40k-lore-chat

[final spruce]

Still, not even Bile has managed that shit and the LoV are doing en masse

Also being able to forge psyker souls

[barren tapir]

The Kin is doing that by thousands of years, bile just 10K max

And bile didn't had already gathered knowledge on the topic

[final spruce]

Exactly

These guys come and just are better than everybody

[barren tapir]

On this i agree, it is weird... But i blame GW not caring to have reasonable stuff

[barren tapir]

Well, it happen when you manage to keep knowledge when all others regress

[worn fern]

Cool, I'll add LoV to anotherfaction I will have to headcannon the shit out of to make them not bs

[final spruce]

...

[barren tapir]

Like eldar keep the knowledge for webway use, although not the complete one

[worn fern]

I dont understand how the Druhkari have not progressed

they are one of the few science factions in the game

albiet with flesh crafting mostly

but I am suprised that none of them have made a move for AI constructs again

[storm jungle]

Because they are a society of hedonistic lazy degenerates whos entire society wants to do nothig but get slaves

I say this as an eldar fan lol

Only the haemonculus really do stuff but even thats eh

[tender igloo]

and cause pain, don't forget that

[storm jungle]

Yeah that too

Dark Eldar as a society are a bucket with a hole at the bottom

they dont care about anyone

or the galaxy's problems

they just wanna go Drukhari Gaming

[worn fern]

well its the fact that the Drukhari are the one aeldari faction that isnt hyper conservative

[storm jungle]

Yeah but still lazy

And not every dark eldar has ancient tech hidden away

they hoard it unless they ever need to use it in emergencies

usually against each other

[worn fern]

oh I am not disagreeing with the lazieness, but surely some covens would have made something

[storm jungle]

Alas thats the ultimate 40k thing

[worn fern]

if not to use it to fuck over other covens

[storm jungle]

aka no faction can invent

otherwise plot

[final spruce]

Well there was this guy, the main haemonculi that managed to make 1 soul free of Slaneesh's influence

[worn fern]

I don't mind factions inventing things, as long as its slow and people dunk hard on them for doing it

[final spruce]

I don't remember if he manages to keep it in the end tho

[worn fern]

LoV is rubbing me up the wrong way in every department

as it just seems like GW are dumping this High technology faction into the middle of the fray and saying that they have always been there

[tender igloo]

that's what they have always done

[worn fern]

but they have always had this cool tech

[cerulean wagon]

yes tjats exactly waht they are doing

"but guys they were pretending to be dead"

[tender igloo]

dump a faction into a setting and then pretend they were always there

[worn fern]

Was it ever this egregious in the past?

[storm jungle]

the ultimate rule of 40k is no lore matters

it only exists to sell toys

so any excuse can be easily written in

[worn fern]

exaclty, 9e is non-canon to me

[storm jungle]

Tbh

the best way to 40k is to take it and do what you want with friends

i literally never follow official lore in the private circles im in

its just a giant toybox

[worn fern]

same

I just take the broken lore and fill in the gaps with even more retarded and mind breaking shit

40k should be madness incarnate to understand

[tender igloo]

in a setting with over 30 years of books and stories, just pick the ones you like the best as being real

[worn fern]

fuck understanding things

[storm jungle]

Pretty much yeah

its the same reason I roll my eyes at

"everything is cannon"

no it isnt lmao

[worn fern]

When I have conversations about "canon" its more seeing an exchange of headcanons

as I always like to say, 40k nerds talking to each other: is just two people making shit up as they go

[storm jungle]

Yeah its mostly left in the air due to just lazy writing

that and 40k is made to be extremely editable

Votann basically came out of nowhere but people would call you crazy if you ever said the squats will return

[worn fern]

well its a setting and should always stay that way, it should not be a story

40k should be filled with story, but not itself be a story

Like I am writing some short stories about parts of the Imperium that we dont see enough

like a story about how the administratum sends a guy down to an ancient library to find old books and scrolls that all use different organisation techniques and titles and written in different languages, and then the guy cant even read

[tender igloo]

eventually even a setting like 40k needs to advance forward however to be avoid becoming stagnant. eternal deadlock is boring

[worn fern]

I love shit like this, those tales of just mind rending insanity

the setting needs to move along yeah, but that is a scale thing and not a plot thing

like I wouldnt consider Cadia to be plot, but a setting event

[tender igloo]

it's why i stand by the idea that despite its problems the 13th black crusade getting a definitive ending and advancing beyond that was a net positive

[worn fern]

but the Plague wars is plot

[worn fern]

and now we should see this crusade doing things and not just be told its doing things

as the dark imperium just feels like side content to the main plot rn

[storm jungle]

Yeah its above

[twin shoal]

ah ill delete my post then

i saw it in wrath and glory discord and didnt think someone would be faster then me but turns out im slow as balls

wait i know nothing about the mars army whats ion weapons do to a bloke?

like say i shoot a guy with it whats it do exactly?

[storm jungle]

Its just an energy beam

so probably just leave a scorching hole?

Ion Weapons are advanced Tau weapons that fire high-energy streams of ions at a target. These streams can vaporize flesh and metal with equal ease. Ion weapons can be overcharged to generate a devastating attack, but doing so risks overheating its primary power cell.

[final spruce]

They are LoV now

[twin shoal]

ah ok so like a plasma blast but more focused

[final spruce]

👀

[twin shoal]

and concentrated as a beam

that makes sense i like it

[storm jungle]

Yeah imagine lasers but thicker

tho im not a scientist so i dont know what ions are

[twin shoal]

well they use ion beams as a sort of breast cancer treatment

but if this is alot more concentrated its probably going to kill you almost instantly

from the ion poisoning

[plush mason]

they are a type of atom or molecule with a net charge due to the loss or gain of 1 electron

so more or less just charged matter

so an ion weapon is kinda like a laser but not as a laser uses photon light and the ion weapon uses i would assume matter ions

[twin shoal]

would there be recoil to firing this weapon?

[plush mason]

if there is no actual matter being propelled no

[twin shoal]

but you said its more of less charged matter so wouldnt that matter of mass cause recoil?

[plush mason]

depends on the matter in question

like hydrogen ions wouldnt have much if any mass

and if the weapon is only firing the ions themselves then no matter the matter there wouldnt be enough mass to cause the recoil effect

[twin shoal]

what if theres just a bolt granade

that would be very funny

does the league use granades anymore?

i hope so mind you i wanna see those melee weapons they mentioned

[vast frigate]

The votann guns are cool

[twin shoal]

hell yea they are

[plush mason]

ngl i was expecting more volkite and plasma

[barren tapir]

I was expecting railguns

[twin shoal]

give it time we havent seen the full arsanal i expect

[plush mason]

true

[vast frigate]

im assuming

they get something like heavy flamers

because they hate the nids

[cerulean wagon]

except they dont hate the nids

cause that never happened now

the squats literally faked it

[vast frigate]

oh right

i fucking forgot

[plush mason]

lol wasnt that a fan theory at one point?

[barren tapir]

Yes, but was based on GW just stating that nids went there

[plush mason]

no i mean the whole " fake the nid invasion so the imperium would fuck off for a bit"

[vapid tiger]

Wait fr

[cerulean wagon]

yes

[vapid tiger]

Did warcom say that

[rose thorn]

ABAHAHAAHAH chaos gate looks like a fucking cartoon

Did- it crash trying to load the first level?

Did it crash, again?

[rose thorn]

AHAHAHA ITS SO FUCKING CARTOONY

It’s like a kids show in the 40K universe

[vapid tiger]

It do be

[shadow plover]

And it's great for it 😎

[grand berry]

My man here wanting it to look like Death of Hope

[twin shoal]

i like how the characters look reminds me of fable

[obsidian wing]

Chaos Gate Daemonhunters run fine for me, and yeah it's cartoonish, well so do DoW1 and Mechanicus

enjoyed the story as well

at least we get lots of Nurgle enemies from cultists, plague drones, to daemon primarchs and daemon princes there

not too grimdark, but its still a gorefest

[twin shoal]

i mean the entirety of 40k is cartoonish really with how over the top it is

[storm jungle]

40k is european anime

[obsidian wing]

over the top is always been warhammer's trait, and its appeal

[storm jungle]

Kinda

40k can do really dumb shit too

[smoky mauve]

Specifically its dbz. Takes forever for anything happens and when a new version of it comes out we all hate it until we get used to it

[storm jungle]

Precisely!

[dim totem]

except we’ll never get wh40k abridged

for obvious reasons

[supple plume]

Indigan Praefects

wow those guys look interesting

[lost scarab]

Ion cannons use partculates similiar to ROS (reactive oxygen species). The projected mass is charged with missing electron in the outer shell. The localised electron donated from exchange doesn't bind for longer than a fraction of a second. Thus, the unstable molecule tosses it and searches for another one, essentially disintegrating the target mass particle by particle via stealing electrons and destabilising structures.

