Cant believe you actually found a picture of the illusive James Workshop in their natural environment
#40k-lore-chat
smoky mauve
final spruce
Would explain a lot of the current issues ngl
cunning wigeon
most sober gw employee
cunning wigeon
if I had to deal with the wh community every day id certainly not be teetotal
plush mason
yup
cunning wigeon
but at the same time they made my favourite faction unbelievably doodoo by forgetting about them so eh fuck em
prisma lark
which faction would that be?
cunning wigeon
Ossiarch Bonereapers
they gave us a gimmicky alternative to command points which can only be spent on special abilities so whenever there is an update to command abilities we miss out
tawdry wyvern
"aight! Just go a good idea! How about a primaris lieutenant wielding a shovel? You people like it? No? Don't care, do it! I expect the first concept tomorrow!"
storm jungle
poor guy
tawdry wyvern
"Also, make it a warhammer+ goodie, sales told me that thing is booming let's fuel it even more!"
final spruce
"aight! Just go a good idea! How about a primaris lieutenant wielding a shovel? ...
He dies, the end sir ! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/816472132506353678/985953204724449320/ouch.png
cunning wigeon
british people do just use sir all the time and speak like victorians can confirm
tawdry wyvern
karmic gulch
So, probably bit of a hot take but, Khorne Doesn't Hate Pskyers
vast frigate
lmao
karmic gulch
Also if you are dedicated to khorne as a psyker you don't just stand in the back and throw lightning every couple of mins
That is what gets the demons to turn back & kill you aswell as everyone else
serene jungle
Have they divulged yet as to what it was Guillybilly got to see in the throne room?
storm jungle
Kinda
storm jungle
Have they divulged yet as to what it was Guillybilly got to see in the throne ro...
This is all we get
He also speaks with him directly before giving him anime powers to defeat Mortarion in Godblight
serene jungle
Mary Sue moment or?
storm jungle
Absolute mary sue moment
he literally comes back with a powerup after Morty kicks his ass
tender igloo
guy haley IMO not a very good writer
serene jungle
Hey I wouldn't know, I want to give it the benefit of the doubt that they can write something good
And if someone said it was written good I'd be like "oh cool I'll read it"
plush mason
hell wasnt it like those fight in a lot of animes? where the MC is getting their ass beat and the villain wins only for the MC to get back up and kick their ass?
plush mason
lol
plucky moth
Warhammer 40k Z
plush mason
lol true
rose thorn
There aren’t really any books that takes the POV of a daemon is there in either 40K or AOS Huh?
I mean it would be super difficult to have a story in the POV of a daemon. But that’s mainly because GW doesn’t do anything interesting with them in 40K and they are only a plot device
storm jungle
Daemon POV's are usually really brief and like one time in books
the only example i can remember is like in Brutal Kunnin where a bloodletter gets mad over how he cant corrupt orks
because the POV changes back to the main characters
rose thorn
the only example i can remember is like in Brutal Kunnin where a bloodletter get...
Lmao that’s pretty dumb
Also chaos being dunked on 24/7 doesn’t help either
Like god fucking damn it, it’s not even like xenos where they have. A reason to be immune
‘We are the imperial guard we are loyal only to the god emperor nyeh ha ha haaaaa’
grand minnow
Chaos has some fun designs, wish there were more daemons
rose thorn
Me too
Also wish more of the dog shit tier daemons got a buff
Seekers and chariots are trash
Herald of tzeetch is trash
Most Slaanesh HQs are pretty garbage
And khorne HQs too
rose thorn
Chaos has some fun designs, wish there were more daemons
Most of all khorne definitely needs more daemons
atomic pelican
Pretty much all daemons suck currently since theyre like
Basically the oldest codex at this point
Technically it may be Guard, but Guard has probably been the most supported, while not actually new, codex of the ed LMAO
rose thorn
And they are an army in both 40K and AOS so you can’t really change a model too much in one or the other
Like ‘oh yeah thsi model is great at killing so and so I’m AOS but not in 40K’
rose thorn
Pretty much all daemons suck currently since theyre like
Oh wait Slaanesh fucking slays, but Slaanesh also is just the best daemon army out of all the 1 solo god armies
atomic pelican
In AoS?
rose thorn
Slaanesh is actually the worst army in AOS
rose thorn
Being the best daemon faction in 40k is being king amongst paupers
I really just like the flexibility and summoning (and I love 90% of the daemon designs)
Know what chaos needs?
grand minnow
I like the weird horse slaanesh has, but i mostly stick around nurgle guys
rose thorn
More ranged options
rose thorn
I like the weird horse slaanesh has, but i mostly stick around nurgle guys
Oh seekers or Fiends
That reminds me I need to buy some fiends
grand minnow
As far as i know though, thats like their only unique one thats inhuman other than spawn
grand minnow
Yeah
rose thorn
Oh yeah i love them, they are actually pretty good too
Basically if they are within 1” of a model the model can’t fall back
grand minnow
Legit dunno what army id make for daemons, but probably khorne so id have backuo for world eaters
rose thorn
Or you can do all of them like me, disciples of belakor in 40K or legion of the first prince in AOS let you do all 4 armies
At once
40K has a lot more restrictions to it tho
vapid tiger
take belakor and four daemon princes for top chad energy
rose thorn
THE BOYS
grand minnow
40k is more polular near me, also i love belakor even if hes also a piss baby
bright anvil
Slaanesh is actually the worst army in AOS
Damn guess I’m introducing myself to AoS with the worst army
Been working on painting some fiends of slaanesh
bright anvil
Ah
rose thorn
Gimmicks
But if you run an undivided chaos army you won’t relaly ahve any of the issues that Slaanesh has
vapid tiger
What's the sauce
smoky mauve
Looks like one of the eisenhorn books
vapid tiger
Ya
smoky mauve
I wanna say the second or third one?
viral vessel
Yes, that's the explanation for how Blanks work.
tawdry wyvern
So, probably bit of a hot take but, Khorne Doesn't Hate Pskyers
There is a psyker of the blood pact, the blood pact is dedicated to khorne.
Gaunts Ghosts: blood pact
They also do all kinds of ritual stuff with blood
tawdry wyvern
There aren’t really any books that takes the POV of a daemon is there in either ...
There is a pov from a demon possessed blank in Nemesis. But it's rather the psychopath blank speaking, not really the demon
cunning wigeon
Slaanesh is actually the worst army in AOS
they're paying for their sins for that short time where they were really good fast moving death dealers
and when their models are that good it only makes sense they suck
newtons laws and all that
supple plume
arent blanks immune to demon corruption?
shadow plover
Well...
barren tapir
That is why the SoS were the only ones other than the custodes that could walk freely and without escort the imperial palace
shadow plover
there have been cases
a spoiler thing happens in a abnett book where a blank gets possessed
barren tapir
The only thing i can think of it is Dan Abnett take on some blanks, which is simply not lore accurate nor reasonable
shadow plover
if abnett wrote it's gospel
barren tapir
a spoiler thing happens in a abnett book where a blank gets possessed
Yeah. exactly what i thought, where a blank get "burned out" by a psyker, which pretty much mean that a psyker managed to give them a soul... Which simply is not possible
barren tapir
if abnett wrote it's gospel
Eh, as much love Abnett work no, even him can write wrong stuff
tawdry wyvern
arent blanks immune to demon corruption?
