#40k-lore-chat

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storm jungle
plush mason
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smart

frail rune
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I think they would play similarly to the Guardsman in terms of being incredibly numerous but expandable with low morale

storm jungle
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I mean kind of. Guardsman still have human morals

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skaven dont give a shit about anything

frail rune
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Only they have Ratling Gunners and Jezzails

storm jungle
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also half your mechanized units would explode with the wrong dice roll

plush mason
storm jungle
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Chaos Guardsman Moment

frail rune
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Well yeah they gotta compensate for OP weapons

plush mason
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its still true tho. never fight fair. the only rule of war is to win

storm jungle
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yeah but at the end of the day you fire on your own men the moment they come back from the fight they will kill you

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why do you think actual medieval wars didnt have commanders firing on their units to kill enemies as well with arrow barrages

plush mason
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you mean like the inquisition does to very guard unit that fights demons?

storm jungle
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Not the example im giving

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this is the same reason why commissars get regularly fragged

frail rune
storm jungle
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Kinda

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its a bit of a stupid piece of lore

plush mason
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its that whole "ignorance is the best shield" crap

storm jungle
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the knowledge of chaos is supposedly dangerous yet you got some guard regiments that fight them on a weekly to monthly basis

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^

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it sometimes makes sense sometimes doesnt

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especially since planets fall to chaos really regularly

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so its a bit KEK

frail rune
plush mason
storm jungle
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but yeah its dumb

scenic bolt
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not as dumb as the grey knights lore

storm jungle
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god

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dont

scenic bolt
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cant know the enemy's existence

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or ours

storm jungle
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also the enemy they kill actively respawn

scenic bolt
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gonna kill you on both account

storm jungle
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so much for that secrecy

plush mason
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isnt there some lore that says the demons lose a lot of their memories when they respawn in the warp or something?

storm jungle
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Nah. Their respawn timer just gets extended.

frail rune
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Seen a bit of lore from the Space Marines and the two that stands out the most for me are the Salamanders and Malevolent

scenic bolt
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grey knights to me are an indemnification of the worst traits of regular marines

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at least custodes are locked in the palace most the time

storm jungle
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LOL

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yeah grey knights are mary sue as hell

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"OUR GENE-SEED COMES STRAIGHT FROM THE EMPEROR"

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"How"

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"I dunno"

plush mason
frail rune
storm jungle
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Not really

hot lion
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Old lore for grey knights was better

storm jungle
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Grey Knights are like diet-custodes

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if I told you half of their lore it would sound like bad homebrew

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"THEIR CHAPTER NUMBER IS 666."

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"THEIR RECRUITS HAVE TO GO THROUGH 666 TRIALS."

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||Actual lore||

plush mason
scenic bolt
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cant salvage it

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into the bin you go grey knights

storm jungle
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YEET

frail rune
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Okay even i find it like it was written by a 10 year old

crisp heath
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Wow this makes me love the grey knights

plush mason
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sarcasm right?

crisp heath
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I love 40k for how over the top it is

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No sarcasm

plush mason
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same but the grey knights are just over the top stupid

frail rune
storm jungle
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I mean

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you could be a factory slave I MEAN worker at Amazon

plush mason
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i vote we exterminatus titan

storm jungle
crisp heath
scenic bolt
crisp heath
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That’s why I kinda stopped liking Star Wars because they literally can’t have anything bad happen in their universe

scenic bolt
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timeline without grey knights

storm jungle
crisp heath
plush mason
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@storm jungle so if the new demongate game is correct not even most inquisitors of ordo maliffecens or whatever know the grey knights exist lol

storm jungle
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but okay

crisp heath
storm jungle
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Not what im referencing either

crisp heath
storm jungle
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aka their main fighting force

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they do a little bit of trolling

viral haven
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Grey Knights and their baby carriers

storm jungle
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god

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stop

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LMAO

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DONT

viral haven
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I can't even remember their actual names

plush mason
viral haven
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Ouch, the edge

storm jungle
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HERE IT COMES

distant parcel
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💀

frail rune
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40K has gender equality due to the Battle Sisters

storm jungle
# plush mason yes i know so the idea that most of the ordo doesnt even know their chamber mili...

All Inquisitors are allowed to know about the Grey Knights. There might be Inquisitors that don't know about the Grey Knights because knowledge about them has nothing to do with their job and nobody ever bothered to tell them about the Grey Knights, but since Inquisitors have clearance on top secret information in the Imperium all they would have to do to get information on the Grey Knights is request it and it'll be handed to them at a moment's notice.

frail rune
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Who are flamethrower wielding Karens

viral haven
storm jungle
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Sisters of battle are pretty good

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but they are also psychos so 💀

viral haven
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That's a plus

frail rune
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Or even the Eldar or Tau women tbh

storm jungle
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wat

crisp heath
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Necron women OmegaGuardsmanHype

plush mason
storm jungle
frail rune
storm jungle
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oh no

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anyway, all 40k women are queens

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👑

plush mason
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i literally had some idiot in another discord try to tell me the SOB where a form of female empowerment lol. i could feel the brain rot setting in as the convo progressed

hot lion
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They're plastic toy soldiers

crisp heath
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Lol

plush mason
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yes

hot lion
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Armored battle nuns

plush mason
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as i said. brain rot

crisp heath
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Hit them with reality

scenic bolt
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SoB gave us this though

storm jungle
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they are

plush mason
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no they arent

storm jungle
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the entire reason they exist is to appeal more to the female demographic

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its all about that cash

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so yeah they are

viral haven
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I just like them for what they are

frail rune
plush mason
storm jungle
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dont tell them that

crisp heath
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I mean I think they are cool but I wouldn’t collect them

hot lion
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Can we fucking not

storm jungle
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No

viral haven
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I collected them

storm jungle
viral haven
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Funny church launcher go brrrt

storm jungle
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we do a little bit of organ-missiling

frail rune
hot lion
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I've had enough internet nonsense for a lifetime in the span of 2 weeks

viral haven
scenic bolt
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the organ launcher is perfect design ethos

frail rune
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I mean i just dont go on twitter or reddit at all

crisp heath
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Yea that’s a cool design

viral haven
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I also like Arco flaggelants, and the Seraphim's

crisp heath
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They turn babies into drones

storm jungle
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Nah

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cherubs are vat-grown

viral haven
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Even if actually using them on the tabletop was a bit shit thanks to the bases and those flight sticks

crisp heath
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Vat baby

storm jungle
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Baby Vat

crisp heath
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Can they talk

storm jungle
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Yes

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but they are basically brainless and can only do simple stuff

