potent burrow
Like-- Just?
#40k-lore-chat
storm jungle
He does tho
one of the Hammer & Bolter episodes actually showcases this really well too
storm jungle
Nah all good
Tzeentch isnt really out there so to speak
the other chaos gods are more on the whole conquest game so the bird-boys tend to not really get much action since they are all about knowledge/corruption or simply doing background stuff
real stone
Facilitating the conquest game, influencing the conquest game. In short, being massive nerds.
lyric ember
Flamer.
lyric ember
also where?
Wdym
lyric ember
Friend who has yet to be wrong
So i trust them
Although maybe they are wrong since new lore
odd sparrow
It has been brought to my attention that the leagues of votann *worship* Ai
this is where that's from
tl;dr they revere gigantic DaoT computers and use them to dish out technological designs, STCs, philosophy etc
Why? The Votann are Ancestor Cores – super-cogitators, gestalt repositories of inherited wisdom and knowledge. Each League has its own Votann, central to its way of life, and no Kin would hesitate to lay down their lives to protect it – these venerable cogitators are as sacred to the Kin as gods are to the more spiritual races. That’s the sort of thing the Adeptus Mechanicus has strong opinions on.
Worship appears to be the wrong word for it tho, they generally don't seem superstitious
big boi compooter
vast frigate
It has been brought to my attention that the leagues of votann *worship* Ai
most stc are ai driven so
this is literally them just revering old stc constructs
lyric ember
Wat
real stone
Told ya it'd be AI
odd sparrow
They don't appear to be described as STCs
real stone
They're tech heretics
So bad even the machanicum won't touch em with their MANY mechadendrites
odd sparrow
they're just designed as gigantic supercomputers bolted to big boy hard drives
odd sparrow
So bad even the machanicum won't touch em with their MANY mechadendrites
Seemingly more like they're kept a closely guarded secret by the squats explicitly to keep admech away from them
lyric ember
It's breaking away because of it
odd sparrow
shrugs
vast frigate
AKA that thing the mechanicus REALLY want
odd sparrow
big DaoT computer
vast frigate
if you clean those cores up and remove the ancestral knowledge of it
so... yknow sentiment etc
youd have a rapid fire stc rig
odd sparrow
my main thing is i really do not like these armour designs
i didn't even think they were squats
atomic pelican
Wait
vast frigate
....
atomic pelican
THATS. Squay
odd sparrow
just looked like bulky marine armour
vast frigate
we had this discussion
odd sparrow
YEP
atomic pelican
I THOUGHT IT WAS A FIST
odd sparrow
SAME
vast frigate
:/
odd sparrow
I literally didn't even clock it was meant to be dorf
vast frigate
too square to be a marine
odd sparrow
highkey I hope they're a lil more dwarf looking in model
vast frigate
they are
alpine ingot
Mechanicus by their own rules are tech heretics since the Void Dragon is located on mars and all that. It's just who's skeletons are poking out of the closet even more then the other guys.
vast frigate
look at the art
alpine ingot
The league is fine.
atomic pelican
I saw someone post that earlier and thought "huh neat Fist, allied with the Votann?"
odd sparrow
we haven't seen the big chunky bois in models yet
vast frigate
odd sparrow
I saw someone post that earlier and thought "huh neat Fist, allied with the Vota...
