#40k-lore-chat

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storm jungle
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or live in an Imperium he never wanted

crisp heath
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Because if you don’t there are worse alternative

storm jungle
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There isnt

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lmao

vapid tiger
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This video is incredibly racist wtf dude

barren tapir
storm jungle
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the Imperium is pretty much shit as anywhere

rose thorn
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At least chaos your gods are at least aware you exist

barren tapir
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And it is hard to quantify them

alpine ingot
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there are worlds in the Imperium that are for the most part pretty decent, but these worlds are pretty rare compared to the number of worlds we see in stories detailing how shit the Imperium can be

rose thorn
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And you have freedom, at the cost of your mortal soul

storm jungle
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tbh

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the Imperium is racist too so it checks out

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👏

crisp heath
storm jungle
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Same shit

barren tapir
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Wat?

crisp heath
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No it’s not

rose thorn
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Literally the same thing

barren tapir
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Wat?

crisp heath
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Human supremacy is based

storm jungle
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What did the xenos do

dusk knot
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Xenophobic is right there to use

alpine ingot
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would it be considered racist to hate abhumans?

storm jungle
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Yes

alpine ingot
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then Dilara is correct

barren tapir
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And the imperium do that on a daily basis

crisp heath
storm jungle
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Uh

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thats what the Imperium does too

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you know that right

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No they werent

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you are aware they are sentient and innocent xenos races right

barren tapir
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Uhm... This seems takes of bad loretubers tbh

storm jungle
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????

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THEY DO

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LMAO

crisp heath
real stone
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The MF eldari who saved robot girlyman

storm jungle
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They literally sanctioned one xenos race and the moment they found out they had rejuvenating properties they sucked their bodies to death and made them all extinct

alpine ingot
cerulean wagon
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alliance with teh tau after contact with... hive fleet kraken?

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i think it was kraken

storm jungle
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WHAT

barren tapir
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Wat?

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Wat?

storm jungle
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...wha-

real stone
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I am confusion

rose thorn
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Fuck sake are we having this conversation again?

storm jungle
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Next you'll tell me Transexual Necrons are a bad thing

rose thorn
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Argument

barren tapir
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Dunnot mates, all this is kinda sus

tawdry wyvern
rose thorn
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It’s always once a month

barren tapir
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I'm kinda seeing a pattern

storm jungle
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OKAY

barren tapir
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And not a good one

alpine ingot
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40k-lore-chat has hurt itself in confusion!

storm jungle
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THATS IT

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HES OUTTA HERE

real stone
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That's just wildly racist

rose thorn
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AHAHAHAAH WHAT THE FUCK

barren tapir
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<@&735928989146939404>

tawdry wyvern
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that video showed pretty much all

storm jungle
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Watch your language dipshit

crisp heath
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I might buy this bruh

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storm jungle
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You are literally

rose thorn
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EVERY MONTH AHAHAH

storm jungle
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being a 40k server

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allows racism

real stone
storm jungle
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Next you'll tell me space marines having colored people in them is bad

barren tapir
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<@&735928989146939404>

storm jungle
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KDSFKJDFS

crisp heath
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@urban swan bruh calm down you know this is a public server bruh no way to act

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It’s just cringe honestly

storm jungle
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Im fucking dying

tawdry wyvern
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this too, like wtf

storm jungle
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HOLY SHIT

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🤣

barren tapir
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Welp, i called it

crisp heath
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Average space marine fan

barren tapir
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I was right once again

storm jungle
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🤔

crisp heath
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It’s funny it says black library

storm jungle
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the what diaries now

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are you alright

barren tapir
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I'm scared to search

crisp heath
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Dude it’s 40k not a political movement

storm jungle
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Also man, why is almost every Imperial fan such a racist.

crisp heath
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Go paint models

storm jungle
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You got a problem with that?

barren tapir
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What the fuck this should have to do with all this?

tawdry wyvern
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define rational minded

crisp heath
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Yep but I don’t want to ruin peoples day because they enjoy a hobby bro

storm jungle
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Fight me ye git

alpine ingot
barren tapir
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WTH has slaneesh to do with that?

storm jungle
crisp heath
storm jungle
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Alas

storm jungle
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Most of you guys are cool

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🫂

tawdry wyvern
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ah, so irrational then ok

plucky moth
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can you people just

barren tapir
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Pretty sure that was Gawain work

plucky moth
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not fucking be like this

crisp heath
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Dude like he’s fine to have his own opinions but bruh this is a hobby let people enjoy it

barren tapir
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Oh no it was Incan

storm jungle
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I literally got no idea

barren tapir
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Thank you Incan

storm jungle
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where this came from

plucky moth
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no worries

storm jungle
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like what the fuck

crisp heath
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Dude is straight cringe

vapid tiger
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I have observed

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Ruined the comedy club incan

crisp heath
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Lol

barren tapir
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Look, i just had a suspicion, but boi things escalated quickly

crisp heath
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I was trying to reason with him

vapid tiger
tawdry wyvern
crisp heath
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But honestly he is cringe he thinks he lives in 2016 or something

broken bridge
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FUCK

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FUCK

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I MISSED IT

vapid tiger
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I am racist against british people

broken bridge
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DAMN

barren tapir
storm jungle
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The battle is won its fine

real stone
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Nah, he was just wildly racist. That shit shouldn't be reasoned with

alpine ingot
storm jungle
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🤝

vapid tiger
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Dil I think he had a crush on you in the typical "phobes are secretly fans of whatever they're bigoted against" way

storm jungle
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LMAO

vapid tiger
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Kept asking for pics

storm jungle
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I sent him orangutan feet

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i hope thats okay

barren tapir
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But they wanted titties

crisp heath
rose thorn
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Is it done?

plucky moth
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I took care of it

storm jungle
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damn, orangutan got boobs too tho

cerulean wagon
barren tapir
vapid tiger
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Real men want ass pics

rose thorn
crisp heath
storm jungle
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Anyway, returning to the previous topic

rose thorn
storm jungle
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Tau are fine

barren tapir
vapid tiger
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@plucky moth post ass

storm jungle
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I dont really like them but they are cool

plucky moth
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what?

