LMAO
#40k-lore-chat
final spruce
I'm pretty sure Horus turned traitor because he literally got Chaos infused
Or did they change that
twin shoal
the emperor did one prank on the chaos gods and got more power and someone just had to overreact about it
storm jungle
Yeah in the end its his fault
vapid tiger
Chaos wasn't a problem before the age of strife and ESPECIALLY the horus heresy which made things go from manageable to completely fucked
molten token
i remember in like middleschool i was so smug about being into 40k, a REALISTIC setting, unlike those star wars babies. see my faction has BULLETS, it has WHEELS , Its DARK and has 5 wiki pages worth of lore about the most miniscule thing so it means it was thought out extremely well. meanwhile the bolter's ejection port doesnt even line up with the barrel
trim cypress
Emperor wont talk to me 😦
Guess I better murder literally everyone 🙂
Smart guy that Horus
storm jungle
i remember in like middleschool i was so smug about being into 40k, a REALISTIC ...
🫂
final spruce
the DAOT humanity was doing fine without genociding anyone
So was the Interex
storm jungle
Yep
vapid tiger
i remember in like middleschool i was so smug about being into 40k, a REALISTIC ...
That was me too
twin shoal
its like if i pranked dilara once and she erased my existence from the time line
vapid tiger
Then I grew up
twin shoal
bit of an over reaction
vapid tiger
And realized
"Wow this shit is dumb and whacky actually"
vapid tiger
"Wait why aren't those other adults agreeing"
"W-why are those grown ass men acting like middle school me"
trim cypress
I do like Magnus though, mostly cause 1k sons have a really neato aesthetic
twin shoal
I do like Magnus though, mostly cause 1k sons have a really neato aesthetic
aw thanks
vapid tiger
I think mortarion's the better edgelord than the night haunter tbh
trim cypress
I wish we got a Space Marine game from a thousand son perspective
twin shoal
whos the dude with a bunch of spikes in his head that make him kill
trim cypress
Hunting magical relics with the boys, building pyramids
storm jungle
Angron
trim cypress
twin shoal
is he cool? ive not seen much about him
vapid tiger
New imperial fists hh rules are fucking op compared to the traitor legion rules revealed so far in the whc articles
And the leaks
twin shoal
mind you i havent gone looking ether
storm jungle
is he cool? ive not seen much about him
His story is pretty tragic
but hes also a dumbass
trim cypress
Isnt the TLDR for Angron that he worshipped the Emps and got humiliated for it
vapid tiger
Angron has a stupid name but at least they explained it with something that isn't convoluted
It's his slave gladiator name to please crowds
trim cypress
Or was that someone else
storm jungle
Isnt the TLDR for Angron that he worshipped the Emps and got humiliated for it
thats Lorgar
basically imagine Judas but Space
trim cypress
I mix them up all the time
final spruce
Angron - Angry
trim cypress
Nerd Primarch 
storm jungle
Magnus is a much bigger nerd
Lorgar loves books but mostly for religious reasons
his sigil IS a book
📖
final spruce
But Magnus was a chad tho
vapid tiger
A burning book because the imperial heralds originally were just avid book burners
storm jungle
yeah the demon symbol got added later
vapid tiger
and fanboys claim the imperium isn't based off the nazis 
vapid tiger
They're nazi romans
molten token
and fanboys claim the imperium isn't based off the nazis <:lul:82583625585367454...
its based off rome and fuedal fantasy kingdoms for the most part
trim cypress
Also ngl but if I'm hanging with one guy who looks like hellboy and another who is covered in creepy eyes I'd be a little suspect of their motives
final spruce
I mean the nazi took the roman symbol and appropriated it
Like they appropriated the swas
vapid tiger
its based off rome and fuedal fantasy kingdoms for the most part
With a lot of fascism thrown in my man
storm jungle
the Imperium and 40k was made in the 80's when Thatcher was controlling UK
and you know how her ruling was
its genuinely not romans
vapid tiger
It DOES have roman influence
storm jungle
theres a reason the Imperial eagle is so sharp edged
storm jungle
Yeeee, fascism is just a part of it
molten token
With a lot of fascism thrown in my man
r u saying those 2 cultures were progressive and welcoming
final spruce
Watch this woman destroy her country in 1 single ruling
molten token
lmao
storm jungle
Ghazghkull still has that thatcher spelling in his name
trim cypress
Yeah it definitely has roman influences, mostly in relation to the space marines / naming conventions
molten token
14 year old me reading and nodding along the land raider's schematics showing how it can tank apartment sized plasma balls while it has less protective layering than a ww2 abrams tank
vapid tiger
r u saying those 2 cultures were progressive and welcoming
no but you don't have to be unprogressive and unwelcoming to be fascist
I mean culturally the whole death cult revolving around heroism and encouragement of hatred and the narrative of a glorious past to be reclaimed is very much in line with ego's parameters
molten token
BRO
CERAMITE
storm jungle
SHUT UP
but yeah the Imperium has a lot of fascist influences
down to its racism of other species, propaganda among other stuff
also concentration camps but sssh
vapid tiger
Ask phil kelly what color unpainted ceramite is and watch him begin to melt
storm jungle
vapid tiger
what.
Also don't ask what the imperium did to the guys who decided to live alongside aliens peacefully in the great crusade
storm jungle
[redacted]
molten token
but yeah the Imperium has a lot of fascist influences
eldar are totally racist-ier than humans though. 99% of xenos actively wanna murder/brainwash humanity but eldar are legit like " bro u fugly go get genocided by nids while we do nothing "
vapid tiger
Also don't ask what space marines do in the fortress monastery dormatories and shower rooms
storm jungle
also would you want to interact with a society of gorillas that wave shotguns everywhere and want to kill you the moment they see you
molten token
humanity is mostly on the defence too
storm jungle
Nope
the Imperium actively seeks out planets and enemies
its what its built on
the moment they find any human civilization or aliens that dont comply they genocide them
storm jungle
Yeah the Imperium runs on the blood of its own people as much as the "enemies" it faces
vapid tiger
I mean the eldar WILL burn down a town of innocents randomly to align with a prophecy or prevent one but that's like
atomic pelican
Legit
vapid tiger
That's evil but not quite as evil as what the cruellest and most bloody regime imaginable does
storm jungle
Yeah Eldar might do evil shit but thats rare and far between
humans commit atrocities all the time
atomic pelican
Yeah Craftworlds atleast usually dont do it for the exclusive purpose of genocide
Unless Biel Tan
vapid tiger
40k writers struggling not to steal from dune b like 
storm jungle
molten token
bro i hate the horus heresy era so much. it's cool as it's own thing but as a prequel to 40k it really downplays how bad it is. it's like OH HUMANITY IS A SHADOW OF IT'S FORMER SELF! ITS OBSESSED WITH RELIGIOUS ICONOGRAPHY, GENOCIDE AND CRUDE BIONICS.. oh.. those things already were in it's golden era?
