40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

Its more or so a plot hole you arent meant to ask lmao

[broken bridge]

did big e know aboutt them?

what was his plan to deal with them?

[storm jungle]

The only "necron" thing the Emperor dealt with was the Void Dragon

the lore never once has him acknowledging the necrons at all

which is pretty surprising

but then again all his in-character apperances are in HH so his screentime is usually reserved for imperial drama and nothing beyond it

[alpine ingot]

I feel like the Necrons were always a "problem to deal with tomorrow" kind of enemy for Big E

[storm jungle]

Yeah the Emperor had a lot of plans and was also bumrushing the great crusade

so we dont really get the big picture

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXdE8ZWkLfk

[proper helm]

*too dumb for 40k

[plush mason]

so from what im getting people have taken a single story about a single one time act of desperation and made it just a everyday thing for the grey knights lol

[proper helm]

It was an everyday thing for Sisters lore

[plush mason]

then thats on the sisters writers more than anything

[proper helm]

getting torn up worse than the Guard regularly for debatably fetishistic reasons

[plush mason]

oh that isnt what im talking about

im talking about the one time the grey knights killed pure sisters to ward their armor against the bloodtide

"everything is canon but not everything is true"

[atomic pelican]

Fellas whatever you do

Do NOT let the male BL author write women

Worst mistake of my life

[obsidian wing]

so does the playable characters' Inquisition branch the Ordo Malleus or Hereticus? hoping for the former

[cerulean wagon]

Not confirmed atm

[broken bridge]

whomst

[storm jungle]

That isnt canon anymore though

the bloodtide thing was so fucking dumb that it got retconned instantly next edition

[plush mason]

retconned or just left out due to it having been a 1 time thing?

[storm jungle]

Retconned

[plush mason]

what story replaced it

[storm jungle]

Nothing

they just rewrote it since it was dumb

[plush mason]

rewrote it how?

[storm jungle]

with the GK not killing the sisters lmao

[plush mason]

source?

i need to see the actual bloodtide story that has been rewritten

cuz bloodtide was a 1 time thing that happend in the 5th edition setting

[storm jungle]

Later, in 876.M41, the Bloodtide would return under the command of the Bloodthirster Ka'jagga'nath on the world of Van Horne. This time, it was only halted by the efforts of the Grey Knights, who slaughtered the remaining uncorrupted Sisters of Battle of the Order of the Ebon Chalice and used their innocent blood to form a talisman of purity, ending the rampage of the Bloodtide and Ka'jagga'nath

[plush mason]

yup

thats the story

[storm jungle]

Yes

now i gotta find the retcon lmao

time to bust open the PDF

[plush mason]

the fact that the only "source" wes could find on a retcon was one random reddit post from someone that didnt even work for GW doesnt give me much hope for your efforts

[storm jungle]

Its literally in the 5th grey knight codex

[plush mason]

yes in the same formate as the one you just posted. which is the one you claim was retconned lol

[storm jungle]

ugh

give me a sec

[plush mason]

k

tbh the only problem i see with this story is the wording. i can see sisters in that situation being willing to die so the grey knights can succeed and kill the demon

ofc "slaughter" doesnt mean the sisters didnt die willingly

most would see it as an act of martyrdom if not all

hell next to dropping churches from orbit and the grey knights literally being former daemonhosts this isnt even the stupidest thing in ether of the faction's lore lol

[storm jungle]

God i cant be arsed to find a 7th edition pdf

here

[storm jungle]

And no sister would be willing to die for something as stupid as this

they are one of the most incorruptible factions in the Imperium lmao

this is like murdering someone immune to some virus and painting yourself in their blood because... reasons

[shadow plover]

Is this all of this infamous bloodtide event or is there more written of it

[storm jungle]

Theres more but i cant find a good 7th edition PDF

but the part where it says they slaughter the sisters was removed

[shadow plover]

but in the original 5th edition codex?

[storm jungle]

Yeee the 5th one is the grimderp one

in the soft retcon its the sisters being dead when they are already there

[shadow plover]

Right, I just find it funny that a single paragraph has been made so infamous. Granted it sure is stupid still

[storm jungle]

Yeah im surprised too believe me

but its one occassion worthy of rage i think

i already think the grey knights are dumb af so i dont mind it

[shadow plover]

True

I might be in the minority here but I rarely even read any lore tidbits in the codexes and only lore I consume are in the novels mostly

[plush mason]

k

[plush mason]

and its still not even the stupidest thing i have read of 40k lol

[storm jungle]

Sorry but when it gets such a massive reaction to the point that its rewritten it is stupid lol

[shadow plover]

mostly because most of the tidbits in codexes are quite inconsequential in the grand scheme of things

[storm jungle]

That too but sometimes its far too dumb to ignore

it doesnt help that during this period the Sororitas were shat on a lot as a faction

so stuff like this just twists that knife

[shadow plover]

it's like "brother Maximus ate a granola bar for breakfast in the dawn of 945.M41" and I'm supposed to care

[storm jungle]

Consider yourself more mature in that case

[plush mason]

crazy cult bitches that crave martyrdom will never be easy to get right

[storm jungle]

Fuck off with that

lmao

You literally make Sisters into caricatures from memes when they got much more character

theres a reason the word "bolter bitch" fell out of use

[shadow plover]

And I'm not dismissing the negative reaction to this particular case, the experience what I've had with the codex lore paragraphs have just been quite lacklustre

[plush mason]

i mean afaik the SOB are more or less just female black templars

[storm jungle]

No

lol

Thats like reading the most basic surface stuff from assumptions

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah hence why im saying you're more mature

i usually dont care either unless the particular paragraph is extra derp

[plush mason]

i just dont find it very derp tho. there are other things way way more derp

[shadow plover]

Right, I'm just afraid I come across too harshly with my input on these matters

[storm jungle]

Nah you dont

[storm jungle]

Then thats just you

Grey Knights are already not liked by a lot of people for their dumb no witness policies among many other things

when it got this much of a massive reaction it was pretty justified

[plush mason]

oh i know thats one of the as fore mentioned "way more derp" things

and i want to clarify that i agree 100% that the story is stupid. just not as stupid as most people say it is

[shadow plover]

https://twitter.com/RobWritesPulp/status/1521067358759964672?s=20&t=20JZf58U--jLenko7MILlQ

Robert Rath (@RobWritesPulp)

I learned this after I finished the first draft of “Bleedout” and OH, THE EDIT PASS I MADE.

