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storm jungle
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No

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Read

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šŸ“

rose thorn
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OHhhhh

storm jungle
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Yeah this is all you're gonna get atm.

This is from the T.Sons codex and it doesnt go much into their recruitment beyond this

rose thorn
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Thatā€™s way cooler then fuckin ultra marines tax trials or what ever

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Paper work your self into a space marine

final spruce
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Ah yes

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Calgar comic

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Send the children to the wolves

storm jungle
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LMAO

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Not even that

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crawling through a minefield with machinegun fire above

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while wolves maul the kids

atomic pelican
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Dwarf fortress wolfpit tier recruitment

storm jungle
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they are just really cool

final spruce
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Bird nerd egyptian magic SM

storm jungle
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Some cool DRIP

unborn ruin
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poor thousand sons

rose thorn
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I was gonna make an EC list for CSMs but Iā€™d rather not die from upgrade kits older then my sister and make WBs instead, but Iā€™m saving that for when the new CSM air drops. So yeah Iā€™ll probably make a T. Sons army

storm jungle
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šŸ™

rose thorn
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I was gonna get the T sons start collecting, but it doenst really look my style

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Tzaangors and terminators, more like uh.

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Idk

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Wow thousand sons do not have many choices Huh?

storm jungle
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ALL TZAANGORS

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šŸ‚

rose thorn
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HAAHAHAH

storm jungle
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that was half the memes people made for it when they saw the latest T.Sons boxset

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its hilariously accurate

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but yeaah like, I hope you enjoy spamming Rubrics lul

rose thorn
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I fucking love thsi thing

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Itā€™s beautiful

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No clue what it does

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I just want it

rose thorn
storm jungle
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My condolences

storm jungle
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THERE it is

rose thorn
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I LOVE IT

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I wonder if itā€™s good or what it even does

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Oh itā€™s like, a Daemon engine, Iā€™ll send the stats itā€™s kinda weird but I love it

storm jungle
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šŸ‘€

rose thorn
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Itā€™s like a ranged chaos spawn

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Itā€™s cool actually I really like it

storm jungle
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Yeah its a pretty unique lad

rose thorn
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I think Iā€™m make a cult of mutation army

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And damn thier one named characters color scheme is banging

plush mason
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dont forget the walking ash piles

rose thorn
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?

barren tapir
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Rubric marines

plush mason
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yeah them

rose thorn
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O

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Yeee

drifting fog
vapid tiger
rose thorn
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Astorthas the Inconstant

lyric ember
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So are Vostroyans other than the firstborn of every family allowed to join the guard

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I assume they dont join the firstborn

plush mason
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like why do all the nobles of Vostroya send their firstborn to the guard in that way?

lyric ember
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During the Heresy they didnt help the emperor due to impossible quotas, so they took it as their punishment and a way to repay the Imperium

plush mason
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i see

lyric ember
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Also the Mechanicus are part of the leaders of the planet, which i think happened as a way to make sure it didnt happen again

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They got hella drip too

plush mason
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is that also why their gear so much better than average?

lyric ember
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That, and the fact that they take that "soviet national pride" thing

plush mason
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i thought they where Napoleonic french inspired

lyric ember
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The workers spend 1 hour of every 10 maintaining the regiment as well

lyric ember
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I thought they were russian

plush mason
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yeah those giant bearskins where the hats the french imperial guard worn

lyric ember
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Ah

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Well i guess i like Vostroyans slightly less now

plush mason
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lol

lyric ember
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But they still look badass

storm jungle
lyric ember
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Thank you person more historically literate than me

storm jungle
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My history is awful but i know some stuff

plush mason
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yeah i can see the cossack in them

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namely the in the facial hair lol

crisp heath
plush mason
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funny enough thats what i first thought. then someone in another 40k server called me and idiot for it lol

crisp heath
# storm jungle They are mainly russian cossacks with European/Napoleonic inspiration

(Sorry for my English. I am a fucking uga buga Ukrainian monkey) their coat looks like the one Russian ā€œstreltsiā€ had, and their hats are called ā€œpapahaā€. They were also worn by russian military and Cossacks in winter. And the last thing is that all their names are East Slavic. For example: Graf Toshenko(Ukrainian surname), or Grigoriy Kulikov( russian surname), Maxim Kabanov, etc.

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Coats

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Hats

crisp heath
# plush mason funny enough thats what i first thought. then someone in another 40k server call...

Cause guys who are not history nerds are constantly calling them ā€œBritish guardā€ or ā€œNapoleonic Frenchā€ inspired, which pisses off vostroyan fans. There are even guys who say that ā€œGW wonā€™t do any Russian inspired regiments, cause Russians donā€™t buy miniatures (?), and also Russians are hated by everyone, so they are bad and donā€™t deserve anything goodā€. And that was before war in Ukraine. Canā€™t imagine what is going on in their heads NOWā€¦

plush mason
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lol

crisp heath
plucky moth
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Itā€™s a vibe

barren tapir
crisp heath
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Too bad it wouldnā€™t work against space marines :((

barren tapir
crisp heath
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Well, the main reason , as I previously said, is that the Mechanicus were on vostroya before the E

barren tapir
barren tapir
crisp heath
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Hmm.. I surely remember reading somewhere about that

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The origins of this unusual arrangement can be found in the Age of Strife, when Vostroya was the rare independent world that swore allegiance to Mars, rather than be settled by a colony of tech-priests as was the norm for almost all of the other Forge Worlds.

barren tapir
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I mean, maybe we are stating the same thing, let me rephrase...
Vostroya was allied to the Ad. Mech. since old time, but was never actually part of the Ad. Mech. otherwise it would be a forge world fully under the Ad. Mech. rule and wouldn't need to give stuff to the imperium... In this way they are kinda a middle ground

barren tapir
crisp heath
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Ok

barren tapir
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Also, i congratulate your knowledge of vostroya tbf, i rarely meet people that know enough about it as regiment and world

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Many go with the valhallan one for russians, since many don't make the connection between vostroya russian empire age to vostroya

crisp heath
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Oh, I am fucking simping on them

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And also I collect..ed.. them

