into two

[graceful osprey]

so idk about Dawn of Fire because it doesn't have the same level of popularity as the Heresy books

[slow pilot]

Because money

[graceful osprey]

but maybe it just needs time

[drowsy urchin]

Well I trust that Abnett wanted to do it that way, otherwise it would have probably stayed as a single novel

[slow pilot]

I need to go to bed ttyl

[drowsy urchin]

Dawn of Fire lacks the big spectacle thus far, it has pretty interesting events going on but the overarching story seems a bit lacking

[graceful osprey]

I think their main problem with Dawn of Fire is how tied to the tabletop narrative it is

what can they do this close to Arks of Omen and 10th edition major story beats?

without major spoilers

so instead we get these filler novels

[drowsy urchin]

True, but the timeline is a bit fuzzy as well so can't really tell when exactly any major event is playing out in regards to other events

[graceful osprey]

yeah they could focus on another area but unverified rumors are that 10th edition will be doing that with the tyranid and nihilus

[drowsy urchin]

Like the 10th edition timeline will probably be set in the same timeline as 9th but focuses to the Nihilus side of the galaxy

[graceful osprey]

yeah exactly

I think once 10th launches we may finally get cool stuff in Dawn of Fire

[drowsy urchin]

And Arks of Omen seems to be happening a good while after what's going on in the Dawn of Fire books at the moment

Haven't read the Angron book yet though

[graceful osprey]

yeah I'm wondering if at some point the series will move past the events of Dark Imperium

and catch up

because otherwise they're writing this long term ongoing series about the first stage of a crusade we've already moved on from

[drowsy urchin]

I still need to catch up with Throne of Light, Wolftime wasn't that good so I've not had the motivation to move forth with the series yet

Also I have other things ahead of it in my priorities

[graceful osprey]

Throne of Light reads more like an inquisitor/investigation novel

[drowsy urchin]

People have seemed to enjoy it

[graceful osprey]

I liked it better than the Wolftime, but i'm not a huge space wolves fan so ||baby Gaius talking down at them didn't offend me as much as he probably should have||

[drowsy urchin]

Yeah same

[quiet yew]

Anyone else hyped for The End and the Death?

[drowsy urchin]

quite

[spiral panther]

very hyped

im also anxious for pandemonium and see the impact it might have on the setting

[sage gale]

The fucking t o m e

I cannot wait

[burnt ridge]

I'm part way through it right now and Rostov is really making me want to go listen to the Eisenhorn books again

I will say though I am loving the Dawn of Fire series so far

Am especially excited for the Knights of Kamidar to return in the next book

Though it (Gate of Bone spoiler)||would have been more enjoyable if the princess was still alive||

And while the Wolftime started rather rough, I grew very fond of Gaius and the rapport he had with Ulrik.

[magic sable]

I might have missed it, but who's running the book club since Aqshy isn't a CM anymore?

[sage gale]

no idea

i remember the next book club being the infinite and the divine

[graceful osprey]

most of the books haven't advanced the plot massively but I still liked reading them and it's cool to build the early Indomitus Crusade out as a setting

I think most of the beef with Wolftime has to do with ||the space wolves being a chapter more likely to reject strange offworld primaris reinforcements but gaius impresses them fairly quickly and then they change their minds||

[devout idol]

I don't know too much about the Dark Angels apart from their planet blew up, the Lion is sleeping in a chunk of it called The Rock, like half the original legion became traitors and the collective Dark Angel loyalists fight a secret war to hunt them down.

Saying all this, what would be the best book to read to get a good idea of this chapter and its dark secrets? I have heard good things about "The Unforgiven".

[slender willow]

Dark Angels need to have more nuance than just "hunt Fallen"

[graceful osprey]

I have heard good things about Luther: First of the Fallen but you might want to read Descent of Angels and Fallen Angels first for context

not sure about the Legacy of Caliban books. kind of says a lot that I can't name a non-controversial suggestion

[sage gale]

Sorru i missread your measage

[sage gale]

The dark angels have a few cool stories, the unforgiven is pgood

Just know that the most.
intereating DA stories are pretty much all about the fallen. This will likely remain this way until the lion comes back

[devout idol]

cheers all

[heavy juniper]

best dark angels story is lion fighting a full heresy book to secure some siege weapons from the traitors, and then just giving them to perturabo in the like post credits scene classic lion

[slow pilot]

im not really feeling the second eisenhorn book.

im at the bar and i feel like its just jumping from one scene to the next

[glass lintel]

Yeah, they've always hit me the same as Grey Knights and Black Templars: singularly committed to The Bit.

