It's pretty much all we have to go on
#40k-lore-chat
tawdry escarp
barren tapir
For all we know atoma prima can be a world with less than 5K years of history
tawdry escarp
It was one of the first reconquered during the Great Crusade
It existed during the Age of Isolation
barren tapir
He actually state that the moebian domain was formed before the age of strife, which could be, although very improbable... Just doesn't state the sources... Wonder if some fatshark shared some info with him, or he is just making things up
barren tapir
Eh, i wouldn't say so honestly
Definitely has some support from FS
With how he speak of the moebian domain it seems he get access to some info that others don't... The question is, is such lore real? Or just an hypothesis?
I would like to know the source of what he say, but he seems to give none
tawdry escarp
I suppose we'll find out in the coming months
simple spear
Definitely has some support from FS
I'm pretty sure he got access to more behind the scenes lore from FS directly
Doesn't he mention it in the video aswell
whole shadow
Yeah. FS specifically asked him to do it. I’m assuming they sent him the official background lore so he could make the video.
barren tapir
Such would be a very weird way to disclose some of the lore, but FS has shown to not be exactly like others in doing stuff
simple spear
Such would be a very weird way to disclose some of the lore, but FS has shown to...
Is it? Was pretty damn well put together also nice of them to include someone very dedicated to the lore
viral vessel
Is it? Was pretty damn well put together also nice of them to include someone ve...
It was weird in the sense that there were no citations or sources other than an implicit "trust me because Fatshark asked me to do this and I seem to know what I'm talking about".
tawdry escarp
It references alot of know events in the 40k timeline
If they're making new lore for the game, then there are no references
Is Atoma Prime a planet that's been referenced before?
real stone
I don't think so?
viral vessel
No. The entire Moebian sector has never been referenced before.
viral vessel
If they're making new lore for the game, then there are no references
I'm not sure what you mean by this considering the entire 40k setting has an established history and lore that is built upon.
real stone
At the same time, this is how the 40K lore goes. Someone has an idea, and they try to get it to mesh with the setting. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
viral vessel
If you're referring to how the Moebian sector had colonies founded during the Age of Strife as a reference to a known event in the 40k timeline, then that's just a given because the Age of Strife happened in 40k's past.
real stone
and from what we've seen so far it seems they aren't making up any new weapons or enemies or anything like that
viral vessel
This is a new entry being added to the "present" of 40k.
tawdry escarp
I don't mean there are no general references to 40k lore, but no specific references for Atoma, it's history and the Moebian sector
Because it's all new, yes?
viral vessel
Yes, it seems to all be new.
tawdry escarp
More than likely, Fatshark gave Luetin an information packet and a general direction, then let him do what he does best
real stone
At the same time, for Fatshark to tell their own story they need their own setting within the overarching universe of 40K
which atoma seems to be fitting into pretty well
tawdry escarp
Since GW hasn't disclosed every human colony (for that exact reason, probably) it's something that they can do
Add new things as needed for new ideas
real stone
Exactly
simple spear
I mean it doesnt really add anything new other than naming and describing something that was already there. It is like not knowing a city exists and hearing the name of that city for the first time, it suddenly becomes real etc etc. The lore being established for the sector makes sense, there are countless of planets and people we dont know the name of and this will be a part of fleshing the universe out a bit more
prisma lark
so, since "some" people on Steam are still arguing about "muh women in the army" and how sending women off to get killed would negatively affect birthrates: do we know how the Imperial population even reproduces? The old fashioned way? Vat-grown, IVF?
shadow plover
old fashioned way at least for the masses, also I've read that some hive cities you need a permit to have a child/children
and using a negative effect in birth rates as an argument against women in battle in 40k is ridiculous 
prisma lark
I know
shadow plover
yeah not blaming you here, but the "fine" people on steam forums
prisma lark
they were like "but it makes no sense!" all the while trying to apply real world logic to 40k, like, what?
prisma lark
nah, there are some very cool guys there as well
storm jungle
so, since "some" people on Steam are still arguing about "muh women in the army"...
Holy shit, been awhile since I saw that excuse lmao
made me want to never visit the forums again
prisma lark
anyway, pretty sure when a planetary governor is asked to send n million people for the tithe, he won't bother looking at each and every one of them, as long as they're fit to use a lasgun
storm jungle
also like
birthrate or not, they can just ship more people in anyway off-world 
its a pretty weak attempt at a sexist statement so I gotta stand up clap
shadow plover
also more often than not over population is the problem, not the lack of newborn
in 40k that is
hence the permits to even have children
prisma lark
yeah, they may lack food, medicines and other supplies, but if there's one thing the Imperium is not lacking, it's manpower
storm jungle
As the scientific statement says; humans fuck. A lot.
gotta pump those numbers up
scenic bolt
imperium which is portrayed as being a knifes edge away from collapse wouldn't look at their manpower and be like yea we're just gonna not recruit from 50% of the populace, they can just sit around or whatever
if the imperium figured it could send the children too theyd do that in a heartbeat
barren tapir
Is it? Was pretty damn well put together also nice of them to include someone ve...
It is because if it is a marketing move then other lore tubers should get the same info and made videos, for extra reach... But didn't happened, Luetin is not followed by everyone, and many simply doesn't care about him, which make such move even weirder... To me seems more than someone at FS liked him and shared some info with him, but in no way as part of the promotion of DT
storm jungle
if the imperium figured it could send the children too theyd do that in a heartb...
They already kinda do
but child soldiers aren't mentioned too much for censorship reasons
best they can do is usually portraying the cadian White Shields which are the closest you'll get child soldiers, especially in old lore
storm jungle
Yeah but they have toned that down lol
the old lore outright states that more clearly
scenic bolt
yea there's a degree of difference in subject matter weight if you got an adult woman in combat vs a child
not saying you cant handle the subject in fiction but that typically isnt explored much in fictional settings that also sell merchandise to children
storm jungle
Yeeee
that and like
UK book laws/censorship can be picky about this stuff
its the same reason why you won't mostly see anything sexual in nature in modern 40k books
scenic bolt
I mean even kojima caught flak for it
barren tapir
Yeah but they have toned that down lol
Eh, i guess they now say teens instead of child, but the thing is the same
barren tapir
Whiteshields are the sons fathered by Guardsmen during their posting and raised within the regiment. In the case of Cadian regiments, Whiteshields are instead members of their Cadia's Youth Armies.
scenic bolt
gives you more wriggle room if you fall afoul of legal stuff
cause armies almost universally allow recruitment of teenagers
just the upper teens
barren tapir
As soon as they are of age, every Cadian teenager is inducted into the Youth Armies, organized into Whiteshield platoons and trained under grueling conditions at a castellum.
scenic bolt
not the lower
barren tapir
Yeah, it is just that saying child soldier is ill seen, while stating it is just teens is seen more acceptable
And in the imperium we see both, but we can only talk about the teens
storm jungle
The white shields are one of the few rare canon examples yes
you kinda need to dig and find it though since most people remain unaware since children are rarely mentioned in most 40k stories
or at best off-handedly
barren tapir
Like, when Elysia was invaded after the formation of the cicatrix the regiments conscripted everyone they could, even though such practice was never done before... And in the net of the conscription all kind of people ended up, both the super young and the very old
scenic bolt
I never read the warhammer adventure series but that also struck me as weird when I first saw it
I get they have a successful publishing arm, and they want to tap into the YA genre, but theyre doing it with the 40k universe
storm jungle
like thats still grim but has a good Guardians of the Galaxy tone?