The ammunition is usually charged air particles, that are passed through a conduit similar to a plasma field in order to make the field unstable.

Not sure how it works in 40k though.

[plush mason]

i see

[thin igloo]

How are vampires not Daemonic if they are warp-spawned?

[storm jungle]

Vampires?

[barren tapir]

Fetid bloodsucker

[vapid tiger]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Vampires

from 1st ed but they reappeared in a recent short story

[storm jungle]

Oh the warp ones

[vapid tiger]

Yeah

Also fun note I was gonna post in here earlier before getting sidetracked by something

According to liber xenologis shit like the existence of white blood cells and germ theory is still subject to debate within the imperium which is very funny

And also fitting because it fits the "medieval culture in space" thing

[spice orchid]

there are even people today that deny germ theory

[plush mason]

yeah its crazy

[bright anvil]

Alpha legion pretty cool ngl

[signal hill]

They knew/know how to genetically manipulate people, create bionics and cybernetics that directly Interface with the brain and White bloodcells are debated?
LoL
GW writing at it's finest

[bright anvil]

Infections simply fight themselves

[grand berry]

Just like the Imperium

[lyric ember]

Treatments are like that one bonkers railroad dude in fallout 4, gives you a serum full of battery acid

[rose thorn]

Is it me or is it weird that followers of chaos call the chaos gods ‘the dark gods’

Like I know it’s different for every cult but, especially like Word bearers can’t be that self aware of how monstrous and horrendous their gods are

Like it just seems like bad marketing on chao’s part

[real hare]

I always saw it as they don't view "Dark" as bad at all

[rose thorn]

Fair fair, maybe more as an opposite to the emperor, who is a literal beacon of light

[real hare]

Ah yeah like in an indignant way that's true

[rose thorn]

Damn the more I learn about trh word bearers the more I love them

[shadow plover]

they're pretty nifty, cool colours too

[rose thorn]

I already fucking LOVE chaos daemons and shit

I’m planning on getting all the chaos daemons start collecting (and remake the nurgle Demons start collecting)

And try to make a summoning focused army

[shadow plover]

hopefully it will get buffed once CSM and Daemon codexes drop 😄

[rose thorn]

Yeah definitely

Also I love uh what’s the theme

Term*

‘Herohammer’ armies

Aka focusing on HQs and like elite models

According to goonhammer at least

[shadow plover]

goonhammer is a good source

[rose thorn]

Stacking heroes, possessed cultists, and daemons sounds so fucking fun

I mens uh, HQ

Heroes is AOS

[rose thorn]

WAIT ARGEL TAL WITH THE HELP OF WARP BULLSHIT CAUSED THE PRIMARCHS TO HE SCATTERED?!

[barren tapir]

Nope

[rose thorn]

Oh

Okay nvm then

[thin igloo]

So I’ve read so much contradiction on this.

Is the emperor a primarch version of Sigmar?

[cerulean wagon]

wtf does that even mean

[storm jungle]

Sigmar started out as a barbarian that eventually became the Emperor of the Empire of Man before disappearing and being deified.

Eventually he became a god-king after being trapped in the realm of chaos before he came back in the End Times.

Now in Age of Sigmar he's practicaly more or so a God

Primarchs are just demigod humans/giants.

[thin igloo]

I’ve read a lot of contradictory articles claiming that the emperor in 40k is sigmar

[storm jungle]

Those articles are written by idiots

lmao

The Emperor and Sigmar are seperate people.

[thin igloo]

I don’t agree with Age of Sigmar’s lore personally. I know a lot more about warhammer fantasy than 40k

[storm jungle]

I mean agree or not it is the lore

Hes basically a god-emperor there, and as I said more powerful

[thin igloo]

🤷‍♂️ We all have to stop reading ahead at some point 😂

[storm jungle]

But yeah they are seperate people

Sigmar is in his own universe and the Emperor is in his

[thin igloo]

10-4

The chaos realm is the same in both Ips though yeah?

[storm jungle]

Nah

[thin igloo]

Interesting.

[storm jungle]

The only matching thing is the chaos gods are both in there

but thats mostly so you get to use the demon models in both universes

Its one of the only instances of it

[thin igloo]

Gotcha. Same chaos gods and their daemons, but even they are susceptible to the alternate universe.

[storm jungle]

Nope

Well kinda

[dusk knot]

There are more minor gods in sigmar

[storm jungle]

GW in the past joked about 40K and Fantasy being in the same timeline but then dropped the idea since it was mostly made as jokes or winks.

They also realised the idea was too complicated

also would undermine both universes

[thin igloo]

I mean. We still have the same champion daemons, although some are altered with machinery. Still have nurglings and the great unclean one etc etc.

[dusk knot]

It makes sense for earlier editions which were a bit more wacky

[thin igloo]

I mean

Warhammer in general can be very whacky

[storm jungle]

Yeah this

[thin igloo]

It’s part of the charm. The Orks in general are just nonsense

[storm jungle]

As I said earlier the demons share models in both universes largely due to marketing reasons

Otherwise they are not connected

[thin igloo]

I’ll have to pull maps for both IPs of the chaos realm later when I’m at my desk and compare them. Just interesting is all. I don’t know any other minor gods yet in 40k

I just started looking into the emperor’s official lore today.

And most of that seems mostly unconfirmed, really

[storm jungle]

Realm of chaos:

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/b/bf/RealmofChaosMap.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181014212202

40k Warp doesnt have a map

[thin igloo]

But the minor gods in fantasy were all useless in fantasy, proved in End Times. Sigmar’s arrival to recreate it was kind of a joke after he just goes on vacation during the whole catastrophe

[storm jungle]

Eh no?

It was mostly because fantasy was being scrapped

so they just didnt bother to give most of them lore

[dusk knot]

Nah but like rogue trader and later is much more

More rolls for random things to happen

[storm jungle]

Also the entire End Times was a joke itself

so thats not saying much

[thin igloo]

True

It’s hard to cram all the 40k lore in with it being so similar yet so different.

[hasty crystal]

Does anyone have a source for female Ogryn in lore? I'm trying to get an idea of how odd it would be for Fatshark to put them in. To draw an example from Creative Assembly's work with WHFB, Is it more like Bretonnia where the lore/units/etc. exist or more like Cathay? Where information is sketchy at best from official sources.

[storm jungle]

They mostly exist in books

the only one on my mind atm is the one from the Ghazghkull book uh

whos also a psyker lol

[storm jungle]

It all begins that way but you'll get the hang of it

40k lore may seem rich but its also as shallow as a puddle

[hasty crystal]

So a combat role isn't off the table then? Works for me.

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats just fans being sexist if they tell you otherwise

[hasty crystal]

I heard people telling me they were the same as female skaven.

[storm jungle]

jesus christ

no

LMAO

[real stone]

If we have female guardsmen, and we do, then there is no chance we don't have female ogryn. The imperium needs every body they can get, they don't care who it is

[hasty crystal]

Yeah I was hoping that was bullshit. Glad to hear it

[cerulean wagon]

females in 40k are by and large in the same position as males

literally no race has it different

[storm jungle]

Yeah this

[dusk knot]

It’s mostly because models aren’t casted for different genders except for certain cases

Mostly eldari

So people get this idea that females don’t fight

[storm jungle]

Yeah it took forever for Eldar and I.G to get female heads

[storm jungle]

Some excerpts.

Spark of Revolution™️

Even Jurgen was being flirted with outrageously, which struck me as truly bizarre. The only female I’d ever known to take a romantic interest in him before was an ogryn on R&R, and she’d been drunk at the time. He picked at his food nervously, responding as best he could, but it was clear he was out of his depth.

Setting down the bucket, Breaker looked up at the ogryn standing over him. She was called Pulley, just out of the juvehalls where the young ogryns worked with the smaller equipment. A bruise mottled half of Pulley’s face. Many of the ogryns bore marks like that now.
...
‘Go,’ Breaker Brass said, dropping his hand. When she started to turn, he punched her in the shoulder, rocking her a little. ‘Good shift, good worker.’

Pulley looked back at him, and through the strands of wiry red hair that had escaped her tight braids Breaker could see that her eyes had lit a little at the compliment. She strode away, not as slumped, and Breaker Brass stomped into the container she’d led him to. And stopped, staring.

[cerulean wagon]

that is the big pog of darktide

more female IG art inbound

🙏

[cerulean wagon]

poor jurgen lmao

love those books

[real stone]

What was the fry quote, I'm scaroused?

