its always fighting against "evil aliens"
#40k-lore-chat
storm jungle
vapid tiger
Yet you have stuff like the 9th ed deathwatch codex where everything about the deathwatch fluff there is like "yeah these guys are horrible bastards they make anti-psyker devices out of eldar skulls" but then there's text like "WITHOUT THE DEATHWATCH HUMANITY WOULD BE DOOMED TO EXISTENTIAL THREATS LIKE THE TAU"
It's schizophrenic
final spruce
Always has been
unique berry
Jesus krug
upbeat saddle
play as SM's or you are an NPC
storm jungle
play as SM's or you are an NPC
God that dude was the worst lmao
fierce pendant
I mean there's a reason why they're doing this as Zher said, to appeal to the larger fanbase that won't look too deep into the lore either, so they even won't know lore of Deathwatch and just have the whole oh "these guys look cool" moment.
final spruce
At the end of the day GW wants you to buy minis
upbeat saddle
mmmm plastic
fierce pendant
It kinda proves itself with how Total War Fantasy game shown how Empire and High Elves were most popular 
upbeat saddle
I love throwing minis into the sea
fierce pendant
People didn't read into what high elves do or how Empire operates in lore
upbeat saddle
if you throw your plastic minis in the sea the sealife will be really greatful
fierce pendant
they just liked "good guys" humans vibe and "good guys" high elves vibe
storm jungle
to be fair
upbeat saddle
they don't get many minis in the ocean
storm jungle
the Empire of Man in fantasy minus the religious dogma are pretty much good folk
fierce pendant
ye
upbeat saddle
as good as you can get at least
storm jungle
Yeah
vapid tiger
Tbf the empire and high elves in fantasy are moreso just assholes than outright evil
fierce pendant
it's just appealing to wider audiance that won't even read the lore or small flavor etxt
storm jungle
like its literally just medieval feudal life
vapid tiger
Whereas in 40k everyone is straight up evil
fierce pendant
Tbf the empire and high elves in fantasy are moreso just assholes than outright ...
ye but average fan won't even bother reading into even that tidbit
they'll just see fancy bright colors and aling them with "good"
and ppl love that ;y
upbeat saddle
I miss the more neutral factions of fantasy
storm jungle
they'll just see fancy bright colors and aling them with "good"
Yeah this.
Your average brainless 40k fan only learns stuff through youtube videos.
upbeat saddle
like ogres for example are extremely neutral
final spruce
Whereas in 40k everyone is straight up evil
Nah, now we got LoV
unique berry
Im getting Red Army flashbacks with the Astra Militarum lol
storm jungle
awful
storm jungle
like ogres for example are extremely neutral
They just wanna EAT
fierce pendant
like ogres for example are extremely neutral
what you can beat you can eat
vapid tiger
Nah, now we got LoV
Tru
upbeat saddle
they will work for anyone and trade with anyone for f o o d
storm jungle
thats what I love about ogres
upbeat saddle
greatest philosophy
storm jungle
they dont hate anyone
storm jungle
LEGIT.
upbeat saddle
they eat vampires hahhaha
storm jungle
upbeat saddle
tasty
storm jungle
🥩
fierce pendant
its funny how skaven and ogres are technically countered by fucking skelies and zombies
"I can't eat that"
fierce pendant
I mean rotten meat
upbeat saddle
how rude
storm jungle
Even the mongolian-vore-enthusiasts have their limits
final spruce
True, they also don't eat Nurgle because it actually gives em stomach aches irc
And the death that follows
fierce pendant
Shame daemons just flee into the void, memes about different flavored daemons for ogres were top tier
fierce pendant
khorne=spicy
fierce pendant
power fantasy goblin
upbeat saddle
mf got forced to eat troll meat
upbeat saddle
yes
storm jungle
troll milk
upbeat saddle
hahahaha
storm jungle
🥛
fierce pendant
**troll milk**
"Yea, me milked a Centigor. Sweet boy 'e woz..."
serene jungle
dilly no
fierce pendant
ty now I can correct it
🪣
serene jungle
storm jungle
Eat my shorts
errant pike
interesting
cerulean wagon
eat pant
plush mason
Even the mongolian-vore-enthusiasts have their limits
ty for cursing me with this
tawdry escarp
Warhawks are all stormtroopers, right?
They go through stormtrooper training in the Schola Progenium
barren tapir
Nope
Harakoni and Elysian are similar, but differ in equipment and how they approach battle, Elysians are more small drops and holding out until reinforcements arrive, Harakoni are more full aerial drop
They are both elite mind you, but while one is for rapid response and action one is more about "d-day" full paradrop action
alpine ingot
"Old 'em down ladz."
final words he heard before being carted off to the "milk" camps
rose thorn
I just got the general hands book, I have an army, everything I need to play AOS
Except friends
rose thorn
What’s your favorite weird random fact that means literally nothing in 40K
grand minnow
What’s your favorite weird random fact that means literally nothing in 40K
The name origin for the land raider
atomic pelican
I just got the general hands book, I have an army, everything I need to play AOS
Just play at a local store my girl
rose thorn
I don’t have a local one the closest store is 2 hours aways
rose thorn
Those tend to be better anyway imo
Nope
atomic pelican
Rip
rose thorn
Ikr
grand minnow
Indoctrinate your friends to play it
rose thorn
I have no irl friends because
I’m an ✨unsocial nerd✨
I shath be spend my days surrounded by unpainted plastic
grand minnow
I dunno, theres probably a tournament place near you or something
grand minnow
I shath be spend my days surrounded by unpainted plastic
Also if you have someone with know how, you could play online but you wouldnt realy have a way to show off your models
vapid tiger
I have no irl friends because
I’m an ✨unsocial nerd✨
Yeah but what if you became a social nerd
I'm working on that since my job requires me to constantly socially interact
rose thorn
When I worked I was a lot more social
But I just moved and I’m trying to get a job
So I’m all like
vapid tiger
Oh sucks
vapid tiger
Darktide discord help group
rose thorn
lore question, are daemons allowed to renounce their allegiance? like can some daemonettes say fuck it and side with belakor or tzeentch or something
i know belakor has a daemon army but im not sure if they follow him or if its a rental thing
atomic pelican
Higher daemons can seek out their own goals beyond just their god
Belakor is a higher daemon himself, with the capability of binding lesser ones to his cause
Well, a daemon prince but
Same difference
atomic pelican
Sort of like a contract but more esoteric. I believe It's more like, for example, daemons of khorne manifesting to follow in Be'lakor's wake, knowing he will lead them to slaughter
They do similar things with CSM, manifesting in their wake and practically crawling around on them because of their emotion/such
rose thorn
so its like a celebrity thing, 'oh yeah will this belakor guy will be havoc and torment, and so if i go where he goes i will cause havoc and torment.'
grand minnow
Yeah even though be'lakor got spurned by the chaos gods, he still serves chaos in his own way
rose thorn
ah okay, so the daemons still follow their god
so thier banners will still have x god's symbol and shit
atomic pelican
Be'Lakor is kind of in that tier of Champion where Daemons, and to a lesser extent, the gods, fight for his favor rather than the other way around
woven sandal
lore question, are daemons allowed to renounce their allegiance? like can some ...