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they are literally pigeons mindset wise

viral haven
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I still remember using my living Saint as a stand in for an commander. And because she is held up by a few bits of plastic, she would constantly wobble around and almost break off

crisp heath
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Lol was your opponent shaking the table

frail rune
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I would play tabletop but i have no one to do it with

plush mason
frail rune
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And i pretty much accepted that this wont really change

crisp heath
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There is a gaming store near me but all they play is card games

viral haven
hot lion
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uhh

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I mean, socially awkward nerds are... well, socially awkward

storm jungle
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I mean

frail rune
storm jungle
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I wouldnt want to play with a guy that paints his krieg as the waffen ss

frail rune
storm jungle
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"ITS JUST A PAINTJOB MAN."

crisp heath
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Dude thinks he is playing bolt action

viral haven
storm jungle
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Yeah... was gonna say this

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40k has a massive chud problem in general

viral haven
storm jungle
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you know its bad when even GW had to make a statement about it

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💀

plush mason
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im sorry but is "wehraboo" something to do with the wehrmarch?

storm jungle
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yeah

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basically stanning the WW2 germany army

scenic bolt
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yea flames of war and bolt action were almost not even as bad as 40k in that regard

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even if 3/4 of the locals were playing german armies

hot lion
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The tanks are nifty

plush mason
viral haven
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Same guy who went (as we were all German in the group) "Oh yeah, allies had to use 4 soldiers to kill a single German one. We only lost because they had the numbers advantage"

storm jungle
plush mason
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ugh

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that hurts

storm jungle
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yeah...

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Krieg suffers from it a lot

viral haven
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So yeah, that's why I stopped playing tabletop

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Besides the fact that he stole some of my models

storm jungle
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bruh

viral haven
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Rip contemtor dreadnought, rip terminators, rip creature caster model for over 100 bucks

scenic bolt
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if the official paintjob of the Armageddon steel legion was grey instead of tan the wehraboos wouldve latched onto that first instead of krieg

plush mason
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what happened to the terminators?

scenic bolt
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Ill die on that hill

storm jungle
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the best part is Steel Legion started out as german too

viral haven
storm jungle
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before being slowly americanized

plush mason
crisp heath
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I thought that was the whole point of krieg is to be a WW1 style army why do people keep associating it with WW2

plush mason
crisp heath
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They literally have a mix of all the WW1 armies uniforms

viral haven
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All Wehraboos should perish

storm jungle
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yeah but

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heehoo funny hanz flammemwerher shit

plush mason
crisp heath
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Yes a stalhelm with a British gas mask and a French great coat

hot lion
storm jungle
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theres also people who ironically style their krieg after SS soldiers as well KEK

crisp heath
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Krieg fans are basically the equivalent of space marine fans but for the guard

storm jungle
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Yeah...

plush mason
hot lion
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Space marine fans?

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I mean, I like Blood Ravens

storm jungle
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have you seen your average marine fanboy

hot lion
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Have you seen your average anything nerdy fanboy?

storm jungle
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Have you seen who 40k's posterboys are?

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and how many models they get?

plush mason
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no cause they almost never come out from their mom's basement lol

hot lion
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Yes?

storm jungle
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Hence our point

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the marine players are the dominant faction

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theres a reason everyone memes on them

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lol

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We literally had one marine fanboy who called us subhuman for wanting to play guardsman

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and another who compared tau to rhodesia

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so yeah

plush mason
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GW needs to grow a pair and give us back the old mentally unstable marines

storm jungle
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Arresting people on the streets

plush mason
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the ones that made the real army grown when ever they showed up lol

storm jungle
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God I loved that stuff

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and the fact that they were all made from criminals pumped with drugs and given mass-murder weaponry

crisp heath
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How dare they

plush mason
crisp heath
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They are literally mutants

storm jungle
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He was using it in an IRL way lmao

crisp heath
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I meant it in a irl way

storm jungle
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oof 💀

plush mason
crisp heath
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Just kidding but yea I would rather be a regular human than a dude with a power fantasy

crisp heath
plush mason
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same

crisp heath
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Ogryns are better than space marines

plush mason
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10x better than SM in every way

crisp heath
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More human

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That’s why they serve in the guard

plush mason
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100x more loveable than a SM too

scenic bolt
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thats old

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like rogue trader old

plush mason
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yeah that was back when SMs had good lore and writing lol

cosmic sierra
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uhm, hello everyone! I'm looking for someone with thorough knowledge of Warhammer lore (specifically Great Crusade and Horus Heresy) for a modding project. Anybody interested, just drop me a PM.

vapid tiger
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Marines in rt had a chance of taking lasguns or autoguns instead of bolters

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Squad generation was done via random tables, it was weird

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Likewise eldar had a chance of taking bolters instead of shuriken catapults

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Though bolters were characterized in rt as simply "guns that fire big bullets that either explode or have armor piercing capabilities"

viral haven
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Don't forget Obi wan Sherlock Clouseau

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Best thing to come out of RT

serene jungle
unique berry
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@storm jungle sry for the ping) what do u think about that theory

storm jungle
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Ngl a bit too far fetched for me lmao

tawdry escarp
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I can tell you that she'll think its bullshit

storm jungle
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Yep

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it sounds more like alpha legion copium than anything else

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I wouldnt mind it as much if the Alpha Legion ever helped the Imperium but they never have so its a bit hard to really buy

unique berry
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understandable

storm jungle
tawdry escarp
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If GW does decide to do something like this, then they'll definitely retconn some Alpha Legion Ops where they help the Imperium

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You know they will

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They'll 'suddenly come to light' as the Alpha Legion explains it's Master Plan

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And honestly, if AL did help an Imperial world, do you think that world is gonna say shit? That's an easy way to get labeled a Traitor World