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And now, when all pirate 3D printing companies are gone

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No vostroya

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Only Cadians

barren tapir
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If krieg got to become plastic and updated then there is hope for vostroya too, they were liked quite a bit afaik

crisp heath
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In the darkness of the 2022, there is only hope

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For some reason I donā€™t think GW is going to do that. They already have 2 new regiments, Cadian reskin and Dorn tank to please IG fans

barren tapir
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Dorn tank? The new tank is called dorn???!!

crisp heath
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Rogal Dorn tank

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Something between baneblade and leman russ they say

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Someone leaked the upcoming IG releases

crisp heath
barren tapir
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Yes, just searching for those leaks

shadow plover
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don't think there has been any pics? Just the supposed name

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think it was on the dakkadakka forums

cerulean wagon
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god i hope its not called rogal dorn

crisp heath
cerulean wagon
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it just doesnt sound impressive at all

shadow plover
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well tanks have been always named after notable people so it is pretty fitting

cerulean wagon
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yeah but the other people, bar the russ, are interesting

barren tapir
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New Tank (Apparently named Rogal Dorn Battle Tank)
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

cerulean wagon
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and atleast leman russ sounds good

final spruce
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Skelly just be happy guard gets something at this point :sadge:

barren tapir
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FFS no primarch name for tanks

crisp heath
barren tapir
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Yes, those are fine

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And i would suggest something cadian name for the new tank

cerulean wagon
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like idk

barren tapir
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Creed tank would be better imo

cerulean wagon
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creed

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seeing as hes dead

barren tapir
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Are we on the same side Skele?

final spruce
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We know we're getting a new Creed to replace him thou

crisp heath
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Shame we donā€™t have new models for those

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barren tapir
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Never thought i would fight side by side with a Skeleton

shadow plover
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the problem there would be that you can still field the character named Creed on the tabletop so maybe that's why they didn't go with that

barren tapir
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But yes, creed is the best name for naming a new tank

cerulean wagon
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you can also field leman russ on the tabletop

shadow plover
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well not in 40k

cerulean wagon
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and dorn

barren tapir
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Not only we can say "it is the creed of the Ad. Mech. made manifest" or "the creed of the emperor will protect you" or still "creed might have fallen defending cadia, but his name will live on and bring retribution to the enemies of mankind"

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Creed is the superior name, not fucking rogal dorn FFS!!!!

crisp heath
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Hey

final spruce
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Sadly, from what we're been teased, the new guard models will be a bit more round / more futuristic

crisp heath
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Hey

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Guys

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At least not GUILIMAN battle tank

barren tapir
cerulean wagon
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ye the sentinel sounds cursed ngl

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lmao blank

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creeds rotund tank

final spruce
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Lmao

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Rotund fellow

barren tapir
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I mean, creed himself was quite rotound iirc his model, so it checks out

final spruce
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Kinda like most guard minis because they kinda show their age

cerulean wagon
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but ye

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i worry for the guard update, especially the sent

crisp heath
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I worry that it it again a fucking cadia reskin

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New htw for CADIA

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New kasrkins for

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U guessed

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Cadia

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New sentinel with CADIAN pilot

barren tapir
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Well, kasrkin are cadian unique, that make sense... But we should also get 2 new regiments

final spruce
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Ah

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He is also a Medic believer of the Cadian pattern armour

barren tapir
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Lets not jump to conclusions yet

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It is easy to misname the armour as cadian pattern

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And to think it is unique to them

final spruce
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However, lets hope we get more head options other than basic and catachan yeah

shadow plover
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yeah the armour cadians use isn't Cadian, just the basic guard armour that is the most used across the imperium

barren tapir
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It would be really nice to get a name for such pattern, like mars pattern armour or something, that way we could more easily point out that it is not cadian pattern armour

shadow plover
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Think it's just called standard flak armour

barren tapir
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Standard pattern armour could also work yes, but too much generic

crisp heath
final spruce
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I mean they could also give us special miniatures or atleast extra sprues for em

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But seeing how even the normal troup box is lacking ... its gonna take a while

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Well, Chaos legionnaire box will include all the bits for customising all main legions so lets hope the next guard boxes do that too

crisp heath
shadow plover
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Sure, but having a whole extra range of models that serve pretty much the same purpose for a singel sub faction isn't really something GW does anymore. No other faction gets that any more either

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Krieg is pretty much the only one left

final spruce
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Unless its space marines

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So far krieg ahs been contained to a single KT box

shadow plover
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well they only get upgrade sprues which are very minimal

final spruce
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It could end it there

final spruce
shadow plover
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BT are in their own codex but yeah BA and DA get pretty extensive range upgrades

final spruce
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So do space wolves, I believe only the somewhat less played like White scars and Iron Hands get very little

shadow plover
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mostly because indeed, they are space marines so they come first in regards of option availability

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but even for them the main troop options are universal, something like Vostroyans need a whole range of models to make it work

loud relic
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Lufgt Huron did nothing wrong.
Proof me wrong! Heresy

storm jungle
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He fought against taxes

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and he lost

crisp heath
broken bridge
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eC4eXXo6q0

YouTube
Deadlifts For The Dark Gods
Mortifactors EXPLAINED - CANNIBALISTIC TRIBAL SPACE MARINES!

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ā–¶ Play video
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now this is some good ol fashioned edge

storm jungle
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Very edge very nice

latent wigeon
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sounds similar.....