Daemons are part of the god. My foot can't go become your foot if it wants to.
rose thorn
Be'Lakor is kind of in that tier of Champion where Daemons, and to a lesser exte...
ah sick, Belakor my beloved
the best daemon prince
slender orchid
Belakor is special, being the first and all. So powerful he nearly became a god, then the four chained him down and said "nope". But like a cartoon villain he keeps trying, queue AoS
Of course in 40k Lorgar is also a Daemon prince of Chaos undivided. And so is Perturabo apparently? With literally not a single short story?
atomic pelican
Probably gonna be awhile, big story releases usually come alongside a update and its likely that Angron is the next daemon primarch model
Angron and then later on, Fulgrim probs when EC get their own book
plush mason
seems 10e is coming and the lion is a part of it
atomic pelican
SUPPOSEDLY the big marine character might be the Sanguinor instead
But its all speculation on that front
woven sandal
Of course in 40k Lorgar is also a Daemon prince of Chaos undivided. And so is Pe...
Yeah. Can't have some sort of major non-Chaos person opposed to the Imperium, now can we?
slender orchid
May have already said this here, but my guess is they are bringing back the Secundus trio. Lion is obvious, but the Dawn of Fire books are playing with Sanguinius imagery. They have retconned the condition of his body too. Add in whatever is happening with Valdor, and weird stuff could be afoot. Sanguinius revived or Dorn returned would be great. The whole "Imperium split in two" is so reminiscent of the Ruinstorm. Time repeating itself, etc.
alpine ingot
What’s your favorite weird random fact that means literally nothing in 40K
Ork's have tried and failed to trade hair squiggs with the Imperium. They don't seem to understand why humans would not want a vibrantly colored top knot instead being happy with more "boring" colored hair. Though this could be old old lore and no longer a thing.
vapid tiger
May have already said this here, but my guess is they are bringing back the Secu...
I hope dorn is retconned back into a whole skeleton onboard the phalanx and that sanguinius stays dead, fight me
storm jungle
I dread any primarch returning tbh
its unbearable and will just be another fucking horus heresy copy paste with endless fanboying
brittle nebula
What if it’s Senguinus or Khan?
I would think the Gman would at least try to get along with them
storm jungle
Sanguinius coming back would ruin the entire point of his sacrifice
brittle nebula
?
storm jungle
Bruh
he literally gets killed fighting Horus
like entirely smashed by a mace
he died for Big E and pretty much the entirety of the Imperium
why even bring him back aside from milking money from Blood Angel fans
brittle nebula
And I’ve some how missed it
storm jungle
brittle nebula
I’m not that surprised. I miss a lot of things
storm jungle
vapid tiger
Also sanguinius coming back would kind of uh
Ruin the blood angels
Black rage and all
Also the entire point of Sanguinius's character is that he dies fighting Horus
That's why he's written as nearly "perfect"
To make it tragic that his best friend kills him
distant parcel
i have found my new favourite ork
rocky dune
I love the grimy feel of a lot of the old art. A lot of the new ones feel generic and too clean
vapid tiger
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ljDV6mCduvI/U6vmIdYTWJI/AAAAAAAACaY/z92whCgAgpk/s1600/...
Love this one featuring a rogue trader, his sage, a marine commander of some sort, a squat and an eldar strategizing
With two marines in the background chatting
Presumably one going "i don't trust that fucking alien brother jimbo"
zinc snow
I love the grimy feel of a lot of the old art. A lot of the new ones feel generi...
Same one of my favorite 40k pieces is a picture of the Golden Throne and BigE from that time.
zinc snow
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e4/f3/22/e4f32206c03770f37d2df5f76eee02e2.jpg
It's in this style. And it looks super messed up and gritty and terrible.
storm jungle
Same one of my favorite 40k pieces is a picture of the Golden Throne and BigE fr...
The one where hes in like a cone?
storm jungle
Its so nasty, I love it
scenic lantern
storm jungle
Yeah rogue trader was a lot like that
zinc snow
The big skeleton in a room of gold is iconic for sure. But there's something especially grim and vile about that picture that really sets in how dire the situation is.
icy pagoda
I don't know why but this gives me big loss.jpg vibes
tawdry escarp
Do CSM still recruit?
Or are they just finitely malding in the Eye of Terror?
zinc snow
I think it depends.
New marines turn traitor every day, so they aren't finite. However, Crusade/Heresy Era vets sure as hell are.
If I remember right most CSM geneseed is too unstable to use to make new marines but I think maybe some of the more stable OG Legions still try it?
So for summary. Are CSM finite, no. Are original Legionnaires finite, yes. Do CSM recruit like normal marines, eeehh maybe? lmao
tawdry escarp
Has there ever been a more accurate word to describe Space Marines than mald
vapid tiger
CSM do recruit like normal marines but have to steal loyalist geneseed to do it
In fact in some legions the amount of marines has grown
The death guard for example have more marines in the 41st millennium than they did at their great crusade peak, though they are more disorganized
the amount of hh veterans is finite tho yeah
grizzled grove
Hmm, what does Big E think of biological/genetic modification outside of the Astartes program?
vapid tiger
idk he's a skeleton
hoary ingot
Do CSM still recruit?
Or are they just finitely malding in the Eye of Terror?
Im not that into CSM but i know the Daemonculaba was used to generate new marines.
brittle nebula
Thank you for reminding me about that
hoary ingot
Emperor protects
tawdry escarp
Im not that into CSM but i know the Daemonculaba was used to generate new marine...
I don't know what that is and at this point I don't want to
hoary ingot
It contains high levels of grim dank
brittle nebula
That is the understatement of the century.
hoary ingot
Lets talk about something less controversial ...
brittle nebula
Pls
hoary ingot
The bloodtide maibe lol
brittle nebula
The what?
grizzled grove
Im not that into CSM but i know the Daemonculaba was used to generate new marine...
given the reactions, I maaay have saw an image of that in 1d4chan.
brittle nebula
Wait I just remembered, Isn’t it that the SoB and Grey Knight “incident”
brittle nebula
and dumb
hoary ingot
Also that
brittle nebula
every time I remember that I just laugh for some reason
hoary ingot
brittle nebula
lmao that was a good episode
hoary ingot
Sister i need your blood ... WAIT A MINUTE
grizzled grove
"I would like a bucket of sororitas blood PLEASE!" https://youtu.be/swHawcrVo5A
rose thorn
OH thats cool in the perfection audio drama they openly state the emperors children are purely loosing because they lack leadership, even in the simple battle where they have an overwhelming advantage with help of the berserkers they are suffering pretty badly
grizzled grove
good thing Hunter: The Parenting is here to fill in it's boots
storm jungle
its quality compared to TTS is already pretty insane
atomic pelican
Do CSM still recruit?