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Hell, GW could probably use all of the AL fanboys who run that legion and do 'good' things out of the belief that AL is actually deep cover to justify that

vapid tiger
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Alpha legion are just pure chaos who are totally disorganized post-heresy

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i mean look at them in dow

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They're just fans of subterfuge

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That fan theory up there is just emperor circlejerking spittle

tawdry escarp
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Of course it is

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GW likes everything where it is now

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Anything clever or unexpected would be bad for sales

vapid tiger
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"Emperor planned everything" does not equal "clever"

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Truly clever and unexpected shit would be stuff like having the exodites and hrud be more relevant

tawdry escarp
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Aren't they bringing back the Exodites?

storm jungle
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Nope

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exodites havent gotten an army ever since 40k existed

vapid tiger
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There was a faked codex leak a while back

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But it was very fake

storm jungle
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yeee

vapid tiger
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Eldar riding lizardmen dinos with lasers? Sign me up

tawdry escarp
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They had a video on WH+ named Exodite with the promise that more was coming soon

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Soontm

vapid tiger
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PFT that was a fan animation from Lost Legion Studios that they adopted to put on WH+ instead of Youtube

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With the promise that more episodes will eventually release

storm jungle
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and what happened was uh

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through 5 weeks

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they just released 3 episodes

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it had no exodites

vapid tiger
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ya

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it had

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ONE

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EXODITE

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Who was a ranger

storm jungle
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KEK

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yeah

vapid tiger
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But yeah I'd love if corsairs were made an army again and expanded alongside the exodites being made an army

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Also have hrud be an army and have them be a mix of space skaven and the garbage trashmen with time-warping effects

Combine both old and modern hrud into one faction and say both are canon

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MOAR XENOS

tawdry escarp
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That single exodite ranger styled on those tau

storm jungle
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My man had no CHILL

vapid tiger
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Lords of change b like

autumn cypress
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I need to do a little reading up on my gents in red, but I figured I'd ask here for some of the basics on the AdMech first

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Outside of the obvious

plush mason
autumn cypress
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The basic stuff like organization heads and basic military units

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I'm not too privy on the actual ranking system within the admech

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Summarizations are also accepted, no need to copy paste the whole wh40k wiki

storm jungle
autumn cypress
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Oh right since they've got what the tech priests, fabricator generals, etc

rocky dune
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Basic idea is tech support cult that sees innovation as heretical

storm jungle
autumn cypress
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Skitarii, hyspasists

storm jungle
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Yeah this is the most accurate fan hierarchy you're gonna get

autumn cypress
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JEEZUMS

storm jungle
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YEP

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pro tip, just read the lexicanum

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it does a great summary of what they are and what they do

storm jungle
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after that if you are into books go read Forges of Mars

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its one of the best admech novels

autumn cypress
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Jiminy Hellmas man that's a very involved structuring system

storm jungle
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Yeah that thing I threw in is the best you're ognna get

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its fanmade but lore-accurate to the max

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GW doesnt bother with hierarchy boards

autumn cypress
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Handy, cheers

storm jungle
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No worries

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its a lot but just ignore the tiny ranks and read the text boxes on the sides

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it gives a good picture of the admech castes and their jobs etc

plush mason
# storm jungle

as complicated as this is. its actually a good command structure due to no major overlap/conflicts of authority

storm jungle
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Yup like i said its fanmade but incredibly accurate and useful

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I got one for all Imperium adeptas

plush mason
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like as broken and corrupt as the imperium is. its over all command structure and system is actually really really good

storm jungle
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Yeah its more the people in charge abusing their power within and outside their organisation

plush mason
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yup

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in the imperium's case its the people not the system

wind flicker
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tag urself im a datasmith

storm jungle
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I'm the Mech-Deacon

autumn cypress
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I'd probably be an acuitor-silica
Low rank in the cybernetica

plush mason
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my ass would just be a servitor

plush mason
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admech ina nutshell

serene jungle
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I'll be honest, if that's how they responded, I'd totally respect them for it

plush mason
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same

serene jungle
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absolute chad move too

rose thorn
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I HAVE BOUGHR BELAKOR IM SO HYPE

cosmic sierra
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Hello again, if anybody likes stellaris and has extensive knowledge of the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy eras specifically, please do PM me.

tranquil umbra
storm jungle
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  • CSMs experience mutations that reflect their nature, like a marine that's obsessed with death having their head and helmet fuse into the shape of an armored skull.
  • Regarding that age-old debate about whether the Imperium is causing its own problems: Because the Imperium is so restrictive and oppressive, there is a festering sentiment of rebellion on just about every civilized world in the Imperium, and this is a breeding ground for Chaos and heresy. The persecution of mutants in particular often drives them to Chaos.
  • Due to the Black Legion's diverse and flexible forces, their wide range of skills and experience can help them win campaigns that would take other legions and warbands twice the numbers to complete.
  • The Alpha Legion is the one traitor legion known to make the most use of cultists as infiltrators and instigators in the Imperium, and they're very well trained. On a planet called Huranos in Imperium Nihilus, dozens of lone cultist agents with subdermal electoos conducted a highly successful campaign of commando raids against imperial facilities using surprisingly impressive tactical skill.
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Some pretty nifty stuff

final spruce
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Its sad how GW literally has to write down the second part

barren tapir
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The second point is plain in front of everyone, and it is indeed, as Zher said, a shame that have to be written down for people to get it

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Alpha legion stuff is also extremely interesting, it kinda point more the the theories of alpha legion not being chaos corrupted and more an independent variable that is simply following its plans instead of being affiliate with chaos

vast frigate
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by gw?

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Gods above the world really is changing

barren tapir
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They are starting to believe

final spruce
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Damn, GW finally fixing their lore ?

barren tapir
plush mason
rose thorn
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So I was looking at warhammer books at my bookstore and I saw that there was a crimson fist book, and it was fucking huge. How much lore could the crimsons fists even have???