It was erebus. He fused a blank and a demon. The result was something like venom or the darkness
wind flicker
Were they hot
tawdry wyvern
In a Graham mcneill book a psyker got rid of his psyker ability to kill a blank. It's all bonkers. Either roll with it or it all becomes really inconsistent and questionable and ruins the fun
tawdry wyvern
Were they hot
He was able to shapeshift, sooo yes and no
dusk widget
Was that the super blank that was looking for a drop of the Big E's blood to omega-blank him?
From that one Officio Assasinorum Horus Heresy book.
final spruce
Its Horus heresy, its not well written, don't bother about it
tawdry wyvern
Was that the super blank that was looking for a drop of the Big E's blood to ome...
yes
was still a fun book imo, reminded me of the 80s to 90s "bring the crew together" montage scenes
sullen bison
hypothetical question i wanted to ask to see what other ppl thought
if darktide were to ever add in an additional faction like vt2 did with beastmen, what faction do you think would be most fitting to see
fierce pendant
hypothetical question i wanted to ask to see what other ppl thought
if darktide ...
sullen bison
https://imgflip.com/i/6jvopm
that seems to be the general consensus !
im not entirely familiar with gsc
what is that
oh wait genestealer cult
oh im still not entirely familiar with what the genestealers even are
fierce pendant
oh im still not entirely familiar with what the genestealers even are
shameless copy&paste from wiki
A Genestealer Cult is a xenos-worshipping secret society made up of and controlled by Tyranid Genestealers that thrives in the dark corners of the Imperial underworld across the galaxy. Secretive, stealthy, and utterly malignant, Genestealer Cults are the cancers growing unseen in the hidden spaces of Mankind's realm.
sullen bison
thank u i appreciate it
fierce pendant
Someone more knowledgable will answer soon prolly, but here's that short tl;dr
fierce pendant
from what I remember they're more or less controlled preparing a planet for tyranids to attack
fierce pendant
so they're like a mutant of sorts. But again might be wrong as I don't remember nor read too much about it ;y
sullen bison
for a species that just wants to eat, they sure have a lot of ways to infiltrate
not as dumb as id like to think they are
languid kiln
will darktide avaiable on GeForce now ?
tiny nova
No you'll have to wait like everyone else
final spruce
for a species that just wants to eat, they sure have a lot of ways to infiltrate
Yeah the nids are controlled by the Hivemind, a very intelligent being
GSC are insidious , they will meld into the population, by using gene tampering and mindcontrol they climb their way of the social ladder, or in some cases rally most of the poor workers behind them and they do a rebellion when the nids come to soften the defenses
vapid tiger
in 40k right-wing conspiracy theories about labor movement are (sometimes) real
except it's aliens behind the scenes instead of uh
anti-semitic stereotypes
final spruce
Which is why the best counter to GSC is having a social plan with global healthcare
Which is also the reason why Tau worlds are way less infected by GSC
vapid tiger
Yes but that would mean that the hive nobles get one less golden sheeted grox sirloin to eat each dinner
How would they be able to possibly survive!?!?!?!?
Simply no room in the budget for PEASANT HEALTHCARE!
acts surprised when genestealer cult infection/nurgle plague cults spread
plush mason
can normal guard psykers get force glaives and the like?
wind flicker
I imagine so
scenic bolt
that stuff's usually purview of the GK
storm jungle
can normal guard psykers get force glaives and the like?
Only custodains and GK get halberds/glaives
plush mason
rip
storm jungle
its mostly for tabletop reasons more than anything lore related
well that and "this is the most iconic weapon of this faction, dont let others use it"
scenic bolt
the one exception being that one deathwatch model inexplicably having a guardian spear
wind flicker
I feel like psyker could build a ramshackle force glaive and not have it be too lore killy
vast frigate
like honestly
if you go to a priest and tell them to lathe the thing into a glaive
no issues there
focussing rods and weapons are unique for whatever you want
storm jungle
Yeah this.
Like I said its just a "posterboy lads use it" thing more than anything lore related. Its not impossible to see someone with one
You cant faction-lock a basic medieval weapon
vast frigate
Exactly
Some poor villager on a backwater medieval planet; makes a glaive
The Imperial Copyright Protection Fleet; Exterminatus.
plush mason
lol
tawdry escarp
I wonder how Khorne feels about menstrual blood
upbeat saddle
Bruh
wind flicker
indifferent, i imagine
hushed kayak
the primarchs technically had a mother. What?
i was watching some lore video and in the comments they just mentioned it and acknowledged that.
Is this true??
smoky mauve
A gene mom I believe it was in the books
smoky mauve
I didn't read all the horus heresy books, but I think it was mentioned in one of the siege of terra books
She was another perpetual and geneticist.
hushed kayak
tawdry escarp
Is Dark Heresy easier or harder to get into than DnD?
smoky mauve
Is Dark Heresy easier or harder to get into than DnD?
The rpg? Honestly i think so. Mechanically at least. Its a d100 system so its basically percentage chances of success
tawdry escarp
My current DnD group has stalled so I was looking for something else and y'all made Dark Heresy sound interesting
smoky mauve
My current DnD group has stalled so I was looking for something else and y'all m...
Its definitely really cool. I haven't played it in years, so it might mean like.... some others need to chime in. I recommend it. That or Only War, which is the imperial guard spinoff of it. Or Deathwatch which is the Marine version, and the uhhh.. Rogue Trader? Which is the well Rogue Trader kinda thing lmao
formal wind
Do you guys think they will have stuff like audio logs and journal entries for collectable lore? It would be cool to have a museum type area in our player hub that you can go back to read them but also integrate them as side quest arcs that have you finding the fate of a lost squad for a high grade armor piece or just a civilian with knowledge of a weapon locked away and how to get it in exchange for finding her family (or what's left of it)
scenic bolt
they had that in vermintide 1, it was missing vermintide 2
remote temple
I won’t complain if there is something like the lord book in Vermintide 1
scenic bolt
yea the lore book in vt1 was kinda fun
scenic bolt
the art system was still kinda fun but not much in the way of utility
seeing as your portraits in vt2 could only get displayed if you were host, aside from the 1 client artpiece, I still preferred the lore book more from vt1
which could still function well seeing as therell be people going into dt fresh to 40k
remote temple
With how the hub is currently pitched to us, I don’t think art will be in the game since we can’t exactly hang them up.
smoky mauve
A bunk really most like lol
remote temple
Yea
noble zodiac
Is Dark Heresy easier or harder to get into than DnD?
Mechanically I think it’s harder. But it has some very cool vibes. Combat is very much like old school DnD. You want to avoid it at all possible unless you know you have the upper hand. And even then a bad roll will kill an experienced player character.
But vibe wise I don’t think anything else is like it. Like you can run a campaign and give everyone secret objectives and one or two players could be (secretly) traitors. Or you know from the outset things will exceed your power levels and you’re unlikely to ever take them on an even footing.
smoky mauve
Mechanically I think it’s harder. But it has some very cool vibes. Combat is ver...
Not sure about the mechanically harder, though leveling up was a bit rough for me haha. I do agree with the rest. Ita definitely a hood time for the right groups
signal hill
My current DnD group has stalled so I was looking for something else and y'all m...
If you look for a 40k rpg and dont want to deal with the traitor stuff or d100
wrath and glory is a nice d6 system with lots of options to build parties
final spruce
I wonder how Khorne feels about menstrual blood
Bruh
final spruce
Is Dark Heresy easier or harder to get into than DnD?