40k is just depressingly miserable
barren tapir
The white shields are one of the few rare canon examples yes
It doesn't help that many doesn't know much about whiteshilelds lore and think they are the same as conscripts, or doesn't differentiate between the original cadian version, and the other regiments versions that just got the same name, but hugely different characteristics
cerulean wagon
AoS is a lot better as an alternative
Advebtures has AoS books aswell
the 40k ones are just the only ones talked about cause the 40k fanbase loves to complain when they are reminded the actual models are aimed at children
storm jungle
sacred mauve
mortarion is based, change my mind
cerulean wagon
he changed his mind pretty fast
mystic gull
More Votann lore is up
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/06/lore-of-the-votann-introducing-the-ironkin-mechanical-members-of-the-leagues/
storm jungle
AYO
We already know that Kin society is run by the Votann, ancient thinking machines that the Imperium would be indisputably dubious of… if they knew about them. Fortunately, that’s not something outsiders need to know about.
The Leagues might want to be a bit more subtle about the Ironkin. These are true mechanical intellects, created by the Votann – and they’re computationally advanced enough that they’ve learned to mimic Kin social behaviour, fully integrated into League society as equal partners. Whether made from meat or metal – Kin are Kin.
Each Ironkin consists of a Cerebral Unit – woven with microfield generators that make it very hard to destroy – and a unique mechanical body. An Ironkin’s body isn’t just some component to be replaced – it’s deeply personal, as much as the bodies of their fleshy cousins, and designed to fulfil a certain niche, such as mining support units, cargo luggers, combat pilots, or shock troopers. Some Ironkin even serve as Wayfinders, whose accelerated logic-cores help them cogitate probable paths through the warp.
The purpose of the Ironkin is to support the Kin in every aspect of their lives, but it’s important to know that they’re not held in servitude, nor treated as lessers. They’re simply designed to want to be helpful. However, as artificial beings, they can only imitate the emotions of their biological fellows – it’s rare (but not unknown) for an Ironkin to possess ambition, or seek to become a leader.
That’s it for now, but rest assured there’s still more to come from the Leagues of Votann – and it’s going to blow your Cerebral Units right out of their circuits. Sign up for the newsletter to get the latest interstellar secrets sent straight to your inbox.
THEY
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distant parcel
its an interesting riff on the Kastelans. but these are like AI
instead of simple computers following instructions
prisma lark
that ironkin's leg is the one from an old rumour engine I think?
storm jungle
"like AI"
they are literally robots
so yeah
also apparently they are programmed to be just "helpful"
and arent treated like trash
which is great
distant parcel
im talking about the whole imperials shtick being scared of anything even closely resembling intelligence in a machnie
final spruce
@storm jungle We got servitors but they are Men of Iron and not slaves
storm jungle
LMAO
distant parcel
thats why admechs kastelan robots can only be in 1 mode at once and follow only simple instructions
storm jungle
yep
final spruce
The Votann really are the better Imperium on every stage lmao
storm jungle
Honestly thats good imo
it shows how what the Imperium does isnt necessary at all
the more the better
distant parcel
"These are true mechanical intellects"
plush mason
they are literally robots
tbf AI and robot are 2 different things
distant parcel
imperium would have a fucking siezure if they found out about it
plush mason
same and its great
distant parcel
but kastelans can only do 1 thing at a time
"The robots have a number of battle protocols that they follow, and every Kastelan must be carefully programmed for each new task, lest it simply continue ad infinitum with its existing orders"
storm jungle
maybe they will set up something between them
final spruce
Yeah they have to switch cassette to do different tasks
storm jungle
Yeee
final spruce
distant parcel
i cant wait for rule34 kastelan robots x ironkin
plush mason
no
distant parcel
Yeah they have to switch cassette to do different tasks
gotta pay 1cp or use a whole datasmith turn 💀
vapid tiger
I love the ironkin
plush mason
Yeah they have to switch cassette to do different tasks
wonder what happens if you slot in an ACDC cassette 😛
storm jungle
also I forgot to say
mad respect for not calling them "Ironkyn"
I know its really hard
distant parcel
i dont get the reference 
vapid tiger
Inb4 chuds are like "when will the ironkin turn on the votann???" and then screech about "favoritism" when they don't
plush mason
lol
vapid tiger
like the marine fans who get upset that eldar can have jetbikes but marines can't in 40k proper because "marines can't have nice things" which is just
?????
storm jungle
i dont get the reference <:FeelsDankMan:645329216782467102>
the joke is
GW calls half the votann stuff by dumb copyright stuff
"Anvyl"
"HUNTR"
"Kyn"
vapid tiger
I do like that ironkin are programmed to act like dwarves
And are treated as equals
Which
Okay that does remind me of drg drones tbh
distant parcel
bzzt rock and stone, kin
final spruce
And are treated as equals
I mean DRG treats them moreso as beloved pets
storm jungle
the management also says to not get attached to them
vapid tiger
I mean DRG treats them moreso as beloved pets
True
storm jungle
and disapproves of giving the bots names like Bosco
final spruce
Just another proof management is terrible
Plus if management didn't want me to get attached to Bosco, why does he answer when I rock&Stone and does cute noises ?
barren tapir
Dunno how to feel about the new lore drop about the Kin, but it is weird how many things match with some of my headcanon
lyric ember
so im kinda confused on how skitarii are. So theres Skitarii rangers and vanguard, (and secutarii) but are those like higher ranking troops? i know that supposedly "skitarii" use lasguns, but idk if skitarii are their own thing with the other two being people of note (like clone troopers and ARC troopers if you know star wars lore)
barren tapir
Eh, it is both complex and easy... All depend on what you want to take as canon, the "skitarii with lasguns" is from a time where the concept of Skitarii wasn't formalized, and each writer went with their personal take, that is why you have skitarii that are servitors, super augmented humans and regular humans with more agumentation than IG, but still armed with lasguns
Skitarii rangers and vanguards on the other hand are the first of the new actual formalized skitarii
Born with codex: skitarii 7th edition iirc
As now, based on what you can make an army for the Ad. Mech. on TT rangers and vanguards are the rank and file soldiers, with different roles
Also, secutarii are not technically skitarii
vast frigate
i do hate that the new votann ironkin are a thing tho
now i wont ever not get the ''oh like the votann'' when people ask about the ai bodies in my skittles
:/
barren tapir
Ah, so it wasn't only my headcanon that got affected by these lore drops...
storm jungle
so im kinda confused on how skitarii are. So theres Skitarii rangers and vanguar...
1 sec fam i got u
The skitarii are uhhh somewhere here
bottom left I think
This is THE most lore accurate hierarchy you're gonna find
vast frigate
Ah, so it wasn't only my headcanon that got affected by these lore drops...
not even headcanon, just my full custom forgeworld
barren tapir
not even headcanon, just my full custom forgeworld
Well, that is headcanon in my book, unless your custom forge world is part of an official book
vast frigate
nah just custom forgeworld
barren tapir
This is **THE** most lore accurate hierarchy you're gonna find
But old... No marshal...
vast frigate
marshal stands above skitarii alpha
storm jungle
But old... No marshal...
Best I can do chief
barren tapir
Best I can do chief
Like always fellow Kin
storm jungle
💀
barren tapir
We were discussing the models in #40k-minis-and-armies
vast frigate
Yeap so people are already complaining that the ironkin arent lobotomized ai constructs
storm jungle
Nice ❤️
barren tapir
Lol
vapid tiger
Yeap so people are already complaining that the ironkin arent lobotomized ai con...
