lmaooo
#40k-lore-chat
fierce pendant
vapid tiger
give it time gw will give them a reason to hate leaf lovers
i like dwarves but elves are also cool
real picture of medic
storm jungle
vapid tiger
WTF DID YOU MAKE THAT
final spruce
I don't
vast frigate
Id rather invest in the war economy
slender orchid
The New Squats/Votann? Yeah, each League is its own kind of independent faction. Seems like they are almost modeled off the Kharadron in AoS. One League is actively allied with the Tau
slender orchid
Yeah, but they had a unified council
storm jungle
Kinda
they were still separated leagues, so its just an old thing they are bringing back
which is neato
slender orchid
It is cool they are back, but I wonder how much they will sell?
Since that is the final arbiter for how much lore or how many minis they get.
shadow plover
I suppose I'll get a few models at some point, maybe enough for a thousand points
the vehicles have been very neat
If the release boxset will be interesting I'll probably pick it up
slender orchid
Like, the Eldar are neat. But their sales are awful. So they get no development. They started to get a big trilogy which died partway in, and even during it all of their big heroes got smacked by a single Keeper of Secrets
Just hope the Squ....Votann don't end up stillborn
storm jungle
Eldar sales arent really awful
its just that Marines sell a ton more
aka the same reason everyone else gets shafted
final spruce
Drukhari sold ALOT this edition primarly thanks to them being very strong on the tabletop
slender orchid
No. Really. Eldar sales figures are terrible. I think even if you combined every Eldar faction (like they just did in the new codex) they are still competing for lowest sales?
Drukhari and Harlequins saw an uptick with tourney players
But tourney players are statistically the smallest purchasing group. They are just the most voracious for new product
I'd have to check the itemized earnings, but think it was something like SM, Chaos, Necron, Tau, IG, Ork, Custodes, steep cliff, then the rest.
shadow plover
where are these statistics from
slender orchid
The last time I checked? The 2021 earnings report
shadow plover
I'm not disagreeing, just curious to see them myself
did it state the faction differences?
slender orchid
The year end earnings, like the individual quarters, are public. They put out PDFs. Shows the sales of entire lines, then lists notable efforts
shadow plover
didn't see that when I peeked it
slender orchid
It listed top performers, then struggling lines, then lines slated for increased marketing or those with highlights
I know it has actual numbers for the big brands, 40k, AoS, Lord of the Rings (heh, big brands).
Think AoS had climbed to something like 32% of sales
Still has me curious where the line about the Tactical Marine kit outselling all of Fantasy came from. Never been able to find that.
scenic bolt
The reports aren’t that detailed
atomic pelican
The only real way to tell who sells less or more is who is played
storm jungle
they just look at lines
atomic pelican
GSC are according to play stats, the least played faction
final spruce
As expected
shadow plover
it's also the most expensive line to gather yeah
final spruce
Expensive High skill floor / skill ceiling while being mid tier at best
atomic pelican
Yep
shadow plover
as in £ to points
scenic bolt
Plus GSC shares line somewhat with IG so GSC exclusive stuff is muddled
atomic pelican
Not anymore
final spruce
I believe Jean had made the calculations of Money per model with the old Shadowthrone box
final spruce
Now that I think of it
final spruce
Guard buffs would make the broodbrothers a better choice now
atomic pelican
Oh for sure
shadow plover
although the start collectiong/combat patrol boxes give the most savings for GSC
final spruce
Acolytes are $1 a point
storm jungle
atomic pelican
Yeah the new combat patrol is alright, the old SC box was better
Only 5 acolyte hybrids
Which is pain
shadow plover
well it's great for those who already bought a fewe of those SC boxes (like me)
rose thorn
You didn’t hear this from me but most of the old SCs are still on Amazon
atomic pelican
Tru, but by the time you had all those SC boxes, dont you already have all the neophytes and such you want?
The truck and the abbies are nice
rose thorn
And totally isn’t where I’m buying my shit for a cheaper price
final spruce
Price is the only thing stopping me from playing GSC (and also non-existant stl files)
shadow plover
there's always more room for those and getting goliaths and aberrant for cheap very nice
atomic pelican
Tru
final spruce
Especially since the price hike happened and now I have to pay export taxes if I wanna beneficiate from UK reseller prices
slender orchid
(over here actively pouring over stuff to find where I got this from, hoping I didn't jumble it with shit from reddit and DakkaDakka, only able to find info on entire product lines and feeling like an asshole)
atomic pelican
RHSHF its oki
slender orchid
The new combat patrol for GSC is good, minus the hybrids. The character you only take 1 of is kind of a bummer, but neophytes and trucks/rock grinders are great. Aberrants... Exist
atomic pelican
Yeah its good for someone whos starting
By the time it came out, I already had 40 neophytes LMAO
Albeit I could run 80 and still be good
slender orchid
The new crossfire rules with the lasers and seismics gets mean.
atomic pelican
If I had to take a guess, the Eldar factions are spread somewhere in the middle of being played. With Harlequins lower, and Drukhari/Craftworlds mid
shadow plover
crossfire is such a fun system
slender orchid
If you want pain, my Nurgle army is hurting. Beasts of Nurgle. Nurglings. The pricing is dumb.
vapid tiger
just play opr until the codex comes out and then stomp your local "i only play 9th edition snort" peeps
with their competitive lists
slender orchid
Just saying. Beasts of Nurgle $45 each. 35 points
vapid tiger
yeah it's fucked
slender orchid
I still own 5. But I hate it
vapid tiger
play onepagerules
normalize not buying a shitload of books to play and factions being fun instead of being a rotating carousel of factions of the month
slender orchid
I haven't seen any leaks on this, but really hoping the exalted daemon strats still exist in some way to buff the datasheet. Otherwise greater Daemons, specifically Thirsters and GUOs got downgraded
atomic pelican
Well GUOs have a 3+ mega invuln now
And at T8 22w
I rlly cannot see how it comes out to be a downgrade
Also the warp storm rules which are unknown
shadow plover
play onepagerules
normalize not buying a shitload of books to play and factions...
i mean you don't have to rotate even with the new rules, no need to be a meta chaser
slender orchid
Thought it was 4+ ranged, 5+ melee, -1 dmg instead of their old 5+ fnp?
atomic pelican
3+ ranged, 5+ melee, -1 dmg iirc
I can check
Oh yeah itd 4+
3+ is the lord of cjange
Change*
4 more wounds and t8 tho
Also not having to worry abt invulm pen
vapid tiger
i mean you don't have to rotate even with the new rules, no need to be a meta ch...