Twitter · May 2, 2022, 10:01 AM

lol so it wasn't just a silly joke

[storm jungle]

IT WASNT

HE ACTUALLY SAYS FUCK

HE SAYS THE F WORD

DROPS THE F BOMB

SAYS THE HOLY F

https://tenor.com/view/tears-of-joy-clapping-bravo-crying-tears-gif-15245324

[tender igloo]

stunning and brave

[cunning wigeon]

heard it here first, cursing has now reached the bri'ish isles

[odd sparrow]

it was not here prior

[alpine ingot]

They had to import it back from the prison colony known as Australia

[odd sparrow]

we exclusively said goodness and drat

[plucky moth]

Fookin ‘ell

[rose thorn]

THEY CUSS IN WARHAMMER?! NO WAY

[storm jungle]

THE REVOLUTION IS HERE

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/korg-alien-thor-ragnarok-marvel-the-revolution-has-begun-gif-15091412

[storm jungle]

✊

[dusk widget]

This is all leading up to Horus going "FUCK you, Father." in Siege of Terra's climax.

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-horus-heresy-gif-25203003

WAR!!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/rsx1-gif-20624352

https://youtube.com/watch?v=AqYYvGz0eh4&feature=share

This brings tears to mine eyes

[vapid tiger]

40k lorelets: "most imperial planets are very comfy to live on"

Imperial planets:

[alpine ingot]

I mean, not every world in the Imperium is a Hive World, a Forge World, a Cemetery World, a Death World, etc. there are normal worlds out there in 40k. they're just not important to the setting

[vapid tiger]

There's plenty of them in an empire of a million worlds but it doesn't make them a majority even according to gw

And they're not immune to the themes of degradation and whatnot that affect the rest of the Imperium

[eternal ledge]

I think Pavonis from the Nightbringer was a pretty nice planet. It was industrial but still had plenty of healthy wildlife

[sterile abyss]

Where is this scene from?

[brittle nebula]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=x9wV2sGlXjY&feature=share

This an unfinished fan made

I’d rate it right next to Astartes

[sterile abyss]

Oh sweet! Thank you! I subscribed to Warhammer TV but have been looking for some food animations, fan made or official. Astartes was fantastic

[brittle nebula]

Sadly this is the only partly finished vid it’s only 20 minutes

[sterile abyss]

It's something at least. But would love for GW to invest more in animations.

They have the world, lore, and I would hope the resources for it.

[brittle nebula]

From my understanding for this case the creator was bullied by the community because he named something wrong or something.

It’s quite sad

[sterile abyss]

Oh that's really sad. Eliteists and perfectionists kill hobbies.

[brittle nebula]

Especially when it’s such a promising creator the sounds, the animations look so refined.

My favorite part is the Relic Teminators they sound powerful

[worn fern]

I think it was mostly due to burn out and how it was onyl him working on it

in that, when covid came around, his work needed him more and he couldnt work on it anymore

and there was too much to do for it

one of the messages at the begining also rubbed a lot of the newer fans up the wrong way

[brittle nebula]

That’s the bulling part. It was something to do about him calling it 30k or something

[vapid tiger]

Death of Hope had good models but the animation is godawful

Also the whole "DEDICATED TO THE TRUE FANS" thing

[brittle nebula]

Truth be told it was one guy.

Give him credit though he did good considering

[vapid tiger]

Astartes was one guy.

But I cut it a little slack

[eternal ledge]

It was more he made the "This is for True Fans" comment in the video itself. Pretty much was among the group that loves the ridiculous grim dark for the books

[slow prawn]

And that absolutely hate all the new stuff

[eternal ledge]

Yeeeep

[slow prawn]

Plus, for me it was like, the animation was literally just some Word Bearers chilling in a ship after the actual battle

[vapid tiger]

Yeah

[eternal ledge]

The kind who are probably subscribed to Gamza's patrion

[brittle nebula]

Also it is the only time any of us have seen Artifact Terminators in an animation

He did those guys good

[slow prawn]

Oh yeah, that was a nice surprise

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/pacha-perfect-emperors-new-groove-very-good-gif-5346522

You never see them fight but the sound of them

[vapid tiger]

I mean I really like 30k but people like the creator like to gatekeep it a bit

And the main reason I like 30k is due to the game itself, which is more built around narrative play than 40k

[slow prawn]

Indeed, it’s more like playing a historical game or setting, set in a science fiction universe

The black books read and feel like real historical texts

[sterile abyss]

As a history grad, that sounds awesome

[sterile abyss]

Are they called the Black books? I'm brand new to all of this so forgive me.

[slow prawn]

Yep! Black Books are what contain the lore and specific rules for certain factions and events

[vapid tiger]

They're just uh

All out date rules-wise

Even the most recent ones will be out of date in june

But the beauty of the black books is that they're setting focused

So that's kind of not a big deal

[slow prawn]

Yep, a lot of the lore and art at least is still relevant

My favorite part are these

Shows how to paint a model, and blurbs of lore to go along with it

[sterile abyss]

Oh sweet! Yeah not sure I'm going to start playing anytime soon but I'm all for it for the lore

[plush mason]

fellowship?

[slow prawn]

Fellowships were the XV’s equivalent of Chapters

[plush mason]

LOL can they be anymore nerd like?

[slow prawn]

That’s…kinda the point

They’re supposed to be huge nerds

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-im-here-obi-wan-obi-wan-kenobi-star-wars-gif-18535648

[plush mason]

lol

[atomic pelican]

More proof that 30k fans get the whip

[vapid tiger]

whip me now

[atomic pelican]

What if we took 40k and made it worse(removed everything but marines)

[vapid tiger]

i like the 30k xenos fan dexes

Those are really good

[tender igloo]

horus heresy is a fun setting. just because you don't like it doesn't make it inherently worse

[vapid tiger]

silence krieg pfp

[tender igloo]

wow how original

[plush mason]

do custodius have terminator armor? and if so who gets to wear it

[vapid tiger]

ya

Multiple kinds in fact

[plush mason]

is it like the SM terminators and only the most veteran and elite get to wear them?

[vapid tiger]

They're moreso based on personality

The most violent and bellicose of custodes are chosen to become terminators since they're viewed as hunters by the custodes and unlike marines aren't lacking in resources

This still makes them elite by custode standards

[plush mason]

i see

[storm jungle]

Also can survive the explosion from macro-cannons Imperial starships use lol

[plush mason]

i mean ofc they are super custodius so they have to

[rose thorn]

HOLY SHIT

szeras is so fucking cool, what dynasty is he in anyhow?

A necron who wants to become god? Fuck yeah I can get behind that character motive

[tender igloo]

freelance i believe actually. basically any dynasty that will help him achieve his goal

[rose thorn]

ooOooo

I might make an army where he’s the warlord and just say ‘yeha these are his experiments, mercenaries, and worshippers who were hired or wanna help him with his goal.’

I realize, I really like armies where the HQs are like, the main fighters. Like my emperors children’s Chaos Lord in Terminator warlord I’ve buffed to hell just to reap and tear.