atomic pelican
Yeah the golden era of humanity was probably more evil LMAO
Since it was in its prime
vapid tiger
I agree but I also like the hh from the perspective that the black books provide
It's like how I dislike the star wars prequels but like the clone wars as an era
storm jungle
This is a correct take yeah
the larger narrative is dumb af but the little stories in it are good
molten token
I agree but I also like the hh from the perspective that the black books provide...
yo same. i can't recall more than 3 scenes from the movie but i love the era
vapid tiger
And at least the original angle of the FIRST hh book in the original trilogy was that "the imperium was always bad"
And then later books went "EHHHHH BUT THEY'RE MIGHTY HEROIC LOYALIST SPACE MARINES"
Horus Rising is p good
vapid tiger
the larger narrative is dumb af but the little stories in it are good
I love the uh
Story of this random istvaan 3 survivor in the first hh black book
Where he cuts into a cargo container to hide from the virus with his squad and then ends up hiding in a pile of bodies while wounded and then the traitors of his legion catch up with him
Only to be murdered by loyalist mechanicum thallax
molten token
i used to be 100% certain the star wars movies were based on the lego and i used to be so inquisitive looking at my minifigs than the characters going " tsk, they got this so SO wrong"
vapid tiger
And then he and other collected survivors and the thallax have a last stand
And the techpriest hijacks a fellblade and then the guy blacks out and is dragged away
Later becomes a blackshield
cerulean wagon
the issue with HH isnt the fact they added detail to it or covered some of the battles
storm jungle
i used to be 100% certain the star wars movies were based on the lego and i used...
Fellow Lego: Star Wars Enjoyer spotted
vapid tiger
Who survives to tell his account to the in-universe writer of the black books which implies that there's a death guard loyalist geneseed chapter out there somewhere?
cerulean wagon
the issue with HH is that the books try to say "no this is everything that happened ever during the HH"
which like, misses the point entirely
vapid tiger
Yes
I think that's more of a novel issue since the uh
Black books are like a historian's take on it and are still very like
"Time of legends"
And present conflicting accounts and go "WE WILL NEVER KNOW THE TRUTH"
twin shoal
wow that was some read pretty much summed up as cringe naynay baby gets angry too much
and also his dad is an asshole
vapid tiger
Whereas you also have 80+ novels and short stories that are like
storm jungle
wow that was some read pretty much summed up as cringe naynay baby gets angry to...
FDJDFS
Yeah you got the gist
vapid tiger
"Okay we must cover EVERYTHING and EVERY CHARACTER and EVERYTHING has to be explained"
storm jungle
Angron is mostly a good character but is also a massive fuckwit
who destroyed his legion
by being a shit parent
the Emperor is also a brainlet because the plot demands it
vapid tiger
Like I do not give a fuck about what primarch mcwhatever cares about and his baby drama he's having with lord commander whatever of the dork blades legion
twin shoal
he should of left angron to die or hell help him by just giving him power armor and saying have at it
vapid tiger
I wanna know about the cool battles where marines beat the shit out of each other
And just murdered each other and died in droves
storm jungle
he should of left angron to die or hell help him by just giving him power armor ...
Yeah this is one of the many moments of uh
the Emperor in HH acting like an idiot
for no reason
The writers try to explain it with lazy shit like "he doesnt understand humans" or whatever
but its really really bad
vapid tiger
I always found it weird that the Emperor wasn't like
"I will join your last stand then"
"And if we live you have to command the legion"
twin shoal
for no reason
theres a reason its: writer got board of slave world arc
vapid tiger
Because he made similar agreements with other primarchs
Like mortarion where he's like "ok kill the 18 foot tall monster man on the mustard gas mountain by yourself and I'll leave you alone"
storm jungle
Magnus and Krug make better explanations than half the Black Library writing team
rose thorn
I heard a theory that the emperor knew that like half of his primarch would betray him and he kinda knew which ones would and wouldn’t
twin shoal
emperor: i will not manhandle you off this planet instead of letting you die cus im never wrong and you are joining us because im the emperor and i say so
vapid tiger
He was probably planning on letting the space marines wipe each other out and then culling the remnants
He got rid of the thunder warriors
Marines were next
Then chaos intervenes because the emperor is fucking
Stupid idiot terran warlord
storm jungle
Also Imperial apologists are like "omg the emperor was super special" when he was just a Level.100 Mafia Caveman that had the biggest stick at the time
atomic pelican
Rlly love seeing ppl talk abt how the emperor couldve solo'd all the primarchs when Horus killed him
atomic pelican
Yeeee
vapid tiger
There are multiple pieces of lore where the emperor nearly dies to orks
MULTIPLE TIMES
and MULTIPLE TIMES horus saves him
Once at ullanor and another at some mekboy scrap moon
vapid tiger
Maybe the one to kill the emperor will be ghazghkull because the emperor has a habit of getting himself nearly murdered by random orks
twin shoal
emperor: i didnt die officer you got the wrong guy id never die i cant ever die im not cringe like mortals are
vapid tiger
The funniest part is that both times it says he was "seperated" from his custodian guards
Like
Did he raise his sword and yell "LEEROYYYY JENKINS" every time he saw orks?