It's harder and amore rule heavy
storm jungle
which book was this?
She literally appears in Mortis and gets killed in the next book Warhawk
plush mason
lol
dusk widget
Saturnine is my favourite Horus Heresy book.
plush mason
what happened to the saturn moon colonies in the heresy and into 40k?
like i know titan was yeeted into the warp to hide it but what about the rest of them?
storm jungle
what happened to the saturn moon colonies in the heresy and into 40k?
Just google the planet names and look them up on lexi
a lot of the solar system planets have like 1-2 sentences of lore
plush mason
lol k
storm jungle
Yeah they didnt bother much for a lot of them
plush mason
not surpised
errant pike
warhawk was so bad
the duel between mortarion and jaghatai that is
the substories and the rest were alright
chris wraight went a little too fanboy
cunning wigeon
As cool as Mortarion is, in no world should someone using a modified farming tool be able to beat an equally competent person using a proper weapon
Or even go toe to toe
cunning wigeon
What would be the best one?
shadow plover
Prolly Saturnine but I need to re-listen to it, for some reason I'm having trouble remembering what happened in it but I remember enjoying it a lot
Mortis was good as well
errant pike
you can't tell me their duel wasn't bs @shadow plover
shadow plover
it was great 😎
shadow plover
mortarion never was a good primarch duelist
cunning wigeon
He uses a farming tool
errant pike
yea but that duel was just ||jaghatai getting his ass beat on purpose then him pulling off bs moves and decapitating him||
cunning wigeon
Not surprising
shadow plover
was it really on purpose
errant pike
felt lazy and uninteresting to me
but to each his own
he did shoot some sick burns at mortarion
not even vulkan can compare
cunning wigeon
I got to know what he said
storm jungle
I got to know what he said
shadow plover
so good
shadow plover
I also really liked the part where Khan ||throws a leviathan dreadnought off the spire||
cunning wigeon
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/qt3zwm/book_excerpt_warhawkjaghatai_kh...
Lol, of course people will think you are weak if you go crawling to some demons for more power
serene jungle
I also really liked the part where Khan ||throws a leviathan dreadnought off the...
he does what now
plush mason
he is khorne's greatest champion for a reason lol
shadow plover
Jaghatai Khan, not Kharn 😁
plush mason
Jaghatai Khan, not Kharn 😁
oh then thats not even remotely shocking. he is a primarch lol
aka a literal demigod
hell his brother angron literally help up a warhound titan's foot to keep it from crushing him and lorgar iirc
and not even the heaviest dready weighs even half that much lol
plush mason
whats wrong with it?
plush mason
like how
errant pike
khan with more plot armour the ultramarines
plush mason
again he is a demigod. that dready was little more than a toy next to him
if anything the dready had the plot armor
errant pike
https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/qt3zwm/book_excerpt_warhawkjaghatai_kh...
.
||he has practically every bone broken in his body and can barely see ||
||yet at the end he pulls off bullshit moves as if none of that mattered then simply collapses||
plush mason
oh i see
spice canopy
hi all, I love Vermintide and am looking forward to Darktide but I know nothing of the lore. can someone link me to a good YouTube vid that's not too long?
cinder sphinx
of darktide or 40k in general?
wind flicker
hi all, I love Vermintide and am looking forward to Darktide but I know nothing ...
luetin did a darktide video
spice canopy
@cinder sphinx 40k
final spruce
Luetin did a lore video but its 1h long sadly
cinder sphinx
Luetin09's video might indeed be the best approach but he has a tendency to be indepth and thus long af
spice canopy
Luetin did a lore video but its 1h long sadly
thats not too bad thanks il give it a watch
spice canopy
thanks guys
frail rune
Question: Can Psykers get visions of chaos gods tempting them ? Given they can accidentally draw power from the warp and bring about horrible things
Trying to learn about the 40K lore before really jumping in Darktide
cerulean wagon
yes they can, rarely do they
a single psyker is but an insect too them, why would they reach out personally
frail rune
i guess in rare cases where the inquisition is lax they try and get psykers from one planet to form a cult under the nose of the imperium, but again i imagine those are rare cases
while waiting for Darktide i played Dawn of War and instantly loved the Imperial Guard
So much so i made a small homebrew regiment who lives on a planet where it constantly rains
atomic pelican
Wales
frail rune
It's always heavy rain accompanied by thunderstorms
But yeah Guardsmens are here to show that even unaltered humanity can still stand a chance against the Xenos, even if it results in mountains of bodies
cerulean wagon
guard are interesting ye, its why im glad Darktide is us playing as a guard penal group effectively
frail rune
I mean sure Space Marines are cool and all but much like the Americans in WW2 they arrive late and hog all the glory
While the Guardsmen were here first holding the lines and dying to thousands of exotic Xenos
supple plume
Yea the Hammer over the Sword
vapid tiger
so do any of y'all think the corpse grinder cults season their meat
wind flicker
Yea
final spruce
Depends what you do, if you make something like a steak tartare, you might wanna add onions, balsamic vinegar, garlic
Don't forget the egg and mustard if you like those
pickles can work too
parsley too
👀
Fanciest corpse starch
orchid gulch
idk what's more disconcerting, the fact that someone asked what the best seasoning for people meat is, or the one who gave an entire list xd
wind flicker
What's the best seasoning for raw people meat
Salt and vinegar probably
wind flicker
idk what's more disconcerting, the fact that someone asked what the best seasoni...
What are you, some kind of vegan?
orchid gulch
hell no
final spruce
You gotta be ready when the end times come
woven sandal
What's the best seasoning for raw people meat
Tony's
plush mason
so the fucker mercer just popped back into my head just now. why would an inquisitor go under cover as a rogue trader?
signal hill
lol, good question
'I am in one of the groups with the most freedom of acting, I disguise as someone from the group with the second most freedom of acting'
plush mason
lol ikr
proper helm
Someone in a big ship shows up on your world. You are a chaos cult leader. Do you go to ground if an Inquisitor shows up or a Rogue Trader?
plush mason
true
and as mercer was ordo xeno i imagine being a rogue trader help him get closer to xenos as well
half cove
I know it's such a longshot
signal hill
Someone in a big ship shows up on your world. You are a chaos cult leader. Do yo...
honestly, either way
rogue traders are usually not exactly open for chaos cults
half cove
But I absolutely fiend for there to be even a single Athonian Tunnel Rat cosmetic for the Veteran
vapid tiger
Someone in a big ship shows up on your world. You are a chaos cult leader. Do yo...
I seduce them
signal hill
that statement is also independently of whos showing up 😛
plush mason
lol
viral haven
Scout, is that you?
cinder sphinx
What's the best seasoning for raw people meat
salt. cumin. maybe some cloves. black pepper after grilling.
abstract zealot
is there a 2-handed version of the power sword?
chrome dragon
You can use a normal powersword with two hands
I dont think there is a power greatsword
abstract zealot
I should have said force sword. I guess the force sword equivalent in Vermintide is the flaming sword and there isn't a 2-handed flaming sword so I would guess there won't be a 2-handed force sword.
abstract zealot
there is hope then
cerulean wagon
any weapon that exists exists in a force and or power version
barren tapir
Force folded chair FTW
crisp orbit
took me a while to find this but its answered most of my questions
specifically-tailored lore video for darktide by Luetin09 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwLoEhgcyzc
why isnt this pinned
barren tapir
It is in the news
lyric ember
Didnt he say he was gonna do an actual lore thing soon?
crisp orbit
i have no idea about WH but this seems like 40 years of WH lore crammed into a 1 hour video for people who have no idea what WH is
lyric ember
Believe it was in the gameplay video
lyric ember
i have no idea about WH but this seems like 40 years of WH lore crammed into a 1...