LINK
this is what occurs when you get no bitches
vast frigate
facebook comments
vapid tiger
I checked
They are indeed ugly
Then again most guys are compared to ME (and my pfp)
vapid tiger
Theory
Men of Gold are perpetuals
They created the Men of Stone, who are the leagues of votann, to help colonize the stars, who created the Votann as the first STCs since they sound very similar to STCs in purpose
This aids in spreading them and mankind across the galaxy
The Men of Stone aka leagues create the Ironkin as the first Men of Iron
Mankind gets hold of them and makes them into space skynet
Men of Iron rebel
SOME Men of Gold attempt to course correct through the Imperium but disagreements occur AKA erda and the other perpetuals because it's a bad plan, it ends in ruin
The leagues meanwhile sit it out and are content to be left alone and fade into obscurity in dwarf fashion
I'm going to assume that in their new fluff their resurgence probably has to do with Guilliman since he is a diplomat
And is probably cautiously attempting a warhammer fantasy style "Alliance of Men, Dwarves and Elves" thing as a last ditch plan to salvage the Imperium
Which would effectively make Guilliman 40k Karl Franz
barren tapir
SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS!
vast frigate
summon the cores
tawdry escarp
Or 40k Aragorn
vapid tiger
Yeah but aragorn isn't racist
meager wing
was looking over how the emperor interacted with regular civilians of the imperium and came across this neat excerpt that presents him in a way i really like!
From Outcast Dead, The Emperor communes in the mind of an Astropath who has had the knowledge of how the Heresy will end implanted in him:
‘You look different, Kai,’ said the figure, his golden eyes like shimmering coins.
‘I am different,’ he said, taking a seat before the silver pieces of the board. ‘I feel free.’
The man smiled and said, ‘Good. That is all I ever wanted for you.’
‘You brought the Argo from the warp,’ said Kai, moving a silver piece forward.
‘Are you asking me a question?’
Kai shook his head. ‘No. I don’t want to know. The truth only spoils things.’
‘The truth is a moving target,’ said the figure, moving a Templar across the board.
‘Did you see?’ asked Kai, already knowing the answer.
‘I saw what Sarashina hid within you, yes.’ ```Kai said nothing, and they played in silence, trading pieces back and forth across the board. Mindful of his last encounter over the regicide board, Kai played a cautious game, husbanding his pieces and unwilling to take unnecessary risks.
‘Do you not want to play?’ asked his opponent.
‘I don’t know what to say to you,’ replied Kai, sitting back in his chair. ‘Knowing what you know of the future, you still want to play a game?’
‘Of course. At a time like this, it is the best way to stay focused,’ said the figure, moving his Emperor forward in an aggressive move designed to tempt Kai to rashness. ‘If you want to know a man’s true character, play a game with him. In any case, the future is the future, and my feelings towards it will not change it one way or the other.’
‘Truly? Even you can’t change it?’ said Kai, willingly taking the bait.
The figure shrugged, as though they discussed something trivial. ‘Some things need to happen, Kai. Even the most terrible things you can imagine sometimes need to happen.’
‘Why?’
His opponent moved his Divinitarch into a blocking position, and said, ‘Because sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning.’
Kai scanned the board, seeing he had no more moves to make.
‘Stalemate,’ he said.
The figure spread his hands in an empty gesture of apology. ‘I know some people think me omnipotent, but there is a catch with being all powerful and all knowing.’
‘Which is?’
‘You can’t be both at the same time,’ said the figure with a wry smile.
‘So what happens now?’
‘I finish the game.’
‘This one?’ asked Kai, puzzled.
‘No,’ said the figure. ‘Our game is done, and I thank you for it.’
‘Will I see you again?’
His opponent laughed. ‘Who knows, Kai? If our game has taught me anything, it is that all things are possible.’
‘But you’re going to die.’
‘I know,’ said the Emperor.' ```was looking over how the emperor interacted with regular civilians of the imperium
he doesn't
that's in 30k
Where he is still believed by some in the outer imperium to be a myth
meager wing
An astropath is pretty much the most regular person he has ever interacted with outside of one priest
vapid tiger
ya
Astropaths are also personally inducted in by the emperor himself
Even in 40k
They bring them into his throneroom and that's how they're blinded
He just kind of
BLAPs them
barren tapir
They bring them into his throneroom and that's how they're blinded
They are not brought in the throneroom
vapid tiger
Oh yeah
barren tapir
But they are connected to him yes
vapid tiger
They're brought before the eternity gate or some shit
"They prepare for months, fasting and praying; then they are brought a hundred at a time in procession to the Emperor's Palace and the ritual takes place[2b]: they kneel before the Emperor and he himself (being the only psyker powerful enough to complete such a task) reshapes their very minds"
They're brought before the emperor yeah
It is the throneroom
barren tapir
Astropaths undergo special training over many years before taking part in this special rite, where their minds are brought before the great psychic might of the Emperor himself. During this process, a portion of the Emperor's vast essence is transfered into that of the Astropath. The transference process is a traumatic experience, with not all being successful despite many years of training, with some not surviving and many that do lose much of their sanity.
vapid tiger
Wait shit
hm
it never says the throneroom in particular but it does say the Emperor's Palace
barren tapir
"They prepare for months, fasting and praying; then they are brought a hundred a...
This is rogue trader lore btw
real stone
I like to picture it as they just shove them in-front of the astronomican itself
vapid tiger
This is rogue trader lore btw
The most valid of all lore that's where I got it from
barren tapir
The most valid of all lore that's where I got it from
The oldest source, which is not canon in many parts
real stone
vapid tiger
The oldest source, which is not canon in many parts
And is canon in many others
The source for "the emperor's psychic might" is codex imperialis which is 2nd ed
barren tapir
Oh, i'm not arguing on that, i'm arguing on the thing they get to the throneroom, or even the imperial palace
vapid tiger
Wait hm
real stone
Again, there's this "beam" of the astronomican and they just shove em in
vapid tiger
It's all sanctioned psykers and the ones with the worst willpower get blinded
barren tapir
The sould binding is indeed done by the might of the emperor psychic powers, just not at the imperial palace
barren tapir
Soul binding is in general a thing for astropaths, which i think is still canon because no one give a fuck about them, while sanctioned psykers, being used on TT are more tweaked
vapid tiger
I imagine a lot of them are brought to the palace given that many are brought to terra via the black ships
After all the palace is huge and has many places other than those directly leading to the throneroom
Literally the size of a nation unto itself
barren tapir
Yes, but psykers that either are not binded or not strong enough to be control their powers are a danger, and they don't go out of the precint of the astra telephatica
covert lantern
The imperial palace is that entire map???
covert lantern
I thought it was just like a big ol Parthenon
Everything makes so much more sense now.
vapid tiger
I mean why not get them as close to the emperor as possible to ensure the binding is effective once they are judged as being worthy of an astropath
Have them go through the trials and tests etc and then when they're ready for the soul binding and still on terra just take them there
Then do it
vapid tiger
The imperial palace is that entire map???