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you mean MORBIUS

broken bridge
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The Morbifactors

final spruce
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So many tags, my man panting for that algorithm

latent wigeon
broken bridge
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though i gotta ask what up with space marines and cannibalism arent there like 2-4 other chapters that do it

latent wigeon
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Flesh Eaters

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Blood Drinkers

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Blood Angels

plush mason
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the blood angels are literally just vampires lol

latent wigeon
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like half the BA successionist chapters

final spruce
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Flesh tearers

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Yeah

latent wigeon
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hmm a hole in my lore

storm jungle
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and most authors not realising the gimmick is already taken

real stone
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so

storm jungle
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Its mostly a case of 3 people writing a codex page for successor chapters going

plush mason
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whats the deal with these knights malevolent SM?

real stone
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sometimes it's kinda useful?

storm jungle
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"oh my god how do we make some unique successors"

real stone
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Other times, it's just flavor text that gets taken too far

storm jungle
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and it tends to not really go anywhere

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or is the same old shit

real stone
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yep

storm jungle
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yeah exactly

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but Marine fans usually eat it up

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so its whatever?

real stone
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ba dum tss

storm jungle
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I WASNT INTENDING THAT PUN

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but damn, im good

plush mason
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lol

broken bridge
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yea you were

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dont lie

storm jungle
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I actually wasnt KEK

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but ah well it works

latent wigeon
plush mason
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?

latent wigeon
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you mean marines malevolent?

plush mason
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yeah them

latent wigeon
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well, another blindingly obvious hint by the authors is that malevolent simply defines who they are

plush mason
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like the only thing i know of them is they tend to kill all their allies and the civies after every battle

latent wigeon
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that's basically it

storm jungle
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Not after

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mostly during

plush mason
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wtf

storm jungle
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they are basically such assholes, that its not even funny

latent wigeon
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before/during/after

storm jungle
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^

latent wigeon
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all the same

storm jungle
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and most Imperial adeptas

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and marines

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dont want to be associated with them

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when you get the Salamanders to be angry at your tactics that says a lot

plush mason
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are they a successor chapter?

storm jungle
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Yeah

plush mason
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of who

latent wigeon
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not known from whom though

storm jungle
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Yeah it isnt known

plush mason
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my money on the world eaters šŸ˜›

storm jungle
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Lmao

latent wigeon
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yeah surely not salamanders

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they had some "quarrels" in the past

storm jungle
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yeah like, their dislike from others is so bad that

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the Malevolent have to raid

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and scavenge

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for gear lmao

plush mason
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so just like the world eaters lol

latent wigeon
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ehhh yeah

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but more like red corsairs too

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just loyalist

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(loyalist?)

storm jungle
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Yep

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they arent declared traitors or renegades because people would probably get mad lol

latent wigeon
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I wouldn't be

storm jungle
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same

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hence my "probably"

final spruce
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I mean its 40k fans they are mad at everything

storm jungle
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they are basically a footnote Chapter too

latent wigeon
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like the marines malevolent have a total of 2 supporters

storm jungle
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Lmao yeah

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literally nobody likes them

latent wigeon
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1 being chaos 2 being orks

storm jungle
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like i said their assholeness isnt even that funny

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its just

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"we bombed the civvies lol"

broken bridge
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ill be honest kinda want some mortificators

final spruce
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And they are likely to never get attention ever again until another chapter becomes them but better

broken bridge
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paint scheme is kinda coool

latent wigeon
final spruce
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Sadly thats how GW writing goes

storm jungle
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Marines Malevolent are the kind of guys to run a credit card scam

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"Yes just tell me the 3 digits at the back of your card"

final spruce
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They need that money though

shadow plover
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they stole the apes

latent wigeon
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marines malevolent be like

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final spruce
shadow plover
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they'd still be partaking in the crypto scam

final spruce
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Theyd be the one creating the Ultramarines NFT and then dissapear with the money

sterile abyss
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Does anyone have a picture of Drukhari slave torture furniture? I need it for reference

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Literally asking for a friend

storm jungle
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I... dont think that exists?

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be more specific

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I got a big 40k art folder lol

plush mason
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the whole "turn people into stools and shit" thing

storm jungle
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oh my god he posted it in all the channels

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LMAO

sterile abyss
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YEAH MAN I NEED IT LOL

latent wigeon
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you got hooked

storm jungle
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I actually dont think it exists?

sterile abyss
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A friend is asking me how, and I also need to know how it looks

latent wigeon
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step 1

storm jungle
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like, dark eldar furniture thing is uh mostly in books

latent wigeon
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find person

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step 2

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kidnap said person

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step 3...

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... is a bit harder

sterile abyss
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ah damn. Was really hoping there was some sort of picture representation of it

storm jungle
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Yeah nah i dont think so

latent wigeon
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I mean

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you could try your nearest loony bin

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never know what you can find there

plush mason
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that may be a little to edgy even for 40k art ngl

storm jungle
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you havent seen Karak_klansmen art

latent wigeon
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I'm afraid to ask

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one daemonculaba was enough

plush mason
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like how there isnt an art of the warp gates that psykers can turn into

sterile abyss
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I might need to go to reddit. Maybe there's some 40k fan art of that stuff

brittle nebula
storm jungle
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but its not 40k

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lmao

plush mason
sterile abyss
storm jungle
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Gonna delete it in a bit but just use this as a reference for what dark eldar do but tell em its not 40k artwork

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so at least he isnt misdirected lmao

brittle nebula
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wtf

meager wing
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a simp's biggest dream

sterile abyss
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Saved it, you can delete now

plush mason
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lol

latent wigeon
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I think there's a literally mini where a daemonette plays a human harf

final spruce
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Yup

storm jungle
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Yeee

final spruce
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And its gruesome

latent wigeon
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yes

storm jungle
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I love it

latent wigeon
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bam

storm jungle
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its really creative

latent wigeon
brittle nebula
storm jungle
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also to quote Poncho, "a simp's biggest dream"

plush mason
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lol

latent wigeon
smoky mauve
storm jungle
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Ikr, its amazing

smoky mauve
sterile abyss
smoky mauve
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The age of sigmar models go so hard

rose thorn
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Like 90% of the Daemon models are amaizng

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I feel like some of the khorne ones fall flat tho

storm jungle
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Yeah khorne just doesnt have interesting visuals you can really play off of

plush mason
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blood skulls and brass lol

proper helm
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Khorne should have some more horrific war aesthetics. A daemon made of barbed wire, spent brass shells, and mud is far more indicative of war in 40k than a big red man

solemn cargo
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I like the way you think

smoky mauve
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See thats what gaunts ghost got me thinkin. The razor wire warp entities? The scarification of the blood pact? Thats the stuff thats cool and creative

molten token
solemn cargo
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You'd need a person experienced in creating designs that work for mini production, but I believe it could be done

molten token
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you're gonna be paying x3 as much for a pack of them than you would for the generic satan daemons

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40k is miniatures first which is why most of it looks very basic and bulky

solemn cargo
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I'll keep that in mind when designing my own minis

strong holly
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What instrument is that?