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my wife is absolutely packing, I can't hide what I am

crisp heath
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Destroy Tau OmegaGuardsmanHype OmegaGuardsmanHype OmegaGuardsmanHype

storm jungle
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KSJFDS

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INCAN NO

real stone
cerulean wagon
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incan like "damn girl you got CAKE"

tawdry wyvern
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40k-lore-chat: Talking about ass and tits. Ian Watson would be proud

alpine ingot
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CEASE

vapid tiger
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We need a pic of incan's ass and I will not be satisfied until that is the server banner

cerulean wagon
crisp heath
real stone
crisp heath
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Call the inquisition

storm jungle
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Gonna post some primaris ass 1 sec

plucky moth
alpine ingot
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got more cake then dbd pyramid head

vapid tiger
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I wonder how the darktide characters' asses will compare to the cake bardin's got

broken bridge
tawdry wyvern
crisp heath
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I hate this chat now Guarded Guarded

vapid tiger
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This is deep 40k lore

barren tapir
crisp heath
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Yep

cunning wigeon
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aw fuck, missed another troll?

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what did they say

real stone
barren tapir
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Get used to it, it is a recursive thing

plucky moth
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you know it's a warhammer server when it rapidly oscilates between racist and horny

real stone
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WILDLY

crisp heath
vapid tiger
broken bridge
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something really fucking racist

alpine ingot
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calling it now, at least one character is gonna suffer from frog butt

tawdry wyvern
cerulean wagon
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but ye to not interrupt dilara

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tau are fine

crisp heath
cunning wigeon
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oh damn lol

cerulean wagon
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except on tabletop

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tau players go in the bin

plucky moth
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Tau are based

crisp heath
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I disagree

cunning wigeon
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as are all minis

crisp heath
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Does that make me racist now

cunning wigeon
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its one of the most important steps

barren tapir
plucky moth
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plastic, usually

barren tapir
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The truth has been spoken!

cunning wigeon
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sometimes cork

vapid tiger
crisp heath
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Based plastic

cunning wigeon
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if you are being fancy with it

cerulean wagon
crisp heath
vapid tiger
cunning wigeon
vapid tiger
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I'll do artwork tau where the shitload of breachers are charging space marines

crisp heath
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Bringing 300 conscripts as imperial guard

cunning wigeon
cerulean wagon
crisp heath
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Any theories of what the new rumored guard models will be

tawdry wyvern
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right now? I want vitrians

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but the edited version

cerulean wagon
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we've seen kasirkin gloves

crisp heath
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I want another regiment that isn’t Cadian or Catachan

storm jungle
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and a new vehicle and regiment

crisp heath
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Whispers from the warp

storm jungle
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This list has been entirely correct so far

crisp heath
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2 new regiments

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Very cool very promising

broken bridge
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i wanna see the new vehicle

crisp heath
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Probably a big tank

barren tapir
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It should be a middle ground between leman russ and baneblade iirc

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So an actual MBT is quite probable

crisp heath
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Yea

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Very cool

tawdry wyvern
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speaking of new toys: shouldn't the guard get some new stuff from cawls discount store too by now?

storm jungle
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Replace all Leman Russes with hovercraft

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: )

crisp heath
barren tapir
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And seeing how the new models seems to be more reasonable than older ones (looking at you leman russ you fucking ugly box) i wouldn't be surprised if is inspired by M1 abrams or leopards

crisp heath
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Treads are cooler

final spruce
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I hope not I dont like the new designs for SM vehicles

barren tapir
tawdry wyvern
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call them crimson king hover tankslul

crisp heath
storm jungle
cunning wigeon
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super heavy cawlers

barren tapir
crisp heath
rose thorn
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Damn khorne daemons only look good in red Huh?

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And grey

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But everything looks good in grey

barren tapir
cunning wigeon
final spruce
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Someone has read deahttrap it seems

crisp heath
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It’s based off the WW1 Landship and that’s pretty cool to me

tawdry wyvern
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to be fair, its as ugly as its name-relative

barren tapir
tawdry wyvern
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plus somehow gets shit done

crisp heath
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I like the look it matches the guards whole aesthetic

barren tapir
storm jungle
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want me to get it

barren tapir
crisp heath
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Wasn’t the Leman Russ basically Farming equipment that they turned into a tank?

rose thorn
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OH YEAH ONE MORE QUESTION, do the blades of khorne sub factions actually have like, a lore difference?

crisp heath
edgy rapids
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you guys are cute

barren tapir
crisp heath
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That’s why there are so many regiments in the lore

tawdry wyvern
storm jungle
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thats a fan rumor

barren tapir
crisp heath
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Does anyone know for sure

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What it is

alpine ingot
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Leman Russ was a tank that was easy to mass produce and wasn't all that complicated compared to something like a baneblade. natural fit that it would be the main tank of the IG

barren tapir
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It is a modular design, it can be used to make tractors and to make tanks

tawdry wyvern
storm jungle
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thats the same dumb shit as people saying the baneblade being a scout tank

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or people saying Terminator suits were for mining

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when it was just repurposed from radiation suits for atomic reactors

rose thorn
storm jungle
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Nah its not you

rose thorn
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TAHT was me

storm jungle
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I only hate it when people spread it around CONSTANTLY

real stone
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It's the lore

storm jungle
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otherwise its a common mistake to make

real stone
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The stupid lore

rose thorn
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O

crisp heath
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I mean is it said what it is or are you just mad at the idea

cerulean wagon
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decide to die on that hill

storm jungle
crisp heath
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Just speculation

storm jungle
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Pretty much

cerulean wagon
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it being a scout tank is a joke from the community

storm jungle
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and misinformation

cerulean wagon
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that people have decided to take as truth

storm jungle
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mostly through 4chan yeah

crisp heath
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I mean it makes since the imperium barely knows shit

storm jungle
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when it was the mid 2000's and memes controlled 40k

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It doesnt though, its a tank

tawdry wyvern
storm jungle
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the Terminator suit makes more sense since its an actual hazard garment

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same as how Knights were just used to fight wild fauna on frontier worlds

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before being re-purposed to mech suits

cerulean wagon
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baneblades aren't fast enough to scout

storm jungle
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also the DAOT humanity was extremely advanced, why would they use some rusty ass baneblade

final spruce
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I think people may mix it up with knights actually being farm equipment that got repurposed ?

cerulean wagon
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you could walk faster

storm jungle
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at least for Knights thats properly in their lore

crisp heath
storm jungle
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They dont?

crisp heath
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Why does the STC exist then

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My brain hurts

storm jungle
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Use the lexi

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so does mine

crisp heath
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Bruh the STC was trolling

alpine ingot
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it's a really cheap piece of armor that can be mass produced

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that is why it exist

storm jungle
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also the DAOT humanity wasnt like a connected Empire either, they were thousands of segregated human socieities literally all doing their own thing.