i was tryna figure out what it had to do with squats
atomic pelican
LMAO
vast frigate
how does this look like a marine besides ''lol big power armor''
pl;ease
i honestly dont get it
atomic pelican
Thats literally the main marine descriptor
odd sparrow
cus it's a big man in power armour
atomic pelican
Especially fists
odd sparrow
that's all a marine is
atomic pelican
Big yellow guy
odd sparrow
That one looks a lil more distinct cus the fabric gives a unique aesthetic
alpine ingot
to be entirely honest, it reminds me of some Librarian armor, but that's about it
vast frigate
nope
odd sparrow
large man in armour
vast frigate
overhead vent, plated round shoulders instead of half orbs
atomic pelican
No no u see hes actually a bit shorter
vast frigate
not man in big armor
atomic pelican
If you looj closely
vast frigate
or BIG man in BIGGER armor
alpine ingot
and that's because I've seen some Librarians with robes that is vaguely similar to the first picture
storm jungle
WAIT
atomic pelican
Dont talk to me or my son ever again
odd sparrow
But yeah I'm hopeful my pretty low expectations will be surpassed with the models
storm jungle
I actually fixed that art piece
atomic pelican
Squat next to Fist
atomic pelican
BWUWGDHAHD
broken bridge
lol
storm jungle
atomic pelican
That looks amazing
atomic pelican
Little nugget marine
storm jungle
but yeah i hope its just the art style
odd sparrow
this man is like 50% legs
storm jungle
these guys just look like marines
broken bridge
how tall are squats?
atomic pelican
I think squat models might actually be abt the same size as Firstborn marines
odd sparrow
the actual height of dorfs depends on interpretation, it's either like
plush mason
cus it's a big man in power armour
big is a relative thing
broken bridge
ok so typical human to dwarf size
odd sparrow
seems like they're going for the slightly shorter much broader vibe here
which i dont necessarily love
alpine ingot
small swole stacked shitbrick house dwarves
storm jungle
yeah im gonna chalk that up to the artist not giving a fuck
these guys churn out artwork monthly so i wouldnt be assed either
odd sparrow
Yee the actual models we saw look like they have more of the onbrand circular dwarf silhouettes
they are balls of rage
alpine ingot
probably got a rough bulletpoint list and just blanked after reading runes, dwarven, power armor
plush mason
yup
odd sparrow
i'm glad runes still appear to be a part of their aesthetic
even if they're like, DRG corporate vibes now
alpine ingot
and just auto piloted and did human.
I want to see a member of the League and a Space wolf trading weapons to inspect the runes on them in admiration
plush mason
one problem is the background gives us no sense of scale
plush mason
that room may not be 10 foot high
plush mason
yup
storm jungle
dwarf art works better from the high up
odd sparrow
even so their silhouette doesn't work for me
storm jungle
Yeah same
storm jungle
its... too techy
atomic pelican
These dorfs would work perfectly aesthetically if they were tau aux
odd sparrow
Yeah that too. Like, IDK how i feel about the technologically advanced aesthetic they're going for? Conceptually cool given the only other faction that shares it in 40k is tau, but functionally might just end up feeling bland and flavourless
plush mason
i like it. space dwarves should be very high tech. the only point of dwarves in most settings is they have way better tech than everyone else
atomic pelican
Thats like 5 factions already
odd sparrow
Yeah but like, it's not the level of tech, it's the aesthetic
imo dwarves shouldn't just have like, basic bitch advanced sci fi aesthetics
we'll see what they've got
storm jungle
i like it. space dwarves should be very high tech. the only point of dwarves in ...
Kharadron are literally space dwarves
and are steampunk
and pull it off better
plush mason
imo dwarves shouldn't just have like, basic bitch advanced sci fi aesthetics
i mean this art doesnt tho. not many sci fi looks have a runic cape
storm jungle
just because they got runes doesnt make them instantly different tho
atomic pelican
https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/1/17/Kharadron_Overlords_Armo...
Dead space suitup cutscene
atomic pelican
i mean this art doesnt tho. not many sci fi looks have a runic cape
Space wolves
odd sparrow
If I had my way there would be more iconography, more fabrics, more general rugged-ness, more holdover architectural & fashion aesthetics from warhammer fantasy
gimme ships that are basically WHFB holds in space
plush mason
Space wolves
which are a part of 40k lol
storm jungle
What does that mean
atomic pelican
The point is that it doesnt make them unique within the setting
storm jungle
Ah yeah that
plush mason
when you say "basic sci fi" to me that means just any old sci fi like no man's sky or star trek
storm jungle
I mean yeah
40k has basic sci-fi shit too
the Imperium hogs the spotlight so everyone thinks everything must look gothic
and tau get shat on
etc etc
Van saar suffered this a lot too before people shut up finally
atomic pelican
Yeah 40k has p much every sci fi aesthetic
plush mason
so whats the problem?