twin shoal
isnt the custodian guard like there only reason for existing is to GUARD THE FUCKING EMPEROR
vapid tiger
"Oh fuck guys there he goes again"
"Aaaand we lost him"
has specially created bodyguard made to guard you
fucking leaves them and nearly dies
surprised
THIS HAPPENS TWICE
twin shoal
emperor: my loyal custodians LOOK OVER THERE
runs in while they are looking where he pointed
vapid tiger
and horus has to save his ass
Probably fueled the heresy itself
Horus thinking "man i could do a way better job than that idiot i keep having to save"
trim cypress
You think they'll confirm big E as a chaos god at some point?
vapid tiger
No they'll make him a super special order god
twin shoal
i mean if you read some of the lore for the indomitus crusade with good ole roobooty gillman he kind of is already
he is feeding off of the cicatrix maldictum
vapid tiger
They already managed to turn the great rift into something that benefits the emperor
Thanks guy haley
trim cypress
He always seemed like the 40k equivalent of Malal in Fantasy
Oh wait they added Malal in 40k
molten token
Lmao
tranquil umbra
Yeah Eldar might do evil shit but thats rare and far between
Dillara beig an eldar apologist i this very server is heresy
storm jungle
twin shoal
<a:fyrocspin1:944770401312059392>
someones got to be
rose thorn
I don’t like how be’lakor looks like, 80% khrone, like 10% slaanesh, and like 5% nurgle and tzeetch
I love da model tho jjst wish he looked like more of a combo of all the gods styles
dk i mighe just be dumb tho
deep fractal
So I am finishing up Cain's Last Stand. I really enjoyed the books so far, but now I have a question on the lore.
Do all Commissars get an aide like Cain has Jurgan? Or is it an Honour that Cain earned?
supple plume
I think Cain is trusting enough
Most commissars are paranoid bastards
Who won't trust anyone having their back
storm jungle
So I am finishing up Cain's Last Stand. I really enjoyed the books so far, but n...
Entirely up to the commissar
Cain basically just has Jurgen because he trusts him and likes him to a degree
a commissar can practically just point at anyone in a regiment they're in and go "You're gonna be my aide."
barren tapir
And in the case of Cain it is also because Jurgen is a blank, and Cain know enough to know that one of them is a greater protection against psychic stuff
molten token
you ever notice how slaanesh stans are so hesitant to admit he is the god of sex and weirdass fetishes?
Like they pretty much fight tooth and nail to convince you slaanesh being the avatar of pleasure and excess means he is the god of midnight snacking and being really into woodworking
barren tapir
Because that is what it is
It is the symbol of excess, and excess can be found in pretty damn anything
barren tapir
At least not only sex
storm jungle
Yeeee
Like they pretty much fight tooth and nail to convince you slaanesh being the avatar of pleasure and excess means he is the god of midnight snacking and being really into woodworking
this is literally what slaanesh is
the creepy excess stuff
barren tapir
Like the painter that want to make the perfect paint
Or the sculptor that want to create the perfect statue
molten token
his daemons are running around in bdsm clothing and have exposed boobs
storm jungle
They got one man-boob
your argument is INVALID
also they look like mole-rats so kinda
barren tapir
That is because they are androgyn, and that is because that let them feel more feelings than a single gender
Also claws
atomic pelican
Also cuz their designs are older
Modern slaanesh designs focus on other aspects alot
molten token
Im just saying the slaaneshi warbands are very tame. Like you see khorne and nurgle being THE BLOOD TAKERS, THE DECAY SPREADERS and slaanesh is like the flawless host. they should be branding themselves THE SEX HAVERS
molten token
Modern slaanesh designs focus on other aspects alot
Its cuz parents wouldnt buy their kids csm boxes if it mentioned it
barren tapir
Like, they have drugs in them, they secrete drugs that poison the air around them
molten token
Books talking about slaanshi realms describe massive penis forests
atomic pelican
Excessive pain is genuinely probs the biggest thing
Thus the spikes on everything
And the Hellraiser influence
In terms of design
Hellflayers and the human Harp as examples
barren tapir
Books talking about slaanshi realms describe massive penis forests
No one is saying that sex isn't part of slaneesh, but it is not the only thing, also penis are used as symbols for other stuff other than sex
final spruce
Books talking about slaanshi realms describe massive penis forests
Only one that did irc was Ian Watson
You don't wanna compare stuff to Ian Watson
molten token
Is he the same one who wrote about that slaaneshi daemon that has smaller daemons connected to his crotch
rose thorn
what?
storm jungle
Slaanesh realms are just hellraiser but pink
there isnt anything sexual in any of its art appearances
frosty cobalt
Yea its just excess
storm jungle
rose thorn
no one is saying they aernt sexual, but its a simple part, thrones to cause as much suffeirng and pain and beautiy and shit like that
also they need an artistic way to make slaanesh unique so BDSM
frosty cobalt
I still wanna make a csm kill team that is “perfected” in all their parts
rose thorn
khrone is like the usual satan shit, nurgle is rotting dr suess shit, tzeetch is random shapes covered in eyes and bird beaks, and slaanesh is crabs and bdsm
molten token
Chaos gods are fueled by strong emotions that relate to them. I think the whole excess part is really downplayed. Like khorne is the god of bloodshed but he isnt gonna care about some guy taking weekly blood tests or gets paper cut often
rose thorn
also sex is an amazing way to attract people who work 20 hour work shifts on imperial planets
frosty cobalt
Yall need the greater good
rose thorn
literally even whispers of the idea of slaanesh have caused entire planets to convert to slaanesh cults
molten token
The only strong emotion i get from eating too much is shame not ecstasy
scenic bolt
it's why a bunch of slaaneshi cults tend to start from the top parts of a society
give excess to the people who already have it all
pre-fall eldar type stuff
rose thorn
slaanesh appeals to literallye veryone
greatest warriors get all the worship and glory they thinl they deserve
storm jungle
Yeah excess can take almost any form
molten token
Slaanesh should have been nurgles nemesis not khorne tbh
rose thorn
well they have like
zero over cross
overcross?
thats not a word
overlap
meanwhile khrone and slaanesh have a shit load of overlap
storm jungle
Yeah this
molten token
Khorne and tzeench are like such obvious rivals come on GW
storm jungle
Slaanesh is everything Khorne hates
plush mason
doesnt the whole sex bit of slaanesh come from the obsession bit of their domain?