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I think a khornate GD would be a better end boss

storm jungle
rose thorn
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I think khorne could do with more like, daemons thatā€™s are just weapons

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Or maybe more like, unqiue models I think, like ā€˜oh this guy is a black smith who Sharpens daemons swords and shit

storm jungle
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Yeah maybe we'll see some good stuff once the World Eaters army rolls around

molten token
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Shotguns are a very khorne gun, They're amongst the 1% of gibbing and goring weapons and require you to actually he within harm's reach to use unlike just taking pot shots at enemies from afar

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Gw i know ur reading this rn

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Give WE'rs shotguns

rose thorn
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Also I barely see tzeetch at all in 40K lore

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Besides 1k sons

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But thatā€™s their own thing

storm jungle
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Yeah Tzeentch doesnt really do forefront stuff unless its T-Sons

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the most usual twist you'll get in some books is just "oh no he was manipulated by tzeentch all along!"

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so its usually eh

rose thorn
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Damn

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I mean it makes sense, his role is kinda filled out by other factions anyway

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It would be cool if he gets a lil story line like ā€˜yeah so random people are getting omega tier Psyker powers and fucking employing, we need to find what ever cult or Daemon or what ever is doing thsiā€™

vapid tiger
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they are dating

shadow plover
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nice

rose thorn
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I call it cannon now

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Kharn the betrayer and agrel tal āœØ

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They found each other in da warp

storm jungle
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they actually did

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its a really good bromance

plush mason
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the Tallarn seem to be just complete dune rip offs lol

storm jungle
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They are basically English people's attempt at bedouins/lawrence of arabia types

plush mason
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i can tell lol

storm jungle
plush mason
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ofc the planet seems to be little more than that death world from dune just without the worms

storm jungle
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Yeah its literally just a desert

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it has some cool backstory though

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otherwise its kinda dull

rigid cloak
plush mason
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hashemites?

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are you talking about the ismili?

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or are they another group i havent heard or read about lol

rigid cloak
plush mason
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ok

rigid cloak
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The Hashemites are a house

plush mason
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never heard of them

rigid cloak
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They're 'royal family' claims to be the direct descendants of muahmmed

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The last remaining ruling branch is the jordanian royals

rigid cloak
# plush mason or are they another group i havent heard or read about lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashemites

Hashemites

The Hashemites (Arabic: Ų§Ł„Ł‡Ų§Ų“Ł…ŁŠŁˆŁ†, romanized: al-HāshimÄ«yÅ«n), also House of Hashim, are the royal family of Jordan, which they have ruled since 1921, and were the royal family of the kingdoms of Hejaz (1916ā€“1925), Syria (1920) and Iraq (1921ā€“1958). The family had ruled the city of Mecca continuously from the 10th century, frequently as vassals o...

plush mason
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i see

dim totem
plucky moth
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the desert rats are a vibe tho

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also I like the Maccabian Janissaries but I wish they actually y'know

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had more to do with their namesake

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still look cool tho

latent wigeon
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I was always a large fan of the Maccabians and it's a shame we don't get to see more of them

plucky moth
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yeee

tranquil umbra
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i like the ones with genetic modifications

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geno-chilliad i think

rugged nebula
karmic gulch
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If we took the chaos gods & put them in the modern world would they still be stuck in a eternal deadlock or would one of them have advantages over the others

molten token
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equal imo

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honestly

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khorne may be the weakest

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there arent that many wars nowadays compared to old times

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he's definitely gonna get his share of bloodlust and rage from social media addicts tho

meager wing
#

slaanesh would be doing pretty good right now actually if they were born by this time

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greedy lunatics are rampant

latent wigeon
#

not to mention other things...

meager wing
#

people say nurgle but the pandemics currently aren't as flatulent and disgusting as he'd like them to be

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think he'd like the bubonic plague though

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pus filled boils and whatnot

latent wigeon
#

hoho don't forget daily shit spewing on the streets on the innocent bystanders

karmic gulch
#

Don't forget he's also the embodiment of nature

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Which is doing both bad and good

serene jungle
#

Tzeentch would be the strongest, in terms of how much back-end stuff that goes on in the world that we don't know about

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It could be Slaneesh too without any issues with how hedonistic life is

karmic gulch
#

Drugs are still rampant

#

Khorne would probably be a growing power

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Like he's still strong, but he is growing stronger

#

Considering all the rage there is in the world

#

From gamer rages, to the angry females movemen

serene jungle
#

Easy now šŸ˜‚

cerulean wagon
molten token
serene jungle
#

So, he'd just be a superfit nerd with glasses

dusk knot
#

40k fan

serene jungle
#

that would imply fit

karmic gulch
#

He'd probably be absolutely lazy, but won't have a dad bod

serene jungle
#

He would need a box of keyboards with how big his fingers are and how heavily he'd be typing

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Probably go through one keyboard every 10 minute after he's done with his posts

karmic gulch
#

10?

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You underestimate him

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He'd go through them in ~5 mins

#

He's always having atleast 3 flame wars

serene jungle
#

I underestimated it, I just wanted a realistic estimate due to mechanical keyboards šŸ˜‚

vapid tiger
karmic gulch
#

Those 40k fans*

dusk knot
#

yep had quite a few here

rose thorn
#

Gonan be honest, out of all the loyalist primarchs to return, lion or dorn would make most sense but Corvus would be so much cooler

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A loyalist daemon primarch would be fucking awesoem

dusk knot
#

I could see the lion returning

rose thorn
#

Iā€™m pretty sure itā€™s been hinted A lot

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What if they just say fuck and bring back some primarch everyone forgot liek Ferrus

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ā€˜Oh yeah his head? They just sewed it back onā€™

dusk knot
long falcon
#

just needed a lil glue

latent wigeon
vapid tiger
#

I wish

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Up until about 6th or 7th ed he was an entire amber encased skeleton onboard the phalanx but then they changed it to just his hands

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Or maybe just one hand

latent wigeon
#

What with his hands?

