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smart
I think they would play similarly to the Guardsman in terms of being incredibly numerous but expandable with low morale
I mean kind of. Guardsman still have human morals
skaven dont give a shit about anything
Only they have Ratling Gunners and Jezzails
also half your mechanized units would explode with the wrong dice roll
pfff. morals are just a weakness to exploit
Chaos Guardsman Moment
Well yeah they gotta compensate for OP weapons
its still true tho. never fight fair. the only rule of war is to win
yeah but at the end of the day you fire on your own men the moment they come back from the fight they will kill you
why do you think actual medieval wars didnt have commanders firing on their units to kill enemies as well with arrow barrages

you mean like the inquisition does to very guard unit that fights demons?
Not the example im giving
this is the same reason why commissars get regularly fragged
I assume they are not supposed to know Demons are a thing
its that whole "ignorance is the best shield" crap
the knowledge of chaos is supposedly dangerous yet you got some guard regiments that fight them on a weekly to monthly basis
^
it sometimes makes sense sometimes doesnt
especially since planets fall to chaos really regularly
so its a bit 
"Abandon reason ! Know only war !"
its literally something from the real world inquisitions lol
you wont say this when your entire regiment is sent to die in a labour camp

but yeah its dumb
not as dumb as the grey knights lore
also the enemy they kill actively respawn
gonna kill you on both account
isnt there some lore that says the demons lose a lot of their memories when they respawn in the warp or something?
Nah. Their respawn timer just gets extended.
Seen a bit of lore from the Space Marines and the two that stands out the most for me are the Salamanders and Malevolent
grey knights to me are an indemnification of the worst traits of regular marines
at least custodes are locked in the palace most the time
LOL
yeah grey knights are mary sue as hell
"OUR GENE-SEED COMES STRAIGHT FROM THE EMPEROR"
"How"
"I dunno"
which is sad as they where started by the only sane human to ever live in 40k. malcador
Arent all Space Marines like that ? Anime Protagonist levels of Plot Armor ?
Not really
Old lore for grey knights was better
Grey Knights are like diet-custodes
if I told you half of their lore it would sound like bad homebrew
"THEIR CHAPTER NUMBER IS 666."
"THEIR RECRUITS HAVE TO GO THROUGH 666 TRIALS."
||Actual lore||
one of them is to become a demonhost and fight the demon out of them lol
YEET
Okay even i find it like it was written by a 10 year old
Wow this makes me love the grey knights
sarcasm right?
same but the grey knights are just over the top stupid
And how you are thankful for the life you got, knowing life in this universe is the absolute worse
i vote we exterminatus titan

Dude that honestly makes the setting god tier
That’s why I kinda stopped liking Star Wars because they literally can’t have anything bad happen in their universe
timeline without grey knights
You clearly dont know star wars lore

Order 66 is baby tier shit
@storm jungle so if the new demongate game is correct not even most inquisitors of ordo maliffecens or whatever know the grey knights exist lol
Sith empire isn’t even that cool

Also yeah the GK are the Chamber Militant of Malleus
aka their main fighting force
they do a little bit of trolling

Grey Knights and their baby carriers
I can't even remember their actual names
yes i know so the idea that most of the ordo doesnt even know their chamber militant exists is beyond funny to me
Ouch, the edge
HERE IT COMES
40K has gender equality due to the Battle Sisters
All Inquisitors are allowed to know about the Grey Knights. There might be Inquisitors that don't know about the Grey Knights because knowledge about them has nothing to do with their job and nobody ever bothered to tell them about the Grey Knights, but since Inquisitors have clearance on top secret information in the Imperium all they would have to do to get information on the Grey Knights is request it and it'll be handed to them at a moment's notice.
Who are flamethrower wielding Karens
i see
Don't shit on my gals
That's a plus
Hence why i am not too much into them
Or even the Eldar or Tau women tbh
wat
Necron women 
and brainwashed subserviants to the patriarchy lol
Im glad IRL religion isnt like that
Who are probably like sleeping beauty
i literally had some idiot in another discord try to tell me the SOB where a form of female empowerment lol. i could feel the brain rot setting in as the convo progressed
They're plastic toy soldiers
Lol
yes
Armored battle nuns
as i said. brain rot
It is instead gender equality
Hit them with reality
To be fair
SoB gave us this though
they are
no they arent
the entire reason they exist is to appeal more to the female demographic

its all about that cash
so yeah they are
I just like them for what they are
yeah otherwise twitter feminists would bash on 40K if they have not done so already
the what now
thats not empowerment thats just capitalism lol
I mean I think they are cool but I wouldn’t collect them
Can we fucking not
No
I collected them