Or are they just finitely malding in the Eye of Terror?
They do, it depends on the legion how, but most all of them simply steal loyalist geneseed
From there its p much the same way loyalists make new marines
rose thorn
PFfF im listening to lucius the eternal blade and idk why i didn tliek him hes fucking great
hes so ungodly fucking petty and spiteful its great
vapid tiger
Hahaha its a story from the grey knights codex, 7 ed i think
5th ed dum dum
hoary ingot
5th ed dum dum
can you point me to the book that deals with the whole bloodtide thing ? i remember reading somewhere that there is an entire backstory on the thing appart from the story from the codex
vapid tiger
can you point me to the book that deals with the whole bloodtide thing ? i remem...
5th ed grey knights codex
hoary ingot
5th ed grey knights codex
i´ve read the codex, but i think there is more story apart from that that deals with the bloodtide, but im not sure
just found it, "its Hunt for Voldorius"
hoary ingot
ye, i wanted to read the previos one, not the one with the grey knights making blood totems
after im finished with eisenhorn hereticus i guess
rose thorn
so do the flesh eater courts actually get fucking lore?
or is it a tryanid thing?
AOS btw
like i cant imagine there will be a flesh eater court POV story
because they aer insane zombie vampires
slender orchid
The closest I think Flesh eater courts have come to a POV novel was the Gotrek book against them. A third of it is from their perspective. The King of the court seeing everything as it was, blended with current reality. He gets the occasional glimpse of reality and it horrified him.
Shrugged it off as a magic trick of his enemies. Actually cared for his subjects, the future of his kingdom, his lords, was interesting
rose thorn
That’s super cool
zinc snow
The closest I think Flesh eater courts have come to a POV novel was the Gotrek b...
So basically the Zahndrekh of Warhammer Fantasy?
cunning wigeon
so do the flesh eater courts actually get fucking lore?
I seem to remember there being some lore with them and the nature of their curse, some dude called the carrion king I think? I know someone on this server told me about them not sure who though
twin hamlet
I wonder how they're going to introduce Angry Ron in the lore. It's going to be glorious
storm jungle
Just another Daemon Primarch wrecking havoc
since he was always there
just not really represented well
final spruce
Well in the case of Angron, its actually worse
"Initially Angron and his escorts decimated the Grey Knights, the Primarch wiping out five Grey Knights Terminators with a single stroke of his Black Blade. However thanks to the psychic might of the young recruit Hyperion, the Black Blade was shattered and the Grey Knights were now at a significant advantage. Soon after, Brother-Captain Taremar Aurellian was killed while personally banishing Angron back to the warp for a hundred years and a day."
He faced people with plot armour
slender orchid
Months of Shame is the book
Angron destroys something like 300-400 Grey Knights. Alone.
Would have won if it weren't for Hyperion's weird McGuffin powers, he is a "psychic mirror"
Angron has made multiple appearances, just kind of a footnote. He gets treated more like just another named Bloodthirster. Like KhaBhanda or Skarbrand
storm jungle
Yeah this
the daemon primarchs are largely not allowed to ever do anything
since they are notably OP and would steamroll most peeps
slender orchid
No central identified curse for the Flesh Eaters yet in AoS. The two I can think of, the court in Gotrek and the court in a Stormcast/Mannfred book are wildly different. The delusions are the same. Also GW loved messing with fans of bretonnia with the actual minis. Seen a fan theory bounce around the Black Grail survived the End Times and is responsible
Yeah. Can't wait for Fulgrim. Given he is the one who almost gibbed my liege, Papa Smurf. Feel like Guilliman may take that a touch personal.
I'm wondering if Chaos isn't moving toward a League of Eeeeevil type thing. The footnotes for Lorgar imply he may emerge too. So one Daemon Primarch for each Power, and the one of Chaos undivided. Feel like that would completely eclipse Abaddon and any more grounded fight.
storm jungle
They'll probably still stay as side-characters
all the daemon-primarchs more or so got their own goals in mind
Abby thinks on the bigger picture
slender orchid
Morty and Magnus were extremely active when they got their minis though
storm jungle
I mean kinda
Magnus got his ass kicked
again
Morty also got his ass kicked
through supreme plot armor
again
chaos primarchs can never really get wins
slender orchid
Because if they did, that would be a linear story with definitive, crappy endpoint.
slender orchid
No? We saw it? Warhammer Fantasy End Times
storm jungle
No?
Why would GW end the setting
just because a daemon primarch got a win?
its the galaxy, who cares
slender orchid
If the Imperium wins, you can always take back the win. Or throw out a new, big scary threat
storm jungle
Nah
thats just bad writing
The Imperium getting constant wins is a dumb and repetitive issue
slender orchid
They don't though.
The actual breaking of suspension of disbelief is the sheer number of losses the Imperium has. They should be dead.
storm jungle
They don't though.
They do though.
slender orchid
How many worlds get exterminatused or wiped clean of life in stories? There are a finite number of worlds. How many armies wiped or corrupted?
storm jungle
Basically none that are important
as usual
since 40k's scale makes the entire galaxy as a setting pretty dull
same as how Guilliman got stabbed by a soul-wounding blade by Morty yet gets a second-wind by the Emperor out of nowhere because the plot demands it.
It's stale.
slender orchid
See, now you are being facetious. You went from they never lose, to it doesn't matter
storm jungle
sigh
slender orchid
They do lose. Often
storm jungle
They dont
and again
not in a way that matters
one tiny battle written off in a codex isnt that critical
slender orchid
K.
storm jungle
cunning wigeon
I think the point Dil is making is that losing planet shitmcpiss isn't a real loss to the imperium because it was only made up to make another faction look good
It's not like something like Baal which is well established so the loss of it would have meaning and leave those involved with actual character growth and depth...but then again space marines need their plot armour to keep all that personality in
slender orchid
No, I addressed that. Dil ignored it and made contradictory statements in the span of three lines.
If you start qualifying the losses as having to mean something you enter a narrative trap
cunning wigeon
It's really not that deep mate
slender orchid
You either have to diminish the faction, reducing their future capacity
cunning wigeon
Like it really isn't
For it to be a loss, something has to actually be lost
If you make up something only to then lose it, nothing was actually lost as it didn't even exist before hand
slender orchid
Or turn around and give them a Deus ex machina to reverse the situation. Invalidating the loss, which even Dil called poor writing
cunning wigeon
It's pretty much all poor writing, 40k is hardly renowned for being a coherent meaningful universe is it
slender orchid
It is as if you don't read what you are writing? Yes. You more or less just repeated my point
cerulean wagon
How many worlds get exterminatused or wiped clean of life in stories? There are ...
na i do agree on this
outside of cadia imperium has lost nowhere important
Baal should have fallen, it would have beena lot less gary stue, and a lore more interesting
slender orchid
One last attempt. Since we have a specific example now.
