40k-lore-chat

[fierce pendant]

there's a guy worried they make darktide for casuals

[wind flicker]

some people on the steam forums should be turned into servitors tbh

[brittle nebula]

Does he have a reason for his worry?

[fierce pendant]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1361210/discussions/0/3416557114752764321/ decide for yourself

[solemn cargo]

these people are ballin

[fierce pendant]

yep

[tawdry escarp]

Why shouldn't games be casual? Isn't that the point of games? To be fun and non stressful?

[fierce pendant]

I mean

I don't even consider vermintide that hardcore lol

[solemn cargo]

wut r u, casul?

[brittle nebula]

Of course it’s going to be different you wanker. It’s 40k! Not Warhammer Fantasy.

[fierce pendant]

It's a fun game

and if more people can access it the better

;y

[cerulean wagon]

wtf is wrong with these people

what are these none issues

[solemn cargo]

And if the game is more focused on completing objectives? GOOD.

[tawdry escarp]

I don't play video games to stress out and feel like work

[fierce pendant]

^

[solemn cargo]

Literally if I wanted to do nothing but shoot shit I'd go play Killing Floor

[fierce pendant]

I'm still trying to figure out how he brought up destiny and compared it to this

[crisp heath]

And i bet people can make private games. problem solved, lol

[tawdry escarp]

Objective are interesting

[mortal lance]

Everyone knows warhammer games are only for hardcore gamers

[tawdry escarp]

They change up the gameplay and make it spicy

Fun spicy

Not pain spicy

[fierce pendant]

I would post two more links, but posting a guy rambling about wanting to see bolters and how bolters are vital to Darktide, or a dude writing half a page of why space marine should be a playable character is unoriginal

[brittle nebula]

Where it says “how was the Chaos Ogryn cut in two by a hammer?” Just kills me. It’s a game! What do you expect for it to make sense?

[crisp heath]

Agreed. It's suppose to be fun

[wind flicker]

every interaction of the lore wasnt cited in the description

[fierce pendant]

funny thing is, in reality it told us that the big enemies can end up dismembered

[wind flicker]

I am literally crying how could games workshop do this

😭

[solemn cargo]

Games porkchop

[tired umbra]

The fact that I can't just run trough the enemy as Cato Sicarious is actually a hate crime by Fatshark

[fierce pendant]

Lore mfs having a mental breakdown when their plasma pistol doesn't one shot ff'd ogryn teammate

[brittle nebula]

Which is always satisfying to disembowel a really annoying boss.

[wind flicker]

NOOOOOOOOO

😭

[fierce pendant]

yesss

what's that gif

[wind flicker]

I should be able to load the game in vr to torture guardsmen to unlock the drukhari skin

[fierce pendant]

of a guy just twitching and writing something into a book

that's how I picture these people

[wind flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/aarya2-arya2-arya-aarya-angry-gif-17933057

[fierce pendant]

not this one

but close enough

[wind flicker]

thats goin in THA BOOK

[fierce pendant]

FUNNY DWARF BOOK MEME

FUNNY

Fucking "going to the book" is on the same level as "Charge ork terminator with shovel as krieg"

[wind flicker]

idk i like the book meme because I like dwarves

[crisp heath]

Let people have fun with dead memes

[fierce pendant]

I do

[wind flicker]

i also dont interact with the warhammer community outside of my partner

[fierce pendant]

I just complain about them

[wind flicker]

and here

[crisp heath]

I also say "Cadia stands" for shit and giggles.

[brittle nebula]

This is the only place I got.

[wind flicker]

cadia shidded before the guard farded

[solemn cargo]

Canadia stands

[fierce pendant]

fuck I spit my water

why did I laugh at that

[wind flicker]

brainworms

[crisp heath]

Cadia stands brother

fuck

[wind flicker]

cadia SNEEDS

[fierce pendant]

my brain is rotting

[brittle nebula]

That’s what this place does.

[crisp heath]

nurgle much?

[fierce pendant]

yes with just a smudge of tzeentch

[crisp heath]

nice

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/khornate-berzerker-warhammer40k-chaos-space-marine-khorne-world-eaters-gif-16748885

Khorne

[wind flicker]

embrace sexy femboys of all factions

[brittle nebula]

No

[solemn cargo]

khron

[wind flicker]

Khorne bloodplay

[crisp heath]

Me and my bud Slasher enjoy a lot of minis and factions. But it is fun to be overly Imperium loyal "in character"
But some people don't get that

Because there are some people

who take it that serious

[fierce pendant]

shame

[solemn cargo]

Don't be that guy

[crisp heath]

"NOOOOOOOOO, how dare YOU like another factioN!!11111"

[wind flicker]

Yeah the larping can be fun and funny

[brittle nebula]

Especially when it’s perfectly timed

[wind flicker]

But theres people who unironically post ||blessed is the mind too small for doubt||

[full nebula]

Larping can be fun as long as the other person is into it, otherwise you look like a bit of a prick

[crisp heath]

god, stop

i know people like that

sadly

[wind flicker]

Shovel book pox webway emprah

[solemn cargo]

Space book says this is bad

[crisp heath]

And the amount. Like one Cadia Stands and shovel meme a day is enough for me.

[brittle nebula]

Burn the book!

[crisp heath]

D:

[wind flicker]

https://c.tenor.com/vUGO2iio1mMAAAAM/the-outpost-the-outpost-series.gif

[solemn cargo]

Yeah there it is

[brittle nebula]

Heresy noises intensifying

[errant yacht]

I just assumed that Ultramarines are the least liked Marines chapters within the guard fandom due to their apparent "boy scout" reputation.

[brittle nebula]

That’s part of it, but yah.

[errant yacht]

But if a Guard stan were isekai'd into being a Space Marine, I guess being in the Marines Malevolent would be their worst nightmare, since that's a loyalist chapter that has a very piss-poor regard for friendly fire that isn't another Space Marine

So imagine them being forced to watch their own battle brothers throw a grenade at a guard squad just cuz it happened to be where a swarm of gaunts were headed to

[crisp heath]

I like me my Smurfs, my Orks, my guard and Tau

[storm jungle]

Guy's QUESTION

Which Stormtrooper™️ is the best based on drip they have in these images

Vote now on your mobile devices

[shadow plover]

4

by a mile

[austere ridge]

4

by a kilometer

[final spruce]

2 because they are ugly bastards and I love em

[austere ridge]

2nd one is a close second though

[shadow plover]

if 2 had the silly mask then he'd might win but alas he doesn't

[storm jungle]

Flew too close to the sun

[shadow plover]

now we're talking

[wind flicker]

4

[tender igloo]

I would say 4 with 3 at a close 2nd for me

[cerulean wagon]

i like number 3, but 4 is a close 2nd

[wind flicker]

they dont look like SS officers so unfortunately I dont think it will appeal to most

[errant yacht]

3 looks the most grounded, I think. IV looks like the kind of people the Inquisition calls if they think they need a small army to kill you

[lyric ember]

2

[tawdry escarp]

2 and 4

[tepid tapir]

mostly 3 but is also good 4

[warped vault]

good old classic 3.

[crisp heath]

3, but 4 close behind

[mortal lance]

3

[rose thorn]

I like 2 and 4

So what’s up with Belakor in 40K?

[alpine ingot]

plotting, scheming, typical shit for someone like Belakor

I know he's tried to get Ahriman sign a deal to pledge his soul to Belakor, only for Ahriman to UNO reverse him. I think he also has something to do with Abaddon's sword.

[wind flicker]

ahriman :)

[rose thorn]

Agreed

[rose thorn]

Wait what about uno reversing him?

[alpine ingot]

Ahriman envoked Belakor's name and forced him to make a deal with him in return he would release Belakor from his control.