atomic pelican
Yeah
storm jungle
These guys basically look like marines
I hope their future models are more standout
alpine ingot
it is sad because 40k is perfect for this since you can have varying levels of sci fi together to symbolize the disparity in tech levels across the Imperium
plush mason
maybe they will lol
odd sparrow
Van saar suffered this a lot too before people shut up finally
van saar is the like
full, unabridged example of what not to do aesthetically
storm jungle
Aw
odd sparrow
that's what I don't want for squats
storm jungle
Van Saar are fine since they are a minor faction at least
squats are apparently not gonna be a faction though?
which is what the warcom said
atomic pelican
Its just Necromunda thank god
plush mason
they are irradiated spider fools
odd sparrow
???
atomic pelican
squats are apparently not gonna be a faction though?
Didnt the previous one say they were?
storm jungle
I 100% remember them saying they arent a faction
1 sec ill go get it
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I hope this means like
odd sparrow
That's just saying they're not 100% new
storm jungle
"We had squats before, so they arent NEW new"
storm jungle
Yeee okay
odd sparrow
cus old faction from rogue trader
atomic pelican
Squats have existed
odd sparrow
yeah if it wasn't for the "'s i'd agree but no way they're not a full faction imo
they're not doing all this only to name it for a fuckin sidegame afterwards
atomic pelican
Could be like a auxillary faction for Imperials to pull from, but it seems theyre a full one
plush mason
wtf are they then
sub faction of the admech just to piss everyone off
storm jungle
awful
💀
but i like any faction that dabs on the Imperium so im glad they are seperate
plush mason
i mean most factions dab on them so
hell GSC dab on like 98% of space marine chapters
brittle nebula
These “super” cogitators are very interesting to me.
alpine ingot
I can already sense the Trayzn memes forming from this
brittle nebula
This but with a cogitator
cerulean wagon
but i like any faction that dabs on the Imperium so im glad they are seperate
semi seperate
if im readin it right they are kinda part of the imperium but not really
its another admech deal
except admech divide was actually well written
final spruce
They got a truce
proper helm
Anyone here know how the Tau government actually works? Like what sort of structures does it have. Also, are septs akin to imperial sectors or are they individual worlds?
final spruce
Dunno about the Sept but Im pretty sure the Tau Government is centralised around the Ethereals
cunning wigeon
Kharadron are literally space dwarves
Kharadron my beloved super capitalists
storm jungle
Kharadron my beloved super capitalists
cunning wigeon
who also dont believe in magic despite literally living in the mortal realms - each a realm made from one type of magic
but hey cool steampunk guns and incredibly grimderp hyper capitalists are still sick
cerulean wagon
odd sparrow
if im readin it right they are kinda part of the imperium but not really
To me it sounds more like they're a fully independent entity
Admech is incorporated into the imperial hierarchy, leagues don't seem to be
cursive hull
I hope they're a separate entity.
Like
If memory serves, that was the lore for their original agreement
"We give you shitloads of raw materials and ally with you, you don't absorb us into your faction completely."
barren tapir
Yup
cursive hull
It is a bit funny that they literally are being introduced back in so far as "I died in pretend."
vast frigate
barren tapir
Wonder if we are gonna see some fancy Votann vs nids stuff id they keep the "nids ate them" thing
cerulean wagon
did no one check up on the core worlds at all?
cursive hull
I'm guessing the long winded answer will be something like "Some of us just hid so deep underground that the nids ate the planet and moved on without ever knowing we were there."
Or "We had spread out enclaves in places obscure and rebuilt until we were ready to return."
barren tapir
did no one check up on the core worlds at all?
Wouldn't surprise me, it is not as uncommon
cerulean wagon
they are keepin it blank, turns out it never happened and the squats just lied
and nobody bothered to check
literally "na we are fine we lied about being eaten"
barren tapir
Time to check the articles, i didn't saw that lol
cursive hull
Could have been a "They stopped responding to our communications. We assumed they died, but actually they just locked down so tight it seemed that way."