I mean there's no need to rotate but it's not healthy for the game for that to be the case
rose thorn
Chaos Daemons soon tm
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
vapid tiger
Imagine being the poor sod who starts stomping all his buds with his fluffy list because his codex suddenly became faction of the month
rose thorn
9TH 9TH 9TH DAEMON AAAAAA
vapid tiger
Or the reverse
slender orchid
That's a downgrade from my old GUO. After strats he was 4+ invuln into 4+ FNP. If I was risky and lucky, could potentially be T8 too.
atomic pelican
Thats with everything pumped into him. This is a new, no relic, no strat GUo
Just baseline
Also the 4+ invuln is way worse currently
vapid tiger
I mean there's two game stores in my area and one has a 40k playerbase that likes to keep up with all current 9e rules and has a core consisting of a few people who play 40k like it's mtg and the other has a core of 40k players who are more focused on just having fun games and barely pay attention to rules updates and whatnot
GW cultivates the former
slender orchid
Hence me saying I hope the exalt strat is still in. If it is, this is a buff. If it isn't it is a downgrade
atomic pelican
I doubt he will be able to get a 4+ FNp anymore
If he does, itd be
Incredibly busted LMAO
With -1 dmg too
Theres only 1 4+ FNP in the game I can think of
Which is a Haemonculi relic, and they only have like 6 wounds
slender orchid
Hey. I play Nurgle, IG, and Ultramarines in 40k (I have a Knight's army, but have never got to play it). I haven't got many wins.
atomic pelican
5+ FNP via stratagem or spell very likely
slender orchid
Let me chubby boy have it
atomic pelican
4+ FNPs are comical tho
Once had a haemonculus survive 120 hormy attacks via his toughness and a 4+ FNP
shadow plover
Ultramarines with now cheaper Guilliman is great
I've gotten two wins against new codex Word Bearers with them
slender orchid
Nice
vapid tiger
Reminder that ultramar is not some idealistic comfy paradise and is ruled by insane demigods who believe autocracy is the best form of government ever
and yet is still better than the vast majority of the imperium
alpine ingot
Let him stay dead, I am fine with Dante and Maphiston being his heralds/ avatars. Metaphorically in the case of Dante and literally in Mephiston's case.
they serve as a good representation of the duality of the BA chapter and bloodline
vapid tiger
Let him stay dead, I am fine with Dante and Maphiston being his heralds/ avatars...
ya
I'd be okay with like
Parts of a fragmented sanguinius soul inhabiting blood angels characters but bringing him back would literally ruin the blood angels
what would be the point of the black rage even
If they kept it around it'd just make shit very confusing especially for new and/or casual fans not to mention how bad it is from a writing standpoint
alpine ingot
black rage adds to much to the Blood Angels and their successors to ever get rid of
removing it would ruin part of the charm of the Flesh Tearers
lunar notch
Imperator-class Titans should be portrayed as being hundreds of meters tall in the lore. Change my mind.
storm jungle
Theres nothing to really change. People just dont really realise how even a robot half the size of the eiffel tower would be scary as heck.
cunning wigeon
nah fans wont be happy until it is so large to the point of being unusable
shadow plover
imperators are arguably just that
but they're cool nevertheless
stupid space magic
storm jungle
They are still pretty gigantic even with half the size of the empire states tower
making it any larger is just too hilarious to take seriously
crisp heath
Anyone else think powerfists are boring weapons
barren tapir
Anyone else think powerfists are boring weapons
Yes me
tired umbra
Nah dude boxing is the dopest god damn shit and I refuse to hear any arguments.
storm jungle
They are pretty lame though yeah
shadow plover
fist but big and makes you pop like a grape
storm jungle
a lot more cooler power weapons exist
crisp heath
Calgar looks so goofy with his two big fists
shadow plover
crisp heath
shadow plover
power fists are the coolest looking melee weapon you can put on a marine
plush mason
arent there titan sized power fists?
shadow plover
"I've got a huge hand" -Krieg
storm jungle
arent there titan sized power fists?
Nah all titan weapons are firearms
tho knights get hands
tired umbra
A power fist is technically a firearm
crisp heath
power fists are the coolest looking melee weapon you can put on a marine
Lightning claws are cooler
atomic pelican
Anyone else think powerfists are boring weapons
Yes, esp when chainfists exist
plush mason
Nah all titan weapons are firearms
dont the reavers get them?
atomic pelican
It is a tragedy you can only run 1 chainfist per 5 termis
storm jungle
dont the reavers get them?
I think so?
crisp heath
Chain fists are powerfists with extra steps
plush mason
by them i mean a titan sized fist weapon
shadow plover
think warlords get one too
storm jungle
Im also super sure theres a HH book cover where a titna is punching another with it
shadow plover
Titanicus
plush mason
think warlords get one too
yeah i thing those are the 2 classes of titan that get melee options
shadow plover
Oh book cover
shadow plover
oh that's Calth innit
storm jungle
crisp heath
👊
storm jungle
Yep checked, its calth
shadow plover
it's an old one with those old titan designs
storm jungle
goofy mfers
lunar notch
Theres nothing to really change. People just dont really realise how even a robo...
All I am saying is that this is the setting where realism in relation to "There's no way something that big could ever work." is thrown straight into the trash bin. Why not go whole hog and just say, "An Imperator Titan can caber toss the Burj Dubai."
shadow plover
the fucker is already so big it couldn't work
storm jungle
Yeah lmao
shadow plover
it's own weight would buckle the joints it's supposed to walk on
storm jungle
Pretty much.