"We already wrote that there are twenty versions of The Emperor's all-in-one strike force that can handle any situation . . . which means we need to make at least half of those hyper-specialized."

[jaunty stratus]

I had the same experience going through it the first time at that specific scene, I was listening the audiobook and was like "damn, did I overhear something and was not paying attention?". It was the only scene change that felt that abrupt though. There are some still coming, but they arent like that one

[slow pilot]

does it get better

[jaunty stratus]

yes, certainly

[slow pilot]

I went back a chapter because I thought I missed something lol

Dan abnett is really good at writing action scenes

My favorite eisenhorn line is still "I'm doing my job you bastard!"

[slow pilot]

@jaunty stratus do i have the read the 4th book? is it part of the main story because it sounds like its just a side story.

[shrewd silo]

I would say read it since it's a great book and introduces garro

[slow pilot]

But is it part of the main story

I want to get to pariah

[shrewd silo]

Idk I listed to it years ago now.
It's got a ton of death guard lore and garro who is important

But it's not a full on legion book like first 3 or 5 is

[slow pilot]

But do I have to read it for the next arc

[shrewd silo]

It's like half death guard siding with horus and half escape

[slow pilot]

Nevmind

[shrewd silo]

I would say yes

It's not like nemesis or tales from the heresy

Also whatever you do skip battle for the abyss

That books trash

[slow pilot]

im so confused how magos works

is part of it short storys?

[sage gale]

its a series of short stories

and then the book

magos

[slow pilot]

Are the dawn of fire books boring @sage gale

I heard they are dull

Also what is your profile picture

[plain parrot]

Hope not, I'm going to read them after I'm up-to-date with SoT

[slow pilot]

I have seen reviews that it has no direction but the next one is by Dan abnett

[graceful osprey]

some people like Siege of Terra, some don't. same with Dawn of Fire

ik that's a useless nonanswer but i've seen both positive and negative discussions about both series

[jaunty stratus]

it does not introduce garro, I think ME confused it with the Horus Heresy. Book 4 "Magos" is basically the Terminus Point, where all the other Inquisitor books are directly connected with. Its a great Novel on its own, but can be read after Ravenor, or before Ravenor, but with all the short storys it has, because it helps setting things in context, also cool short storys. It should be read prior the Pariah series

[slow pilot]

Do you like dof

[slow pilot]

Thanks

[graceful osprey]

personally I do like I think the books aren't bad books but I do understand what people mean about it not being as exciting as they were marketed. DoF was supposed to be the modern setting's Horus Heresy and idk if it really lives up to that but if you look at it as just a book series exploring the early Indomitus Crusade its pretty cool

[dusk vortex]

Is The Siege Of Terra series standalone?

or do i require more HH novels to fully get all the characters

[drowsy urchin]

kind of

you'll get a lot more out of it if you're aware of some key points in the earlier HH

most of the main cast are introduced in the heresy for example

[dusk vortex]

i guess Sigismund is made Emperors champion in HH novels rather than in the Dorn centric SoT book

[drowsy urchin]

I think that title becomes a thing during the siege

[dusk vortex]

honestly I just want to read the battle on the Vengeful Spirit

in the last one

[sage gale]

People who dont lile SoT have the wrong opinion though

[magic sable]

I’ve only read the first Dawn of Fire book but I liked that better than most of the Dark Imperium books fwiw

SoT has one or two books that are mediocre at worst

[sage gale]

Yeah, mortis and lost and the damned weren't great
though mortis was more or less bad because it was a very slow book in between two very fast paced books (warhawk and saturnine)

[sage gale]

thats a siege thing

[burnt ridge]

How is Nick Kyme's writing?

I'm excited for DoF book 5 but haven't read anything by him yet

[heavy juniper]

would have said god awful a week ago. but just read volpone glory and really really enjoyed that

[swift beacon]

I always thought that was a 40k thing, guess the more you know lol

[burnt ridge]

Then hopefully he's learned from his apparent failings.

I'm a big fan of the Knights of Kamidar and excited to see them taking center stage in the new book

[orchid herald]

Volpone glory is probable one of the better Sabbat world books.

[burnt ridge]

Has BL said how long they plan the Dawn of Fire series to be?

Or when and if it'll catch up to arks of omen

[graceful osprey]

they haven't set a max number of books, probably ongoing until sales start to dip

it will most likely not catch up to arks of omen but who knows. Dawn of Fire takes place before the Plague War in Dark Imperium and Arks of Omen takes place after

so it would have to do a time jump and that doesn't seem likely anytime soon

[dusk vortex]

having just read Armour Of Contempt and all the whacky chaos and mutant shit that goes on in those type of worlds an Inquisition focused book on the retaking of long held chaos worlds would be cool to read

and have it be something else than "nuke it"

[slow pilot]

Dan abbnet wrote the next one so depending on the reception I will start it because I like his writing. I have the first 4 books but I'm reading through eisenhorn right now. About to start hereticus.