Funny church launcher go brrrt
we do a little bit of organ-missiling
organ missles though
I've had enough internet nonsense for a lifetime in the span of 2 weeks
That's the one I am referring to. It's amazing
the organ launcher is perfect design ethos
I mean i just dont go on twitter or reddit at all
Yea that’s a cool design
True
I also like Arco flaggelants, and the Seraphim's
They turn babies into drones
Even if actually using them on the tabletop was a bit shit thanks to the bases and those flight sticks
Vat baby
Baby Vat
Can they talk
Yes
but they are basically brainless and can only do simple stuff
they are literally pigeons mindset wise
I still remember using my living Saint as a stand in for an commander. And because she is held up by a few bits of plastic, she would constantly wobble around and almost break off
Lol was your opponent shaking the table
I would play tabletop but i have no one to do it with
lords do not get me started on that
Same 
And i pretty much accepted that this wont really change
There is a gaming store near me but all they play is card games
Tabletop attracts the worst kind of 40k fans. At least that's what's in my case
I mean
Wish we get some sort of Dawn of War game that brings back base building/tech and the ability to make custom sub-factions where you can customize their bonuses and commander
Yes 
You just described me, except i avoid socializing like the plague
"ITS JUST A PAINTJOB MAN."
Dude thinks he is playing bolt action
Well, I had racists, wehraboos and the like, so if only socially awkward was the only thing
Almost had that with one of the guys
im sorry but is "wehraboo" something to do with the wehrmarch?
yea flames of war and bolt action were almost not even as bad as 40k in that regard
even if 3/4 of the locals were playing german armies
The tanks are nifty
the real one or the SS cravens?
Same guy who went (as we were all German in the group) "Oh yeah, allies had to use 4 soldiers to kill a single German one. We only lost because they had the numbers advantage"
Both in some cases
So yeah, that's why I stopped playing tabletop
Besides the fact that he stole some of my models
bruh
Rip contemtor dreadnought, rip terminators, rip creature caster model for over 100 bucks
if the official paintjob of the Armageddon steel legion was grey instead of tan the wehraboos wouldve latched onto that first instead of krieg
what happened to the terminators?
Ill die on that hill
OOF
the best part is Steel Legion started out as german too
They too got stolen
before being slowly americanized
by?
Same person as this
I thought that was the whole point of krieg is to be a WW1 style army why do people keep associating it with WW2
yeah but a lot of their officers are still prussian as hell afaik lol. so it just makes them look stupid now
because wehraboos
They literally have a mix of all the WW1 armies uniforms
All Wehraboos should perish
cause you show most people a stalhelm and they think of ww2
Yes a stalhelm with a British gas mask and a French great coat
Most people don't know history that well, sadly
theres also people who ironically style their krieg after SS soldiers as well 
Krieg fans are basically the equivalent of space marine fans but for the guard
Yeah...
british? the only british part of it is the tube lol. its a mix of the german mask and the british pos thing they had before they copied the german mask lol
have you seen your average marine fanboy
Have you seen your average anything nerdy fanboy?
no cause they almost never come out from their mom's basement lol
Yes?
Hence our point
the marine players are the dominant faction
theres a reason everyone memes on them
lol
We literally had one marine fanboy who called us subhuman for wanting to play guardsman
and another who compared tau to rhodesia

so yeah
GW needs to grow a pair and give us back the old mentally unstable marines
the ones that made the real army grown when ever they showed up lol
God I loved that stuff
and the fact that they were all made from criminals pumped with drugs and given mass-murder weaponry
This is why I hate space marines
How dare they
same it sounds a hell of a lot better than the shit we have now
They are literally mutants
He was using it in an IRL way lmao
oof 💀
hey dont insult mutants like that
Just kidding but yea I would rather be a regular human than a dude with a power fantasy
Sorry I love Ogryns
same
Ogryns are better than space marines
10x better than SM in every way
100x more loveable than a SM too
wtf are those guns they have?
yeah that was back when SMs had good lore and writing lol
uhm, hello everyone! I'm looking for someone with thorough knowledge of Warhammer lore (specifically Great Crusade and Horus Heresy) for a modding project. Anybody interested, just drop me a PM.
Lasguns
Marines in rt had a chance of taking lasguns or autoguns instead of bolters
Squad generation was done via random tables, it was weird
Likewise eldar had a chance of taking bolters instead of shuriken catapults
Though bolters were characterized in rt as simply "guns that fire big bullets that either explode or have armor piercing capabilities"
this doesn't look like the start to a good time
Ngl a bit too far fetched for me lmao
I can tell you that she'll think its bullshit
Yep
it sounds more like alpha legion copium than anything else
I wouldnt mind it as much if the Alpha Legion ever helped the Imperium but they never have so its a bit hard to really buy
understandable