[rose thorn]

Ohh

Nice

So belakors doing the 40K chaos special and eating shit?

[alpine ingot]

not all the time. he sometimes dunks on non-chaos forces

I know he's dunked on the Relictors before they got excommunicated by the Imperium

[wind flicker]

new lore just dropped

[viral vessel]

Poorly shopped.

[rose thorn]

Its trans human i think in the OG shop but yea it will still sound liek t rans marines lmao

[wind flicker]

funi typo

[rose thorn]

lmao nice

[shell pebble]

Does anyone know if Ogryns are more resilient to disease than average humans or nah?

[wind flicker]

Id imagine so

[tawdry escarp]

They seem to be more robust in general

[shell pebble]

Thats what Im thinking

Because the Ogryns we see normally dont seem to be touched much by Nurglite diseases all that much

They seem pretty normal

[tawdry escarp]

There are Plague Ogryn

The big bastard at the end of yesterday's trailer is a Plague Ogryn

[shell pebble]

Oh I know that

He's the exception to that observation

But for the others, they seem to be fairly normal

[elfin egret]

In the interview today the dev being interviewed said that female ogryn wouldn't be an option because of lore, but there are 100% female ogryns, I remember one flirting with a guardsman in one book. Are they rare and or not fighters? Seems a bit of a strange reason considering they exist if not

[storm jungle]

Because of lore?

Someone isnt reading books it seems

[viral vessel]

Are you sure they said it was for lore reasons?

[elfin egret]

https://youtu.be/ro1EzYnWtgI?t=252

yep

[viral vessel]

Well that's a shame.

[sleek canyon]

Which book?

[storm jungle]

The ghazghkull book also has one for whats its worth in the inquisitor retinue

||whos also a psyker lol||

[elfin egret]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/t2syg0/are_female_ogryns_real/hyo34i8/
I didnt remember it off the top fo my head so I googled it and found this one as well

[sleek canyon]

Ok, figured it'd be in a Ciaphas Cain novel. ^^

It's weird saying no female ogryns because of lore. From what I understand, Ogryns are abhumans who mutated this way because of the gravity of their planet. But I'm guessing they still have to reproduce. They're not spontaneously spawning there.

I guess they were meaning that in the sense that they're rarely represented in lore and on the tabletop.

[storm jungle]

Yeah its mostly just "we havent ever seen one" more than anything

[elfin egret]

its just a shame, esp with tabletop. Like just slap a different head on a model and boom, female ogryn, yknow? And with how much they were talking about their character customization, I had hope. Lore seems a flimsy reason but hey its done

[storm jungle]

The lore isn't even a reason though since they DO exist

i guess it was just the dev half-assing it

or just wasn't aware but as Le0 says, common sense would indicate that even abhumans need to reproduce lol

[sleek canyon]

Yes, I was expecting to see female Ogryns from the start too but who knows, maybe we can still get them later!

[elfin egret]

Thats true, fatshark tends to be pretty in touch with their community. Many things the community hard asked for got added eventually, especially with cosmetics and classes

[storm jungle]

Yeee we'll see

[alpine ingot]

except Saltzspyre's steam engine that is.

[low tusk]

So meltaguns aren't just big lasguns when you look into it, right?

[final spruce]

Yeah

Lasguns use a simple energy cell that concentrate energy into a lense

A meltagun is hydrogen particules kicked to fusion levels by a small reactor and shot as a ray towards the enemy

One is hot enough to explode an arm, the other hot enough to explode a tank

[storm jungle]

It melta's if you will

🧠

[final spruce]

Humongus brain moment

[low tusk]

Roger roger, ty :3

[final spruce]

No problem, glad I could answer you

My 40k knowledge tends to be approximative, since I don't have the mental resilience to slug through all the bad books that keep changing the bloated lore of 40k.

[noble zodiac]

They’re basically massive arc welders in gun form

Well assuming. They have ‘melta cutters’ which appear to fiction just like irl arc cutters. So it seems to be the same thing scaled up.

[hallow phoenix]

The Lead Designer said in yesterdays Darktide showcase there are "no female Ogryns cause lore", so does that mean Ogryns are created? like test tube babies?

[storm jungle]

They are mutants so no

female ogryns exist in lore

they are just normal humans affected by planetary conditions that the imperium tolerates/uses for military and industrial purposes

[hallow phoenix]

I'm just wondering why we wound not have female ogryns in the hive city

[storm jungle]

Theres no reason really

just less modelling i suppose

either way yeah they exist in lore, guess the dev just got it wrong

[hallow phoenix]

context 4:10

[storm jungle]

I know

but yeah, like i said

they exist so who knows

[final spruce]

They do but got no art or mini representation

no official ones

[storm jungle]

Yeeeeeeeee

[final spruce]

because, well GW isn't tasteful about those things

Looking at the female ogres from Bloodbowl

[storm jungle]

What

those ladies look like absolute queens

how dare you

[meager wing]

I think the biggest deciding factor is that there isn't any official references for female ogryn designs

[storm jungle]

You really dont need any tbh

[meager wing]

You do for the 40k crowd lul

[storm jungle]

no you dont lmao

"Ah yes I need a perfect visual representation for what a woman with gigantism looks like for a toy game"

[meager wing]

regardless i respect their decision not to add in some ugly berthas no one would play because they aren't their model beauties and would be a waste of resources better spent elsewhere

besides memers

[storm jungle]

Memers will meme anything

especially 40k fans

also the ingame models and faces already look ugly as hell so

makes no difference either way

[meager wing]

Yeah well no one really cares when it's a male face

it mimics the average user here

[storm jungle]

🪞

[twin shoal]

wait a second is your icon dilara from that one post about dwarves being designed in a sexest way?

[storm jungle]

YEP

[twin shoal]

and people fixed it

[storm jungle]

just added it to a votann head

[twin shoal]

nice

[storm jungle]

bows

[twin shoal]

oh yea theres that return to mines of moria game they announced

where you play as dwarves

in moria

[storm jungle]

DRG but medieval lets gooo

[twin shoal]

unfortunately its epic games store exclusive

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-death-emoji-thanos-snap-emoji-reaction-gif-22337233

[storm jungle]

[twin shoal]

im honestly sick of exclusive stuff on pc of all places

[storm jungle]

same

[twin shoal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JDB_fU1xno the trailer looks good too

[storm jungle]

Yeee i really liked it too

shame it will probably flop

[twin shoal]

yea

or if it survives comes to steam later

[storm jungle]

agreed

[final spruce]

I just remembered, you're right, we got lady goliaths

[meager wing]

"Quote i made up because i think i'm intelligent"

[wind flicker]

SURVIVAL CRAFTING AND DWARVES?

https://tenor.com/view/sniff-drugs-high-cocaine-gif-11548640

[cerulean wagon]

wat?

[vapid tiger]

It could be related to the fluff for these particular ogryns

It's actually stated in wrath and glory that some ogryns are vat grown to produce them en masse

So it's possible that all the ones on Atoma Prime are vat grown males?

From Ogryn species backgrounds

Cloned: You are a vat-grown replicae, created to serve the Imperium. Your conscious life may have only begun very recently, and you are eager to fulfill your purpose.

[cerulean wagon]

where are u gettin this from?

oh right

[alpine ingot]

Still like how there was a female Ogryn psyker in Thraka's book.

[vapid tiger]

Ya

[rose thorn]

What does a female ogryn look like anyhow?

