40k-book-club

[timid cove]

2 fast 4 me, Agrargorn!

[tardy pecan]

yeah, this'll be a second run through for me, but the book is an absolute hoot, definitely do not mind a second go-around

[timid cove]

I'll also try putting up the next poll for the read when we're ready to discuss in Feb. 🙂

[hushed aurora]

I got Infinite and The Divine on route via mail already XD

[distant moon]

We’re reading up in here?

Do audiobooks count

[timid cove]

Sure do!

[ionic shore]

Im still catching up on hereticus (got like another 50 pages left) but guess thats offset by having already read infinite and divine as well haha

Is def a good pick for sure

[whole sand]

Thank the emperor, I already read magos. But I'm just now picking up infinite & divine on audio. It's got a surprising level of comedy. I'll be sad when I finish it

Is there more in the series? Or is it just the one?

[ionic shore]

infinte and divine?

[whole sand]

Ye

[ionic shore]

just the one I think

[hushed aurora]

Has anyone read the Mortarion book from the primarchs series? Any good?

[ionic shore]

prob other books about the characters it follows tho

[timid cove]

I think so as well, based on the description I was sent.

[whole sand]

I read buried dagger, but thatd as much knights errant, as it is death guard. But it was incredible!

I hope there's more trazyn books

He's my favorite Pokémon trainer

[ionic shore]

Apparently Trazyn has a cameo in Fabius Bile : Clonelord

[hushed aurora]

Im still waiting for a book following up on the Night Lords after that amazing ending in the omnibus

would love to see Decimus

[hearty niche]

Please don't leave us Aqshy I'll miss you I'm too attached

[devout crest]

Sorry I'm new to this what happens if I'm already 50 minutes away from finishing infinite and the devine?

[whole sand]

Felt that

[ionic shore]

haha yea, ||big rip for septimus and octavia tho||

[timid cove]

😄 I'm around, but mostly on Verm come February. I'll swing by here now and again ofc!

[hearty niche]

Catfish cannot replace the OG book club leader :(

[timid cove]

oh, just hang out until I put the discussion up and then participate! 🙂

[timid cove]

oh yes she can; her 40k knowledge is A+!

[frosty ice]

I think I've read The Infinite and the Divine at least four times by now

[devout crest]

Ok lol, the only thing I feel I can contribute to a discussion is that Trazyn is kind of a a**hole 😂

[frosty ice]

Easily my favorite 40k book

[timid cove]

not you Ian sorry!

person realized the wrong channel faster than I could redirect

[pale wing]

Lol agreed, Trazyn is a lil shit

[uncut sierra]

Reading Penitent right now. Infinite and the Divine will def be next on the list.

[inner depot]

As a reward for the Magos discussion you will be added to the FatShark server as chat filter servitor for eternity. Congratulation imperial citizen.

[heavy juniper]

yes! I read all of them I think. the one that just came out in the calendar last month and the one in the successors book as well. nightbleed, nightfall, the walker in fire, the crown of thorns, the greater evil, out caste, a sanctuary of wyrms, vanguard, fire and ice, the thirteenth psalm, the sins of my brothers, aria arcana. oh wait. I'm missing cast a hungry shadow, I'll save that for when I read spiral dawn I guess. I'm loving how chaotic it feels in my head to just read these in whatever order though, and remembering small things from the different short stories while I was reading requiem infernal was just beautiful.

[brave kernel]

@timid cove what does the six point reading streak mean? there was no info when i assigned the role so i dont actually know what books are being read right now

[timid cove]

I announce books here and in #📢news-bulletin. Each month you read a specified book and participate in the discussion. Discussion nets you a voucher for the next book and a "point". Reach a certain number of points and you get in-game rewards.

[brave kernel]

are most of the books going to be ones available like on ibooks, or are they being read through a specified website?

cause i may already have physical and digital copies of some books

[timid cove]

They are Warhammer books so they can normally be purchased on GW or BL websites, Amazon, or other book retailers. Also your local library may have some as well, depending.

Else if you receive a voucher they should be for black library digital downloads

(previous vouchers were for GW until recently)

[brave kernel]

okii ty, and if we have already read a book thats required do we need to reread it for that month? or just talk about it in the discussion?

[orchid herald]

Last chancers by gav thorpe. It fits in with the darktide so nicely already.

[orchid herald]

Emailed to us or assigned to our accounts?

[buoyant shore]

Praytell, would anyone be able to determine the difference?

[zenith mountain]

||the only good Trazyn story ever written||

[burnt ridge]

You shitting on the Infinite and the Divine?

Loved that book

[hollow bay]

infinite and divine was awesome, how could someone not like it lol

I just finished The Victory pt 2. last omnibus of Gaunt's Ghosts that came out last month, anyone else get to that yet?

[main plover]

I'm more interested in the in-game rewards because I usually buy Black Library ebooks anyway, but still thanks

[graceful osprey]

yeah, wild stuff. have you picked up the Vincula Insurgency?

it's a recent novella set early in the ghosts timeline like after necropolis

[hollow bay]

GD1? yeah got it sitting on my desk 😅

[graceful osprey]

nice

hoping dan abnett eventually finds time to finish Interceptor City, the double eagle sequel

[hollow bay]

That's next on my, agenda, getting into double eagle, then maybe Titanicus. Nice thing about Vin. Ins. is the fact it's numbered, implying their will be more of those too.

[graceful osprey]

oh yeah that would be great, as long as it doesn't mean he's struggling with the main series

double eagle is one of my favorite guard novels, and Titanicus was also excellent

Nick Kyme wrote a sabbat crusade tie in novel the other year, Volpone Glory. haven't read it yet

[hollow bay]

Idk DA's a pretty prolific writer, man's a machine lol. GG is by far my favorite 40k series, but hearing double eagle is yours makes me kinda hype to order it, guess ill add Titanicus too while im at it.

Gotta get something new now gaunt's ghosts is concluded, can't tell you how bittersweet it felt finishing that last page, definitely got to alleviate that.

[thorn bison]

I don't think they ever actually said it was done, just that he won't be working on it for a while.

[timid cove]

Voucher would likely be emailed to you

[random marlin]

I think the only one I didn't read is The sins of my brothers and I just purchased Aria Arcana, forgot it was out!

And yes, a huge part of the pleasure and originality of the Dark Coil is to be able to start it from anywhere and have a different experience from someone who started it somewhere else.

For instance, I started by reading Fire Caste and then Vanguard so when I read Requiem Infernal, I noticed characters who were present in both novels, and events which were echoed from one to the other. As you've read in a different order, you probably caught details I didn't between the stories, as for instance Requiem Infernal was the first time I heard about the Angels Resplendent, while you already knew about them when starting it.

That's one of the reasons why it's nice to read Fehervari's books again, to catch these links between the stories, with new ones with each new story.

For instance, in Fire Caste, there's a character who has kind of an epilogue in Requiem Infernal. As you didn't read Fire Caste yet, you don't know him, but you've seen the end of his story in Requiem Infernal.

Btw, what did you notice in Requiem Infernal which was linked to other stories? I'm kinda bad at making these links myself, I get some of them but when I went on a site detailing those links in the Dark Coil, I realized that there were more I had missed. But it's all right, it doesn't detract from enjoying the stories, it's just a playful experience to try and see these links. 🙂

[midnight wind]

So free delivery has to be over $80 CAD now. So stupid question, would a Special Edition, which is $80 plus tax, be eligible for free delivery?

From GW website btw

[thorn bison]

probably, doesn't it tell you if it is?

[midnight wind]

I won't know yet because the thing I want doesn't come out until Saturday so just curious from now

[thorn bison]

Ah right fair enough

[weak terrace]

Is there a list of books that would be considered “must read” due to their importance or impact on current or past story/lore? Like one involving robust gillyweed coming back/cadia being destroyed for a couple examples

[glass lintel]

📌 Messages

[weak terrace]

i forget about pins a lot lol

[graceful osprey]

all good, I'll dig just a little deeper into your question. the "modern" 40k setting is less a story that moves from series to series and more a bunch of single novels and short series that all take place within a few centuries of the end of the 41st millennium

there isn't an obvious "start here" but you can read about Cadia and Guilliman in Cadia Stands as well as Watchers of the Throne. the Dawn of Fire series and Dark Imperium trilogy pick up on Guilliman's ongoing storyline

[glass lintel]

I got so spoiled on Nightlords, Ciaphas Cain, and some of the Necron books for vocal performances. Dipped back into the HH for First Heretic where Curze sounds like the Sesame Street Count, and then Betrayer where Angron sounds like if Mr. Krabs smoked.

[burnt ridge]

Man, I love Dan Abnett's books, but I swear you can make a drinking game of how often he describes a female character to be wearing a body glove

[slow pilot]

Is anyone getting that new assassin book coming out on the 17th

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/1800262701?ref=ppx_pt2_mob_b_prod_image

[slow pilot]

@eternal kraken do you like cadian blood

[zenith mountain]

Honestly solid

You can tell it's ADB's early work but it's a nice simple concept handled well

[proven spoke]

I already bought it and read it, its amazing.

[slow pilot]

I'm reading it now.

Chapter 3

Going to bed though 😴

[proven spoke]

Aight, Good night.

[slow pilot]

Dogs bed time

Night

[glass lintel]

The outfit fit her like a glove.
Describe a piece of established technology in a way that contrasts with every other previous description of that tech, including his own.
Two paragraphs to describe a ten-second action. One paragraph to describe the environment of an entire planet. Three lines to describe a gun. One line to describe a character.
The fat, bloated, fatty-fat planetary governor's jowls bejiggled gluttonously. "Silence, you obese pig!" exclaimed the protagonist, who has an average BMI but also hurts because they're so veteran.
The protagonist won the fight because they knew about/accidentally hit the Emergency Self-Destruct cable on the enemy Daemon/Armor/Vehicle: exploderizing it instantaneously.
Extended description of how old and worn the protag's joints are from age and all the battles, which notably never impair an action scene.

I'd be dead before the halfway point of GG or Eisenhorn.