For newcomers id highly suggest the podcast "adeptus ridiculous"
They're idiots but the concept is one of them knows nothing about 40k and the other is teaching them
storm jungle
Adeptus Ridiculous is just memes and as bricky said they arent a good way to learn pre-existing lore much
lyric ember
Good times
storm jungle
lyric ember
Adeptus Ridiculous is just memes and as bricky said they arent a good way to lea...
It's more of a "hey this is cool" and then you learn more on your own i think
Go find the corresponding luetin video
I hope they get him on the podcast one day
storm jungle
If they can get 2 book writers they can probably get him too
lyric ember
Imagine luetin laughing 
Hell will freeze over before then
Speaking of ad ric, one of their detective videos is live
Or premiering
viral haven
I don't even remember how I learned 40k lore, I think it Involved a lot of the wiki pages
lyric ember
I go in and out of obessive learning states
Ill learn a ton of lore in a week and barely touch 40k for a few days
smoky mauve
I think i started with the lord of rhe rings battle game and then it went from there lol
storm jungle
Gandalf is the best 40k character
lyric ember
Yo actually that'd be a sick (if not overused) pysker appearance
storm jungle
crisp orbit
hmmm does everything happen in M41? i mean whatever people play tabletop, the videogames, are they all happening 'now'?
because it seems like theres a lot of information missing probably intentionally, so how could a game be held at lets say M25 or M31 is stuff is intentionally obfuscated
and as far as i understand, darktide is also happening 'now' at M41
atomic pelican
P much all the modern plot happens in M41, or M40 a bit back
Anything before that is usually background like the Horus Heresy or Legion Wars n such
A game set in M25 or M31 wouldnt be 40k
The Imperium didnt even exist in M25
crisp orbit
so that means all 40k books also hap[pen in M40 or M41 ok that makes things a lot more clear
crisp orbit
whats that
storm jungle
aka before the galaxy was torn in half, so it was pretty much permanently M41
you can tell from the logo change
this is still on the book cover of most 40k books since a lot of stories at the time took place in M41
now with the Rift its all past that period
lyric ember
32k-39k does exist too but it's a bitch to find at times
barren tapir
We are now in m42 bois and gals
storm jungle
Yeeeee
lyric ember
Age of apostasy is good if you like sisters of battle
final spruce
Thats Doomer 40k, I miss a bit boomer 40k
cinder sphinx
there will always be
rose thorn
Hey do the chaos gods have any like, major plans in the 40K universe?
Either working together or separately
Besides Tzeentch
plush mason
afaik no. its just like it was in fantasy
the "grand game" is a big part of the chaos gods in all the settings
rose thorn
Damn, man that kinda bums me out, I’d love for the chaos gods to have a major goal to work for
plush mason
yeah but that isnt their nature
distant parcel
Hey do the chaos gods have any like, major plans in the 40K universe?
do some fucky wucky
rose thorn
I’m not even sure if Slaanesh is still trying to off the eldar race
plush mason
she is kinda
rose thorn
I know in AOS he’s Ctrl alt deleted
distant parcel
have the chaos guys ever considered what they would do if they just won
rose thorn
Probably die out lmao
distant parcel
just start fighting each other?
plush mason
yeah they would just die out
distant parcel
or settle down and start a nice demon family
rose thorn
They are fighting each other
The great game is both in a real realm and warp, khorne is currently winning, but he’s doing that thing that you should never ever do in war
And over extending to a metric shitload amount, and left them at a stagnant
plush mason
I know in AOS he’s Ctrl alt deleted
nah just imprisoned by captain T-pose aka teclis who is forcing them to have their stomach pumped lol
plush mason
isnt his whole shtick about hating the gods and trying to kill/replace them?
rose thorn
As a legion of the first prince and disciples of belakor enjoyer✨ I really wish there was something the chaos gods would work for
rose thorn
isnt his whole shtick about hating the gods and trying to kill/replace them?
Nah, he was the first chaos prince and kinda fucked them over and took all 4’s gifts. And now he is punished by only allowed in the mortal realm to reward exalted mortal followers of chaos
And is super envious
plush mason
oof
regal linden
howdy folks
barren tapir
Howdy
regal linden
could I ask for some input on something I'm working on?
errant pike
shoot
regal linden
so this is an armored cav unit im working on
note, that this is designed to be part of a larger Milltarum formation (the Asclepian Imperial Defence Force)
regal linden
if such a unit would work within lore
also, do you find the diagram understandable?
barren tapir
For what i can see there is nothing that would clash with the lore we have about regiments in the IG
regal linden
thanks 🙂
barren tapir
But the regiment is a tank one or mechanized infantry?
regal linden
as in the Milltraum regiment or this one?
barren tapir
Because it cannot be both unless peculiar lore behind it
barren tapir
as in the Milltraum regiment or this one?
The one you shared the diagram
barren tapir
I see, the american use of the term... It could work, but it would need lore reasons, as normally the regiments of the imperial guard are made to be of a single type and to cooperate between them... Although it is also stated that mechanised infantry ones may sometime have some fighting vehicle too
Yeah, i just need to understand what you were referring too, and when you mentioned it being mixed i got it was the american use of the term
Which is not the universal use, and i was confused a bit, since i'm not american
regal linden
dman, ive made a mistake then, its meant to be more Australian inspired
barren tapir
Hey hey hey, it can still be aussie inspired, just the term "armoured cavalry" is mostly used by americans... And a bit by brits i think... But the term has nothing to do with how they actually act
regal linden
not quite, CSS belongs at a brigade level
final spruce
Akchually there is one way to make it work in 40k with that organisation
Make a PDF and not a guard regiment
regal linden
it kind of already PDF within the context of the world it comes from (the second army group of the Asclepian Imperial Defence Force is a reserve force that fulfils the role of a PDF)
final spruce
Then the normal AM structure doesnt apply, or you can just ignore it
The point of 40k is that the universe is so large anything is possible
regal linden
ok
errant pike
yea it's alright
regal linden
thanks folks
storm jungle
tranquil umbra
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/368066737167400960/988087323113689139/i...
well, they are their dads/generals after all
and the daddy issues must flow
smoky mauve
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/368066737167400960/988087323113689139/i...
Theres the emperor with the hose
And it does nothing
wind flicker
HERE COMES AHRIMAN, WITH THE STEEL CHAIR
formal wind
I know people are saying Nurgle is backing the invasion of Tertium: but with a population of billions, the fact their planet is so old, and the many empty districts I think it's too soon to write off the other chaos gods getting involved. Because the system being located closer to the center of the Imperium I dont see us fighting other races like necrons, tau, or eldar unless we are relocated altogether. Either way excited to see the in game lore for the collapse of the city and the effects it had on the general populace before we arrived.
rose thorn
Have y’all seen the new word bearers rules?
It’s just rerolls for charges and heretic interventions and 5+ against mortal wounds
atomic pelican
Its not reroll charges, its they reroll all hits if they charge
Also their super doctrine makes weapons MW on 6s
Iirc
smoky mauve
I know people are saying Nurgle is backing the invasion of Tertium: but with a p...