If GW does decide to do something like this, then they'll definitely retconn some Alpha Legion Ops where they help the Imperium
You know they will
They'll 'suddenly come to light' as the Alpha Legion explains it's Master Plan
And honestly, if AL did help an Imperial world, do you think that world is gonna say shit? That's an easy way to get labeled a Traitor World
Hell, GW could probably use all of the AL fanboys who run that legion and do 'good' things out of the belief that AL is actually deep cover to justify that
Alpha legion are just pure chaos who are totally disorganized post-heresy
i mean look at them in dow
They're just fans of subterfuge
That fan theory up there is just emperor circlejerking spittle
Of course it is
GW likes everything where it is now
Anything clever or unexpected would be bad for sales
"Emperor planned everything" does not equal "clever"
Truly clever and unexpected shit would be stuff like having the exodites and hrud be more relevant
Aren't they bringing back the Exodites?
yeee
yeah and it's a shame
Eldar riding lizardmen dinos with lasers? Sign me up
They had a video on WH+ named Exodite with the promise that more was coming soon
Soontm
PFT that was a fan animation from Lost Legion Studios that they adopted to put on WH+ instead of Youtube
With the promise that more episodes will eventually release
and what happened was uh
through 5 weeks
they just released 3 episodes
it had no exodites
But yeah I'd love if corsairs were made an army again and expanded alongside the exodites being made an army
Also have hrud be an army and have them be a mix of space skaven and the garbage trashmen with time-warping effects
Combine both old and modern hrud into one faction and say both are canon
MOAR XENOS
That single exodite ranger styled on those tau
My man had no CHILL
Lords of change b like
I need to do a little reading up on my gents in red, but I figured I'd ask here for some of the basics on the AdMech first
Outside of the obvious
i loved that movie
What do you need my son
The basic stuff like organization heads and basic military units
I'm not too privy on the actual ranking system within the admech
Summarizations are also accepted, no need to copy paste the whole wh40k wiki
Okay so the problem is the admech is one THE most complex factions hierarchy wise
Oh right since they've got what the tech priests, fabricator generals, etc
Basic idea is tech support cult that sees innovation as heretical
Skitarii, hyspasists
Yeah this is the most accurate fan hierarchy you're gonna get
JEEZUMS
YEP
pro tip, just read the lexicanum
it does a great summary of what they are and what they do
after that if you are into books go read Forges of Mars
its one of the best admech novels
I know the obvious, just wanted to look at their organizational structure
Jiminy Hellmas man that's a very involved structuring system
Yeah that thing I threw in is the best you're ognna get
its fanmade but lore-accurate to the max
GW doesnt bother with hierarchy boards
Handy, cheers
No worries
its a lot but just ignore the tiny ranks and read the text boxes on the sides
it gives a good picture of the admech castes and their jobs etc
i love toaster
🥺
as complicated as this is. its actually a good command structure due to no major overlap/conflicts of authority
Yup like i said its fanmade but incredibly accurate and useful
I got one for all Imperium adeptas
like as broken and corrupt as the imperium is. its over all command structure and system is actually really really good
Yeah its more the people in charge abusing their power within and outside their organisation
tag urself im a datasmith
I'm the Mech-Deacon
I'd probably be an acuitor-silica
Low rank in the cybernetica
my ass would just be a servitor
admech ina nutshell
I'll be honest, if that's how they responded, I'd totally respect them for it
same
absolute chad move too
I HAVE BOUGHR BELAKOR IM SO HYPE
Where this from
Hello again, if anybody likes stellaris and has extensive knowledge of the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy eras specifically, please do PM me.
It's from the intro to the mechanics video from mandalore on yt
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- CSMs experience mutations that reflect their nature, like a marine that's obsessed with death having their head and helmet fuse into the shape of an armored skull.
- Regarding that age-old debate about whether the Imperium is causing its own problems: Because the Imperium is so restrictive and oppressive, there is a festering sentiment of rebellion on just about every civilized world in the Imperium, and this is a breeding ground for Chaos and heresy. The persecution of mutants in particular often drives them to Chaos.
- Due to the Black Legion's diverse and flexible forces, their wide range of skills and experience can help them win campaigns that would take other legions and warbands twice the numbers to complete.
- The Alpha Legion is the one traitor legion known to make the most use of cultists as infiltrators and instigators in the Imperium, and they're very well trained. On a planet called Huranos in Imperium Nihilus, dozens of lone cultist agents with subdermal electoos conducted a highly successful campaign of commando raids against imperial facilities using surprisingly impressive tactical skill.
Some pretty nifty stuff
Its sad how GW literally has to write down the second part
The first point is funny, i prefer my own made right now headcanon (eh) where they are just invidious of the skull helmet of loyalist chaplains and wanted one
The second point is plain in front of everyone, and it is indeed, as Zher said, a shame that have to be written down for people to get it
Alpha legion stuff is also extremely interesting, it kinda point more the the theories of alpha legion not being chaos corrupted and more an independent variable that is simply following its plans instead of being affiliate with chaos
Cohesive and non debateable lore
by gw?
Gods above the world really is changing
They are starting to believe
Damn, GW finally fixing their lore ?
Well well well... Nihilus seems to have become free real estate
so its true. the world really is ending
So I was looking at warhammer books at my bookstore and I saw that there was a crimson fist book, and it was fucking huge. How much lore could the crimsons fists even have???
Aren’t they just ‘daddy dorn is dead, we want to murder orks.’
AhhHhhhhHhhhhhhh okay
arent those the ones that look a shit ton like ultramarines? and have aggressively spanish names?
yeah should be happy GW didnt make them sombrero helmets lol
i still dont get why they look so much like ultramarines tho
They were one of the first space marines created
Chapters
They are on a ton of really old art
On the cover of a codex I think
Might have been made at similar times
tbh they are cooler then other chapters design wise at least
Before they needed to be more distinct
i really like the deep red with the desaturated blue
yeah i agree. its just they look so much like ultramarines that i thought they where a successor of them at first lol
If you looked at how they were treated at the start, you would think they would be a founding chapter
i had only discovered them recently so i dont much about their lore in general
They’re p cool
tbh im glad they dont look more like the imperial fists. i cant stand their muscle car paint job lol
The red fists look real cool with the contrast
excuse me
Legion of the Damned are right there
yes
yeah but they aint canary yellow and cherry red lol
awful
thats not a muscle car. its also a shit ton better paint job onto itself
terrible
every car is the same thing