[heavy juniper]

new garro book up for preorder today 😀

[heavy juniper]

yeah, it's the type of armor they all wear all the time in the eisenhorn books 😂

[heavy juniper]

oh it was just a bunch of small things in requiem infernal, and I had already also read aria arcana and sins of my brothers before it as well. it's almost like having deja vu reading these dark coil stories and picking up more and more of the details. I have to read the reverie again I think, it was one of the first things I read and I barely understood anything going on at all. it's pretty satisfying how what happened with the resplendent/penitent is slowly sliding into place. just picked up physical copies of cult of the spiral dawn and fire caste from ebay last night! 😀

[burnt ridge]

I love the Eisenhorn books dearly.... but If I have to hear one more made up name for his sword attacks I'm gonna guzzle a whole bottle of 151 proof

It is okay to just say "I stabbed"

[golden portal]

I haven't read much of Abnett, been reading HH, Dark Imp and anything written by ADB. Just starting Eisenhorm w/ Xenos and it's been a great trip so far, just finished ||his escape from house Glaw with the naval action||. Looking forward to the rest

[slow pilot]

Are you getting kingmaker

[heavy juniper]

I got it already when it came out in hardcover. very very good

[slow pilot]

how its not out yet?

[real crater]

Twice dead king is such a depressing series. Every new development just fucks the necrons over

[heavy juniper]

it's just the paperback releases that are staggered so far behind for whatever reason. it came out hardcover/ebook/audiobook in april 2022.

[slow pilot]

do you know where i can get it hardcover?

[heavy juniper]

ebay maybe. I think it sold out very quickly from gw directly

[slow pilot]

once you have so many books i guess you cant always have them in stock

5 days until it comes so i might as well wait

i dont like audio books i like holding them

[heavy juniper]

seems like they really misjudge their print runs most of the time though. things sell out almost instantly on just the regular hardcover books as well, not just the "limited editions". yeah, same. it's so much better having the physical book 😀

[slow pilot]

should i read dark imperium before avenging son?

[heavy juniper]

I read the dawn of fire books before dark imperium. theyre fine on their own. there is some overlap in whats covered in them, I thought avenging son was told better, and.. just better hehe.

[slow pilot]

can i read the dawn of fire books without knowing anything about him

[heavy juniper]

robert rath also did a couple short stories featuring two of the assassins in kingmaker btw. not necessary before kingmaker, but I enjoyed them.

about who? guilliman? yeah

[slow pilot]

i have all 4 but im afraid to read them because i don't have a lot of knowledge on space marines yet.

[heavy juniper]

I think I had only read the eisenhorn trilogy and a couple of the horus heresy books before starting dawn of fire. it was no problem

[slow pilot]

i mostly read stuff about the astra militarum

[slow pilot]

I'm reading cadian blood at that ||death guard|| reveal legit gave me chills

[graceful osprey]

oh there's a few more pretty powerful moments in that one

[slow pilot]

I was getting bored because I thought it was just going to be soldiers going places and shooting stuff with no plot

[graceful osprey]

it starts off like a pretty bog standard cadians vs. zombies thriller

there's a few twists and turns in there

[slow pilot]

I do love cadians though

[graceful osprey]

yeah I wish Thade had gotten more stories

could make a book out of the warden-captain rank

[mellow knot]

Final piece with advice for would-be Black Library contributors:

https://www.trackofwords.com/2023/01/15/writing-for-black-library-open-submissions-january-2023-part-3-writing-samples/

[junior parrot]

Me and my dad have been playing WarHammer for the past year or so and we've wanted to get into the novels recently, we're wondering what a good novel is about the space wolves.

[graceful osprey]

I would try the Space Wolf Omnibus by William King and then Sagas of the Space Wolves by various authors

if that's kind of a lot you could also pick up Battle of the Fang by Chris Wraight which is just a single novel

[junior parrot]

Ok thanks

[drowsy urchin]

My favourite Space Wolves book is a Horus Heresy book but I think it still fits their 'current' theme quite well. It's called Prospero Burns

[junior parrot]

Sounds good thank you.

[slow pilot]

do i need to read anything before the dawn of fire novels

[drowsy urchin]

maybe The Devastation of Baal?

but nothing that is a must read

maybe some summary about Gathering Storm

https://www.trackofwords.com/2021/01/10/black-library-new-40k-reading-list/#Crusade

this is a pretty good list of era indomitus novels to read and in witch order

[slow pilot]

im new to warhammer and am just worried about what to read becuase i only know the basic level of the lore

[drowsy urchin]

well dawn of fire ought to be a pretty good place to start

[slow pilot]

i have read grim repast and steel tread. right now im at chapter 4 in cadian blood

got all 4 dawn of fire books for Christmas

[drowsy urchin]

if you already have them you can just as well start them

only thing you might want to look into is Guilliman and his resurrection before hand

[slow pilot]

im listening to the way out right now

no book only audio available

[random marlin]

That's a nice horror story. 🙂

[slow pilot]

just finished it. it was good but i called the ending 10 minutes in.

are there any good female lead novels

[graceful osprey]

Mark of Faith by Rachel Harrison

also Honourbound

there's also Double Eagle, Outgunned, Rites of Passage, and the Shira Calpurnia arbites novels

but those are all written by guys so ymmv

Requiem Infernal is another one

plenty more that I'm forgetting

assume every sisters book is female driven 😛

[slow pilot]

this looks good but i cant find it anywhere

finaly a book that is in first person but i cant find it

[graceful osprey]

black library doesn't do a lot of reprints. if you're looking for anything more than a few years old that isn't extremely popular your only options are ebook or audiobook

or looking for a used copy from some independent bookseller

[slow pilot]

ugggg

[slender willow]

Steel Tread, always

[graceful osprey]

oh shit yeah that's a good one

[slow pilot]

read that

any good first person point of view books

[slender willow]

A few of the Deathwatch shorts have good female Inquisitorial agents but 9/10 they die

[graceful osprey]

Eisenhorn

[slender willow]

Inquisitor Omnibus has a lot of good POV stuff

I think it's called Omnibus. Collection of stories. You get the gist. That one.

[slow pilot]

i go through books fast lol

[slender willow]

Same

[graceful osprey]

Ciaphas Cain

and Helsreach which is a classic

[slow pilot]

i got foot surgery so i am sitting for 6 months

[random marlin]

Same for me, it was a very classic horror story (so, predictable in a way) but done right as the atmosphere was there for me.

[graceful osprey]

spear of the emperor is another first person POV book

[random marlin]

Isn't Requiem Infernal a first person POV book too? Unless if you want only one character's POV, in which case it's not.

[graceful osprey]

same deal with Eisenhorn and Ravenor

the other characters POV are all in third

[restive onyx]

Just finished Brutal Kunnin by Mike Brooks. Great book from the POV of Orks and Mechanicus.

[slow pilot]

Are the dawn of fire books the current timeline

Like is each book the most recent thing to happen

[stuck raven]

Has anyone read any Warhammer crime series? And how were they?

[zenith mountain]

they haven't read Godblight

lolmao

Yeah they're better off 🤣

[drowsy urchin]

It was fine

[slow pilot]

would make a great movie

[slow pilot]

i read grime repast. its a lot of him talking to himself so if you dont like the character you are screwed

i lost focus a few times.

[slow pilot]

is pariah any good

[drowsy urchin]

Bequin: Pariah? It is very good

But I recommend going through the Eisenhorn and Ravenor books beforehand

[glass lintel]

||But that means having to read the Eisenhorn books 😔 ||

[graceful osprey]

Dark Imperium takes place after Dawn of Fire

I don't have Arks of Omen so i'm not sure when that is in relation to the plague wars

which is covered in Dark Imperium

but that's a finished trilogy and Dawn of Fire is an ongoing series which takes place earlier in the timeline

so this kind of stuff is why we recommend you not think too hard about reading everything in order

at some point Dawn of Fire is supposed to catch up to Dark Imperium

[graceful osprey]

grim repast was also my least favorite but otherwise I'd say all of the warhammer crime books are pretty good to great

I don't think Marc Collins is a bad author I enjoyed Void King but I also didn't really like Grim Repast's main character

Bloodline was my favorite of the detective novels with an honorable mention to the Wraithbone Phoenix for being about abhuman criminals

Flesh and Steel is good if you like the mechanicum

[frank mirage]

Does anyone know if there are actual physical copies of ciaphas cain savior of the imperium?

And can anyone recommend ne some good sororitas books that don't cost me hundreds :)

[thorn bison]

The only Sororitas book I've read is Book of Martyrs but I'd say it was pretty good

[eternal kraken]

@slow pilot hey man, bit of a late reply sorry lol, I haven't been on at all lately but nice good to see you got Cadian Blood,I still haven't gotten round to reading it yet how is it?

[graceful osprey]

there's one on ebay for $102 so probably not

there were physical copies, I have one in my possession, but it's an older omnibus that's out of print

[frank mirage]

I've never seen that listing

I have defender and hero so far

[graceful osprey]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/144895786559?epid=242677251&hash=item21bc763e3f:g:eaQAAOSwIaBjvmF9&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAsLQjANxUkPP8hsFCWUU5A4KQvfI1KqcB%2B%2F3QYeJAk6eNdJUgTPGUVgB9HnbMQrLSX9U6Ee4NNnrSHpUznsw2UQ3Om9ac4tVxcujUhTiJv8qS91e4D%2BSDqp5S0Y3f1BYieHUv%2Fp4s9lnp05nI2goFy7CjIPyiWA6%2Fm4NjsfYnHg8oF8zl7tbl4lk1ro%2B08ksNY5ErJB0C4CCG87TLIdNBATL3xE85CZa%2FaqwrRPguWfal|tkp%3ABk9SR8zB_KG3YQ

[frank mirage]

Damn

[graceful osprey]

black library does infrequent reprints so there's not zero chance of them reselling it but they lean heavily on ebook and audiobook sales for the older stuff

[frank mirage]

I hate ebooks sadly

[graceful osprey]

cain is a pretty popular series so maybe they'll do another run sometime

[frank mirage]

Managed to get both others for 10 ea h while defender sometimes gets resold for 100 aswell

Also snagged an infantrymans handbook 2022 edition recently

[graceful osprey]

yeah I saw a copy of hero for fairly cheap on barnes and noble

sometimes independent booksellers don't realize what they have

but looks like saviour and defender are scarce rn

[frank mirage]

Yep but I'm just loving cains stories

[graceful osprey]

always a chance something affordable could pop up on ebay or somewhere

[frank mirage]

It's why I instantly snagged the defender of the imperium one for 10 bucks within a day of it being available

[graceful osprey]

that sucks though. 😦 this can be a common thing with the catalogue sadly. kindles are pretty cheap these days, I understand the aversion but it might be worth overcoming for access to all the old books

[slow pilot]

It started out a little generic then had a big reveal that gave me chills and it's been awesome since then. I'm up to page 130.