[dusk knot]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-horny-scaredandhorny-billhader-snl-gif-20058926

[vapid tiger]

ogryn mommy dommy

[rose thorn]

Question about chaos daemons

What does exalted exactly mean?

[real stone]

Are you talking like from a dictionary standpoint or a in-universe standpoint

[vapid tiger]

What it says on the tin

Their god prefers them more than others

[real stone]

Yeah, pretty much that

[rose thorn]

Ohhhh play, gonna be honest I got it mixed up with a. Different word

My bad lmao

[indigo stirrup]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/575494242093236225/923594771790987364/image0.gif

[real stone]

But I kinda does, it’s talked about by Khayon or whoever the mega-nerd is with a wolf familiar and a dark eldar assassin thingy, that they tend to navigate/categorize areas based at least partially on where the astronomican does or doesn’t shine

[storm jungle]

I mean its still "kinda"

the entire point of the Warp its ever-changing and shifting

you cant map it out and more or so just need to stick to checkpoints

[alpine ingot]

The Female Ogryn from the Ghazkhull book is a rather interesting case study when it comes to that strain of abhumans. She was Intelligent, well learned, a psyker, and had rather beautiful calligraphy skills when judged by an Inquisitor.

[vapid tiger]

And the thing that navigators and equivalents must do is keep charting the same paths while the warp changes

[plush mason]

now im even more scared

[rose thorn]

W-what fr? Gonan be honest I forgot female ogryn was possible

[plush mason]

i mean they would have to be given the convoluted and overly complex lore of the ogryn

[smoky mauve]

Thats it, the warp is a metalic multi hued banana

[plush mason]

lol

[smoky mauve]

Do you guys think there is Imperium approved Memes?

Like they go through this lengthy approval process

And by the time its approved, they're out of date?

[plush mason]

given it could take 100s of years for them to be approved yeah i say they would be

[alpine ingot]

memes, jokes, shitpost, etc. have been a core aspect of our cultures for thousands of years, I doubt they suddenly stopped existing in 40k

[real stone]

Case in point, Kilroy was here

[smoky mauve]

I can imagine a far off battlefield where some guardsman scrawled "Ollianus Pius was here"

[serene jungle]

So you're saying

the blueprint for Marines, sans Ultras

Are all based on the blueprint of Gigachad

Gotcha

The virgin ultra walk

vs the chad not-ultra stride

[meager wing]

Dark Apostle:

The ogryn roared as it planted its heavy feet and empty shells streamed from its ripper gun as it fired the weapon wildly. The Chimera behind them rotated its turret and multi-laser fire peppered the traitors, cutting several of them down. Only six Chaos Marines reached the brigadier-general’s command group, but it was enough.

This was the end, he thought. An ignominious end to his thirty-seven years within the Imperial Guard, hacked apart by brutal warriors behind his battle lines.

He saw the loyal ogryn fall to the ground with a bestial roar. He wasn’t a sentimental man by any stretch, but he felt pain as his faithful bodyguard fell to the ground, coughing blood from his lungs.

Havorn fired his pistol again and again, and felt the rising pain beneath his hand as the pistol overheated, venting super-heated air. With a snarl, he hurled it to the ground and drew his long bladed combat knife. It had been more than twenty years since it had tasted blood, back in the days when he was a captain of the storm troopers.

Only two of the enemy remained standing and they stalked towards him, wordlessly stepping away from each other to take him from both sides."

Havorn kept his eyes on the foe so as not to attract their attention to the massive form of the ogryn picking itself up behind them, blood running from the wounds on its arms and chest, and spilling from its mouth.

With a roar, the ogryn picked up one of the traitors, one massive hand upon the enemy’s backpack and the other between his legs. It lifted the Chaos Marine high into the air and slammed it head first into the ground, cracking its neck.

The second traitor turned with a snarl and swung its icon two handed into the ogryn’s legs, driving it to its knees. Releasing his grip on the haft of the hateful symbol of Chaos, the Chaos Marine leapt at the ogryn, its long talons extended for the killing blow.

Havorn cried out and surged forwards, but he was too slow and he saw the bodyguard fall, its throat ripped completely out, blood spurting from the fatal wound.

He drove his combat knife through a crack in the traitor’s ceramite back plate, the blade sinking deep. Blood spurted from the wound, burning through Havorn’s leather glove, and the enemy spun, his fist smashing into the brigadier-general’s cheek, shattering the bone.

Pain exploded in his head and he fell back from the force of the blow. He saw the ogryn’s large, mournful eyes as it tried desperately to aid its master before the Chaos Marine reached down and broke its neck with a brutal twist.

I hope our Ogryn will be just as badass

An earlier excerpt from the same passage

Clattering gunfire erupted from weaponry as the figures stamped heavily through the rubble. They were huge individuals, their armour plate thick and nigh on impervious to harm: Terminators, the enemy’s elite.

Havorn banged on the top of the Chimera.

Havorn’s ogryn bodyguard emerged from the confines of the Chimera and breathed deeply, its eyes narrowing. It stepped protectively in front of the brigadier-general, shielding him from fire with its muscled bulk.

“Go!” he shouted. “Intercept them!'

With that, the Elysian commander pointed the way and the ogryn began loping towards the enemy

The ogryn raised its heavy ripper gun, a thick finger pulling the trigger. Empty shells scattered in its wake. It did not roar or bellow as it charged. Such base, animalistic behaviours had been erased from its simple brainpan, but no amount of augmetics could improve the aim of the ogryn and the bullets from its ripper gun sprayed the area, hitting nothing.

Bolter fire raked towards him, striking the hulking abhuman, who grimaced in pain. Chunks of flesh were torn from its arms and chest, but the three metre creature that dwarfed even the Terminators did not slow. It lowered a shoulder and smashed into one of the enemy, knocking it from its feet. Raising the butt of its heavy ripper gun, the ogryn began caving in the helmet of the fallen warrior, smashing it down onto the prone traitor again and again.

[cerulean wagon]

ogryns are genuinly awesome when done well

but ogryn fans dont want that

[plush mason]

what do they want? dumby thicc and even more dumby stupid funny bois?

[cerulean wagon]

yes

[plush mason]

fail

[dusk knot]

I want this but also ogryn fren

:)

[full nebula]

I wish to work on some lore for a potential Slaanesh-themed knight
So far my ideas reach to 'Gun-obsessed pilot who stole so many guns from their world that they couldn't defend themselves'

*There is at least 10 guns planned for the model

[storm jungle]

Lmao

tbh sounds like a solid groundwork to work off of

from there you gotta go grotesque with his gun-obsession though

like to the point that he hardwires so many feedback modules and whatnot that he feels every weaponry he shoots through his knight's body etc

get creative 👀

[full nebula]

That actually sounds awesome.
Every magazine fired wildly, each inch of recoil, and every shell ejected, another sensation to enjoy

[barren tapir]

Gun obsessions you say?

[full nebula]

They have 4 machine guns, 4 AA guns, and two battle cannons
And again, more if I can fit them.

[storm jungle]

Yeah so basically if it helps

imagine yourself as the pilot

And how nuts do you wanna go to feel satisfaction from doing your job

then just add body-horror and boom

[full nebula]

So far I have the Mysterious Tarot Tzeentch Knight, the Honourable Khorne Knight, and a likely Skaven Nurgle Knight.

-Tarot was adopted by Thousand Sons after their world was raided, when they grew up, they were gifted one of the Knights stolen
-Honourable got so sick and tired of her house only fighting in wars where victory was already guaranteed, and went on a rampage strong enough to incite a Khornate Cult.
-Skaven have no idea where the fuck they are, but they found a knight and are running around being Skaven.

[upbeat arch]

yall know what i love about 40k the most out of everything?

unexplained headtubes

what's goin on there my dude

love this kinda shit like you wouldnt believe

[storm jungle]

Its actually explained

[upbeat arch]

NO!

[storm jungle]

[upbeat arch]

NOOOOO

[storm jungle]

IM GONNA TELL IT

DO YOU WANT ME TO

[upbeat arch]

I have this headcanon that its just pumping purple drank in there

soaking his megamind in purple drank

now u have to tell me

[storm jungle]

lmfao

basically

[storm jungle]

Perty has this computer thing called the Logos™️

it literally lets him plan everything

Positions, Supply Drops, Troop movement, enemy positions etc

[upbeat arch]

I remember that card from the HH cardgame yeah

[storm jungle]

Yeee

the other head tubes?

just for looks

[upbeat arch]

Oh that's awesome ngl

[storm jungle]

i literally still got no idea what the fuck horus' ones are

[upbeat arch]

Nah, it's purple drank

[storm jungle]

again, cursed

chaos koolaid

💀

[upbeat arch]

cant you think faster if you get more oxygen to your brain?

ima just go with that

big oxy tubes

they just gettin high

like those street fighter players huffing cans of oxygen during matches

[plush mason]

they pump pure copium into his brain and lungs

its why he thought it could beat big e in a 1v1

[storm jungle]

makes sense...