#

Cut from teleportation or?

vapid tiger
#

Yeah it's just one hand

#

That's all they could find

latent wigeon
#

AFAIR wasn't he shot by some Iron Warrior or something?

vapid tiger
#

No his believed death was and remains him storming a chaos ship during the first black crusade and then getting surrounded alone by a massive horde of khorne berserkers

#

and getting shredded

Nothing was left but his hand so they carried away his body or captured him

latent wigeon
#

So now it's thought he is secretly alive somewhere?

vapid tiger
#

The Imperium and Imperial Fists don't think so

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They think he's dead

#

He might be secretly alive but uh

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I sure hope he isn't

latent wigeon
#

why not

vapid tiger
#

I don't like the idea of more loyalist primarchs returning

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Because the setting would just revolve around them if they did given gw's track record

latent wigeon
#

why

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true

vapid tiger
#

I like the idea of 40k being that of a crumbling nightmare empire struggling in what many assume are its final days, not guilliman and his brothers stomping on everything else repeatedly which is just space marine wank on roids

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Guilliman being alone is fine tho

#

Because that fits the former idea

latent wigeon
#

I am afraid if it were so GW would print out Primaris Marines

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But yeah I do too

vapid tiger
#

I think the fandom idea of multiple loyalist primarchs returning and having the setting revolve around them is

Very lame

Although

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I wouldn't mind the idea of one returning and it leading to some sort of imperial civil war

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That would be fine

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And also give more narrative to imperial vs imperial matchups on the tabletop

umbral coral
#

Okay so based off the lore

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Who would win

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The empire of ultramar

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Or the unforgiven

storm jungle
#

Kinda depends but id say probably nobody

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Ultramarines would just summon all their successors for help the moment the Dark Angels' successors attack them

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so it would be like the Badab War but even worse

vapid tiger
#

Coin flip

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it's a coin flip

umbral coral
vapid tiger
#

PFFFFFT

#

HAHAHAHAHAH

umbral coral
#

Which are pretty loyal for the more part

vapid tiger
#

okay then ultramar wins

storm jungle
#

Yeah the Ultras got like a ton of successors

umbral coral
#

Ultramarines have about 9 defenders of ultramar if i remember correctly

vapid tiger
#

most chapters are either um successors or um successors who don't know they're um successors

umbral coral
vapid tiger
umbral coral
vapid tiger
#

Let's say there's 500-700 um successors

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If even 10 percent of those show up at the last minute it would be enough to turn the tide

umbral coral
#

Here is the defense force of ultramar

vapid tiger
#

Ultramarines might still manage it due to the sheer scale of ultramar if we just take those 9 chapters plus everything else

#

Where did you get the 20-25 successor count from

#

do not tell me you just counted the successors on lexicanum

umbral coral
#

To be clear there could be more

vapid tiger
#

Official successor chapters should never be treated as the only successor chapters of a given chapter

umbral coral
#

But that is the minimum

umbral coral
#

Not other foundings

vapid tiger
#

Yeah there's got to be at least double that active in the 41st millennium

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To give room for player created unforgiven chapters

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Which is the entire intent behind successor chapters

#

And chapters in general

umbral coral
#

Just only 18 official

#

I have always wanted to field a force of the unforgiven with squads from different chapters

#

(Table top)

vapid tiger
#

Like frankly first founding chapters are treated as being too uh

Omnipresent by both gw and subsequently the fandom as treating them as the list of who will show up when space marines would be called in 40k

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When they only make up less than 1% of all chapters

umbral coral
#

I treat first foundings as literally just the command of thier successors

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Cause most of the time thats what they are

vapid tiger
#

so do you imagine when it says the ultramarines are deployed to 10 places at once that it just means "oh a force of ultramarines and/or their successors"

umbral coral
vapid tiger
#

Good headcanon

umbral coral
#

Its all but confirmed

vapid tiger
#

Especially since you have sources from 30k that cite marines being regularly deployed to places in the thousands to fight

#

And then in 40k it's like "things have gotten worse"

#

"But we need less marines to adequately defend against things"

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like huh

umbral coral
#

Every chapter but the space wolfs has armies of successors

tranquil umbra
#

Salamanders barely have 2 confirmed afik

umbral coral
umbral coral
#

And didnt they get a fuckton of primaris

tranquil umbra
#

oh thats right

tranquil umbra
#

ik the wolves and templars go crazy on their sm printer

vapid tiger
#

Yeah but salamanders actually have less

#

Than usual

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That's the exception

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700 marines

#

Because they constantly take up losses

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Because they are constantly fighting

#

If they aren't they spend a bit of time with their families and then go fight again

tranquil umbra
#

sad amphibian noises

marsh grail
#

Which of the primarchs heretic, loyal or dead would most be willing to side with the tau temporarily or even long term?

tawdry walrus
#

the one who is most practical or devious

#

someone can always use them as bait

tranquil umbra
#

Roboute i guess

latent wigeon
#

Loyal Magnus maybe?

#

but like a teeny tiny maybe

tawdry walrus
#

khan would jebait the hecc out of tau

storm jungle
#

Guilliman is pretty much the only likely one

#

but as said before he'd use them as bait lmao

tawdry walrus
#

iĀ“d go with guilliman or khan

#

maybe corax

#

but a heckinĀ“ big maybe

wheat copper
molten token
#

Lol get a load of this bozo

#

Its clearly an omegon thing

marsh grail
#

Lol

wheat copper
#

I know such because I am Alpharius

flint dirge
#

we all know I am Alpharius

plush mason
#

no i am

rigid cloak
#

@tranquil umbra Thereā€™s no real exemption itā€™s more a loophole.

For example the black templars almost never fight as a single force but in multiple ā€˜crusadesā€™ most of which will number less than 1000 marines. As they are all effectively independent they can handwave it by saying each is a different chapter.

Space wolf companies work in much the same way.

Basically no one gets a real ā€˜exemptionā€™ but you can fudge your numbers if you obey the spirit of the rule. No one can have the power of a legion and no one officer can command more than 1000 astartes.