I'm trying to finish it before kingmaker comes in the mail

[zenith mountain]

it was awful

[drowsy urchin]

nah

[slow pilot]

is dawn of fire the equivalent of the horus heresy

is it the next big arc

[wicked tree]

We'll have to wait and see. But it is the latest series following the indomitus crusade and other events currently happening in the setting. As you can imagine, focused around the astartes

[slow pilot]

are they evil space marines (or more evil i guess)

i still somewhat new to warhammer

only read 3 books

[graceful osprey]

the indomitus crusade is a massive effort to stabilize the Imperium, the space marines fighting for it are loyal to the Emperor

there are books about chaos (evil) space marines but the dawn of fire series is about roboute guilliman & friends

[wicked tree]

^

Mainly the chapters at the orders of guilliman, fighting chaos

[graceful osprey]

yeah most of the characters are space marines under guilliman's command although he does show up throughout

[slow pilot]

i thought he was dead though

[graceful osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/montypython-igotbetter-gif-5528939

sorry I guess that's spoilers then but its a big plot point after cadia falls

Guilliman was wounded in battle with Fulgrim by a poison blade thousands of years ago and placed in stasis

when the great rift opens, he wakes up

there's more to it than that but that's the tl;dr

[slow pilot]

there is a book that looked interesting called pariah i think. has any1 read it?

[slow pilot]

||does he die in dark imperium?||

[graceful osprey]

ohhhh

no shpoilersh

|| he does die in the third book sort of but without explaining the ending once the book is over he's not dead ||

[slow pilot]

Ok that's all I wanted to know

Thanks

[graceful osprey]

[graceful osprey]

Pariah is very good, but while they don't advertise it well its part of a longer series

it goes Eisenhorn books 1-3, Ravenor 1-3, Eisenhorn 4 (The Magos), then Pariah followed by Penitent

Pariah is about a supporting character from the earlier books who gets promoted to protagonist of her own series

[slow pilot]

I already ordered eisonhorn

I need to go to bed now ttyl

[graceful osprey]

night!

[orchid herald]

eta for book club vouchers?

[lean maple]

Need a name of a book that had sisters of battle and imperial guard fighting orks. Saw it here in the discord, wrote it down and threw the paper out by mistake. Could anyone help? (Googling slowly)

[timid cove]

Still waiting on GW; if I don't hear back, I'll figure something out.

[slow pilot]

All the sisters of battle books are out of print right now.

[lean maple]

Its ok. I can find my way into them. Cant find the artwork of the cover that I remember.

[slow pilot]

I want to read some but I guess they aren't popular

[lean maple]

You survived Cadia, it will be easy for you to find some on the many many sites online.

[slow pilot]

i want one new

[slow pilot]

Lore books are here

A fine addition to my collection

[drowsy temple]

why do people poop on that one 40k lore author who left to make his own fantasy novels

[slow pilot]

do i have to read ravenor becuase its out of print right now

[stiff dagger]

Who exactly?

Also its funny all ither codexes go for over 40 e but i got knight codex for 20 e

[graceful osprey]

I guess you don't technically but parts might be confusing. some of the characters in Eisenhorn recurr in Ravenor

but if you can find a copy of the Magos you could probably skip it

[slow pilot]

i have all the eisenhorn books can i read them then go right to pahrai

[graceful osprey]

so yeah actually probably

I think the Magos takes place before Pariah but Pariah was written first

[slow pilot]

so i can read eisenhorn 1 - 4 then pariah and penitent

and skip over the other

because i cant find it

[graceful osprey]

yeah it's been a while so some of the minor characters might have like story arcs from Ravenor that you missed

but I don't think anything would be completely confusing

[slow pilot]

i will take your word for it

[slow pilot]

what sort of stuff will i not understand though. any important characters or plot points?

[graceful osprey]

I don't remember all of the books if anyone is around who has read them more recently they may be able to give a better answer

but both Eisenhorn and Ravenor are prominent characters in Pariah

so without the Ravenor books yeah a few

[slow pilot]

cant find them printed anywhere

why would they keep the other books in print but not those?

[graceful osprey]

the Ravenor omnibus only came out a few years ago I'm surprised it's out of print tbh

actually I might be thinking of the most recent reprinting

[slow pilot]

by the time i get that far they might be back

oh is omnibus all hte novels in 1?

[graceful osprey]

yeah they rotate books in and out of print, the omnibus I'm thinking of was a reprint from 2019

[slow pilot]

its 118 used

[graceful osprey]

the first omnibus was published in 2009

may come back sooner than that or pop up on ebay for cheaper

[slow pilot]

60 for all of them on ebay but i want them new for my collection

[graceful osprey]

yeah I was just going to say I'm finding used paperback copies of the individual novels for fairly cheap

[slow pilot]

i have time it will take me a month to get through them

[graceful osprey]

so that's an option

[slow pilot]

if not i will just get them used then get them new when they are reprinted

[graceful osprey]

cheapest I could find the first one was 20 bucks but i see 2 and 3 for 10 each

[slow pilot]

thanks for the help. sorry i bother you so much lol.

[graceful osprey]

all good hope you find something affordable

[slow pilot]

[eternal kraken]

@slow pilot That sounds rather interesting,I was a bit to busy reading a non warhammer book called Spearhead by Adam Makos and now you have me torn I'm not sure if I want to start on Cadian Blood or another 40k book called Sanction & Sin...hmm,and I'm still waiting on a book about the imperial navy,that's kind of the downside about bring in australia,warhammer books can be a bit harder to find and can take a while to get here

hmm,maybe I'll hold off on Cadian Blood for now. I kind of feel like if I read it now it will get my hyped up to play darktide again but...hmm,really want an update on whats going on with the game before I let myself get back into it again,but keep me updated on Cadian Blood and let me know what you thought of it when you finish it!

[slow pilot]

Little more than half finished so I will let you know soon

My only real complaint is there are too many characters names that start with z so I'm getting confused sometimes lol

Part 1 is slow but part 2 is crazy

[eternal kraken]

@slow pilot haha I get that,sometimes I have a hard to with pronounceing some names in the 40k universe myself. part 2 is crazy? really intrigued now, ugh maybe I'll have to start reading it soon anyway, I just started reading Sanction & Sin today and I'm really liking it so far,been loving a lot of the new 40k crime series so far,it's something really different...tell you what it's the perfect day for it as well,cold and rainy here today lol.

but yeah,really looking forward to hearing what you thought about it when your finished,just no spoilers!

@wild quest hmm,not to sure honestly man,I kind of really don't like reading Ebooks if I can help it. if you do I'm it will tell you before you buy it and I don't think you should have to pay for the app. sorry I can't really be of more help. hopefully someone else might know

[obtuse elm]

I know the ETA about GW's vouchers was answered recently, but do we have an ETA on the in-game reward for bookclub?

[proper portal]

So I'm reading a Ciaphus Cain book and he's having a dream where Slaanesh threatens to eat his soul

Is that like, an actual attempt on his life by Slaanesh? Because that sounds like a dream with very real consequences if it went bad. Plus, he had to be woken up by Jugen of all people to escape, which also points to warp fuckery.

[heavy juniper]

they are epub (and mobi) files. I send them to my kindle to read

[glass sparrow]

I know it's a late reply buy who are you referring to? Was it Gav Thorpe or Ian Watson were you talking about?

[graceful osprey]

its difficult to find old copies even in the US but if by some miracle you can get ahold of Execution Hour and Shadow Point by Gordon Rennie, they're pretty awesome imperial navy books

sadly part of a cancelled trilogy

there have been occasional rumors about GW planning a new version of battlefleet gothic. if that ever happens it'll be our best chance for some new imperial navy books

Relentless by Richard Williams is another old one

lol I reread your message, you're literally waiting on one in the mail

sorry to bother you

[bleak oak]

Anyone know where I could get the salamanders ring of fire series that isnt obscenely priced?

Just finished rebirth and i yearn for mroe

[hollow prairie]

the omnibus is 19 dollars on kindle

[slow pilot]

i got xenos in the mail but the spine has wrinkles on it 😦

[eternal kraken]

@graceful osprey hey man,yeah Execution Hour is the one I'm waiting on now! I was thinking of buying the others as well but...hmm,well already spent a bit to much money on books these pass few weeks so I thought maybe another time haha- and all good! would be really cool if those rumors are true though, always wanted to know a bit more about just what life would be like serving in the imperial navy

[graceful osprey]

Execution Hour is great

would also love more navy stuff. there are some space battles in the rogue trader omnibus and I think in solar war but its always something happening in books about something else

I think they give the black library authors room to pitch their own ideas but it's still all about selling models

[cosmic stump]

ohhh, good taste

very rare Imperial Navy book

[magic prawn]

Are there still books written and set before the indomitus crusade timeline besides HH series? Stopped reading around the time that was launched, have like one or 2 set in indomitus but I'm too tired to learn all the new lore and unit names lol

[timid cove]

Hey, it's gonna be a while longer as they need to be rolled out and active into a patch. I'm speaking to the team on what we can get you all who participated in the meantime.

[glass sparrow]

so after reading bloodlines I actually enjoyed it. It was nice to see a main character that was shown to be not in the fittest of health and had more then a handful of flaws, but still willing to do what was needed to be done. spoiler bit next: ||so after thinking about it for quite a bit, I highly suspect that his scar is a result of a genestealer implant, whilst the odd chance the cult bit is actually tied to slaanesh I highly doubt it since zidarov shows no signs of wanting for more, heavy usage of drugs or alcohol, nor even the pursuit of being... well perfect. He just wants to keep his family safe and be with them at the end of the day.||

[drowsy urchin]

well pretty much anything released before 2017

if you want to go way back to just after HH there is the Beast Arises series

well "right" after, 1000-2000 years after iirc

[magic prawn]

Thanks seems like I stopped at a good time then haha

[mellow knot]

You can pitch stuff but they have a specific publishing schedule that often fits into whatever’s coming out of the studio. So you might pitch a story that fits with a specific faction, but it might not fit the schedule for months.