[atomic pelican]

Lean

[storm jungle]

stop

LMAO

[upbeat arch]

Pert fuckin rocks

i wanna read some pert

i got too frustrated with this one book Experimental Film and i cant finish it

so i need a new one

thinking either cfontinuing my HH journey or a random 40k book

[storm jungle]

Angel Exterminatus

its literally a road trip movie with Fulgrim and Perty

he also fucking slams Fulgrim head into a miniature

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/568118870913581080/881689363069677618/Eqw4cQdXMAAvUxK.png?width=598&height=627

[plush mason]

my hero

i hope that fucked up his pretty boy face for a little bit

[storm jungle]

Just a bit yeah

beforehand hes like

Pssst, Fulgrim you see this mini?

Lean closer to it

Fulgrim leans

SLAM

[plush mason]

perfection

[storm jungle]

Its so fucking funny

its mostly done because Perty wants to lead and all Fulgrim does is be a pretty boy

[slow prawn]

Early in the story, Fulgrim demands that Perturabo make him a grand theater so he can tell the myth of what they’re going after, and Perturabo just sighs and does it

An entire day spent making a theater worthy of a Primarch, just so Fulgrim could say “We need to try and find an ancient Eldar world to find the weapon it has.”

[alpine ingot]

I dislike perterabo because of his self fulfilling cycle of petulance and neglect, however I also like him because he's basically the only traitor primarch trying to get shit done in a serious fashion.

but in the end he gets the short end of the straw and gets turned into a demon primarch

[plush mason]

getting fucked over was pert's greatest power lol

[shadow plover]

Perturbo has gotten a lot of cool character build up during the heresy books. I've too started to like his legion mostly because of this

Also his model is one of my favourites of the primarchs

[alpine ingot]

you can sum it up to me being knit picky but I feel like Perturabo starting out was written to close to what he was going to end up being and we really didn't see a decline with him. Don't get me wrong though, him turning traitor and how he despised his "allies" is still really interesting to me.\

[lyric ember]

What do y'all think of the Stryxis

[shadow plover]

Nothing because I had to google what they were

very obscure

but they seem neat

[eternal ledge]

I remember him also being annoyed that he had to build that amphitheater but it also ticketed him to build it as well engineered as possible

Then promptly shelled it for the hell of it

[broken bridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwUKJUcgat8

holy shit thats metal as fuck

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/fake-happy-bored-tired-gif-14077653

Perturabo like 12 theaters later finally hearing the plan

Gonna be honest fulgrim has some amazing moments after he fully gives in

There was some great dialog between uh? Fulgrim and Dorn

IM SORRY WHY DID THEY MAKE FULGRIM SOUND LIKE A FUCKING SMOKER WITH SORE THROAT IN THE AUDIO BOOK

[storm jungle]

Some HH books are infamous for their weird ass voice acting for some of the primarchs

To the point that some just sound like smokers as you said or just old men that are rambling inside a retirement community lol

[shadow plover]

so

fitting

[storm jungle]

I mean no

When I want to hear primarchs I want to hear proper adult voices

some are straight up goofy

[shadow plover]

Yeah who was the voice actor for The Thousand Sons, that one was probably the worst

others have been ok to great

[rose thorn]

Lmao, it’s so weird for especially fulgrim. Like yeah he’s gonna sound flamboyant and a lil gremlin ish but not at this level

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah

its so... bizarre

thankfully its rare, but when it happens it REALLY sticks out

[rose thorn]

I was gonan send a clip of the conversation between Dorn and fulgrim, but it’s so fucking bad I might just send a Reddit post of the quote

[rose thorn]

What the hell is Corvus and Lorgar even doing in 40K anymore?

Last I heard Lorgar left his tower and Corvus is doing something

[storm jungle]

Literally fuck-all

[rose thorn]

Demon primarch Corvus I mean

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats all we got atm

Primarchs in general are always alluded to doing stuff

[broken bridge]

corvus is a demon?

[storm jungle]

Kinda?

[rose thorn]

Yeah somehow

[storm jungle]

The amount of time he has spent inside the Warp has revealed his "true form"

every primarch's building genetic material had some warp-stuff in it

its the same reason why every time they die theres a psychic backlash

[rose thorn]

Out of all@the legions I know the leAst about the raven guard

[storm jungle]

Basically

Sneaky

Very wholesome lads

Goths

Lots of black and white

They are one of the few very based loyalist legions

[broken bridge]

so even with corvus being a sorta kinda demon now the ravens are still good guys

[barren tapir]

After the salamanders they are the most caring of SM chapters for human lives

[broken bridge]

also what seperates covus the demon from saint celestine arent they both emperor warp stuff?

[barren tapir]

Yes

And they are not separate, they both are infused by the psychic powers of big E, the difference is that one has it innately the other got infused

Oh, and the fact that the primarchs also have stuff from Erda, while saint celestine just from big E

[vapid tiger]

I mean no one knows that corvus is a daemon thing outside of chaos marines

[upbeat arch]

Acktually

He’s a warp-thing!

😛

[rose thorn]

Wholesome?

[open summit]

I’m pretty sure Corvus Corax is straight up a Daemon while Saint Celestine is the equivalent of a Daemon Prince of the Emperor.

[plush mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/823661595884257340/979126036618940536/IMG_0021.png

can someone explain this please?

[meager wing]

Tau think one strong enemy of the Eldar/Dark Eldar is probably Slaanesh lol

or one slaanesh demon

they're blissfully unaware of chaos and gods

they probably think roboute is the emperor

[storm jungle]

Kinda

[storm jungle]

Excerpt of the reference coming up;

Listen well to this, my warriors, and learn of the method of war of those who care not for the furtherance of any common goal, and fight for the sheer pleasure of violence, the vicarious thrill of defiling those they defeat. It is a cautionary tale, yet one that will inspire others and provides a salutary warning against turning from the Tau’va, the Greater Good.

The world of Ke’lshan is a place of turbulent climate and uncertain peace. All manner of foes call the nearby Perdus Rift home: aliens, pirates and beings too terrible to name. It is a region of treacherous space, shunned by all pilots of good standing and many among the Kor whisper that it may be haunted. Haunted by what, they do not say and until the battle of Mont’au, I felt sure that such tales were mere apocryphal whimsy. Now I am not so sure.

The depredations of those that venture from the Perdus Rift are well known, all seek to plunder and kill with no thought for what they do. Though of course, I myself do not hold with O’shova’s methods and do not condone what he has done, I cannot now bring myself to condemn him totally. The things I have seen out here on the frontier have given me the clarity to at least understand what he talks of and this was never more true than after the events on Ke’lshan which I shall now relate.

Many times had those schooled at Kais-shi led expeditions to fight to protect our brethren of the other castes and every time had they been victorious. When I received orders from the Shas’ar’tol to lead six cadres to Ke’lshan, I was naturally honored by the command, eager to defeat whatever threat had emerged from the Rift.

En route, we were joined by a Kroot warsphere and, though I was glad of their assistance, I had not been aware of any warspheres in this region of the empire. Upon reaching Ke’lshan, it became immediately apparent that what had occurred on this world was unnatural. Whole outposts and towns had been razed to the ground; the bodies of the Tau dead violated in the most unimaginable ways possible. It seemed unlikely that piracy was the motive for the attack, as nothing had been taken, the storehouses were still full and the machine shops were untouched. There was no purpose to the slaughter, save the wanton horror of destruction and mutilation.

But there was worse to come. Pathfinders reported sighting ominous pillars of black smoke over the horizon and we made best speed towards the fires. We arrived at a colony I later learned had been named Fio’kai and discovered a portion of the invaders’ army still encamped in the smoking ruins. Though superficially each bore a resemblance of form to Gue’la, there was among them a riot of anatomies and form I had never before seen and could barely believe drew breath. Each creature bore distended limbs, twisted organs and gibbering mouths, each giving voice to vile exhortations in the name of indulgence.

We fell upon them and killed all save one, who seemed to revel in the pain our weapons had inflicted upon him. His form was twisted and warped beyond any physical norms and he spat and swore such vile things at us that I was forced to order my Shas’el to stand down, for fear that he execute the prisoner there and then.