Shrug
barren tapir
Entire sectors get lost, either by a typo by a scribe and because people lose the cart with the warp route
cerulean wagon
ye but theres losing a sector, and then theres losing the squats, one of the few people within the imperium with technical knowledge
its like letting a sector of forgeworlds just slip away
someone would have noticed
barren tapir
Forge worlds that you don't control though
cursive hull
In fairness...
I can see how the Ad Mech might help bury the Squats.
Those two factions don't exactly match ideologically
barren tapir
In fairness...
I can see how the Ad Mech might *help* bury the Squats.
This too, although they were once close allies, in old lore i mean
cerulean wagon
the admech would want them dead to take their tech
not just let them go "oh ye we ded"
the admech would be like "sick time to go looting"
cursive hull
the admech would be like "sick time to go looting"
That's what I meant
Like, let them die.
Bury not as in hide, bury as in "We're not going to let anyone know you need help."
cerulean wagon
ye but if they go looting, which theyd do, they'd notice the squats arent dead
which aparently just
never happened
cursive hull
...The Ad mech admittedly have a poor track record with that sort of thing.
How many explorator teams have gone missing because they bumped into something they shouldn't again?
barren tapir
A lot lol
cursive hull
Or just, literally get lost in the warp and die somewheres
barren tapir
And Ad. Mech. also "lost" much info even about nids
cerulean wagon
okay but thats small teams in small locations and not
you know, an entire sector of space
barren tapir
And with lost i mean they get the data stored and forgot about it
cursive hull
Shrug
Its complicated
I'm sure they'll either ignore the issue or fix it. Probably the former rather than the latter.
barren tapir
I think they will state that the nids never actually reached the Votann worlds and it was a clerical error
cursive hull
It would be nice to get some boatmurdered level books about the Leagues, tbh.
barren tapir
Otherwise they would have also to change nids lore
cursive hull
(Boatmurdered as in, the legendary Dwarf Fortress game.)
barren tapir
To accomodate the wars between Votann and nids
barren tapir
I also hope there isn't gonna be a Votann vs eldar meme relationship
cerulean wagon
there will be
vast frigate
you know theres going to be countless ''YOU KNIFE EARED PIECE OF SHIT'' stacks
cerulean wagon
because dwarf RPers havent been capable of functioning for a decade now
barren tapir
I'm already kinda bummed that they have sculpted faces on their Votann like they were dwarfs from warhammer fantasy
cursive hull
Its kinda tricky there.
cerulean wagon
so far they have nothing unique
cerulean wagon
they look generic, they have whf dwarf faces
vast frigate
they even have the bog standard big blocky dwarven architecture and armor
cursive hull
Like... Too indistinct and suddenly you have people confusing them for Space Wolves or something.
barren tapir
they even have the bog standard big blocky dwarven architecture and armor
But with a high tech take on it, but ye, i also agree they are too similar to dwarfs of fantasy
Especially in this image
cerulean wagon
that image they just look like marines
ngl
which is just
if they get armour of contempt im gonna scream
cursive hull
The Imperium gave up and allied with them because their shit was so much better. It shouldn't look as Imperial.
barren tapir
If it wasn't for the little high tech things i would think it was fantasy
barren tapir
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/ak3AleqQ6Za7qypx....
Like, remove the bottom part with the tubes and boom, it is fantasy
cerulean wagon
na thats the thing carro, their shit was always imperial cause they are a sub faction of the imperium, ala halflings or ogryns
they are considered "human enough"
they have and always will use the same tech, which a bit more leaning towards the rarer stuff imperial wise
barren tapir
There is also the fact that they, being based on STC, could also look imperial, since they too are based on STC, but without the gothic part, which is just imperial
barren tapir
Yup, although they could solve the similarity with the parallel development thing
cerulean wagon
its just very generic scifi from what we have seen
cerulean wagon
which is a shame
cursive hull
Just make space dwarves visa vis DRG
barren tapir
https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/40k-Squats.png
The lower part of the armour remember me of the solar auxilia void suit
barren tapir
https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/grendl.jpg
See, i don't like this, i prefer the red haired one
cursive hull
I think they're just deliberately trying to push as far from the original "Biker" look the Squats had.