Those are the moments you are suppose to ignore the realism
when it becomes so stupid it doesnt really work, having read the titan novels the authors clearly try to portray these things semi-logically
storm jungle
and in a sensible way
shadow plover
Imma buy a mitten
lunar notch
Same goes for Hive Cities, tho.
storm jungle
I mean no
lunar notch
You literally cannot build a building that tall.
storm jungle
You can
lunar notch
No you can't.
storm jungle
humans have done less feasible things
crisp heath
Big ol hand = weapon
plush mason
humans have done less feasible things
no we have no built a building that is over 10 miles high
storm jungle
I have studied architecture, its entirely possible.
its just
you know
why do it
Since its just a waste of money
wind flicker
no we have no built a building that is over 10 miles high
we have, it just fell over
storm jungle
Also hive cities are an actual concept
wind flicker
arcologies!
storm jungle
its not something 40k pulled out of its arse
Its literally just a triangular way of spires that eclipse/support each other
plush mason
Since its just a waste of money
isnt that the favorite pass time of most world governments tho?
storm jungle
Pretty much
but weapons dont count
Why make helpful constructs/building complexes when you can waste your budget on other shit
final spruce
Looks at Dubai tower
storm jungle
But yeah
hive cities have been a concept since the late 70's
as I said before its just never gonna be done unless we start running out of space and build upwards. Its literally the same principle as skyscrapers
final spruce
Bladerunner 👀
plush mason
as I said before its just never gonna be done unless we start running out of spa...
likely will never ever been done cause we are already starting to run short of copper
final spruce
It's been multiple years since humans have been extensively urbanising and I'm not surprised if plans to capitalise on that would appear to create megastructures
storm jungle
likely will never ever been done cause we are already starting to run short of c...
Yup
wind flicker
someone get the crackhead army
storm jungle
and yeah mega-structures would only happen out of desperation and a lack of space
scenic bolt
Only entities that could afford a hive city would be a multinational coalition
wind flicker
japan will do it first
plush mason
we will likely start running out of iron deposits at some point in the next 50 years
scenic bolt
But we’d never really hit the pop necessary for em
crisp heath
japan will do it first
Tokyo is basically already a mega city
final spruce
World will probably die before we reach that age Dilly
scenic bolt
You can fit every human alive in Wyoming at above average city densities
plush mason
But we’d never really hit the pop necessary for em
the global pop is expected to reach 10.4 b by 2080
final spruce
Gods, I remember going in Xian and seeing, in the older parts of the cities, the ceiling being around 1.75 cm so that could have more floors in one building
scenic bolt
Kowloon Walled City my beloved
storm jungle
oof
crisp heath
Sardine can buildings
storm jungle
was resisting bringing that up
but yeah in short; hive cities are feasible
just not really gonna happen
plush mason
but yeah in short; hive cities are feasible
not really due to human psychology. the population in them will do insane due to "dome syndrome"
storm jungle
Yup
theres a lot of factors into it
its why the 40k hive cities or any sci-fi hive city is so shit
population density has way too many effects
plush mason
that and lack of fresh air and open spaces
crisp heath
It stinks
scenic bolt
Submariners, astronauts, and Antarctic researchers all have to be heavily psychologically screened and they only do short stints
plush mason
^
plush mason
we humans are still primates and primates are one of the worst animals to keep in closed spaces for long periods
storm jungle
YEP
People will always stab or kill each other over something
theres a reason the underhive is so miserable
plush mason
yup
final spruce
Which is now another real reason as of why they must regularly do cleanups because of the chaos cultists and rioters down there
scenic bolt
Reminds me of a playable race in Traveller, sentient herd pastoralists, but their space ships have to be designed to be insanely large to accommodate large simulated plains.
If they ever encounter enclosed spaces even for a short period they go berserk and you pick up so many negative dice mods you effectively lose control of the character.
scenic bolt
Can’t escape biology
plush mason
yup
its been a known fact for years that the biggest obstacle to human space travel is human biology itself
cerulean wagon
plush mason
LOL
storm jungle
YEP
final spruce
errant pike
new york is even worse
midnight mist
I would rather unironically live in Varangantua, Helsreach, or any other hive city than a real life city. The propensity to get murdered in either option is the same but at least hive cities have a cool grimdark aesthetic.
plush mason
lol
midnight mist
"Man I just got shot by Eschers on my way home from harvesting mushrooms off the coolant pipes but damn this place is aesthetic!"
smoky mauve
Real LA isnt bad. Just the rent sucks a lot. Like... a LOT
midnight mist
Real LA isnt bad. Just the rent sucks a lot. Like... a LOT
rose thorn
Hey all
atomic pelican
Hewo
oki
rose thorn
DHBS?
rose thorn
Someone got banned recently it seems
also lmao its every month
atomic pelican
Tru
lunar notch
Aight. You can get one ambiguity/loose end/forgotten plot point/etc in the lore closed/explained/answered/ etc. for good and definitively. What do you have GW tackle?
atomic pelican
The Ynnari. Kill them or have their goals succeed, not be stuck in limbo forever
atomic pelican
Thats basically the only thing of importance they accomplished
rose thorn
and i dont htink they are too interesting either
atomic pelican
And it served the Imperium LMAO
rose thorn
lmao
atomic pelican
Yvraine is a fine enough character. But the Ynnari are basically just a eldar deathcult
Vect was based for expelling them
rose thorn
also this isnt really in the question but i wish eldar will become their own tab in the GW website instead of beingt hrown under Xenos
atomic pelican
Oh yeah
rose thorn
i actually just hate the xenos tab in general
like they are meaningless and a side note
atomic pelican
Xenos tab could be further organized into Aeldari and Forces of the Hivemind
Then everyone else
rose thorn
Yeah, maybe orks can get a tab too
just lioke
'tribal orks and regulat orks'
but AOS has them in the same tab so eh
lunar notch
I'd demand that GW settle Cypher's entire plotline, including my whatever the fuck is going on with his sword. Just do it already.
atomic pelican
Yeah the Fallen as a whole are just ???