[slow pilot]

finished cadian blood

some parts dragged but had some great momments

[shrewd silo]

I was thinking e Age of Apostasy would have books but it's literally like 1 audio drama and codex entires.
Age of Apostasy is how the sisters of battle became a thing since there was massive holywars in the 36k

[slow pilot]

henrey cavil would make a good eisenhorn

would be great to do the inquisitor saga

the 10th and last book is coming out soon

[shrewd silo]

It would like that but I feel like they would butcher the whole thing

Also esinhorn has a paralysed face since the first book.
So he can literally not make any other face then slightly pissed off.

[thorn bison]

He's said he likes the idea but that he doesn't want to lose the chance to play someone like Constantin Valdor or one of the primarchs

I think Eisenhorn could do well as an animated series if done correctly

[glass lintel]

I feel like in Hollywood, there's this major impetus to go and hire the character, when what you're supposed to be doing is hiring the actor, y'dig? Marvel's an easy example:

Captain America as played by Chris Evans: another hunky superhero. When brought-on for propaganda, Cap was exactly what you wanted from America. He was strong, handsome, and charming. This completely fell apart when the actor and character failed to portray the nuances and turmoil of this extension of America, remaining a pretty and ideal postcard all throughout.

Then, we see Robert Downing Junior as Iron Man. A disaffected playboy struggling with substance abuse and ego as they attempt to reform their public persona and better themselves. The character was magnetic, and easily helped to carry and films they were in.

With this in mind, if we're set on Henry Cavill, let's not try to find where he could possibly fit, which is just about any white guy in the setting. Which character could Cavill - this charismatic, beautiful man beloved by all - bring a personality to that no other actor could emulate?

Well friends, it's simple:

[thorn bison]

I just hope that if he becomes Fulgrim we get equally good actors for Jaghatai and Ferrus

He might make a good Sanguinius as well

But I'm not as certain about that one

[glass lintel]

I believe the joke may have been missed.

[thorn bison]

It sure was, I cannot see comedy anywhere in what you wrote. I know Jaghatai was being funny when talking to Fulgrim but I don't see what the "joke" was meant to be

[glass lintel]

The joke/analysis being that there's all these calls for a grizzled badass or perfect golden god as roles for Henry Cavill, when the role of "person abusing position of power and undue influence over people they hold major sway over while being lauded by the public despite the warning signs" is right there.

This functions both as a "shocker: successful man in Hollywood is a creep" comment, and a joke on a more fitting character.

[thorn bison]

So what you're saying is he should play a creep because he is one?

Well, the creep primarch, that is

[glass lintel]

Well, no. I don't think creeps should get work.
The joke is that if they were to play a character, then Fulgrim is tonally fitting.

Same way as like, Jared Leto with their messiah complex being a good Lorgar, or Patton Oswald as Guilliman because they're in everything for some reason and nobody really seems to be able to justify why.

[shrewd silo]

I think that 40k like gaunt's ghosts, chiapas cain or esinhorn would be great live action but when it come to HH make it anime.
To be clear not cartoon anime style like studio trigger over the top space marine drama

HH is just so much more space marines been drama queens the whole time and the primarchs been massive op divas

[thorn bison]

You thinking an animation style like Astartes or Arcane?

That'd be fun

[cosmic stump]

I do hope they start with Gothic War

you don't need Astartes to make 40K looks cool

[thorn bison]

Certainly not, I would personally like to see some Eldar or Necron stuff

[mellow knot]

No, but you also need to look at the lowest common denominator and 40k is well known for its Space Marines. Like any franchise adaptation, the core fan base isn’t the target demographic.

Better by far (in my humble opinion) to write new copy and not adapt something that already exists.

[timid cove]

<@&1016281173720309760> The vouchers and in-game rewards are taking longer than expected. This Sunday I will go to those who met the six month streak with options for some keys while you wait. I apologize for the delay here. Going forward, there will be some larger changes to the book club that will expand participation and rewards to more people, and we'll announce those when we're ready.

[hearty niche]

Hi Aqshy

[spice zenith]

Durn

[severe gale]

I love you

[lofty basalt]

Yall doing the necron one soon right?

[storm stump]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735588196410196071/1008735521004064919/ogrynfloss_opt.gif

[buoyant shore]

Man, I've already been listening to the audiobook.

Excellent.

[lofty basalt]

This one's pretty good too

[frosty ice]

Necron books are bangers

Infinite and the Divine, Twice Dead King, Severed

[tardy pecan]

those are probably next up on my list after i finish godblight

[magic prawn]

Are the necron books like a series or can I read them standalone

[drowsy urchin]

twice dead king books are a series

the infinite and the divine is a stand alone novel

severed is somehow linked to twice dead king iirc

[slow pilot]

I haven't started it yet

Book 4 is huge

[shrewd silo]

nicejust letting you know

book 4 is really like book 7

[slow pilot]

why would you though i havent started it

i know about the order already

[shrewd silo]

all good then

book 4 has like every short story between books to

[slow pilot]

i can skip hte short storys right?

[shrewd silo]

if you want to but they are pretty great

but its like read book 1 then the first short from magos then the second book then the second short etc

but they give back story and character to a lot of the side characters

my favourite is the one with his old boss

[hybrid bloom]

I'm interested specifically in lore and stories from wh40k. Which book should I get first?

nvm PINS

[slow pilot]

cadian blood, steel tread, eisenhorn xenos or avenging son.

but eisenhorn is a entier rabbit hole of books

[hybrid bloom]

decided to go with eisenhorn xenos. Already in chapter 3

[slow pilot]

https://www.trackofwords.com/2021/02/14/a-guide-to-dan-abnetts-inquisition-series/

[hybrid bloom]

thanks!

[slow pilot]

[slow pilot]

damn i just started reading Eisenhorn last night and im already on page 69 (nice)

[slow pilot]

Eisenhorn is my new favorite warhammer character. Introduced him by shoving his giant ass gun in someone's mouth.

He does have some ridiculous plot armor though lol

I like how he knows he's not a hero

[copper sphinx]

i would defi not skip the short stories

they're well worth reading

[burnt ridge]

Listening through Gate of Bones ATM, seems the Guard General might be gay, but can't find the spelling for his name anywhere

Lucien something

Has a pocket watch with an engraving from someone named Murray that sounds like something from a spouse

[heavy juniper]

Lucerne?

fancy pants limited edition print of helsreach up on gw for preorder today

[burnt ridge]

Actually think it was Luther, listening while working a package sorting machine I don't always hear fine details

Found him https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Luthor_Dvorgin

[slow pilot]

I'm so tierd that instead of typing gamesworkshop.com I typed fancypants.com

[lofty basalt]

I think I remember him smiling once after that..

oh. he did but it was an oops IG

[lofty basalt]

twice dead king is a 2 book series, the other one I responded to Infinite and the Divine is a standalone novel if I remember right.

TDK books are Ruin then Reign

[tacit raft]

cool books btw

[shrewd silo]

the fact it was retconned is a good choice tbh

if i was making a tv series of it i would never have his face permanently paralysed

[glass lintel]

Okay, I need to know since I think Abnett is a weak author:
Why is he your favorite character? Is it the cool-factor? Who was your favorite prior?

[slow pilot]

I think he's cool

Didn't have a real favorite before him

[slow pilot]

Abnett is my favorite

[shrewd silo]

whos a strong 40k author because i like abnett and Aaron Dembski-Bowden

[glass lintel]

I haven't read much of Crowley or Rath beyond their necron books, but I began with the Ciaphas Cain books, and Dembski-Bowden's Nightlords.

I feel like Abnett and a lot of other authors for the setting don't do anything with the 40k setting that couldn't be transplanted into like . . . Star Wars. I was reading through Gaunt's Ghosts, and it felt like the same dynamics and stakes as The Bad Batch.

Dembski-Bowden is good at bittersweet and hard-fought stories. They give you a good feeling as to why their characters specifically survived to the end of the book (or didn't), and the Night Lords really spoiled with the main conflict being different arguments on where to steer the legion, rather than fighting other marines or Xenos.

I also enjoy how they're able to shift the voice of the text with each book. All of the dialogue and descriptions have some quality to them unique to the setting. Night Lords feels really cold, and sharp. Talons of Horus is swirling and arcane, and Betrayer feels blunt and heated.

Abnett has the same voice for all of their books. If someone tried to tell me that Loken, Gaunt, and Eisenhorn were some kind of Skywalker-style legacy family where everyone came from the same common ancestor, I'd believe you.

[slender willow]

Honestly I think the best 40k I've read in a while was Lords of Silence

It showed the inner workings of a Chaos ship, the inner fighting that even included other gods, so on

The characters were understandable, human, fleshed out

It was good

[thorn bison]

Lords of Silence is definitely one of the better books I've read in a while too, I'm currently working my way through the Siege of Terra series so we'll see if those hold up to the high praise people give them

[burnt ridge]

They did my White Consuls so dirty

[slender willow]

Yeaaaaah it wasn't a good time to be a loyalist

[fleet arrow]

Anybody take advantage of GWs offer on kharne the betrayer, they are selling the audio book for 10bucks

Also Dante is a great audiobook like the guys voice forget his name

[slow pilot]

based

[mellow knot]

Gareth Armstrong?

[frank mirage]

got myself the book of martyrs for 10€which is arriving tomorrow so hopefuly some nice sororitas stories

[young rover]

Just started Wrath of the Lost

cant help but hearing the voice actors from Hunger everytime I read it

[hearty niche]

@timid cove Just checking in, have you checked in with those who met the 6 month streak for this Sunday? I wasn't sure if I counted or not, haven't received a message regarding it yet

[timid cove]

Not yet. Been on the comedy of errors that is flight cancellation and lost luggage 😐

[fleet arrow]

Yes it is Garett Armstrong love his voice, only sort of confusing with multiple young characters, but tons of emotion

[eternal kraken]

@timid cove Vouchers and in-game rewards? I'm sorry I'm kind of new here, how does that work?

[mellow knot]

Hooray! I remembered!

[spice zenith]

Did i miss the meeting?

[timid cove]

No it hasn't been posted yet. I'm trying to follow up on vouchers and in game rewards still. I'll update once I have more news and hear from the parties involved in getting these out the door.

[frank mirage]

book of martyrs arrived :D

[zenith mountain]

The new 40k TTRPG looks great

like a return to the glory days of Dark Heresy

where the books were basically worldbuilding as much as rules

[spice zenith]

oh?

[spice zenith]

ah, the 4 40k systems

rouge trader, dark heresy, only war and death watch

[wanton harbor]

Wait hold up, you mean the Rogue Trader game or there was an announcement of a new TTRPG?