Backing the invasion? Nah. I have this feeling that Nurgle was always there.
rose thorn
Its not reroll charges, its they reroll all hits if they charge
Ahhhh
Well idk how to feel about it, it doenst feel as fitting as the old one but the old one is dog shit
formal wind
Imagine the whole city is converted by Nurgle and this turns into a war like the battle for Vraks
barren tapir
Ah, yes, the war that got worse because krieg awful decisions
formal wind
Hey they tried xD
Its kind of a warhammer staple at this point where theres always a few people making the rando tactical decisions that screw up half the battle.
But then somebody comes back to life or a fleet shows up and it evens out lmao
crisp heath
I wonder how quickly players will collectively exterminate the entire hive's population, or if they'll even make a dent. IIRC the population of Tertium was like 90 billion?
wind flicker
Time for #of enemies killed to be properly to scale
Catch me killing 3% of tertium
main sigil
I wonder how quickly players will collectively exterminate the entire hive's pop...
Definitely doable to take a chunk over several years but you'd not get close to the full hive
If you had the same time as vermintide 2 has been out you'd need to kill >60,000,000 each day, every day. If we gave Darktide twice the avg players as vermintide 2 over that period each player would have to kill >6,000 enemies every day for the whole 4 years.
And that's not factoring in avg session time
Which is a fraction of that
Basically, Tertium has bodies to spare
atomic pelican
Ahhhh
Well idk how to feel about it, it doenst feel as fitting as the old one b...
Yeah I expect most the fluffy stuff to be in stratagems. Remember each legion gets 8 unique strats and relics n such, just like loyalist chapters
rose thorn
Yeah I expect most the fluffy stuff to be in stratagems. Remember each legion ge...
fair fair
atomic pelican
Also each Legiom apparently has some unique stratagem interactiom with cultists
Ex) Word Bearers send them into a frenzy, Iron Warriors use them as bodyshields
shell pebble
Question: does 40k's version of Nurgle hate zombies or necromancers? In fantasy he seems to hate them due to them attempting to reverse the cycle of life and death, but in 40k this doesnt seem to be as prevalent.
final spruce
Well, in 40k, the pox infecting poxwalkers, in some instances can even bring back the dead
shell pebble
Yeah but isnt that reversing the cycle or is it continuing the cycle in Nurgle's eyes?
final spruce
Well 40k chaos gods have way less flavour than fantasy ones
Aka they don't have a "good side"
So Nurgle wouldn't give a damn about that, might even like it if it spread pestilence
shell pebble
Damn thats boring
I was always under the assumption that at least a bit of that translated to 40k
shell pebble
Damn
viral vessel
I was always under the assumption that at least a bit of that translated to 40k
To be fair, in 40k there are elements of the Chaos gods that are excesses of what would in moderation be a positive.
shell pebble
And thats fine
viral vessel
It's just what their "good" side could be isn't the same as fantasy Warhammer's.
shell pebble
I just want to see more content in 40k where someone going to Chaos would be, to a certain extent, be somewhat justifiable or even nice
Fair
viral vessel
Well, fundamentally going to Chaos wouldn't be nice no matter which setting since you sell them your soul for it.
That's the same no matter the setting.
But the temptations they offer mortals are typically justifiable within narrow circumstances, you can see why someone who was shortsighted would take up the offer.
shell pebble
Ye ye I just wanna see more of a greyer side to Chaos rather than "They're the biggest evil in the galaxy!!!!!" over and over again
They are not good at all no and keep them that way, but Id like to see some genuine "less evil" moments I guess from them
Like a Khorne worshiping sect that explicitly doesnt kill the sick or weak, but absolutely murder everyone else not in those categories
vapid tiger
grand minnow
There is, but the name escapes me
wind flicker
Wax doesnt have to be beeswax
Its probably paraffin, or made from those meat insects
signal hill
Tallow
abstract zealot
Khornites inadvertently fending off an ork invasion maybe
signal hill
Resin makes sense considering what they have to endure
abstract zealot
The Imperium's end goal is to ascend the emperor into chaos godhood and purging even the warp of Xenos
so they are almost like another faction of chaos
Maybe that is why the 5th chaos god from old 40k was retconned out, since it wanted to kill everything but that is already what the emperor is
viral vessel
ascend the emperor into chaos godhood
abstract zealot
once that happens he will be able to materialize flesh and he will be back on the front line
the more people who worship him and the more psykers he eats the stronger he gets
once he reaches a threshold he becomes a chaos god
I'm thinking that old lore 5th chaos god was the emperor from the future, since time isn't linear in the warp
rose thorn
Well 40k chaos gods have way less flavour than fantasy ones
Sadly this is true, while chaos space marines are amazingly written sometimes, they are just used as ‘mwhahahha evIlLlLll’ antagonists, and in AOS chaos daemons are like, a major threat and basically ‘once the daemons enter this battle it’s basically lost’ in 40K chaos and chaos daemons are just plot devices at best
Since like, every xenos race is completely immune to chaos, and 1/4 space marine chapters specialize in anti chaos bullshit
woven sandal
The unfortunate reality of "our universe is literally way too big to have major players appear in multiple places".
That is also true. But a lot of Chaos/Chaos adjacent stuff from Fantasy just never managed to make the jump to 40k unfortunately, and a lot of stuff that did was gobbled up into the Imperial black hole.
atomic pelican
CSM are written better than loyalists IMO
rose thorn
100%
atomic pelican
Mostly because theyre allowed to have a personality
atomic pelican
Various legionairres who would go to become members of the Ezekarion being catty with eachother in Talon of Horus has been some of my favorite writing so far
rose thorn
Ezekarions? I don’t think I heard of them
atomic pelican
The Ezekarion are the founding members and inner council of the Black Legion
Drawn from various other legions, including the previous Sons of Horus
rose thorn
OahhHh
atomic pelican
They are p much Abaddon's council and aide
rose thorn
There’s also some like, legit amazing legion dynamics, while imperial fists at most are ‘hello son of dorn ‘hello other son of dorn’
There’s the night lords, that are a dying legion, and are viewed as scum from their own Allies
atomic pelican
Yeah its rlly neat. World Eaters for example genuinely struggling against the Nails amd having a personality beyond red man kill
The Daemon Shitting Incident
rose thorn
YEAH they are literally destroying their body and mind because they adore their angrier father
Who was treated as a slave and hates the universe more then it hates him
Word bearers who are so fanatical they have become blind to their own cause. And Lorgar is a character you can be sympathetic for
And the first heretic is one of the best Horus heresy books ever written
Alpha legion may be a meme, but they are always entertaining
Sadly, despite being a chaos daemon fan girl. They just- aren’t- anything ever. They never win. They aren’t ever doing anything important. Hell one of the major god’s primach just has been sulking on his planet because his ego got sucker punched. And the coolest lord for chaos daemons form from fucking AOS
And fantasy*
atomic pelican
Fulgrim is waiting to do anything for 10e when Emperor's Children are the last god-specific CSM to get their own codex
rose thorn
Yeah, but also angron was doing shit before the world eaters codex
He participated in cadia
atomic pelican
Yeah but big activities tend to align with model releases
ALSO EC ditching their chaos allies in big battles is a reoccuring meme LMAO
rose thorn
Lmao True, honestly I’m not sure if I should be excited or dread the EC codex
I really hope it is a lot of unique stuff and not ‘X with noise weapons’
atomic pelican
Well, they get noise marines as a troop option which is pretty hilarious now
And noise marines are now amazing
rose thorn
OH YEHA I have no clue why GW buffed them
EC was pretty strong before
I guess the balance is their upgrade kit causes cancer
And noise marine kits barely fucking fit on the new models
atomic pelican
Also I just saw someone point out that Abaddon has the agent of chaos keyword + his aura buff applies to all chaos core units
Which means he can soup onto like anything
Which is rlly funny
Abaddon on his own backing nothing but chaos knights
rose thorn
Oh like how AOS allegiances has an all army big old model that can go on any army of said allegiance?