LOL no. a muscle car has a giant gas sink for an engine
anyway. canary yellow is just not a good color. on anything let alone a superhuman warrior
eh with proper volume to the colour fists look real nice
still canary yellow
WHYYY DID HTEY GET RID OF THE LOTD
WHyyYy
it's still somewhat active in the lore innit?
Yeah they are active
THEY WERE SO DUMB AND EDGY IT WAS AMAZING
they are just a footnote chapter
model range is just lacking support
^
some yellow is yes. not canary its a sin on the color yellow and a crime on everything it touches 😠
yeah but, i remember they got like a box set and everything when the codex dropped for 8ed
is the old Yamaha yellow canary yellow? If it is, I will fight you
at least pay the people who have a full army of LOTD some respect
now their chapter is a codex behind, aka useless
think they've still got the legends index
though it is from 8th ed but I'm sure people would let you play with them
yeah but
legends tho
well it's better than nothing 😄
true
isnt the whole lore of the LOTD that they just randomly spawn in the ninth hour of a doomed imperial battle. kill everything that is pushing the imperial force's shit in. and leave?
also rip everyone's WH fantasy's now Legends army
and to a lesser extent 40k
i know there are people with whole armies of chaos dwarves
i imagine they may be more of those once TWWH3 adds them to the mix
answer me @plush mason
do I have to end you
nah. if you like canary yellow thats fine. i never will tho
Just jesting ofc, but is the yamaha yellow canary yellow?
yeah most people do
if i where to paint them tho i would use what every citadel's version of buttercup is
I think they got refounded?
thats possible?
implying that those old Flathead V8s weren't also giant gas sinks.
Nah, Muscle Cars have V8s a lot more advanced than the flathead V8s typically found in Hotrods.
The Ford flathead V8 (often called simply the Ford flathead, flathead Ford, or flatty when the context is implicit, such as in hot-rodding) is a V8 engine with a flat cylinder head designed by the Ford Motor Company and built by Ford and various licensees. During the engine's first decade of production, when overhead-valve engines were used by o...
still not sure what the difference is between a muscle car and a hotrod. afaik both are just classic american cars will big heavy power engines
Its a hobbyist distinction
so no actual difference got it
Eh, a Muscle Car is typically a factory option. While a Hotrod is always some sort of modification.
Also, Hotrods are typically made using cars from the 30s while Muscle Cars are cars from the 60s.
This is like distinguishing deciduous trees to a layperson
You aren't entirely wrong.
So based on equipment and clothing who were the zealots before they became prisoners? Were they part of the eclesiarchy?
Hard to say since you choose your background
You choose your own background separate from crime
Veteran is the only one where past is more specific
But even then, they could be personal guard of someone
So I could pick any background and still be a zealot?
What distinguishes them as a zealot then? Is their an actual table top equivalent?
Sedition/crisis of faith arent exclusive yea
Their armor/weaponry
So you could be a seditious zealot
Its a CYOA kinda dealio
But they were, all of them, deceived, for another engine was made. In the land of Germany, in the fires of Cologne, the Dark Lord Saab forged in secret a Ford V4, which I think is actually a really interesting little engine.
It's in their Saab 96's, and their Sonetts (specifically their type 3), and also the 99
It's a castiron block, with legendary sturdiness and customization
I've seen one with a turbo for each cylinder
I've got a Saab 96 I'm trying to put back together, and I just found another site with the right parts
bro
they sell the entire inletmanifold
that's insane
It's almost 2K euros
but holy shit
Man, the more I read into HH.. the more I admire guilliman
That’s a first for me to hear
I try not to apply the popular hate for smurfs into the lore
guilliman is awesome tbh
besides that time emps possessed him
that was dumb
really cool
but dumb
I'm reading the unremembered empire
Lion arrives at macragge
The dialogue they have in the table. Man
Really upped my respect for guilliman
''Everything gone to shit''
''Jupp''
''This is not what my father wanted''
''Juuuuup.''
''F**...''
Lion slides Guilliman a whiskey
''Its ok man.''
As a chaos enjoyer✨ I must hate every primarch that takes the imperium seriously
Which, is actually only 6 of them I think
Guil, dorn, uh… lion kinda,
Anyway that’s why Corvus Shoukd be the next loyalest primarch to return
It's gonna be Vulkan. Gotta get in the token black Primarch 
In 40K, how are dogs like
Still a thing
I know the No wolves on where ever the fuck meme
But like, these are pure breed normal ass modern day dogs
I’d expect what ever maniacs they would call dog breeders have min maxed dogs to look more like fucking hell hounds then anything
It's just as likely the Administratum keeps track of such strains of mutants, or at least the ones that they deem to be useful to the Imperium. Or local sector Administratum offices have notaries on such. Also conceivable that specific strains may be kept the way they are for whatever suited environment they're on for a particular region.
There are likely untracked mutant strains of dog out there, but that wouldn't have stopped people from keeping the more regular forms of dogs.
yes, with the emergance of the primaris a few chapters that were destroyed were refounded
they basically gabe the primaris the 'coat of arms' of the destroyed chapter so they could carry on the legacy (or rewrite it)
yeah same happened with the Star Scorpions
although not with primaris exclusively
I've been planning to reading/listening the newest Soul Drinkers book, is it any good?
Theres still a lot of weird breeds on other human worlds
but the real reason is just because GW doesnt understand how human/animal evolution works 
GW totally does. They've just chosen to ignore it because they want dogs and not weirdo beasts 
They really dont lmao
humans would change incredibly in the next few millennia
yet they look just fine minus "whatever random planet we want a wacky abhuman strain we wont ever explore"
I mean they can just choose to ignore it in flavour of making it fit better in the current fiction and be more easily digestible
Yeah this.
Its the same reason why every alien is humanoid
you dont really have to go All Tomorrows
basic stuff is usually the best
I doubt they are actually ignorant of how or what would actually happen in 40k years
Eh kinda
humanity is all practically the same
literally the only difference is space wizards/abhumans
The only lore bit from a semi-official source that directly compared 40k humans and 21st century humans is the Wrath and Glory core book, which states in a sidebar on page 121 that the average human in 40k is below average to a modern human due to a combination of malnutrition, lack of a proper work/rest cycle, and uncorrected ailments arising from backbreaking physical labour and lack of proper medical treatment.
The average 40k human of course lives in a hive sump so that doesn’t account for people who do get proper nutrition and medical treatment. It does imply that they’re not particularly different from modern humans though, since they suffer the same effects on their physiology based on environmental factors as we do.
I mean, how much did humans change over the last 40k years? Obviously, the more extreme worlds out there would probably force more extreme changes in the human population, but it's not unreasonable to have normal ass humans 40k years in the future.
not much but slightly in the past 40k years
the situation today does not favour the evolution of a new human species.