cerulean wagon
barren tapir
https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/grendl.jpg
This is just fantasy in wh40k, i wanted something really unique
cerulean wagon
the red head is a better model ye
but i like the like, padded jacket n stuff
having the squats come back as a more piecemeal faction could have been neat, where they are scraping themselves together again after the fall and using a bunch scrap gear
cursive hull
It would be kinda fun if the Leagues had a more... Well... Industrial, work equipment look.
Where their combat equipment and work equipment are entirely identical, so they sorta balance on that line more.
final spruce
I just hope we still get dem trains and bikers
storm jungle
they will absolutely include trains and bikes
thats the most easy nostalgia bucks you could make from customers
cerulean wagon
prob why they are dippin into the WHF aesthetic aswell
since WHF dwarves dont exist
vast frigate
The Imperium gave up and allied with them *because* their shit was so much bette...
except they are imperium but before imperium
its literally mankind's tech
boy what a surprise it looks alike
i want more uniqueness for them but it makes sense that their stuff looks alike
vast frigate
*lazy
worn fern
Also why do I feel this is just going to be another W for the imperium
During the time whe it's meant to be the darkest and hardest time due to the cicatrix
worn fern
Cicatrix out here saving the imperium
Damn, who would have guessed it just took spliting the imperium in half for it to sort itself out
I am just worried is all with the squats, as what is being discussed here, they aren't that akin to the imperium
Or o should say the Gothic look and weight
Or more the brutality of it, I feel it's missing, where these squats do just look straight out of DRG
Actually, even shinier then DRG
vast frigate
delectable
storm jungle
🦴
storm jungle
Actually, even shinier then DRG
Ironically yeah lmao
DRG dwarves are a lot more industrial/necromunda than these actual squats
vast frigate
we are still waiting, maybe this is just some art direction
but since GW 3d prints their models nowadays...
storm jungle
i say kill em all
vast frigate
i will become the new owner of GW
Leagues of Botanny, sorry guys
they are space hillbillies now
storm jungle
awful
odd sparrow
DRG dwarves are a lot more industrial/necromunda than these actual squats
yeah
dwarf stuff being so clean and like, consistent? uniformed? maybe i'd be fine with it if it was fantasy dwarves but it feels weirdly out of place for space dorfs
i think partially cus of DRG
storm jungle
Yeah im really curious if DRG had any effect on this at all
realistically i kinda doubt it
since the boomers that lead GW are out of touch af
might just be coincidental timing
cursive hull
I do think a DRG style look would be great.
dim totem
where are you getting 3 years?
atomic pelican
Thats avg gw plan-to-model timeline iirc
Most businesses plan their quarters wayyy in advance so
Ex) most 9e codices were likely drafted at about the same time too
dim totem
ah ok
i wouldnt put it beyond them to notice this is the first time dwarfs in space have had any relevance
then again i dont know how pop culture drg actually is
kinda doubt it
plush mason
muted shore
I mean there's somewhere over 1 million planets in the imperium iirc
cursive hull
Its kinda dumb to try and count the number of IG troopers in service
Its best to leave it at "Beyond counting" (Implying that the Imperium doesn't care enough to have an exact count, or is incapable of accurately counting to such a number given Imperial record keeping.) which is to say, a ton, where as the Orks have a fuckton and the Nids a shitton.
dim totem
I also wouldnt take a tiktokker with a bleached hair and a headbands word as gospel
On any subject
cursive hull
Now that I think about it, I wonder what the maximum potential count of the Necrons is?
It's gotta be really high.
dim totem
Dozens
signal hill
Now that I think about it, I wonder what the maximum potential count of the Necr...