I myself spoke to our captive at length and was to learn many things, which I will spare you the full horror of. It is enough to say that he claimed to serve a dark master, a being known as Slaanesh, a being who is the antithesis of all the Tau believe in. It appears that his servants are actively encouraged to pursue hedonistic pursuits and that the concept of a Greater Good is abhorrent to them. Such a creature will never submit to the Tau empire and must be destroyed lest his subversive dogma be allowed to spread. It appears that this being is one of some considerable power as it was he (or she – the subject claimed both genders for its master) who had claimed Ke’lshan as his own. I brought the distasteful questioning to an end as the prisoner appeared to take an unhealthy pleasure in the interrogation techniques I was forced to employ. Before terminating the captive, I was able to extract the location of the main force of this Slaanesh and formed up my forces, ready to engage this depraved foe.

As I ventured outside I was confronted with the sight of some Kroot carnivores devouring the bodies of those we had killed in battle. Though distasteful, I was not surprised by this and paid no more mind to their feasting than I had on previous occasions. Later events would show how costly an oversight this was to be.

The route of march our prisoner had furnished me with enabled us to deploy rapidly into an ambush position ahead of Slaanesh’s forces and I chose to employ the Kauyon strategy. With Kroot positioned in the center as the lure, I stationed myself, the Crisis teams and a pair of Hammerheads in some dead ground behind a hill on my right flank with a Broadside team on the left of the Kroot. With Stealth Battlesuits, Fire Warriors and yet more Kroot guarding my far left flank, I considered my plan to be as tactically sound as I could make it. Within the hour, forward Pathfinders reported engaging the vanguard of Slaanesh’s army. I instructed the bulk of my army to remain in cover while the Kroot to be used as the lure advanced cautiously in plain sight as the Pathfinders’ Devilfish came into view, the enemy snapping at their heels. If the sights I had seen at Fio’kai had appalled me, what I now saw before me sickened me to my very soul.

A horde of fierce-looking warriors in armour emblazoned with shimmering colors and surrounded by a cacophony of discordant noise, bearing icons and sigils of wanton indulgence was approaching. On the flanks came snapping creatures of disturbing appearance, hideously genderless and garbed in fine silks and ermine trimmed armour. Where one would expect to see hands, these creatures were equipped with sensuous claws and darting, barbed tongues whipped from their jaws. Shambling horrors of thrashing pseudopod, claw and fang were driven before the army by grotesque, beast-headed monsters armed with crackling energy prods. At the center of the horde stood a giant in electric blue armour, edged in gold and pink. I took this to be none other than Slaanesh him or herself and vowed to personally defeat this vile creature. The sensors of my battlesuit detected unknown chemical pollutants suffusing the air around the advancing troops, but could not discern its nature. As the first elements of Slaanesh’s army rushed towards the lure, I noticed a curious thing; many of the Kroot appeared entranced by the sight of such a garishly colored horde and had lowered their weapons, sniffing the air with bemused looks upon their faces.

As Slaanesh’s army approached our allies, horrifying changes began rippling through the Kroot and they began convulsing, screeching horribly as their flesh erupted in mutation. At this point I realized that these were the Kroot who had feasted on the flesh of the enemy dead at Fio’kai. Slaanesh’s main thrust suddenly altered direction and, instead of charging the Kroot, began heading towards my position. Worse still, the Kroot I had stationed in front as the lure, began advancing alongside Slaanesh’s forces with murder in their eyes! I immediately ordered the forces on my left to advance, engage the flank of Slaanesh’s army and link with my Crisis team. The Broadsides fired salvos of rockets into the masses before them, each blast killing dozens of the enemy. Yet they paid little heed to the carnage being wrought within their ranks. Indeed, many appeared to take perverse pleasure in their wounding. My Hammerheads moved around the opposite flank of Slaanesh’s army and began pounding them with hyper-velocity sub munitions from their rail guns. Yet still they came on.

The firepower we laid down was above and beyond what the academy at Kais-shi teaches us would be sufficient to break a foe of such numbers, yet Slaanesh’s troops did not falter. Truly were these warriors brave! The slaughter continued, with my warriors falling back and firing into the charging mass. No matter how many we killed, there were more to take their place and I feared we might not have the firepower to deal with these numbers. But then my left hammered into the flank of Slaanesh’s army, throwing it into confusion as the untainted Kroot warriors carved a path through their ranks and a swirling EEC erupted as these warriors fell upon their corrupted kin. In the confusion, I launched a counter-attack of my own.

Together with my escorting Shas’vr, I fought through the center of the horde and linked with the bloodstained Kroot to surround Slaanesh. Now, as any student of mine from Kais-shi will tell you, I am a Tau little given to flights of fancy or romantic notions of beauty, but as I faced this being in shocking pinks and blues, I was very nearly entranced by the colors and heady musk's that seemed somehow to permeate my battlesuit. I quickly threw off such notions and dispatched the villain with a shot from my fusion blaster. His death seemed to throw his minions into disarray and within minutes they were a broken mob, fleeing in utter panic. I knew I could not allow such a foe to escape, ordering a full pursuit, and by nightfall we had destroyed every last remnant of Slaanesh’s army. As I returned to our original ambush site, I found the Kroot dispatching their sickly comrades and pitching them atop a vast pyre. I have seen that is the normal custom of the Kroot to feast on the bodies of their fallen kin, but after what had happened in the battle, I could not blame them for their caution. The Kroot would not leave until the pyre had burned to ashes and the remains scattered to the wind. When the fire burned out, we collected our dead and left Ke’lshan.

I shudder to think of what might have happened had Slaanesh been allowed to claim Ke’lshan as his own and I offer thanks to the Ethereals that their prescience led my warriors and I to that world. To allow such a debased echo of our former selves to exist would have dishonored all those who have fought and died for the Greater Good.

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-strange-nope-no-benedict-cumberbatch-close-book-gif-13612586

[tulip tundra]

interesting

[plush mason]

can they be any more naive?

[tulip tundra]

I thought the Kroot ate damn near everything and tanked it

[storm jungle]

Your average Imperial cant even read

so it kinda comes and goes

[plush mason]

tbf thats not naivety thats just stupidity

[storm jungle]

they go off to join chaos cults right away 💀

[plush mason]

and tbf in a lot of cases thats a better option for them lol

[storm jungle]

TRU

[barren tapir]

Yes, they can ask eldar to join the tau empire

[plush mason]

lol

[barren tapir]

I love that event lol

[plush mason]

"wait your serious? let me laugh harder"

[barren tapir]

But yes, tau are naive, but that is their thing, they think they are high achievers, while in truth they are quite small, they did got some great things tbf, but they know nothing of the galaxy

They are also following each step that a recently grown civ do

Mankind was no different during its early time

[signal hill]

how is the tau shism at the moment doing btw?
there was a splinter group which rejected the ethereals following commander shadowsun iirc?

[plush mason]

mankind in 40k took the the stars with literally god machines that could destroy worlds in seconds

[barren tapir]

Farsight, not shadowsun, shadowsun was ordered to capture or kill farsight

[signal hill]

oh yeah, that one
(dang almost nailed it)

[plush mason]

how that work out?

[signal hill]

right, shadowsun was the one canonically known female tau that had a model

[barren tapir]

Shadowsun let farsight run, since farsight actually saved the life of shadowsun

[plush mason]

i see

[signal hill]

farsight has a vision, which makes his name quite fitting
I also disliked that they had to add an evil streak to the tau with the implied brainwashing and whatnot, so I am all for commander farsight 😛

[barren tapir]

Brainwashing?

[final spruce]

We do have another one

The flamethrower lady from Farsight's 7

[signal hill]

the communion helmets for the vespids and supposedly the ethereals use pheromones to control other tau

[barren tapir]

I don't know about the communion helmets, but the pheromones thing is old lore, and even then it was just an in setting theory by a genetor that examinated tau bodies, which also didn't revealed anything about pheromones being a thing

[signal hill]

first time I hear that

[signal hill]

good to know about the pheromones
it's hard to keep up with wh lore 😛

[final spruce]

I mean the Eight

Commander Torchstar

Actually nevermind

She doesn't have a mini on her own

[signal hill]

and no entry in the wiki I usually look into
and only a minimal one in the lexicanum

[final spruce]

yeah she doesn't appear in the books outside of the Tau supplement

[rose thorn]

It was a noise marine btws

[vapid tiger]

Or a daemon prince but given that it died in a single fusion blast shot it could just be a chaos lord

[rose thorn]

I just imagine bal’kor is like a kid in a divorce between the 4 gods

Belkor

Be’lakor, ffs I can’t ever spell his name right

[plush mason]

none of those demon names are easy to spell or even say lol

[vapid tiger]

Be'lakor is a fantasy character who in 40k is just there

[storm jungle]

Yeah his lore in 40k is a lot more subdued

mostly because his achievements dont really matter much when its just the galaxy instead of a single world

[vapid tiger]

And that he was made for fantasy

That's a lot of daemon characters

[storm jungle]