Limbo
Biggest plot development for Cypher was losing the IMPERIUM keyword 
lunar notch
Him especially. OH HE NEEDS TO GO TO TERRA WITH THE SWORD. THAT'S HIS FINAL MISSION. ... SIKE.
rose thorn
oh yeah i have no clue how the fuck the fallen fit in the lore either
like becuase they are DA they are like, beter?
storm jungle
Biggest plot development for Cypher was losing the IMPERIUM keyword <:omegalul:7...
LOL
INTO THE CHAOS SHADOW REALM HE GOES
YEET
rose thorn
lma o
plucky pendant
Aight. You can get one ambiguity/loose end/forgotten plot point/etc in the lore ...
Ultramarines
More ultramarines lore let’s goooooo
slender orchid
How big is a Titan? for realsies? Barring that, what is Big E's Datasheet?
woven sandal
woven sandal
There's also the Knights that are between Orange and Blue
woven sandal
Also, remember that Titan scaling is wildly inconsistent.
storm jungle
Yep thats mine
storm jungle
Yeee
storm jungle
Also, remember that Titan scaling is wildly inconsistent.
Its not.
Black Library got slapped for doing that
by the main writer of titanicus
aka "stop making titans as big as mountains you fucktards"
plucky pendant
Beeg beeg robo
woven sandal
aka "stop making titans as big as mountains you fucktards"
There's that one image of a titan that's super iconic that I can't find that is probably most of the source for all that.
hushed kayak
speaking of titans why tf do they cost so much?
storm jungle
uhhh
plucky pendant
aka "stop making titans as big as mountains you fucktards"
I’m here thinking they were
storm jungle
corpo
woven sandal
They're fucking huge, and GW doesn't expect to sell that many of them.
hushed kayak
Usually forgeworld resin
you’re telling me
atomic pelican
FW products are p much always turbo expensive because their production process is a bit more fine
atomic pelican
Oh yeah
storm jungle
EXCUSE ME
hushed kayak
that’s JUST THE BODY?!
storm jungle
I CAN BUY LIKE 5 ART COMMISSIONS FOR THAT PRICE
atomic pelican
Yes
storm jungle
CHRIST
woven sandal
I found the image.
storm jungle
Thats the one
woven sandal
I CAN BUY LIKE 5 ART COMMISSIONS FOR THAT PRICE
The fuck are you doing spending $400+ dollars on art commissions?
storm jungle
The fuck are you doing spending $400+ dollars on art commissions?
IM NOT
THATS THE THING
woven sandal
Thats the one
What an amazing art piece though.
storm jungle
The art itself is great yeah
woven sandal
Really sells the Titan being incomprehensibly large and powerful.
atomic pelican
Mfw my enemy approaches with a target I can hit with literally anything from basically a continent away 
hushed kayak
i’m surprised people pay art for that much, but we’re getting off topic lol. Is a titan much rarer than seeing a space marine?
storm jungle
Yeah that too
storm jungle
Titans are made to be "rare" but they almost literally appear in any prominent warzone
atomic pelican
Yepp
woven sandal
So do Space Marines
woven sandal
Wasn't there like a whole ass Titan Legio on Armageddon in Helsreach?
hushed kayak
Wasn't there like a whole ass Titan Legio on Armageddon in Helsreach?
i forgot about that
storm jungle
Legio Metallica was there yeah
hushed kayak
they pretty much send everything they could at that point
woven sandal
It's kind of the Paradox of 40k's setting being incomprehensibly huge with gigantic conflicts and also needing to sell toys.
atomic pelican
My favorite part abt those big mega expenaive models is how mega doodoo they are on the table
woven sandal
You have these things that are supposed to be super duper rare, but show up everywhere and also have super huge numbers because the setting is just so big.
hushed kayak
how tf do you even use that on the tabletop is the real question. I’ve seen it once at my local store, but god damn
woven sandal
You don't.
atomic pelican
The amount of Heartbreak ove seen after a 1500pt model got killed by cultists
Very high point games
storm jungle
You have these things that are supposed to be super duper rare, but show up ever...
Mostly because 40k is kinda shallow as a puddle at times and can make the entire galaxy as a setting feel so small
rose thorn
how tf do you even use that on the tabletop is the real question. I’ve seen it o...
very very carefully
atomic pelican
Or apoc
woven sandal
Aren't the bigger ones like almost 2k points.
slender orchid
Any art with the old square warlords has them absolutely huge. Some of the new stuff, including the Warhammer + Tau vid. But the tabletop has them only being like 30m tall
hushed kayak
they’re very linear to play aren’t they…
woven sandal
Aren't bigger things typically scaled down in size.
slender orchid
Smallest are Warhounds 2000 points
storm jungle
Aren't bigger things typically scaled down in size.
Yeah they are
slender orchid
Warlords are 5500
hushed kayak
that picture i sent is half my chest wtf
woven sandal
Like, I hear the Manta is supposed to be like 2 or 3 times bigger if it was actually to scale, but for playability/ not having a model that's that fuckhuge on the tabletop they scaled it down a lot.
slender orchid
There is a guy who occasionally shows up who has 3. Pretty sure all 3 are recasts. Don't care, since even the recasts are like $600
atomic pelican
Love that big models actually fail for the same reasons that big walkers wouldnt work irl
no other fire support
taken down by infantry
storm jungle
Lmao
im glad the horus heresy trailer shows that
one orbital bombardment from a ship and you get fucked
storm jungle
Yep
hushed kayak
somehow i’ve seen a single chaos knight work well with someone’s death guard army, against ultramarines.
atomic pelican
Funny because the Vengeful Spirit's beam only does a d3mw max on table LMAO
hushed kayak
surprisingly they won
slender orchid
Knights are small enough they can address targets. Just barely. They actually work better mechanically in HH where they only get their ion shields in one direction like lore.
atomic pelican
Knights are just a weird skew army where theyre basically a anti tank check
If you have AT and dont throw, you win
If you have no At, welcome to the worst game of your life
slender orchid
Or, or, you have an army of 120 guardsmen/neophytes/boys
plush mason
you can actually kill someone with that
tbf you can kill someone with an uno card if you do it right
atomic pelican
LMAO yes
Swarms into knights are so funny
I run 40 Neophytes in a banner blob and they just shrug off their attacks
hushed kayak
don’t they have resurrected cp skill?
atomic pelican
They ressurect for free with banners
slender orchid
Mhm
hushed kayak
fuck
slender orchid
Guardsmen have it under one army, and Plaguebearers have it too.
plush mason
it only takes 76 psi to crush a windpipe so just a minor punch to the adam's apple is enough to kill someone lol
plush mason
Can bring back entire squads that are wiped
attack of the dead men moment
plush mason
they are russian 😛
rose thorn
how owuld you explain warhammer 40k story telling
slender orchid
Each regiment has a specialty/resemblance.
rose thorn
lmao
slender orchid
Valhallans are the "cheap conscripts" regiment.