Higher then eldarbor tau
storm jungle
I also wouldnt take a tiktokker with a bleached hair and a headbands word as gos...
Someone that speaks sense, thank you lmao
cunning wigeon
Yeah it's the same guy that said something like "regardless of however strong you think something in a fictional universe is, 40k has something that would beat it"
dim totem
idk
i kinda roll my eyes when star trek fandom starts the umpteenth discussion on whether new trek is bad or not
storm jungle
I mean thats in their own circle
dim totem
i imagine star wars is the same about legends and EU
storm jungle
its all fine as long as you arent being antagonistic towards other settings
dim totem
people do that?
dim totem
ah crap
cursive hull
Star Trek and Star Wars both do what you have described
dim totem
it is a way of life
storm jungle
Thats a mood
but yeah 40k fans do it a lot since everything in the universe is "OP"
when they dont realise other sci-fi factions got shit like that too lol
like how a single phaser normal star trek crewmen use would insta-kill most marines and whatnot
dim totem
yh i guess
cursive hull
Inb4 the Battletech setting comes in with the steel chair that is the setting during the height of the era of warships where planet glassing was the solution to literally every problem.
shadow plover
comparing settings is weird anyways, like yeah my hobbit could beat your halfling or someshit who cares touch grass
storm jungle
Yeah that too
dim totem
safe, reliable warp capability
storm jungle
they are all in their own bubble leave them be
cursive hull
Pretty much
Battletech doesn't make sense if you try to force it into the Star Wars or Star Trek settings, 40k doesn't make sense in the discworld setting, etc.
dim totem
what are the orher sci fi fandoms on that meme?
shadow plover
Mass Effect and maybe Starcraft?
dim totem
Ahhh yeah
cursive hull
Starcraft is definitely the one on the far left
storm jungle
Yeah i dont know the winged star one
dim totem
only played starcraft and that was ten years ago
storm jungle
only played starcraft and that was ten years ago
cursive hull
Its mass effect, apparently.
storm jungle
huh
shadow plover
the winged star is Mass Effect I think? The good/bad morality system symbol
cursive hull
The Renegade and... Whatever the other one was symbols put together
cursive hull
storm jungle
there it is
shadow plover
yee
dim totem
https://tenor.com/view/i-must-be-getting-old-pop-son-of-a-critch-102-im-aging-gi...
yes
very
is there even a starcraft fandom anymore
what have you done blizzard
you fools
barren tapir
The Renegade and... Whatever the other one was symbols put together
Renegade and paragon
proper helm
is there even a starcraft fandom anymore
There's a shockingly vibrant modding scene
(This stream bankrolled a lot of modders for their projects)
wicked granite
I probably won’t live to see Pandemonium
And if I do I’ll be so old I won’t remember any of the characters
Only took 10 years for penitent to come out after Pariah
dim totem
There's a shockingly vibrant modding scene
ah that's cool
wicked granite
10 years is too long to wait for anything man
proper helm
ah that's cool
It is! There's a whole "real scale" campaign for Wings of Liberty and Heart of the Swarm. Everything is at its lore size
with the implications for that
brittle nebula
The sizes are stupid sometimes. And it makes some of the missions more difficult because some of the units are easier to kill.
dim totem
Well the implication was being lorefriendly, not balanced
storm jungle
Only took 10 years for penitent to come out after Pariah
WHAT
shadow plover
well there was Magos inbetween there but yeah almost 10 years
worn fern
Yeah it's the same guy that said something like "regardless of however strong yo...