certified mobility scooter moment
Eh, most of it is just the interconnection of humanity on the planet. Speciation typically requires some level of isolation.
You really cant tell and guess how evolution works though
at the end of the day favourable or not it will evolve
its not exactly easy to say what will happen
They're afraid of sexy femboy slendermen
💀

Sure, but 40k doesn't need to predict evolution. It just needs to be reasonable enough to not totally break your suspension of disbelief.
I mean yeah thats what we are saying
at the end of the day GW dont know shit about evolution 
40k through its systems actually necessitates planets with hideously naturally mutated humans
That too
so yeah in the end its basically "Read up a wiki for 5 minutes and make up some abhuman strain"
need my man jaghatai back sorry
tbh I say this but 40k authors can barely do logistics either 💀
barely

I'm trying to be nice okay
Local human population naturally morphs into avians
Killed for worshipping tzeentch
Tragic
Why would the imperium do this
They probably wouldn't. Doesn't the imperium still have birds?
sometimes mechanical

Can you pm me the full for that dil
Eh, we have actually an example of this
Blessed
Depends, if the past 6 years is a good indicator we've been mostly going backwards
As a society, maybe
Me approaching lore chat
oshit watch out
using cuteness to ambush their prey.
yes
good
more reinforcement that the world eaters dont ''not use guns because its not khornate''
GW slowly disproving the dumb memes
khorne cares not how the blood flows only that it does
yup
people see his dislike for mages and psykers as a dislike for ranged combat. its not its that magic and warp powers often dont make people bleed
There's literally a character in the black legions books who is a world eater who uses a heavy bolter
One of the founders of the bl
The World Eaters had a Titan Legio that was composed of about 100-150 Warhound scout titans and nothing else
The fact that Lheorvine saved Khayon because he happened to be there and went "fuck it why not" is so perfectly World Eater of him
Every Blood Angel I table is for Lheorvine 💖
So true
I love characters that have either one singular title everyone knows them by or too many titles to chose
Lheorvine Ukris: Firefist
Lheorvine "Dont call me Firefist" Firefist
On the other side of the spectrum we have Iskandar Khayon: Chaos Sorcerer, the Lord Vigilator of the Black Legion, Warleader of the Kha'Sherhan, Third of the Ezekarion, brother to Ezekyle Abaddon, Khayon the Black, Kingbreaker
Pick one already why don't ya?
Also funny, there's no actual source on how the title Kingbreaker was earned
Just what he did
But not when or why or where
GIVE US ANSWERS GW
Magnuts
aka the guy that did nothing wrong
Khayon is a special boy and defeated Magnus in a psyker fight
gotta love plot armor
Psyker fights are canonically kingdom hearts battles
Yeah but there's no book where that happens, they just say it did
Multiple books and short stories say it happened but there's no source that goes deeper into it
I would have loved to se that happen but NO
We can't have nice things
if you where magnus would you want that story being widely known?
Yeah Khayon only appears in Talon and Black Legion so he refers to alot of stories that take place in different times
Just in passing
I would love to see every black crusade fully novelized to see such things
Lheorvine in the 7th and such
I will say the funniest thing about the 1st is Abaddon escaping the Eye and then immediately BTFOing sigismund who's been preparing his entire life for that fight
crayon?
100% loyalist 😛
The one chaos lord I remember most well is still Eliphas
ah Eliphas. the fool that never stays dead
"Vibe check."
not trying to take away from abby's W here, but wasn't part of that due to the fact that Sigismund got old and Ezekyle was still in his prime so to speak? Hell all things considered Abbadon has only gotten stronger since then.
Nah Sigi was still going strong
And to his credit, still wounded Abaddon
The straightness of his back and the power within his posture surprised me, though the dozens of my dead brothers spread across the deck should have dissuaded me of any illusions that Sigismund would be enfeebled by age.
the fool should have aimed for his head
I know Sigi was still strong, hell Dante is 1,500 years old and is still going strong, but I remember that Sigismund was only off a bit from his blow taking out both of Abbadon's hearts or something.
like i said. should have aimed for his head
Its also earlier foreshadowed that Abaddon isnt really a duelist, so his killing of Sigismund is especially interesting
That a number of the Ezekarion could outduel Abaddon
the who?
Namely Telemachon, a EC duelist, who wanted to fight Sigismund himself
Founding members of the Black Legion
Abaddon's advisors and brothers
that name is strange
Marine name syndrome
Unless you meant Ezekarion, in which case I assume it derives from Ezekyle
yeah i mean the Ezekarion
wtf does Ezekyle have to do with any of it tho?
ohhhhhh right
like wasnt the big 3 of religion wiped out in the age of strife? why are so many references to them in 40k
Sounds cool. Fluffwise though, names tend to kind of just derive from priors even across massive spans of time
ugh
yeah but names are often the first thing to change not the last
People have forgotten this, but way back when, the qualifications necessary to know whether or not something was appropriate for 40k was "would it look sick as fuck on a metal album cover."
^
LOL
same as how Eresus is named after the child of chaos in greek mythology
whoops meant Erebus
Sus
And names like Ezekiel and Sigismund are cooler than Steve or bob.

kinda
Ezekiel is a dumb fucking name

Sigismund is just your usual germanic one
so they just picked what sounded best as said above
hell i cant even remember who the real world Ezekiel was
Ezekiel (; Hebrew: יְחֶזְקֵאל Yəḥezqēʾl [jəħ.ɛzˈqeːl]; in the Septuagint written in Koinē Greek: Ἰεζεκιήλ Iezekiḗl [i.ɛ.zɛ.kiˈel]) is the central protagonist of the Book of Ezekiel in the Hebrew Bible.
In Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, Ezekiel is acknowledged as a Hebrew prophet. In Judaism and Christianity, he is also viewed as the 6th-centu...
i thought it was nordic
so i was right he was a prophet
Sigismund (variants: Sigmund, Siegmund) is a German proper name, meaning "protection through victory", from Old High German sigu "victory" + munt "hand, protection". Tacitus latinises it Segimundus.
Like if you take a picture anywhere in the 40k universe from the right perspective, generally the theory goes that you should end up with a picture that makes you want to listen to a metal album.
stop
so any and all things khorne related
Yeah, but also everything else.
Like, if you were in a record shop and saw an album with a picture of a million dudes using ropes and pulleys to load a building sized missile into a even bigger gun in a cathedral/spaceship.
A lot of the weird dumb over the top stuff makes sense when you think of it like that.
Ezekiel sounds like something you'd name some 7ft tall bastard raised in the middle of a corn field.
the jedi are just psykers
"Hey!"
"What?"
"What's your name?"
"Ezekiel!"
"Fuck you, Ezekiel!"
lol
likely cause it is lol. biblical names are still very common for some dumb reason
so how did magnus lose his eye?
The dumb reason probably beeing that people still are very religious in some parts of the worls
sadly not the reason. a lot of people give their kids biblical names without even knowing they are biblical lol
one of my best friends named his son Ezekiel
I've never known him to be super religious, but I have never even met the mother, so...
i knew someone that claimed they had meet an anti-Semite that had a Hebrew name and said they had no idea their name was Hebrew lol
if true its a perfect example of how little people think about where the name comes from when they set about naming their kids lol