[graceful osprey]

sorry I was talking about Dawn of Fire catching up to Arks of Omen. I actually haven't started Siege yet either >.>

[slow pilot]

Ya I was talking about dawn also lol

[graceful osprey]

oh I didn't know Dan Abnett was writing the next one

[slow pilot]

I was wrong hes not I just looked

[graceful osprey]

the one coming out this month is by Nick Kyme

[slow pilot]

I was so excited because I was going to buy the autographed one. He's my favorite black library author

[graceful osprey]

oh yeah he's coming out with the new Siege of Terra book someone probably misread a Dawn of Fire conversation

[plain parrot]

Think Amazon is my only way of buying the first Dawn of fire book, my local game shop was out of copy's.

Mb its available via GW 😛

[gusty current]

anyone know what books would be a good starting point? not too fussed about specific factions, looking for a good read

[thorn bison]

The pinned list is a decent startpoint for books, check that one out

[gusty current]

thanks mate

[orchid herald]

if you like the inqustional style novel read up on the last chancer serries, which is probable ne of the best guardsman novels out there, as it proides a good example of context to DT and what DT could have become

[dusk vortex]

beter than Gaunt?

damn i just might

[orchid herald]

guant ghost is more of a epic then a novel, i would say yeah it is, due to the tightness around the story and the relevance it has with Darktide particular.

[slow pilot]

is nick kyme a good writer?

[random marlin]

I did enjoy Volpone Glory that was written by him. There were some good things in it, notably the fact that the logistics and tactics he describes for the Imperial Guard are more realistic than in other books. The characters were interesting, even if some of them were maybe a bit too similar to some of those in Gaunt's Ghosts. Overall, I wouldn't say you have to read it at all costs, but this one's enjoyable. I don't know about others written by him.

[jaunty stratus]

I have yet to read a book of him, where I had a worse experience than "yeah it was at least ok and enjoyable"

but I also did not read that much of him, as of now

[burnt ridge]

I asked that the other day, you also excited for Iron Kingdom?

[slow pilot]

im not that far yet

[burnt ridge]

I'm almost done with Throne of Light

[slow pilot]

i need to finish heretocis before i can start dawn of fire

[slow pilot]

im reading book 3 of eisenhorn and that eisenhorn fanboy is fucking hilarious but has death flags all over himself

That or hes evil

[jaunty stratus]

Just listening to the primates books: Magnus edition and found out, that for whatever reason, they changed the name of the Planet in the german localisation from Morningstar to Phosphorus. Like wtf, why? It's neither meaning the same nor is there a need to change the name. There is even a German word for Morningstar, if they really needed to localise the name. The best part, it destroys the implied connection between the name and and the plot

[burnt ridge]

Finished Throne of Light, I do enjoy when a book wraps up with Fabian the Historator having an intimate interview

[slow pilot]

Is that eisenhorn at 180?

I thought it was aemos

[burnt ridge]

That piece of art confuses me greatly

Spoilers for Eisenhorn 3

||The painting matches Eisenhorn at the end of the book, where he's undergone hasty cyber augmentation that required shaving his head for a neural interface to be installed, but the woman looks like she's meant to be Bequin who has been in a coma since the beginning of the book. And yes Eisenhorn is in his 200s I believe in this book, but he kept his iconic hair until said operation iirc.||

[keen cave]

Not that it matters too much, but has anyone heard anything about when the gift cards for The Magos discussion are getting sent out? Aqshy just said “Friday”, but then… Y’know, got moved.

[slow pilot]

i feel like dan abnett has a problem where he spends too much time in one scene.

he likes to add a lot of detail but it makes things drag on sometimes

[sage gale]

One of the big things with eisenhorn: xenos specifically is it was one of the first. the entire eisenhorn series was very early on in 40k stories. So a large part of why it takes along time developing the world for the first 3 books, is because they were paving the way for other warhammer publications

But yes

He does go on sometimes for a very long time describing the intricacies of a laspistol thats referenced maybe twice again

[zenith mountain]

It adds worldbuilding

[sage gale]

It was the world building lmao

I believe it was actually abnett who coined the term 'vox' though i could be wrong

[slow pilot]

He definitely seems like the black library's golden boy.

[meager trench]

well...yeah. a bunch of the setting as it's set up today just wouldn't exist without him...