Yeah
That's why in the siege of terra it's like
"Oh most of it is focused around the Imperial Palace" makes sense still
It's still a fairly massive area
It's why horus needed multiple marine legions
storm jungle
We'll also get to see more of it in the upcoming Siege book as well too since its the traitors pushing into the palace and the eternity gate
real stone
The imperial palace is unbelievably enormous, and that's just the stuff on the surface
there's all the vaults and catacombs and stuff underground
storm jungle
Yeah it almost goes into the core of the planet lmao
vapid tiger
ADB is a diehard blood angels fan with his own (canon) homebrew blood angels chapter apparently despite him being called a "chaos fanboy"
Even more based is the fact he does not even play 40k, he instead plays AoS and before that fantasy, and says that he would prefer not to write about that side as much because he doesn't want to view it as work
covert lantern
I remembering hearing about the custodies blood game and was really wondering how they did all that in a Parthenon
My ignorance has blinded me
storm jungle
Nah its kinda accurate
they close off certain areas of the palace for it
the prey isnt allowed full autonomy to run around everywhere
covert lantern
Ok, that makes a lot of sense
Wouldn’t want anything to accidentally bump the emp
real stone
but even in closing off "certain areas" that's still easily hundrends of square kilometers
covert lantern
That’s so much space
storm jungle
Yeee
vapid tiger
It's why it's a challenge
They essentially are busy playing jason bourne a lot of the time
real stone
Jesus christ it's jesus christ.
covert lantern
lmfao
vapid tiger
I would not be surprised if there was a custode named jesus christ
Given that they assume names of heroic and legendary figures apparently
Like gilgamesh and whatnot
covert lantern
Rip kitten
real stone
I said it once, and I'll say it again. I miss TTS.
covert lantern
I never finished it. I should go finish it ,shouldnt i?
vapid tiger
i could never get through season 1
Alfa himself admits he is embarrassed of season 1
I like alfabusa but I just cannot get through season 1 of tts
vapid tiger
And I also don't enjoy the primarch obsession tts seems to have helped generate given the memes I've seen but I did see a snippet of an episode where vulkan and corax dismantle capitalism on a planet and it's hilarious so hm
real stone
"I am a centurion of the imperial fists going by the wall name, Adorable."
vapid tiger
It was vulkan trying to pull himself up by the bootstraps while corax, being corax, decided to just try and lead a revolution himself or something
They were stranded I think
real stone
Yep, Jopall
And that was while they're trying to get to terra to warn the emperor that Magnus is out of the warp, and there's a menial who's always dreamed of killing a primarch
The menial crashes their ship, they then get off planet, but Vulkan is dying from a
it's good
all I can say, it's good.
vapid tiger
I see
signal hill
just had a thought
if some clever peasent on a medieval level agriworld 'invents' steam machines
would he be screwed for tech-heresy?
final spruce
Most likely
vapid tiger
They'd probably screw him over, then possibly use the technology anyway
signal hill
living in the empire really sucks 😛
vapid tiger
The mechanicus declared the guy who made Onager Dunecrawlers a heretic and burnt him at the stake for example
But uses them
I think.
Could be another unit.
barren tapir
The mechanicus declared the guy who made Onager Dunecrawlers a heretic and burnt...
They were made by Arkhan Land... The Mechanicum didn't burned him
barren tapir
The one that rediscovered the STC for the phospex weapons, which then later on destroyed it and was burn at the stake with one of such weapons
plush mason
so is there a list of all the psykic powers the imperium can use?
final spruce
others are in the codexes
cerulean wagon
main ones we will probably see will be pyromancy, telekinesis and byomancy domain things
barren tapir
What is the one that shoot lighting?
plush mason
so there are domains of psyker abilities like there was domains of magic in fantasy?
final spruce
It's domains yeah but unlike fantasy, you're not stuck to 1 domain as a human
plush mason
ok
cerulean wagon
yeah, anyone can learn any power, with training
plush mason
that opens the psyker class up to be able to specialize in one domain or learn a mix of abilities. nice
cerulean wagon
also it doesn't matter since we are custom characters, so even if it was domain locked person to person we could still swap
plush mason
yup that to
vast frigate
AND THERE IT IS
storm jungle
I COULDNT RESIST
final spruce
Lmao
vast frigate
i love that woman honestly
shes a pain and absolutely horrid to children
but thats the character
the heavy, bombastic energy she carries tho
storm jungle
Shes an absolute unit
cerulean wagon
I COULDNT RESIST
lmao
coarse tree
We're the C'tan ever referred to as "Star Vampires" in 40k lore? I could have sworn I remember the Necrontyr called them that at some point but all I'm seeing with a quick google search is "Star Gods"
vast frigate
yes
they are
i know what youre talking about
i dont know where, but i also read about that term
coarse tree
Before Ctan feed on the suffering of mortals they leeched energy off of stars so it makes sense
smoky mauve
Wheres the part where they force guiliman to eat the cake and the two highlords are staring aghast?
bright anvil
Shame the emperor never realized that sorcery is actually cool and good
grand pilot
Shame the emperor never realized that sorcery is actually cool and good
Magnus sock puppet account identified.
bright anvil
Hehe
rigid cloak
yeah, anyone can learn any power, with training
As long as said power is within your 'power level'
Most psykers are weak af and can only do things low level powers read minds, card tricks, be 'lucky' or get esoteric prophetic visions. And most of those guys go to a choir....
crisp heath
if you are a real warhammer 40k fan then name all 40 thousand warhammers
smoky mauve
Ball peen
Shoe nail hammer
Sledgehammer
Jackhammer
Uh... Warhammer
plush mason
lol
tawdry escarp
Storm hammer
Ban hammer
Mjolnir
rose thorn
HeyyYyy what’s the subject we are talking aboutttt
brittle nebula
The conversation died. It can be anything now.
brittle nebula
brittle nebula
So I assume you know of the eldars fall and the birth of Slaanesh?
rose thorn
Of course
brittle nebula
Good I hate that part.
rose thorn
And the ynnari getting fucked over by a single death watch vet
rose thorn
Good I hate that part.
Lmao I love it, the sheer irony in it is amazing.
brittle nebula
Lmao I love it, the sheer irony in it is amazing.
I hate it because I’ve had to explain it so many times
rose thorn
So, what are the eldar really doing?
Like all I’ve seen is ‘eldar have mcguffin… get mcguffin from eldar.’
brittle nebula
I’m sry but what is Mcguffin
brittle nebula
Ah
rose thorn
Rings from lord of the rings
Platinum chip from fallout nv
That anti tyranid ork helmet from uhhh
brittle nebula
Well for the most part they are trying to rebuild there empire and kill he who thirsts.
That’s the jist of it
brittle nebula
I really haven’t done much reading on the hierarchy. So I’m not sure.
signal hill
I think the farseers are usually the Leaders or their advisors and use their psionics to make Plans for the future
grand pilot
I took it as read that since Autarchs are specifically warleaders, they follow them while in active campaigns and do what the farseers do the rest of the time.
Since doing what the people who can see the future say does generally sound like a good idea to me.
bright anvil
But what if it’s the wrong future!!!
brittle nebula
The make sure it’s the right one.
signal hill
I think generally eldar society has a rather flat hierarchy that works well because their leaders can look into the future and everyone knows that going against that can be a Premium Ticket to slaanesh
atomic pelican
Craftworlds dont really have a hierarchy outside of sort of on their paths with teachers and seniority. Farseers do not look into random civilians futures, it is considered a taboo
signal hill
But what if it’s the wrong future!!!
That's why they constantly quadruple Check
More with Humans involved
They certainly don't just Check once and leave it at that
atomic pelican
And Seers who abuse their powers are Cleaved
Ex) the psionic part of their brain is removed
And they live a horrid life
brittle nebula
That’s a thing? I didn’t know they could just remove something to stop there powers.
atomic pelican
Yes
signal hill
I think there was a Case where a craftworld was considering participating in a conflict but they checked their future in that and backed off again
atomic pelican
Though itd sort of like a lobotomy
It ruins their life
And they lose a important part of being aeldari
brittle nebula
I don’t doubt that
signal hill
So @rose thorn any other questions? :p
rose thorn
UHhhhh,,, how does chaos corruption for for eldar?
brittle nebula
I don’t think they have that problem
I haven’t heard of any Eldar being corrupted. And the Dark Eldar are just the Dark Eldar.
signal hill
In Warhammer Fantasy (Roleplay) eldar/elves can't physically mutate, but corruption can damage their Minds
Would assume it's similar in 40k
rose thorn
I haven’t heard of any Eldar being corrupted. And the Dark Eldar are just the Da...