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it was all kept together by a form of "Federation" that just let people do what they want

alpine ingot
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it isn't meant to be the best, it's meant to be able to be made in bulk and choke the enemy in armor

final spruce
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At the end of the day, the leman russ is just a modulable, easy to maintain, fix and refuel tank that does the job

storm jungle
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^

final spruce
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And thats where its strength lies

cerulean wagon
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Also just because the tech exists doesn't mean the DAoT humans used it a lot, just means it exist at some point during their reign

final spruce
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Its rugged and you can have plenty of them

alpine ingot
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The Leman Russ and the Chimera are like a build your own adventure book

crisp heath
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I mean what did the humans have to fight back then it sounds like they didn’t have to fight for existence like the imperium does

final spruce
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Them being easy to maintain and refuel also plays a big part in fielding big numbers

tawdry wyvern
storm jungle
alpine ingot
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except with a lot more treads

storm jungle
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DAOT weapons are endless

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because its all made up by the writers

alpine ingot
storm jungle
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Yeah that too

final spruce
crisp heath
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Men of Iron are androids right?

storm jungle
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Robots with intelligence basically

crisp heath
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What are men of Gold and Stone

cerulean wagon
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AI

slow prawn
final spruce
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Stone were settlers used to mine and get ressources

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Artifically created aswell

slow prawn
crisp heath
storm jungle
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We basically know nothing

crisp heath
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Droids even

storm jungle
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They are only alluded at

tawdry wyvern
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Bladreunner moment

final spruce
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We know nothing, which is why the current theory is that the LoV are the MoS

crisp heath
alpine ingot
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with how the HH was handled, I really don't want much of the DaoT to be reviled

storm jungle
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U-25?

final spruce
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Yeah Ur 25

storm jungle
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ye

crisp heath
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He looked like a human right

final spruce
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Nope

crisp heath
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Oh

final spruce
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Actually

storm jungle
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He was more like a fallout robot

cerulean wagon
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no he looks like a robot

final spruce
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He might have

storm jungle
cerulean wagon
tawdry wyvern
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But was he really 25?

final spruce
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He just slapped an aquilla on himself irc

crisp heath
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That’s him?

barren tapir
real stone
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Literally Bastion from overwatch, but a little bit more human

storm jungle
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wow

alpine ingot
storm jungle
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such an INSULT

storm jungle
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the admech he comes across are dumb enough to believe it

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since 25 acts like a mindless servitor

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as an act

final spruce
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And then he murderd them

storm jungle
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YEP

final spruce
real stone
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kek

storm jungle
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he also says he knows the real omnissiah

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and seeing the mechanicus?

crisp heath
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Dude so like he is just trolling

storm jungle
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that it would be dissapointed

barren tapir
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Yeah, he just state that he cannot give answers and that the techpriest that has sent him made sure of such and they believe him

real stone
slow prawn
final spruce
storm jungle
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Yep

final spruce
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Same reaction in the calgar comics

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Calls them monkeys

storm jungle
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or that one ship AI that decimates a space marine team

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calls them idiots

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and disappears off the galaxy

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YEET

final spruce
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I believe I mixed em yp

barren tapir
storm jungle
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LMAO yeah

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tho it was a mix of that

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and

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seeing his only crewmate human friend from DAOT die

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at the hands of the citizens of an Imperial planet he visited for help

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and they burned him on a pyre

barren tapir
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It wasn't just one

storm jungle
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Oh god yeah

barren tapir
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It was the entire crew

storm jungle
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YEP

final spruce
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Might have russled his digital gimmies

storm jungle
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I'd go fucking nihilistic too

barren tapir
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They went there to give warning and they got butchered

dusk knot
barren tapir
broken bridge
barren tapir
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The other one is when voidborn crews went on a planet on license and got nearly linched because they looked too bluish for the population there... And the arbites had to intervene because they were navy personel

storm jungle
barren tapir
barren tapir
tawdry wyvern
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To be fair, it's because writers want derpyness. There are enough Storys with reasonable people

storm jungle
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Ah im gonna go get the book excerpts

barren tapir
storm jungle
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🕵️‍♀️

barren tapir
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Oh, wait, the excerpts about how the AI spit shit in the face of the mechanicum?

storm jungle
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Yep

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@broken bridge

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here you go

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its the whole excerpt i think

alpine ingot
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fucking eldar, always trying to one up the humans

broken bridge
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god damn i feel bad for that AI

storm jungle
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Yeaaah

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hes literally innocent

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lmao

cerulean wagon
alpine ingot
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me meming about Dilara

cerulean wagon
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very funny and original?

storm jungle
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GOTTEM e_gottem

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nah its fine

barren tapir
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Oh, i see, the thing between me and Dilara

broken bridge
storm jungle
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Yeah its pretty mix

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since people kinda forget nobody really knows why the Men of Iron rebelled

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and that there were other machines ON the side of the humans too

vapid tiger
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DAOT humanity wasn't sharing xenos dick

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Men of iron wanted some

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Okay I'll stop being horny

alpine ingot
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I mean, not going to even attempt to or lie to myself about that being the most creative joke in the history of jokes.

tawdry wyvern
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Uhh, just to be sure. Big emps did plant the void dragon on Mars prior daot, right?
Could be that Moi found out that they aren't actually created by humans and felt betrayed

crisp heath
alpine ingot
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more like one of those low hanging fruit jokes you just toss out randomly from time to time.