Yeah be'lakor is only in 40k because:

"Idk we gotta sell his model both ways"

[shadow plover]

many named daemons are in both settings

but that doesn't mean they're connected per se

[storm jungle]

Yeah they arent connected

its just to sell the minis more

and it makes sense tbh

[vapid tiger]

The only daemons with models that really seem meant for 40k primarily compared to fantasy/aos are the horus heresy ones

Ka'Bandha comes to mind

[vapid tiger]

Yeah but most of them have backgrounds that connect a bit more to fantasy than 40k

Skarbrand for example actually left a blazing trail in the chaos wastes in the old world where he landed (and lost his wings from the landing) whereas in 40k it's just "he landed in realspace or somewhere in the warp idk he lost his wings from the landing tho"

[shadow plover]

Yeah I'm not too familiar with their origins lore

Ku'Gath is the one that dropped into the pot but that's about it

and Skarbrand

that's about it what I know

[vapid tiger]

I think the most blatant recent example is Syl'Esske

Who is very much more of an AoS character but is also in 40k because daemon model

It was also weird during The End Times when ka'bandha showed up because he's more of a 40k character

His new model even has a chainaxe

[rose thorn]

Like how the skull cannon and blood crushers have like, piston legs and exhaust pipes and crap

It’s so weird

My head cannon is that the warp exists multiple dimensions, so when Slaanesh was born in 40K that’s why she disappeared in AOS

[storm jungle]

Theres a reason GW dumped that idea in the mid 2000's

it makes a convoluted universe even worse

[rose thorn]

Lmao

Fair

[storm jungle]

Because you get things like

"chaos can destroy worlds but cant conquer one planet"

[rose thorn]

I know there’s an elf who is in both AOS and 40K

[storm jungle]

There is?

[vapid tiger]

Now you listen here dilara and you listen good

I'll have you know that the inconsistent color of unpainted ceramite is not convoluted at all

[storm jungle]

💀

[rose thorn]

Yeah I think she’s some uhhh fucking philosopher or some shit for the yunri

[vapid tiger]

Because GW can't decide on that either

[rose thorn]

And in AOS she’s a random background character

[storm jungle]

Yunri?

[rose thorn]

Undead elves

[storm jungle]

I mean AOS is the same universe as Fantasy

so there is returning characters

[vapid tiger]

Grey knights: unpainted armor apparently
30k Death guard: Apparently also unpainted armor???

But they're two different colors?

[rose thorn]

Hang on let me see if I can finder her wikis

[vapid tiger]

The ynnari?

[rose thorn]

YEAH

I can’t spell their name

Actually most warhammer names I can’t spell

[vapid tiger]

Oh yvraine

[storm jungle]

OH

yeah but it isnt the same character

its just the same name

lmao

[lyric ember]

Most of them i cant fucking remember either

[storm jungle]

thats lazy writing more than an outright connection

[vapid tiger]

I think ca put her name into a total war attached short story as some bodyguard but I think they just used the same name because uh

"Uhhh elf name"

[lyric ember]

God damn xenos

[storm jungle]

Yeah yvraine is a really minor character in fantasy

[lyric ember]

Stupid names

[storm jungle]

and again unrelated

[rose thorn]

yvraine

[storm jungle]

||Ferrus Mannus Moment||

[rose thorn]

She’s in both 40K and AOS

[storm jungle]

She isnt

Shes a 40k character

[lyric ember]

Id shit talk the iron hands but they like mechanicus so i cant

[rose thorn]

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Yvraine

It’s either the same character or share the same name

[vapid tiger]

WAIT

[storm jungle]

I said it a second ago lmao

[rose thorn]

I think it might just be a name

[storm jungle]

Just the name

[vapid tiger]

THEY DO JUST SHARE THE SAME NAME

[storm jungle]

it isnt the smae character

[vapid tiger]

AND LOOK AT THE SOURCE

[storm jungle]

I LITERALLY JUST SAID THIS

[vapid tiger]

IT PREDATES 40K YVRAINE

[rose thorn]

Oh lmao

[storm jungle]

but yeah just coincidence

[lyric ember]

Or is it

[real stone]

And this is why 40k lore is so dumb

[vapid tiger]

THEY JUST FUCKING TOOK THE NAME FROM FANTASY AND SLAPPED IT ON THE NEW MODEL BECAUSE "LOL ELF NAME"

[real stone]

Yes

[vapid tiger]

Forgivable tbh

[rose thorn]

That’s honestly hilarious

[languid plover]

don't let them know about everything else in fantasy and shit

[storm jungle]

To be fair

nobody would ever really know this

[rose thorn]

What if they just start naming random background characters in AOS and fantasy with like major 40K character names

[storm jungle]

LOL

id do that tbh

just to troll

[rose thorn]

‘Yeah thsi is my horse breeder Gulliman.’

[languid plover]

I mean isn't there a nurgle demon in both fantasy and 40k?

and also

[vapid tiger]

Yarrick, shop owner in Hammerhal

[languid plover]

belakor?

[storm jungle]

Demons dont count

[languid plover]

fair enough

[storm jungle]

they are in both universes

kinda

[languid plover]

hmm

[storm jungle]

some got specific ones but like

thats rare cases

[rose thorn]

Tbh I’m not gonna complain about daemons, that just makes them 2 armies for the price of one

[lyric ember]

Are there any occurrences where the chaos gods mention "oh you're like that one cunt from that other era of humans"

[storm jungle]

Nope

like i said the universes arent connected

[lyric ember]

Oh

[storm jungle]

GW dropped this idea around the time fantasy got nuked

since its just kinda unnecessary

[lyric ember]

Didnt see that, sorry

[real stone]

Although it’s highly implied that the silver knight from one of the fantasy books isn’t exactly from the fantasy universe

Shits funky

[storm jungle]

It isnt

theres not really any implications at all

[rose thorn]

The blessed silver knight of Slaanesh?

[storm jungle]

its just a random character

[vapid tiger]

Silver knight is literal background nobody character

[storm jungle]

^

People just make connections

because conspiracies sell

[vapid tiger]

40k fans* make connections

[storm jungle]

that too

[vapid tiger]

Fantasy fans generally don't

[storm jungle]

"GK wear silver, Silver Knight is called silver."

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-explaining-gif-13403485

[real stone]

Silver knight is explained as being bigger and stronger than a normal person, is evidently just another brettonian

[storm jungle]

French Moment

but yeah its never said who it is so who knows

[lyric ember]

That reminds me

Do the SoB have french accents

Cause they all have that one symbol

Fleur de whatever

[real stone]

No

[final spruce]

Its the Fleur de Lys and no they aren't french

They are recruited from everywhere

[real stone]

Basically every SoB we’ve heard talk sounds like everyone else in 40k

So generally English

[storm jungle]

The fleur has more religious significance than french

its why its their symbol

[storm jungle]

Kinda

[lyric ember]

I see

[final spruce]

Not really

[storm jungle]

a lot of SoB audiobooks have them speaking in heavy european accents

[storm jungle]

Yeah really

In Christianity, lilies symbolize purity and chastity, which may be why the fleur-de-lis historically represents the Virgin Mary. Coins from the 11th century, noble seals, statues, and stained-glass windows depict Mary holding the flower.

also insert "huehue chastity" joke here

[lyric ember]

I see

[storm jungle]

SoB got like 0 french influences and are heavily gothic

[final spruce]

It has been used as royalty crest since the 9th century tho

But that's for another chat that is dead now

[storm jungle]

OOF

but yeah that significance isnt the reason it was picked as their sigil

[final spruce]

But I agree it has religious meaning

[lyric ember]

A moment of silence, for the dead channels

[final spruce]

I just disagree witht he fact its mainly a religious one

[lyric ember]

This has been, a moment of silence for the dead channels

[final spruce]

Oh well they'll come back eventually

[lyric ember]

Perhaps

[final spruce]

Once we get more mods

So get to it Dilara

[storm jungle]

I'll try

[lyric ember]

I was about to say yeah, dilara for mod

[storm jungle]

and yeah they'll come back the moment the devs realise closing the channels was kinda pointless

[final spruce]

Also that people will just spam in other channels

Like we are doing rn

[lyric ember]

Mhm

[real stone]

We just take the offtopic, and push it over there!