[shrewd silo]

Book 1 he's 40
Book 2 he's 140
Book 3 he's 180
||I think in the latest book he's like 320||

[slender willow]

Gonna end a book one day with him just having a heart attack

[heavy juniper]

nice

expensive day at the gw store. got everything apart from the end and the death vol 1 limited edition

[slow pilot]

i got this and ghosts

ordered it after

[heavy juniper]

ya, that's smart with the print on demand stuff. takes a couple months for those usually

[slow pilot]

120 days

iron kingdom sold out right after i ordered it.

[slow pilot]

does ravanor take place after hereticus

[orchid herald]

i would say revnour takes place after the Malice and runs paral to the Hereticus serries. but the thing with dan-abbent works there not a clear date set for these characters after they split up. we know that revenor takes place before the sabbat crusade,

[slow pilot]

i think the third eisenhorn book might be the first 40k book i drop

[glass lintel]

Surprised you got through the first, then. You made it further than I did.

[graceful osprey]

feel free to stop reading if you don't like it but you're going to be very confused when you get to Pariah

if you didn't finish Hereticus

[slow pilot]

i finished it

all 3 books

[graceful osprey]

hurrah!

[slow pilot]

should i read ravenor or dawn of fire next

[graceful osprey]

that is a tough question amigo. I really enjoyed Avenging Son and I think the first act of Ravenor #1 is kind of slow but also it's really cool reading about an inquisitor written by abnett who operates differently than eisenhorn

[tight cape]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[slow pilot]

i have read 6 books so far but nothing with space marines

they have shown up for a scene or 2 but not the whole book

[graceful osprey]

yeah either way it's a good problem to have. and that's pretty wild I think a lot of people start with space marines even I did thanks darktide

[tight cape]

I can't even remember what I started with, think it was one of the omnibuses

[graceful osprey]

I was about to say that apart from the space marines, Dawn of Fire feels more like witnessing a grand military campaign so it's a very different read

plenty of action too

[tight cape]

Space Wolves omnibus maybe? 🤔

[graceful osprey]

i'm pretty sure I started with the Uriel Ventris books

[slow pilot]

il do dawn of fire

i havent read anything by guy haley

[graceful osprey]

I really enjoy guy haley, most of the time. he's kind of superhuman, can write a book in a couple of months. sometimes it's not that good but a lot of times he crushes it

[slow pilot]

Have all 4

[graceful osprey]

most of my other books are in storage or scattered around. I went through a gotta have it phase but these days I'm mostly digital

[slow pilot]

I have a hard time paying attention if I read off a screen

[graceful osprey]

well most of the time at work I'm listening to audiobooks but that might present similar challenges

they're fun books to collect but at a certain point it becomes a real estate issue

[slow pilot]

I just like holding a book.

I'm weird that way

[slow pilot]

@graceful osprey I just noticed the third eisenhorn ends the way the first book begins. ||his team dead or gone and him alone going after the enemie||

[plain parrot]

Are we posting our library's! Can't wait for new SoT

[glass vector]

That’s a lotta books

[slender willow]

Ooo

[orchid herald]

my 40k libary those that arn't in boxs 😦 sadly don't have enough space

[slow pilot]

mine is pretty new so i only have 21 books

only lol

[jaunty stratus]

Pretty cool, thanks for the book club voucher for amazon @aqshy.
But how do I activate it? It always says its restricted for my region

Edit: oh, no more aqshy on the server as it seems

[slow pilot]

Is the opening of dawn of fire a flashback

[burnt ridge]

So, is Dawn of Fire building to a 2nd coming of the Emperor?

[zenith mountain]

Ravenor, dawn of fire is a haley series

[slow pilot]

whats a haley series

[zenith mountain]

Guy Haley, one of GW's favored writers

unfortunately the guy is quantity over quality

and cannot write nuanced or deep perspectives to save his life

Putting him in charge of a series is a great way to get all the negatives of the Heresy and none of the positives

If you want a 6/10 Space Marine novel where the opposition is treated as the most cartoonish literal NPCs and the kindest you can say is "I wish a better writer had tackled these ideas"

Guy Haley is your man

he shouldn't be allowed within ten yards of CSM or daemon POV

[meager trench]

hard, hard disagree. love his characterization of dante and his guilliman is a great sequel to the HH version

[burnt ridge]

I enjoy Guy Haley so far in Dawn of Fire. And Dawn of Fire isn't just Guy Haley, there's multiple authors in the series, though Guy wrote 2 of the first 5.

[zenith mountain]

He's mismanaging it so

Ultimately he has his competence zone and it's much narrower than the work they give him

[meager trench]

[burnt ridge]

There's been 4 books man, it's too early to see how the pieces just now being established will ultimately fall together.