I can only imagine them as just ogryn with no facial hair and maybe breasts

[tawdry walrus]

they have beards you see 😏

[rose thorn]

Oh sick

I just imagine they look just like regular ogryn

And now what ever the fuck deviant art does

Man an ogryn Psyker tho. That would be super cool on table top

[storm jungle]

An ogryn with more female features really

[rose thorn]

Ye

[storm jungle]

probably something close to this

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah that looks right

And not the snu snu ogryn I saw trying to find some art

[storm jungle]

Yeah its juuuuuuust feminine enough without losing the gigantism look

a lot of other female ogryn art makes them just look like a normal run of the mill resized woman

[rose thorn]

Yeah exactly and I hate it

Also I’ve seen some super fetish stuff too

Hey is there anything stopping sisters from wearing beaky marine helmets or regular space marine helmets?

[storm jungle]

Thats any female in 40k tbh

[storm jungle]

Yes

They are marine gear.

And thats simply it.

That and they'd be a lot more big proportion wise

[rose thorn]

[rose thorn]

Ah, even beaky? I would think since it’s older it would work

[storm jungle]

They are all marine-gear

Sisters get their own helmets

[final spruce]

Sadly 40k was and is still populated by a decent bunch of the players that are weird / old hobbyists and carry all of the boomer geek sterotypes

[rose thorn]

;~;

Yeah

[final spruce]

AoS managed to shake those people away, but 40k can't

[rose thorn]

Those players ruined Slaanesh in general

[storm jungle]

The reaction to Ursula Creed's mini says it all

[rose thorn]

AHAAHAHA OH YEA THAT WAS FUCKING HILARIOUS

[final spruce]

Ursula is great but people will cry about everything

[rose thorn]

I know some people were pissed that nude fetish repenta sisters were gone

Which I’m super glad they are gone

[final spruce]

I was glad it was gone

And then the cosplayers brought it back

😔

[wind flicker]

zealot repentia pls

[storm jungle]

awful

[broken bridge]

HIRE FANS

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[tawdry escarp]

Do you ever wonder how much duct tape the AdMech uses?

[alpine ingot]

the answer to that question is never enough

[tawdry wyvern]

Same amount as wd-40 of course

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[alpine ingot]

the reason things are falling apart and going to shit is for the simple fact that not enough wd-40 and duct tape is being used.

[tawdry wyvern]

Uh dilara, what ruckus did I miss with Ursula creed? Or, is it evenworth talking about it?

[real stone]

There were some good memes

[storm jungle]

Female

Insant screeching

[real stone]

kek

[tawdry wyvern]

So the usual

[storm jungle]

Yep

its mostly concentrated in instagram/facebook

[bright anvil]

Like most advanced tech, wd 40 and duct tape have been lost to the passage of time.

[tawdry wyvern]

Only thing that I really would criticise is, there is too much stuff going on on that mini, like she really needs some genestealer dna with all her stuff. But that's just typical "important characters show their whole inventory like they are karl urban in Thor Ragnarök"

Ah, explains it. Good that I completely left/ignored these social networks

[alpine ingot]

the golden throne would not be in such disrepair if they were still around. Truly 40k is set in the darkest timeline.

Ursula has her hands full so she simply has no room to give a single fuck.

[tawdry wyvern]

Ursula be like

[tranquil umbra]

and not fitting into the ULTIMATE WAIFU body type

[timid solstice]

I was hoping for, like, a Hildryn body type for the female ogryns but eh, we get what we get

[storm jungle]

googles

EXCUSE ME.

WHO'S THIS QUEEN.

[tranquil umbra]

Thicc

[storm jungle]

Time to read as i fall asleep

[timid solstice]

For those wondering, she's from Warframe

Nothing like a woman with an EIGHTEEN PACK OF ABS

[tranquil umbra]

once you start stacking abs you cant stop

[timid solstice]

No joke, when she dropped I just straight up bought her. Best fucking frame if you ask me

[grand minnow]

Warframe has some top teir robot waifus

[plucky moth]

I don't play much any more but

lavos gang

[grand minnow]

I play every few months,

[vast frigate]

but theyre not robots

:))))))

[grand minnow]

Listen

[vast frigate]

what, theyre much worse

[grand minnow]

Yes, they are skin puppets

[vast frigate]

yknow, that moment youre trapped, concious in your own body

covered in body-bending chitin and skin cells

that reshape your very veins to align with the design

oh and some demon space kid controls you from 200.000 miles away

[grand minnow]

Look, they are like organic robots

[vast frigate]

id say cyborgs

cause its tech and organisms

warframes lore is.. unique

[grand minnow]

Hey we dont have many big options for pure robot people to waifu/husbandofy

[vast frigate]

definitely not

thats why i made my own

[alpine ingot]

weren't the early warframes like Umbra made by reformatting humans/orokin's

[wind flicker]

all of them are

but the "normal" ones burned the memories out so its a puppet

[dry epoch]

Warframe’s lore keeps on growing and it’s outstandingly good.

The Angels of the Zariman expansion just added a whole load more to it

[crisp heath]

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

[vast frigate]

Yes

Uhh tldr normal frames are pretty much trapped in their own mind and cant do anyrhing but follow command

But those with the umbra variant of infestation are bound by their strongest memory

They cant strike down orokin due to the inhibitors

[wind flicker]

Warframes lore kinda junky

VOR memes are funny tho

[tawdry wyvern]

Love the lore of warframe. But it makes me ask after watching it: Is Dune maybe influenced by Warframe?

[storm jungle]

PLEASE, STOP

[tawdry wyvern]

Only problem with warframe is the time consuming aspect and the abyss it always drags you down

[storm jungle]

[wind flicker]

Warframes lore is stuck looping about stuff that doesnt matter because they cucked themselves with framing the void

The second they put out their mediocre void writing, they'll lose their momentum

[tawdry wyvern]

I'll try

Still the background with the orokin empire, the zariman 10-0 and such is neat

Also love scavange fest of the smaller factions after it broke down, reminds me a bit of the downfall of Rome and such

And artstyle is just neat

[wind flicker]

I guess ill look it up to be disappointed again

[tawdry wyvern]

That's why taste is luckily a very subjective thing. Or else we would probably all be space marine fans

[wind flicker]

Hah true

As a cosmic horror fan, warframe just feels too pulp for me

Especially with all the retconned lore subverted for the boring foundation

[plush mason]

the only problem with warframe is the horrid progression system

[wind flicker]

And the community, and the damage system, and the exploitative shop

[plush mason]

them too but that doesnt really matter as you cant really get past the first few "quests" in the game lol

the NPE in warframe is horrid

literally worst i have ever seen

[wind flicker]

I cant speak for that cuz im a founder lmao

I hear its dogshit though

[plush mason]

it is

very

[upbeat arch]

Can someone explain “there are no wolves on fenris”?

I still dont get it

[plush mason]

the theory is that the wolves on fenris where once human colonists that turned themselves into wolves to survive the harsh world iirc

[cerulean wagon]

its not wolves its the space marines becoming furries

[storm jungle]

1 sec

[plush mason]

hell arent stormwolves almost as smart as people?

[storm jungle]

WARNING, TEXT DUMP

Throughout the Horus Heresy novels "Prospero Burns" by Dan Abnett and "A Thousand Sons" by Graham McNeill, the phrase, "There are no wolves on Fenris," is mentioned. There are cryptic references by none other than the Thousand Sons Primarch Magnus the Red as to the unique nature of the genetics on the world of Fenris and the Canis Helix sequence of genes within the Space Wolves' gene-seed. It has already been mentioned in various sources of official canon that the Canis Helix is responsible for the peculiar lupine traits possessed by the Astartes of the Space Wolves Chapter. It is also hinted that perhaps the Fenrisian Wolves are actually Astartes whose genetic alteration has spiraled out of control, reshaping them into bestial creatures. This would explain how and why these supposed "wolves" fight alongside the Space Wolves in battle and readily obey their Astartes masters in the heat of battle, perhaps retaining some fragment of their former lives and sense of duty.