scenic bolt
it's the part the 40k community obsesses over the most
plush mason
cause nerds be horny fucks
rose thorn
Oh yeah obsession feeds a shit load of Slaanesh
plush mason
excess and obsession are its 2 main domains iirc
storm jungle
it's the part the 40k community obsesses over the most
This
plush mason
yes
storm jungle
and I do mean anything
so slaanesh kinda sadly falls to the coomer influence
when literally half the shit they do is hedonism
molten token
Bruh slaaneshs main thing is being so attractive you cant look at him and not become a tier 3 simp
plush mason
slaanesh is a herm btw. so not a he or a she but both lol
storm jungle
Yeah im just lazy and call them a "she"
plush mason
lol fair
barren tapir
The only strong emotion i get from eating too much is shame not ecstasy
Have you tried with a jar of nutella?
plush mason
also sex is an **amazing** way to attract people who work 20 hour work shifts on...
sex always sells
rose thorn
Yup
dusk knot
slaanesh is a herm btw. so not a he or a she but both lol
Them works too
molten token
Tbh slaaneshi daemons should have been modeled after sunday morning dads in nothing but their boxers and socks wielding a root beer 12 pack
rose thorn
nah thats daemons of nurgle
meager wing
we do not see enough slaaneshi followers that are just obese space marines that eat people whole
rose thorn
hopefully we get something like that when a EC codex drops if ever
I think it would be super cool is the faction gimmick is like, a snow ball affect or something. Like you need to keep doing X in order to get buffs
Like a gluttony subfaction maybe is healing wounds or something,
rose thorn
YEAHHHH
molten token
Like a gluttony subfaction maybe is healing wounds or something,
I think maybe the opposite. Like they get bored just shooting or slicing the enemy so they got to make variations and the more of them you do the more the ecstasy bar or whatever gets filled up
rose thorn
OH THATS A GOOD POINT
twin shoal
those lads got **DRIP**
DRIP so sick it killed anyone who saw it
rose thorn
I think maybe the opposite. Like they get bored just shooting or slicing the ene...
That would work really well already since EC are good at both melee, range, and a lil bit of pyker abilities
Maybe every sub faction has different things that fill the bar
maybe based off of the circles of Slaanesh
molten token
I have no idea how complex faction rules are nowadays lol
twin shoal
the noise he makes is my reaction to those models
molten token
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120201105_Glu...
Bruh whats with slaanesh and crab hands lmao
I never got that
rose thorn
I have no idea how complex faction rules are nowadays lol
It varies, but a handful of factions basically got completely reworked in my opinion. Like Chaos Knightd are vastly different
atomic pelican
Pinch = sensation
molten token
It should be like a tentacle
rose thorn
Bruh whats with slaanesh and crab hands lmao
Crabs are the perfect species
Everything evolves into crabs
storm jungle
my own headcannon was that this aspect is combined with the classic BDSM association with clamps and restraints. A crab claw isn't associated with slicing / cutting, but with painful grabbing/holding.
storm jungle
Pinch = sensation
or literally what Proud said lmao
twin shoal
my own headcannon was that this aspect is combined with the classic BDSM associa...
they GET you
storm jungle
🦀
twin shoal
thats what crab claws do
molten token
Lol slaanesh is really into puns
Whats the deal with tzeench and birds
Birds are legit the dumbest animal
rose thorn
A; completely disagree
atomic pelican
Ravens are a sign of both intelligence and meddling
storm jungle
^
atomic pelican
And yeah birds are wildly intelligent
twin shoal
corvids are very smart
rose thorn
B; birds are crazy natural instincts
atomic pelican
Not just mimic too, iirc theyre capable of rudimentary language
twin shoal
i saw some ravens once were putting trash in a bin cus they saw humans do it
storm jungle
Yeah but overall as everyone said birds got a lot of intelligence/knowledge/wisdom elements
twin shoal
you want a dumb animal:horses
rose thorn
And dog bulls
storm jungle
that too
twin shoal
you can throw a blanket over a horses head and it will think it is asleep and stay that way till it dies of dehydration
molten token
I think tzeench should have been like chameleons and snakes
The bird aesthetics are sometimes really goofy looking too
rose thorn
We already got a lizard faction tho
We can’t double dip or else ppl could get confused
twin shoal
ur goofy lookin
LAUNGUAGE!! 😠
molten token
ur goofy lookin
Ill never be as goofy as a giantass blue bird in a tuga
twin shoal
Ill never be as goofy as a giantass blue bird in a tuga
whats a tuga
storm jungle
I think he meant toga
molten token
Uh yea that
rose thorn
I love all the daemon factions, they are all so weird and unqiue
That’s why I’m starting to just stack up on all of them
molten token
First time i saw a horror was in dawn of ear and it gave off really different vibes than what it actually looks like
twin shoal
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8c/01/59/8c0159889cdbf0d9f823129d5235e3bb.jpg
bald headed ass turkey
molten token
Why are they giving nurgle tentacles now what is plaguey about tentacles
rose thorn
Okay so I know this one
molten token
Lol
rose thorn
There are several funguses that grow tentacles to spread spores
rose thorn
And moths do it too to spread hormones
molten token
And moths do it too to spread hormones
Wut le fuq
Bro i think gw really didnt do all this research lmao
storm jungle
it just looks cool
dont question it lmao
but a lot of what Maggie says is true
they literally just choose any gross insect like magots and flies and add em in
the only thing i dont know is the bell motif
rose thorn
but a lot of what Maggie says is true
Havdjdhsbb thank you
storm jungle
NO PROBLEM
but yeah my guess on bells is the leprosy thing of the ye olden days where lepers used to carry aroudn and ring them to alert people they were sick
so theres some good irony to that
rose thorn
I’m so tempted to make a death guard army
storm jungle
death guard are really cool
molten token
Plague marines i feel are the biggest victims of the cutesy space marine effect where their proportions and helmets make them look adorable
Especially the big eye ones
Like the guy in the top left
rose thorn
Im@so tempted to make a pyker focussd DG army, with a shit load of daemons
storm jungle
Like the guy in the top left
they are just jolly boyz
rose thorn
I use to not like them but the jolly songs of death and rot is too amaizng to hate
rose thorn
Do just wish the ferrymen had more lore, a pirate themed death guard army that sing sailor songs while breaching ships is amazing, but most of what I said is head cannon
molten token
I really like the twist of nurgle being the jolly caring santa like god that eliminates your mental and physical pain but they just look so gross that it actively pushes people away from worshipping him
molten token
Lol
storm jungle
I really like the twist of nurgle being the jolly caring santa like god that eli...