If Baal had fallen, then the Blood Angels would be wiped out with their successors. A founding chapter, the legion effectively gone.
This diminishes the faction, the setting, and breaks the game
Or, you start doing caveats
"so many survive and rebuild elsewhere"
Meaning, as you put it, nothing is really lost
And things continue in status quo
cunning wigeon
More or less yeah, the setting is stagnant.
storm jungle
There isn't a game to break though.
The lore makes like so many backflips of logic just to explain new minis and factions existing.
cerulean wagon
no they wouldn't, they would just be cut down in number or reduced to be being a mobile fleet based chapter
this doesn't demean anything in the setting, it adds risk
See: cadia, in which one of the major guard home worlds, and the gateway to the eye of terror, has fallen
cerulean wagon
cadians aren't "gone", if anything it has made them more interesting, because its the remnants of a dead world refusing to bend a knee
slender orchid
So, now we have to qualify what counts as a substantial loss, which is relative to the person obviously
cunning wigeon
Well a loss is quite simply something is lost?
cerulean wagon
i never said substantial loses, i said baal should have fallen
i never defined a loss rate, just the loss of a world, instead of deus ex daemon
slender orchid
All three of you just argued that losses of worlds don't matter or count. Not paraphrasing.
Because it didn't substantially affect things
cerulean wagon
the loss of made up worlds matter not, the loss of named core worlds matter
cunning wigeon
It just wouldn't change much because 40k is stagnant as hell
slender orchid
"If you make up something only to then lose it, nothing was actually lost as it didn't even exist before hand"
cerulean wagon
things with story and attatchment
slender orchid
"outside of cadia imperium has lost nowhere important"
cerulean wagon
as you said, the loss of a legion home world is a big deal, and thats why it needs to happen
slender orchid
Annnd now we are back to qualifying the losses
cunning wigeon
"If you make up something only to then lose it, nothing was actually lost as it ...
Yes, if you make it up to lose it, how is Baal, a well defined world, made up only to lose
cerulean wagon
If Baal had fallen, then the Blood Angels would be wiped out with their successo...
man literally qualifies the loss here then complains we are qualifying losses smh
slender orchid
Because by that logic there are only a handful of meaningful victories or losses you could ever have.
cerulean wagon
This diminishes the faction, the setting, and breaks the game
"nooo we can't lose a chapter that'd be bad"
slender orchid
I point out the effect on the setting.
cunning wigeon
These mental gymnastics are nuts.
Let me make it much easier to understand yeah.
Planet exists in one book only to be lost in that book = nothing lost
Planet that exists in multiple books goes boom = planet lost, ultimately setting barely effected
twin hamlet
By the same token though, Mortarion never lost because he is still here same with any other chaos primarch. I don't remember any significant chaos character dying
cerulean wagon
the effect on the setting is qualifying a loss
as the effect is what would happen from the loss
cerulean wagon
By the same token though, Mortarion never lost because he is still here same wit...
yup, no major space marine character has died ever
it needs to happen more
normalize braining space marines
slender orchid
And again, I pointed out you can do it, but you either have to diminish a faction, or reverse it. Aka bad writing. Because Warhammer is a setting, not a plot.
twin hamlet
nah. i disagree there. Unless that is needed, no reason to alienate the fans of a faction
cerulean wagon
it worked fine with the fall of cadia, i don't see why they can't do it elsewhere
the fall of cadia is a interesting lore point of the setting and fun to work around
slender orchid
Thousands of people have spent actual money, hundreds to thousands of dollars, on building Blood Angels armies. If we went with the Baal lost scenario, you invalidate ALL of that
cerulean wagon
people have spent money on cadian armies
cunning wigeon
No you don't
cerulean wagon
your point?
cunning wigeon
A faction can exist without a planet
cerulean wagon
^
cunning wigeon
Literally they already exist
There are even space marines factions without home worlds
cerulean wagon
cadia doesn't exist, nor does biel tan, both factions still exist and can be fielded
cunning wigeon
Recruiting from all over isn't a foreign concept
slender orchid
Okay, if people cannot acknowledge what they JUST said you are being childish
""nooo we can't lose a chapter that'd be bad"
twin hamlet
losing a chapter /= losing a homeworld
cerulean wagon
thats what we are sayin nodens
baal should have fallen, doesn't mean BA would be dead
slender orchid
Welp, this is going nowhere.
cerulean wagon
just would have been more interesting for the wider setting
storm jungle
nah. i disagree there. Unless that is needed, no reason to alienate the fans of ...
GW literally alienates faction all the time.
Did you see the time space marine fans screamed at custodians killing a marine chapter 
slender orchid
Peace out for now.
cunning wigeon
This whole conversation is coming across as those people that claim 40k is super deep and has tons of lore only for less than 5% of it to be meaningful at all
storm jungle
Lmao yeah
cunning wigeon
The setting doesn't change
It can't change
Because then gw has to make difficult decisions
cerulean wagon
i like how he left the moment i pointed out other examples of the thing im saying should happen happening
storm jungle
so you cant hurt your main toy-soldiers
cunning wigeon
It is all surface level shit
cerulean wagon
but because its a space marine planet it can't happen
cerulean wagon
rip cadia
cunning wigeon
40k is just skin deep lore anyway
cerulean wagon
biel tan less so, but i love the idea of the biel tan super fleet
cunning wigeon
There is very little actual meaningful shit
twin hamlet
GW literally alienates faction all the time.
Did you see the time space marine ...
The didn't kill some relevant marine chapter. If you say for example , deathwing is not a thing anymore you're alienating all of the DA players. Some random no name chapter, who cares
cerulean wagon
The didn't kill some relevant marine chapter. If you say for example , deathwing...
thats what we are saying is it should be normalized to do that to marines, since it happens to all other factions
behemoth is dead, cadia has fallen, biel tan is fractured
cunning wigeon
The didn't kill some relevant marine chapter. If you say for example , deathwing...
But then the setting is so purposefully massive you could say "oh but these were a small surviving team that were somewhere else at the time"
You don't have to elaborate
cerulean wagon
and yet Baal gets saved by khorne demons
cunning wigeon
It's a massive setting so you can do whatever the fuck you want
Make up planet shitmcpiss and then have it invaded by a Slaanesh aligned death guard warband, there's probably some explanation for how that works
twin hamlet
The writing of Ba'al was bad bad. I assume they need the planet for reasons so they just wrote themseles out of a corner.
cerulean wagon
they need the planet because the BA are just a terribly written gary stue faction
thats about as far as it goes im afraid
cunning wigeon
Jojo librarian
cerulean wagon
twin hamlet
Random chapters die though. What chapter am i thinking that they died to the last man on a retreat on a tomb world
trying to google it can't find it
storm jungle
Yeah named ones never suffer any defeat really
cerulean wagon
like, CADIA has fallen, THE guard faction
and behemoth of all hive fleets
meanwhile SM get a gentle slap on the wrist
storm jungle
40k basically has no stakes.