Also I may be wrong on this but I donā€™t think scouts count towards the 1000 limit?

rigid cloak
tranquil umbra
rigid cloak
#

Question. Is there an equivalent of a ā€˜healing draughtā€™ in 40k for mere mortals?

storm jungle
#

Yes

#

basic medicine

#

the closest you might want is maybe narcotics, otherwise nada

real stone
#

Yeah, there's nothing quite as... immediate? as a healing draught

#

But also

#

have you noticed: The healing draught glows the same green color as warpstone?

#

are we drinking powdered warpstone?

#

Is that why they complain about the taste and the smell?

storm jungle
#

It has a temple of Shallya ribbon on it so no

#

the taste and smell complaint is mostly because most healing stuff even we drink IRL tend to taste awful lol

real stone
#

Isn't the convocation of decay level a temple of Shallya

plush mason
#

doesnt 40k have stims and the like?

storm jungle
#

Yeah like i said narcotics

storm jungle
plush mason
#

shallya was the godess of healing right?

storm jungle
#

Yep

rigid cloak
rigid cloak
storm jungle
#

Its really not

#

its just green > healing

#

its basic gameplay stuff

rigid cloak
# storm jungle Its really not

literally is. Warpstone is crystallised magic or 'chaos'. Healing draughts are ethers imbued with magic. Its as much a deliberate visual reference to the lore as a gameplay one

storm jungle
rigid cloak
#

šŸ»

earnest remnant
storm jungle
earnest remnant
#

Vermintide borrowed a bunch of things from the fantasy roleplay system, and darktide is going to borrow a bunch of things from Dark Heresy warhammer 40k roleplay, because it's just smart to do.

barren tapir
#

Only war i hope

final spruce
storm jungle
#

Man that was awhile ago

#

time flies

earnest remnant
# barren tapir Only war i hope

No, Dark Heresy, Only War is about being imperial guard, and regiments, and all that stuff, Dark Heresy is about the inquisition, and the characters in darktide are clearly based on inquisitorial acolytes.

signal hill
rigid cloak
barren tapir
earnest remnant
#

A TON of premade fantasy adventures are based around Ubersreik

signal hill
#

Reading that campaign book currently, good stuff
Gonna Run that soon
Sowas for the campaign that it was updated in basically every edition of that ruleset

earnest remnant
storm jungle
#

Yeah thats what I said earlier too

#

its just simple visual coding

#

"Green > health item"

shadow plover
#

No wonder the skaven are the most healthy faction

earnest remnant
#

IF they were magical healing they would have the symbol of Ghyran and the Jade College on them, not Shallya.

earnest remnant
storm jungle
#

Skaven are the epitome of health

#

just look at clan pestilence

earnest remnant
#

*Pestilens

storm jungle
#

same thing

#

Skrolk is so healthy, his inner juices are pouring out of his eyes

rigid cloak
#

Pretty sure they lampshade this in VT2 with Saltzspires 'miracles' from his priest class

earnest remnant
#

Blessings and Miracles are a thing in 4e, and throughout warhammer fantasy are implied to basically be the winds of magic filtered through their faith and/or their God's will, however healing draughts are commonplace enough that each of them being a miracle of Shallya is extremely improbable, the most you can get away with is saying that they're blessed by Shallya.

rigid cloak
#

r healing draughts are commonplace enough that each of them being a miracle of Shallya is extremely improbable

Well it is set during the Endtimes. I'd say if that Shallya was to go 'all in' on miracles it would be then.

#

Perhaps they are blessed in that time period, but rarely before?

earnest remnant
#

It's more likely Shallya is busy giving miracles in more important places through her priests, Saltzpyre has Sigmar's eye on him not to mention Kerillian constantly calling the attention of Isha, Kurnous, Lileath, Atharthi, Hekarthi and Morai-Heg

#

They've got plenty of divine intervention to go around without Shallya somehow remotely planting healing draughts in their path when her attention is best spent on her actual priests.

rigid cloak
earnest remnant
#

They're not magical.

#

They just glow green for convenience

rigid cloak
earnest remnant
#

As I said if, anything they're blessed by priests of Shallya, but they're not inherently magical.

rigid cloak
#

I'll take a 'possibly magical in VT' not always magical the rest of the time šŸ˜‰

earnest remnant
#

They're not inherently magical in VT either

storm jungle
earnest remnant
#

The human gods in warhammer very rarely bless actual objects.

#

Need I point out that despite Saltzpyre's devotion Sigmar didn't deign him with a single miracle until he became a proper war priest?

#

And the statue's hammer doesn't count as that can happen without Saltzpyre in the party.

#

The most independently active gods are the Chaos Gods and the Elven Gods

alpine ingot
vast frigate
shadow plover
#

I have a theory that works 90% of the time. It states that if a beer comes in a green bottle/can, it is terrible

rigid cloak
#

its a scientific fact

rose thorn
#

I hate that there is people who unironically believe the emperor was morally just

final spruce
#

Remember, there are people that also believe that the Imperium are the good guys.

rose thorn
#

True

zinc snow
#

The Khab had it right. Big E was terrible and so was the Imperium. But humanity no longer had other options for unification and general betterment.

#

Khan*

rose thorn
#

He brought humanity into a dictatorship, killed thousands of people and destroyed cultures and independent communities.

#

He pulled a Roman Empire

#

Like yeah techno Barbadianā€™s weā€™re the biggest problem, but he could have fixed that then it would have been fine.