[jaunty stratus]

I got one this weekend, but I can't really use it, because it's amazon Sweden

[keen cave]

It's funny, I actually got mine this mornin'.

[slow pilot]

Is the first chapter of the first dawn of fire a flashback?

Its called the seige of Tera

[glass lintel]

Sorry to tell you but having a cake at the top of a staircase doesn't mean much to me if the rest are made of LEGOs and you're telling me to go up barefoot.

[frigid osprey]

Haley's written some absolute bangers

[jaunty stratus]

Maybe we hear something in the next days, though, as it looks, not from Aqshy

[keen cave]

It actually came from Aqshy, weirdly enough,.

[jaunty stratus]

yep, mine too

[orchid herald]

i got mine today. but Asqhy isn't even on the sever anymore. so i believe catfish is handling the Book-club. i would think having one CM for Book club isn't enough, as Asqhy freqently commented that it was alot of work and negotiating for a single person to undertake.

[burnt ridge]

Yes, but not a 10,000 year flash back

[copper sphinx]

Had to join the vermintide server to be able to message her my thanks

[slow pilot]

isn't it? the siege of tera was 10k years ago.

[burnt ridge]

Terra has been sieged multiple times. The flashback is to around when Guilliman first returned

Which iirc is 3 months prior to the start of Avenging Son

[slow pilot]

dont know anything about him

i know they thought he died but thats it

and hes memed on

[burnt ridge]

Ten thousand years ago the Emperor's Children Primarch, Fulgrim, Mortally wounded Guilliman, the Ultramarines Primarch.

Guilliman sat in Stasis for 10k, he was a pilgrimage site for the Ultramar sector. Tech Magos Belisarius Cawl made him a suit of armor that could support him out of stasis and with the help of an Aeldari witch named Yvraine, they brought back Guilliman.

Guilliman went to Earth cause everything is going to shit with the Astronomicon temporarily going out, the Cicatrix Maledictum ripping the galaxy in two, and they arrived in time to save Terra from a Daemon invasion

That's about the gist of it

[burnt ridge]

Ultimately, Roboute was the best Bureaucrat of the Primarchs. A talent he is heavily putting to use as he's reforming the Imperium and rallying the greatest Crusade since the Horus Heresy, and arguably greater

[meager trench]

idk what kind of shrooms nick kyme discovered while writing volpone glory but he's carried through with this newfound actually good writing in Iron Kingdom

[burnt ridge]

YAY

[heavy juniper]

lol. promising

[jaunty stratus]

did she mention, if there is any update coming or something or who our new contact for the book club is?

[copper sphinx]

I assume its the new diretide cm

But no she didn't

But I didn't ask either

[jaunty stratus]

ah well, lets see then how things change in the next weeks, maybe I find out, what I can do with the amazon.se gift card until then, but thanks for your reply

[copper sphinx]

You got it for Swedish amazon?

Lmao

That's pretty funny

Didn't know they were country specific

[jaunty stratus]

me neither, I was asked back then, what region I live in, which is western europe, nothing specific was asked, now I have a swedish gift card, sitting in germany

[orchid herald]

Vpn over to sweeden.

[sage gale]

Bruh

Avoiding spoilers for the end and the death (volume 1) is pain
It gets harder and harder by the day
Not to mention the custodes community is in uproar

[slow pilot]

Spoiler alert there is heresy from a guy a guy named horus

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[sage gale]

No you bastard

[jaunty stratus]

The problem is, that amazon Sweden, for whatever reason, only has credit card, I don't have one, because there is not really a need for it, where I live

[orchid herald]

Fun

[slow pilot]

How did gilamen ||die because it keeps saying he came back to life||

Prob spelled his name wrong

[viral juniper]

shanked by fulgrim (I think) with a poison dagger sometime in or after the horus heresy

he wasn't "dead"

but would die if they turned off stasis

not really a book club kinda deal since it's not really spoiler afaik

[slow pilot]

I'm reading dawn of fire

And it mentioned he came back

[viral juniper]

ah

[slow pilot]

What legion dies he lead

[sage gale]

Ultramarines

[slow pilot]

[sage gale]

He didnt die. He was greviosuly wounded and held in stasis

[slow pilot]

ultra sounds good

[sage gale]

Ultramarines are based in 30k

[slow pilot]

so they are all dead

[sage gale]

No

[slow pilot]

oh ya they can live a long time

[sage gale]

Ultramarines are still around

Well okay so

The ultramarinea from 30k

Are all dead

Aside for guilliman

But the chapter remains

[sage gale]

One sec theres a meme

[slow pilot]

there is always a meme

[sage gale]