atomic pelican
Sort of, but needlessly complex because its 40k
rose thorn
Hehehe
atomic pelican
P much it means he doesnt break rules that say you need all of 1 keyword for armyrules
rose thorn
Oh nice
atomic pelican
And since his aura is <Chaos><Core>, it applies to alot of stuff from every chaos subfaction. As opposed to being <Traitoris Astartes> which is just CSM
So he buffs daemons too
rose thorn
I honestly hate abbadon as a character but I can just gut him and say he’s a different character but use his rules
rose thorn
So he buffs daemons too
WHAT
atomic pelican
Yeee
Since daemons carry Chaos Core keywords
Or well, the core ones do
Or actually
rose thorn
‘Move aside belakor’
atomic pelican
They dont actually carry the CORE keyword since theyre so old LMAO
Core is mainly a 9e thing
atomic pelican
So he will, when they actually get updated
rose thorn
What exactly does the core keyword do anyhow?
atomic pelican
P much its just a way GW uses in rules to only let auras/buffs apply to certain units
CORE units tend to be well, center pieces to the army
rose thorn
Ohh
atomic pelican
Usually every troop option has core + some others
rose thorn
Tbh that would be pretty busted on horrors
Because horrors are busted
atomic pelican
The simplest example is like, the generic reroll 1s to hit aura, which usually only applies to core(like Abaddon's aura)
real stone
Word bearers who are so fanatical they have become blind to their own cause. And...
Lorgar is a fool
rose thorn
Word bearers do not deserve the bullying of Reddit
real stone
They gave into their hedonistic delights and may've cost the heresy itself
rose thorn
They wanted the truth
real stone
if they'd actually held their ground and hadn't gorged themselves on the civilians around the imperial palace then there may've been a different outcome
rose thorn
That’s their entire mission, and they found a truth under the emperors mountains of lies
atomic pelican
I honestly hate abbadon as a character but I can just gut him and say he’s a dif...
Abaddon + the Black Legion by extension have become my fave. Mostly due to the uniqueness of dismissing the failures of the past and rejecting Primarch worship
Also Abaddon owning his dad clone is great
I also like that hes not a primarch
And the Black Legion is a primarchless one
rose thorn
Okay completely fair
atomic pelican
Also it severely tilts ppl when you remind them that the Imperium wouldve gotten fucked several times over if not for outright plot armor. Esp in the latest Black Crusade
By abaddon
real stone
True
atomic pelican
Hes also like, actually organized and has a set goal
rose thorn
if they'd actually held their ground and hadn't gorged themselves on the civilia...
During the siege of terra? Lmao over half of the traitors were doing that
real stone
But doesn't all good writing depend on mountains of plot armor pure sarcasm
atomic pelican
I think See may be confusing the WB with EC during the Siege?
real stone
oh fuck I am
atomic pelican
Since EC were the ones indulging
rose thorn
Hes also like, actually organized and has a set goal
;~; word bearers could have a - a goal- but they are too busy being 2 dimensional villains for an ultra marine book
Word bearers are at least organized
They have a structure similar to the codex astarties
atomic pelican
Yeah see thats the good part about Black Legion. Actually respected by writing + draws from several Legions so you get rep from basically every legion's culture
The Ezekarion itself has members from p much every Legion I believe
Including Dark Mechanicum
Sargon Eredesh is the WB rep
real stone
Yeah, the talon of horus got me to actually enjoy the black legion, it's pretty good
atomic pelican
Yesss
rose thorn
Yeah looks like they are missing alpha legion and night lords
rose thorn
Oh yeah no fucking clue what the fallen even are besides just dark angels
I didn’t even know cypher was a specific character
atomic pelican
Cypher losing the imperium keywords so he cant be ran in imperial armies
Chaos keeps winning
rose thorn
Lmao
rose thorn
Idk why, but I can’t pick a chaos legion for my space marines. I haven’t really settled on yet.
atomic pelican
Might as well do EC. You will have a army rdy for their full codex when it happrnd
+its Pink
rose thorn
TRUE it’s pink
But also, noise marine sprue
Meh fuck it there’s third party bits for a reason
real stone
But muh GW tournaments
rose thorn
That’s why my daemons are for silly, I’m also working on my pure daemons army that’s actually going really well
Just need horrors (aka 90 dollars) fiends, and belakor
Holy shit I hope horrors get reworked
I love them and they are so busted
atomic pelican
If I can make any suggestion
rose thorn
I love all daemons lmao
atomic pelican
You will know no greater pain than painting 20 blues and 20 brimstones for every 10 pinks
For Split and Split again
I only have 10 Pinks in my Disciples for that reason
atomic pelican
Yeah, but I would really bet on Splitting changing when Chaos Daemons 9e comes out too
With splits
For 10 pinks you need 50 models
P much
rose thorn
It’s so fucking stupid lmao,
real stone
That's insane
rose thorn
Literally makes plague bearers useless in comparison
atomic pelican
Its not too bad pricewise because blues come in boxes of 10 and come with 10 brims
But it is very tedious to paint
real stone
You don't say
atomic pelican
Awhile ago in AoS, Pinks were mega meta and ppl would paint like 200+ total horrors
rose thorn
I honestly hope they nerf pink horrors box and unit size down to 5
atomic pelican
They arent rlly that strong in 40k doe
Because 40k hates daemon fun, split costs reinforcement points
Probably will change
rose thorn
OH YEAH I FORHOT THATS A RHING
atomic pelican
Though they are good in crusade/noncrusade narrative
Since splitting is free there
rose thorn
Though they are good in crusade/noncrusade narrative
Aka the only way you should play
rose thorn
I heard it’s a shit load of fun
rose thorn
And I think it has the old R6S ideology
If everyone is over powered it’s all balanced
atomic pelican
Prettt much
rose thorn
I can’t wait for daemons to get new rules
Hopefully they get a chaos knights treatment
smoky mauve
I really wish GW leaned more into the skitarii fron titanicus... those things were terrifying. Like cyberneric avian raptors hunting their prey while performing complex tactical analysis... the minis we could have gotten...
rose thorn
God.. the fucking dread mechanic for chaos knights is so fucking cool
3 ds
What ever it’s called
real stone
God.. the fucking dread mechanic for chaos knights is so fucking cool
I'm a massive nerd, and I'm in a 40K Arma unit. We occasionally go up against a warhound, and whenever the horn sounds we get a fear affect that makes shooting damn near impossible.
It's legitimately terrifying, because you know what's coming
It's a massive laser or a small sun going to oneshot you
rose thorn
The idea that chaos knights are such beings of so much warp energies that warp storms soon follow and the soldiers, armies, and , battle fields it self begins melting down into sheer chaos
rose thorn
I'm a massive nerd, and I'm in a 40K Arma unit. We occasionally go up against a ...