#

At the time

zinc snow
#

Yup. But then you have to figure that without him doing that things like the xenocides would've instead been human genocides of all those cultures and fractured empires and planets that he brought to compliance

rose thorn
#

But from what he did he caused chaos to grow, if he did nothing then chaos would have died out naturally

zinc snow
#

Also. He didn't even destroy cultures unless they were blatantly incompatible with being shifted to align with the imperium(like chaos worshipping ones)

rose thorn
#

He destroyed all religion

atomic pelican
#

Or nonhuman ones

#

LMAO

zinc snow
rose thorn
#

The inquisition barely even exterminate

atomic pelican
#

Statistical issue. The imperium killed most "non-dangerous" xenos

#

The ones left are those capable of fighting the imperium

rose thorn
#

Exactly, or ones that they can exploit

atomic pelican
#

Also there rlly isnt a faction interested in genocide for genocides sake other than the imperium

#

And nids maybe but, theyre just after biomass

zinc snow
#

Necrons?

rose thorn
#

khorne but even then

zinc snow
#

Orks?

atomic pelican
#

Oh yeah

#

Necrons too

#

Orkz just after a fight

final spruce
#

Not anymore

rose thorn
final spruce
#

Now something a quarter of the Necrons are ok with humans acting as normal as long as they obey their dynasty

atomic pelican
#

Even the drukhari arent rlly interestrd in genocide for the purpose of genocide LMAO

#

Which is a funny technicality

final spruce
#

Well Drukahri are dependant on others, like chaos

atomic pelican
#

Yeee

zinc snow
#

Eldar and Tau are the only two that don't actively plan on murdering everything in the galaxy that isn't them

#

Lmao

atomic pelican
#

Thats like half the xeno factions

latent wigeon
final spruce
#

And unless, Drukhari begin to create the best, most comfy city in the world to create the most innocent and sincere humans just to be pain lifestocks, they can't just control em

zinc snow
#

And even then Tau still want to enslave them. So it's not really any better

vapid tiger
#

I mean tau enslave in the same sense that the imperium does

final spruce
vapid tiger
#

They have an oppressive system

zinc snow
vapid tiger
#

But it's not as oppressive as the imperium

atomic pelican
#

Mfw I am enslaved and have a better life as a Gue'vesa than I ever had as a imperial citizen

vapid tiger
#

i mean at least they don't have servitors

#

and 20 hour workdays

#

and they have safer working conditions

#

and safer living conditions

rose thorn
#

If you willingly join chaos at least if you die it wonā€™t be from working so hard your spinal cord breaks

atomic pelican
#

Ironically the tau, even while considering auxillaries to be lower, still value human life more than the imperium

zinc snow
atomic pelican
#

They are auxillaries

final spruce
atomic pelican
#

They are assigned based on their skills

vapid tiger
#

and they don't have insane lynch mobs prowling the streets led by mad preachers intermixed with cultists who worship occult demons who can get by because the imperial cult is doing the same thing but with extra gold and an official sanction and no demons

vapid tiger
atomic pelican
#

Only Tau go into the caste system with auxillaries functioning as support

zinc snow
#

And if they step out of line for those roles they are assigned then they'll get the same punishment as a Tau would. Or worse considering they are third class citizens.

vapid tiger
#

what punishment worse than death do the tau deal out tho

#

and cite a source

#

because being a servitor is worse than death but there's no servitors in the tau empire

atomic pelican
#

Yeah thats the thing

zinc snow
atomic pelican
#

Theres not alot bad you can find in ths tau empire that the imperium doesnt do the same, or worse

zinc snow
#

They basically super lobotomize you

vapid tiger
#

as far as i can remember the worst punishment for tau citizens is just death

atomic pelican
#

That isnt a thing

vapid tiger
#

i do not remember any lobotomization tau stuff

#

Grossest thing they did was those mock space marines wearing ultramarine armor that were just black sludge inside

latent wigeon
vapid tiger
#

Wait

#

Are you talking about the puretide chip

#

the one reserved for military commanders

atomic pelican
#

Yeah thats more like a cortana esque thing anyway

rose thorn
#

Wel time to embrace chaos and continue listening to the first heretic

atomic pelican
#

Basado

zinc snow
vapid tiger
#

Did phil kelly write it

atomic pelican
#

Honestly doubt, Phil has shockingly gone to bat for the tau recently

#

Even saying they csnt be chaos corrupted and such

zinc snow
#

Basically Tau are just the Imperium on a smaller scale and without the 10s of thousands of years of being screwed as a reasonable excuse for the behavior

atomic pelican
#

I would ask for a citation because we've had the tau talk 100s of times here and Ive never heard of that

vapid tiger
#

^

zinc snow
#

Trying to find it again

#

Fuck I can't find it right now on my shitty internet on my phone. I found it before looking up info on the Tau to research for Dark Heresy.

molten token
#

Tau cannot be chaos corrupted

barren tapir
#

They can

molten token
#

Tau are slowly getting the realization that the galaxy is a shithole and theres a reason so many species keep to themselves

#

Thats also my headcanon as to why they stopped getting meaningful xenos allies

#

GW, i'd like my check to be mailed directly to my doorstep, ty

#

They cannot get chaos corrupted cus no souls and they're brainwashed from birth to follow the "collective us" mentality of the greater good. They do not have selfish desires and wants to be exploited

barren tapir
#

They have souls

real stone
#

They do have souls, and it's mainly that they're a psychically insensitive race

#

BUT

#

that is changing

molten token
#

Theyre so small they may aswell not have it

#

Chaos tau will maybe be a thing in warhammer 100k

barren tapir
#

Correct, they are very bland as souls, but they still have it, and demons still feel them, they just prefer the humans one

molten token
#

So far theyre good

wide thistle
#

making chaos tau just to piss people off in tournaments lul

real stone
#

Over time they're becoming more psychically attuned, just like humans, and just like the eldar

barren tapir
# molten token So far theyre good

Not entirely correct, a water caste got possessed once, nurgle seems to getting interest in them, khorne once influenced an entire army...

#

They are good only because demons have better targets

wide thistle
barren tapir
#

The moment the better targets are not available anymore the tau are next

barren tapir
wide thistle
#

was it not in black library?

#

the water caste

#

sorry tired

molten token
#

Black library is filled with innacuracies and made up lore. Its a terrible source of info about anything. If something is not in the codex take it with a mug of salt

barren tapir
#

The water caste is an old one that cannot remember right now, the nurgle thing is recent and was a short story with startide nexus and the khorne thing was in CSM codex

wide thistle
real stone
#

shazam

barren tapir
#

People tend to hype up tau a bit too much imo, it make sense as compensation for all the hate they get, but people should try to be objective on them

molten token
wide thistle
storm jungle
#

Yeah its the same reason why Abnett's books are referred to as the "Abnettverse"

#

he takes way too many liberties

wide thistle
#

ig that makes sense

barren tapir
wide thistle
#

probably why there's such a difference in...
quality
of the books

barren tapir
#

I like Abnett a lot, but dammit keep him away from blanks

#

Although he gave us Bequin...