But this does not explain how "wolves" have existed on Fenris since before the first Space Marines of the VI Legion came to Fenris. It is generally known that during this earlier age when Mankind colonised the galaxy that humanity possessed advanced genetic engineering technology. For those early settlers that colonised the inhospitable, icy Death World of Fenris, they may have attempted to find a way to adapt themselves to the harsh environments of their new homeworld, splicing their DNA through gene-manipulation with that of Terran wolves that were more suited to the arctic conditions and climatic extremes. One could extrapolate that this would have provided the Fenrisian colonists with a fighting chance at surviving this hellish environment. In some cases this manipulation must have had unforeseen consequences.

Perhaps the first generation of "wolves" came from the original gene-tailored colonists that devolved over time until their genetic alterations stabilised, creating the first Fenrisian Wolves. When the VI Legion arrived much later during the Great Crusade in the late 30th Millennium and began recruiting Astartes from the Fenrisian population, there was the occasional destabilisation of the delicate balance which resulted in the rampant genetic mutations which resulted in a new, more potent genetic line of Fenrisian Wolves. The larger and hardier stock of Thunderwolves may be the possible genetic offshoot of these early Astartes, while the more common Fenrisian Wolf would be a result of the original colonists' gene-enhancements. The interbreeding between the two species would have resulted in the development of the lesser Fenrisian wolfkin, producing a viable breeding population. It has also been hinted throughout the novels that the Wolf Pelts and fetishes worn by the Space Wolves were actually the hides of the descendants of these mutated humans, used as charms to ward of the mutant transformation of themselves.

If all modern Fenrisians are descended from the original colonists who attempted gene-splicing with that of lupines and canines, that would mean that all Fenrisians are in some way part wolf. The process by which a new Space Wolf Astartes is created would awaken these genetic traits that already lie dormant within their bodies, resulting in amber-coloured wolf-like eyes, long canines and an enhanced sense of smell. But when these genetic traits run rampant, the result is accelerated and uncontrollable growth, giving rise to the Curse of the Wulfen -- mirroring what had occurred to the original Fenrisian colonists thousands of years earlier. In the novel "A Thousand Sons" it is mentioned multiple times that when someone fighting a Fenrisian Wolf looks deep into the creature's eyes, in that moment the horrible realisation sinks in that they are facing something almost...human.

[barren tapir]

Gene splicing to survive the cold planet yes, and it is also why the only suitable recruits for space wolves were the fenrisians

[storm jungle]

But the original colonists are so far mutated into animals and have bred thoroughly that I doubt much of that really remains at this point

Lukas the Trickster more or less outright confirms it. When the Dark Eldar invade Fenris the Haemonculus is fascinated by Fenrisian Wolves, commenting how it's crude and blunt genetic modification but similar to the gene modding the Covens work with. One twist of genetic code turns a man into a tall and proud warrior, the other into a near feral beast. He wants to unwind the Canis Helix to make even more monstrous Grotesques.

[plush mason]

true nightmare fuel

[storm jungle]

Furry Moment

[barren tapir]

It is an interesting little hidden thing in the lore

Weirdly enough it is not used as a cliché for the "technology bad" thing

But the hints of the wolves being just extremely mutated humans was present from a lot of time...

[plush mason]

funny enough. space wolves are literally the lest furry thing among the furry things of warhammer lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah people just associated with them a lot since they use the word "wolf" a lot

[plush mason]

that and all the furry memes they make to piss off the space wolf stans lol

[cerulean wagon]

that and the fact they literally have man wolves

[storm jungle]

LOL

YEP

[wind flicker]

Is it bestiality then

[cerulean wagon]

"guys im not a furry i just like the faction of half naked dudes slowly turning into wolves"

[solemn cargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv2rid6LbYw

[plush mason]

take a shot every time he says wolf

[storm jungle]

this isnt a meme

its insane

[plush mason]

like im a space wolf fan myself. but gods do they way over do it with the wolf thing

like doesnt the wiki page on them have the word wolf used over 1k times?

[fierce pendant]

1209

[plush mason]

omfg

[fierce pendant]

and 968 "wolves"

2177 wolves/wolf used alltogether

[plush mason]

so just the word wolf in its plural and and singular forms has more references than entire chapters do lol

[fierce pendant]

yep

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mI_i1TUxms

[shadow plover]

curches

[vast frigate]

I just realized why nobody can figure out what a techpriest's gender is.
They are simply asking the wrong question, Dont ask ''What is your gender'' or ''whats in your pants''

"Dear techpriest, what lays under the hood?''
much more appropriate

[wind flicker]

chaos

[plush mason]

plot twist. the hood is a part of their head and cant be removed

[vast frigate]

queue shoulders popping open like the hood of a car

[plush mason]

so thats why the imperial aquila in 40k has 2 heads

one for terra and one for mars

[storm jungle]

Entirely inconsistent and has a lot of reasons

[plush mason]

lol well i like this version

[storm jungle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/9abijg/why_is_a_twoheaded_bird_one_of_the_imperiums/

Yeah look at this thread for a summary

it has many different reasons for it

Originally the Raptor Imperialis had 1 head during the unification wars

https://64.media.tumblr.com/d997f7eba26afda2192371c98fe82349/tumblr_pgndchQgmO1tdqkuno1_500.png

[plush mason]

LOL they really used the roman imperial eagle?

[storm jungle]

Nah thats just a normal eagle

the current aquila is more roman-esque for the fascist/oppressive imagery of it

[plush mason]

as was the eagle of rome

[storm jungle]

I meant that they dont look similiar head-wise

Its a bit difficult to make an eagle look unique

🦅

[shadow plover]

should've had it look towards the viewer smh

[barren tapir]

TBF the left one is more american inspired than roman

[plush mason]

yeah

[storm jungle]

Again

eagle is an eagle so idk

[storm jungle]

LOL

but yeah either way the double-headed has a lot of inconsistent reasonings behind it

[barren tapir]

And the imperial aquila is less roman and more nazi but eh, whatever, people always go for the easiest answer, rarely for the detailed and correct one

[shadow plover]

I like the "blind to the past looking at the future" allegory

[plush mason]

the roman eagle was a gold eagle iirc. bald eagles dont live in the eastern hemisphere

[storm jungle]

My favorite is this one from rogue trader, which is just so dumb and makes like no sense

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/3/3f/Aquila_RT_Era.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170915050116

you can literally picture 2 guys

being like

"okay how do we stick meanings onto this eagle"

"idk just yolo it"

[shadow plover]

that's awful

[plush mason]

lol yeah

[storm jungle]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Also yeah i agree

its deffo nazi-inspired

[wind flicker]

Left wing destroyed

[storm jungle]

hence the flat top and like

the sharp shapes

while the roman eagle is at least a bit more curvy/gentle looking

but I didnt say that since it makes people mad

[plush mason]

idiot me got confused and thought raptor imperialis was the name of the roman eagle lol

[barren tapir]

Then those people are dumb and ignorant

[barren tapir]

This would deserve the meme "degenerates like you belong to a cross" from FO NV

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-new-vegas-degenerates-degenerates-like-you-belong-on-a-cross-degenerate-gif-21451302

[plush mason]

yes it does lol

btw. if the emperor started out in the Himalayas why was so much of the imperium roman like?

[tawdry wyvern]

Because rule of cool

[storm jungle]

Honestly no reason

^

that

[plush mason]

where the writers at GW just being your typical victorian simps for rome?