[zenith mountain]

The latter

looks like Dark Heresy 3.0

[wanton harbor]

Can I get a link? Only thing I found was Wrath and Glory

[slow pilot]

im not buying books through amazon anymore

it looks like he tried to fold the book in half

[zenith mountain]

https://cubicle7games.com/our-games/warhammer-40k-roleplay-imerium-maledictum

[slender willow]

yeesh

[frank mirage]

I'd instantly tell Amazon it either didn't arrive depending on how delivered or that it arrived broken for new one

[timid cove]

yeah I would definitely write them and say it came damaged

[timid cove]

hello, if you participated in #1047432215589552138 in December I have messaged you regarding some rewards to fill in the time you're waiting for vouchers. If you participated in this discussion and have since changed your username on Discord or have friends only DMs, I cannot message you to get these things to you.

[slow pilot]

Already started a return

I'm only buying books from the site now

[frank mirage]

luckily ive never had problems with amazon book delivery

my book of martyrs arrived in perfect condition

[slow pilot]

When I ordered them off the site they came in a box

[frank mirage]

i like the packaging amazon uses for books atm its nice to reuse

[wanton harbor]

Oh goddamn thanks

[noble turret]

No Black Crusade?

[slow pilot]

they send it to me in a carboard envelope

[swift beacon]

i’ve never heard of that until today

[slow pilot]

they must hate me lol

the guy chucked it like 10 feet

[swift beacon]

jesus, i always got mine in a bubble sealed package. Never heard of that before. Even then, if a guy chuck it like that. I’d be pissed, gotta call amazon for a refund at that point.

[slow pilot]

im sticking with the website. it may take longer but i know its not going to come half open.

[valid jay]

If I wanna learn about blood angels what's the first book to read?

[thorn bison]

Well there's the Omnibus

[heavy juniper]

yeah, sons of sanguinius omnibus is an ok start. there's some flesh tearers stuff there, the death of integrity novel, sin of damnation the space hulk story, and short stories with dante and mephiston. and some james swallow short stories, there's also a full separate omnibus with his stories on rafen. the main current story for blood angels is the dante trilogy, dante/devastation of baal/darkness in the blood. then you've got the mephiston trilogy of books which takes place after darkness in the blood but focused on mephiston of course, and 'astorath angel of mercy' takes place in between there as well but it's a bit inconsequential. the sanguinius primarch book is still available physically, that's worth a pickup. and obviously sanguinius is in a lot of the horus heresy books. haven't read the new flesh tearers book yet that just came out, wrath of the lost, it looks like it's the most recent book chronologically as well.

[frank mirage]

James swallow

[random marlin]

Anybody started reading the Astra Militarum short stories published this week? Are they more of the "heroic, war and the imperial guard are awesome" type (Cadia Stands, Gaunt's Ghosts) or more of the "satirical, grim, nihilistic" type (Dead Men Walking, Fire Caste)?

[lusty elm]

Jesus I'm reading my first 40k novel and it's already super dark

[mellow knot]

Welcome to 40k.

[thorn bison]

Ooo, which one?

Also yeah, welcome

[lusty elm]

Witchseeker, one of the new ones someone recommended

Witchbringer*

[thorn bison]

Is that the Guard one?

[lusty elm]

Guard turned psyker

[thorn bison]

Yeah alright, haven't read it yet but I've heard good things

[random marlin]

It's probably the one I'll read next after The Infinite and the Divine and the Peter Fehervari's newest short story.

[frank mirage]

one i can so far recommend is the ciaphas cain omnibuses

although you will 100% never find the third one lol

[heavy juniper]

enjoyed witchbringer a lot. very nice

[heavy juniper]

lol. just looked on ebay and someone had defender of the imperium used paperback listed for £100 😂 NOPE. they need to reprint these!

[frank mirage]

i got defender for 10 bucks

but saviour is non existent

literally

[heavy juniper]

yeah. it's like it doesn't exist physically hehe

[frank mirage]

it does exist

but noone sells it at all

atm i got 2 rare warhammer books it seems

the 2022 edition of the infantrymans handbook, and defender of the imperium

[thorn bison]

All editions of the handbook are rare as they only release like seven every rotation

[proper portal]

So i finally finished reading the first Ciaphus Cain omnibus, and damn it was great. I really loved || his duels with World Eaters, holy crap he's actually as good as his reputation. ||

[magic prawn]

Did they ever release any more books about that night lords trilogy with Talos? I remember like a one-off short story featuring them vs salamanders but that was it

[frank mirage]

found mine at my local gun shop for 25€ :D

appareantly gets resold for over 100

[spiral panther]

I love Ciaphas Cain, guy wants to save himself and accidentally is being a proper badass everytime

I loved the part where some soldier said "DO YOU WANT TO LIVE FOREVER?!" and Cain said "Only people in badly written Military Novels talk like that" as a jab at Gaunts Ghosts

lmao

[frank mirage]

i also love how every now and then there are notes from the inquisitor censoring the book lol

like "this has never happened the inquisition would never do this"

[heavy juniper]

I think it's a jab at the starship troopers novel

[frank mirage]

also jurgen being just a bro

[spiral panther]

very good commissar

[glass lintel]

That's not censoring: Cain is an unreliable and biased narrator who's knowledge of the Imperium is limited to what keeps him alive.

One of my favorite parts of the book Cain getting something wrong, only for his biographer to have to try to correct him with a propagandistic history book.

"I looked to the sky, and saw no fewer than 20 chapters of space marines deploying!"
Note: Cain is unfortunately incorrect here, as 20 chapters deploying is unheard of outside of major crusades and wars . . . of which this was not one. See this resource:
UNLIKE MY SMOOTH-BRAINED RIVAL MAY SAY, THE CRUSHING DEFEAT OF THE T'AU Extended rant about the T'au removed for brevity WAS THANKS TO THREE GUARD REGIMENTS, AND TWO MARINE CHAPTERS!

[fleet arrow]

I really like Dante, it’s expensive to get a physical copy so that may be a deal breaker but the audiobook is fantastic, it goes over the creation of a blood angel as well as there fatal flaws, it also introduces you to Dante which according to the book is a very almost Guant like character with more edgy yet everything in warhammer is edgy so that’s not a fair description, Dante is in my opinion granted it isn’t very learned, very true to what a blood angel really is, I may be wrong on this but that is where I started with the blood angels and I do not regret it

[spiral panther]

just finished the new garro book

🥲

[heavy juniper]

🥲

[west plaza]

The whole joke is that he is a coward who thinks he is failing everyone but he is actually a very competent leader and fighter (and also his friend is a nulll with a melta which like helps alot)

Love Cain

Also gave us the fact that SOB canonicaly fuck

[frank mirage]

who doesnt i wish there was a nice miniature of him to paint

[west plaza]

True I mean I imagine we will get one eventually just like we got not sharpe

[lusty elm]

Wow, I just finished Witchbringer and I highly recommend it.

[hardy nimbus]

Another thing about Cain is that he acts indifferent about his soldiers, his internal monologue says he doesn't care much but he actually does

[frank mirage]

Cain is just overall a good guy and interesting character

[hardy nimbus]

great character, layers of complexity

[hearty niche]

What's a good place to get some Dark Angels Novels without Supporting a company that hates you?

[thorn bison]

Well there's always the less legal options if you're up for that

Not saying I recommend using them though! looking at you mods, I'm not supporting piracy I pwomise

[wooden sable]

Pretty sure Jurgen is just a Blank, a Null is something different - Pariah gene, or basically negative psychic presence which actively makes Psyker's heads explode rather than just being really unpleasant for them to be around.

Or maybe I'm eating chalk or something idk.

[west plaza]

Pretty sure the terms are used interchangeably in universe since they have grades if psychic blank like they do psychic

Cus they call sisters nullmaidens some times

And also call to them as blanks

Wamw goes for culexus and bequin she got called a null and a blank

[thorn bison]

The sisters have been described to be perceived as a blur by both regulars and psykers

[west plaza]

At least I'm pretty sure

[thorn bison]

But they've also been described as looking normal depending on the book so who knows

[west plaza]

Jurgin is just like bequin level blank where it largly went unnoticed

Like people where uneased by them and pyskers dampend

[thorn bison]

Didn't Eisenhorn get migraines when he was too close to her for too long?

[wooden sable]

Yeah but he wanted to breach her eternity gate by the end

[west plaza]

Pretty normal looking and conventionally attractive so like they aren't like creatures or what ever just people

Yea I mean he did

Get migrains

[mellow knot]

There’s a brother and sister in the Inquisitor’s retinue in ‘Portents’ who are a psyker and a blank respectively. Makes for a lot of discomfort on both sides.

[thorn bison]

That's got to be one hell of a sibling rivalry

[mellow knot]

It’s all very sad really

[mellow knot]

But made for a nice dynamic

[lusty elm]

Yikessss

How rare must that occurrence be tho

[mellow knot]

Extremely

[frank mirage]

this here is my brother! him being here quite literally keeps me from popping your brain!

[brisk ginkgo]

I would like to start reading about Gulliman's return into 40k but I have no clue what book re-introduces him, and I am currently in the assumption that there isn't a specific book where he comes back where should I start reading about him and his adventures in 40k?

[glass lintel]

He's introduced in the end of the Fall of Cadia books. Think of it like watching Lord of the Rings but only trying to start when Gandalf the White shows-up.

[brisk ginkgo]

Ah got it thank you!

[slow pilot]

Amazon randomly sent me a second xenos book

Kinda lucky because the other got damaged

Because the delivery guy shoved it in my mailbox

[thorn bison]

Seems like luck favours you!

[graceful osprey]

glad it worked out

[hardy nimbus]

The gathering storm and the Plague wars books is all you really need my friend

[thorn bison]

Do you mean Dawn of Fire? I can't find anything titled "Gathering Storm" anywhere

[hardy nimbus]

the gathering storm was a campaign book series, notoriously hard to find, can only find snippets here and there on websites but it covers essential details
the fall of cadia, the fall of biel-tan and the return of robot gorrilaman

[thorn bison]

Ah well that explains it

[heavy juniper]

if you have warhammer+ the three gathering storm books are in warhammervault. but personally I really find those kinds of campaign books obnoxious to read to extract the stories. annoying they dont have proper novelisations of those events.

if you read cadia stands, vaults of terra 1-3, watchers of the throne 1-2 and dawn of fire series you'll get a good picture of what's going on @brisk ginkgo those are set right before/during/after guilliman comes back

[midnight wind]

@drowsy stirrup Asked me what to read for current Warhammer 40k stories. like what's happening now, what Abbadon is doing, etc. Any suggestions from anyone?