like i said idk if it was true or not. but if so its really funny and i hate i never asked more about it lol
Amazing
no one said it took intelligence to be racist.
funny thing is, most common "white" names have ties to hebrew origins if not in part then in whole.
yes
when did they start using the mk VI space marine helmets more than the mk VIII?
afaik the mk X the primaris all use uses the maximus helmet
as mk X is just everything good about all the older armors in one set
Mark vi is beaky helmet
U good
The mark x's helmet is based off the mark iv
He lost it soon after reuniting with his legion, he made a bargain with tzeentch to lose his eye in exchange for curing the flesh change in his legion
Which later came back anyway
i miss the emperor zurg helmet mouths
i see
Lots of chaos marines still use em
chaos marines best marines anyway
i really wonder how primaris will affect space marine 2's plot
minimally probably
Considering it's literally just "ok u got a lil bigger" lorewise
and irl is just an excuse to sell marine players a second army's worth of models
I mean he's now primaris
oh okay i was wondering about that
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What do you guys think about the Dark Angels and they "mission" to find and kill the "fallen angels"do you guys think they are to paranoid i mean they even destroyed a ship from the Black Templars with all of them in it cause they caught one fallen angel
it just shows how stupid the DA are lol
Being paranoid is one of their core features so yes
sadly all their books deal about the Fallen since they got no character beyond it
I mean I understand it to some degree
who else you gona write a DA book about?
like who are the named characters of the DA?
a shit ton
loyalist Chapters got weird writing
fair

Whats your faction if i may ask
that's why HH is better with more interesting Space Marine stories 
At the cost of most of the novels being dogshit
eh, most are above average but there surely are some dogshit ones
Name is Dwarflara, obviously the Leagues of Votann
when the bar for average is so low that doesnt mean much lol
it's still better than dogshit
Oh yeah right lol sry
I'm not sure if I would call most of them above average
Jokes aside I try to favor every faction equally
I mean some are
and usually defend them in some cases lol
The balance nice choice
🙏
factions overall or subfactions too
fulgrim's okay
that book's okay
The original not whatever tf the primarch series is outside of milking people like valrak
not touching that
Overall.