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and then immediately ask yourself "why did I even say that?"

vapid tiger
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phynix chill you good

storm jungle
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Like, appraently St. George fighting the dragon in that one IRL piece is suppose to be inspired by the pre-historic Emperor fighting the void dragon

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...and then somehow hiding it under Mars?

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ıts one those "what the fuck do we do" plot points they never really expand on atm

cerulean wagon
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basically big E lore bad

storm jungle
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LOL

crisp heath
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Big E confusing

vapid tiger
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don't worry dilara hh lore is all an immaculate tapestry that the authors will magically make fit together just wait until the last sot novel you'll all see

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  • reddit
storm jungle
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⚰️

vapid tiger
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ALL THE BAD LORE WILL MAKE SENSE THEN

storm jungle
slow prawn
crisp heath
vapid tiger
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I've seen people genuinely argue that the sot novels will fix most of 40k's plot holes and wrap things up

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They've only opened up more so far

slow prawn
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I feel kinda bad for making fun of people on Reddit, then I hear stuff like this

vast frigate
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so... the spirit of eternity

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according to a thread, cawl bested it?

vapid tiger
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The what

cerulean wagon
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HH fanboys are like star wars fanboys

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THATS ANGRON, I KNOW THAT NAME. HES CALLED IT BECAUSE HES ANGRY

vapid tiger
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Oh the death of integrity ship

vapid tiger
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DO NOT LIKE

storm jungle
broken bridge
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whats hh?

storm jungle
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Horus Heresy

crisp heath
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Horus Heresy

cerulean wagon
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actual fuckin same brain LUL

broken bridge
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oh my fuck i should have known

storm jungle
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"I CLAPPED BECAUSE I KNOW PRIMARCHS"

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"ISTVAAN? THATS THE PLANET THE MARINES GET FUCKINED MURDERED ON"

tawdry wyvern
crisp heath
storm jungle
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LMAO

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Okay so

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not even joking

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go to r/40klore

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ANY DAY

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theres always like

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5 fucking threads

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about primarchs

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WHATS THE MATTER WITH THESE PEOPLE

cerulean wagon
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there always is

vapid tiger
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DEFENSE MODE

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"WHY DO YOU CARE WE JUST REALLY LIKE PRIMARCHS"

cerulean wagon
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and then the thread got locked to stop fights?

desert gate
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I've said this in other servers before

vapid tiger
desert gate
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30k was a mistake

vapid tiger
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I am actually a fan of the hh black books and think the hh is neat I just think the fucking novel series is 99% trash

crisp heath
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30K is a big anime arc

vapid tiger
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And people circlejerk the trash

desert gate
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We never should have let 40k fans have fleshed out Heresy or Primarch lore. They forgot 30k is supposed to be a prequel and sideshow not the main thing

vapid tiger
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And also overrate the stuff that isn't trash

cerulean wagon
storm jungle
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Imagine

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it all started

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from this one

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tiny

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text box

desert gate
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It should never have been more then that text box

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Sorry just 📠

slow prawn
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I view 30k as a necessary evil, help drain off and contain the Marine fans

crisp heath
desert gate
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They weren't as rabid before tho sanctus

vapid tiger
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Like I think 30k is cool from a broad point of view but its overall effects on 40k, specifically on the fandom and 40k's fluff, are disastrous

desert gate
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30k doesn't act as a drain or containment. It's just like giving the cringe marine fans a bunch of meth

brittle nebula
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I really haven’t delved into 30k as much as I have 40k what’s the difference?

cerulean wagon
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the only good ADB quote is that one where he called 30k players cringe

slow prawn
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Oh god, I think I’m starting to understand now

storm jungle
slow prawn
crisp heath
storm jungle
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The Great 30k, in ancient times when instead of;

  • Fighting Chaos
  • Genociding Xenos
  • Being Dogmatic
  • Space Marines
  • Primarchs
  • Dark Age AI Calling the Mechanicum Savages
  • Long Post Fall Eldar doing a Manipulate
  • Outdated tactics using half-understood technology to represent decline

In 40k now we get;

  • Fighting Chaos
  • Genociding Xenos
  • Being Dogmatic
  • Space Marines
  • Primarchs
  • Dark Age AI Calling the Mechanicum Savages
  • Long Post Fall Eldar (somehow) doing a Manipulate
  • Outdated tactics using half-understood technology to represent decline
slow prawn
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Just with way more Space Marines

storm jungle
#

^

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back then Marines were "Legions"

brittle nebula
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So basically no difference

slow prawn
#

And legions had an average size of 100,000 Astartes

desert gate
#

Also more primarchs

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And people are weird about said primarchs

crisp heath
#

Space Marine anime

slow prawn
#

They basically think of Primarchs as like super heroes

brittle nebula
#

I know of the legions and primarchs I was just wondering if I had missed something

slow prawn
#

This is literally a line from Unremembered Empire, an HH book btw

"The Lion emerged.

Despite himself, Guilliman felt his heart skip and his lungs pump. The Lion. The Lion. There were brothers that he could look down on, and was happy to, and there were brothers that he could admire. Rogal, Magnus and Sanguinius, and, damn him, even Russ. He could admire them for what they were. But there were only two brothers that he had ever actually looked up to, only two brothers that he had ever actually admired. There were only two brothers that he felt shadowed by when they were present. Lion El’Jonson and Horus Lupercal. The Lion emerged from his lander stony-faced, bareheaded, his long golden hair trailing in the wind. So beautiful, so deadly, so empty, so unreadable."

😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳😳

desert gate
#

"OMG DOEA ANYONE ELSE RELATE TO LE AWESOME -insert primarch here- HES JUST LIKE ME!!"