Unless its main line marines yeah
Ragnar decapitates Ghaz
twin hamlet
astral knights. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Astral_Knights
storm jungle
because fuck orks i guess
cerulean wagon
god don't get me started
storm jungle
storm jungle
LMAO
like at least make it Yarrick, who gives a shit
but of course he doesnt have a mini
cerulean wagon
hes so upset that abadon is just better ghaz at the same price point now
storm jungle
because fuck Guard
cerulean wagon
storm jungle
cerulean wagon
LoV gettin 9e before guard
storm jungle
a true meme
cunning wigeon
hes so upset that abadon is just better ghaz at the same price point now
Dw next edition I'm sure if orks come after he'll be better
Correct me if I'm wrong but patience seems the best thing in 9e
cerulean wagon
uhh kinda
cunning wigeon
Your codex releases later = more rules bloat
cunning wigeon
Like the new daemons anti anti invuls
40k shills explaining how that isn't rules bloat
Grey knights will end up getting some kinda anti anti anti invul rule I'm sure
cunning wigeon
honestly 9e is just kinda horrible now
There are some post custard winners, both knights and GSC to mind
Neither seen completely ridiculous
Or at least not as bad as nids and tau
cunning wigeon
god HoD is aweful
HoD?
cerulean wagon
hail of doom
auto wounding on a hit roll of a 6, the wound counts as a 6 aswell so their shuriken weapons are auto wounding at -3 AP
cunning wigeon
Ah okay, thought it was some faction acronym I was drawing a blank on
cerulean wagon
its a custom craftworld trait
final spruce
Mandalore has a good video on it
plush mason
i mean. why not just make a space marine fps given how the game is already 90% imperial/sm
why shoehorn the tau in at all
vapid tiger
Tau are cool
The game was also coming out while the tau were still relatively new
So I imagine gw told the game devs that they wanted to promote them
storm jungle
why shoehorn the tau in at all
Same reason why marines get shoehorned into every game
💵
plush mason
So I imagine gw told the game devs that they wanted to promote them
well they did a shit job of that
storm jungle
I mean not really
fire warrior is a big meme but still is memorable to this day
compared to about half the other crap 40k games barely anyone remembers
plush mason
still playing the b plot of a game that claims to be about tau and the fire warriors seems kind of lame
ofc it is very true to how GW treats every faction that isnt the LSM
even when they are the "star" of the story they are still just the b plot to whatever the fuck the space marines are doing at the same time
errant pike
i got stuff 
cunning wigeon
cunning wigeon
i got stuff <:Smug:736624565588983848>
Any cool night lord lore in the new CSM codex?
storm jungle
Any cool night lord lore in the new CSM codex?
1 sec fam i got u
cunning wigeon
Cool lore, not more flaying porn please
errant pike
i got to the page
alas it's in italian, the only warhammer product i have in my mother language
cunning wigeon
Oh nice! Not really sure how good gw is at localisation is actually, guess that's a privilege of being British
Are they pretty shit usually?
storm jungle
Cool lore, not more flaying porn please
errant pike
the italian translations on the pick your legion test were pretty shit
a friend of mine likes the death guard and in the email it said that mortarion constructs highways of cadavers with his scythe
there's this pretty cool border on the pages
the art is also gorgeous
vapid tiger
i got stuff <:Smug:736624565588983848>
Based
errant pike
a lot of is recycled
ye
vapid tiger
cunning wigeon
a friend of mine likes the death guard and in the email it said that mortarion c...
Good to know he took up construction, cool lore, though a scythe probably isn't the best tool
cunning wigeon
Thank you Dil, reliable as always
cunning wigeon
Ooh damn, I quite like the aesthetic and idea of the night lords but don't know enough of their lore really
tired umbra
Imagine the absolute worst possible people you could ever imagine.
tired umbra
Now give them steroids and military grade gear
cunning wigeon
I know there is a bit of an obsession with writers and flaying
tired umbra
That's Night Lords
plush mason
Ooh damn, I quite like the aesthetic and idea of the night lords but don't know ...
they invent new war crimes for fun
atomic pelican
They also are now the only CSM who can get jump packs and thats hilarious
+Zoomy and Spookem on table
errant pike
sevatar the man
plush mason
sevatar the bro
errant pike
competitive night lords are raptors spam
with the dude that buffs daemons
don't remember the name
atomic pelican
Master of possession?
cunning wigeon
Was thinking of kitbashing the new phobos kill team into some nightlords
No idea how easy or hard that would be but I can't imagine too difficult
cunning wigeon
So I get the focus on terror tactics, but do they get carried away and just end up being edgy
tired umbra
Yes
They get the MOST carried away.
Their primarch Konrad Curze is an absolute madman. The worst.
He legit skinned a woman alive because she attempted suicide in his hellscape of a planet.
Because THAT is how warped and messed up he is.
cunning wigeon
Their primarch Konrad Curze is an absolute madman. The worst.
Wasn't he kinda mates with Corvus?
cunning wigeon
Ah okay, seem to remember reading something that Corvus had made him some gifts so assumed they were on somewhat good terms
Not good enough terms to not take part in the drop site massacre but still
tired umbra
Curze hated everyone and pretty much everyone hated him.
cunning wigeon
Oh found it, Corvus made Konrad a custom weapon he was going to give him as a gift but then the dropsite thing happened so he never got it
storm jungle
LMAO
errant pike
So I get the focus on terror tactics, but do they get carried away and just end ...
define edgy
storm jungle
this is like you on your way to your mate's house to drop them a gift but you find out they burned your home down
errant pike
they are edgy but what do you mean with edgy
tired umbra
They totally get off on being edgy
errant pike
yea it's not the 13 year old world cutting edge
tired umbra
Them being edgy is their best trait
cunning wigeon
they are edgy but what do you mean with edgy
As in, terror tactics have their place as a genuine strategy, but going out of your way to just disembowel or skin people is being edgy in my book
errant pike
As in, terror tactics have their place as a genuine strategy, but going out of y...
yes
errant pike
in the omnibus there's scenes of the marines leaving skinned bodies around in a world they are hunting in
well the aftermath
not them actually leaving them
tired umbra
And Curze's throne room has floors covered in screaming and crying mouths.