I only defend Krieg when their fans are being brainlets. They are a neat faction ruined by the fanbase.
No no if you criticize muh space marines you must be some sort of fanboy for another faction!
It's the only explanation!
💀
ADB: writes almost only marines, openly says his favorite 40k marine faction is blood angels
Fans: HE CRITICIZED LOYALISTS THROUGH CHAOS CHARACTER HE MUST BE A CHAOS FANBOY YOU CAN'T TRUST AARON!!!!
i try i just cant bring myself to entirely enjoy orks or votan
oh ye thats just SM fans being salty ADB called 30k players toxic assholes 
I mean a lot of em are
GOD
we actually had like
3-4 marine stans (that of course got banned) call us chaos fanboys
for defending other factions
Although 30k 2.0 seems like it'll attract a lot more well rounded individuals since it's not mostly forgeworld
Or just saying Imperium = Bad
We have had Marine fans call us far worse things
😔
Pre Heresy Armor > 41st Millennuim armor
Damn
Yeah there is a reason people tend to be wary of SM fans here
Or just ppl with SM pfp
Correct
But
Beakie armor > all other marine armor
Look at these chads
Bastard on the far left in the second image doesn't even have a boltgun he's got an autogun and he's sticking to it
I love them
oddly enough. the helmets those beaked ones are some what inspired by are called pig faced
Hands down Black Templars are the best successor "chapter" of the Loyalist SM
Nah
Love how insane and evil Konrad curze is
We were defending some factions and the guys kept calling us chaos fanboys for no reason lol
also then resorted to slurs and got yeeted
I mean... you don't need to have an iq in the double digits to appreciate other factions.
But if you live and breathe only space marines then I guess it is indeed possible to have a negative iq
And I hate how often it goes hand in hand someone favorite factions is space marines, they bash pretty much everything else, and the moment they get push back that doesn't agree with them the slurs come out.
Hounskulls?
Based and wrote the best marines(CSM)
Chaos written right, by that I mean when there is logic and purpose behind their actions is good. Kind of the reason I like Kharn and Ahriman I guess.
Bascinets are neat
"I prefer eldar, marines are boring but that's just my opinion"
SM fan in the darktide discord: "Time for racial slurs"
like
what is even the in universe slur for the eldar?
i know they have one for humans
surely the humans have one for them
Why would they? Most humans don't know eldar exist. The classification of being "xeno" culturally for humans is as bad as it gets, except perhaps being a heretic.
Usually the usual "Xeno [insult]"
Nothing.
As Cera said its just xeno
any other fantasy elf slur is kinda cringe since it doesnt really fit a sci-fi setting
Most you can get is maybe calling psyker eldar "witches" but that insult gets thrown around to any non-imperial psychic anyway
i see
the only elf slur i know is knife ear and that should work for all settings lol
Eh thats really default and lazy
yeah
Technically but I dont think its ever used in 40k
Nope, never
orks are the ones that have some slang
but its just "pointiez" 
marines are also just "beakiez"
The one thing I've seen is Drukhari called "Twisted changelings from the sky" but thats just because most Imperials have no ides what they are
there is no insult the Imperium can hurl at the Eldar that can scar them worst then what they have suffered at Gav Thorpe's hand.
sus
Old Ork Lore Moment™️
"It wuz a diffrent toim"
The Praetorian Guard stuff is a bit suspect.
what? nah there is nothing sus about 19th century british colonial troops in the far far future
wasnt their first boxset fighting against tribal orks or was I dreaming
Yeah...
Is this warhammer fantasy?
about as subtle as a neon sign the size of New Jersey
yup
In DoW they call them "panzies"
Due to their love of hit and run warfare
No
i know, its a joke
I just want to bring this up, but I love how stupid this piece is with Ferrus fighting Fulgrim with a wrench
I love how he just has some BBQ pack and looks like a bald nobody
Perfectly fitting to Ferrus
hell what better to smack a pretty boy back in his place
do orks sleep?
I believe so
in DoW there's an ork line "Wake up boyz, it's time for fightin!"