That sound so fucking perfect
Shame I hate chaos knights color schemes
Like, I hate all of them
90% of the time they just look fucking goofy
real stone
"Know what! I'll make my own chaos knight! With Blackjack, and hookers. Know what! Forget the chaos knight!" -An emperors children astartes probably
rose thorn
Or obscene amounts of red/off egg shell color
I think it’s like, mimicking color schemes of normal knights
Like the official color schemes I mean
Idk why is it Just me or does he look more like a mild annoyance then you know
Harbingers of basically a planet wide apocalypse
Am I just the picky one?
real stone
To tell you the truth, I think that GW has no idea how big anything in their universe is.
Not least of all, knights
shadow plover
I think House Lucaris' colours are nice
and I mean knight sizes are pretty set in stone
unlike titans
rose thorn
I remember this guy made some sick ass looking chaos knights, that looked like they were less giant robots and more of containers for captured souls and shit.
woven sandal
Yeah. Knight sizes seem pretty consistent. Titan sizes are all over the place, but Knights are more like bipedal single man tanks than Harbingers of doom.
storm jungle
Yeah. Knight sizes seem pretty consistent. Titan sizes are all over the place, b...
Its really not
your average Knight size is mostly as big as a telephone pole
which doesnt sound intimidating at first until you go outside and look at how tall a telephole pole is
woven sandal
Reading a bit more, it's obviously quite a bit more capable than a typical tank, but it is also very obviously not something that is intended to be anywhere near "drop this on a planet and it will conquer it" like some of the larger titans are.
storm jungle
Yeah knights arent that OP
they are mostly great assets for fighting alongside other battle units
cunning wigeon
Reading a bit more, it's obviously quite a bit more capable than a typical tank,...
tbf there are a lot of factions that have some method to stop a titan, it would only really be effective at soloing a planet if it was dealing with some shit eating feudal world
woven sandal
Yeah, 9-10m is about where the scale for knights seems to be. They're about 3x taller than a standard dreadnought.
storm jungle
Yeeee
storm jungle
The Imperium's end goal is to ascend the emperor into chaos godhood and purging ...
The Imperium has no end goal. Their entire plot purpose is to fight against the dying of the light since they are killing their own future by sacrificing the present. The most expected outcome is for the Imperium to eventually shatter into billions of small space kingdoms and become basically a free-for-all. Nobody in the Imperium minus some Inquisitors believe that Big E can even ascend to godhood and already consider him one
storm jungle
Maybe that is why the 5th chaos god from old 40k was retconned out, since it wan...
Malal wasnt retconned, just had a name change due to copyright reasons with the guy who made him
cunning wigeon
yeah theyre malice now right?
storm jungle
Yeee
cunning wigeon
ahh yes
storm jungle
Malice is its name now and he has like 1 warband i think?
they are mostly a wink at the readers but do exist
wind flicker
How tf u copyright the hebrew name for a demon
woven sandal
tbf there are a lot of factions that have some method to stop a titan, it would ...
I agree, although I think that in the lore, the idea is that if an Earth Equivalent planet with no nukes got a larger Titan like an Imperator dropped on it the Titan would basically win.
cunning wigeon
tbf a minor chaos entity whose whole purpose is to feed off the chaos gods hatred for each other is a neat idea
storm jungle
Also no tbh
the only thing an Imperator has is size and guns
orbital bombard that thing and it has no chance
theres a reason titans get smaller lads as escorts
cunning wigeon
I agree, although I think that in the lore, the idea is that if an Earth Equival...
like they wouldnt win in a fight with it sure, but like a genestealer cult could just undermine the crust beneath it and get it trapped in the mantle
shadow plover
lord of skulls?
woven sandal
Sounds like Eldar Bullshit.
wind flicker
Psi titan?
storm jungle
Yeah those
woven sandal
TBF, it still sounds like Eldar Bullshit.
storm jungle
well its not
woven sandal
It isn't, but it sure as fuck sounds like it.
cunning wigeon
theres a reason titans get smaller lads as escorts
escorts...body shields...same thing
storm jungle
💀
wind flicker
Id like to see more of 40ks magic system get explored without going
cunning wigeon
somethings got to block the stormsurge volley before the imperium realises the titans are overhyped
wind flicker
Mfers heat their coffee and people freak out about the warp
storm jungle
Yeah like
Imperial titans sound cool at first but only work in a fictional perspective
the moment you apply any real military tactic into defeating them they just fall apart
literally
woven sandal
As is the case with all Mecha.
wind flicker
If their armor was strong enough to require emplaced artillery to take out, but even tben
storm jungle
cunning wigeon
in Fantasy it made sense that magic users had to constantly resist chaos because thats where the winds of magic came from, but in 40k to my knowledge the warp isnt entirely chaos dominated right?
storm jungle
Kind of
chaos dominates a large part but
theres still random demons
that might just want to get you for a ride
and arent affiliated with any god
wind flicker
"demons"
cunning wigeon
amongst non chaos warp entities
storm jungle
Yeah non-chaos entities exist
woven sandal
I wish unaligned warp entities would get a bit more attention.
storm jungle
Same
woven sandal
Not everything needs to be chaos.
wind flicker
Bring back enuncia as plot development
woven sandal
I understand why chaos gets all the attention, but still.
storm jungle
Bring back enuncia as plot development
Its still a thing
is mentioned when Big E destroys the Tower of Babel
cunning wigeon
As is the case with all Mecha.
tbf the stormsurge being a semi-mobile heavy weapons platform that uses aircraft for mobility makes some sense
storm jungle
Yeha tau and ork mechs are a lot more plausible
shadow plover
lots of abnett stuff has enuncia here and there
storm jungle
also yeah abnett has a fetish for perpetuals and memenuncia
then again hes a comic book guy so
wind flicker
40k has like
woven sandal
tbf the stormsurge being a semi-mobile heavy weapons platform that uses aircraft...
Why not put the big gun on a tank though?
storm jungle
Why not put the big gun on a tank though?
because toy game
and metal gears are cooler
shadow plover
gotta disagree there
woven sandal
That is the perpetual question haunting all Mech designs when looked at from a practical perspective. It is more practical to put the big gun on a tank.
storm jungle
cunning wigeon
well that and the sheer amount of weaponry would need space to store targeting systems
shadow plover
metal gear more like wonky doggo boxes
storm jungle
turn off my lore inhibitors
woven sandal
well that and the sheer amount of weaponry would need space to store targeting s...
You are 100% losing more space from having it be bipedal than you gain.
shadow plover
aren't the Cain books pre-indomitus
storm jungle
yeah they are
wind flicker
I was gonna post a picture of sidonias weapons platforms
shadow plover
so no Cain cameos
cunning wigeon
plus in terms of forming a gunline, stormsurges would take up less space than a line of tanks no?
storm jungle
Cain is said to have "retired" atm
wind flicker
But the gifs are all fanservice
woven sandal
Even ignoring the whole "mecha don't actually need engines" thing that most mechs fall into.
wind flicker
Techpriests can live forever sooo
woven sandal
plus in terms of forming a gunline, stormsurges would take up less space than a ...