#

Now i'm conflicted

molten token
#

Bruh why are the grey knights psykers and not blanks bruh

barren tapir
#

Eh, i know why

#

Because they are too weak to be blanks AHAHAHAHAH

storm jungle
barren tapir
#

But in reality they have blanks too

molten token
#

Make a chapter of blanks and buckshot them into the eye of terror until they hit something important and kill it with their blank aura

storm jungle
#

Again

#

see above

real stone
barren tapir
real stone
#

that

#

is dumb

molten token
barren tapir
#

Hey, it is not me making the lore ok?

storm jungle
rose thorn
#

They practice a lot

barren tapir
#

But yes, grey knights can become blanks, and we already have simil blank SM with the silent sisterhood

storm jungle
#

GK basically have every psychic bullshit device

#

sine they are literally mary sues

barren tapir
molten token
#

Can daemons even do anything to blanks aside from rarity what stops them from 1 vs infinity'ing chaos daemons ezpz

storm jungle
#

they are just normal women

barren tapir
storm jungle
#

wha-

rose thorn
#

Iā€™ve heard that grey knights lore has improved as of late

barren tapir
rose thorn
#

But I donā€™t read gray knight lore

wide thistle
storm jungle
#

GK lore sucks

molten token
#

Gray knights are boring af ngl

storm jungle
#

Grey Knights?

#

more like uh

#

Boryingrey Knights

barren tapir
#

Grey knights are awful

rose thorn
#

Their game is fun at least

wide thistle
#

the armour is cool though

barren tapir
#

No redemption for them

rose thorn
#

Itā€™s so fucking over the top

molten token
#

Gray knights more like the ga-

storm jungle
#

šŸ’€

wide thistle
#

šŸ‘€

barren tapir
rose thorn
#

What exactly is bad about teh grey knight lore?

barren tapir
molten token
#

Dont u love that epic 40k exclusive experience of wanting to know something, opening it's mountainous wiki page, reading it, and still not getting anything

barren tapir
#

Dunno, i felt that at the start for a short time, then no more

storm jungle
#

they are the best at everything

#

got the Emperor's geneseed somehow

#

nobody can question them

#

they kill anyone they work with

#

or just mindwipe them

#

they are literally mini-custodes

#

lmao

molten token
#

40k fans when they open the wiki page of a guardsman's underwear and see it has 5 pages worth of lore stretching across 3 books half which contradict eachother ( It clearly shows how deep and well thought out the setting is, Fleshing out even the most minute details )

storm jungle
#

LOL

#

this is the same response i give when someone is like

#

"omg 40k beats every setting"

#

no

barren tapir
barren tapir
#

BTW, i was referring a meme DW

rose thorn
molten token
rose thorn
molten token
#

And it is 100% underwear

storm jungle
#

they are just "that special"

storm jungle
#

like

#

okay?

#

literally half the Imperium fights demons daily lmao

wide thistle
molten token
#

The wiki pages that describe all the gear issued to guardsmen never once mention cadian pattern whitey tighties

wide thistle
molten token
#

It greatly immerses me in the setting

storm jungle
#

can we edit that in

molten token
#

Too grimdark for underwear

storm jungle
#

or do we need permission from the wiki mods

latent wigeon
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ayo waddup why we talking underwear

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ask the mods to add in underwear specifications lul

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Toilet paper isnt mentioned either but they got the primer so ill let gw off the hook this time around

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do i sense disagreement on the internet?

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i can't have that

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šŸ‡ŗ šŸ‡³ D2 I_ E_ šŸ‡ø

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lmao

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Emperor was definitely a virgin

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LMAO

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Is there any lore to prove me wrong?

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tbh no

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even Erda is like someone he "recruited" more than banged

rose thorn
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He has the mindset of a political 4chan virgin

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Had

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Now his mindset is insanity

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40,000 years on no-fap and this will be you

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Wait was is he insane now? When he talked though Blueberry boy?

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Gulliman I have no clue why I blanked on his name

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His mind is....

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not well

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When he talks with Gman he basically experiences epilepsy overdose and like 5 voices saying different things

latent wigeon
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rowboat gorrilaman

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Robot gorillaman is my favorite synonym cuz its literally what he is

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Iā€™d love the idea that if he came back to life and heā€™s a fucking raging lunatic and began just fucking crashing the imperium into the ground

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He just needs to respawn already

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ROBUST GIRLYMAN

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Then Gulliman is like ā€˜yo dad, can you not?ā€™

and then they get into an argument or something and the imperium splits

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And thatā€™s the only way the emperors should ever return

latent wigeon
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yea but

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ROBUST

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Too late

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Ur already a soyjak to me

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Disagreeing with me cannot go unpunished

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wat

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So out of all the primarchs wh has the dumbest lore

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Tbh most of them are fine?

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imo their motivation for going traitor tend to be the dumbest

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"omg dad stole my kill"

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or

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"omg alien sword"

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"im emo, psycho and can see the future"

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that too

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"also i hate my dad"

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Konrad is a piece of shit

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To be fair montarious or how ever the fuck you spell green eggs and ham just hates being told what to do

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same dude that flayed a girl that was about to commit suicide alive btw lol

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real emo moment

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LEGIT

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Lmao

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Brainfart moment, who are wh

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Warhounds?

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Where

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What legion r u discussing

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Night lords

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Uh we are discussing primarchs not legions atm

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yeah atm its konrad

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Ah ok

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so technically night lords

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previous was Mortarion

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also known as Morty

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who has the Death Guardā„¢ļø

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Ahhhh thatā€™s how you spell it

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šŸ™

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Im never refering to him as morty

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Lol empy's little morty

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Morty is good

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"da didnt let me save some gladiator so now I hate him and everyone else around me cos I didnt die with him"

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Thats like his pet name

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