[alpine ingot]

It concerns me that the thought of the fact that sorcerers of Nurgle have weaponized "smell my finger" has not left me

[plush mason]

lol

[grand minnow]

Orikan wanted that too

not amazing in game tho

[split quiver]

https://youtu.be/whjmmuST1Ww

nice, another one

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/more-star-wars-kylo-ren-gif-15168091

[real stone]

I did it first

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/no-one-cares-i-dont-care-idc-nobody-cares-gif-8737514

[real stone]

😔

[split quiver]

oh yea, I forgot to look at gen chat

I don't have them on notifications tho, maybe I should so we can race next time @real stone

[real stone]

I do t have notifications on for anything on YouTube

I just am speed

[proper helm]

What happens when a world or sector is physically unable to deliver its tithe due to war or, nowadays, being cut off from the rest of the galaxy due to the great rift

do they just hold up the tithe in warehouses for years?

[brittle nebula]

Hmm… an interesting question

[brittle nebula]

I would say they would store the tithe but if the governor is stupid it would be use to something useless or to line his pockets

[plush mason]

i guess it would depend on what said tithe is for the given world

[signal hill]

And probably also in why they can't deliver
A world caught up in war which tithe is manpower is probably somewhat safe

[barren tapir]

If no one come to gather it the worlds must keep it, until someone come to take it... How they keep it is not imperium business, the thing is that when the imperium will return it will ask every tithe that wasn't paid... And in some cases it can mean the death of the world, since they could conscript the entire population... But that is counting on the imperium having all its paperwork in order

On some occasions the imperium might give the world the duty to ship the tithe, but this would be extremely rare since it would require the world to have fleet for transport which is not something really super common

[alpine ingot]

I forget where I saw this so take it with a massive grain of salt, but I think the general idea in that case is to store the tithe until travel becomes possible. I think one world converted their moon or an asteroid into a giant warehouse so they could store their tithe off world.

[sullen cape]

adeptus ministorum can requstion any transport ship for tithe delivery; inaddition that the imperial navy usually conducts the tathing transportation to which ever crusade/warfront required

[lyric ember]

So what do space marines do on their "offtime"

What do they eat? Do they sleep? I assume train and pray

Salamanders get to see their families

[barren tapir]

I don't fully get this... The ecclershiarchy can tithe only from their world, and obviously they ask the imperial navy to collect and ship, since you know, they are the navy... The tithe of the actual imperial worlds is handled by the administratum for resource tithes, and by the munitorum for military stuff... And they too get collected by the navy because once again they are the one that have the means to transport stuff

[plush mason]

"join the navy they said. see the galaxy they said."
get stuck on a tithe ship

[barren tapir]

Eh, that would be among the best spot to end in the navy

[storm jungle]

Literally anything

it changes from Chapter to Chapter

some have absolutely dull off-duty activities and some have lively ones

[lyric ember]

I bet the ultramarines spend their free time as stock market advisers and help the general populace do their taxes

[storm jungle]

Ye

[vast frigate]

hobbies, funtime, praying

it all depends on their chapter and the person

theres a single mention of a chaplain who paints ''miniaturized replicaes of larger vehicles''

[plush mason]

the space wolves feast iirc

[vast frigate]

the space wolves literally just party and live viking life

[plush mason]

yup

they consume copious amounts of mead and meat till they pass out. truely my spiritual kin

[rose thorn]

weird question, so like the heads on abandons armor and crap for an exampl e, were they from anyone specific, liek people who he really hated, were tey his first kills? does he have to switch the heads out every once in a while? Like tis really dumb question but like a daemon prince or Abaddon, or like any named character with trophies has killed countelss lives so only have like, 8 skulls, or why even bother??

[storm jungle]

Because its a trophy belt

and it looks cool

[rose thorn]

BUT WHAT MAKES THE SKULLS ON IT BETTER THEN THE OTHERS

ITS NOT LIEK EVEN A CHAPTER MASTER'S HELMET ITS JSUT A NORMAL ONE

[storm jungle]

Because its on a high ranking person's armor, signifying they had the honor of being trophies

[storm jungle]

Its all up to how the painter wants to paint them tbh

same reason why their origin isnt explained

its not that deep

[real stone]

He takes them from the neat people he's killed

and if I remember correctly, not all of them are human

[rose thorn]

Okay, thank you Dilara, i was looking at the 9th edition codex art and realized 'id expect the master of basically all of chaos to have alot more heads on his trophy belt'

[real stone]

Plus, you gotta remember. Abbadon is fucking crazy he spent so long waiting on the vengeful spirit with basically no one to talk to

[storm jungle]

Yeah i dont wanna be blunt sorry

its just that sometimes it doesnt matter

as in like

the people that make these minis dont put much thought into it

aside from

[real stone]

what looks cool

[storm jungle]

"hey lets give him a massive garden fence looking trophy belt"

yeah that

Model appearances tend to rarely get lore

[rose thorn]

lmao fair

[scenic bolt]

tbh a lot of recent modelling decisions also are in place to make recasters' lives more difficult

[opal maple]

waaaaaaaaaaaaagh

my favorite video on the lore is luetin09's video about orks, as well as the horus hersey. Learned so much from him

[storm jungle]

Yes

[rare cargo]

Leutin9's a good bit of fun. Does a good job of balancing detail with a bit of tongue in cheek humor

[plush mason]

so not even some members of the ordo malleus know the grey knights exist?

[frosty cobalt]

https://youtu.be/7IOjnolldn4

[cerulean wagon]

are you about to hurt me with this

[frosty cobalt]

Naw its good

[vapid tiger]

oculus good

arch bad

majorkill smells

Kinda ugly too tbh

[cerulean wagon]

its not about who the info is from, and more about the info itself

[vapid tiger]

What about it

Vraks cool

It's just overrated and there's a lot of really bad memes about it

[cerulean wagon]

Vraks is kinda aweful hogwash, so it taints pretty much everything it touches

[vapid tiger]

vraks cool.