[storm jungle]

Nah

[tawdry wyvern]

Also, emps started out in todays Turkey or at least that region

[storm jungle]

40k was made at a really "troublesome" time in the UK with Thatcher still around at the time

the Imperium being roman and all-conquering is absolutely for parody

back in the day they were even worse, its why you see art of space marines just randomly harassing civillians and looking like bloated mutants

[plush mason]

hm that better tbh

[storm jungle]

Yeee

them being roman is a mix of cool factor/parody

[tawdry wyvern]

Good Times. Back when obi wan was a thing

[storm jungle]

yup

but like

its also because fascist imagery/outfits just look cool

why do you think people love the Imperium's aesthetic so much

[plush mason]

like wtf did thatcher do to make all of england hate them?

[storm jungle]

OOF

A LOT

its better if an actual english person explains it

Her political philosophy and economic policies emphasised deregulation (particularly of the financial sector), the privatisation of state-owned companies, and reducing the power and influence of trade unions.

Shortest summary you can get

[tawdry wyvern]

Cut everything that looked somewhat social

[storm jungle]

Yeah like you could say she did some good for the country?

But like... it doesnt really excuse half the shit she did

again i cant speak about it much since im not english

[tawdry wyvern]

Yeah, she helped through the recession, but union rights consumer rights and all that were pretty harsh cut

[plush mason]

so she was the UK's Reagan got it lol

[tawdry wyvern]

Yup

[mortal lance]

We did get a lot of good punk music because of her

[scenic bolt]

literal

[tawdry wyvern]

But without jelly beans

[scenic bolt]

thatcher also gave us this

[shadow plover]

best thing she ever contributed in

[tawdry wyvern]

I really did not understand a single word until the man said something

[mortal lance]

She's also pretty good in this

[real stone]

"I'd put a stake through her heart to make sure she never come back"

Before that I can't understand a thing

[plush mason]

lol

[barren tapir]

Why Pious was a christian even if he fucking knew it was all a lie, and one made probably by the guy which he disagreed with back at the time of the tower of babel??
Because GW suck at lore making and never really cared, nor really realized of the fokken gold mine they were upon

[barren tapir]

Initially SM were mind scrambled convicts btw

[plush mason]

some of them at least

iirc the world eaters where

and the blood angels

[vapid tiger]

The world eaters didn't exist in rt nameless, that is what he speaks of

[vast frigate]

aesthetics

[plush mason]

oh lol. i know literally nothing of the RT days

so i thought he was talking about the pre heresy/heresy era

[tawdry wyvern]

now they get mind scrambling to become convicts

[tender igloo]

we could also talk about when she sent death squads into northern ireland

[wind flicker]

https://youtu.be/0G6RF5ChKYQ

[plush mason]

so a typical english ruler move lol

and tbh i should joke about that as its tragically true :/

[tender igloo]

english rulers do not seem to like the irish very much

[plush mason]

no they do not. and afaik the feeling is mutual for a lot of irish people

[dusk knot]

She helped the economy a lot

Mostly through privatisation and curbing the power of trade unions

[storm jungle]

again

COULD

and theres a reason I said like 3 times that im not the expert on the subject

[dusk knot]

But yeah fuck her

[grand minnow]

Made a list of the primarch i like the most. Tell me how wrong i am

[plush mason]

russ is in the wrong spot. should be a tier

[solemn cargo]

Well he's certainly "in a tier" :V

[grand minnow]

Hey i dont know much about him to be fair

[tender igloo]

i can agree with this tier list for the most part

here's mine

[remote temple]

What about clonegrim? Where would he be?

[grand minnow]

Based, but vulcan a bit low

[alpine ingot]

Khan in S tier, everything is in order

[grand minnow]

Chaded kai khan

[rose thorn]

Khan is an s tier character no matter what

[rose thorn]

In the necron tier list

[remote temple]

Oh rip

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[real stone]

Poor poor perturabo.

[rose thorn]

Man I hope Tryzan trades clonegrim for realgrim so the EC actually have something to fucking do in the lore

Since realgrim has been throwing a hissy fit at his pleasure planet since Rylanor

[tawdry escarp]

No love for Corvus

[rose thorn]

I just imagine when Slaanesh realizes all the other god’s primarchs are coming back he’s all like ‘fulgrim please do something, anything, are you gonna do anything today?’

[rose thorn]

He’s in the same tier as lorgar because Corvus is chasing him

[tawdry escarp]

Isn't Corvus some Warp shadow being now?

[plush mason]

this is a fact

[wind flicker]

true

[grand minnow]

I love democracy

[tawdry escarp]

Lorgar doesn't belong in d tier. Lorgar belongs in the trash

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/shotgun-shocked-deusvult-gif-20969895

you put Russ and Lorgar in the same tier

[marsh grail]

What are the drawing points/ vulnerabilities the chaos gods use to corrupt people? I know khorn is anger, glory and otherwise loving fighting. Tzeench is forbidden knowledge. Slaneesh is anything in excess such as gluttony lust and pride or basically all the deadly sins minus pride and sloth. What does nurgle do? Other than giving relief to those afflicted by diseases how does he gain followers?

Did I miss anything for the other three?

[tawdry escarp]

Nurgle promises immortality

What he doesn't tell is that you'll be a disease ridden mess

But you won't die

He also has this whole family spiel

Where he's benevolent Grandfather Nurgle

[storm jungle]

I'm just gonna post a long dump of a Black Library author's take on it

Khorne: Simplicity. Life is fucking complicated. You've got taxes, tithes, family obligations, complex moral and ethical concerns, and whatever cultural philosophies you have to reconcile on top of the monumental obligations of the Imperial Cult. It's exhausting. Most people in 40k are probably dealing with depression, anxiety, or some combination of trauma disorders. Improving your lot always comes at the expense of others, and there's an ultimate futility to it that can't be escaped. But Khorne can give you the escape from all that, because Khorne only wants one thing. He doesn't have complex dictates, and no voluminous tomes of religious esoterica. The entire, sum total of his dogma is one line. Five words. And that's it. For someone who has struggled to be good, struggled to be relevant, struggled to make sense in a hostile universe that defies all reason and logic, there might be nothing more powerful than the urge to simply give up and let the blessed simplicity of a red haze and an eternity of bloodshed take them.

Slaanesh: Vitality. Slaanesh cultists vary wildly. Some are artists, musicians, or junkies. Some are perverts. Some are even combatants every bit as vicious as the Khornate. But what they have in common is that their chosen vice(s) are what it takes to set their nerves on fire. It's what makes them feel real, makes them feel connected. Slaanesh takes people who feel dead inside and offers to give them the one thing that brings them to life over and over again, and the promise that when that chosen thrill ceases to entice, they'll have an eternity to find newer, ever more esoteric means of vivification.

Nurgle: Joy. Life is depressing, and it is painful. For many, especially the ill, injured, or aging, this is ever more poignant. For those who have experienced grievous personal loss in the past, the present, or see it coming in the near future, Nurgle offers the unique ability to be freed from the pain and anguish of those losses and to instead find joy and satisfaction in them. The ill and injured among his ranks aren't the hollow-eyed addicts of Slaanesh, forever chasing a dragon they can't catch. No, they gain REAL, tangible pleasure from their afflictions. Alone among the Chaos gods, I would be willing to bet that if his followers could magically be granted a clear head, nearly every single one would choose to go back into his service again. If his gifts didn't come with such a horrifically disfiguring set of side effects, I think he'd be the most widely worshipped of the Ruinous Powers.