That are being kept alive with techno fuckery
errant pike
aka the screaming gallery
cunning wigeon
Ah okay, probably not a good fit with me then, Raven Guard use some terror tactics too right? Just not to that degree
tired umbra
Yeah
tired umbra
Nah. They don't. They do it. But for different reasons.
storm jungle
Ah okay, probably not a good fit with me then, Raven Guard use some terror tacti...
Basically Night Lords but more "good"
they are good at stealth and guerilla tactics
also enciting rebellions and whatnot, just not to Alpha Legion levels
their entire deal was being liberators ala Corvus
errant pike
"Surprise is an insubstantial blade, a sword worthless in war.
It breaks when troops rally. It snaps when commanders hold the line.
But fear never fades.
Fear is a blade that sharpens with use.
So let the enemy know we come. Let their fears defeat them as everything falls dark.
As the world’s sun sets… As the city is wreathed in its final night… Let ten thousand howls promise ten thousand claws.
The Night Lords are coming.
And no soul that stands against us shall see another dawn."
- Malcharion of 10th company, The Tenebrous Path
in short "stealth is too easy"
"no skillz git gud"
tired umbra
NL still use stealth. They just use it to fuck with people.
storm jungle
Also Night Lords can almost never win in a fair fight, and always need to pick on weaker opponents half the time.
The moment they face a solid military force like in the Thramas Crusade they usually get bodied.
tired umbra
Yada yada "You know we are coming. But not from where."
errant pike
yea but not to the raven guard's extent
they use it to hide but they let the enemy know they are there
the enemy knows they are near them but not where
so they can taste fear edgy stuff etc.
tired umbra
If Batman was a psycho
fierce pendant
Isn't there like the fact that batman could just use money of his company to improve safety and lives of people in gotham with ease
But he prefers just going around at night beating up people
errant pike
yea
tired umbra
No
fierce pendant
errant pike
they need to milk it
storm jungle
it depends on the comic
but this is usually what he does
fuck you homeless people
fierce pendant
Like he is what multi billionare, spending money on fancy gadgets to beat up mutants and villains
rather than
uh
invest
tired umbra
Like 90% of comics point out that yeah. Batman spends a SHITLOAD of money trying to improve Gotham. But Gotham happens to be LITERALLY CURSED so it doesn't achieve anything permanent.
fierce pendant
tired umbra
It's legit canonically cursed.
tired umbra
Yeah. But Batman does a lot more than just beat up bad guys.
fierce pendant
but "i must keep fighting"
muh "we do not kill rule"
errant pike
he beats up poor people trying to to scrap a living
storm jungle
to quote Damian
"So you don't wanna kill people but you are fine with traumatic brain injuries?"
storm jungle
NOOO
tired umbra
he beats up poor people trying to to scrap a living
He beats up mass murderers and maniacs.
tired umbra
Most of them? A lot of bad stuff.
fierce pendant
They put on clown make up
storm jungle
they just want to earn some dollars damn it
tired umbra
By helping Joker
errant pike
he gives the bad guys brain injury so they spend all their money for hospital bills and are forced to steal food to get by
the cycle never stops
fierce pendant
batman seeing people dressed in black and white thinking they're two face's goons be like
errant pike
machiavellian levels of thought
storm jungle
anyway the point is
clearly killing people and hanging their peeled skin from telephone poles is better
cunning wigeon
RG love stealth, NL like stealth as a way to fuck with people, am I getting that right?
storm jungle
Yep
tired umbra
ye
errant pike
no
storm jungle
RG are a lot more pristine about the way they do things
they wont go out of their way to attack stuff unless it helps them with their operation
its a lot like imagining someone playing Metal Gear
atomic pelican
I would say NL are stealthy but more terror tactics, and raven guard are just pure stealth
errant pike
no ur right i said no just because
errant pike
mWahahaha
tired umbra
The point is. The only truly worthwhile stealth faction in 40k is Butcherhorde
cunning wigeon
Damn taking the fucking with people bit seriously
errant pike
i mean if you insist
alpine ingot
I don't know why it didn't register with me earlier, but I see that you stopped being one of the cog boys pretty quickly dilara
errant pike
alpine ingot
I guess we're going to ignore the Raptors huh?
tired umbra
Dinosaurs are for nerds
cunning wigeon
Aren't they the uh raven guard successor that are actually rational
errant pike
oh i thought you meant chaos raptors
alpine ingot
yes, they use camo and will work with and train imperial guard forces to fight whatever threat they were sent to fight
cunning wigeon
And I believe they hate getting into melee as it's more dangerous so are exceptionally good marksman
And use camo and shit, rather than wearing bright yellow
@storm jungle , you're from Turkey right? I've got a holiday to the west coast booked for the end of July, as a pasty white Brit what are the chance I leave without looking like a melta victim
storm jungle
Lmfao
just get lots of suncream
otherwise you are goofed
the sun is really hot here atm
cunning wigeon
Gotcha, bathe in suncream
errant pike
dilara lore
cunning wigeon
I'll be by the beach so hopefully cooler
cunning wigeon
Staying in Gran Canaria at the moment and the sun is harsh but man the island is windy so there is always a cool breeze
barren tapir
I'll be by the beach so hopefully cooler
You fool, if you think that a beach is gonna be cooler you are gonna be disappointed... Maybe it is cooler as temp, but the sun hit harder on the beach than in a city
cunning wigeon
Ah true, but the sea breeze should be an ally
Been to this place before as a child, but way earlier in the year and that was years ago, was surprised it looked the same online tbh
barren tapir
I mean, if your problem is with temps then yes, if it is not being burned by the sun, then not really
cunning wigeon
True, time for my raisin arc
Still, last time I went the food was great and the ocean life was beautiful, I hope it's much the same as it's the first holiday I'm in charge of and the first one with my partner
barren tapir
Ocean life?
barren tapir
Ocean?!?!?
tired umbra
cea
barren tapir
All fine, was the first time i saw the mediterrean being called an ocean lol
fierce pendant
All fine, was the first time i saw the mediterrean being called an ocean lol
wdym so its not a big lake?
barren tapir
wdym so its not a big lake?
A big puddle!! Learn the right things!
fierce pendant
A big puddle!! Learn the right things!
twin shoal
Question if I tied several chainswords to a hoolahoop would that be considered heretech or rad as fuck?
Also how do chain weapons work?
alpine ingot
take a chain saw, and make it into a sword, an axe, or a spear.
vast frigate
''Because angry cancer patients and conservative hoppity bois got into a discussion about healthcare''
plush mason
take a chain saw, and make it into a sword, an axe, or a spear.
dont forget the diamond hard monomolecular steel teeth
btw is it ever explained what fuels the chain weapons and how said fuel is replaced?
alpine ingot
power cell
Cain mentions how he's replaced the power cell of his chain sword during combat several times and it has saved his life
Also it is mentioned in Necropolis that Gaunt uses his damaged chain sword to damage a beast by having it's power cell overload and explode
plush mason
so they are electric?
errant pike
omg they are so understanding to the galaxy 🙏
plush mason
lol
cunning wigeon
Okay so obviously the thousand Sons have done evil shit because of chaos but is their main goal not just to collect as much knowledge as possible?
final spruce
Well keep in mind the TS themselves aren't as united, some even joined Abby on his crusades
barren tapir
Eh, less about general knowledge and more about sorcery and warp knowledge
TS want to know everything about warp and how to use it, they are less about technological knowledge
cunning wigeon
Ah okay, so I guess they do lots of shitty experiments and rituals to get more knowledge then right?