[graceful osprey]

you can check the first pinned message of this channel for general beginner's recommendations but for the current storyline that would be Dawn of Fire and Dark Imperium

there's more stuff like Watchers of the Throne, Devastation of Baal, and a few others. for Abaddon stuff specifically and the most current lore, that would be Arks of Omen: Abaddon which is a campaign book for the tabletop game

Arks of Omen is priced with the game rules in mind so its a little expensive for just the lore that you get

[sage gale]

The lore is rad tho

[graceful osprey]

that's what I've heard but its a lot of money if you don't play the game

[sage gale]

I guess

IDK

[sage gale]

The best place to start for reading warhammer is Eisenhorn: Xenos. Flat out.
The best place to start with modern lore is to begin with era indomitus stuff

so cadia stands, forward

If you just jump into the very end of the indomitus , your not going to know what the hell is going on, and your gonna have to read backwards anyway

alternatively, you start allt he way back in the horus heresy lmao

[sage gale]

Does the bot automatically react with that to the word cadia

or the phrase cadia stands

yeah thats what it is, thats funny

[midnight wind]

cadia

it didn't workj

😦

[sage gale]

it's cadia stands

[midnight wind]

ah

cadia stands

ayyyyyy

[hardy nimbus]

really good suggestion right here

[sage gale]

Watchers of the throne was good

[hardy nimbus]

It really was

Dawn of Fire books tho .... it had its moments sure but overall

not very interesting

[sage gale]

Valdor is still the best custodes book to currently exist

I will throw hands on this fact

[hardy nimbus]

I'm a basic b*tch, The Infinite and the Divine is the GOAT

[sage gale]

Infinite and the divine is good

However

the best 40k book all around is echoes of eternity

[hardy nimbus]

damn, thats a very good book

[sage gale]

it's over 300 pages of sanguinious circlejerking

[hardy nimbus]

But Necropolis tho, amazing book

[sage gale]

I, a blood angels savant am legally required to love that book

[hardy nimbus]

Understandable, i respect that

[hardy nimbus]

what'd you think about devastation of baal?

[sage gale]

Very good

[hardy nimbus]

I personally thought it was awesome but i know some people in the community dislikes it quite a bit

[sage gale]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hardy nimbus]

Last part of the book with Dante and you know who

[sage gale]

the blood angels coming together in full legion strenght gave me strong signus vibes

[hardy nimbus]

Was incredible

[sage gale]

khorne sending a greater demon to help fight the nids was also

quite funny

[hardy nimbus]

Yeah

big brother vibes

only i can slaughter them not you

[sage gale]

I mean

Khorne wanted sanguinious over angron

[hardy nimbus]

why wouldn't he?

[sage gale]

just
sanguinious is simply too based

[hardy nimbus]

Our perfect birdboy

[sage gale]

I mean

I had the chocie myself

and chose sanguinious of angron

so like

I get where he;s coming from

[slow pilot]

I feel bad for eisonhorns coats. Holes are constantly being shot in them.

[sage gale]

are you reading thru eisenhorn RN lol

[slow pilot]

ya this is his third coat lol

[sage gale]

lmao

good books

[slow pilot]

im on the first one. i bought all 9 books in the inq series

[sage gale]

nice

very good series

still waiting for the last damn bequin novel to come out

[slow pilot]

dont tell me anything

[sage gale]

oop sorry

[spice zenith]

Hi

[mellow knot]

Hola!

[spice zenith]

need to finish tbe book before tehs tuff is up

[sage gale]

Which book?

[shrewd silo]

I only want to tell you in case you don't know already but magos is not book 4 it's book 7 and it has a bunch of short stories that are read in between main books.

[slow pilot]

Do I have to read the short storys

[shrewd silo]

No but I like them

At least read the curious case of what ever his name is that one's my favourite

I messed up and just listened to then all so I actually did 123 then all the shorts then magos then ravanor then bequin

Was very confused during magos

[slow pilot]

Bequin is pariah right

[shrewd silo]

The Strange Demise of Titus Endor

That's the short stories namr

https://www.trackofwords.com/2021/02/14/a-guide-to-dan-abnetts-inquisition-series/

[slow pilot]

@shrewd silo i zoned our when reading xenos last night, why ||did he have to take a trade ship under cover to that planet||

[shrewd silo]

Idk been like 2 years since I read it

But he does like to sneak around and not show off

[slow pilot]

https://tenor.com/view/charlietheunicorn-sneaky-unicorns-gif-18313234

[stiff dagger]

Started reading uriel ventris collection and gotta say graham mcneills goes hard in 30 first pages already

[ornate tangle]

And books that kinda feel like reading lovecraftian horror ….the chaos gods seem kinda cool

*any

[glass lintel]

Aaron Dembski-Bowden has the most horrifying interpretation of the Warp, though it rarely takes center-stage. The First Heretic, Talon of Horus, and Spears of the Emperor feature it well.

[mellow knot]

It was fun writing ‘Accursed Eternity’ because of it being Tzeentch flavoured chaos.

[glass lintel]

I feel like the six genestealer cults from the 5-8 hivefleets usually have more going for lovecraftian horror than the Chaos gods, though both are under-utilized. Chaos doesn't really manifest itself much throughout the series as it's usually the last-act climax or an accent to a human (enough) character struggling with it.

[shrewd silo]

I'm current listening to the lords of silence.

It's pretty good and has a bunch of Papa nergul

[random marlin]

Hm, seems like I finished The Infinite and the Divine in time for the next book discussion. Phew!

It was a nice book but a bit oversold. Lots of good passages, though.

Now time to switch to Aria Arcana, Peter Fehervari's latest short story, then the 2023 AM short story collection. 🙂

I've seen people recommend The Infinite and the Divine as a first book to get in 40k, which seems like a risky bet to me. If the person likes science-fiction books, maybe, otherwise a newcomer will be overwhelmed by terms about Necron Creatures, weapons and concepts that won't mean anything to them for the first third of the book. I've been a 40k fan for a long time now but there are whole sections of lore I don't know about, Necrons being one of them, and I struggled with the novel in its first part which was full of things I didn't know, like Necron units, with the writer assuming you know what they look like and what they do already.

[glass lintel]

Those are a lot of my same criticisms. Great book, but parts of it read like the Smash Bros roster.

[sage gale]

The infinite and the divine is somwthing i would recomend to people who are already into the game and wants to start rrading the novels

I wouls typically recommend xenos as soneone first 40k novel if they are just getting into thr setting

Because yeah, infinite and the divine really goes hard into necron lore thuought the entire book, and you need atleast the basic amount if background lore on necrons in order to understand whats happening

[drowsy urchin]

True, and I'd even say Twice Dead King is a better starter for Necron lore

[sage gale]

Definitely if you want to get into necrons specifically

But the infinite and the divine is a really great book

[drowsy urchin]

it is, very very good

I recently finished it's audiobook for the second time

[sage gale]

The audiobook version is, imo, the best version

[drowsy urchin]

quite so

Richard Reed is the perfect voice actor for it

AND Twice Dead King

[sage gale]

Mhm

[drowsy urchin]

iirc he's also the voice for some Tomb King characters in TWWH and some other various voices in that series

looks like he voiced a minor role in this game as well 😄

[quiet yew]

Agree. Favorite part:

Orikan: "Do orks have lungs?"
Trazyn: "No- yes. But it doesn't matter."

Regardless of the fact that Orikan would know if orks had lungs or not since Necrons should be intimately familiar with their ancient enemy

[thorn bison]

Isn't it like this
Orikan: "Do orks breathe?"
Trazyn: "...they have lungs"

[zenith mountain]

Amusingly Ciaphas Cain is probably the better Necron intro

and definitely the better intro to 40k

[meager trench]

Just play dark crusade for the Necron intro

Don't need a book when you have THOMAS MACABEE

[glass lintel]

Tonally, thematically, and narratively: no.

[zenith mountain]

Yes?

Seriously Cain is a great set of training wheels for 40k

[eternal kraken]

would anyone know of where I might be able to buy these books: Shield of Baal: Tempestus by Braden Campbell and Kasrkin by Edoardo Albert,having a really hard time finding them online I would rather not buy the Ebooks if I can help it.

[zenith mountain]

a more relatable protagonist that still introduces people to the idea that piety is more normal for 40k

human POV

"What is the Imperial guard, what's a genestealer cult/Tau/Orks"

[glass lintel]

Gaunt's Ghosts and Eisenhorn are the best intros because they're about the dullest "too old for this shit" veterans who can somehow still one-shot most threats with no sense of stakes and are surrounded by infinitely more interesting side characters.

[zenith mountain]

no sense of stakes

lol

[glass lintel]

He's a deliberately unreliable and lucky protagonist. I love Cain, but he was my first book and it was a great introduction.

• to the wiki.

[zenith mountain]

It's because he's so unreliable and lucky that he's a good "kiddy pool" 40k protagonist

[glass lintel]

GG starts with a Chaos Space Marine getting one-tapped by a lasgun and Gaunt winning a knife fight with a daemonhost.

Eisenhorn starts with establishing he has the psychic power to enter a gun fight, tell his opponent to get out of cover, and they stand up to get shot.

[zenith mountain]

actually it starts with a pair of CSM butchering a bunch of guard before a regiment nukes them with heavy weapons

Eisenhorn is a potent psyker but in that first novel nearly gets tortured to death

after several near death experiences

as for the knife fight with a daemonhost do you mean the possessed trooper in the Shriven

[glass lintel]

It was one rifle that saved Mr. Ghost.

[zenith mountain]

Do you mean the Iron Warriors in book 1

[glass lintel]

Yes: a 2:1 supernatural knife ambush when we see that a daemon will put you up a whole new weight class (Argel Tal taking Custodes, Lorgar tanking a Titan).

[glass lintel]

The ones the Dragoon Regiment were introduced next to.