  • Average 40klore primarch poster
vast frigate
vapid tiger
#

Also I think the black books are mostly neat

slow prawn
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The Black Books are pretty cool, they’re written like in universe historical texts on the setting and factions

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Like the old Imperial Armor books

vapid tiger
#

Yeah they're nerd textbooks

desert gate
#

As good as the black books are

vapid tiger
#

i like imperial armour

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Therefore

desert gate
#

They opened the door to all of this

vapid tiger
#

I like the black books

vapid tiger
desert gate
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So I cannot condone their existence

vapid tiger
#

HH novel series started in 2006

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Black books only started releasing in 2012

slow prawn
#

Plus Alan Bligh, the guy who wrote IA, Horus Heresy was his dream project, his baby

cerulean wagon
#

This sums up the wide majority of dealing with the HH community

desert gate
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Yes but if 30k as a game system didn't become such a money maker they would have ended the heresy in maybe 20 books instead of a gorrilion

vapid tiger
tawdry wyvern
#

I like HH book series tbh. And I'm proud of enjoying the bonkersness they deliver Smug

slow prawn
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Yep, Siege of Terra only exists to milk even more money from the series

vapid tiger
#

Like genuinely the only decent pseudo-gatekeepy point the 30k community has made is "lol primaris marine fluff is kinda doo doo" but that's not a hot take

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It do be doo doo

Though usually they'll say it's doo doo for the wrong reasons like

alpine ingot
#

I like parts of the HH, but I doubt I will ever honestly finish it

cerulean wagon
#

it has 3 books worth reading

vapid tiger
#

"NO ONE CAN IMPROVE THE EMPEROR'S WORK" like no

cerulean wagon
#

the rest is piecemeal

vast frigate
#

i want HH2.0 to be so different from hh current that we see people pull a Fantasy vs AoS again

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where people burn their armies and shit

desert gate
#

My favorite part of the 30k community is how they will literally die of a heart attack if they see a single mk7 piece of armor in a heresy army

alpine ingot
#

I rather stop now enjoying most of the books I've read, and then leave on that footnote.

vapid tiger
#

the "emperor's design cannot be improved' thing against primaris is a dumb point

the reason primaris marine fluff is poopy is because of the mere concept of SUPER space marines and how it jumps the shark

vast frigate
#

i will once again point out that improvement on design is met when you have someone Else look at your work

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cawl has access to all of Big E's notes and shit

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there is no reason for the dude to not see the issues and be like; hmmmmmmm

vapid tiger
#

Yeah I think cawl doing it is actually fine

#

I do think that cawl is overused by writers

See the fucking

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Spirit of eternity thing

cerulean wagon
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and the fix for tyranids

vapid tiger
#

But cawl making marines is not inherently like

Bad

vast frigate
#

The huge can of raid?

tawdry wyvern
#

I just like that different writers offer a different approach and viewpoint, plus different angles on the actual clusterfuck that's about to happen. But well different tastes and such

cerulean wagon
#

na, cawl found a way to terraform worlds to fix nid invasion damage

vapid tiger
#

Yeah that shit pisses me off

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Somewhat

alpine ingot
#

wait what?

vapid tiger
#

As much as 40k lore can nowadays

vast frigate
#

thats not that weird

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we know its possible

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but.. really expensive

cerulean wagon
vast frigate
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and planets are the most valuable commodity in the universe

vapid tiger
#

Cawl fixer of all issues

vast frigate
#

SO HE DOES USE A CAN OF RAID

cerulean wagon
#

i shit you not this is the solution and aparently nobody has tried ever before

slow prawn
#

I will say this for 30k, it gave Chaos players a lot more balance right off the bat, as their usual units are the same as loyalist ones

vapid tiger
alpine ingot
#

please tell me it at least takes a long time to do so

vapid tiger
#

30k balance is neat

slow prawn
#

As opposed to waiting for 2 wounds in 40k

vapid tiger
#

But only because it's largely the same uh

cerulean wagon
#

iirc it takes like

vapid tiger
#

List

cerulean wagon
#

200 years? which is no time at all in 40k terms

vast frigate
#

i mean thats not a bad estimate

barren tapir
#

A bit short tbh

vast frigate
#

its suggested we will take about 300 years to give mars a useable atmosphere

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if we started now anyway

cerulean wagon
#

but aparently nobody in the history of ever has tried or thought of this

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its just so

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its like having guilliman solve every war

vapid tiger
#

cawl fixer of all issues

man's making advances in closing the great rift

man can terraform nid planets

man can reverse technological stagnation for an entire faction but only for the space marines

cerulean wagon
#

wtf is the point of the setting being galaxy wide if all the problems are fixed by 2 people

vapid tiger
#

^

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Writers found two characters who solve 1 issue each individually and went

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"Holy fuck what if we just had them do that over and over"

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"Just SOLVE THE IMPERIUM'S FLAWS"

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Because half the gw writing staff consists of chimpanzees or something

vast frigate
#

the writers found 2 characters who people like

#

but then abuse that

cerulean wagon
#

people dont even like guilliman

vapid tiger
#

It feels very corporate too

vast frigate
#

its the same shit as when the 30k stories suddenly took a spin

cerulean wagon
#

other than sm players

vast frigate
#

yeah but Sm players are 50% of sales so

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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gotta please the goblins

barren tapir
#

Personally i don't have any problem with cawl fixing the nids thing, which tbh it was dumb before when they eat all the world down to the core imo... And regarding the fact that no one thought about it... Have you seen the imperium? A bunch of conservative and traditionalist assholes

vast frigate
#

no, goblins are acceptable

#

gotta please the...

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help me here

vapid tiger
#

That's my overall issue with primaris stuff

ADB handled it well but everywhere else it is

VERY VERY VERY blatant marketing for space marine players to buy more space marines