Don't know what is about them but they always just seemed the least evil of the chaos affiliated marines to me. Probably because Magnus never felt like an evil character from what I understand of him
vast frigate
btw is it ever explained what fuels the chain weapons and how said fuel is repla...
electric or fuel cartridges
some of them have exhaust vents
since Promethium is a catch all term for fuel in the imperium, it could be anything
alpine ingot
each major player in the TS has a different goal, Ahriman wanted to recast the rubric and save his brothers, Amon wanted to cast the rubric again to destroy the rubric marines, and the list goes on
all are dancing on Tzeench's palms
cunning wigeon
What does Magnus want? Other than some petty revenge on the space wolves lol
alpine ingot
he wants to make a second Prospero, to "enlighten" the Imperium
cunning wigeon
Ah okay
And about the whole rubric thing, they are pretty much just servants to sorcerers now right?
What is actually left of them personality wise?
alpine ingot
you know how if a bomb goes off it can leave the shadow of a person on the walls?
cunning wigeon
Ah okay
So I presume even as husks they will do stuff they used to but there isn't actually any personality behind it anymore, just habit
alpine ingot
something similar happens with the TS soul and their armor, however Ahriman believes and has been shown to be partially correct that there is something there that can be used to bring the dead back.
cunning wigeon
Gotcha, thanks for the clear explanation
alpine ingot
they do not act without commands, but if the sorcerer is not careful the memories of the dead can begin to overwhelm them
to the rubric marines it is like they are surrounded by a black void and are perpetually falling
the only "light" they every get to see is their brothers calling their names and calling them to act.
cunning wigeon
Oh jeez that sounds horrifying
half barn
Never heard of this before
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mother_Gullet
lunar notch
Unsurprising, the only mentions of it are extremely obscure. Hell, I only bought that 3rd ed codex because I liked the cover.
unique berry
Rip to all TS without psychic powers
bright anvil
Does the emperor actually protect the souls of humans or does death mean annihilation in the warp
final spruce
Depends of the book or what the author wants you to think, sometimes, psykers being soulbound to the Emepror means their souls are protected by him, up to a emasure against Chaos, sometimes praying Big E is sueless and your soul is devoured by daemons once you die, sometimes it goes to the Emperor and his realm in the warp
viral haven
Never heard of this before
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mother_Gullet
Ah yes, the vore story
storm jungle
Does the emperor actually protect the souls of humans or does death mean annihil...
The Emperor usually handpicks the souls he protects like Celestine and other Saints but if your are just a random schmuck like the 99% of the Imperium your soul is pretty much up for grabs in the Warp
You’ll either get torn apart by demons or dissolve peacefully into nothing but that’s a big if. Otherwise Big E doesn’t really care
bright anvil
I c I c
atomic pelican
Iirc most humans souls dont have the 'power' to even stay coherent in the warp
They just scatter like sand, unless a daemon specifically wants you
bright anvil
and then it’s torture for eternity right
atomic pelican
Yep
But 99% of the time ur probably just gonna scatter to the warp, with no real 'person' left
Really having a more powerful soul is just a curse LMAO
The tau have it good, they just die die
Guaranteed p much
The more powerful your soul the worse ur afterlife tends to get, see the Eldar(unprotected)
tawdry escarp
Were all of the other Primarchs so jealous of Sanguinius' wings that they made it part of the deal when they became Daemon Princes to get wings?
tawdry escarp
Sanguinius should have filed a patent with the Imperial Patents Office then
Also, is it just me or does Fulgrim's snekedness have bosoms?
storm jungle
Where
tawdry escarp
Saw a post where someone put up pictures of Angron, Mortarion, Magnus, and Fulgrim Deamon Prince models
shadow plover
:^D
crisp heath
shadow plover
last one is an AoS model
tawdry escarp
Ah
tawdry escarp
I see
storm jungle
though funnily enough
tawdry escarp
This tweet lied to me then
shadow plover
if you don't count the ancient Epic model
storm jungle
He means business
tawdry escarp
How is one of the swords he has not the one that corrupted him?
shadow plover
this model predates that lore
shadow plover
eh, slaanesh is not only about sexiness
tawdry escarp
Excess I know
storm jungle
Snakes are a symbol of sin
for like
well ever since religion existed
and the slitheryness just adds to it
also it just looks cool
tawdry escarp
I like snakes
storm jungle
Snakes are good
tawdry escarp
I forgot Monster Musume existed for a second, of course people think snakes are sexy
tawdry escarp
Though tdf Miia is adorable
tawdry escarp
Aggressive hugs
storm jungle
alas, not the worst way to go
alpine ingot
How is one of the swords he has not the one that corrupted him?
Fulgrim gave the Laer blade to Lucius so there is that to consider.
void verge
is darktide a new story or based on a lore i can watch?
plush mason
new
alpine ingot
New lore
void verge
oh gotcha
alpine ingot
Leutin09 does have a video that you can watch that serves as a good build up to how Atoma Prime (the planet we are fighting on) got to this point.
void verge
i saw that ngl got a little lost ill have to rewatch it it was a long video
final spruce
is darktide a new story or based on a lore i can watch?
If you wanna read the darktide lore, there is a devblog about the main antagonists
weary crown
I was thinking about this and I know it sounds crazy but what if in the game we have to fight like one death guard marine as like some kind of crazy final boss fight
storm jungle
Nah its not crazy
we've been theorizing that since the first trailer
it wouldnt be that out of the possibility but still
rose thorn
Okay so let’s say the impossible happens and a new like regular unit dameon releases, lore wise how did these new daemons come into existences?