Tzeentch: Victory. For the incorrigible gambler, nothing compares to the thrill of victory. It's a DEEP human pleasure trigger that very, very few people can resist. Several billion dollar industries are built on it, in fact. And that sensation is what Tzeentch promises. He makes no secret about twisting his followers to ruin on a whim. He offers the most dangerous and unpredictable powers. So why does anyone follow him? Because, like the degenerate gambler, each Tzeentchian cultist believes they are special, they can beat the house at its own game. And every time they divine the future, compel a Warp entity through sorcery, or master some eldritch discipline, they reinforce this belief, and gain a little more arrogance in their own abilities. And when their inevitable luck runs out and they meet some horrific and treacherous end, it reinforces every other Tzeentchian cultist's private belief that they are in fact the ones who are TRULY superior. They aren't like that guy who just got turned into an equivalent mass of leeches, oh no. They're on a hot streak, after all, and you don't stop while you're on a hot streak.

[viral vessel]

Nurgle promises freedom from pain and death.

[storm jungle]

It's in the above post yeah

[tawdry escarp]

Does Nurgle still torture Isha in the heart of his realm?

[wind flicker]

nurgle makes isha watch the thing on repeat

[storm jungle]

He just makes her plague soup

so yes

We barely gotten an update on her situation for years atm

[plush mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/823661595884257340/985703117230342184/v12025gd0000caj14ibc77u90pef2fcg.mp4

[marsh grail]

Ah of course. Immortality. I should have known.

[tawdry escarp]

I don't know if we talk about fanfiction here

[storm jungle]

[tawdry escarp]

That's....a no then?

[storm jungle]

Im joking go ahead lol

[marsh grail]

Wow that’s pretty interesting.

[tawdry escarp]

I read a pretty good one where Isha managed to escape right after Slannesh's apotheosis and took refuge with the Emperor during the Age of Unification

[storm jungle]

OH what was it uh

its from AO3 iirc

[tawdry escarp]

To be clear it is NOT Isha/Emp

[earnest remnant]

The only synopsis there I disagree with is Tzeentch's

[tawdry escarp]

I read it on FF.net

[storm jungle]

Huh

thats a site i havent been to in a long time

[real stone]

Tzeentch is also the pursuit of knowledge

Case in point: The Thousand Sons furious attempts to gain ever more knowledge

Then they got tricked by tzeentch

[earnest remnant]

The galaxy in 40k is dark and depressing and it feels like you can never achieve anything, Tzeentch offers power and change, the chance to make things better than they are, and the chance to escape from the endless mundanity and frustrating ignorance

[tawdry escarp]

Big E tolerates her because she helped him with fixing the Thunder Warriors and his SM template

She also made some super terraforming plants

[storm jungle]

That was a pretty neat plot point

I really need to go back to re-reading it

[storm jungle]

And also turn you into a bird-freak

[wind flicker]

tzeentch is cool but working for them sucks

slaanesh is meta

[earnest remnant]

Tzeentch's themse are Hope, Envy, Change, Magic and Knowledge

[storm jungle]

Its not

Chaos gods have no positive sides

its all glamour

[earnest remnant]

They do, or used to

[storm jungle]

They dont

[tawdry escarp]

It's all lies

[wind flicker]

cool but slaanesh is hot and sassy so

[storm jungle]

its a rumor people made up from a passage in warhammer fantasy

and even then

its a cultist himself saying this shit to troll an empire of man priest

[tawdry escarp]

They are all born of dark emotions and are forever ruled by that fact

[storm jungle]

Yeah Chaos isnt a mysterious eldritch entity as much as BL wants to push them as such

they are evil cartoon villains

[earnest remnant]

That's boring

[storm jungle]

shrug

Thats what they are shown as

[tawdry escarp]

Thems the brakes

[storm jungle]

the books migth make them deep but in the end its what they are

they are slaves to their own nature

[wind flicker]

saturday morning cartoon

we got

violence

puke

nerd

[earnest remnant]

Still, change as a concept is inextricably linked with hoping for better things

[wind flicker]

and seggs

and also edgy rat

[storm jungle]

yeah but

you still turn into a bird demon

so

💀

[wind flicker]

cawwww

tzeentch cultists get turned into those annoying birds in bloodborne

[tawdry escarp]

Tzeentch is the greatest Deceiver of them all.

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/crow-gif-21382599

[plush mason]

is it tho? a lot of people look at change and see only evil and wrongness

[earnest remnant]

If the chaos gods have no positive sides, where the hell do all the positive emotions go in the warp?

[tawdry escarp]

Because he can use truth to tell lies

[storm jungle]

To nothing

thats the point

lmao

All the negative emotions drown it out

[tawdry escarp]

They used to go to the Eldar Gods

[storm jungle]

Nah that was just for the Eldar

but that lore is wonk af so dont touch it

[plush mason]

them they was killed and/or eaten lol

[storm jungle]

rip

[earnest remnant]

Tl;dr warhammer lore is nonsense and only exists to justify miniatures and sell products

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[tawdry escarp]

Except for Khaine, Isha, and Ynnead

[storm jungle]

Khaine is kinda alive

just shattered into millions of parts

[earnest remnant]

Cegorach is also alive

[shell pebble]

What would happen if all the chaos gods were suddenly flooded with positive feelings and vibes in the warp?

[storm jungle]

Probably have positive aspects

[plush mason]

how the actual fuck did they come up with name anyhow?

[storm jungle]

Its made up

and never really said

so like most names

[tawdry escarp]

It sounds celtic

[wind flicker]

the positive emotions go to the sigmarines

in fantasy

[storm jungle]

awful

CEASE

[plush mason]

like wtf where they smoking when they made it up? cause i want some

[earnest remnant]

No

[wind flicker]

yes

[earnest remnant]

No

[storm jungle]

Yes Mr. Cast, this person right here

bonk em

🔨

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/water-spray-stop-sprinkle-water-gif-11895255

[earnest remnant]

Shitcast Lameternals

[tawdry escarp]

How long are you going to be dwarf bait Dilara?

[wind flicker]

sigmarines who hate stinky people

[storm jungle]

forever

[earnest remnant]

Sigmarines ARE stinky

[wind flicker]

drg chat takes a shit whenever girl shows up

[storm jungle]

Also jokes aside, dont hate on AOS please. Its childish.

[plush mason]

you called aos fantasy. thats true heresy

[wind flicker]

I know NOTHING about aos except vt2 is cool and sigmar has to be cool because saltz likes them

:)

[storm jungle]

Sigmar is cool because he has a hammer

[wind flicker]

TRUE

[storm jungle]

also a beard

[wind flicker]

also true

[storm jungle]

also is a Sigma-r male

[earnest remnant]

I know a little about AoS and I really dislike it

[storm jungle]

I also know very little about Alcy

[earnest remnant]

Sugmar

[storm jungle]

and they have given me no reason to hate them

but i dislike them

[plush mason]

i hope that pun hurt to type as it did to read lol

[storm jungle]

makes about as much sense doesnt it

[wind flicker]

😔

[storm jungle]

[earnest remnant]

AoS has given me reason to hate it though

[storm jungle]

let me guess

"they nuked my fantasy"

[earnest remnant]

And I'm allowed to dislike things

[wind flicker]

I just manicpost, please have a slice of arugula pizza as a peazza offering

[earnest remnant]

It's not even that, they tried to turn fantasy into 40k 2

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pizza-catpizza-begcat-catbeg-gif-22351867

[wind flicker]

if you hate me because of the eragon fanfiction discussion, I understand

I hated that too, it happened against my will

[earnest remnant]

The stormcast ranged weapons are literally called bolters

[storm jungle]

BECAUSE THEY LITERALLY THROW BOLTS

[wind flicker]

noooo

theyre stormbolters

[storm jungle]

ITS WHAT A THICKER ARROW IS

[earnest remnant]

THAT'S WHAT A CROSSBOW IS

[storm jungle]

THEY USE CROSSBOWS THO

[earnest remnant]

WE DON'T CALL BOWS ARROWERS DO WE?