Left is 30k UM, right is 40k UM

[slow pilot]

so they are nerds

[viral juniper]

shout out to that one khornate berserker that charged gulliman right after he woke up

[sage gale]

Based

[sage gale]

Theyre not nerds, theyre just very by the book

This has changed since matt ward stopped writing for 40k

[slow pilot]

nerds

[sage gale]

Nah

Thousand Sons are the nerds

[slow pilot]

i only know a few legions.

i am more into the astra milatarem

[sage gale]

Thousdand sons, the scions of the crimson king

Theyre Magnus the Reds legion

They were known for their psylers, as apmost the entire legion was psychicly latent

[viral juniper]

also known for being nerds

[sage gale]

They would fall to tzeench

Mostly

For their nerdiness

[slow pilot]

i like how humble he is

[sage gale]

Guilliman?

I woulsnt call guilliman humble

[viral juniper]

he isn't not humble tho iirc

[sage gale]

He just doeant gloat until after he's won

And to be fair to him

Hes one of like 4 primarchs that has actually earned their arrogance

The other 3 being pertutabo, Horus, and the kahn

I would through sangy and dorn up there, but they werent arrogant

[viral juniper]

Khan is based

[slow pilot]

i mean he sorta wants to be seen as a person

[sage gale]

Hes a politician

[slow pilot]

he doesn't want to be worshiped or anything

[sage gale]

Not just a

Hes the politician

[slow pilot]

most people in his position would have power go to their head

hes grounded thats a better word

[sage gale]

Remember that every time uou read something about him

99.99% of the tine

Hes politicking

He is fairly gtounded tho ye

[slow pilot]

this is the first time im reading about him

[sage gale]

Rwmember a primarch is not a person

[slow pilot]

primarch lives matter!

[sage gale]

Its an inportant diatinction

[slow pilot]

are they like demi gods

[sage gale]

Sure a pwrson with limitless power would let it go to their head

But a primarch was made for that role

Atom by atom

[slow pilot]

well it didnt turn out will for that one that went all nurgal

i watched a lore video on his whole backstory

i cant spell their names

[viral juniper]

mortarion

[sage gale]

Guilliman is fully aware what he is

[slow pilot]

ya

mortarion the moth guy

[sage gale]

Guilliman wants you to think he doesnt

[slow pilot]

nurgal gave him moth wings

[sage gale]

Henwants you to think hes just a chum in a position of power

[slow pilot]

does he still shoot stuff

[sage gale]

Yeah he takea to the field

Guilliman wants you to under estimate him

And remember

He wrote the damn book on how to do it

[slow pilot]

nerd

[sage gale]

@slow pilot in other words, youve done exactly what guilliman wants you to do :)

[slow pilot]

[sage gale]

Which is why, imo, hes one of the current best written characters

[slow pilot]

what happened to the ones who betrayed the emp

did they rejoin other then the nurgle guy

im sure its a happy ending

[viral juniper]

[slow pilot]

its warhammer its always happy

[sage gale]

@slow pilot ever heard of a chaos space marine

[slow pilot]

ya

there were in Eisenhorn

[sage gale]

Or abbadon the despoiler

[slow pilot]

yes hes the one who destroyed cadia right

[sage gale]

Ye

Thats what happened to them

9 traitor legions

[slow pilot]

so they became assholes

[sage gale]

Sons of horus, now black legion
Thousand sons
Iron warriors
Death guard
World eaters
Emperors children
Night lords
Alpha legion
Word bearers

[sage gale]

Everyones an asshole

But lorgar is a paeticularly big one

And so we march for calth

[sage gale]

Iirc the mark of calth still runs 10k years later

[slow pilot]

do the primarcs live forever

[sage gale]

Uhhh

As far as we know

Unless they get oofed

[sage gale]

They are ageless but not immortal if that makes sense

[slow pilot]

so they dont age but you can shank them

[sage gale]

Yes

[sage gale]

Thwre are like 6 shanked primarchs

Horus
Sangy
Alpharius
Kurze
Maybe dorn

[slow pilot]

when does dark imereium tkae place? before or after avenging son

[sage gale]

Idr

I think

Avenging son is first

Ah yeah

@slow pilot avenging son takes place right after terra, dark.imperium is post indomitus crusade

[slow pilot]

do you tink hte books will run parallel at some point

do i have to read the other stuff becuase i havent

[sage gale]

You dont have to read everything

Just the individual series on order

[slow pilot]

i thought the siege of terra took place 10k years before

[sage gale]

Yes

?