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Aren’t they just ‘daddy dorn is dead, we want to murder orks.’

cerulean wagon
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its space marines

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the lore may be brainlet, but theres a lot of it

rose thorn
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AhhHhhhhHhhhhhhh okay

plush mason
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arent those the ones that look a shit ton like ultramarines? and have aggressively spanish names?

rose thorn
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Yeah

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Because they are Hispanic

plush mason
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yeah should be happy GW didnt make them sombrero helmets lol

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i still dont get why they look so much like ultramarines tho

rocky dune
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They were one of the first space marines created

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Chapters

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They are on a ton of really old art

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On the cover of a codex I think

rocky dune
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Might have been made at similar times

rose thorn
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tbh they are cooler then other chapters design wise at least

rocky dune
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Before they needed to be more distinct

rose thorn
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i really like the deep red with the desaturated blue

plush mason
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yeah i agree. its just they look so much like ultramarines that i thought they where a successor of them at first lol

rocky dune
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If you looked at how they were treated at the start, you would think they would be a founding chapter

plush mason
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i had only discovered them recently so i dont much about their lore in general

rocky dune
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They’re p cool

plush mason
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tbh im glad they dont look more like the imperial fists. i cant stand their muscle car paint job lol

rocky dune
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The red fists look real cool with the contrast

storm jungle
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Legion of the Damned are right there

plush mason
storm jungle
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awful

plush mason
storm jungle
plush mason
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LOL no. a muscle car has a giant gas sink for an engine

storm jungle
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same thing

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yeet

plush mason
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anyway. canary yellow is just not a good color. on anything let alone a superhuman warrior

shadow plover
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eh with proper volume to the colour fists look real nice

plush mason
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still canary yellow

shadow plover
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yellow good

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simple as

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mix in some black and it's real good

rose thorn
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WHyyYy

shadow plover
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it's still somewhat active in the lore innit?

storm jungle
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Yeah they are active

rose thorn
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THEY WERE SO DUMB AND EDGY IT WAS AMAZING

storm jungle
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they are just a footnote chapter

shadow plover
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model range is just lacking support

storm jungle
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^

rose thorn
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they had thier own codex tho

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like at least give them subfaction rules

storm jungle
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Eh

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like i said they are a footnote

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i can understand scrapping them

plush mason
rose thorn
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yeah but, i remember they got like a box set and everything when the codex dropped for 8ed

shadow plover
rose thorn
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at least pay the people who have a full army of LOTD some respect

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now their chapter is a codex behind, aka useless

shadow plover
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think they've still got the legends index

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though it is from 8th ed but I'm sure people would let you play with them

rose thorn
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yeah but

legends tho

shadow plover
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well it's better than nothing 😄

rose thorn
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true

plush mason
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isnt the whole lore of the LOTD that they just randomly spawn in the ninth hour of a doomed imperial battle. kill everything that is pushing the imperial force's shit in. and leave?

rose thorn
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also rip everyone's WH fantasy's now Legends army

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and to a lesser extent 40k

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i know there are people with whole armies of chaos dwarves

plush mason
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i imagine they may be more of those once TWWH3 adds them to the mix

shadow plover
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do I have to end you

plush mason
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nah. if you like canary yellow thats fine. i never will tho

shadow plover
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Just jesting ofc, but is the yamaha yellow canary yellow?

plush mason
shadow plover
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well it's a bit darker

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and tbf I'd go with the latter with IF as well

plush mason
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yeah most people do

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if i where to paint them tho i would use what every citadel's version of buttercup is

rose thorn
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‘Oh cool these soul drinkers sound kinda neat I’ll read their wiki-‘

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Ah

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Were.

proper helm
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I think they got refounded?

plush mason
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thats possible?

woven sandal
plush mason
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thats often what a muscle car has

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ether v8 or v12

woven sandal
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Nah, Muscle Cars have V8s a lot more advanced than the flathead V8s typically found in Hotrods.

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The Ford flathead V8 (often called simply the Ford flathead, flathead Ford, or flatty when the context is implicit, such as in hot-rodding) is a V8 engine with a flat cylinder head designed by the Ford Motor Company and built by Ford and various licensees. During the engine's first decade of production, when overhead-valve engines were used by o...

plush mason
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still not sure what the difference is between a muscle car and a hotrod. afaik both are just classic american cars will big heavy power engines

wind flicker
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Its a hobbyist distinction

plush mason
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so no actual difference got it

woven sandal
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Eh, a Muscle Car is typically a factory option. While a Hotrod is always some sort of modification.

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Also, Hotrods are typically made using cars from the 30s while Muscle Cars are cars from the 60s.

wind flicker
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This is like distinguishing deciduous trees to a layperson

woven sandal
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You aren't entirely wrong.

marsh grail
#

So based on equipment and clothing who were the zealots before they became prisoners? Were they part of the eclesiarchy?

storm jungle
#

Hard to say since you choose your background

wind flicker
#

You choose your own background separate from crime

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Veteran is the only one where past is more specific

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But even then, they could be personal guard of someone

marsh grail
#

So I could pick any background and still be a zealot?

#

What distinguishes them as a zealot then? Is their an actual table top equivalent?

wind flicker
#

Sedition/crisis of faith arent exclusive yea

wind flicker
#

So you could be a seditious zealot

#

Its a CYOA kinda dealio

real stone
#

It's in their Saab 96's, and their Sonetts (specifically their type 3), and also the 99

#

It's a castiron block, with legendary sturdiness and customization

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I've seen one with a turbo for each cylinder

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I've got a Saab 96 I'm trying to put back together, and I just found another site with the right parts

#

bro

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they sell the entire inletmanifold

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that's insane

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It's almost 2K euros

#

but holy shit

jaunty bobcat
#

Man, the more I read into HH.. the more I admire guilliman

rose thorn
jaunty bobcat
#

I try not to apply the popular hate for smurfs into the lore

lyric ember
#

guilliman is awesome tbh

#

besides that time emps possessed him

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that was dumb

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really cool

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but dumb

jaunty bobcat
#

I'm reading the unremembered empire

#

Lion arrives at macragge

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The dialogue they have in the table. Man

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Really upped my respect for guilliman

thick badge
#

''Everything gone to shit''
''Jupp''
''This is not what my father wanted''
''Juuuuup.''
''F**...''
Lion slides Guilliman a whiskey
''Its ok man.''

rose thorn
#

As a chaos enjoyer✨ I must hate every primarch that takes the imperium seriously

#

Which, is actually only 6 of them I think

#

Guil, dorn, uh… lion kinda,

#

Anyway that’s why Corvus Shoukd be the next loyalest primarch to return

woven sandal
rose thorn
#

‘We must release our ultimate weapon upon abbadon….’