Just ignore the numbers and memes

Total net loss for the imperium

Effectively a net gain for chaos

what's not to like

[cerulean wagon]

everything about the writting

[vapid tiger]

writting

i mean it's fine i guess for 40k

Cardinal is manipulated by chaos servant into effectively seceding an armory world from the imperium

Siege is set up by the imperium using siege regiments

Siege goes on until alpha legion gets involved

Dark angels fight alpha legion, then they fuck off

Vraks defenders slowly subverted to chaos over time

Chaos fleet appears, kills imperial fleet, and deposits a shitload of csm on the planet before fucking off

Becomes a clusterfuck as inquisition and marine chapters are deployed to deal with it

Initial servant becomes a daemon prince because of the clusterfuck he made

By the time the siege grounds the defenders to dust the armory world is useless because they used up most of the shit being stored there

Hinted at being instigated by abaddon as vraks becoming useless makes the 13th black crusade much easier

p average battle

cool thematically

Not much of an engaging narrative but it's not terrible

It's alright

[cerulean wagon]

thats the overall plot, not the actual writing

its a very poor book set, that lead to the weird krieg cult playerbase

[vapid tiger]

Oh the nitty gritty gets convoluted

But that's 40k book writing in a nutshell

I mean I'll take it over the clusterfuck that is the second battle of damnos

[eternal rune]

2nd battle of damnos is based tho

Ultramarines go to necron tomb world and kick ass, decisive victory, leave

[cerulean wagon]

but its such trash writting

arguably worse than vraks even

[eternal rune]

If it has an imperial victory it's good writing considering how underpowered the imperium is

[plush mason]

underpowered?

[storm jungle]

Imperium

Underpowered

literally wins 99% of the battles in the setting

[plush mason]

they are like one of the most overpowered factions in the entire setting

[eternal rune]

It's constantly written as being doomed though

Like "lol chaos will win!!!"

"chaos is unstoppable!"

"tyranids are unstoppable!!!"

"necrons and orks are unstoppable!"

"the imperium is DOOMED!!!!"

Like chaos is way more op than the imperium

Due to favoritism from writers

[storm jungle]

Theres literally no favoritism

why do you think the Imperium gets like 50 books monthly

[eternal rune]

Guilliman and primaris marines were a much needed power boost

[storm jungle]

Not really

lol

[eternal rune]

They do not

[plush mason]

abaddon has literally failed 13 times to destroy the imperium

[eternal rune]

And abaddon is also a mary sue because gw rewrote him as having won all 13 of them somehow

[storm jungle]

None of the black crusades were failures

literally all of them had a single objective

[storm jungle]

Yes they do

do I have to get the warhammer community post from last month

[eternal rune]

Well other factions aren't as popular ofc

That's like asking for more CIS centered episodes in the clone wars cartoon

Or for the main characters of lotr to be sauron and some orcs

[plush mason]

being?

[storm jungle]

Go read the lexi and wiki entries

[eternal rune]

Or for the decepticons to be the protagonists of transformers

[storm jungle]

too long to spell out here

[rose thorn]

id disagree, sure the imperium is the msot popular

[eternal rune]

They're the heroes therefore they get the most stories

[rose thorn]

but there is alot of varity in the imperium, and also xenos are popular

[storm jungle]

Yeah that too

Imperium just get more books because of having WAY more fans

[rose thorn]

and chaos

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[plush mason]

every 3rd model sold is a SM so ofc they and the imperium get the most lore

[rose thorn]

I kinda wish the imperium split in half, but meh i think its fine enough

[plush mason]

i mean it has afaik

[eternal rune]

Xenos are literally npcs tho

Why should they get most books?

[rose thorn]

..... no????

[storm jungle]

NPCs?

excuse me?

LOL

[eternal rune]

They're like

The villains

[storm jungle]

Vıllains?

[rose thorn]

THe xenos bools are some of the best

[eternal rune]

Shit to oppose the heroes

[storm jungle]

the Imperium is the bad guys

[barren tapir]

🚩 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

[storm jungle]

you know this right

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

[rose thorn]

eeheheh

[eternal rune]

The Imperium are bad guys but compared to other 40k factions they're the protagonists

[storm jungle]

They arent

[rose thorn]

thats marketing

[plush mason]

no. there are no heros or villians in 40k. everyone is shit

[storm jungle]

^

[rose thorn]

not actual story

[storm jungle]

Oh my god

im gonna have to uh

go find the GW post

saying the Imperium is shit again

[eternal rune]

There's literally an entire line of miniatures called "space marine heroes"

[plush mason]

cuz hero units

[eternal rune]

Warhammer Adventures calls marines and the imperium heroic

[storm jungle]

Dude

thats marketing

[eternal rune]

It's not just marketing

[shadow plover]

they are their heroes

[eternal rune]

That's how it's written

[shadow plover]

one third of the space marine heroes are death guard for crying out loud

[barren tapir]

Yeah, written marketing, didn't you know it exist?

[rose thorn]

correct me if im wrong, but in AOS they are caleld heros, but in 40k they are called characters

[eternal rune]

You constantly have bl authors and 40k stories basically validating the imperium's worst behaviors

Justifying exterminatus and mutant genocide for example

[storm jungle]

Theres literally

a space marine chapter

that takes

unwilling humans

so they can breed

and make better candidates

against their will

[barren tapir]

No, not really

[rose thorn]

besides the world eaters?

[storm jungle]

This is the Imperium so no

LMAO

[rose thorn]

heeh

[barren tapir]

That would be too reasonable for world eaters anyway

[storm jungle]

But yeah like, the Imperium is shown as heroes in marketing because no kid is gonna buy from a store of a space marine stepping on a human civillian that just wanted his world to be free from imperial oppression

[eternal rune]

There's an entire chapter of dark imperium devoted to "this is why you shouldn't take care of soldiers"

Because a hospital proves to be perfect grounds for nurgle to possess three guys and summon an army

[storm jungle]

Doesnt matter

the Imperium is a hellhole

its just as bad as the people they fight against

[rose thorn]

Its a political hellscape

[storm jungle]

^

[eternal rune]

There's a community article about why the arbites are right

[storm jungle]

They arent

[barren tapir]

That is one hella way to twist the event lol

[eternal rune]

There's whole yt videos about the imperium being right

[storm jungle]

Arbiters were made from the start as a parody of police brutality

you fucking idiot

LOL

[plush mason]

the imperium fan base is cringe as hell so ofc they would say that lol

[rose thorn]

this reminds me when like, they revealed that the custodies have spies in almost every chapter, and this guy made a post freaking out about it and it was fucking halarious

[barren tapir]

You are not really good at detecting sarcasm and plainly falsehood are you?

[rose thorn]

i couldnt tell if it was ironic or not but he was lke

[storm jungle]

Guys guys

its fine

this arbiter just split my skull open

since i stole some bread

to feed my starving kids

its for a good cause

[barren tapir]

There are awful guys trying to justify the imperium on YT, that mean less than nothing

[plush mason]

arent the arbites just judge dredd on steroids?

[barren tapir]

It is for making you thinking better you ungrateful slave! Another pass will help you see this better!

[odd tulip]

Does the imperium keep humanity alive? yeah, kinda

Is it a good, aspirational state? Fuuuuck no

[rose thorn]

YEa they are horrifically uh, wahts the term

[barren tapir]

TBF the imperium keep humanity at gunpoint, it is like a kidnapper keeping its prey alive...