[wind flicker]

yes

[storm jungle]

ORKS DO

no wait i think that was "Arrer"

which is cursed af either way

[storm jungle]

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Arrer_Boyz

WHY DO ORKS USE ARCHERS BTW

IT MAKES NO SENSE

[wind flicker]

for fun

[storm jungle]

🏹

[earnest remnant]

Anyway, I dislike AoS because most of the lore doesn't even respect what it's based on, Sigmar has literally nothing to do with Azyr

[storm jungle]

Too bad

it sells

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-looney-tunes-cash-money-counting-money-gif-17544086

[earnest remnant]

Too bad, I still dislike it

[storm jungle]

I dont like AOS either but i dont hate it either

so cope

[earnest remnant]

Again, people are allowed to dislike things

[storm jungle]

They arent here

[plush mason]

cause gobo archers cant be trusted 😛

[storm jungle]

TRUE

[alpine ingot]

Can we all agree on one thing: and that is to dunk on Diablo: Immortals

[storm jungle]

yes

[wind flicker]

stormcast eternals color scheme is nice imo

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Frvn9h4qbr7l41.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D8aab05d35d96ef3ad5ce055af751f5febe0ed274&f=1&nofb=1

royal blue and gold always classic

[plush mason]

you know. i said that as a joke. but its likely not lol

[earnest remnant]

Too bad, it sells :)

[storm jungle]

Unrelated franchise and not a part of the subject

:)

also I dont get salty for diablo like you do with AOS since I literally barely know it even exists

[earnest remnant]

Irrelevant, people are either allowed to criticise things or they are not.

[storm jungle]

They arent

now provide your leg

i gotta break one

[wind flicker]

I cant believe dez is now a legend

[storm jungle]

Dez was the apex legends all along

[earnest remnant]

Also you clearly are a fan of AoS

[storm jungle]

Im really not lmao

[earnest remnant]

A likely story

[storm jungle]

I just like whats its doing but its not the sort of universe I'm into

I just find the salt for it childish

if you dont like it dont throw a fit about it

[earnest remnant]

Disliking things is childish

If you don't like that I don't like it don't throw a fit about it

[storm jungle]

Wasn't referring to that, so you are just making assumptions now. I was talking more towards things like "Shitcast Lameternals"

feel free to parrot the stuff i say though lol

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

But yeah its fine. Not my thing.

[earnest remnant]

Yeah a single unfunny joke to criticise the blandness of fantasy space marines is definitely throwing a fit lmao

[storm jungle]

Right

lmao

[cunning wigeon]

no they arent lol

that is just blatantly incorrect

Thunderhead greatbow, boltstorm pistols, hurricane and longstrike crossbows

not including all the different types of bow

none are referred to as bolters

[cunning wigeon]

yes, he does. Even in fantasy he was heralded by the twin tailed comet - comets being powerful portents of Azyr. The cult of Sigmar, one of the biggest religions in the empire, claim that he became ruler of the heavens when Ulric crowned him.

[earnest remnant]

Sigmar as a character however has no relationships with Azyr, no shit a portent of Azyr would foretell someone becoming important, that's one of the things Azyr is used for, and my bad about the AoS weapons, I didn't really look into it

[cunning wigeon]

He is literally ruler of the heavens

That is Azyr

the lore of the Heavens

it's fine you hate AoS obviously, but they didnt just pull his connection to Azyr out their arse

The empire and cult of Sigmar were always focussed on Azyr

[earnest remnant]

I legitimately can't see it

[frosty tulip]

Hey, considering that the 40k universe and all it's retcons are just supposed to be a case of lost knowledge being re-discovered. What is to say: what if the emperor is just one of these supposed men of gold, but through revisionist history the rest of the stories of him appeared. That would truly atleast for me, explain how dark age of tech humanity was able to make the fuckin ORKS sign non aggression pacts, as it seems hinted at. An army of super humans akin to the emperor in power would be terrifying

Any other thoughts on this?

[vapid tiger]

It's a solid theory

I'm pretty sure adb said that alan bligh himself subscribed to something akin to that theory

[storm jungle]

There never was a "non-aggression pact" with the orks

thats just another fan theory

[dusk knot]

I think they teamed up sometimes

[frosty tulip]

"the threat of aliens was viewed as trivial and eventually non-aggression pacts were signed between Terra, its colonies and many of the alien races." - I suppose I was mistaken in the usage of none agression pact with the orks. but atleast they were a trivial thing.

[storm jungle]

Orks were mostly exterminated or scared into submission yeah

the treaty thing is mostly for like... other sentient/civilised aliens

[vapid tiger]

I'd like to think the Emperor is a man of gold of some sort but at the end of the day we don't know and the writers can't agree over it because it's intentionally left vague

Same with the daot

The LoV are almost definitely the Men of Stone tho

Which makes sense because stone

dwarves

rock and stone

[plush mason]

how can they be men of stone?

wherent they just ai controlled humans?

[vapid tiger]

Being created by the men of gold to help humanity conquer the stars

[vapid tiger]

That's not actually confirmed in canon it's a fan theory

[plush mason]

ah i see

[vapid tiger]

All we know is that the men of gold made the men of stone to help humanity colonize the stars and that the men of stone made the men of iron

The men of stone also made the stcs

and this all lines up pretty well with what we know of the LoV

They have the Votann, which sound like what happens when an STC runs out of memory and is also revered in an almost religious sense by the kin

And the Ironkin, who are pretty much men of iron if they were programmed to want to be helpful

My current theory is that the leagues made the Ironkin and that humanity took that idea and then took out the whole "programmed to want to be helpful" thing in addition to not treating them as equals

[dusk knot]

So you know how there’s imperial worlds at different technological stages

Do you think there’s a world with like 1920s technology

[plush mason]

iirc there are worlds at a literal medieval level so lol

[dusk knot]

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking

[final spruce]

You got worlds for everything

[dusk knot]

Al Capone vs space marines

[plush mason]

lol

[vapid tiger]

There are apparently entire hive worlds that are have industrial revolution levels of tech

[plush mason]

lol

steam trains and all huh?

[vapid tiger]

Ya

[plush mason]

hm. iirc there is 6 "classes" of rogue trader

like is that still canon?

[vapid tiger]

Also the train in the darktide trailer seems to run off steam or coal

[plush mason]

damn your right

also its just steam. coal or wood was just the fuel for the boiler

[vapid tiger]

Right!

[plush mason]

but the smoke from said boiler looks to be black so its coal fueled

[vapid tiger]

Imperial technology tends to be very anachronistic

E.g using candles and torches to light hallways while you wield a factory produced laser gun that has been bathed in holy oils

[plush mason]

i liked the massive train in hired gun lol

[vapid tiger]

Rick Priestley, 40k's daddy, actually gave an example of someone painting light bulbs yellow while using candles to light a room because of superstition revolving around machine spirits

[plush mason]

hell doesnt the mechanicus literally have a special rite just for changing a lightbulb?

the rite of rekindling or something

[tawdry escarp]

They probably have a rite for turning on a switch

[plush mason]

lol

true

[storm jungle]

They also make their chicken-walker runners run on treadmills since they are too afraid of turning them off

🧠

[plush mason]

lol

[tawdry escarp]

Given how spotty 40k tech can be I'm not surprised they started praying for it to work

[plush mason]

^

[vapid tiger]

There's actually a lot of shit in 40k that's kept running because they're afraid to turn them off come to think of it

Dunecrawlers come to mind

[tawdry escarp]

I know I've sent a few to the big man while turning on something after it crashed

[vapid tiger]

Where they continuously feed people in to serve as living batteries because they fear that if one turns off they won't be able to turn it back on

[storm jungle]

^

[storm jungle]

They also catch these things like they are buffalos once their job on the field is done with actual ropes

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120116001_Ballistar01.jpg

note the gimp-co-pilot

[storm jungle]

Dwarf-gekko-but-40k noooo

[vast frigate]

a what

thas just my totally not ai driven Strider Sentinel

[noble zodiac]

You’d be surprised how often this happens irl

[noble zodiac]

Laughs in engineering*

[noble zodiac]

To be fair even if they could turn it back on. Turning it off for just a day would doom billions and cripple Galactic supply chains.