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‘marketability.’

rose thorn
#

In 40K, how are dogs like

#

Still a thing

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I know the No wolves on where ever the fuck meme

#

But like, these are pure breed normal ass modern day dogs

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I’d expect what ever maniacs they would call dog breeders have min maxed dogs to look more like fucking hell hounds then anything

viral vessel
#

It's just as likely the Administratum keeps track of such strains of mutants, or at least the ones that they deem to be useful to the Imperium. Or local sector Administratum offices have notaries on such. Also conceivable that specific strains may be kept the way they are for whatever suited environment they're on for a particular region.

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There are likely untracked mutant strains of dog out there, but that wouldn't have stopped people from keeping the more regular forms of dogs.

signal hill
# plush mason thats possible?

yes, with the emergance of the primaris a few chapters that were destroyed were refounded
they basically gabe the primaris the 'coat of arms' of the destroyed chapter so they could carry on the legacy (or rewrite it)

shadow plover
#

yeah same happened with the Star Scorpions

#

although not with primaris exclusively

#

I've been planning to reading/listening the newest Soul Drinkers book, is it any good?

storm jungle
#

but the real reason is just because GW doesnt understand how human/animal evolution works lul

woven sandal
#

GW totally does. They've just chosen to ignore it because they want dogs and not weirdo beasts lul

storm jungle
#

They really dont lmao

#

humans would change incredibly in the next few millennia

#

yet they look just fine minus "whatever random planet we want a wacky abhuman strain we wont ever explore"

shadow plover
#

I mean they can just choose to ignore it in flavour of making it fit better in the current fiction and be more easily digestible

storm jungle
#

Yeah this.

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Its the same reason why every alien is humanoid

#

you dont really have to go All Tomorrows

#

basic stuff is usually the best

shadow plover
#

I doubt they are actually ignorant of how or what would actually happen in 40k years

storm jungle
#

Eh kinda

#

humanity is all practically the same

#

literally the only difference is space wizards/abhumans

#

The only lore bit from a semi-official source that directly compared 40k humans and 21st century humans is the Wrath and Glory core book, which states in a sidebar on page 121 that the average human in 40k is below average to a modern human due to a combination of malnutrition, lack of a proper work/rest cycle, and uncorrected ailments arising from backbreaking physical labour and lack of proper medical treatment.

The average 40k human of course lives in a hive sump so that doesn’t account for people who do get proper nutrition and medical treatment. It does imply that they’re not particularly different from modern humans though, since they suffer the same effects on their physiology based on environmental factors as we do.

woven sandal
#

I mean, how much did humans change over the last 40k years? Obviously, the more extreme worlds out there would probably force more extreme changes in the human population, but it's not unreasonable to have normal ass humans 40k years in the future.

shadow plover
#

not much but slightly in the past 40k years

storm jungle
#

the situation today does not favour the evolution of a new human species.

#

certified mobility scooter moment

woven sandal
#

Eh, most of it is just the interconnection of humanity on the planet. Speciation typically requires some level of isolation.

storm jungle
#

You really cant tell and guess how evolution works though

#

at the end of the day favourable or not it will evolve

#

its not exactly easy to say what will happen

wind flicker
#

They're afraid of sexy femboy slendermen

storm jungle
#

💀

wind flicker
#

And theyre right to be afraid

#

💦

storm jungle
woven sandal
#

Sure, but 40k doesn't need to predict evolution. It just needs to be reasonable enough to not totally break your suspension of disbelief.

storm jungle
#

I mean yeah thats what we are saying

#

at the end of the day GW dont know shit about evolution lul

wind flicker
#

40k through its systems actually necessitates planets with hideously naturally mutated humans

storm jungle
#

That too

#

so yeah in the end its basically "Read up a wiki for 5 minutes and make up some abhuman strain"

sonic pawn
storm jungle
#

tbh I say this but 40k authors can barely do logistics either 💀

woven sandal
#

barely

lul

storm jungle
#

I'm trying to be nice okay

wind flicker
#

Local human population naturally morphs into avians

#

Killed for worshipping tzeentch

#

Tragic

#

Why would the imperium do this

woven sandal
#

They probably wouldn't. Doesn't the imperium still have birds?

storm jungle
#

Yes.

#

lots

shadow plover
#

sometimes mechanical

storm jungle
wind flicker
#

Can you pm me the full for that dil

storm jungle
#

Full?

#

oh

#

1 sec

barren tapir
wind flicker
#

Blessed

serene jungle
shadow plover
#

As a society, maybe

vapid tiger
storm jungle
#

oshit watch out

alpine ingot
plush mason
#

yes

vast frigate
#

good

#

more reinforcement that the world eaters dont ''not use guns because its not khornate''

#

GW slowly disproving the dumb memes

plush mason
#

khorne cares not how the blood flows only that it does

vast frigate
#

Exactly

#

except people misinterpret it as

#

''melee is the only way''

plush mason
#

yup

#

people see his dislike for mages and psykers as a dislike for ranged combat. its not its that magic and warp powers often dont make people bleed

vapid tiger
#

One of the founders of the bl

spark relic
#

The World Eaters had a Titan Legio that was composed of about 100-150 Warhound scout titans and nothing else

atomic pelican
#

Gigachad Lheorvine

#

Eats daemons to shit them out

spark relic
#

The fact that Lheorvine saved Khayon because he happened to be there and went "fuck it why not" is so perfectly World Eater of him

atomic pelican
#

Every Blood Angel I table is for Lheorvine 💖

spark relic
#

What a legend

atomic pelican
wind flicker
#

So true

spark relic
#

I love characters that have either one singular title everyone knows them by or too many titles to chose

#

Lheorvine Ukris: Firefist

atomic pelican
#

Lheorvine "Dont call me Firefist" Firefist

spark relic
#

On the other side of the spectrum we have Iskandar Khayon: Chaos Sorcerer, the Lord Vigilator of the Black Legion, Warleader of the Kha'Sherhan, Third of the Ezekarion, brother to Ezekyle Abaddon, Khayon the Black, Kingbreaker

#

Pick one already why don't ya?