Think it is even called "send in the next wave"
hushed kayak
so noble sacrifice
storm jungle
hushed kayak
oh god
slender orchid
thats it
Plopping a blob of 40 infantry back on the table was hilarious
think they nerfed it at start of 9th or in an FAQ, costs match points now.
hushed kayak
i’m starting to hate resurrected skills now, i think it got worse after playing against a necron player
hushed kayak
HUH
vapid tiger
I think that was the Vengeful Spirit's beam
Keep in mind that's like a single lance firing
The vengeful spirit has 16 lances
lunar notch
vapid tiger
My favorite part abt those big mega expenaive models is how mega doodoo they are...
They're only ever worth it in the smaller variations
Like knights and superheavy tanks
But even some of those are doodoo
slender orchid
Superheavy tanks are... sadly not great.
vapid tiger
Yep
slender orchid
stares at 2 Baneblades, Shadowsword, and Glaive
hushed kayak
a khorne bezerker with power fist can kill that thing so easily
it’s not even funny lol
vapid tiger
However they performed better in older editions and currently do in hh but even then
They're generally considered only worth using at 4000-5000 points
So that they have proper support
And for sportsmanship reasons
slender orchid
One of my very first 8th ed games was a blood angels (maybe knights of blood, Sanguinius's kids aren't my strong point) captain one rounding my Baneblade
vapid tiger
yep ;-;
I think in hh the only superheavy tank that's actually super ass is the mastodon but that's just because it's overcosted for what it actually does
slender orchid
The Glaive, the only FW tank I own, got nerfed into the BASEMENT with 2.0
AP3 instead of 2, and no haywire
lunar notch
you’re telling me
You spend 2,000 dollars on resin. I spend 20 dollars on resin. We are not the same.
vapid tiger
imo it needs a buff, extend the pitiful range on its melta siege array, improve said array's strength to 9, and give it AV 15 in the front or something so that it actually do its job of being a linebreaker that evaporates everything in front of it
hushed kayak
that’s 2 feet isn’t it and JESUS
vapid tiger
The Glaive, the only FW tank I own, got nerfed into the BASEMENT with 2.0
Also yeah
Although
The glaive was frankly op in 1.0
woven sandal
You spend 2,000 dollars on resin. I spend 20 dollars on resin. We are not the sa...
There's a bunch of other stuff than just material cost that goes into that price.
slender orchid
You spend 2,000 dollars on resin. I spend 20 dollars on resin. We are not the sa...
Think it is more like $100-200, but if that is 20 dollars... totally PM me.
woven sandal
But still, printing a titan is pretty cool.
vapid tiger
There's a bunch of other stuff than just material cost that goes into that price...
I watched a gw price breakdown once that compared it with the mini molding process and its cost in general
hushed kayak
how long did that took you to print and paint?
woven sandal
The curse of extremely low volume products.
hushed kayak
HH somehow made it bearable, but the forgeworld shit is what tops it off
slender orchid
See, for plastic, that is okay. The range (sheer number of products they stock at any point) is huge. FW stuff is almost made to order at this point
vapid tiger
Ya
slender orchid
the amount they charge is bonkers.
vapid tiger
It's nuts
slender orchid
Like, god help me, I want a thunderhawk someday
vapid tiger
I can go buy a recast for something they're selling for 160 dollars for like 25 dollars and it'll probably be better quality
because fw resin can be uh
inconsistent
hushed kayak
sanguinius cost $210 like why
vapid tiger
because mONEY
slender orchid
Is that australia dollarydoos?
hushed kayak
canadian as well
atomic pelican
Keep in mind that's like a single lance firing
Tru
vapid tiger
because fat nerds will pay for it then circlejerk on reddit about their how their "glorious hawkboy" simply must return and then make videos about it on youtube
wolf lord rho's clown ass only discussing primarchs on his channel that's "devoted to all things warhammer" we must kill loretubers
except oculus i like that guy
slender orchid
Uh... stares at HH Guilliman that was $110 and Glaive that was $300
hushed kayak
majorkill and luetin are cool
vapid tiger
majorkill's a cunt who makes normie tier clickbait content i refuse to touch
luetin is alright but read the sauce instead
also has bad takes on some things
slender orchid
startin to sound a bit edgy krug, maybe dial it back? "normie" starts making you sound like some kind of fringe guy
hushed kayak
majorkill's a cunt who makes normie tier clickbait content i refuse to touch
we’re not gonna talk about weshammer?
vapid tiger
startin to sound a bit edgy krug, maybe dial it back? "normie" starts making you...
i mean when you make content that clickbaits surface level lore knowledge then like
yeah it seems like an appropriate term despite being used by incels
you could literally just
look up every army list
and the lore for each unit
lot easier and fulfilling to do than watch a bunch of videos that go on and on about some random detail and have crappy memes in them interspersed in
hushed kayak
i mean, he isn’t that bad per se
slender orchid
Just saying. Self awareness, I am the "well ackshually" super nerdy, hyper literal guy. But I don't expect other people to be. Some people don't want to dig into a fictional world, and just want some cool story beats.
As long as they don't argue like they are an authority or demand lore changes based on limited knowledge, I say let people enjoy it how they like.
hushed kayak
at least he ain’t onesyndicate
vapid tiger
As long as they don't argue like they are an authority or demand lore changes ba...