[zenith mountain]

"is prayers were answered. The rearing thing was struck once, twice... four or five times by
carefully placed las-shots which tore into it and spun it around. Gaunt somehow knew it the sniper
Larkin who had provided these marksman blasts.
On one knee, the creature rose and raged again, most of its upper armour punctured or shredded,
smoke rising and black liquid spilling from the grisly wounds to its face, neck and chest.
A final, powerful las-blast, close range and full-power, took its I head off.
Gaunt looked round to see the wounded Corporal Zeezo standing on the barricade.
The Vitrian grinned, despite the pain from his wound. “I went against orders, I’m afraid,” he
began. “I reset my gun for full charge.”"

Anyway the possessed trooper was killed by a rocket so

This doesn't seem based on the book contents

and daemon lethality varies wildly anyway

Like it's literally just a trooper that gets possessed by an unspecific warp gribbly, gets decapitated by a rocket and is still alive enough to twitch when a bunch of troopers shoot at it

that seems pretty warp bullshit'y

meanwhile the Iron Warriors in the novel are killed by

1. eating a missile to the face

2. a chainsword, five hotshot las sniper rounds

and then a full charge lasgun shot to the face

[glass lintel]

That's like saying that someone killed a crusher with only forty machine pistol round, three force sword heavies, and a fully charged plasma shot to the face. You know what actually killed it.

In this case, GG just told the audience that all the billions of guardsman need to do isn't the chainsword and sniper ordeal: just shoot it in the face with the gun every last guardsman has!

[shrewd silo]

Pretty sure they kill a iron warrior with a melta gun to

Thing is that space marines are extremely op until the main characters show up and use guns.
Hotshot las guns and all the guardmen heavy weapons are OP vs armour.
Also power swords are OP vs everything.

[zenith mountain]

why yes arty

a lasgun that literally

dumped

its whole charge pack

can finish off a crippled chaos space marine

from a regiment that seems to be using hotshot charge packs

which lorewise are explicitly nasty stuff compared to lasgun memes

Like literally a line before we see what happens to guardsmen in the build up

"lol they fucking get slaughtered"

[glass lintel]

GG and Eisenhorn are good for people who want a Tom Clancy novel in 40k where 1-5 normal guys is all it takes to keep a threat back, and Commissar Cain is a terrific series in the same way that some dude posing with a snake you know will kill them in one bite, and they don't even notice. However: that's dependent on you knowing the factions and tech featured already to know how lucky his ass is, and doesn't explain enough on it's own.

The actual best introduction to Warhammer 40k is the Night Lord trilogy, which

Establishes with showing how far-gone and desperate the renegade astartes are (our 'hero' screaming and writhing on the floor is the first page).
Establishes the rough structure of a Chaos Warband.
Shows the role of artificers and human support in a legion.
Establishes daemon possession.
Establishes the HH, primarchs, Xenos, geneseed, the mechanicus, and making new space marines.
Shows the marines getting regularly injured, needing resupply and repairs, and needing to coordinate as a squad to tackle threats.

The heresy and primarchs are kept vague and mythological, so the thousands of years before our book don't rob the story we already have. It shows that nobody is surviving this setting solo, and even then it's at great cost to your body and mind.

It's also why I can't recommend that series, because I've never found a better one.

[zenith mountain]

Night Lords is great but let's be real

40k is Imperium centric, to its detriment

[slender willow]

Idea
A story on something akin to Atoma Prime, following a squad of Arbites

[zenith mountain]

Enforcers would be a better fit TBH

[slender willow]

Potentially as they get over to a rally point

Well I mean
I say Arbites as a catch all term for cops and the like

[zenith mountain]

fair fair

[slender willow]

They'd be pretty close to beat cops tbh

Potentially later on they get assigned as pathfinders for a Militarum regiment or something

Good idea, yes/no?

[zenith mountain]

survival horror, escape to the PDF encampment or Guard response?

[glass lintel]

Even in the Grimdarkness of the imperium, rooting for the cops in a story is too far gone for me.

[zenith mountain]

To be fair I imagine most of them get eaten

so it's a happy ending

also might be suitably amusing for the story to end with the Commissar wanting a "quick word" after they've given their info......

"If we're the only survivors, then the Emperor must really have been with us..."

"Only survivors. Yes. About that..."

"Both of you were injured, you say?"

[glass lintel]

There's a few segments in the NL books that are regular humans just trying to survive marines being in the general area. Thusly, I think you could get a decent story out of a hive ganger, water cartel agent, arbites, imperial scribe, and cultist to a different god all trying to survive together to make for a good book.

[slender willow]

Major issue I might have would be killing off the characters

[glass lintel]

Oh no, gotta make 'em all expendable.

Sick of legacy characters. I'm not sure if anybody who wants another book about First Claw like, got the book.

[zenith mountain]

eh, continuity is nice

but for a zombie survival horror story?

yeah no they're redshirts

[shrewd silo]

Wrong the best intro to 40k is all guardsmen party.

Group of guardsmen play baby sitter to interrogators (apprentice inquisitor)
They just try and not die the whole time and get the mission objective done.
They solve every problem with las fire and detpacks and that doesn't work use more detpacks.
It's not even cannon

[glass lintel]

At least they earned their CSM kills.

[slender willow]

To be honest

Unsure if it'd be zombie horror

Maybe the generalized "massive fuckoff revolts" would be better

[glass lintel]

TBH Genestealers are one of the best factions because they have a decent range of specializations and don't need named characters to be effective.

[burnt ridge]

So I started listening to Dawn of Fire book 3, Wolftime. Wtf was Gav Thorpe thinking in setting up this story, in like an hour I've heard from 5 different character perspectives and had a flashback. Who the fuck can follow that?

[glass lintel]

Thorpe moment.

[burnt ridge]

Actually 2 flashbacks I think

[shrewd silo]

Know no fear

[burnt ridge]

Also his writing of a Night Lord trying to drag the fear out of a female Commissar was just creepy in the wrong ways

[shrewd silo]

I still don't know what happened to most of the characters in know no fear when I listened to the audiobook

[slender willow]

Tbh though we always hear that the most common conflicts for the IoM are just against less capable forces, not against the big bads like CSM, genestealers, etc

Part of me would want to see one of the more common conflicts

[zenith mountain]

Thorpe is not a talented novelist

[sage gale]

ok but know no fear was actually good

[sage gale]

no, he is not. Guy haley is up there aswell, but he has a few good things, i.e., devastation of baal

[shrewd silo]

I thought it was the weakest dan abnett book I read besides that gaunts ghosts one set in ww1

[sage gale]

have you read prospero burns

[shrewd silo]

I did really like the dreadnought

But idk what happen to him he might have died

Yeah

[sage gale]

prospero burns might actually be the worst book in the entire heresy

[shrewd silo]

It was very messy

[sage gale]

he forgot to include prospero burning

[shrewd silo]

I'm upto angel exterminatist

But I think the abyss one was pure trash

[burnt ridge]

I've decided to simply learn about the HH from memes

[sage gale]

I think that prospero burns is so awful because it was supposed to be one of only two novelizations of one of the most important turning points of the heresy

[shrewd silo]

Especially after 5 great books

[burnt ridge]

How do people feel about the Dawn of Fire series so far? I get the vibe it's trying to be HH for the Indomitus Era

[shrewd silo]

I think HH has a bunch of great books and then a ton of terrible or ok ones

[zenith mountain]

closer to the beast

guy haley is exactly the wrong guy for this

[sage gale]

and instead it focused on some dumb fuck skjald who disappears at the end of the book, making the entire novel pointless, forgets to include the actual burning of prospero for more than half a chapter (which ends with us having to see the skjald fight some demon for no damn reason)

[zenith mountain]

there are a few okayish individual novels but the whole series reeks of everything wrong with the current narrative

[sage gale]

its even worse when you then read a thousand sons, which is what prospero burns should have been

fucking

wet leopard growl

bottom text

[burnt ridge]

I kinda liked Avenging Son except for the Primaris unveiling which just really highlighted how stupid they are

Like, "btw, here's the 50k Primaris Marines you asked me for 10 millenia ago

[sage gale]

the best novels to come out of indomitus was the devastation of baal and the watchers of the throne

[shrewd silo]

Actually what's everyone's opinion on nemesis

Hh book 13

[sage gale]

haven't read it, probably wont

[burnt ridge]

Ditto

[glass lintel]

The HH books are like the Star Wars prequels, and thusly have a harsh ceiling on how much they can innovate or be creative because a bunch of dates and characteristics were already decided in a codex from the 90's.

[shrewd silo]

I really liked nemesis tbh

Was a fun ride the whole way

[burnt ridge]

You can have good stories in a restricted setting, if you are capable of writing good stories

[shrewd silo]

Outcast dead was great for a little bit then was kinda shit and battle of the abyss was just trash

[sage gale]

Sort of? They have innovated quite alot, and have added alot to the story. we have vague notions of how things went down, but the novel series gives us a good opportunity to really see the interactions and bonds that form in the peak of the imperium

I feel like it wasn't organized properly

[shrewd silo]

Actually worst 40k story's got to be mirror cracked

[sage gale]

and thats the largest problem

like

fear to tread is the 21st horus heresy novel

yet takes palce before isstvan 5

[shrewd silo]

I really liked the fulgrim book and that story sucked ass

[sage gale]

agree

[burnt ridge]

I will give Thorpe one kudos from Wolftime so far, it focuses on an unnumbered son, Gaius, geneseed of Russ and craves to know more of the Space Wolves homeworld. That's an interesting character concept. Tons of children turned soldier injected with the idea of a new homeworld, but never actually being there, not knowing the smell of the wind or the sounds in the streets

I like seeing those specks of humanity in the post humans of fiction

[sage gale]

agreed, its something that they have done realy well with alot of newer novels is humanizing the space marines, but still keeping them post human and distant

[shrewd silo]

I have been listening to lords of silence and the death guard are much better than the ones in flight of the Einstein

[burnt ridge]

I'm part way through writing a short story about a White Consul Primaris who finds out Sabatine was consumed by Chaos and his hypnomat was outdated, talking with a firstborn about what the lost world was like

Fuck the Lords of Silence, all my homies hate the Lords of Silence

[shrewd silo]

Why?

It's interesting enough so far

[burnt ridge]

Lol, read above message about Sabatine

[shrewd silo]

Ok

[burnt ridge]

White Consuls are my favorite chapter

(I'm not saying the book is bad, but the warband)

[burnt ridge]

"Lords of Silence corrupted My homeworld, Can't have shit on Sabatine"

[glass lintel]

I might be capable, but Black Library isn't. 😏

[glass lintel]

That's the issue: we had the vague notions, and it added to the age of myth feeling. Now we know Horus went Heresy because they didn't like taxes, and a perfectly functional storyline and arc needs to randomly find reasons to get two primarchs/space marines in a room together but not kill eachother because that comes later.