I know there was a lot of warp problems in Commorragh
atomic pelican
UHhhhh,,, how does chaos corruption for for eldar?
They dont rlly get corrupted so to speak
rose thorn
But I think it’s fixed
atomic pelican
Their bodies get twisted and such
But they become husks as their souls are taken away
Its briefly described in the opening of Masque of Vyle, where a troupe discovers husk eldar
And upon Crone worlds
storm jungle
We're the C'tan ever referred to as "Star Vampires" in 40k lore? I could have sw...
Ah thats mostly mentioned in the necron codexes but its mostly just to refer to them as being "vampiric"
since they feed on solar/space-stuff™️, they are never called star vampires iirc
rigid cloak
So, what are the eldar really doing?
Most are just surviving.
Eldar on craft worlds are ultimately just trying to survive.
They for the most part have lost the ability to make new craft worlds (but may be able to salvage wrecked ones). For the most part, these Eldar are trying to maintain or increase their numbers. But any surplus population (young people) probably goes off to become rangers, Exodites or corsairs. So overall population growth is likely low or non-existent. Pop growth is further limited by their supply of Spirit stones, which can no longer be made, only pillaged from other eldar, traded for or salvaged from Crone Worlds; the only new source of these stones.
Exodites are much the same. But have an alternative system to the craft worlds 'infinity circuit'.
Dark Eldar live a hellish darwinian existence that is constantly under threat due to the fact their actions makes them reviled by almost anyone. They are typically attacked on sight by all factions. Unless they have something to offer...
Recent lore suggests this 'survive and populate' was so they could manufacture a new 'god of death' (Ynnead) using their own souls. This new god supposedly could take on Slaneesh in the warp, kick her butt and return it to a pre-fall state.
But they birthed said god prematurely... or did they? Ynnead is still growing in strength but has yet to reach the 'critical mass' needed to take on Slaneesh.
viral vessel
rich tapir
Do phones exist in 40k?
vast frigate
yeah, data slates can have integrated vox casters, which just makes it a big tablet phone
and general vox beads exist
storm jungle
Most are just surviving.
Eldar on craft worlds are ultimately just trying to sur...
Eldar Craftworlds have a surplus of space and resources. They do not have 'surplus population' which has to leave or whatever, so that's just not true. An eldar leaving is always their individual choice.
Population growth is a thing we know nothing about. What we do know is that eldar are locked in perpetual warfare which is a steady drain on them. Eldar also do not pillage each other in any case at all. Corsairs and Harlequin provide soulstones. Getting them is a hassle, but we have no clue about the numbers of eldar births or anything close to it.
Regarding dark eldar, people don't know shit about them. The average Imperial doesn't even know what an eldar is, no matter whether they are dark, light or anything in between. See Tau for the diplomacy incident and the fact they took revenge on Exodites. Commorragh is a safe haven, but the threat comes from within, as dark eldar keep punching each other down.
Recent lore is eldar looking for a way to bring forth Ynnead without dying out. Ynnead is still slumbering, but his power is visible through his Avatar and the Ynnari.
vapid tiger
Do phones exist in 40k?
Data slates are tablets but ofc most normal citizens won't have access to them outside of certain white collar administratum adepts who may have them for work purposes (though many just use typewriters etc because technology is a fuck in 40k, also rule of cool)
rigid cloak
Do phones exist in 40k?
Yes and so do ipads
storm jungle
Krug already said that
rigid cloak
Yes and so do ipads
With Regicide apps
storm jungle
💀
alpine ingot
https://tenor.com/view/hrothgar-slap-lalafell-slap-fly-gif-24016406
accurate treatment of any Lalafel that has a mustache
storm jungle
Just cursed.
plush mason
accurate treatment of any Lalafel that has a mustache
just any lalafel anywhere you mean lol
storm jungle
*Lolifell more like
storm jungle
🔨
alpine ingot
she'll break your fucking kneecaps and siphon your bank account
storm jungle
my parents already do that
plush mason
she'll break your fucking kneecaps and siphon your bank account
so she is your typical NYC gold digger?
alpine ingot
no, she was your accountant. Also she makes you your own exclusive clothing line.
vapid tiger
i do not trust the first treatment given that this same book says that imperials debate over whether germ theory is real
vapid tiger
Also anyone who claims that imperials debating germ theory is grimderp should read this
It's p realistic for religious zealots to debate proven science
storm jungle
Flat Earth Moment
vapid tiger
"Imperials do not understand shit"
"Dae they can genetically manipulate people/maintain starships but do not understand technology/science???? Grimderp"
Meanwhile irl exists where people in a far less comically evil and anti-intellectual society don't understand shit
alpine ingot
We have access to almost infinite knowledge in a device we can fit in our pockets, but all that has done in all honesty has made our species infinitely more stupid.
brittle nebula
Social media is one of the problems. Well particular social media platforms. Some are ok.
alpine ingot
just collective brain rot at this point
brittle nebula
Ok I have just read of something called the Necron Awakened Council. Is the new or did I miss something?
storm jungle
Ok I have just read of something called the Necron Awakened Council. Is the new ...
Entirely new. It's first mentioned in Infinite and the Divine and nowhere else atm.
brittle nebula
That explains why I have just heard of it. I haven’t gotten my hands on a copy of The Infinite and The Devine
storm jungle
Yeee
worn fern
Just read Foundation
it will explain everything about anti-intellectualism and the mechanicus
barren tapir
Just read Foundation
You mean the Asimov one?
storm jungle
There's not much to really get about the Mechanicus tbh
shadow plover
storm jungle
barren tapir
There's not much to really get about the Mechanicus tbh
There is, but in perfect mechanicum style, is not easy to see for uninitiated
storm jungle
💀
barren tapir
Like, many think that the mechanicum is all about machines and stuff, but ignore than one of the most important roles in it is the one that work with biological stuff lol
barren tapir
thats it really
Nah, that is the meme facade, there is a bit of truth in it, but it isn't everything
vast frigate
:/
storm jungle
its religious zealotry about technology
This tbh
The authors do a good job of fleshing it out but at the end of the day thats just all it is
its not a faction to be looked up to and one of the biggest reasons why the imperium is a backwards hellhole lol
brittle nebula
Innovation is heresy for example. I still don’t understand how the fuck that happened. Even a lowly civilian should understand that innovation is good. But this is 40k.
vast frigate
The faith of the omnissian cult came from survivors of burnt down mars
storm jungle
^
vast frigate
they were looking for existing tech because... it already existed
brittle nebula
True
vast frigate
from that engineseer spawned forth who delcared that ''looking for that which was lost is better than jumping through the hoops of dangerous development'' due to how delapitated tech was
This kinda spiralled out of control
brittle nebula
But I still find it stupid that Belisarius Cawl is the only one “inventing” shit
vast frigate
You have to imagine how UTTERLY BUMFUCK LAZY humanity was
barren tapir
Innovation is heresy for example. I still don’t understand how the fuck that hap...