I agree but the issue is with the types of people who want every single loyalist primarch to return despite not even knowing that sanguinius died in the heresy
that's real I've encountered it some fans are wild
slender orchid
Pssssh. Ferrus is totally coming back. Any day now. Annnnnnny day now.
hushed kayak
sanguinius is chilling
vapid tiger
Sanguinius is chilling in a cave on reach with noble six
wind flicker
krug posts aw yea
slender orchid
The Mechanicus is going to get his desiccated head and build a robot body. He will march again. Sanguinius will pop out of that ball of Molten Gold. Everything will be FINE
hushed kayak
Sanguinius is chilling in a cave on reach with noble six
damn
is it weird how there’s more traitor primarchs than loyalist now?
that return
atomic pelican
No its based
vapid tiger
Pssssh. Ferrus is totally coming back. Any day now. Annnnnnny day now.
I do hope they have ferrus's head featured on fulgrim's daemon primarch model when that's released and initially tease the model as "LOOK FERRUS IS RETURNING"
Then they reveal the mini and it's daemon fulgrim with ferrus's head in a jar or something
slender orchid
Isn't his head still on the vengeful spirit with Abaddon though?
atomic pelican
Gift from Abaddon
vapid tiger
^
hushed kayak
Isn't his head still on the vengeful spirit with Abaddon though?
i thought robute return it to the iron hands?
vapid tiger
would totally make sense actually
Giving fulgrim his brother's head in return for some help with something
slender orchid
Fulgrim was the one who put it in the wood box and chucked it at Horus. Don't think he cares?
vapid tiger
Eh could've changed his mind over 10k years
either way cool opportunity for the sculptors
slender orchid
I mean, if they release him during halloween, could be his halloween mask?
vapid tiger
lmao
hushed kayak
woven sandal
I do hope they have ferrus's head featured on fulgrim's daemon primarch model wh...
Holy shit that's FERRUS MANUS'S MUSIC
lunar notch
IMO, it's a shame that Ferrus is such a non-character considering how good his model is.
hushed kayak
don’t they have the least lore out of all legions?
plush mason
seems so
plush mason
the who?
lunar notch
Exactly.
hushed kayak
plush mason
i was joking btw
hushed kayak
y’know when i started warhammer i thought night lords were gonna have the least lore. NOPE
storm jungle
Night Lords literally only elevate by the trilogy books
slender orchid
That's just how stealthy the Ravenguard are
storm jungle
if those didnt exist they'd still be footnote chaos legion
slender orchid
Yeah. ADB worked wonders with that trilogy
hushed kayak
That's just how stealthy the Ravenguard are
WRONG ALPHA LEGION IS THE ANSWER
plush mason
That's just how stealthy the Ravenguard are
ravenguard are the purple orks of space marines confirmed
slender orchid
They also have a trilogy
atomic pelican
O
hushed kayak
night lord trilogy is a good one despite a decade old
slender orchid
He vanished at the Siege, so it would be here in the next two books probably.
hushed kayak
god i hope the Scouring ties up Sevatar
||HE COULDNT HAVE DIED, SCREW VINDICATION||
slender orchid
There were even the crazy folks who thought he would end up being one of the founding Grey Knights
hushed kayak
YO
lunar notch
If I wanted to simultaneously destroy the old NL lore, but also revitalize them to a brand new crowd of potential fans/collectors, I'd excise the entire schizophrenia hobo thing and turn the entire Legion in the Uchiha Clan of Legions. Where Curze is just Itachi and being the edgiest mother fucker alive. Even give them some sort of eye related genetic mutation that totally isn't a Sharingan.
plucky pendant
NL, AL, BL all do
Alpha legion does?
slender orchid
Alpha legion does?
yep, two books
hushed kayak
did y’all see the potential leak of garro facing mortarion?
hushed kayak
wait what
plucky pendant
Oh yeah there is Legion
slender orchid
I wish Gifs worked. I'd post that "I died, but I lived" ferret
plush mason
hushed kayak
SHEEEESH
plucky pendant
Sweet cover art
plush mason
who da fuck is Garro?
storm jungle
Oh my god
hushed kayak
……
plucky pendant
The homie
slender orchid
smack
storm jungle
where the fuck do we start
hushed kayak
kick him out
storm jungle
tbh i dont blame him
Garo is important but like
you wouldnt know him as an outside HH fan
plush mason
i know literally nothing about the GK so
storm jungle
Basically
storm jungle
loyalist Death Guard lad
hushed kayak
jk
storm jungle
warned the Boyz about horus's betrayal on istvaan
plush mason
loyalist Death Guard lad
sold
storm jungle
then fled to terra to warn the emperor
lunar notch
They mean Gaara, the sand ninja from Naruto.
slender orchid
Garro was a Captain in the Death Guard. Brought the warning to terra. Founder of Grey Knights
Brought together the loyalists from the traitor legions
hushed kayak
warned the Boyz about horus's betrayal on istvaan
actually that wa- gets smacked for being a nerd
plush mason
so like that EC captain?
storm jungle
Kinda
this is the most basic summary you can get
its not that long so give it a read
slender orchid
Tarvitz was also good, but he made the mistake of dying
Garro peaced out from Isstvan
hushed kayak
Tarvitz was also good, but he made the mistake of dying
rip Tarvitz and Rylanor
storm jungle
i think the GK founders are the only sideplot characters left
we got 2 books to go so not sure whats gonna happen to them aside from dying
unless the writers make them "disappear from history"
hushed kayak
was sanguinius gonna get a siege of terra book soon?
storm jungle
Yep hes next
slender orchid
Nah. We only have two left. One coming out in the next few months
slender orchid
Wait, is he the focal point of this one?
hushed kayak
oh god
storm jungle
the writer was talking about how much architectural stuff he studied and such to get it right
hushed kayak
THIS SHIT IS GONNA MAKE ME CRY
wind flicker
the writer was talking about how much architectural stuff he studied and such to...
we stan a fuckin king who studies architecture
hushed kayak
damn all 3 amazing authors
slender orchid
Glorious Hawkboy get smacked when
lunar notch
He should really get on the vox and ask Raldoron for help after he gets done beating the shit out of that baby Skraivok
plush mason
he is the one that made DT's story right?
hushed kayak
gw is very stingy with their story
storm jungle
he is the one that made DT's story right?