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And it WORKED

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AND THAT ANNOYS ME A BIT

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It feels corporate

vast frigate
#

well yeah

vapid tiger
#

which

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I mean

cerulean wagon
vapid tiger
#

Everything is designed to sell models

vast frigate
#

40k is like, 60/40 sales sales sales sales sales sales

vapid tiger
#

But it feels like

cerulean wagon
#

he is a terrible character, with horrible knock on effects on the wider setting

vapid tiger
#

It feels way more blatant that other stuff that does the same thing

#

than usual basically

vast frigate
#

cawl also has the issue of OMNI POTENT BRAIN POWER Character supreme

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because of the multiple brains hes drained

barren tapir
vapid tiger
vast frigate
#

not really convinced on that one Silver

vapid tiger
#

Or optimally just had those guys be wearing a new mark of armor that guilliman had the blueprints for stashed away or some shit but whatever

cerulean wagon
#

no ones convinced on that

barren tapir
#

I mean, we all know that primaris were meant for 40k 2.0

cerulean wagon
#

cawl is a poor character, written horribly

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but then it is gav thorpe iirc

vapid tiger
cerulean wagon
#

so like

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its expected

vapid tiger
#

What does he fix about 40k's writing is the thing

cerulean wagon
#

althought i think the nid fix was guy hayley

barren tapir
# vapid tiger wdym fix the setting

Bloated with lore and dumb plot holes, and also things that left unchecked would bring an end of the galaxy, GW realized that, but instead of pulling a end time they tried to change the stuff with poor in setting tools, one of those tools is cawl

alpine ingot
#

I have to honest, I have been extremely hesitant reading anything involving Cawl because I've heard he has like 5 different origins all written into his character

barren tapir
#

All factions need to be able to lose and gain territory, nids consuming down to the core planets was against such balance

vapid tiger
barren tapir
#

Or how shitty the imperium is but somehow always manage to keep its territory

vapid tiger
#

he's like a tech adept in 30k but has a master who is this archmagos but then he puts his mind in her body and kills her mind and THEN he drains multiple brains for their smart juices or whatever and THEN develops several AIs for his head and they all act in synchrony or some shit

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It's messy

barren tapir
#

They are trying to fix the extremes of such bad lore and instead of doing a full retcon from outside they try to come up with in setting solution, which wouldn't be bad if they were done properly... But it seems they went for the more swift and direct route

vapid tiger
#

Similar to primarchs

vast frigate
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

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reboot the entire setting

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make people mad

vapid tiger
#

Reboot the setting and then make people madder by saying that the old lore is all just hearsay in the setting but not actual canon

#

Which would honestly be the best way to reboot 40k

barren tapir
#

I mean, we can clearly see they are trying to change stuff as fast they can, and that they are doing so because they want to change the setting but couldn't risk the same shit that happened with fantasy, but just 10000000 time worse

storm jungle
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aka the tabletop not doing well

barren tapir
#

Also it seems that GW finally realized that a solid lore help with sales

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Because people can insert themself

vapid tiger
#

Ideal 40k reboot would be something along the lines of a modernized 1st edition, same status quo as always of a crumbling imperium surrounded by enemies but with the door open for shit to happen instead of having 10 galaxy ending super threats on standby at any one moment

Unfortunately as dilara says this will not happen

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i fucking love 1st edition fluff though so i am very biased

barren tapir
#

I'm gonna expect that the necron orrery is gonna get destroyed and no one is gonna be able to rebuild it

vast frigate
#

the star destroyer?

vapid tiger
#

Nah the silent king will try to use it and then one of his goons on his hover barge will be like

"Sir it doesn't work"

#

"Did you press the button?"

vast frigate
#

''Did you insert the globamagoob?''

slow prawn
#

“Try turning it off and turning it back on,”

vapid tiger
#

"I'm pressing all the buttons and nothing is happening, they forgot to plug it in. And we do not have the right plug for it. It does not exist"

vast frigate
#

fucker left it in his barge out in the galactic void

#

quick trip back and forth brb

vapid tiger
#

Or the nids will just

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Eat the orrery

storm jungle
#

Either way the Nids will be used the same way as the Skaven

#

aka the faction the writers use to wipe off famous planets off the lore in a single sentence

#

ala Tilea

#

GOTTEM

vast frigate
#

to throw a moon?

#

PF

barren tapir
vapid tiger
#

And have it literally be in one sentence

storm jungle
#

Yeah im not even joking

#

you all can see it

#

They are the biggest horde faction

#

and the only excuse they need is

barren tapir
storm jungle
#

"oh no the hive fleets have fully arrived"

#

IM SORRY BLANK

#

BUT YOU KNOW ITS TRUE

vapid tiger
#

Like, IG 9th ed codex gets fluff blurb on various famous IG worlds and there's a "VRAKS" header and it just says

"The hive fleets devoured Vraks sometime during the Indomitus Crusade, the Death Korps are going to die off"

vast frigate
#

''Im sorry my lord, but the famous battle of Vraks never happened, commander Guiliman, it is hearsay from frontiersmen.'' Imperial scribe, circa m41.999, when confronting Roboute Guiliman in the archives of Terra.

#

gimme this

#

gimme

vapid tiger
#

vraks does not exist

#

Wait

#

I meant krieg

#

Fuck

#

Krieg does not exist

#

It was hearsay

#

It never existed

#

It's propaganda

cerulean wagon
#

i wish

vast frigate
#

krieg has a model line sadly

cerulean wagon
#

unfortunatley models sold well

vast frigate
#

so we cant go that far

vapid tiger
#

It's so effective that imperials sperg out whenever they see a guardsman wearing a gas mask and a jacket and start yelling about shovels and krieg

vapid tiger
#

40k fans why

cerulean wagon
#

its a shame cause like

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the krieg models are actually good

vapid tiger
#

Fuck it

cerulean wagon
#

no shovel melee

vapid tiger
#

You know what

#

Do it expand the krieg line

Make them the new regular guardsmen

But with one cha ge

#

one change

#

no more gas masks

#

and french names for their characters

vast frigate
#

i love how they dont have shovel melee weapons

vapid tiger
#

See how the kriegers react

cerulean wagon
#

their trench club model is actually pog

vapid tiger
#

Where's that old artwork of the krieg guardsman with no mask

vast frigate
#

yes

storm jungle
#

Some chaos knight artwork from their upcoming codex, imma head to bed now 👋

cerulean wagon
#

gnight

crisp heath
#

Finaly

#

Some art with DARK MECHANICUM

#

Excuse but
PUTAIN ENFIN !