I always find this funny, as 40k as the setting is currently is the weakest the setting has been for a long time. And that is sort of the point, everyone is a fragment of what they once were
also whilst comparing and power levelling different settings against each other is fun
40k has a lot of leg work as the rules of the setting are so different to other settings
and you have to establish a lot of ground rules
open tangle
i like the comparison between the star trek federation and imperial navy, where sure in the first engagements the federation would be fucked, but then they have the ability to develop
worn fern
an interesting take on the fights of the navys is that most scifi setting have very standardized navy vessles
whilst 40k every ship is pretty much a unique piece of masterwork
where you could have 5 Lunar Class Cruisers, but each one decked out differently
open tangle
which is another example of 40k having no setting scale, because there would have to be millions if not billions of warp capable vessels in the imperial navy, especially if every time the black templars kill a psyker they blow up millions of ships
worn fern
well the imperial navy only makes up a small percent of all the ships in the Imperium
with the Chartist Fleets having most of them
but the Chartist vessels arent designed for war like the Navy is
the Navy has a lot of ships, and the thing that has to be taken into account is that Imperial ships can take an absolute beating
and then be put back together stronger than before
whilst in SW and ST, you just recycle the parts to make new ships
40k vs standard scifi in navy is veteran masterworks ships vs standardised factory lines
thats the interesting part to me, that Imperial navy doctrine is much more like convential ship combat
that you have most of your gunboats and cruiser to defend you big battleships
unborn iron
the last audio before the video ends, did someone find something it
it sounds like an arg code
unborn iron
we found something in the sound
care to send
twin shoal
care to send
Not my job check theory chat or talk to tyrus
dim totem
rude
storm jungle
To be fair ET, clicking to other channels and taking a link of a video is pretty hard
dim totem
yh im just bored talking shit nw
storm jungle
KILL
dim totem
MURDER
barren tapir
MAIM
dim totem
DEATH
real stone
Why are you all river doblin haters?
rose thorn
Are there any good non space marine or daemon nurgle followers?
I know there are a handful of cool humans among chaos, like ihhh what’s her name of the world eaters
But I barely hear about death guard cultists
cerulean wagon
thats because death guard is a chapter of space marines
upbeat arch
they have cultists
yeah i guess ive never heard of any significant death guard cultists
rose thorn
thats because death guard is a chapter of space marines
Or nurgle cultists in general I meant
lyric ember
I know there are a handful of cool humans among chaos, like ihhh what’s her name...
Lottara sarin?
rose thorn
Yeah
lament adder
Deamonculabra is it worth it
final spruce
No
storm jungle
No
lament adder
Oh yea
storm jungle
nobody wants to read about a woman's stomach being stretched and having men shoved into them
and then stapled back
storm jungle
Get em boys
storm jungle
final spruce
We'll show him how wholesome his murderous xenophobic transhumans are
lament adder
Then under that I guess as far as factions go orks because they are funny
I'm a tank I'm a tank I'm a tank I'm a tank I'm a tank
lyric ember
We'll show him how wholesome his murderous xenophobic transhumans are
Which ones
lament adder
Oi wut koind ov zoggin idiot colls imself blacktoof
lyric ember
The hottest space marines
lyric ember
Same
I need some more Ravenfield 40k mods
Theres like 2 people that make decent ones, and one of them doesn't do it anymore
lament adder
Every Warhammer 40K mod I could get my hands on except the eldar aspect warrior for fallout 4
And used it with whispering hills the creatures are chaos and must burn in holy fire
lyric ember
Aye aye
pure mirage
So what's your favorite chapters of astartes I like the salamanders
Lamenters is where it’s at.
lyric ember
So what's your favorite chapters of astartes I like the salamanders
exorcists
feral mortar
quick question for anyone who remembers squats, how much of the older lore/units would you like the Leagues to maintain?
lyric ember
T R A I N
rose thorn
TRAIN
lost scarab
nobody wants to read about a woman's stomach being stretched and having men shov...
If you think this is unecessary and gross, you need to stay away from commoragh.
storm jungle
Commorragh doesnt go beyond gore and like surface stuff torture
I dont want to read about women being abused and used as birthing vats sorry lol
lost scarab
You think that doesn't happen in commaragh?
That kind of stuff is kind of why we have slaanesh.
Bit of a weird perspective, but okay.
storm jungle
You think that doesn't happen in commaragh?
It might but it isnt brought up
it isnt weird
40k doesnt delve into sexual stuff for this reason lmao
lost scarab
How is that sexual?