Yep its him
and yeah like
im expecting a dumb twist of some sorts
Abnett cannot resist
hushed kayak
the man does make good story
storm jungle
sometimes
slender orchid
"The Emperor is actually Sanguinius and the Emperor is alive oooohhh ahahhh"
plush mason
i wonder what that means for DT lol
slender orchid
or some nonsense
hushed kayak
legion was my favourite of what he wrote
lunar notch
If there is some major twist, it's because GW said so.
slender orchid
Abnett is one of the keepers of the lore bible now. He gets to make major decisions
its why he got to kick off and end the HH
storm jungle
Yeah what Aod said
Abnett is an old guard/ancient
people dont get to boss him around
That only happens when Black Library is dealing with newer authors
who got no leverage
slender orchid
Complete sidenote, but I am still curious as all get out about Reynolds, and why he left after GW put him in charge of AoS
The man got to shape a Warhammer license from the outset and he just... left.
storm jungle
Its probably just life
Gav Thorpe for example doesnt work for GW anymore either
and went freelance
but comes back when asked
lunar notch
He does, but he also wouldn't be allowed to insert a major twist that has possible major repercussions into the current era that could also potentially effect the near future of various factions that might also impact sales in some way without GW saying, "Yes, you can do this." or "You need to do this." You can pull all sorts of wacky twists and nonsense in the middle of your 50 book long series because at the end of the day the only things that matter are the things that happen at the end of said day, which is the Emperor and Horus fight, Sangi dying on that ship, the Emperor ending up on that throne, etc. Anything that diverges from that in a major way only happens because GW said it could or because GW said they wanted it to.
slender orchid
What Dil said
storm jungle
Yeah like it doesnt really matter
unless its something SUPER fucky
Erda was a big shock but we already had like 2 reasons on why the primarchs got scattered
so it was always foggy
wind flicker
Erda was a big shock but we already had like 2 reasons on why the primarchs got ...
erda from eragon right
lunar notch
That's what I am saying. This is the last book. It has to hit specific notes and anything that deviates from this in a major way can't happen without GW signing off on it because it would disrupt the entire timeline, potentially for good.
plush mason
i hope he canonizes that meme about the random guardsmen that shot horus on his flagship lol
slender orchid
Abnett already got to put Enuncia and his other stuff into the Heresy. And then he is writing the final Bequin book, so he is most likely going to tie the end of Heresy into that
storm jungle
^
hushed kayak
i’m still annoyed they retcon what horus said to the emperor when he said kill me i don’t deserve forgiveness
storm jungle
We dont know yet
maybe it will be in
Horus and Big E's interactions so far have al been in the astral plane
slender orchid
We still have Sigismund's line that Horus died weeping and ashamed
storm jungle
since the guy cant get up from his fucking chair
storm jungle
i hope he canonizes that meme about the random guardsmen that shot horus on his ...
Thats arleady happening
somewhat
hushed kayak
We still have Sigismund's line that Horus died weeping and ashamed
yeah i know that was a little nod to it
atomic pelican
Isnt pious a fucking perpetual now tho
atomic pelican
lunar notch
Abnett already got to put Enuncia and his other stuff into the Heresy. And then ...
IMO that's because within the lore of 40k you have a smaller universe of things called the Abnett Extended Universe. Think of it like the MCU, but it's all written by one guy and he wants to tie all of it together because he can.
atomic pelican
Also*
storm jungle
he can still vaporize from existence
literally just
"Anyway, where was I father."
atomic pelican
Perpetuals shouldnt have existed
storm jungle
they are literally the Eternals from marvel
atomic pelican
LMAO
storm jungle
and its even funnier since Abnett wrote FOR Marvel
plush mason
Perpetuals shouldnt have existed
looks at vulkan
hushed kayak
VULKAN LIVES STOMP STOMP
slender orchid
I already did a rant about this, but yeah. Agreed. Don't like em.
storm jungle
Tbh its not that the concept is bad
its more that
STOP SHOVING THEM INTO EVERY SIDEPLOT
THE SIEGE BOOKS STILL HAVE THEM IN SIDE CHAPTERS AND ITS ANNOYING
I DONT CARE ABOUT JOHN SHITMATICUS
slender orchid
I mean, he is basically Abnett's self insert
atomic pelican
John Warhammer
lunar notch
Comic book writers are compelled to crowbar their OC's into everything even the best ones do it, like Hickman.
storm jungle
John Warhammer
his surname is Grammaticus so close enough
atomic pelican
LMAO
plush mason
btw. i just remembered TTS talked about big e having other kids besides the primarchs. was that canon at some point?
hushed kayak
i did not notice that
lunar notch
Still is.
storm jungle
btw. i just remembered TTS talked about big e having other kids besides the prim...
It is
lunar notch
Sensei are canon
storm jungle
nah
slender orchid
Way back in the day, the Sensei
hushed kayak
it is lol
slender orchid
The star child isn't a literal child, at least yet
plush mason
like wtf are they doing in the story if they are still in it
slender orchid
The sensei were his literal flesh and blood kids. From doin the deed. They have been retconned
hushed kayak
wait whatever happen to his emotions again?
storm jungle
what emotions
plush mason
The sensei were his literal flesh and blood kids. From doin the deed. They have ...
ofc
hushed kayak
or is that not a thing anymore?
lunar notch
Emotions?
storm jungle
Are you confusing it with Magnus
hushed kayak
the emperor removing his emotions?
lunar notch
It's questionable if the Emperor ever had emotions.
lunar notch
The Zen Buddhist method.