Like did the god imagine a new type of guy
Or did some freaky shit happens and now it’s like ‘hey not bad’ and they make more of them
icy pagoda
Mutation is a pretty common thing among chaos demons and their worshippers, so probably something along the lines of "the warp messed them up in new fun ways"
cunning wigeon
Plus the chaos gods could just decide they need a new type of cannon fodder
rose thorn
Okay so like both
I sure do hope they come up with a new type of cannon fodder pretty please, a literally anything would be great
cunning wigeon
Tbf depending on how important they deem its purpose they could make some mid tier daemons, something between lesser and greater
I could see there being a gap in the chaos gods market for that
rose thorn
I’d pray for that
Khrone definitely would do well with more buff dudes
Who can actually take a shot
And some flying infantry besides screechers
For maybe Slaanesh or something
Nurgle I think is pretty fine on daemons
Tzeentch I think needs an alternate choice to Horror hell
vapid tiger
horror hell is funny tho
rose thorn
Slaanesh also needs a unit that doenst instantly fucking eat shit upon any ranged attack
rose thorn
horror hell is funny tho
It’s fun until you spend 90 dollars for 1 unit
vapid tiger
Also bloodletters are supposed to be able to eat bullets
But for some reason they're T3 horde infantry on tabletop
rose thorn
And that’s why the only use for blood letters is bloodletter bombs
I think some beefy mofo khorne daemons would be pretty cool
Maybe they heal themselves on kill
Oh yeah also support dameons would be useful
lunar notch
I'd be surprised if we saw more than Nurgle daemons and daemon engines in the initial story. As they create expansions and new stories then I'd believe them adding in new daemons from different gods would be perfectly in line. But, modern GW tends to be a bit different from old GW concerning the presence of daemons. I don't know if it is internal doctrine now, or just a weird coincidence but usually we are only treated to the daemons of one god as the mainstay of a story. It's almost like how when they sell a new Campaign book the rules and additions in the setting are almost always just focused on two armies.
rose thorn
Tbh the reason new daemons don’t release is because 8/10 times they have to be balanced and made for both AOS and 40K
So they usually don’t bother
fierce pendant
Take into consideration that the last time Fatshark added a new faction, Beastmen it was a complete shit show, with how unbalanced and unfun they were, if they have plans to introduce new Xenos or daemons/cults, into the story it's to be expected that they'll take some time designing them to make them fun to fight.
cunning wigeon
So did the space wolves burn Prospero just because they were told to?
barren tapir
Yes
Although to be honest initially they had to arrest magnus
Then things spiralled in a bad way
void verge
just out of curiosity how do ogryn reproduce?
rose thorn
Take into consideration that the last time Fatshark added a new faction, Beastme...
They would probably end up either adding new chaos factions or GSCs if I had to guess. Like khrone cults, tzeentch cults, Slaanesh cults, the works
But I don’t think they will be planning on it
rose thorn
just out of curiosity how do ogryn reproduce?
Sex or vats
void verge
oh i thought ogryn were all dudes thats why in the game u can only play as a male ogryn
fierce pendant
They would probably end up either adding new chaos factions or GSCs if I had to ...
I'd say they probably will add em, but I assume it'll take a bit.
They don't want second WoM
tawdry escarp
oh i thought ogryn were all dudes thats why in the game u can only play as a mal...
Lorewise, there hasn't been any significant mention of female Ogryn beyond that they exist on their home planet. There aren't any minis, so GW didn't want them in a game. From what others have said, most of the Ogryn seen in the Imperial Guard are vat grown
There was a named female Ogryn mentioned in a book, I think
I haven't read it. All I know is what others have shared on here
final spruce
Lorewise, there hasn't been any significant mention of female Ogryn beyond that ...
Armageddon has one, she is a psyker ogryn aswell
As in a main character woman ogryn
upbeat saddle
oh i thought ogryn were all dudes thats why in the game u can only play as a mal...
it's the same reason there's no female ogres in warhammer fantasy; it's goofy asf and would be memed to hell
final spruce
There is models actually
But its so bad and the blacklash they got from it colled them down
void verge
sorry im a little new to warhammer 40k are vats like cloning vats or are they completely new different people?
final spruce
From what I understand, cloning is frown upon because of soul shenanigans, but vats are used very regularly by the Imperium when it comes to mass producing troups like Ogryns, Skitarii Servitors for example
lyric ember
sorry im a little new to warhammer 40k are vats like cloning vats or are they co...
vats is Vault-tech Assisted Targeting System
oh wait
upbeat saddle
https://warofsigmarus.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/blogging/picture2/4322/b52805ea__...
that is the worst ahahahaha
lyric ember
nevermind
upbeat saddle
who came up with that
final spruce
Games Workshop
upbeat saddle
society
lyric ember
the one on the right looks like a sea of thieves character
final spruce
It does yeah
storm jungle
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Wait people hated these?
they look great
what did they expect ogre women to look like 
lyric ember
i just realized the dude has a leg
guess it's halfway to paying for a medical checkup in the U.S
rose thorn
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PFFF AGAHAGAGAG
final spruce
Wait people hated these?
I've heard more than a few call'em a bit too much, even for Bloodbowl
fierce pendant
what did they expect ogre women to look like <:KEK:646309782579445770>
futurama snu snu looking ass
storm jungle
Thats really strange
storm jungle
Anyone who plays bloodbowl
lyric ember
i think the one on the left doesnt look the best but i like the other two a lot
upbeat saddle
Lmao
final spruce
But then again, they do seem to fit the bloodbowl asthetics
fierce pendant
Yee ^
grand minnow
Someone would be into it
storm jungle
fat kink moment
lyric ember
define "into it"
upbeat saddle
Ogre females always gonna be memed into oblivion
grand minnow
Honestly they dont look too bad imo
lyric ember
no stylish moustache, 0/10
upbeat saddle
For lack of a better word the one on the right rockin that chav hairstyle
grand minnow
Like yeah, they are goofy looking, but so are ogers in general
modest knot
I have so much messed up shit I could say about those models but I will refrain lol
upbeat saddle
Like yeah, they are goofy looking, but so are ogers in general
You just insulted half of the British population
grand minnow
could be worse, remember ork chearleaders?
lyric ember
please do refrain
lyric ember
*could be worse, remember ork chearleaders?*
excuse me?
upbeat saddle
Nah they’re based
lyric ember
i would like to see said cheerleaders
grand minnow
I aint posting that here look it up
lyric ember
the ones with their tits out?
upbeat saddle
Ork cheerleaders are so strange yeah hhaha
lyric ember
thats an official model?
upbeat saddle
Bloodbowl mf’s a different breed
upbeat saddle
Why yes I will paint a naked ork cheerleader; how cool
storm jungle
Bloodbowl is the superior setting
grand minnow
Ork cheerleaders are just warp tainted orks
lyric ember
can orks even be warp tainted?
grand minnow
Bloodbowl is fun though, been getting into bloodbowl 2
lyric ember
same thing as the genestealer ones huh?
storm jungle
Yep
they last for a bit if they are isolated but if its in a crowded ork group they wont last long
Imposters get the krump
grand minnow
Im surprised khorne doesnt have an ork follower, not counting tuska
lyric ember
i doubt tuska is even aware of khornes existence
storm jungle
A khorne demon in the Brutal Kunnin book says that orks arent good to corrupt, they already got their own war gods with Gork and Mork
lyric ember
wait they can speak?
storm jungle
Who?
lyric ember
or is this like higher up demon