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/working-fast-vroom-church-pastor-gif-9924487

[lyric ember]

What are the orks opinions on bolters

Like do they try to replicate them

Or just "humie dakka ain't as good as Ork Dakka"

[storm jungle]

Orks like any gun that shoots really

[final spruce]

They got their own shootas but will happily loot bolters

[storm jungle]

^

they usually use a lot more of your basic machine-gun weapons

[final spruce]

Then they kustom the bolter

[storm jungle]

but thats more of a trademark thing

[lyric ember]

So those ork-marine models could technically be canon

Since i imagine they'd all take beakie armor

[final spruce]

You could , 40k is big

You can make anything happen

[vapid tiger]

Many shootas are either bolters or imitatons of bolters

Or guns that fire projectiles that might as well be bolts either literally or just in terms of having the same effect on a human body

I mean in 1e era orks literally wielded bolters

[trim cypress]

I think the accents/VAs from Dawn of War is pretty spot on for all of them

[vapid tiger]

Since in 1e all of the usual weapons were just "weapon classifications" that were used amongst both humans and xenos

So eldar had bolters too for example but mainly used shuriken catapults

[molten token]

i doubt it. space marines couldnt take on so many orks if it were true since bolters are usually shown to be very useful against power armor. IIRC guardsman flak armor can offer some protection against them aswell but i cant for the life of me remember the source of this

[vapid tiger]

But conversely marines also had Imperial shuriken catapults

[vapid tiger]

Humans use bolters too

[molten token]

yea but it's a rarity for the most part. sisters of battle have bolters and its one of the main things that make them able to take on CSM without a massive numbers advantage

are we talking current era 40k

[vapid tiger]

Orks can reverse engineer rough bolter analogues if a mek can get his hands on one

[vapid tiger]

I mean I'm talking 40k as a whole

[trim cypress]

Are Sororitas normal humans or are they augmented like space marines?

[final spruce]

In 1e everybody had the same weapon, even eldars and had to choose

[final spruce]

Normal humans

[trim cypress]

Pretty stronk to use normal bolters then

[final spruce]

The only augment they get is cybernetic implants to interface better with their power armour

[vapid tiger]

Power armor is one hell of a strength enhancer

[final spruce]

They have power armour + human sized bolters exist

[molten token]

i gotta say tempestus scions got the shortest end of the stick out of the the schola progenium guys. sisters of battle get bolters and power armor, arbites wear a tank on them and have bolters and refractor shields and all sorts of pseudo space marine gear, but the scions just get slightly better guardsmen things

[final spruce]

Well, usually their cuirass isn't far off from the arbites carapace and, ngl tempestus scions are amongst the most "basic combat roles" you can get at the Progenium

If we forego the non-combat ones

[trim cypress]

I hope the game will have a lot of customization for the different classes, it's not often games give you the chance to play as a more normal type of human in 40k

[vapid tiger]

Arbites wear carapace armor that's worse than scion armor

[whole shadow]

"Mortal" bolters are a rank apart and are so designed that mere humans can wield them. Designed with smaller grips and lighter construction, these bolters do not have the same capacity for slaughter as the Astartes versions, yet can easily cut a man in two. - The Inquisitor's Handbook, pg. 173

[storm jungle]

Every boltgun is functionally the same

theres no "mortal" analogue lol

people act like firing a boltgun will rip your hands off or something

[vapid tiger]

They just have smaller grips and less bolts in the magazine

[storm jungle]

^

literally this

its not a different weapon

[whole shadow]

official lore says otherwise

[final spruce]

Depending of the sources they do downgrade the ammo a bit

[storm jungle]

shrug

[vapid tiger]

Like the difference between certain halo weapons that are "spartan sized" and "not spartan sized" where the only thing that changes is the size of the grip and maybe the frame

[storm jungle]

Official lore contradicts itself constantly

so doesnt matter

[molten token]

the weird thing i found about the cast of darktide is that they chose the oddest group of " normal humans " to take on hordes of cultists etc. Like I could imagine a reteniue of an arbiter, scion, tech priest taking on larger groups than themselves but like, Guardsmen?

[vapid tiger]

Official lore says all 40k era boltguns fire .75 caliber ammunition

[storm jungle]

Anyone can be a part of an inquisitor retinue

[vapid tiger]

There is absolutely zero fluff saying humans fire .50 caliber or smaller boltguns compared to astartes

[storm jungle]

its not that weird

[final spruce]

That is the point of the game

Or you mean lore wise

[whole shadow]

The mighty Adeptus Astartes are superhuman in every way, and so too are their weapons. Each is oversized, specially designed for their great strength and large physiques. This is especially true of bolter weapons such as boltguns and bolt pistols. Massive and reinforced like their users, even the ammunition clips are sheathed in protective wards and armour, with hand-grips larger than any human hand can manage and a weight that would require most humans to use a support bracing. Indeed a human trying to fire such a weapon would likely suffer recoil of such strength that it would rip their arm from its socket. Space Marine boltguns are simply not something seen outside of their sacred ranks.

[storm jungle]

Oh god

[vapid tiger]

They're expendable

[storm jungle]

dont all marines "mighty"

lmao

[vapid tiger]

Literally "they are bigger"

[storm jungle]

^

[molten token]

no i get it i just mean its kinda funny taking guardsmen who are the bottom scrapers of the imperial's forces and having them be the stars of a horde shooter

[storm jungle]

I mean kind of?

humans be humans

[final spruce]

The lore for Darktide is that, they asked a whole ass regiment to come down there to manage the Pox, but said regiment, the Moebian 6th turned traitor and now, the planet is kinda of a fuck, so the Inquisitor works with what he has, convicts

[vapid tiger]

Nothing that says that a guardsman heavy bolter is just a regular bolter to a space marine which is a ridiculous idea

[storm jungle]

Also its largely a mini thing as well, guardsman need more trademark weapons of their own faction among other things.

Its usually largely down to how good it will look on a toybox front cover

[molten token]

like is their flak armor so much better than evil guardsman flak armor that one could tank 5 clips of autogun shells and the enemy prolly dies from 3 shots

[storm jungle]

Its just a game

i woulnt think too deep on it

[final spruce]

I mean , yours manage t o ank the 3 shots in your way, in the trailer, the traitor guardsman tanks an ogryn breach loader round

[whole shadow]

Yeah. Bigger. Better, harder hitting rounds (higher quality, more propellent, etc). "Same" type of gun but Astartes version. Clearly a difference.

[vapid tiger]

Outside of the monstrously inflated stats of deathwatch and black crusade which are secondary sources and the designers admitted that they only did it to accomodate the monstrous stats they gave astartes

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[vapid tiger]

Which can easily be houseruled to provide the same intent with less clunk

[whole shadow]

Which is why there's "Mortal" Bolters and then there's ASTARTES bolters

[storm jungle]

Literally every gun in 40k can negate the "pros" of another faction and make mincemeat out of them

Marine equipment isnt that special

[vapid tiger]

Is game

In vermintide I can get sliced 3 times by a ratman with a halberd and live

[storm jungle]

Also yeah lmao

in the end its just up to those factors

[vapid tiger]

But on the table in whfb halberds ripped people apart

[trim cypress]

It's very similar to Vermintide tbh, I'm cool with the cast

[molten token]

yea but warhammer fantazy has alot of magic in it you can just say " oh the guy has magic sigmar armor"

[storm jungle]

Its just a game

[final spruce]

Plus the Fatshark devs are big nerds of Dark Heresy

[storm jungle]

same deal

[vapid tiger]

That's

Not how whfb worked

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[vapid tiger]

AoS maybe

[final spruce]

They just wanted to do Dark Heresy the Game if there was no subtelty stat

[storm jungle]

Yeah in AoS the only humans with space marine tier armor are the Stormcasts

[vapid tiger]

But even then it's a stretch considering freeguilders are about as strong as empire swordsmen

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[vapid tiger]

They just occasionally use weird fantastical materials that provide the same protection/strength due to exotic environment

[trim cypress]

Afaik Kruber and Saltz are normal humans (bar some of the alternative classes) and the only one with some special power is Sienna for being able to control magic.