That is actually a result of the horus heresy, m30 mechanicum was for limited innovation
barren tapir
But I still find it stupid that Belisarius Cawl is the only one “inventing” shit
That is because he is the only one that is alive from m30 onward
vast frigate
and since all was done by the men of Stone (Squats), who had passion for their craft, ai (the men of iron) and the men of gold (The perpeptuals sent to the stars)
nobody learnt
the odd kid might be interested in tech
or a really good basic engineer
barren tapir
and since all was done by the men of Stone (Squats), who had passion for their c...
Lol, you liked that theory uh
storm jungle
||The Men of Rock and Stone||
vast frigate
but when the stargon capacitor of the flax-driven habonite bolt runner breaks down
who is gonna understand that jargon but the ai that runs it?
vast frigate
||The Men of Rock and Stone||
🤘
then imagine you only learn scraps from downed ai
you learn
''oh, fuel is INDEED NEEDED TO RUN THE FUCKING ENGINE''
and you have some semi-religious folks in your bunker
storm jungle
But yeah as Ely said
barren tapir
Like, the Ad. Mech. is in decline since the horus heresy, openly stated so by official sources... It is the legacy of the schism of mars and the heresy...
vast frigate
who pray that the engine of the air filter works
storm jungle
the admech isnt deep
its just
people REALLY reading into it
their view on technology is interesting sure
vast frigate
its survival + ancient cultish burns
storm jungle
but at the end of the day its bad and terrible lmao
barren tapir
but at the end of the day its bad and terrible lmao
Oh for sure, but it isn't superficial, it is quite deep, but you need to link the dots
vast frigate
like, you have mothers, fathers, engineers, priests, teachers, farmers
theyre all in a bunker, some of them religious, some not
Now all of mars is unliveable and the engineers do the unthinkable; they amputate their limbs so they take less time staying outside in the rad heaps
The priests pray for their return
storm jungle
Theres not really dots to connect tbh
vast frigate
the families join because... what else can you do!
storm jungle
like i said their beliefs are simple
people just really read into it
which is fine, its a fleshed out faction
barren tapir
like i said their beliefs are simple
Eh, not really, like people like to think they worship machines, but that isn't the full truth
vast frigate
Children get born, they believe its all real, they dont really get taught its NOT real, because.. that would make them miserable
this spirals into generation upon generation of people who think its real, and the actual truth is forgotten
like
storm jungle
Eh, not really, like people like to think they worship machines, but that isn't ...
It is lol
vast frigate
the progression of the martian culture is very logical due to despair
but other than that...\
storm jungle
I have like 8 admech books in my library which I have thoroughly read
vast frigate
Theyre just a sad case of misunderstanding their own past
storm jungle
^
barren tapir
It is lol
It is not lol... It is just a part of it... But hey, people are free to stop at it
storm jungle
vast frigate
so.. ancestor Jake, engineer and priest! Unbelieveable... how deep our engineseer roots lie!
rose thorn
I JSUT REALIZED THE LEAGUES OF VOTAN WILL BE A XENOS RACE THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE AFFECTED BY CHAOS
WOOOOOO
vast frigate
nearly not affected
barren tapir
I JSUT REALIZED THE LEAGUES OF VOTAN WILL BE A XENOS RACE THAT CAN ACTUALLY BE A...
Nope
vast frigate
theyre near fully immune
barren tapir
Theyre also not xenos
Also this
rose thorn
;~; yeah i know they arent xenos
vast frigate
they have their own psykers even
rose thorn
but also i miss chaos dwarves
vast frigate
and those psykers are like physical roadblocks for the demons
like
a votann in the warp, casting powers is like driving into a barrier block for a demon
theyre too goddamn stubborn to even consider the demon is there
rose thorn
;~;
vast frigate
demons of course, scream louder
rose thorn
mannn i just want another species besides demons and humans for my chaos army
vast frigate
and all i can imagine is the votannite opening a hatch, leaning out, telling them to SHUT UP, and then welds the hatch shut
rose thorn
with out bone breaking amounts of kit bashing and trying to stay lore accurate
atomic pelican
Damn gw rlly slapping the tropes onto votann
rose thorn
Like, come on, GW you dont need ot make chaos dwarves but at least let them exist
this in 40k would be so cool
storm jungle
Like, come on, GW you dont need ot make chaos dwarves but at least let them exis...
Chaos squats exist
but they are oooooooooooold
like black/white rogue trader old
storm jungle
yeah thats homebrew
storm jungle
EGG
brittle nebula
I’m sry but the armless ones look sus. I’m sry it’s the truth.
rose thorn
HOLY SHIT ITS SQUAT ABADDON
brittle nebula
What?
vapid tiger
Ah, squats
rose thorn
What?
the old abaddon model was super hard to put his arms on so alot of people left him armless
and it became a meme
brittle nebula
Lol
brittle nebula
Ah, squats
I’m sry wtf?
brittle nebula
rose thorn
vapid tiger
I’m sry wtf?
He be doing the squats
vapid tiger
https://joke-battles.fandom.com/wiki/Failbaddon_the_Armless
And decades later bad memes persisted and the 40k fandom remained trapped in the year 2008
Truly a dark millennium
brittle nebula
The face he’s making. Makes it better.
storm jungle
vapid tiger
@storm jungle
storm jungle
Guess splitting the galaxy in half doesnt count
or every successful black crusade
lol
shadow plover
I still can't tell if it's Chaos fans coping or Imperium fans being obnoxious (I think it's both)
storm jungle
Imperium fans being obnoxious
final spruce
Sometimes I even wonder why I remain here
storm jungle
Memes
final spruce
After seeing shit like this
storm jungle
but basically, Abaddon basically has this weird thing where like
brittle nebula
The memes and the random shit fuckery
storm jungle
the community someone made up the fact that his black crusades were failures for some reason?
and GW retconned them into victories?
when that was.. never the case?
vapid tiger
Because imperium fans
storm jungle
Its an incredibly fascinating mandela effect
where the Imperium fans make themselves believe this was real
ala orks lol
final spruce
Abaddon had very specific objectives with his black crusades
vapid tiger
It apparently outright confused gw writers when adb told them according to his blog
Let me grab the link
final spruce
If it were not for Marketing the 13th BC would have been crushing
storm jungle
Yeah that too
final spruce
hell techncially it was since, without Gulli's revival, Terra would have fallen
storm jungle
They are mustering forces for that atm anyway
barren tapir
They are mustering forces for that atm anyway
For what? Terran assault 2.0?
I mean, i found funny to learn that while abaddon and the other chaos entities were trying to plan how to attack terra khorne went full leeeeeroy jenkins and rushed T and then got kicked hard
storm jungle
THERE IT IS
This is a difficult book, not only because of the wealth of lore (much of which subtly shifts from edition to edition, meaning you need to choose what to focus on and run with that), but also because of the 40K comedy memes that do the rounds, just like in any fandom. Abaddon, however, gets hit hardest by a barrage of misunderstandings, and lore that remained fairly vague in the past. I hope you’ll forgive me for focusing on the positive and the reality behind the curtain, but I already spend long enough worrying about, and discussing, the negative perceptions. I can’t bring myself to commit several hours hashing them all up again here and now.
shadow plover
TALON OF HORUS WAS 9 YEARS AGO?? 💀
shadow plover
and still no third instalment 😔
storm jungle
Maybe in 2030
lyric ember
so do Tau have really shit optometrists?
barren tapir
Yes, but nothing that their tech cannot fix
lyric ember
so whats up with commander farsight then
brittle nebula
What do you mean? What he’s currently doing? Or something else?
barren tapir
so whats up with commander farsight then
Lel... We should ask the imperial that give him such name... But farsight doesn't have to be about how much he see literally uhm...