#

Also funny, there's no actual source on how the title Kingbreaker was earned

#

Just what he did

#

But not when or why or where

#

GIVE US ANSWERS GW

atomic pelican
#

Kingbreaker comes from having defeated Magmus

#

Magnus

wind flicker
#

Magnuts

plush mason
#

aka the guy that did nothing wrong

atomic pelican
#

Khayon is a special boy and defeated Magnus in a psyker fight

plush mason
#

gotta love plot armor

wind flicker
#

Psyker fights are canonically kingdom hearts battles

spark relic
#

Multiple books and short stories say it happened but there's no source that goes deeper into it

#

I would have loved to se that happen but NO

#

We can't have nice things

plush mason
#

if you where magnus would you want that story being widely known?

atomic pelican
#

Yeah Khayon only appears in Talon and Black Legion so he refers to alot of stories that take place in different times

#

Just in passing

#

I would love to see every black crusade fully novelized to see such things

#

Lheorvine in the 7th and such

#

I will say the funniest thing about the 1st is Abaddon escaping the Eye and then immediately BTFOing sigismund who's been preparing his entire life for that fight

spark relic
#

"I have waited a thousand years for this you traitor!"

#

"lol, lmao"

spark relic
#

Crayon the Black

#

A true marine

lyric ember
#

are they chaos or loyalist

#

nevermind found em

plush mason
#

100% loyalist 😛

tender igloo
#

The one chaos lord I remember most well is still Eliphas

plush mason
#

ah Eliphas. the fool that never stays dead

atomic pelican
#

"Vibe check."

spark relic
#

The og vibe check

#

It's so hyper aggressive I love it

alpine ingot
atomic pelican
#

Nah Sigi was still going strong

#

And to his credit, still wounded Abaddon

#

The straightness of his back and the power within his posture surprised me, though the dozens of my dead brothers spread across the deck should have dissuaded me of any illusions that Sigismund would be enfeebled by age.

plush mason
#

the fool should have aimed for his head

atomic pelican
#

Its a rlly cool fight

#

Abby rlly didnt want to kill him

alpine ingot
#

I know Sigi was still strong, hell Dante is 1,500 years old and is still going strong, but I remember that Sigismund was only off a bit from his blow taking out both of Abbadon's hearts or something.

atomic pelican
#

Yeah thats correct

#

He wounded Abaddon as he was torn to shreds by the Talon

plush mason
#

like i said. should have aimed for his head

atomic pelican
#

Its also earlier foreshadowed that Abaddon isnt really a duelist, so his killing of Sigismund is especially interesting

#

That a number of the Ezekarion could outduel Abaddon

plush mason
#

the who?

atomic pelican
#

Namely Telemachon, a EC duelist, who wanted to fight Sigismund himself

#

Founding members of the Black Legion

#

Abaddon's advisors and brothers

plush mason
#

that name is strange

atomic pelican
#

Marine name syndrome

#

Unless you meant Ezekarion, in which case I assume it derives from Ezekyle

plush mason
#

yeah i mean the Ezekarion

plush mason
atomic pelican
#

Ezekyle Abaddon

#

His first name

plush mason
#

ohhhhhh right

#

like wasnt the big 3 of religion wiped out in the age of strife? why are so many references to them in 40k

atomic pelican
#

Sounds cool. Fluffwise though, names tend to kind of just derive from priors even across massive spans of time

plush mason
#

ugh

atomic pelican
#

The Imperium is p much Turbo Catholicism so

#

Aesthetically

plush mason
#

yeah but names are often the first thing to change not the last

storm jungle
#

its just cool

#

dont question it

grand pilot
#

People have forgotten this, but way back when, the qualifications necessary to know whether or not something was appropriate for 40k was "would it look sick as fuck on a metal album cover."

storm jungle
#

^

plush mason
#

LOL

storm jungle
#

same as how Eresus is named after the child of chaos in greek mythology

#

whoops meant Erebus

atomic pelican
#

Sus

grand pilot
#

And names like Ezekiel and Sigismund are cooler than Steve or bob.

storm jungle
#

kinda

#

Ezekiel is a dumb fucking name

#

Sigismund is just your usual germanic one

#

so they just picked what sounded best as said above

plush mason
#

hell i cant even remember who the real world Ezekiel was

storm jungle
#

Ezekiel (; Hebrew: יְחֶזְקֵאל Yəḥezqēʾl [jəħ.ɛzˈqeːl]; in the Septuagint written in Koinē Greek: Ἰεζεκιήλ Iezekiḗl [i.ɛ.zɛ.kiˈel]) is the central protagonist of the Book of Ezekiel in the Hebrew Bible.
In Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, Ezekiel is acknowledged as a Hebrew prophet. In Judaism and Christianity, he is also viewed as the 6th-centu...

plush mason
plush mason
storm jungle
#

Sigismund (variants: Sigmund, Siegmund) is a German proper name, meaning "protection through victory", from Old High German sigu "victory" + munt "hand, protection". Tacitus latinises it Segimundus.

grand pilot
#

Like if you take a picture anywhere in the 40k universe from the right perspective, generally the theory goes that you should end up with a picture that makes you want to listen to a metal album.

plush mason
#

stop

plush mason
grand pilot
#

Yeah, but also everything else.

#

Like, if you were in a record shop and saw an album with a picture of a million dudes using ropes and pulleys to load a building sized missile into a even bigger gun in a cathedral/spaceship.

#

A lot of the weird dumb over the top stuff makes sense when you think of it like that.

alpine ingot
fair ravine
#

the jedi are just psykers

dusk widget
#

"Hey!"
"What?"
"What's your name?"
"Ezekiel!"
"Fuck you, Ezekiel!"

plush mason
#

lol

plush mason
plush mason
#

so how did magnus lose his eye?

signal hill
#

The dumb reason probably beeing that people still are very religious in some parts of the worls

plush mason
prisma lark
#

one of my best friends named his son Ezekiel

#

I've never known him to be super religious, but I have never even met the mother, so...

plush mason
#

i knew someone that claimed they had meet an anti-Semite that had a Hebrew name and said they had no idea their name was Hebrew lol

#

if true its a perfect example of how little people think about where the name comes from when they set about naming their kids lol

plush mason
#

like i said idk if it was true or not. but if so its really funny and i hate i never asked more about it lol

viral haven
#

Amazing

alpine ingot
#

no one said it took intelligence to be racist.