[molten token]

i wonder if plague marines will replace the chaos lord bosses in vermintide. Like dont give them bolters obv but if they have those plague flud spewers or a giant rusty sword it could work

[storm jungle]

Yep, everything else is just gameplay related

nobody wants to play Arma where you get like 10 wounds from jumping too high and get killed in 2 shots

in the end its a horde shooter

you need some liberties

[vapid tiger]

I'm a big dark heresy nerd and even I consider restatting marine ranged weaponry due to how ridiculous it is

Because apparently ogryns would be less strong than your rank and file marine when we have fluff passages about ogryns picking up chaos marines like toys and ripping them apart if the marine isn't on his guard

[trim cypress]

The indominable spirit of mankind is their superpower

[molten token]

i wonder how carreers are gonna work in darktide. will we get like careers of guardsmen from different regiments or have them switch professions completely to like techpriests or smt

[vapid tiger]

A marine dies to a fucking wooden spear in The First Heretic

[storm jungle]

LOL

I remember that

its great

[molten token]

bruh

[vapid tiger]

they are far from MIGHTY and invulnerable

[final spruce]

I'd catter that mostly to DH being quite old, that's soemthing that is fixed later in DH2 too I believe

[whole shadow]

In the "reality" of the Vermintide story, I'm assuming the group isn't actually fighting off 4,000 enemies at a time

[vapid tiger]

Fits the original intent of the fluff

[storm jungle]

Yeah Marines can die just like anything else

[final spruce]

I'd need to look at OW stats to see if an ogryn is stronger than a marine

[storm jungle]

they just got more plating/armor

[vapid tiger]

Then I'd have to assume the same for captain titus in space marine but I just go "eh is game"

[molten token]

i mostly get my lore from each faction's codex rather than black library. alot of authors give off a feeling like they're writing a general story they wanna tell but texture it with 40k terminology

[final spruce]

You gottab abandon the already bad and bloated lore of 40k if you want good gameplay

[storm jungle]

^

[final spruce]

The point of the lore is to make everything overpowered

Unless you're guard

But that's the faction's point

[storm jungle]

That and its to make them seem awesome so you go buy minis

same reason why the books exist

its just marketing

[final spruce]

Books are just there to sell

[vapid tiger]

Dead marines

Dead marine

[storm jungle]

my guy got BLOWN UP

[vapid tiger]

Another one

[molten token]

40k lore is rly weird i recall a story of a chapter of SM just surprise crashing into a craftworld and pretty much commiting mega genocide there yet aspect warriors are meant to 1 v 1 SM's lol

[storm jungle]

Lol yeah uh

thats just bad writing

ignore it

[whole shadow]

If you read all of it, it's stated that this was a ridiculously rare freak accident to the point that it was laughably. And we also don't know the rest of the circumstances (What was the Marine's condition before it, etc)

[final spruce]

Sadly marines suffer from being the poster boys

[vapid tiger]

It'd be a ridiculous freak accident for a GUARDSMAN to die to a wooden spear bruh

[molten token]

i've been into 40k for close to 6 years now yet i feel like i barely get anything about what beats what in this setting lmao

[atomic pelican]

Its Gav™️

[final spruce]

So they get a lot of bad books

[whole shadow]

Not really but ok.

[vapid tiger]

The point is they're not superheroes they're just supersoldiers

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically

[storm jungle]

Honestly

anything beats anything

40k works on the mad power of plot armor

every faction is suitably OP to handle the other

for example the regular necron warriors can insta-kill most marines with just 1-2 blasts from their gauss weapons

and they are the most technology advanced faction in the lore

but they gotta be handicapped through various means so they dont just wipe out everyone

[trim cypress]

Anything dies to a writer that doesnt like the character

[storm jungle]

This too

[vapid tiger]

gonna work for gw and make sure all the other loyalist primarchs are dead

and they all die to one avatar of khaine

that will be my contribution

[molten token]

when it comes to stories i feel like CSM are the least fleshed out. like almost every CSM story has this twist where these satan worshipping soldiers are respectful to their slaves and its like wut

[storm jungle]

I mean

thats only for like the night lords books?

and thats just 1-3 chaos marines

most traitor astartes treat the entire populaces they rule over like shit

[molten token]

night lords and another ones i forgot. they're like pirates

[storm jungle]

Red Corsairs?

[final spruce]

ADB's book seem to flesh em out fine

[molten token]

yea i think those guys

[storm jungle]

Yeah most chaos marines arent like that

every faction and sub-faction in there has its own individualistic paths

unless its lazily written

[molten token]

yeah i guess

i just feel like for the most part chaos warbands arent as unique as chapters

[storm jungle]

They arent sadly

Tho same can be said for the Marine chapters

some successor chapters get randomly mentioned and have like 2 sentences of lore

[trim cypress]

Tbh I kinda like the stories where eldar and imperials team up

But then I am an elf simp so

[storm jungle]

Nothing wrong with that

just dont let the Imperial stans hear you

[molten token]

it really boils down to " they're absolute maniacs" or " they're chaos marines but.... RATIONAL??" . they have these vast general things about them but never a fleshed out culture or goals

[trim cypress]

I have plot armour, they cant hurt me

[storm jungle]

YEP

So this is the reality of 40k

it has a lot of lore but also isnt that deep

people really overhype some portions of the setting

[vapid tiger]

I think Talos notes in Soul Hunter that he hates the Black Legion because they represented "most" traitor marines

And were more evil than even he could tolerate

And this is a guy who regularly tortures people and kills innocents

[molten token]

lol

[vapid tiger]

And owns slaves

[storm jungle]

Yeah Chaos-Marines™️ are basically R-Rated Decepticons if that helps lol

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-haha-transformer-megatron-g1-gif-18658701

[vapid tiger]

And I believe him given that ADB also writes the black legion books and they get

Really evil in there

[trim cypress]

Is the CSM lore still that they cant make new ones and they only boost their numbers if a loyalist turns and joins their side?

[storm jungle]

Both

CSM still make marines the old fashioned way

just uh

less gentle

[trim cypress]

[storm jungle]

But you also need to treat it like a RTS

they gotta find supplies

they gotta raid

they gotta boost their number

they gotta get new guns

etc

[trim cypress]

Yeah iirc they dont really have a logistical system

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

[molten token]

i feel like in general 40k is "humanising" humanity too much. like you take a look at modern dictatorships or historical ones and they usually result in a very cynical, adapted people, But in 40k, where they're ruled by a literal death cult that teaches you that you're nothing aside from your duty to the emprah but still like people mourn when their family members die or get shot or get executed etc

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats for marketing

like in reality the Imperium is fucking awful

but we ban people here weekly

who preach that the Imperium is the good guys

and you're better off starving to death working in a factory choking on fumes

[molten token]

bruh thats a rule

?

[storm jungle]

Nah

i mean people who are like

"WTF DO YOU MEAN THE IMPERIUM IS BAD?"

[whole shadow]

?

[storm jungle]

They actually think they are doing good acts when they genocide their own people daily

[whole shadow]

I mean when all of space and time is at stake

[molten token]

bro im a grimderp addict im like that crying star wars soyboy gif whenever i hear a story about a guardsman saving his regiment but he picked up like a tau rifle so he got shot and spat on by the commisar

[storm jungle]

LMAO

YEAH

[storm jungle]

It isnt tho

humanity is the entire reason the galaxy is in peril

[trim cypress]

Imperium is great if you're a governor on a garden world

[storm jungle]

and offer the greatest champions of chaos to its ranks

literally almost every imperial world has a chaos cult

since people seek to escape the evil regime of the imperium and get enthralled to something worse

[whole shadow]

Which is why you gotta do some genocide time to time

[storm jungle]

No

lmao

The Imperium is a failing empire as many authors have stated

it stays afloat because you gotta sell toys

People like me enjoy the Imperium because they are cartoonishly evil and got a cool aesthetic

[trim cypress]

I dunno its just a fantasy setting, Tau is probably the race closest resembling anything we have IRL today in terms of society etc

[molten token]

one of the main arguements is taht like " bro that's just in the hive worlds" you mean the ones with quintillions of people making up the majority of the human populace? like 11 pleasure worlds are nothing compared to a hive city neighbourhoo

[storm jungle]

THANK YOU

that argument is just as bad

do you wanna see what farming worlds look like?

[molten token]

aside from pleasureworlds the best you can get in 40k is being the most overworked 9-5'r in our reality

[storm jungle]

Its basically hell

[whole shadow]

Humanity didn't open the eye of terror so

[vapid tiger]

I remember the ending of Black Legion had Khayon doing some big evil sacrifice to summon a LoC on the Vengeful Spirit for Abaddon

[storm jungle]

Weak argument

but ok

[molten token]

lmao

[storm jungle]

[vapid tiger]

And it was

So fucking evil

[whole shadow]

I mean its a fact

[twin shoal]

alright whats going on in here?

[final spruce]

Technically, Humanity cut the galaxy in half

[storm jungle]

Who opened the Rift again

oh right the chaos marines

who went traitor because the Imperium sucks and got tricked

now the entire galaxy is on fire

see I can do it too

lmao

[whole shadow]

We didnt start the fire

[storm jungle]

oof

[trim cypress]

I blame Eldar

[storm jungle]

RIP

[whole shadow]

Blame the Old Ones

[storm jungle]

but yeah the point is the Imperium is bad and you are suppose to have fun in it

[vapid tiger]

I wouldn't blame humanity so much as the Emperor's stupid plan failing to the extent that other perpetuals went "this plan is stupid and evil and will not have good results" and left him

And then it turned out to not have good results

[twin shoal]

the old ones didnt betray the emperor due to having daddy issues or whatever horus did