Yeah some people think Nurgle actually makes you enjoy life
when theres a scene in a book from last year
where the touch of nurgle disappears from some death guard
and they fucking scream in terror at what they become
molten token
Lmao
storm jungle
its really all just an abusive illusion
rose thorn
TAHTS FUCKING AMAZING
storm jungle
even in the preview images of darktide the zombies got creepy rictus grins
molten token
So its like reverse anorexia where they think they look so much better than they do
storm jungle
Yeah exactly
they are happy to spread plagues
and become more bloated
its more just uh they dont think they look pretty
they just think its good that they are this way
molten token
So they're basically nickocado avocado
storm jungle
LMAO
harsh but true
Steeped in the power of their diabolical god, the effect on the Plague Marines was far greater. They moaned and fell down, some stone dead. Others shrieked as if the horror of their condition had suddenly become plain to them. Time seemed out of joint. There was nothing but shouting all around him.
molten token
Bro i dig the zombie and death aesthetics of nurgle but the bloated pus and snot filled part of it pushes me away
storm jungle
Yeaaah uh
Nurgle has a lot of gross stuff
thats not even the surface
the books go down to stuff like the death guard mentioning they got maggots stuck down their throats
molten token
Bro i swear there needs to be like a sensitivity warning for insects and snot like there is for gore or something
Maggots are epic though
molten token
Lmao
You know i still dont get what powers khorne gives you. Like slaanesh gives u speed, reflexes, nurgle turns u into a tank, tzeench makes u a master manipulator future reading wizard
Khorne makes you angry and like, hit stuff better
Ooooo
storm jungle
Yeah thats
literally it
like i said hes just the most basic chaos god
aka red satan man
rose thorn
I think khorne is less about what the god is but the people who follow them
storm jungle
Yeah but what Mad said is actually correct
he basically just buffs you up and makes you more angry
its pretty basic but khorne really doesnt have any gimmicks
rose thorn
I really like how one of the main motives to follow khrone is revenge
molten token
He is like the only god where you may be objectively worse off with his good gifts. Like unless youre a SM getting more muscle mass and anger issues is really just gonna get you blammed faster
rose thorn
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the most common khrone cults are either just soldiers who want to be better soldiers and people who are crave revenge against like, a political figure or something
molten token
TFW you work for years to get khornes magical superpowers that can be obtained by just buying steroids from a gymbro behind planet fitness
storm jungle
HOUSE GOLIATH MOMENT
storm jungle
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the most common khrone cults are either just soldie...
A lot of this and sometimes just underground fighter rings
for example
in necromunda
rose thorn
Oh that’s cool
storm jungle
the khorne cult is just the corpsegrinder faction
who just get a bloodlust from processing people into food
lmao
rose thorn
Wait what is the corpse grinder faction?
molten token
Theyre literally what you said
rose thorn
I’ve seen people run them as khrone cultists and that’s all I know
storm jungle
huh they are nice
https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120599013_CorpseGrinderCult01.jpg
molten token
Theyre mini khorne berzerkers who are also cannibals
molten token
Bruh even chaos marines dont get helmets this fancy
rose thorn
Yet
molten token
Dont give me hope
storm jungle
Yup
theres no hope to give
World Eaters are coming
as their own faction no less
GW teased them in an event awhile ago, all we got atm is a teaser picture of what their chainaxes will look like
plush mason
chainaxe>chainsword enough said
molten token
I legit never played or will play the tabletop but i still get hyped for new releases cuz im such a lore junkie i get excited by just expanding how things look in this universe
storm jungle
dude same
i will never touch tabletop
but the models SLAP
speaking of heres the ""current" world eater models
arent they just wonderful
rose thorn
I want to play table top so bad
But I have literally no one to play with
Here’s my loop
‘Oh fuck YEHA I’d love to make this army’
buys shit work on it for like 2 weeks
‘Oh yeah…. I forgot’
molten token
GW pls make a kill team 4 dummiez box
storm jungle
molten token
Lmao
molten token
Oh come on this guy looks like a total dweeb but the rest are epic
storm jungle
these models are almost a decade old
rose thorn
And I don’t want to waste time on an army that will end up being shit or something
storm jungle
honestly Mag
rose thorn
And would rather wiat
storm jungle
just collect any unit you want and play any army you want
thats what id do
the rules are the last thing i care about lmao
rose thorn
Fair
atomic pelican
Honestly at a casual level u can goon with basically any army
storm jungle
Marines are the most advertised
they are also the most easy to paint
but thats basically just to hook more people into that train
rose thorn
especially since they are gonna be eventually updated
Exactly
I want to play emperors children lmao
storm jungle
Lmao yeah
atm the World Eaters are coming to town
no idea when Emperors Children will get their stuff
but its probably awhile away
molten token
Slaanesh marines have the best looking horror aesthetics. The whole stretched skin and giant bug eyes is so off putting
rose thorn
I was gonna just work on a word bearers army and focus on daemon summoning but that’s gonna change when the codex drops
So all I can do is wait and work on my HQs
God I love HQs
Idk why they are just so appealing to me
molten token
Am i the only one who thinks iron warriors look wrong wearing anything that isnt that decepticon soundwave looking helmets
molten token
This looks like a marine cosplaying as an iron warrior
molten token
they look really good in the 30k helmets
Arent those what i posted
rose thorn
im also tempted to get chaos knights, but i need to find a theme id like
molten token
The new chaos knight with the skeleton dog head and claws is really cool
I really like how they made smt unique and not just a knight with spikes and like skulls on ot
It*
molten token
How are u gonna kitbash smt like that
You mean like attaching spider legs to their pauldrons?