[slow pilot]

you said it tkaes place right after terra

[sage gale]

@slow pilot terra got sieged again in the 41st milenium

Hy khorne daemons

Cuatodes kicked their shit in

Because based

[slow pilot]

oh ya that was in the opening

3 months before it

[sage gale]

Valerian and aleya was/wered a bloodthirster

Pretty rad

@Stratos#6701 i woul reccomend the watchers of the throne series

@slow pilot

[slow pilot]

ill look into it

[sage gale]

Is a Custodes story

But is very good

[gusty current]

ghilliesuit nearly got the shank too

but then cawl got him on that tony stark shit

[sage gale]

Guillimans nearly died several times

Keyword, nearly

[gusty current]

guiliman is basically pen pals, nearing first base with death at this stage

much to the dismay of that eldar chick

[main plover]

is the new update up?

[hearty niche]

yeah I'm downloading it now

[mellow knot]

This picture made me spit out my tea with giggling

[meager trench]

I think Guilliman's last encounter with Mortarion probably does count as a death, he just got bailed out of it by pops

[gusty current]

big E favoritism

[meager trench]

Well, he's the only son around right now so it's warranted

Other punks just couldn't stick around smh

[gusty current]

fair
he also shares E's view on the imperium

[gusty current]

Angron though...
E did him absolutely filthy

[meager trench]

Yeah shoulda killed him instead

[gusty current]

but fr Angron could have been one of the most loyal primarchs if Big E didnt leave his boys behind

still mad, but loyal to a fault

[meager trench]

I think the nails would've driven him to looney land regardless

DOA primarch

[gusty current]

fair
would have turned to Khorne way slower maybe

[ornate tangle]

Any good books on the Salamanders I just finished the Flight of the Esenstin

[slow pilot]

https://www.amazon.com/Salamanders-First-Step-Nonfiction-Animal/dp/0761341080/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?crid=14L94MJD4KQ4C&keywords=salamander+books&qid=1677093876&sprefix=books+on+salam%2Caps%2C243&sr=8-4

[slender willow]

Thanks

[slow pilot]

I'm really enjoying avenging son

Probably my favorite 40k book I've read so far

[graceful osprey]

compared to the inquisitor books its a much wider scale

[slow pilot]

All the books I have read have been with small groups of people.

I love how many people are involved

[graceful osprey]

you get that with the Horus Heresy too

Forges of Mars is another good trilogy with a large ensemble cast

[slow pilot]

Is forgers of Mars about techno priests

[graceful osprey]

tech priests yeah, but it's also about a mechanicum exploratory fleet on an expedition to the galactic fringe

so they bring along all kinds of support. cadians, titans, a rogue trader captain, some black templars

and the series is told from various points of view

[slow pilot]

@graceful osprey omg there are so many characters in dawn of fire

Its like game of thrones lol

[meager trench]

the scope starts out large, it narrows a lot as the novels progress. they focus on specific battlegroups, important actions, events that take place that are of note

[slow pilot]

@meager trench so far I have Gillimon, that scribe guy, Nora, the captain and the inquisiter. Is that right?

Forgot the names

[meager trench]

yeah, there are some sm characters that show up very intermittently, some that get killed off later, etc

[slow pilot]

How many books will there be

[meager trench]

to my knowledge they haven't said how many. it's just 'ongoing', and it might or might not end up tying into current campaign events. so far it kind of hasn't? in that psychic awakening is mentioned as an overall phenomenon, pariah nexus got its own novel but did get mentioned in the dark imperium series. but i feel like it might be trending towards maybe tying into arks of omen, as it starts out with the beginning of the indomitus crusade and more or less generally trends towards a chronological timeline proceeding forwards with each release. but then again, they could just space marine battles this. i think they won't, not with the retconned indomitus timeline and having what seems to be narrative events that shift things forwards

[slow pilot]

I saw in one place it said 9 books

Might have been Google pulling it out of its ass

[meager trench]

i do have a vague recollection of a stated limit, but it was from waaaaay back when the series was announced, and a fair bit has changed since then. most reference I could find to any limit instead handwaves it away as 'ongoing'

[quiet yew]

5 more days my lords

[mellow knot]

I have it on reasonably good authority that DoF is a series of nine.