#

funny thing is, most common "white" names have ties to hebrew origins if not in part then in whole.

plush mason
#

yes

fair ravine
#

when did they start using the mk VI space marine helmets more than the mk VIII?

plush mason
#

afaik the mk X the primaris all use uses the maximus helmet

#

as mk X is just everything good about all the older armors in one set

fair ravine
#

shit i meant mk IV

#

dammit

vapid tiger
#

U good

storm jungle
#

Crucify em

#

NOW.

vapid tiger
#

The mark x's helmet is based off the mark iv

fair ravine
#

yeah sorry im basing it off of a diagram on google lol

vapid tiger
#

Which later came back anyway

fair ravine
#

i miss the emperor zurg helmet mouths

vapid tiger
#

chaos marines best marines anyway

fair ravine
#

i really wonder how primaris will affect space marine 2's plot

vapid tiger
#

minimally probably

#

Considering it's literally just "ok u got a lil bigger" lorewise

#

and irl is just an excuse to sell marine players a second army's worth of models

fair ravine
#

well yes

#

tru

#

cant believe titus is considered a manlet now

vapid tiger
#

I mean he's now primaris

fair ravine
#

oh okay i was wondering about that

unique berry
#

What do you guys think about the Dark Angels and they "mission" to find and kill the "fallen angels"do you guys think they are to paranoid i mean they even destroyed a ship from the Black Templars with all of them in it cause they caught one fallen angel

plush mason
#

it just shows how stupid the DA are lol

storm jungle
#

Being paranoid is one of their core features so yes

#

sadly all their books deal about the Fallen since they got no character beyond it

unique berry
#

I mean I understand it to some degree

storm jungle
#

yeah but

#

every

#

book

plush mason
#

who else you gona write a DA book about?

storm jungle
#

Literally anything else

#

thats how half of the 40k Marine books are lul

plush mason
#

like who are the named characters of the DA?

storm jungle
#

a shit ton

unique berry
#

loyalist Chapters got weird writing

storm jungle
#

but im too lazy to look them up

#

since I dont care about marines lmao

plush mason
#

fair

storm jungle
unique berry
shadow plover
#

that's why HH is better with more interesting Space Marine stories Sitgryn

vapid tiger
#

At the cost of most of the novels being dogshit

shadow plover
#

eh, most are above average but there surely are some dogshit ones

vapid tiger
#

EHHHHHHHHH

#

the black books are good tho

final spruce
plush mason
shadow plover
#

it's still better than dogshit

unique berry
vapid tiger
#

I'm not sure if I would call most of them above average

storm jungle
vapid tiger
#

I mean some are

storm jungle
#

and usually defend them in some cases lol

vapid tiger
#

Horus Rising is good

#

And it holds up the rest of the opening trilogy

unique berry
storm jungle
#

🙏

vapid tiger
#

Then you get to Flight of the Eisenstein and I'm like

#

💤

fierce pendant
vapid tiger
#

fulgrim's okay

#

that book's okay

#

The original not whatever tf the primarch series is outside of milking people like valrak

#

not touching that

storm jungle
fierce pendant
#

Whew.

#

For a moment here I was worried you'd be going around favoring kriegs

storm jungle
#

I only defend Krieg when their fans are being brainlets. They are a neat faction ruined by the fanbase.

vapid tiger
#

It's the only explanation!

storm jungle
#

💀

unique berry
#

True

#

Heretic

vapid tiger
#

ADB: writes almost only marines, openly says his favorite 40k marine faction is blood angels

Fans: HE CRITICIZED LOYALISTS THROUGH CHAOS CHARACTER HE MUST BE A CHAOS FANBOY YOU CAN'T TRUST AARON!!!!

cerulean wagon
cerulean wagon
vapid tiger
#

I mean a lot of em are

storm jungle
#

we actually had like

#

3-4 marine stans (that of course got banned) call us chaos fanboys

#

for defending other factions

vapid tiger
#

Although 30k 2.0 seems like it'll attract a lot more well rounded individuals since it's not mostly forgeworld

fierce pendant
storm jungle
#

That too

final spruce
#

😔

unique berry
#

Pre Heresy Armor > 41st Millennuim armor

final spruce
#

Yeah there is a reason people tend to be wary of SM fans here

fierce pendant
#

Or just ppl with SM pfp

vapid tiger
#

But

#

Beakie armor > all other marine armor

#

Look at these chads

#

Bastard on the far left in the second image doesn't even have a boltgun he's got an autogun and he's sticking to it

unique berry
#

I love them

plush mason
#

oddly enough. the helmets those beaked ones are some what inspired by are called pig faced

unique berry
#

Hands down Black Templars are the best successor "chapter" of the Loyalist SM

vapid tiger
#

Nah

bright anvil
#

Love how insane and evil Konrad curze is

storm jungle
# alpine ingot Huh?

We were defending some factions and the guys kept calling us chaos fanboys for no reason lol

#

also then resorted to slurs and got yeeted

alpine ingot
#

I mean... you don't need to have an iq in the double digits to appreciate other factions.

storm jungle
#

You tell that to them

alpine ingot
#

But if you live and breathe only space marines then I guess it is indeed possible to have a negative iq

#

And I hate how often it goes hand in hand someone favorite factions is space marines, they bash pretty much everything else, and the moment they get push back that doesn't agree with them the slurs come out.

atomic pelican
alpine ingot
#

Chaos written right, by that I mean when there is logic and purpose behind their actions is good. Kind of the reason I like Kharn and Ahriman I guess.

vapid tiger
#

SM fan in the darktide discord: "Time for racial slurs"

plush mason
#

like

#

what is even the in universe slur for the eldar?