rose thorn
A: Fallout hobbies made chaso knight psider legs for sale
molten token
You can use some of the billion necron spyder looking things for it
rose thorn
B; gloom spit gitz
im not sure tho i gotta be 100% devoted to an idea
ive been thinking of doing like, GSC themed knights
OH WAIT I GOT AN IDEA
molten token
Like, as in paint scheme or give him a nid head
rose thorn
slapping a buncg of GSC icons and stuff
molten token
Yea that could work
Wonder if its been done already so u can have some reference or idea how it would look more or less
rose thorn
beastmen themed chaos knights
oh yeah iots already been done
acutally i might do chaos knights beast men i love beast men
rose thorn
oh yeah thats bawler
rose thorn
wait hey does anyone know if beastmen in AOS are fun yet?
or are they still like
unfun
vapid tiger
This looks like a marine cosplaying as an iron warrior
Eh I think they're fine
molten token
How would a beastman knight look different from like a khorne one?
vapid tiger
Goat head
rose thorn
beastmen are chaos undivided
chains horns goat shit
vapid tiger
Baphomet
rose thorn
actually, each knight based around the differnet goat men would ne cool
molten token
I keep forgetting khorne isnt goat themed. Weird it would work really well
rose thorn
like the khorne ones, tzeetch ones, slaanesh ones
or jsut the beastmen clans in general
GOAT KNIGHTS FUCK YEAH
ight im all fo rit
molten token
Go getem tiger
lyric ember
Do noise marines have a preffered genre of music
lyric ember
Like do they slaughter legions of guardsmen in slaaneshs name to beethoven
plush mason
screamo
lyric ember
M'kay
storm jungle
they worship the concept of it more than one specific thing
storm jungle
...
Uhhh
okay yes
pretty much same as how Death Guard like plagues, Word Bearers love demons, World Eaters love axes, the Noise Marines love noise
tulip tundra
more like an obsession for sound
plush mason
hell in dow2 they literally shoot white noise lol
tulip tundra
hell in dow2 they literally shoot white noise lol
blastmaster or base?
plush mason
blastmaster or base?
the base
lyric ember
Noise marines are that one guy in teamchat with his 3.99 mic down his throat screaming like he's about to get axe murdered
storm jungle
DFSKJDS
Oh my god wait
this is whats it like having a noise marine on your team
plush mason
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553660317792468993/978367236899217448/ASM...
my ears are bleeding
lyric ember
Whats fucking worse is when they have speakers instead of headphones
And they dont have push-to-talk
tulip tundra
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553660317792468993/978367236899217448/ASM...
tinnitus speedrun any%
lyric ember
Jokes on you i was born with that
plush mason
some of that actually sounded like the dow2 noise marine attacks lol
lyric ember
Jokes on you i was born with that
EEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEE
Either that or mosquitos
tulip tundra
I feel ya, I have many loud brothers and listen to music a little too high
vapid tiger
this is whats it like having a noise marine on your team
"Guys guys isn't this so totally awesome guys BRAPBRAPBRAPBRAPBRAP"
vapid tiger
Perturabo holds his ears and swears over and over
tulip tundra
brother(?) , get the heavybassboostedfart.mp4
vapid tiger
I really don't think gender identity would matter much to noise marines and they'd happily still go by "brother" and male pronouns just because they don't give a shit
lyric ember
That video is so loud that my phone at lowest possible volume is louder than my fan
vapid tiger
Although I'm also biased because even though slaanesh is depicted as hermaphroditic I still imagine him as primarily masculine
lyric ember
I forget slaanesh exists
Like
They dont do anything
Tzeentch is at least probably doing something
Or maybe he's doing nothing and waiting to do something
Who knows
But at least it's in character
Slaanesh is somewhere snorting cocaine off of a babies ribcage
tulip tundra
GW has declared modern stories to be only affected by Major Fart Lord
lyric ember
Mhm
Man i need to start writing
My goal for the summer is to finish a rough draft of at least one major thing
tulip tundra
more power to ya, my goal is to not melt in this heatwave
lyric ember
I hear ya
tulip tundra
I swear I forget how hot summer gets every year
lyric ember
Im from pretty much canada and living in texas
tulip tundra
ouch
tranquil umbra
you guys mentioned noise marines
tulip tundra
They are loud
tranquil umbra
theres a dude that snorts people right
brittle nebula
Yes
tranquil umbra
he turns them into dust with the soundblasters
storm jungle
Well not a "dude"
the noise marines did that to the hive poplulations of terra during the siege
the Emperor's Children literally did jackshit
and just went off to do their own thing on the planet
they also smashed their flesh into narcotics too
tranquil umbra
yeah they got bored waiting for perty boys to kick them doors
storm jungle
Pretty much
vapid tiger
It's something that ended up causing a war between them and the sons of horus in the eye of terror after the siege
Well
Contributing to it
It was mainly over slaves and territory
The emperor's children won that
But were broken as a legion by this
tranquil umbra
afaik every single one of the traitors fought after the heresy
vapid tiger
As were the sons of horus
vapid tiger
afaik every single one of the traitors fought after the heresy
Yes
I'm just talking about a notable mass conflict immediately following the heresy
It's important to the uh
frosty cobalt
yea it was basically "hey we cant get the 3rd to do anything" "well lets just toss them at something and hype it up, maybe they will break through"
vapid tiger
Talon of Horus book
plush mason
so where blackstone fortresses always a thing? cause i have only seen them recently
brittle nebula
I’m not sure
They are ancient. Near golden age old I believe.
It says the Blackstone fortresses were discovered in the 33 millennium. It also says they could be old enough to have been around during the War in Heaven.
storm jungle
Yeah what Ves said
@plush mason They were created by the Eldar smith-god Vaul to kill the C'tan with concentrated firepower
after that they were just kinda... left to float lol
the lore on them is really iffy since they've been rewritten a lot
plush mason
lol still the one they used to shatter cadia was well used i would say
brittle nebula
There was 7 know Blackstone fortresses I believe. I have no idea how many of them were compromised. I think one was under the control of an Eldar Corsair band.
storm jungle
Chaos corsairs actually
the Red Corsairs got one
others are either unmanned or lost
vapid tiger
are we killing marines at some point in darktide?