Probably not.
shadow plover
where abouts in the galaxy cain novels take place
cunning wigeon
why not? being bipedal would mean they take up less floor space
woven sandal
why not? being bipedal would mean they take up less floor space
But you wouldn't really care about that when you're forming a gunline. They're just about as wide as tanks.
cunning wigeon
none of us know weapon functionality
thats why im ignoring that element, im just saying unless you have people standing on your tank you can actually have foot soldiers occupying the same amount of room as the stormsurge underneath it
wind flicker
Well the tau mech has an everything proof shield so
woven sandal
God, imagine the concussion from standing under those Railguns.
shadow plover
I'd imagine it wouldn't be much because it's a railgun
woven sandal
storm jungle
💀
cunning wigeon
God, imagine the concussion from standing under those Railguns.
arent there multiple earth caste engineers in the suit?
woven sandal
You'd be wrong.
cunning wigeon
there is either really good sound proofing on tau helmets or that isnt really an issue
woven sandal
In the suit and on the floor under the suit are two different things.
cunning wigeon
yeah, the ones in the suit would feel the sound more lol
shadow plover
https://www.military.com/video/guns/naval-guns/us-navys-mach-10-railgun-test/260...
well it's certainly less than a normal cannon of that size
woven sandal
That's not really true. There's probably 50-100 tons of metal between you and those guns.
cunning wigeon
idk, looks like you are only a metre or so beneath the main gun
plus doesnt sound travel easier through metal than air?
iirc its like 16 times faster speed wise
woven sandal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC2ePKRvo9k Listen to how quiet this is inside the tank compared to outside.
wind flicker
lasguns only have recoil because (8 minute case study in dunning kruger)
woven sandal
dont compare IRL to sci-fi 💀
You aren't wrong, but also, I want to argue about things.
plush mason
thats just how guns work. the vast majority of their sound comes out of the muzzle as thats where the vast majority of the explosion is directed to go
shadow plover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC2ePKRvo9k Listen to how quiet this is inside t...
the video is also pretty misleading, the mic doesn't pick up the sound at all. You'd have pretty bad headache if you weren't wearing ear protection inside a tank when firing
barren tapir
lasguns only have recoil because (8 minute case study in dunning kruger)
Because the writers are so lazy to google the answer
shadow plover
also the way armaments work, most of the energy is expelled outwards towards the muzzle so of course the biggest sound is at that point
plush mason
thats what i said lol
shadow plover
oh missed that message
woven sandal
I've always loved the Elf Population idea. The Population of Elves in Warhammer is always exactly as many as the plot demands.
errant pike
again with the las guns
errant pike
I've always loved the Elf Population idea. The Population of Elves in Warhammer ...
the numbers are enough to make a good plot
if plot demands few x then thag's how it is, otherwise it's thousand upon thousand
cunning wigeon
tbf if your race can procreate similarly to humans but still live incredibly long, its not unreasonable to think that on Ulthuan, which was essentially a paradise, they could have a large population
barren tapir
Also, another example of how much awful writers can be when writing weapons is with the vanquisher cannon imo
storm jungle
I've always loved the Elf Population idea. The Population of Elves in Warhammer ...
I mean yeah its kind of needed
its the same as how the Imperium hasnt been wiped out yet
or why the necrons havent fully awakened
cunning wigeon
or the main nid fleets havent shown up
woven sandal
I mean yeah its kind of needed
I just love the bluntness of the explanation.
storm jungle
Alas its how it is with fiction
Eldar arent a dying race when they got infinite numbers
cunning wigeon
so long as something is within the bounds of "eh I can see it" i dont think fantasy needs much more explanation
storm jungle
Yeah pretty much
cunning wigeon
it isnt supposed to be realistic because otherwise it wouldnt be called fantasy
storm jungle
An elven race being in decline thing literally only exists since everyone copies tolkien
if he never made that a plot point in the LOTR it would never exist
which is pretty funny
cunning wigeon
tbf dont think the high elves or dark elves really struggled with that did they?
woven sandal
Also, another example of how much awful writers can be when writing weapons is w...
So what specifically about the Vanquisher cannon is awful?
storm jungle
Nah
their population thing is never really said
aside from like alwayus a passing line
"we dont have as many numbers anymore"
next chapter: gathers an entire warhost
cunning wigeon
I know the wood elves did a bit in fantasy but not really decline just that they made sure to only have kids if the forest could support them
cunning wigeon
"we dont have as many numbers anymore"
yeah which is a fair comment seeing as the literally owned the planet at one point
scenic bolt
basically everyone in warhammer had precisely enough for the plot at hand
barren tapir
So what specifically about the Vanquisher cannon is awful?
cannons achieve superior shell velocity, and consequently accuracy, through the use of a smaller-calibre shell without rifling.
cunning wigeon
thats like me as a brit saying "alas we dont have the manpower any more"
shadow plover
So what specifically about the Vanquisher cannon is awful?
my guess is that a cannon of that size wouldn't be viable for a turret that small. The breach alone should be almost the size of the turret
barren tapir
> cannons achieve superior shell velocity, and consequently accuracy, through th...
Gryphonne IV guns meanwhile generate their shell velocity through the immense length of their barrels.
cunning wigeon
its not as if britain cant still throw hands, just not to the same extent we once could
i imagine thats how the high elves look at it anyway
hoary ingot
You dont need hands when you got nuclear weapons
storm jungle
not our point lmao
woven sandal
TBF, both of those are kinda sorta how we get superior shell velocity in real guns.
cunning wigeon
thats a good example yeah
especially good example with all the british elven colonies all over the world
storm jungle
Yeee
woven sandal
I assume BL writers aren't nearly as big a set of nerds as we are.
storm jungle
I mean WHOOPS
plush mason
the british empire once ruled a full quarter of the entire world so yeah i say the high elves where a bit of an homage to that
cunning wigeon
wow this naval super power once conquered the planet but now are content to live on their island
storm jungle
especially good example with all the ~~british~~ elven colonies all over the wor...
though at least with the elves and the dwarves when they made colonies they were literally no other races, and they just... settled without any issues
compared to uh
you know
storm jungle
barren tapir
TBF, both of those are kinda sorta how we get superior shell velocity in real gu...
Yes, but they just went to far... Longer barrel can help increasing shell velocity, but after a certain point is detrimental
cunning wigeon
not so proud history moment
storm jungle
oh well 💀
cunning wigeon
wow this naval super power once conquered the planet but now are content to live...
but then for some reason they made albion its own thing
barren tapir
Also, rifling in general help with stabilization of the projectile, although we could use self stabilizing ammo with non rifled cannons
cunning wigeon
guess it would have been too on the nose for the high elves to be from albion tho tbf
storm jungle
yeah most likely
shadow plover
rifling also slows the projectile
woven sandal
I mean, modern anti-tank ammo is all fired from non-rifled guns because rifling is detrimental due to how Fin stabilized projectiles work.
cunning wigeon
and then you've got the druchi, the high elves that said fuck it and built the society off of the back of wars and slavery
shadow plover
(except ye ol brit tanks)
storm jungle
and then you've got the druchi, the high elves that said fuck it and built the s...
in canada and america no less
cunning wigeon
that left the nice island and went to the big continent in the west
storm jungle
WHOOPSIE
storm jungle
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storm jungle
oh well 💀
woven sandal
Which is pretty clearly the inspiration for the first example.
cunning wigeon
oh well 💀
love the contrast between discussing the memey fantasy lore and the logistics of tanks
cunning wigeon
was about to say why'd they get rid of history and armour but i noticed its still there