[sage gale]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Such is the result of novelizing anything in warhammer

Instead of just elluding to it in codexes

But we got some damn fine models out if it so thats a dub

[slender willow]

What sorts of stories do you all want to hear for 40k

[shrewd silo]

Idk good ones

[slender willow]

Lol

[glass lintel]

T'au boots-on-the-ground, working with the other species. I'm sick of heroes who get their own models and entire series.

[slender willow]

It's unfortunate that my knowledge on Tau is so...sparse

[glass lintel]

Alternatively, you could just do Titanfall 2's campaign but bluer and it's rock.

[glass lintel]

You have good tech and good doctrine, no benefit of the power of faith to let you charge trenches with swords and win, or magic powers.

[slender willow]

Issue I think I'd have would be culture

Tbh

Tau don't have any "unknown" client races do they

[glass lintel]

They have multiple.

Vespids and Kroot are the only ones with models.

[slender willow]

Hmm

Demiurg infantry, with a culture loosely based off of USSR miners?

Far off world with limited T'au support

Something something. Not sure

Wonder how fekked they'd be by Necrons

[glass lintel]

If you can see T'au: they're losing.

[slender willow]

I'd definitely move away from that dang "spess dworf" mask shtick

Overdone imo

[burnt ridge]

I may not go so far as to say slice of life, but I want some stories that do a better job including the less sucky parts of the imperium, or life as a human in the Tau protectorate, etc.

The world of Warhammer doesn't need to be ONLY war ya know. even the warriors, If there was a good novel just of a first born and a primaris talking back and forth about philosophy between missions, I'd read the fuck out of it

[slender willow]

Hmmm
From the perspective of a random citizen, the sending of an Imperial Tithe, maybe?

With competitions between PDF units and the like. Notations on the paperwork left and right

At the end, the massive transports

Even better, that same thing but from the perspective of a PDF soldier

[burnt ridge]

After finishing the Gate of Bones book, I really want to make an Imperial Knight army for House Kamidar, though no idea what they're meant to look like colors or standard wise

I really loved Princess Jessivayne Y`Kamidar's parts of the story

[shrewd silo]

Reminded me of this I heard ages ago.
https://youtu.be/nrcWLSrayx0

[heavy juniper]

kasrkin should be releasing on paperback this year

[fleet arrow]

Anybody know of any good ww1 or ww2 books I could read, preferably non fiction but historical fiction is also good

I know it’s not warhammer related but similar concepts

[slender willow]

Storm of Steel, All Quiet on Western Front are two commonly cited ones

If you want naval, good historical fiction is A Sailor of Austria

Rommel's Infantry Tactics is also fairly good once you understand when he self-preens

Hope that helps

[fleet arrow]

Thank you!

[quiet yew]

"Forgotten Soldier" by Guy Sajer. Memoir of a German panzergrenadier.
"With the Old Breed" by Eugene Sledge. Memoir of a US Marine.
"Japanese Destroyer Captain" by Tameichi Hara. Guess who he was!
"Dauntless Helldivers" by Harold J. Buell. Memoir of a US Navy dive bomber pilot.

I quite recommend the first two since the infantry perspective shows the horrors of war from up close

[graceful osprey]

"Spearhead: An American Tank Gunner, His Enemy, And a Collision of Lives in World War II" by Adam Makos

[stiff dagger]

Väinö linna's unknown soldier

[radiant spear]

"Fear: A novel of World War I" by Gabriel Chevallier.

[eternal kraken]

@heavy juniper oh I didn't realize it wasn't out yet, thank you!

@fleet arrow I would also add Blood red snow by Gunter K. Koschorrek it's a german soldiers memoir on the eastern front

oh and Band of Brothers by Stephen E. Ambrose it's about the 101st airborne and Brothers in Arms by James Holland, which follows a british tank regiment called the sherwood rangers

as for world war 1, I would say Poilu by Louis Barthas he was a french corporal,it takes place between 1914-1918. all theses books are non fiction

[light lion]

I recently started my first 40k series

Gaunts ghosts and I'm loving it so far especially as a guard fanboy

[graceful osprey]

that's a good one to start with and should keep you going for a while. there's an excellent ghosts spinoff book Double Eagle about atmospheric pilots I highly recommend

[thorn bison]

If we're thinking of the same story then absolutely yes, Double Eagle is great and is undoubtedly deserving of a read

[graceful osprey]

it's the one about the Phantine Air Corps

I believe it's set circa the Guns of Tanith which is the fifth book in the series

[radiant spear]

I'm on that book in the ghosts series and can attest that the phantine are there. Will add Double Eagle to my wishlist, the pilots fascinate me.

[thorn bison]

Is it ||the one with the ice tunnel?|| cause if so then we're on the same page

[cinder terrace]

magnus did nothing wrong

[iron topaz]

Is the ghost series also abnett? I just finished Xenos and have the whole Eisenhorn trilogy and am debating where to go after I finish those.

[shrewd silo]

Is it just me or do other people have this to?
I completely zone out of most ship to ship void warfare.
Like big battle barge vs big battle barge or 20 vs 20 ships.
I can't seem to follow them and when I do it's not really fun or interesting anyway.

I got 0 problem listening to regular action or even when sevitar jumped onto the wing of a void born fighter jet and hung on till it threw him into the enemy ship but ship to ship sucks.

[iron topaz]

I know what you mean. There's a smaller battle with like 10 ships at the end of xenos and I had no idea who was on what side.

[shrewd silo]

Yeah I feel like drawing a physical map and then placing all the names to the locations or something

Also gaunts ghosts is great.
It's really about the ghosts and the regiment and all the bad ass side characters.

But the simplest explanation is guant is a commander and he gets thrown at sabbat worlds at war and stabs chaos army's with knives.
Also necropolis is one of my favourite 40k books.

[glass lintel]

Yes

[glass lintel]

You need a good author to write them correctly. Dembski-Bowden's are pretty entertaining and easy to follow, the chases in Twice Dead King were good too.

[iron topaz]

Cool ty. Might do that next then.

Not touching Heresy. Way to much.

[shrewd silo]

Dan abnett is great at writing regular fights but when it comes to ship to ship he sucks then

I also listened to the nightlords and still got a bit lost in the ship to ship stuff

[burnt ridge]

ditto, I learn about HH from memes, it's more fun

[sage gale]

Heresy is rad

My advice is dont read all of it

Find the books about the legions you care about, and read those

You can find some decen guides online

Like you should read 1 thru 5

And then, if you like space wooves, read stuff like wolf spear, prospero burns, etc

[heavy juniper]

I dont think anyone should like the space wolves after reading horus heresy 😆

[slow pilot]

The book design for kingmaker is awesome

[heavy juniper]

love assassinorum

[sage gale]

well yes

especially after their heresy intro book prospero burns being a major dissapointment and just kind of a terrible book all around

[random marlin]

Just read Aria Arcana, the latest short story by Peter Fehervari. As usual, his style is inimitable and so much more evocative and thought-provoking than the usual Lasgun/Bolter porn. However, I have the feeling that, even more than the short story Vanguard with Fire Caste, it'll resonate more if you've read Requiem Infernal and The Reverie first. Otherwise, I think someone who has this short story as a first contact with this author will be even more lost than the ones used to follow him in the Dark Coil!

[mellow knot]

I admit to really enjoying writing ship to ship combat (although it was relatively short). There’s something of a joy about these huge, ponderous vessels that square up to one another but can’t do anything in a hurry.

[mellow knot]

But I also grew up with access to Alexander Kent books that had a lot of naval warfare so I sort of enjoy that kind of thing anyway.

[slender willow]

Hmm

Most of what I've written is from the sense of the bridge, for void engagements

[thorn bison]

I enjoy the more ridiculous aspects of void warfare, such as how the Conqueror can fire what are essentially spaceship sized harpoons that will immobilise smaller craft by punching through their hull and magnetically locking themselves to the vessel.

Or how the Death Guard once threw meteors at enemy ships using grav-tech

[copper sphinx]

Thousand sons can't even succeed in their own book

[spiral panther]

SoT is defo worth tho

I love Horus Rising, False Gods and Galaxy in Flames especially cause it shows the decline of the Luna Wolves

Through the eyes of the man Garviel Loken

[sage gale]

Siege of terra is definitely amazing

[slow pilot]

https://youtu.be/ZHMk0FNYLrc

[heavy juniper]

I think mac would be lorgar

sweet dee as corvus corax 😂

[slow pilot]

Corax you bitch

[full condor]

can we talk about Garro? what the fuck was that?

I just finished that book and I was so mad about the ending

[heavy juniper]

too soon to have a spoiler discussion on it maybe. but yes, yes.

[hearty niche]

What good Horus heresy book do you guys recommend?

[full condor]

flight of the esinhorn

thats a good one. the burning of prospero

calth

[hearty niche]

🤔

[heavy juniper]

valdor birth of the imperium or master of mankind

[harsh meteor]

Betrayer

[glass lintel]

||Horus Heresy Books||
||Good||

[sage gale]

the first 5

Valdor is cracked

Master of mankind is cracked

[sage gale]

Prospero burns is awful, dont read it

instead read a thousand sons

I really liked SoT

@hearty niche personally tho, i'd find a legion you really like, and focus on stories from them

your generally going to have a better time reading about the characters you personally care about, than about a legion you hate, just because some dumbass on the internet said buk gud

SO like
if you like the ultramarines, Guilliman, know no fear, calth, etc
If you like blood angels, sanguinius, fear to tread and the siege of terra
etc

[hearty niche]

I like to focus on Ultramarines

[sage gale]

Know no fear is good
calth is good
obv. guilliman
betrayer is good

[hearty niche]

I see

[sage gale]

i would also read the first 5 novels

being in order
Horus rising
false gods
galaxy in flames (where the heresy actually begins)
flight of the eisenstein
and fulgrim

though

I would mentally prepare yourself before you read fulgrim

[hearty niche]

Ok

[heavy juniper]

sneak Legion in there as well

and thousand sons. hehe

[quiet yew]

Next book releases this month doesnt it?

[quiet yew]

Prospero Burns did seem extremely experimental for me

[sage gale]

smth like that ye