plucky moth
this joke is stupid
I appreciated it
storm jungle
so do Tau have really shit optometrists?
maiden mauve
literally just found out that Tertium has 90 BILLION inhabitants 🤯 im picturing world war Z levels of hordes XD
dusk knot
that's not surprising for a hive city
storm jungle
Yeah thats usual hive city size
maiden mauve
im just now getting into the lore of 40k and this deepdive im watching he was saying that some hive citys are like a billion pop or 10 billion then says tertium is 90 billion, he made it seems like it was one of the biggest
shadow plover
Well yeah it's one of those deals where two cities get so large they merge
so it's to the bigger side of the scale yes
tawdry escarp
A hive is a continent sized city
brittle nebula
More or less
tawdry escarp
And Tertium seems to be on a particularly large continent
brittle nebula
The hives go more up and down then out though.
maiden mauve
he was mentioning hundreds if not thousands of miles across, then i just leanred about the mad max style of societies living on the outer rims of the city
tawdry escarp
Tertium grew in all directions
maiden mauve
learned*
shadow plover
he was mentioning hundreds if not thousands of miles across, then i just leanred...
here's a taste
maiden mauve
so dope lol, i wonder if a DLC will come out where they introduce that
idk if it would fit into the OG campaign at release
but who knows
plush mason
https://aarondembskibowden.wordpress.com/2013/08/22/lets-talk-about-abaddon/amp/
wait Abaddon isnt his first name?
shadow plover
not impossible but quite unlikely at least at the beginning
maiden mauve
not impossible but quite unlikely at least at the beginning
i feel like the possibilities of DLC are endless with this release
shadow plover
true
plush mason
gods could he have a more dark angel name? Ezekyle Abaddon lol
vapid tiger
im just now getting into the lore of 40k and this deepdive im watching he was sa...
That's just luetin being dumb
plush mason
like. wasnt he a luna wolf/son of horus?
storm jungle
Yeah Abby was with Horus since like the beginning
he went from the start of the Heresy all the way to the Palace siege
maiden mauve
That's just luetin being dumb
XD the exact video im watching lol im just getting past the hive city portion of the vid
plush mason
then why the fuck is his name so very biblical or did the luna wolves also have biblical names like the DA?
plush mason
trueeeeeeee
lyric ember
im just now getting into the lore of 40k and this deepdive im watching he was sa...
im fairly sure there are planets with populations into the trillions or quadrillions
plush mason
lol
vapid tiger
There's been various uh
plush mason
im just now getting into the lore of 40k and this deepdive im watching he was sa...
its more that the tertium is just one massive super hive and not a typical hive cluster from what i gathered
vapid tiger
Mathhammer shit done with hive cities and the numbers always arrive around 70-100 billion
maiden mauve
im fairly sure there are planets with populations into the trillions or quadrill...
as im beginning to try and "grasp" this universe it just seems like the scale of EVERYthing is beyond massive and once you think something is massive, you find out about the other 100 things that make that look like a pin head in comparison
storm jungle
Okay so
vapid tiger
At least in the case of hives like hive primus on necromunda
storm jungle
it always starts out like that
but eventually you'll learn more about the lore
and kinda see that 40k really isnt that big
lyric ember
yah
storm jungle
it seems like the coolest/largest sci-fi universe at first but then you'll slowly realise its kind of like a puddle
plush mason
still iirc the guard has a standing force of like 30 trillion lol
storm jungle
Either way though remember if you got any questions just go check the lexicanum
its a pretty good "summary" wiki
Also if you want to know the difference between the Lexicanum and the 40k wiki
Lexicanum :
"Khorne is the god of blood and murder. He hates wizards and loves berzerkers"
Wikia
"Khorne is the god of blood and murder, murderous blood and bloody killing. He is sated by acts of murder and blood. Warriors of blood and murder call to Khorne and Khorne demands of them blood and murder. Every time a bloody murderer wants to commit murdery blood, he invites Khorne into him. Khorne despises wizards and uses bloody murder to murder out all of the wizard blood. Khorne has no wizards, and hates them. Khorne favors only the bloodiest of murderers for his blood murdering.
maiden mauve
hahahaha, straight to the point, i like it
vapid tiger
as im beginning to try and "grasp" this universe it just seems like the scale of...
If you think 40k is big
Look up xeelee sequence
maiden mauve
If you think 40k is big
are these just books or is there other media as well?
maiden mauve
oh okay i gotcha, i was just looking it up
vapid tiger
40k is a corporate property
So it has a lot of media
and it being a corporate product is its main limiting factor in terms of where the fiction goes
everything has to market something
storm jungle
Yeah for example the main lore drop is from "Codex/Codexes"
it is basically a book on how to play your army, but it also has lore in it for fun reading times
as Krug said though theres also lots of books
vapid tiger
The best lore drop sourcebooks are things like imperial armour books and the older index imperialis/index astartes stuff, and those were also made primarily to include rules and whatnot but also shitloads of fluff
plush mason
everything has to market something
this. the whole setting exists to feed the plastic crack epidemic 😛
storm jungle
Yeah if you stick around long enough yandeez you'll learn this harsh reality lol
lyric ember
as im beginning to try and "grasp" this universe it just seems like the scale of...
BTW
dont search up daemonculaba
plush mason
^
maiden mauve
i want to google that right now after you said that lol
lyric ember
this isnt a "haha dont do it (but actually do it)"
shadow plover
you can't just say that and expect it not to happen
lyric ember
like literally do not do it
plush mason
dont search up daemonculaba
maiden mauve
like is this a rabithole thing/ all consuming thing if i do it?
storm jungle
You guys are going to confuse em so much without context lol
vapid tiger
Like there's a recent fluff metric that's like
"Hey at least 85% of imperial worlds have at least one hive or proto-hive structure on them"
And this was in a book primarily made to sell some new primaris units and urban terrain from gw
lyric ember
like is this a rabithole thing/ all consuming thing if i do it?
no
storm jungle
like is this a rabithole thing/ all consuming thing if i do it?
Its basically just a horrific lore event from a book
vapid tiger
Because it was focused on urban warfare
lyric ember
it's rape for shock value
maiden mauve
XD
vapid tiger
You guys are going to confuse em so much without context lol
This
maiden mauve
trust me im trying to take it all in lmao
vapid tiger
Do not expose new fans to memes immediately
maiden mauve
lemmie get a notepad
vapid tiger
in fact keep them away from memes
lyric ember
this isnt a meme
storm jungle
it is
daemonkebab always gets mentioned as the dumb "huehue so funny grimdank" thing lol
lyric ember
thats not why i do it but ok
vapid tiger
the daemonculaba is basically a meme at this point it only appeared in one bl novel and has been a fan meme ever since to be pointed at and "look so dark" because it's ridiculously gross
storm jungle
^
storm jungle
thats not why i do it but ok
vapid tiger
Same with stuff like people making fun of abaddon etc
lyric ember
i say it because people eventually stumble upon it
storm jungle
I mean they wont
vapid tiger
the fandom is stuck in 2008 due to regurgitating the same stuff over and over
vapid tiger
i say it because people eventually stumble upon it
They won't unless they read a very specific ultramarine novel series
storm jungle
literally the only way you can discover it is from seeing someone mention it, which is exactly what we did
vapid tiger
let it die
plush mason
the daemonculaba is basically a meme at this point it only appeared in one bl no...
tbh its a case of GW going way to in depth with the details imo
maiden mauve
is that thing a fucking joint birthing operation??
storm jungle
Yes.
lyric ember
does no one else binge read the wiki
vapid tiger
tbh its a case of GW going way to in depth with the details imo
One author you mean
plush mason
true
maiden mauve
my god... stares into the abyss
vapid tiger
does no one else binge read the wiki
I used to but nowadays I just read the source materials
lyric ember
im poor
vapid tiger
Find ways to acquire sourcebooks mainly rather than bl novels
storm jungle
is that thing a fucking joint birthing operation??