[odd tulip]

shoot first questions later

[plush mason]

its literal chattel slavery on a scale unimaginable irl

[odd tulip]

Yeah, thats kinda my point. Just because it works doesn't mean its a place you want to be

[barren tapir]

I would argue on the "just because it work" but eh

[rose thorn]

okays o, if 2 guy sare fighitng infront of a bar, the arbites wont do anything

but if a rock is thrown and almost hits an important political figure, the arbites will hunt down and torture and lobotomize who eveer threw that rock

[eternal rune]

That sounds like a meme

The Imperium is p reasonable in most stories

[storm jungle]

OH MY GOD

LMAO

[eternal rune]

Otherwise how would they survive for 10k years

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-austin-powers-dancing-gif-10931648

[storm jungle]

by model sales

[odd tulip]

Mass guns

[storm jungle]

the Imperium literally loses worlds on a daily basis

since its a shithole of a society

[plush mason]

wtf stories have you read man?

[odd tulip]

and also gains more

[eternal rune]

It's still bad but like

It's the best of bad options

[storm jungle]

its not

LMAO

[rose thorn]

achem

the Badab war

[eternal rune]

It loses worlds because it's underpowered and every other faction is more powerful aside from eldar and tau

[odd tulip]

Nah the Interex is the best of bad options, the Imperium is rotten to the core

[barren tapir]

Yeah, that is why many people don't take the setting seriously, in reality it would crumble in less than a century... But since it is a main faction it cannot go in the bin sadly

[storm jungle]

its not underpowered

whats the actual matter with you

[plush mason]

this

[storm jungle]

Also

tau

underpowered

Metal Gear Rex much?

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51pdt2RT8tL._AC_SY780_.jpg

[odd tulip]

Being unable to properly ftl is kinda crippling for tau

they're just too small

[rose thorn]

cant lie, tau are pretty cool looking

id lvoe to make a chaos tau army

[barren tapir]

If we apply all the dumb stuff the imperium do on a daily basis they could be seen as underpowered, but that would mean nothing, since its death wouldn't come from the exterior but from the inside

[eternal rune]

The interex died because they were easily manipulated by chaos, hence why erebus was able to steal the chaos artifacts they kept around. They were p much corrupted already

There's multiple loretubers who have stated this

[storm jungle]

So?

You say it like the Imperiım is better

where

[odd tulip]

I'm fairly certain the interex died because the imperium squashed them like a bug

[storm jungle]

every world

EVEN TERRA

worships chaos

[eternal rune]

It was worse than the Imperium

[barren tapir]

How the hell did you managed to twist to such this extent the fate of the interex lol????

[storm jungle]

and has thousands of cults

[storm jungle]

No it wasnt

thats the irony of them getting destroyed

[odd tulip]

should probs read books and not get info from loretubers my guy

[eternal rune]

Other factions are stronger than it individually

[storm jungle]

Fucking hell

its 40k

everyone is OP

[odd tulip]

Everyone is OP in their own Codex lmao

[barren tapir]

Yup, and it was because after erebus stole the knife the interex suspected the entire legion to be corrupted by chaos, which the interex knew about, while the imperial didn't, and the interex was actually winning against chaos lol

[rose thorn]

Even GSCs

[eternal rune]

Orks are more powerful than the imperium

Chaos is more powerful than everyone

Tyranids are more powerful than everyone except chaos

Same with necrons

[storm jungle]

Yes

its 40k

everyone is OP

again

[eternal rune]

So the imperium is underpowered

[storm jungle]

They arent

[barren tapir]

Yeah, they are all wrong then, and should read more and speak less

[storm jungle]

but ok

[rose thorn]

no0???

[eternal rune]

They're surrounded by those guys

Who are more powerful

[storm jungle]

Yes because that sthe point of the setting

since

1985

[eternal rune]

They are underdog protagonists

[storm jungle]

They arent

lmao

"underdog protagonists"

[rose thorn]

no one its based off of bias

[eternal rune]

The only way 40k would be worth getting into as a setting and story would be to root for them to win and pull through since it would be cathartic

[plush mason]

i give up. have fun yall

[odd tulip]

NECRONS ARE GUNNA WAKE UP AND WIN! TYRANIDS ARE GUNNA EAT THE WHOLE GALAXY! CHAOS IS GUNNA UNITE AND COME OUT OF THE RIFT! THE IMPERIUM IS GUNNA WAKE UP EMPS AND GREAT CRUSADE 2.0! THE ELDAR ARE GUNNA MAKE A GOD AND KILL CHAOS! Tau

[rose thorn]

im bias in the fact i think chaos is the most powerful

[shadow plover]

how the fuck is the faction that encompasses the whole fucking galaxy like a tumour is the underdog

[eternal rune]

They are spread thin

[storm jungle]

Okay like

[eternal rune]

Also most imperial worlds are comfy and not hive worlds

[storm jungle]

this guy has to be trolling

or is just

really young

and indoctrinated by lore

I legit cannot

[odd tulip]

homies been huffing loretubers for too long

[rose thorn]

heheh

[barren tapir]

New to the lore

[rose thorn]

so uh waht 40k had that non binary love interest?

[barren tapir]

It is a victim of bad loretubers too

[rose thorn]

40k book

[odd tulip]

O I forgot we had a pin for this

READ THE GODDAMN PINS

[shadow plover]

where do you get all these tired future war distant year people from

[odd tulip]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294604960614842368/911228212284104744/unknown.png

statement from gW

[rose thorn]

oh if orgot we had pins

[storm jungle]

Also most imperial worlds are comfy

https://i.imgur.com/388oPpK.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d3/93/a7/d393a771e81b306139531970e5da240e.jpg

[odd tulip]

Most imperial worlds are feudal backwaters where you spend your whole life farming and then die at the ripe old age of 35

[storm jungle]

^

[barren tapir]

BTW, i would be curious to know which loretubers say that the imperium is the underdog... Or which loretubers they follow

[empty current]

Most imperial worlds aren't feudal, most of them are about on part with a modern day dictatorship in terms of quality of life, the only difference is there's a space port, and the dictators have lasguns.

[eternal rune]

So you confirm that I'm citing actual canon lore and that your "imperium evilest of all" narrative is just a meme?

[storm jungle]

No im just saying you're blind

read the GW statement

right above you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/294604960614842368/911228212284104744/unknown.png

[odd tulip]

If anything, the Imperium is the overdog, but its a dog that has leprosy

[eternal rune]

I bet there's those on this very server who agree

[shadow plover]

how did you end up with this notion that it would be just a meme?

[storm jungle]

Yeah

we ban those people

sorry

[odd tulip]

server has like 10k people on it there's probably people here who think the earth is flat

[empty current]

Most imperial worlds follow an Imperial Governor model, where there's a single planetary governor appointed by sub-sector or sector officials.