#

Almost 30 years they exist

#

Finaly they got some official art

shadow plover
bright anvil
#

Descent of angels is neat. Love seeing how even the people of a feudal world like caliban would resist the imperium

obsidian wing
#

well the people of caliban resisted because the imperium is the opposite of their ways- their traditions and culture

#

i mean most human worlds who resisted the imperium have the same or similar reasons

lyric ember
#

So, in the warp, can warships still collide with one anothee?

final spruce
#

Yes

#

They are still physical

lyric ember
#

And if someone was occupying the same space in realspace as someone else in the warp, does anything happen?

final spruce
#

Nothing

#

Those are 2 different realms

lyric ember
#

I see

#

Warp is strange

final spruce
#

You don't have a copy of yourself in the warp

#

Think of it like Minecraft Normal and Nether

lyric ember
#

M'kay

final spruce
#

Different dimensions but one step in the Nether = 1 000 steps in normal, also hellish

lyric ember
#

I was thinking of it as just shitty hyperspace from star wars

final spruce
#

I know jackshit about Star Wars, so all I can say is that the warp is a different dimension than the material plane

#

Dnd with its different realms also apply

lyric ember
#

In star wars hyperspace is also another dimension but things in realspace leave a shadow in said dimension

#

Such as planets, black holes, and other such things with sufficient gravity

rose thorn
#

I wish warhammer 40K had more liek, non main 4 chaos entities, like AOS has the great horned rat, the guys those spider people follow, that uh chaos dragon guy

dusk knot
#

I want space skaven

shadow plover
#

his followers did show up in the recent schism

#

or was it Malice now

#

I never remember which one it was and is now

storm jungle
#

so its usually down to the writers being really lazy

rose thorn
#

I mean you could always just have ‘yeah there is thsi chaos warband that follows X’ or’yeah there is a cult that follows Y but often works with word bearers or death guard or something ‘

storm jungle
#

Yeeee

#

its also due to scale

#

warhammer fantasy is on one globe so you can enrich the lore and the deity pantheon a lot more with different cultures

#

when humanity is so spread out in 40k thats a bit hard to do so the writers just went

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"Any random deity the humans worship has to be the emperor"

rose thorn
#

Kinda ironic isn’t it Lmao

storm jungle
#

Yeah lol

#

for example in Fantasy you can worship the Horned Rat

#

and

rose thorn
#

That restricted to one planet allows more freedom then the sci-fi setting

storm jungle
#

TURN INTO A RAT

#

🐀

storm jungle
#

so in the end they dont wanna bother

rose thorn
#

I know there were several emperor cults that were actually worshipping a greater daemon or something

#

Like they didn’t even know

#

‘Okay yeah I got a vision that we must slay and murder in the name of the emperor.’

crisp heath
#

Yea what a cool god

#

he can turn me into a rat

rose thorn
#

‘I didn’t know he had big ass horns and a sick red sword but hey can’t complain’

crisp heath
#

all i ever wanted

storm jungle
#

ikr

#

rat gang

storm jungle
#

thats like

#

THE MOST overused cliche

#

"oh no it was a chaos god or demon"

crisp heath
#

Make my life expectancy drop as a rat

rose thorn
#

It’s funny the first like 3 times

#

Then yeah

storm jungle
#

trust me i got like 50+ BL books in my library

#

almost 30 of them do this shit

#

but yeah in the end the "other gods" thing is simply a scale issue

rose thorn
#

But to be fair literally most Imperial citizens have nothing else to base it off of

shadow plover
#

Bring back Malice you cowards

storm jungle
#

Malal™️ moment

shadow plover
storm jungle
#

actually maybe the reverse

rose thorn
#

Lmao

#

I remember so there was this planet that was told like

‘there might be tryanids coming’

‘What’s a tryanid?’

Ends call

Then some minor xenos came along and rveryone was like

‘Oh shit is that a tryanid?’

And everyone flipped their shit

broken bridge
storm jungle
#

Uh mostly legal disputes, i dont know the whole story but he still exists just under a different name

#

since you cant really copyright personalities

#

just usually names

final spruce
#

Old name of Malal was Malice, which was trademarked

rose thorn
#

Her name is malice in 40K I believe

storm jungle
#

^

#

Hes just... there now?

#

not really existing

rose thorn
#

The sons of malice follow malice

storm jungle
#

Yeee

#

he just exists

#

and sometimes gets mentioned

#

because WINK

rose thorn
#

Yea lmao

#

Honestly a pretty cool warband

storm jungle
#

love the black/white split scheme

rose thorn
#

If you want like pure cannibalism and murder and insanity with out dealing with khorne bullshit they are fun

#

Lore wise

storm jungle
#

Yeah Khorne is good for the classic bad guy demon stuff

#

since hes just satan in space

rose thorn
#

Yeah I picked up the daemons of khorne because I love their cavalry

#

Just slam into the enemy as hard as possible with a wall of dog bulls

shadow plover
#

ah yes I'm gonna call my upcoming chaos knight house the "Space Satans"

#

thanks dilara

storm jungle
#

lol

#

I TRY

storm jungle
#

I mean uh wait i gotta check

#

A Bloodcrusher is one of the members of the shock cavalry of Khorne's daemonic Blood Legions, a deadly combination of Bloodletter rider and Juggernaut steed.

#

A Juggernaut, also known as a Juggernaut of Khorne, and by such nicknames as "Brass Behemoth," "Khorne's Unstoppable Rage", or "Bloodpounder," is one of the Blood God Khorne's daemonic steeds, a manifestation of his unbridled rage.

#

... so literally same thing

#

one just doesnt have a rider

#

i think

rose thorn
#

I wish there was an HQ or warlord trait that buffed them in AOS or 40K

#

So I can just have the juggernaut wall

shadow plover
#

Maybe once the 9th ed codex drops

#

keep fingers crossed

broken bridge
rose thorn
#

Maybe that character mode that literally rides a juggernaut

rose thorn
#

Skull master

#

Herald of khorne

plush mason
#

and a skull crusher is a chaos knight of khorne on a juggernaut

storm jungle
#

TOTALLY NOT CONFUSING

cunning wigeon
#

skull blood axe brass

#

khorne starter pack

void musk
#

khorne flakes?

storm jungle
void musk
#

never

storm jungle
#

always

void musk
#

You cannot silence us. For we are many

storm jungle
#

You are just one catgirl atm

void musk
#

we are many

#

unlike the banshee queen. we do not stand alone

storm jungle
#

Who?

void musk
#

yes

storm jungle
#

Who?

plush mason
#

LOL

brittle nebula
#

What’s going on?

brittle nebula
void musk
plush mason
brittle nebula
#

Ah

#

I see

still atlas
grand minnow
#

Milk for the corn flakes

void musk
still atlas
#

let the galaxy churn

barren tapir
#

Well, that was fun to read

storm jungle
#

NEW DWARF LORE DROP

#

The Leagues of Votann are still a few months out from making first tabletop contact with the rest of the 41st Millennium, but after learning about the Ancestor Cores and the cloneskeins, we’re all agog for the main course – the guns.