Basically.
Chaos Space Marines can't make proper recruits, so this one chaos dude seperate from the main body was like "Hey I got a great idea."
And he did... this
vapid tiger
Most of it isn't for sale anymore
lyric ember
You think I purchase them????
thats the assumption
maiden mauve
Basically.
Chaos Space Marines can't make proper recruits, so this one chaos du...
yeah for sure. "great idea" XD
storm jungle
lol yeah
maiden mauve
human centipede birth edition up in here
lyric ember
anways
vapid tiger
Yeah chaos marines have a myriad of ways to induct new marines compared to their loyalist counterparts
The daemonculaba was just one of them
plush mason
thank fuck for that
lyric ember
wasnt it one of the iron warriors that stayed loyal who (at some point in the lore) was the reason the tyranids came to the galaxy?
maiden mauve
so far ive been looking up stuff about vermintide and darktide lore wise. also is "the end times" canon or nah?
lyric ember
same chaos tho
storm jungle
Doesnt matter
vapid tiger
depends on the sauce
The end times are canon yes but they are irrelevant to 40k since that was the end of warhammer fantasy into its modern iteration, Age of Sigmar, which started off poorly but is now in a great place
but that's off topic
storm jungle
so far ive been looking up stuff about vermintide and darktide lore wise. also i...
Warhammer fantasy was nuked due to it not making enough sales, it happened a few years ago and Age of Sigmar is its current continuation in a new setting.
Without making it long; the chaos gods destroyed the world and everyone died before being transported over to AOS which is a lot like D&D in that theres other magic realms among other stuff
Darktide has nothing to do with it since 40k is a seperate entity
vapid tiger
^
maiden mauve
oh shit i didnt know that
storm jungle
Yeah
The only similarity you'll find in it is chaos gods exist in both the universes but they aren't connected.
Its mostly so people get to play demon armies in both settings
so you dont have to re-buy your demon models lmao
everything else is unrelated
maiden mauve
so aside from the setting, areas, gods, etcetera the story is just separate from 40k
?*
shadow plover
wasnt it one of the iron warriors that stayed loyal who (at some point in the lo...
Look up Pharos
storm jungle
so aside from the setting, areas, gods, etcetera the story is just separate from...
Entirely seperate yeah
like before anyone else says it
GW in the past hinted at Fantasy and 40k being connected but in a comic book/wink-wink way
after the end times they dropped that entirely
since its kinda convoluted and not really worth the effort
shadow plover
But the trailer today proved it otherwise...
storm jungle
Dont lmao
vapid tiger
wasnt it one of the iron warriors that stayed loyal who (at some point in the lo...
Yeah and later the ultramarines garrison on pharos became the scythes of the emperor
vapid tiger
Who still honored the loyal iron warriors without knowing who they were well into the 41st millennium before the nids ate up
They kept dantioch's mask as like
A token of "the hero of pharos"
Who had become a mythical figure
plush mason
GW in the past hinted at Fantasy and 40k being connected but in a comic book/win...
iirc there use to be 2 different ways they where connected. one was that fantasy was on a world cut off in a warp storm and the other was that all of 40k was in a magic bottle in the altdorf collages of magic lol
lyric ember
LMAO CAWL
fucking pissed off a c'tan shard
who has sworn vengeance on him
from the wiki
After reaching the Pharos, Cawl discovered that a shard of the C'tan Zarhulash the Potentate had provided the power source for the ancient Pharos. He forged a deal with the alien star god, in which Zarhulash agreed to destroy the device by removing its heart, creating a miniature singularity.
In exchange, Cawl agreed to remove the shackles of necrodermis that kept the C'tan Shard captive and create a portal with the Pharos to allow him to finally escape from Sotha.
Cawl seemingly agreed, but this was only a ruse as he actually teleported Zarhulash to a far-off region of the galaxy where the C'tan Shard was surrounded by hostile Necron Tomb Worlds. Zarhulash swore revenge on Cawl for this betrayal.
storm jungle
If we wanna be technical, every planet and population killed by the nids
vapid tiger
For anyone wondering why they kept an iron warrior mask around and didn't go "hey wait a minute that looks iron warrior-y"
Fans have a perspective of 40k that its characters don't. Most marines outside of certain veterans wouldn't know the differences between most traitor legions for example unless they are A: The black legion or B: hold significance to the chapter, such as the word bearers to the ultramarines, or have frequently fought them
lyric ember
is the Imperial Fists faults
how so?
lyric ember
ah
storm jungle
BUT
lyric ember
i was skimming through
storm jungle
this is a strawman argument
its the same as me saying every imperial guard is a traitor because half the Imperial army went rogue during the Heresy
so im just joking lmao
lyric ember
ah
lyric ember
Or that dark angels are traitors because luthor
they're so weird
in an understandable way
but still
lyric ember
also Barbabas Dantioch is pretty cool
storm jungle
Hes a unit
plush mason
so how long till the 4th hive fleet arrives yall think?
lyric ember
not long enough
lyric ember
theres already like 10+ hive fleets
plush mason
theres already like 10+ hive fleets
are there just 3 main ones and a bunch of splinter fleets from them?
lyric ember
this is bugging me
storm jungle
STOP
lyric ember
do you nid me to
storm jungle
aaa
lyric ember
im like a tyrant
plush mason
not according to the lexicanum lol
atomic pelican
Gigachad codex tyranids vs virgin wiki
shadow plover
I thought once that I had a cool homebrew nid hive fleet name but after a while I discovered that there was on canon fleet with the same name 😔
storm jungle
What was it
atomic pelican
Yeah gw has most of the "beast of legends" names taken for hivefleets
lyric ember
Yeah gw has most of the "beast of legends" names taken for hivefleets
hive fleet yeti when
storm jungle
^
lyric ember
hive fleet sasquatch
storm jungle
Hive Fleet Yhetee more like
lyric ember
hive fleet ur mom
plush mason
Gigachad codex tyranids vs virgin wiki
wait didnt those other 4 form from splitter fleets of the main 3 that became so different from the main one that they became their own main fleets? i was talking about the fleets that come from outside the galaxy
storm jungle
They all come from outside
lyric ember
question
storm jungle
Tyranids arent native to the milky way
atomic pelican
Probably
storm jungle
Not yet
BUT
that would be cool as fuck
because
a lot of people forget space is 3D
atomic pelican
Leviathan TWO
storm jungle
electri
plush mason
Tyranids arent native to the milky way
i know that but a splitter fleet is just an off shoot of the main one lol
storm jungle
BOOGALOO
storm jungle
i know that but a splitter fleet is just an off shoot of the main one lol
Splinters are basically like if someone shot your arm
and then it crawled away to do his own thing
plush mason
yup
storm jungle
otherwise yeah they are like that usually
lyric ember
a lot of people forget space is 3D
yeah there could be some dope shit with that, along with the fact that there isnt a true "up"
but no
unborn iron
daaam lutins vid is long
lyric ember
everyone does the same shit
unborn iron
and good intro
storm jungle
Yeah i really hope we get one Hive Fleet coming from above at some point
the sideways invasion pattern gets boring lol
lyric ember
the current theory is that the galaxy is surrounded right?