[barren tapir]

Agreeing on something doesn't mean that the thing is the right thing

[barren tapir]

Are you telling me it is not a cube?!?!?!

[plush mason]

sadly true

[odd tulip]

Velociraptor earth or riot

[rose thorn]

are there any canon necron relationships?

[empty current]

to be fair, I disregard public statements like that because they're made to satiate twitter mobs and not actually say anything profound about the lore.

[eternal rune]

Exactly

It's like

[storm jungle]

Its absolutely needed

the Imperium is a fascist hellhole

[eternal rune]

First world dictatorships if they existed

They would be bad but still comfy

[storm jungle]

????

[eternal rune]

If you follow the rules

[storm jungle]

OKAY

THATS CROSSING THE LINE

LMAO

[eternal rune]

I just said they'd be bad

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/seriously-gif-23861497

[storm jungle]

Bad but comfy

are you fucking

serious

[barren tapir]

That show a great lack of lore knowledge

[odd tulip]

comfy like my bed in the soviet gulag

[storm jungle]

sdkdfskj

[rose thorn]

im like 90% sure Imperium has the 3rd most amount of slaves out of every faction

[storm jungle]

this too

[shadow plover]

comfy if you're fine with 20 hour work days and an apartment of two square meters with little to no pay

[empty current]

The Imperium as a whole isn't fascistic in structure, more like a theocratic feudal oligarchy, but there's lots of individual worlds that follow a more fascistic structure.

[storm jungle]

Its fascist

[shadow plover]

also you probably will get drafted to a shitty post as a guardsman pdf and die

[barren tapir]

More, the majority of imperium "citizens" are slaves

[odd tulip]

nah, imeriums so big its probably the most. Per capita probably third, but in general... it's very big.

[rose thorn]

YEah but chaos and necrons

well

[storm jungle]

I still cannot get over the fact that

[rose thorn]

necrons liek tribute

[storm jungle]

this guy said

[rose thorn]

not slavery

[storm jungle]

dictatorships are better

[odd tulip]

Most necrons are still snoozin

[storm jungle]

just

a lil comfy

[barren tapir]

Necrons don't have slaves

[cerulean wagon]

wait

[odd tulip]

in old lore orks had slaves

[cerulean wagon]

ork slavery rates we have no idea on

[odd tulip]

dunno if thats still cannon

[cerulean wagon]

its still cannon

[barren tapir]

They still have sometime, but not to the amount of the imperium

[rose thorn]

they dont? i swore they did

[cerulean wagon]

they are more a shoot first and keep shooting till your dead kinda deal

[storm jungle]

Some overlords actually do take populations as slaves but its like an ego-boost thing

[barren tapir]

Nope, never, they have sometime barbaric people that worship them, but no slave

[storm jungle]

theres actually some official art of it

[plush mason]

i mean all but like 1% of the imperium's pop are literal chattel slaves lol

[rose thorn]

yeah thats what i thoguht

[storm jungle]

Yeee

but its not widespread

Most necrons just kill outright

[odd tulip]

To be clear btw, because of population density, if you were born into the IoM, the vast, vast, VAST likelihood is that you would be born on a hiveworld. And let me tell you, being a hiver is NOT a good time

[empty current]

calling the imperium fascist = not knowing what fascism is, I'm sorry. The imperium is an evil hellhole but it's not fascist, just like it's not communist. It tracks a lot more with more historic systems of government, not 20th century government.

[barren tapir]

Wrong message to reply, but yes

[storm jungle]

Is that why it has a sharp angular eagle as its insignia too

no wait

you'll just say

[empty current]

It's a theocratic feudal state, ruled by an oligarchic council.

[storm jungle]

"thats rome"

Its still fascist in the end

for the love of god

[shadow plover]

I love it when this channel gets active always a good time

[storm jungle]

spare me the "feudal oligarchy" shit

[barren tapir]

I think we are seeing a language barrier with the word fascist here

[empty current]

how do you define fascism then?

[plush mason]

i havent slept and my dog ate my glasses so i can barely read have of this lol :/

[odd tulip]

In modern lore the entire IoM responds to the word of a single man, who is also the centre of the state religion. It's a theocratic fascists dictatorship.

[empty current]

is it just any government that is evil and xenophobic?

[barren tapir]

Vikscar are you an english speaker? Like, mother tongue?

[storm jungle]

a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government.

so yeah

Imperium

but no they got governors and are ruled by a council

massive difference

my bad

[odd tulip]

This could be Robby G or emps these days

accurate in both cases

[storm jungle]

time to go back to the wall im gonna get shot at

[barren tapir]

That is more the definition of totalitarian though

[eternal rune]

Better than being eaten by orks and nids or enslaved by necrons, chaos, tau or dark eldar

[rose thorn]

Theres ntohtingh wrong with liking the imperium, or chaos, or even a hyper evil factions, you jsut need to be aware taht everything has a layer of irony of it, and be aware of waht your faction is representing

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah

[barren tapir]

Guys, this is leading no way, i think it is a language thing

[storm jungle]

you'll just become a cyborg slave

[barren tapir]

Like for me

[storm jungle]

or lobotimized

or beaten to death

[odd tulip]

I had a post for this ages ago but I didnt pin it, like a dumbass

[storm jungle]

or shanked

[eternal rune]

Servitors are not lobotomized

[storm jungle]

The yare

[eternal rune]

They are vat grown humans

[storm jungle]

OKAY

[shadow plover]

??

[barren tapir]

Fascism in english is used as umbrella, but i think Vikscar isn't a english speaker

[storm jungle]

this guy is trolling

[shadow plover]

SOME TIMES BUT WHAT

[eternal rune]

Who never had consciousness to begin with

It's a humane practice

[storm jungle]

Okay yeah

this has to be like

an alt account

[eternal rune]

No I'm just citing lore

[storm jungle]

1 sec

[barren tapir]

No you aren't

[storm jungle]

Once lobotomised and "improved," by process of painful operations, even criminals and Heretics are granted one last chance to serve the Imperium.

[rose thorn]

tahts hard to compare because they are all different, dark eldar i sworse then death, but necrons you are just circle jerking a robot

[shadow plover]

not only english but I'd say most western cultures define it that way

[empty current]

no so see, I've read Giovanni Gentile "Doctrine of Fascism", and the Vampire Economy, and it has a specific definition of what it is, using it as an umbrella devalues how horrible it can actually be.

[barren tapir]

If you read the actual lore you would know what the servitors are

[storm jungle]

^

[barren tapir]

So you are not an english speaker right?