[sage gale]

Til what

[slow pilot]

Dawn of fire books I think

Iron kingdom

[slow pilot]

Kinda hoped it would be another horus herecy

[sage gale]

Surely hope not

[slow pilot]

is there a list somewhere that has all the main characters of avenging son because im losing track

im forgetting their names not the characters

[zenith mountain]

lol haley writing

but more seriously

at the start of the pdf should have it

[shrewd silo]

Just finished angle exterminartist

Probably one of the best horus heresy books

[slow pilot]

whats a pdf

[zenith mountain]

a document format

[slow pilot]

do you have a link

[zenith mountain]

all the "characters":

[sage gale]

PSF is a file type that stores a dext document as a series of high wuality images

(Sort of)

[slow pilot]

ty im gana write them down for now on each time a new person in intraduced

[plain parrot]

That personae list has nothing on 'Saturnine'

[meager trench]

better that dawn of fire is more in the vein of TBA than HH. HH became a monstrous bunch of bloat at the end. characters with arcs that just got dropped, characters exclusive to audiobooks, storylines that had no real reason for being, filler novels left and right

with haley contributing regularly to it, i'm happy with it. every novel's been pretty good so far

[frank mirage]

Finished the first of the 3 stories within the book of martyrs about sister Ishani the hospitaller. Very interesting and well written with some nice twists and made me care about a character I wouldn't have otherwise

[quiet yew]

The End and the Death volume one

[drowsy urchin]

isn't the release tomorrow

[fluid yarrow]

For Iron Kingdom, yes.

[jolly thistle]

ADD FUCKING SOLO PLAY

[drowsy urchin]

you usually read books solo already

[tacit raft]

wrong discussion

[sage gale]

Thats tomorroe

[quiet yew]

Thought it was 28

[sage gale]

@quiet yew all releases are on saturdays

If you ordered it you may not get it until the 28th

But it hits shelves tomorrow

And i already own a copy, bought it cheaper than the rest of yall from my LGS

Nerds

[sage gale]

Yes its tomorrow

[zenith mountain]

HH had its issues but bluntly put Haley is not a quality writer

If you just wanted a good series, should have put Abnett or ADB as the "main writer"

we're just gonna get shit like Dark Imperium whenever Haley writes

[graceful osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/the-big-lebowski-opinion-thats-just-like-your-opinion-man-the-dude-dudeism-gif-25016112

[meager trench]

he hates haley so much it's funny

ADB would've been a TERRIBLE writer for dof

he specializes in grimderp and chaos marines with waifus, mostly. he's good at what he does but there is a 0% chance he would've been able to do anything with dawn of fire, given his style and lack of output

i'll take the guy who wrote some of the definitive BA 40k material, put TBA on his back and carried that series kicking and screaming to the finish line, can output novels at a reasonable pace, and has had great to incredible contributions to almost everything's he's touched every day of the week and twice on sundays

[zenith mountain]

TBA is not the sort of series you add to your "succes" column

also yes

"output novels"

that's all he does

he's the fast food franchise of BL, when BL was never known for quality to begin with

Guy Haley writing is like edible cardboard

it won't kill you but you're kidding yourself if you call it anything more than technically digestible

And nice memes but ADB actually can write characterization and multiple POV

Hell I'd have called McNeil the better gamble for Fire than Haley

Haley writes schlock

fast, trashy, but never good

the Blood Angels books couldn't even get nids right

[sage gale]

Tell me you've never read an ADB novel without telling me you've never read an ADB novel

Haley is jsut an awful writer

everything he writes is dry at best

[sage gale]

Graham McNeil is good I haven no idea why you blaphemize him like this lmao

He writes good stuff, if quite slow

[sage gale]

The Beast Arises is one of the worst novel series BL has ever put out

and that is largely because of haley

[zenith mountain]

McNeil is two face

[sage gale]

This is fair

[zenith mountain]

heads, you get a surprisingly okay novel with some cheesy "historical" references and some annoyingly flat side characterization

heads uh

yeah

also someone stage an intervention already

and tell him he can write an iron warrior novel thta doesn't reference storm of iron

or better yet without honsou

[sage gale]

lies

[zenith mountain]

honestly I legit want honsou to get spawned

not because I dislike his characterization though it is grating now

because the IW roster is literally just the storm of iron show in 30k

and the Honsou show in 40k

and they deserve better

and no that one dawn of fire thing barely counts

[sage gale]

L

Honsou is simply too based

Also

it's not like peter turbo or the IW have much going for them in the terms of being interesting anyway

they're entire characterization has been "muh imperial fists, muh dorn"

and yet they still carried the entire fucking heresy

[meager trench]

Tell me you have no idea what you're talking about, without telling me you have no idea what you're talking about

[meager trench]

Nopeasaurus rex bud

[sage gale]

My man really walked out of throne world and said

"yeah thats a good characterization of anyone in the book"

I loved the part where the aeldari threw themselves at the walls of terra and allowed themselves to be murdered somewhere where they will never get their precious soulstones back so they could tell an imperium that actively hates them that "muh chaos bad"

that was great writing

Guy Haley is an astounding author and really carried TBA

[meager trench]

lmfaooooo