I imagine plague marines will show up as either a type of special like the plague ogryn or maybe just one plague marine sorcerer/lord as a boss
tranquil umbra
I imagine plague marines will show up as either a type of special like the plagu...
one of the bosses in vt2, really remainded me of Typhus
with the scythe and horned helmet
flint dirge
Any one know of any highly decorated Imperial Guardsmen besides Sly Marbo?
smoky mauve
Color sergeant whats his name? From Cadia, he holds creeds regimental standard? Also im pretty sure in tabletop any named guardsman is probabaly pretty decorated
storm jungle
Yeah largely what Hello said
molten token
yeah im trying to find out his name aswell
the guy who has like tatoos of all the men who died under him right?
molten token
ah thats not the guy i meant
is 1d4chan still a thing it had a good layout of 40k characters
molten token
i read the guard codex like 2 weeks ago and i dont remember him in it lmao
molten token
yeah ik i downloaded a pdf of it
i dig the old art
in general i prefer 40k when it gives like general traits and ideas of characters instead of following a long story deeply focusing on them
storm jungle
A setting is only made richer by its characters
molten token
star wars prequels would like a word
flint dirge
storm jungle
Pretty much.
but yeah a setting is nothing without its characters
back even Rogue Trader the most throwaway characters added some flavor to the world of oldhammer
cerulean wagon
theres is no problem in focusing on characters, as long as the characters don't become like guilliman and dictate the course of the setting
storm jungle
☝️
molten token
40k is meant to be a sandbox, every person can get his own vibe from the setting and having the company go " no, THIS is how they act and think " can harm it
thats part of the reason old 40k art used to be black and white
so u can even insert how these guys would look in your mind
molten token
old rogue trader and WHF art was very colorful
molten token
i mean sure but when they made colored art it was extremely flamboyant
broken bridge
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lukas_Bastonne
Bastonne's passion for his soldierly duty is second to none, which many whisper borders on fanaticism
huh you dont say
molten token
> Bastonne's passion for his soldierly duty is second to none, which many whispe...
"this imperial guy is very fanatic"
broken bridge
<a:CloneFloss:707259889688510485> <a:CloneFloss:707259889688510485> <a:CloneFlos...
did you join the discord JUST for those emotes
storm jungle
YES.
broken bridge
lol i just did too
plush mason
lol
vapid tiger
A setting is only made richer by its characters
Too bad most space marine characters are shit
storm jungle
oh no its the Borealum™️
analog quartz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNK5-uE5JFg
such memories back in time
molten token
"it's morbin' time!"
vapid tiger
broken bridge
Shut the FUCK up and pilot the morbius-1 shinji
lyric ember
Who was the emperors hair stylist
broken bridge
himself of course
eternal ledge
"it's morbin' time!"
signal hill
some of that actually sounded like the dow2 noise marine attacks lol
now you have a vague idea how they made the soundeffects (onlx in a more professional enviroment)
plush mason
would they even have to do that? they where just generic white noise mostly lol
signal hill
I've seen snippets from sessions where sound effects are recorded
they just use random shit and wiggle it around in front of a microphoe till they are like 'yeah, thats good shit'
plush mason
lol
signal hill
well, last thing I saw was less on point then this one, but you might get a general ida
plush mason
im just saying all they had to do (and likely did) was turn a radio on, but the mic up to it and them channel surf thru dead airwaves lol
wheat copper
im just saying all they had to do (and likely did) was turn a radio on, but the ...
not as funny
plush mason
true lol
rose thorn
So is the touch of nurgle like, plague marines are insane, or is it like an active illusion nurgle is casting
molten token
chaos corruption makes you insane, i think if somehow it got expelled off you you'd return to normal, but being hit with the realization that you're mutated/what you've done will still prolly keep u in postal mode
rose thorn
I know it really depends on who you are following like cultists are. A great example
final spruce
So is the touch of nurgle like, plague marines are insane, or is it like an acti...
Illusionned is the word I guess, they just amorphously accept what they have become since Nurgle is about apathy
Even embrace it
rose thorn
Like khorne cultists are completely aware of what they are doing
final spruce
It's funny how Chaos can warp someone's morality and senses
rose thorn
Then Slaanesh are probably next on that list
rose thorn
Illusionned is the word I guess, they just amorphously accept what they have bec...
So it just a manipulation of like perception
They see what’s happening, but don’t understand it as what ever horrific shit is going on
molten token
"the corrupting effect of chaos " isnt metaphorical. it's like a legit physical thing. a normal law abiding person who gets exposed to it will slowly start having chaotic thoughts in his mind depending on what he cares about
rose thorn
"the corrupting effect of chaos " isnt metaphorical. it's like a legit physical ...
It’s both metaphoric and literal, I really think it just depends on how strong of a will power someone has
Like khrone cultists, they could be corrupted by surviving a khrone invasion
Or it could be a rebellion which ar seeking bloody revenge
molten token
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hWbmn7GtDE
rose thorn
And that causes them to lean towards khorne influence or literally find powers of khorne and join them in the name of vengeance
molten token
chaos is fueled by extreme human emotions, if you're just mildly angry chaos corruption will slowly prioritise that feeling above all
vapid tiger
So is the touch of nurgle like, plague marines are insane, or is it like an acti...
Not batshit insane persay but it depends on the marine
They're aware tho
rose thorn
It could be you loose faith in the imperial cult and realize how awful everything is
vapid tiger
Lords of Silence provides a good look at plague marines
Crazy how most csm books are better than loyalist books
Likely due to the former simply portraying 40k as a brutal and dark world with morally dubious protagonists compared to a lot of books about loyalist marines being reduced to superhero stories about big stompoids saving the day
atomic pelican
CSM are allowed to be interesting
atomic pelican
See: The Black Legion animation vs any loyalist one
rose thorn
CSM are allowed to be interesting
Yes, I love chaos just because of the sheer diversity and inherent chaos of it
molten token
It could be you loose faith in the imperial cult and realize how awful everythin...
sure that's how many of them start, but it's pretty much impossible in 40k for a person like that to not end up being corrupted by chaos. it's one of the reasons why the imperium is so fanatical and propagandized, The moment your mind wanders off too much you become very mentally weak to chaos corruption
vapid tiger
Chaos exploits legitimate grievances yes
And like many have said Guilliman points that out in Devastation of Baal
"Hey wait a minute if everyone is living in hell then what reason do they have to not just side with hell"
rose thorn
sure that's how many of them start, but it's pretty much impossible in 40k for a...