[shadow plover]

give me your sources

[storm jungle]

Now you are just getting lore wrong

[eternal rune]

Then it's a grimderp retcon

[storm jungle]

ıts not

[eternal rune]

I read it on 1d4chan and that's reliable

[storm jungle]

servitors have always been lobotimized humans

Okay yeah

[shadow plover]

L O L

[storm jungle]

this guy is a troll

LMAO

Like

you had me at first

[shadow plover]

holy shit

[storm jungle]

but now its just a bit on the nose

[odd tulip]

Oh, found it

[storm jungle]

Guilliman was retconned

[eternal rune]

You guys are just fans of grimderp

[storm jungle]

doesnt count

We arent

dumbass

lmao

[odd tulip]

READ THE BOOKS

Jesus christ

[eternal rune]

Or you're all from r/sigmarxism

[storm jungle]

If you actually want to die in a factory be our guest

[shadow plover]

this channel is mostly anti grimderp if you'd see it any other time

[eternal rune]

Then acknowledge that the Imperium is necessary despite being evil

[barren tapir]

@empty current so, you aren't an anglo person right? Because i think i got why you don't agree with the use of fascist word...

[shadow plover]

lol no

[storm jungle]

lmao

[eternal rune]

Men must make hard decisions in such dire times

[storm jungle]

Yeah

like killing children

i guess

[shadow plover]

how the fuck do you make that leap in logic

[barren tapir]

We actually hate it

[odd tulip]

What part of "the most cruel and bloody regime imaginable" is lost on you?

[storm jungle]

Hes trolling

[eternal rune]

When chaos can infest their minds and make them psychopaths? Yes

[barren tapir]

I don't even know what this is

[storm jungle]

okay

now he says

child murder is okay

[odd tulip]

The interex countered this with knowledge

[eternal rune]

In 40k

Not irl

[storm jungle]

Fuck off

lmao

Guys I swear the Imperium is great
We gotta kill the kids tho

[eternal rune]

None of the imperium's justifications would work irl

[shadow plover]

genuinely if you're being serious with all this, how long have you been familiar with 40k? Do you get your sources from anywhere else but 1d4chan?

[barren tapir]

And was winning i would like to add

[eternal rune]

But in 40k it works

[storm jungle]

It doesnt

but ok

[eternal rune]

I have the 9th ed codex

[odd tulip]

He's effectively said he only watches loretubers

[rose thorn]

of?

[eternal rune]

Main rulebook

[plush mason]

for which faction?

[shadow plover]

even there you will find a lot of contradictions to what you've stated

[vast frigate]

OIOIOI WHOTS GOIN ON IN ERE

[odd tulip]

I need you to sit down and read like, the first 40 pages of that book. I'm almost certain it contains the "cruellest and most bloody regime imaginable" blurb

[plush mason]

imperium stan saying its the underdog protagonist faction

[shadow plover]

99% of the lore is outside the codexes and rulebooks

[crisp heath]

Idiots and grimwar

[odd tulip]

codexs are decent primers for the setting, but to really dig deep you gotta read the books

[vast frigate]

Here you go fuckers

found the quote for ya

[shadow plover]

This is the first time I've seen one of these people in the wild

amazing

[plush mason]

LOL

[storm jungle]

Yeah bask in it

we get these guys once in awhile

[shadow plover]

I literally stopped everything else I had going on just to contribute in this

[empty current]

well fascism is a cult of the state where everything is within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state. It has core tenants, and is as complex a philosophy as marxism or any other 20th century political theory. It's evil, totalitarian (which is worse than simply authoritarian), and it perpetrates a moral agenda which it enslaves its people towards.

The Imperium follows an absolutist moral structure, similar to fascism, but it has separations like the ministorum, and the mechanicus, and most worlds simply follow a feudal model of tithe delivery to the larger imperium. On an individual planet level, there are more fascist planets, and the imperium has definitely gotten more fascistic since the rise of Robote, but still, a fascist dictatorship doesn't work on a galactic scale, it requires too much control that just isn't there in the iumperium which is a government that barely functions enough to survive at the best of times.

Also BasedDachshund is a troll, you guys are just feeding him.

[storm jungle]

We know

but like

its fascinating seeing how far he can go

[empty current]

fair

[storm jungle]

"Guys child murder in-universe is ok"

"But also the Imperium is the good guys"

[shadow plover]

and I sorta hope in the case he isn't this will get him to see things a bit differently

[empty current]

In 40k, all factions are painted in shades of black.

[vast frigate]

they always end up being fascist, nazis or sexists so like

eventually it all becomes hilarious

[storm jungle]

LMAO

ah fuck

[vast frigate]

and we end up saying ''AND THERE IT IS''

[storm jungle]

i should have posted the trans necron

[eternal rune]

It does but that's a GW meme

[storm jungle]

Oh my god LMAO

[empty current]

In 40k, everyone is just trying to survive and doing horrible things to that end.

[rose thorn]

WAIT WHAT

[odd tulip]

lmao

[plush mason]

and then we get to see the ban hammer drop

[eternal rune]

Considering that stuff like dark heresy states that most imperial worlds are fine

[storm jungle]

Okay so like

jokes aside

can we ban him

or is there not enough evidence

[odd tulip]

WHERE IN DARK HERESY DOES IT SAY THAT

[vast frigate]

To return to the original

[crisp heath]

WHERE

[vast frigate]

Most imperial worlds

[crisp heath]

IN

[eternal rune]

A lot of dark heresy worlds are comfy

[crisp heath]

DARK HERESY

[rose thorn]

wait lets do the test

[crisp heath]

A FUCKING WORD

[eternal rune]

Like the agri world that's a paradise

[crisp heath]

OF

THIS

[storm jungle]

WHICH ONE

[shadow plover]

is this from 1d4chan as well

[eternal rune]

But just has some war on it

[crisp heath]

DUDE !

[odd tulip]

Ok you have not played dark heresy

[crisp heath]

FOUND IT

[rose thorn]

lets talk about our favorite 40k trans characters

[odd tulip]

the whole point of that game is uprooting cults deep within the bowls of hive worlds

[crisp heath]

DARK HERESY IS THE PERFECT RPG FOR SEEING IMPERIUM ARE MOST HORRIBLE SET !

[odd tulip]

there is no part of dark heresy that can be described as even adjacent to comfy

[storm jungle]

@eternal rune Did you know 40K also has a lot of LGBT stuff

like an actual canon trans necron

i got evidence for it

[rose thorn]

HOLY SHIT FR?

[odd tulip]

yeah

[rose thorn]

okay i want a necron army jsut for that

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah i wasnt memeing

[crisp heath]

Dark Heresy chill XD

[shadow plover]

probably just woke pandering.... /s

[storm jungle]

sdfkdskjdfs

[odd tulip]

It's actually kinda lit

I loved that passage in the book

[crisp heath]

Agriworld "good set"

XD

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/368066737167400960/932371528006373516/SPOILER_20220116_202936.jpg

There it is

[shadow plover]

also one of the best 40k stories ever

[storm jungle]

"I thought Anathrosis was your patriarch?"