#

i know they have one for humans

#

surely the humans have one for them

tight sigil
#

Why would they? Most humans don't know eldar exist. The classification of being "xeno" culturally for humans is as bad as it gets, except perhaps being a heretic.

atomic pelican
#

Usually the usual "Xeno [insult]"

storm jungle
#

As Cera said its just xeno

#

any other fantasy elf slur is kinda cringe since it doesnt really fit a sci-fi setting

#

Most you can get is maybe calling psyker eldar "witches" but that insult gets thrown around to any non-imperial psychic anyway

plush mason
#

i see

plush mason
storm jungle
#

Eh thats really default and lazy

plush mason
#

yeah

atomic pelican
#

Technically but I dont think its ever used in 40k

storm jungle
#

Nope, never

#

orks are the ones that have some slang

#

but its just "pointiez" lul

#

marines are also just "beakiez"

atomic pelican
#

The one thing I've seen is Drukhari called "Twisted changelings from the sky" but thats just because most Imperials have no ides what they are

alpine ingot
#

there is no insult the Imperium can hurl at the Eldar that can scar them worst then what they have suffered at Gav Thorpe's hand.

storm jungle
#

Old example of some Ork Slang™️

grand minnow
storm jungle
#

Old Ork Lore Moment™️

grand minnow
#

"It wuz a diffrent toim"

slate gate
#

The Praetorian Guard stuff is a bit suspect.

plush mason
#

what? nah there is nothing sus about 19th century british colonial troops in the far far future

storm jungle
#

wasnt their first boxset fighting against tribal orks or was I dreaming

slate gate
#

Yeah...

plush mason
#

................................

#

subtle. real subtle

grand minnow
#

Is this warhammer fantasy?

alpine ingot
#

about as subtle as a neon sign the size of New Jersey

plush mason
#

yup

vapid tiger
#

Due to their love of hit and run warfare

vapid tiger
grand minnow
#

i know, its a joke

alpine ingot
#

I just want to bring this up, but I love how stupid this piece is with Ferrus fighting Fulgrim with a wrench

atomic pelican
#

Erectin a dispenser

#

BAP!

storm jungle
#

I love how he just has some BBQ pack and looks like a bald nobody

atomic pelican
#

Perfectly fitting to Ferrus

plush mason
plush mason
#

do orks sleep?

real stone
#

I believe so

#

in DoW there's an ork line "Wake up boyz, it's time for fightin!"

#

so, presumably?

coarse tree
#

What did the Horus and the rest of his traitor legions call themselves during that time? Did they proudly call themselves the traitors/heresy or did they have a cool name for themselves

hushed kayak
#

Now here he is, doing the last thing his father wanted. As he planned to betray him

coarse tree
hushed kayak
slender orchid
#

Perty definitely doesn't like being referred to as a traitor

signal hill
#

Well then He shouldn't have become one

cosmic sierra
#

Hello, I am looking for a person with extensive knowledge of the warhammer great crusade and horus heresy eras for a stellaris modding project. Anybody interested please do pm me

vapid tiger
#

The imperium initially called it "the age of darkness" until it became more religious iirc

unique berry
#

What do you guys think about Rylanor Ancient of Rites and his last action on Istavan III its personally one of my favorit stories

storm jungle
#

While the Leagues were unveiled in April this year, they trace their lineage back to the game’s early days, as well as occasionally popping up on the ravaged planet of Necromunda, where their cousins, the Ironhead Squat Prospectors, can be found searching for riches under its irradiated crust.

The first thing you might notice is that they look a little squat compared to many other races in the galaxy. Measuring up at around 4ft (1.4m) on average, Kin are miniscule compared to the warriors of the Adeptus Astartes, but they can pack almost as much of a punch.

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Inside that diminutive frame is the stout heart of a fighter who is afraid of no foe – be they fellow mortals or eldritch horrors. The Kin answer the rallying call to battle whenever, and wherever, they are required.

Armour and Wargear
As we’ve alluded to before, the Kin also happen to be sitting on a closely guarded network of (more-or-less) functioning STCs.

The Leagues may move slowly, but they’re not stuck in a technological rut, unlike some factions we could mention. Their engineers – called Brôkhyrs – command the auto-foundries of each Kinhold from their personal A.N-vyl terminals. But what are they forging?

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We know the Leagues have technology far outclassing much of that of the Imperium, and Void Armour is a prime example of this. While the Power Armour of the Adeptus Astartes is always evolving, and may be considered the peak of Imperial body protection, the Kin’s Void Armour takes personal defence to another level.

Void armour comprises hardened, jointed segments which are hooked into the void suit beneath. It is fashioned from magnaferrite weave, and often reinforced with adamantine and enhanced with microfield generators – providing the ultimate protection for these doughty warriors.

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Culture in general is incredibly important to the Leagues, and much like the requirement for Imperial Knight pilots to honour their ancestors, Kin are also acutely aware that the Ancestors are Always Watching, a phrase which is used as a blessing, battlecry, and warning interchangeably.

The rugged survivalist culture of the Leagues of Votaan has bred a long-lived, hardy, and self-sufficient race. In order to truly honour the Ancestors, every member of a Hold must also endeavour to live a full life, discovering as much as they can and offering their learned experience to the Votann. This thirst for knowledge has led the Kin to launch countless exploratory and prospecting fleets into the wider galaxy – and even fight as mercenaries in other species’ wars!

errant pike
errant pike
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where is it

storm jungle
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Look closely

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its very hidden

errant pike
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i hate you

storm jungle
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DSDFKJS

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ITS LITERALLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE

errant pike
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SHUT

viral haven
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WHY IS AMOGUS HERE

storm jungle
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I DONT KNOW

viral haven
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I can't wait when I am in a retirement home

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And I see one of those red bins that Look like Amogus

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And I just start repeating amogus

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I have a representation of that

fiery wadi
storm jungle
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THESE ARE ALL WHITE

viral haven
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THEY ARE BLACK AND WHITE

cunning wigeon
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banned

storm jungle
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DEATH.

cunning wigeon
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leave

storm jungle
viral haven
storm jungle
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||[insert detroit joke here]||

cerulean wagon
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sounds like Birmingham

shadow plover
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Wonder who will write the first Votann book

vapid tiger
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Dilara obvs

storm jungle
alpine ingot
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Gav. He's handled other xenos books series so well.