There’s also records of planets and regiments and chapters who wanted to leave the imperium but they can’t surivive on their own, so they join chaos for many reasons
molten token
There’s also records of planets and regiments and chapters who wanted to leave ...
those end up becoming chaos worshippers
vapid tiger
Not much difference between worshipping the Emperor "for whom blood is drunk and flesh eaten. Human blood and human flesh" and doing the same for Khorne
molten token
honestly i think the physical chaos corruption is a good idea. because IRL it's very rare for armies fighting one another for fanatical religious reasons to start embracing the other if they lose, if anything they'll harbor more personal resentment
tranquil umbra
joining chaos is never the answer
brittle nebula
joining chaos is never the answer
Chaos is always the answer
rose thorn
joining chaos is never the answer
Chaos is always the answer
brittle nebula
with space drugs
storm jungle
atomic pelican
Atleast its a dice roll
Better than dying some random manufactorium worker
Will your soul get daemon succd? Most likely
Is it more cool? Hell yeah
tranquil umbra
chad response
atomic pelican
Theres always the chance you'll be one of the actual mortals favored by chaos. Do wish we got more books abt them, as nice as CSM are
Rlly like that one woman in Abaddon's circle
molten token
I cant believe we never got a chaos champion who isnt a space marine. They are implied to exist but never shown
tranquil umbra
some daemon princes are mortals but dont have race cited
i remeber one being associated with gengis khan
molten token
Chaos warbands led by a xeno or human would be a interesting addition
tranquil umbra
indeed
farsight would fit pretty well into this kind of deal
he already has the talkative sword
molten token
Idk if i count daemon princes. Theyre prolly 99% just ones who were elevated before chaos marines existed
Im talking about creatures who managed to impress the chaos gods even while having CSM running arpund
Around*
tranquil umbra
yeah they left the non sm champions in fantasy
molten token
Yeah its alot more interesting to me
storm jungle
Everyone talking about Boringtara Sarrin while Valkia the Bloody exists
molten token
And i mean a human pumped with chaos gifts and stable mutations could totally rival space marine after enough time
storm jungle
the viking wife that bitch-slapped a slaaneshi champion for asking her to join his harem before she broke his shit and offered his skull to khorne
storm jungle
Yup
as said above fantasy has amazing mortal chaos champions
40k is just chaos marines
molten token
IIRC in fantasy its noted that chaos gods are much more interested in chaos worshippers who work their up to it from like imperial cities rather than the northmen who are born and raised to praise them. Its always been character development of them i digged
storm jungle
Its inconsistent so it kinda depends
storm jungle
but 40k suffers from the tabletop thing of how the main chaos faction is CSM so they get to have all the special characters while human chaos champions/princes only get book appearances
and even thats like
not even that much either
dusk knot
they should really give chaos cultists their own codex
tranquil umbra
it would ed up being a downgraded csm codex
cerulean wagon
they should really give chaos cultists their own codex
lost and the damned used to be their own thing and got yeeted
its big sad
tranquil umbra
like 10 years ago or more?
atomic pelican
Traitor guard in KT bodes well for a potential return of Lost and damned
atomic pelican
im trying to remember if the prophecy said anything
Nah I dont think so
Could be a 10e thing tho
cerulean wagon
although
all the KT stuff has had unique standard TT rules
(except the guard vets)
cerulean wagon
kommandos already had rules
now they have more
its neato
they should do that for the others
final spruce
I agree
Wait
Kommandos got more rules for the TTP ?
Wasn't it just before orks got their release ?
cerulean wagon
ye they got the breaching ram from KT n all
rose thorn
Hey, do CSMs do their own gene seed recruitment crap?
atomic pelican
Think it depends on the Legion
final spruce
Some do, some don't, some like cloning, others like making 'em themselves etc
atomic pelican
Helps that sometimes chaos marines can just respawn in the warp
atomic pelican
Yeee iirc if a CSM is favored decently they just respawn
Unless killed by like, soul purging weapons
vast frigate
lmao catch these blades
rose thorn
Huh
rose thorn
I always forgot they actually had to recruit people
storm jungle
To be vored most of the time
atomic pelican
Tru
rose thorn
And I thought they just kidnap people and do geneseed operations on them
atomic pelican
Some do
final spruce
And I thought they just kidnap people and do geneseed operations on them
Well not all of em, especially if they want to be sure of the warrior's quality
rose thorn
Makes sense
Actually another question, do thousand sons get new members?
Besides the occasional cultist I know most rubic marines are just dead as fuck dusty boys
I’ve never heard of anyone becoming a dusty boy
storm jungle
On occasion a powerful warp-mage from another Chaos Legion will be guided by Tzeentch to seek out the Planet of the Sorcerers and pledge his existence to Magnus. However, most of the Thousand Sons Sorcerers arise from the ranks of the Aspiring Sorcerers.
These under-mages are often created from the psykers of Tzeentchian cults, who through profane demagoguery draw the attention of an invading sect. They are taken to Tizca, where they are subjected to ritual transformations to enhance their body and mind. Most are driven mad or are torn apart by the sudden influx of empyric energy; others die slow and agonizing deaths as warp-drenched augmentative organs mutate the host body. But those few who survive are born anew as witch-warriors of the Thousand Sons.
Rubric Marines however are just remade when they are destroyed.
When a Rubric Marine does fall in battle, the desiccated remnants of their corporeal form pour from the rents in their armour and are scattered to the wind. As such, many worlds have ancient battlefields that are seeded with the dust of Rubric Marines.
Yet even dispersed, the warrior is not granted the release of oblivion. Should the fragments of their armour be collected and resealed, the essence of the Rubric Marine can be returned to its vessel to once again serve the Thousand Sons.
The sorceries required to achieve such a rebinding are as dangerous as they are powerful. A single misspoken syllable can kill the intoner or drive them insane. But should the profane rituals be successful, the essence dust of the Rubric Marine will be drawn back to its prison. Many Aspiring Sorcerers amongst the Legion will perform these rites, and the most skilled can will the essence of a Rubric Marine to coalesce even if the dust of its body has been strewn across an entire planet or buried deep beneath the surface.
rose thorn
Wait so people willingly become rubic marines?