"That changed."

"I see."

[odd tulip]

"That changed."
"I see."

literally all that ever needs to be said lmao

[vast frigate]

But do you really see

[storm jungle]

lmao

[plush mason]

lol

[vast frigate]

or do you

[storm jungle]

okay he went quiet

i think my bait wasnt good enough

damn

😩

[vast frigate]

darn

[rose thorn]

am i getting it mixed up with something else or doesnt eldar actually have a handful of trans characters?

[storm jungle]

Ah no they dont

[vast frigate]

considering its the eldar

their entire boats could be trans

[storm jungle]

Like in-canon at least

[vast frigate]

and we wouldnt know

[storm jungle]

but yeah what Eli said

eldar dont mind anything in their society

unless its like hedonism lmao

[vast frigate]

like the eldar flesh shapers are like

so fucking good at their job

[plush mason]

i mean transhumanism is at the heart of 40k

[vast frigate]

when repairing wounds etc

[storm jungle]

gonna shove some pipes out my ears and in my nose

a true admech enjoyer

[plush mason]

yup

[eternal rune]

Ok?

[storm jungle]

Whats your opinion on it

👀

[rose thorn]

like how all the dark angels are gay

[storm jungle]

the fucking silence 🤣

[vast frigate]

❤️

[storm jungle]

god im dying

[odd tulip]

r/DarkAngels is based

[plush mason]

and traitors 😛

[shadow plover]

tbf all space marines are

[vast frigate]

i want gw to awknoledge space wolves brother companies already

vikings

oh how gay the vikings were

[rose thorn]

nah the traitors are the straight ones

[storm jungle]

OH NO

[crisp heath]

Oh

New ?

[storm jungle]

the machine spirit denies

[crisp heath]

Oh

Sad

[odd tulip]

wow I didnt know we had that

neat

[storm jungle]

Same

[shadow plover]

that's new #theorycrafting message

[storm jungle]

Ah yeah

it must be new

but yeah anyway in short

@eternal rune embrace the gay

[empty current]

huh

[odd tulip]

hold on lemme go ask god about it real quick

[eternal rune]

Whatever

[storm jungle]

LOL

sorry dach

space marines are kinda gay

[broken bridge]

what the hell did i miss

[storm jungle]

Dach guy went on an hour long tirade about the Imperium being good guys

[crisp heath]

I remerber i played once a Battle sister n DH and i fall in love with the Imperial Guard x)

[storm jungle]

and are "underpowered"

we kinda played along

[empty current]

everyone's circling like vultures around a troll

[plush mason]

do me a favor and ask about that money he still owes me while you are at it 😛

[rose thorn]

and sisters are also super lesbian too

[crisp heath]

Lesbian*

Important

[rose thorn]

thank you

[crisp heath]

Not gay, Lesbian

[odd tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/gay-supergay-what-gif-25077107

[storm jungle]

I love how

he instantly went quiet

when I asked

LMAO

[rose thorn]

thank you, i wasnt sure if i could use lesbians as an adjective or not

[crisp heath]

You can, why you cannot ? XD

[vast frigate]

We are literally liking a setting that has super Beefcakes spar together in loincloths and oil, in a marble theatre, overseen by their younger fellows.

tell me how that is straight

[storm jungle]

He denies the truth Ely

we must teach him

[vast frigate]

bro im boutta drop all the marine art where they got them nipples out

ban be damned

[storm jungle]

tru tru

[vast frigate]

Its official gw material goddamnit

[empty current]

I'm not opposed to hot lesbian sister of battle sex

[crisp heath]

Oh

[vast frigate]

this isnt about sex

[rose thorn]

besides uhh, EC?

[crisp heath]

Sad

[empty current]

but I wouldn't be opposed to it

[rose thorn]

its abou tloveeeeeeeeeeeeee, 2 cute sisters cuddling in bed

after slaying some xenos for the day

[crisp heath]

Sister dont' "fuck" or something like this

[eternal rune]

I have, my DM valrak told me that most imperial worlds are fine

[crisp heath]

Ok

Guys

[storm jungle]

Valrak

[rose thorn]

yes?

[crisp heath]

He from Valrak XD

[storm jungle]

as a lore source

💀

[crisp heath]

Dilara, can you laught for me please ?

[storm jungle]

I'll try

[crisp heath]

Me too 😔

[rose thorn]

OH QUICK QUESTION

is lroe hammer a good source for 40k lore?

[storm jungle]

Whats lorehammer?

a site?

[crisp heath]

W+

[rose thorn]

podcast

[storm jungle]

Hmm

ngl cant admit ive ever listened to them

[rose thorn]

they are actually pretty funny

[shadow plover]

I've seen them on spotify frontpage but never gave it a try

[crisp heath]

Mag, you speak about Loremaster from Warhams+ ?

[vast frigate]

let me check for ya

[rose thorn]

no lorehammer

[crisp heath]

Didnt know

I gonna check them

[rose thorn]

yaY!

OH MY DOG I FORGOT I JOIUNED THIER PATRON BUT NEVER JOINED THIER DISCORD

[storm jungle]

I think its probably fine? If you doubt anything they say you can just ask it here

or go to the lexi

see no harm in it

[crisp heath]

Or for french, Omnis Bibliotheca

[plush mason]

who is Valrak?

[crisp heath]

Even as french one, i go to english Lexi, so much acknowledged

[rose thorn]

yeah ive checked mostly chaos stuff they doa nd seem mostly right

[storm jungle]

🙏

[storm jungle]

40k youtuber

stans the Imperial Fists

[rose thorn]

but they admit uhhh, whent hey fuck up

[storm jungle]

a good lad but sometimes goes overboard with marine love

[plush mason]

oh lol

[storm jungle]

But like

isnt a fascist loser like Arch or whatever so hes fine

[crisp heath]

Too much

[storm jungle]

just a bit misguided at times

[vast frigate]

valrak is like

a massive space marine stan

and gw fan

but

he does his best to get the lore right

[plush mason]

oh wait chaptermaster valrak?

[crisp heath]

Yeah

[vast frigate]

ye

the guy who owns all pots of lamenters glaze now

[plush mason]

i have seen him pop up a few times on YT but i never watched his videos lol

[storm jungle]

same lol

but hes fine

[crisp heath]

He's funny, he trash talk Iron Warrior

[plush mason]

like all true sons of dorn

[crisp heath]

I guess, i don't really care x)

[empty current]

chapter master valrak's content is too annoying for me. I'm sure he's a nice guy though.

[crisp heath]

I'm ok with all Warhammer 40k shit

[plush mason]

just not Arch right?

[crisp heath]

Tau, Eldars, Ork, Imperium, SM, Necron...

I enjoy