so, presumably?
What did the Horus and the rest of his traitor legions call themselves during that time? Did they proudly call themselves the traitors/heresy or did they have a cool name for themselves
He named his legion Sons of Horus, when he began to start his betrayal. The irony of that, is the emperor wanted Horus to call them that, but he didn’t felt right about it.
Now here he is, doing the last thing his father wanted. As he planned to betray him
Cool cool. Did the heresy in general just call themselves the Heresy or did they try to spin it like they were the "good guys" and give themselves some kind of title?
Not really, they didn’t have a title as they betrayed the emperor
Perty definitely doesn't like being referred to as a traitor
Well then He shouldn't have become one
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No, they just embraced the whole "traitor legions" thing
And they didn't really call themselves heretics, hardly anyone called them heretics until well after the heresy itself
The imperium initially called it "the age of darkness" until it became more religious iirc
What do you guys think about Rylanor Ancient of Rites and his last action on Istavan III its personally one of my favorit stories
While the Leagues were unveiled in April this year, they trace their lineage back to the game’s early days, as well as occasionally popping up on the ravaged planet of Necromunda, where their cousins, the Ironhead Squat Prospectors, can be found searching for riches under its irradiated crust.
The first thing you might notice is that they look a little squat compared to many other races in the galaxy. Measuring up at around 4ft (1.4m) on average, Kin are miniscule compared to the warriors of the Adeptus Astartes, but they can pack almost as much of a punch.
Inside that diminutive frame is the stout heart of a fighter who is afraid of no foe – be they fellow mortals or eldritch horrors. The Kin answer the rallying call to battle whenever, and wherever, they are required.
Armour and Wargear
As we’ve alluded to before, the Kin also happen to be sitting on a closely guarded network of (more-or-less) functioning STCs.The Leagues may move slowly, but they’re not stuck in a technological rut, unlike some factions we could mention. Their engineers – called Brôkhyrs – command the auto-foundries of each Kinhold from their personal A.N-vyl terminals. But what are they forging?
We know the Leagues have technology far outclassing much of that of the Imperium, and Void Armour is a prime example of this. While the Power Armour of the Adeptus Astartes is always evolving, and may be considered the peak of Imperial body protection, the Kin’s Void Armour takes personal defence to another level.
Void armour comprises hardened, jointed segments which are hooked into the void suit beneath. It is fashioned from magnaferrite weave, and often reinforced with adamantine and enhanced with microfield generators – providing the ultimate protection for these doughty warriors.
Culture in general is incredibly important to the Leagues, and much like the requirement for Imperial Knight pilots to honour their ancestors, Kin are also acutely aware that the Ancestors are Always Watching, a phrase which is used as a blessing, battlecry, and warning interchangeably.
The rugged survivalist culture of the Leagues of Votaan has bred a long-lived, hardy, and self-sufficient race. In order to truly honour the Ancestors, every member of a Hold must also endeavour to live a full life, discovering as much as they can and offering their learned experience to the Votann. This thirst for knowledge has led the Kin to launch countless exploratory and prospecting fleets into the wider galaxy – and even fight as mercenaries in other species’ wars!
where is it
i hate you
SHUT
WHY IS AMOGUS HERE
I DONT KNOW
I can't wait when I am in a retirement home
And I see one of those red bins that Look like Amogus
And I just start repeating amogus
I have a representation of that
THESE ARE ALL WHITE
THEY ARE BLACK AND WHITE
banned
DEATH.
leave


Is a 4+ on the tabletop

Smurf
sounds like Birmingham
Wonder who will write the first Votann book
Dilara obvs

Gav. He's handled other xenos books series so well.