[vapid tiger]

It's a tank

Walker

Walker that serves the role of a tank

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgMbH38FzIU

[storm jungle]

"And the other NPC factions."

[plush mason]

lol

[lyric ember]

Is there any notable character that has a normal name in 40k?

[errant pike]

uuuh

i guess dante?

[plush mason]

Rogal Dorn and Leman Russ for starters

[tawdry escarp]

Titus is a normal name

[errant pike]

lucius

[tawdry escarp]

I had a manager named Titus

[storm jungle]

John ||Grammaticus||

[errant pike]

the man himself

[final spruce]

Amberley Vail

[errant pike]

samus

[tawdry escarp]

Obi wan Sherlock Cluosueu

[errant pike]

ig bjorn counts too

[tawdry escarp]

Felix

[errant pike]

marius gage

[final spruce]

Bjorn is extremely common in the northern countries irc

[errant pike]

alexis polux

luther too

damn there are many common names

never paid heed to it

[tawdry escarp]

Oh the Guard Lieutenant's name is Mira

In Space Marine

[errant pike]

imperial guard usually has normal names

surprising

ultramarines too

cause they're basic bitches

may have triggered some dormiant ultramarines fan

(it's a joke)

[tawdry escarp]

Apparently her full name is Miranda

Miranda Nero

[storm jungle]

wait what

[tawdry escarp]

The Guard Lieutenant from Space Marine

[storm jungle]

oh no I know

i never knew she had a full name before

[errant pike]

yea me neither wth

[tawdry escarp]

That's what the Wiki says

[errant pike]

yea figured as much

was about to ask if you read the wiki lol

[tawdry escarp]

It's where I get most of my info

Wikipedia is a godsend

[errant pike]

true

[tawdry escarp]

It's why I donate to it every year

Because I use it so much

[true heron]

Yo im fairly new to warhammer in general, i have a question, what kind of weapons does the Ogryn have lorewise, that we could expect ingame?

[final spruce]

So we know for a fact that the weapon confirmedbin the game are :
Ogryn tube launcher, the ripper gun, the Uge Knife and the power mace + power buckler combo

[distant parcel]

i think we can expect some heavy ranged weapons such as heavy bolters, auto/assault cannon etc

[final spruce]

Some other things you can expect :

• greatsword
• ogryn gauntlet grenade launcher
  -slab shield
• big machine gun
• autocannon

[distant parcel]

big club

[true heron]

damn thats pretty cool, im hoping for a minigun of sorts, had fun as the outcast engineer with it in vermintide

[final spruce]

The closest to a minigun would be the heavy machine gun since the enemy ogryns already use miniguns

[true heron]

The ripper gun looked kinda underpowered in the gameplay in my opinion, it took 2 point blank shots to kill the normal horde enemy

[distant parcel]

it is a shotgun

i think they used it too much vs single target

[true heron]

exactly, it shouldn't take more than one hit to kill the lowly base enemy

[distant parcel]

🤷‍♂️

[final spruce]

I had the same feeling since even the autogun looked like it had more stopping power

[fierce pendant]

Maybe they'll buff it

maybe they'll ruin it in a balance patch

maybe they'll just add a weapon pack that outshines all other weapons

who knows

[signal hill]

Don't be so negativ

[distant parcel]

i think its far too early to guage any power level of weapons yet

we have no idea what rarity, properties, talents, buffs etc etc

[storm jungle]

@cunning wigeon might explain it better than I can for @tawdry wyvern

Its the whole reforging process costing a stormcast a part of their soul bit 👀

[tawdry wyvern]

thanks, lets see if another lore master explains it for me

[granite gull]

do people in 40k drink?

like alcohol not in general

[tawdry wyvern]

ye

and in general lots of alcohol too

[storm jungle]

Yeah the alcohol is mostly stemming from books where the character is always just

"Grrrr im angst as fuck, I need a [sci-fi alcohol here], right now."

[cunning wigeon]

oh sorry I missed this question, still interested?

[final spruce]

Queue to the Interrogator series

[tawdry wyvern]

yes, shoot

always grateful for some lore

[cunning wigeon]

so the reforging process was done by sigmar a) to give him some champions of mankind to be on par with other factions and b) to stop Nagash thinking he can just get everyone's soul. essentially the soul of a champion is yoinked right as they perish and then put upon the anvil of apotheosis where it is tempered and infused with a spark of Azyr. If the champion is not powerful enough or if too much Azyr is let in they will become a stormgheist and wreck shit with no humanity left, if successful a human is then born again as a stormcast with some degree of control over Azyr but forever bound to it - meaning their soul doesn't go to Shyish when they perish which pisses off Nagash to no end. In the case of the Anvils of the Heldenhamer the souls are from the long dead of the world that was (whfb) which makes Nagash even more mad because they were already dead. Problems arise however as this reforging is done everyone a stormcast dies, which even with all their prowess is quite often given the usually unfair fights they find themselves in, and so gradually they become less and less human and more and more aspect of Azyr, often misremembering past lives, forgetting them entirely and sometimes even forgetting emotions or gender. The saving grace of this is that they tend to not remember their deaths because those that do tend to lose the humanity the fastest as they realise all the horror they've been put through.

this process of reforging inspired Nagash when he was making his Ossiarchs and so he takes the souls of multiple mortal champions, severs their humanity and any unnecessary parts such as memories of emotions or rebellious nature and then forces them all into one soul gem that then animates his Bonereapers. This means each bonereaper has the collective experience of potentially hundreds of mortals and despite being undead can act with both synchrony of their cohort and independence from their leaders, a liege will give simple instructions like "take out their artillery" and the bonereapers will then wordless split into flanking forces, distractions etc to complete the task meaning they fight like one giant machine or hivemind despite all being individual.

this does however mean failure and success is seen to fall upon the individual as such they will get punished, usually by having their bodies reformed into mounts for the kavaloi to ride upon, during which their more human soul stuff is merged with that of warbeasts so they are savage and obedient but still remember the humanoid form they once had and the failure to Nagash they are guilty of

[tawdry wyvern]

Thank you, sounds more grim than I actually expected. Also lots of dickery from gods that the mortals have to endure

[serene jungle]

IT'S A POWERMAUL PLEASE 😢

[distant parcel]

no big club

[serene jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/sadgecry-sadge-cry-gif-18423674

It hurts

I don't want to wield a pipe

[distant parcel]

big stick

[serene jungle]

I want to wield a HERETIC

[distant parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-shootas-blood-and-teef-guardsmen-warhammer40k-astra-militarum-gif-25038086

bonk

[serene jungle]

Powermaul, my beloved

Thank you

[distant parcel]

stick

[serene jungle]

So you do have mercy in you

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[distant parcel]

from tree

[serene jungle]

I mean it's made out of metal so this time it didn't work

[plush mason]

isnt rotgut wildsnake and secondbest from necromunda?

[tawdry wyvern]

Yes

[smoky mauve]

My brain always turns amasec to percocet for a brief moment. Its always a bit wild

[tawdry wyvern]

Who knows what the basis ingredient in the far future is

[storm jungle]

Skulls

Cyber-eye

Purity seals

???

Far Future

https://tenor.com/view/drinking-booze-boozehound-wasted-alcohol-gif-23077846