As with more or less everything else in the Leagues, the collected technological knowledge of the Kin is contained within the Votann. These ancient minds are vast repositories of weapon schematics that would have just about every member of the Adeptus Mechanicus weighing up the merits of becoming a heretek. The Kin, you see, are sitting on a closely guarded network of functioning STCs – a fact reflected across their entire armoury.

An armoury which, mark you, they are perfectly permitted to improve over time. The Kin may move slowly, but they’re not stuck in technological stasis like some factions we could mention. Their engineers – called Brôkhyrs – command the auto-foundries of each Kin hold from their personal A.N-vyl terminals. But what are they forging?

#

From the Autoch-pattern bolter to the Etacarn plasma gun, many Kin weapons bear superficial similarities to Imperial weapons, but they’re superior in every respect. There’s a clear shared ancestry between the bolt revolver and bolt shotgun and the bolt weapons of the Adeptus Astartes, but Kin weapons simply work better and hit harder.

Then there are items like the volkanite disintegrators, which use technology since lost to the Imperium, or ion technology, which is proscribed by the Adeptus Mechanicus. That’s their loss – the T’au Empire certainly seemed to appreciate being taught how to harness it…

All these weapons are supported by smart tech integrated into Kin battlegear. The haptic utility nerve transmission recalibrator modules – HunTR for short – interface with their neural augmetics to establish a feedback loop between firearms and their users. This system projects minute gravitational pulses to maintain a stable firing platform even while running at full pelt – or zooming along on a flying trike.

#

The Leagues don’t just fight at range, either. The Kin recognise the need for hand-to-hand engagements – especially in the face of swarms of Orks or Tyranids occupying a perfectly good mineral-rich asteroid – and their melee weaponry is similarly high-tech. They make substantial use of plasma fields either to augment blades or extend them, while concussion weapons like hammers and mauls mount mass drivers to really make an impact.

Believe it or not, there’s still a heap of fresh info to come for the Leagues of Votann, which we’ll be dripping out over the next few months. Sign up for our newsletter to get all the info right as it’s published.

worn fern
#

boltguns
wasnt the boltgun invented by big E and his pose back in 30k?

storm jungle
#

Not really

#

he just advertised the boltgun more, it wasnt his invention

worn fern
#

was that always old lore?

storm jungle
#

The origin of the boltguns is never said really

#

minus the Imperium believing Big E manufactured them when it wasnt the truth at all

worn fern
#

as if the bolt gun is STC based, I feel that takes some of the specialty out of them

final spruce
#

So it hints at LoV ignoring penalties when advancing or using heavy weapons on the move tabletop wuse

storm jungle
worn fern
#

So the "boltgun" is the nu-Imperial job

#

but "bolt" existed before

#

I'm fine with that

final spruce
#

Also ofc LoV gets better guns than the entirety of the Imperial Faction

storm jungle
#

Thank god for that

worn fern
#

its like Las guns theorized to not be guns in the original STC

storm jungle
#

any faction making the imperium inferior is good

#

🙏

#

Maşallah

final spruce
#

I mean they are already amongst the worst tech wise

#

Also the article says LoV taught the Taus how to use Ion weapons

storm jungle
#

Inb4

#

"b-but the lore says-"

#

blank if you complain more about the dwarves im gonna strangle you

barren tapir
final spruce
#

I will then

#

Mary Sue looking ass space dwarves

barren tapir
worn fern
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Do you reckon they brought the Votann back because of DRG?

storm jungle
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Nah

final spruce
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Not really

storm jungle
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These things are planned years in advance

final spruce
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Minis are planned atleast 3 years in advance

storm jungle
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DRG is simply a coincidental factor that will still boost sales tho

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so its perfect timing

barren tapir
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Also no, i'm not gonna complain more, i complain only when i think there is still hope for improving

storm jungle
barren tapir
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But i must say i was hoping for railguns

worn fern
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God I hope that the Imperium drag the Votann into the firey pit that they have made for themselves

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the Imperium are crashing this galaxy with no survivors

barren tapir
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I hope that the imperium get some kicking tbh

worn fern
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I want Imperial Ls and Chaos Ws

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show me the Dark Nihilus

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show me Chaos winning

storm jungle
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leave my DRG boys to themselves

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they got mining to do

barren tapir
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Oh, yeah, the reference of them being careful when they need to conquer a mineral rich planet lol

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Bolt revolver i think it is new...

worn fern
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also with this all, there is some shred of hope in me that they will make the Aeldari cool again and focus on the not-imperium

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and show us what the rest of the galaxy is doing

barren tapir
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The interesting thing is that some of those weapons shown are actually similar to the Van Saar ones, at least for role... Van Saar too can make graviton guns...

storm jungle
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Yeah like

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its literally van saar

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but with runes

barren tapir
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And less spiders iconography

worn fern
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well could it not be that there are just a really limited amount of STC patterns for grav-guns?

storm jungle
final spruce
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Thing is, what makes the Van Saar cringe also makes the LoV cringe

barren tapir
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See, this is what i mean

barren tapir
worn fern
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I mean, I agree with that, hi technology works best in 40k when its really rare and basically magic

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when you have stable stcs for high technology and can mass fabricate it, then the magic is lost

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its why I like the boltgun so much, as its such an impractical and brutalist weapon that makes attempt at being high technology

final spruce
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Dont forget also the LoV having better tech than the drukhari

worn fern
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what

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no way

final spruce
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Drukhari still having that pre fall Old One tech

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Yup

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So far the Drukhari only managed to create 1 soul mostly free of the warp

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LoV mass produce them

barren tapir
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I'm pretty sure that making a human soul free of warp is easier than doing that with an eldar one