storm jungle
being tortured for eternity on a psychic toilet does that
plush mason
LOL
hushed kayak
i’m still pissed how magnus turned out
storm jungle
same
hushed kayak
GOD DAMN IT MALCADOR
atomic pelican
being tortured for eternity on a psychic toilet does that
And He Cant Flush
plush mason
being tortured for eternity on a psychic toilet does that
dont forget the diet of 1000 souls per day
lunar notch
storm jungle
LITERALLY
slender orchid
Throne of Light has confirmed it
It didn't though. I've read it. Don't want to have to spoil another book to prove a point. It is a child of incredible significance, but the words Star child are never used. The imagery is all angelic like Sanguinius. could just be a super psyker or something. And at the end of the book we never even get resolution of the plot thread.
atomic pelican
Its John Warhammer
storm jungle
lunar notch
LITERALLY
If you know what this from I'll agree to refrain from arguing with you further on anything. I'll keep it to a low disagreement.
atomic pelican
AlphariSUS
storm jungle
If you know what this from I'll agree to refrain from arguing with you further o...
||Alas I dont 💀 ||
hushed kayak
storm jungle
my dude just steal it
storm jungle
you got nitro too
open a private server
put that emote there
boom, you get to use it
I can walk you through it
hushed kayak
I can walk you through it <:KEK:646309782579445770>
show me but later lmao
storm jungle
Lmfao
hushed kayak
i’m at work
storm jungle
nah its super simple
lunar notch
||Alas I dont 💀 ||
storm jungle
storm jungle
i’m at work
Literally just open your own server for yourself, open the settings, then "open link" the alpharisus emote on a browser
from there just download it and add it to the server emotes
super easy
slender orchid
I do stand corrected, the phrase is used, pg 443.
hushed kayak
imma screen shot this appreciate it
slender orchid
We do never get closure on it though, or anything beyond that brief description.
storm jungle
Well yeah it needs to stay kinda foggy
otherwise people will go even more nuts
that and hinting Big E is gonna return is too drastic atm
slender orchid
I mean, we know he doesn't for awhile? Dark Imperium is set ... honestly how long after the retcon?
storm jungle
Not that much
slender orchid
was originally like 300 years, but think they changed it
storm jungle
Yeah
they kinda realised
"Oh shit we fucked up"
and dialed it back
i think atm the Indomitus Crusade just wrapped
lunar notch
Unrelated, but god I hate the Sanguinor. Just a way for GW to sell a Primarch model without it being a Primarch stat wise, and also subscribing to the JJ Abrams Mystery Box method of story writing cause it'll never be properly explained.
wind flicker
Uke sangy
slender orchid
Pretty sure he is one of the captains. Not Rad, but the other one
The head of the sanguinary guard. Again, the vamp kids aren't my forte
hushed kayak
to this day, i could not tell if Dante was seeing sanguinius as a real thing or an illusion
slender orchid
Alatron
He gets a molten helmet in a likeness of Sanguinius dunked on his head at the end of the Heresy by the head of the Sanguinary guard, made into Sanguinius's herald.
lunar notch
Desc.: The Emperor facing his son Horus Lupercal after the murder of Sanguinius.
slender orchid
He was even called the Sanguinor while Sanguinius was alive. But it could be like Cypher, and be an entirely different marine, who knows.
hushed kayak
cypher is another story, i haven’t read anything about the dark angels. Other than the horus heresy about them
slender orchid
The Lord Cypher was a role in pre Imperium Caliban. Kept on in the legion. Point was an anonymous knight chosen by the Watchers.
In the HH alone I think we go through 3?
vapid tiger
If the emperor gets up i will become very upset
slender orchid
The Jawa guys
vapid tiger
utini
hushed kayak
yeah i remembered
vapid tiger
https://tenor.com/view/jawa-utini-star-wars-jawas-gif-20429464
I TYPED IT FIRST
YOU FUCK
lunar notch
Whoever came up with the Unforgiven plot line for the Dark Angels is simultaneously the most cunning writer of all time and the worst writer of all time. Cunning in that he figured out a way to prevent anyone from having to make the DA's interesting, and worst in that I cannot fathom a worse premise.
hushed kayak
vapid tiger
everybody kill dilara
storm jungle
vapid tiger
run over dilara in this
slender orchid
Ewwwwww
storm jungle
vapid tiger
but you love it
storm jungle
I hate it
vapid tiger
it doesn't look too bad
slender orchid
That is the new Squat Rover/tank?
vapid tiger
It's an atv apparently
slender orchid
how do GSC vehicles look better?
hushed kayak
how tf is that an atv
vapid tiger
Looks like a mars rover crossed with a weird retro spaceship
vapid tiger
yeah it do look kind of starcraft oh god oh fuck
storm jungle
DUDE
lunar notch
Looks better than my fucking stupid WW2 era hovercraft that moonlights as a tank.
vapid tiger
like the fucking
vapid tiger
exo armor giys
storm jungle
YES
vapid tiger
Oh god
atomic pelican
GSC vehicles have a certain grime and lower tech
slender orchid
I am fine with GW stealing from Blizz, since Blizz stole... everything from GW?
atomic pelican
vapid tiger
whoever designed the leagues really likes starcraft
slender orchid
that is blatant
storm jungle
like
we arent even reaching
THE FUCKING VISOR
IS LITERALLY THE SAME
SO ARE THE PAULDRONS
😩
slender orchid
the bolter too
storm jungle
god end me
slender orchid
lol
vapid tiger
Should've made them the eggs
hushed kayak
still kinda shock that starcraft was originally warhammer
wind flicker
I thought horuses last name was heresy?
slender orchid
I miss the eggs
hushed kayak
Should've made them the eggs
wtf
lunar notch
I thought horuses last name was heresy?
Maiden name
vapid tiger
Should've added this cat too
atomic pelican
His full name is Horus Heresy Warhammer
slender orchid
Squat termies were legit back in the day.
So were their dumb train tank things.
Did they have an actual mini for the big command tank, or were there just instructions in a white dwarf? or Was it literally just a picture of someone's cutom piece?
atomic pelican
I like his jeans
slender orchid
Did someone say terrible ideas from RT era 40k?
I see your awful and raise you dumb