The iron warriors are doing it for more warriors
it's not sexual at all.
storm jungle
lost scarab
you're adding connotations that do not exist.
AND AS FOR SEXUAL STUFF LOOOOL
HELLO DRUKHARI
SLAANESH IS CALLING
oh, I'm not getting aroused anymore... Let's try rape, or drugs, or both, with some torture...
oh fuck, we just all died.
big hole in space
cerulean wagon
okay but thats never covered in detail in books
where as they went out of their way to show the iron warriors stuff
lost scarab
It's 40k.
lost scarab
we're attracted to the obscenity of the setting.
cerulean wagon
its not even good
lost scarab
in your opinion.
cerulean wagon
no its generally considered some of the worst 40k literature
outside of the Dawn of War books
lost scarab
popularity does not mean it's a fact.
tepid tapir
Dawn of war had books?
plush mason
wtf
cerulean wagon
theres a reason you havent heard of them
lost scarab
you really don't like apostrophes do you?
plush mason
i feel bad for who ever had to write these books
shadow plover
don't
cerulean wagon
doesn't like my opinion
best thing he can think to say is complain about the way i write
aight
lost scarab
it's not a complaint.
it's an observation.
you don't need to turn it into a feud.
we can agree to disagree.
shadow plover
you're the one being overtly hostile here
storm jungle
But yeah nobody wants to read about sexual shit in 40k
Im fine with literally everything else in the setting as a girl too but I dont need unnecessary shit like daemonculaba in my life lmao
if you think writing stretched women being tortured through inflating wombs before being stitched back together is "peak 40k" then wew
vapid tiger
It's SO DARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it is SERIOUS BUSINESS
VERY DEEP LORE!
Look at this meaningless trivia!!!!!!! So deep!!!
cunning wigeon
mono serrated
barren tapir
Also the ammo numbers are weird... I feel like that even not being "sickle" magazine the 0.60 caliber one could have nearly the same amount of ammo because they are simply smaller, maybe not 30, but i can see it have 28
storm jungle
Look at this meaningless trivia!!!!!!! So deep!!!
BRUH MOMENT
also shoulder bolter my beloved
barren tapir
This remind me why because i stopped trying to look for weapons specifics in WH40K... GW cannot them justice
cunning wigeon
im sorry we're bri'ish, guns aren't our forte
making universes that are satirical spins on authoritarianism that people take too seriously is
barren tapir
Well, i don't think it is a bri'ish thing, Skele is british too, but he is quite knowledgeable... It is pleasant talking guns with him
vapid tiger
I mean based around how big the phobos rounds are I'd say visually about 10 rounds max
cerulean wagon
they just wanted to say 30 round sickle mag because of the AK lets be honest
lost scarab
if you think writing stretched women being tortured through inflating wombs befo...
Nothing should be off limits in 40k. That is the point of the setting.
vapid tiger
I mean I think boltguns being these semi automatic low capacity weapons with gigantic rounds would be neat and better convey how powerful they are but okay geedubs sure 30 rounds
atomic pelican
Its a funny scifi setting who's primary target audience for the longest time was middle school boys
Its not some grand art work
It doesnt have, nor does it need, such subjects
lost scarab
You think it doesn't, yes.
cerulean wagon
also like
lost scarab
There is no need for ad hominem.
atomic pelican
Please, this isnt high school debate club, making fun of you gives me a giggle
vapid tiger
Its not some grand art work
Correct
40k is dumb and silly
This is why I still enjoy it as an adult
Though in high school I took it more seriously because as an edgy high school kid I was in the primary demographic
atomic pelican
LMAO yee
vapid tiger
I think the daemonculaba was just Graham Mcneil trying to think of the most ridiculously cruel and evil thing imaginable for the iron warriors to do
Partially as a laugh and partially to make the reader hate them in that novel
Because it sounds like something you'd see played as a really dark joke in athf
atomic pelican
Actually apparently not
He's 50 now, and Dead Sky was written in like 2004
So that's embarassing
Man was in his 30s writing that garbage
cerulean wagon
ouch
vapid tiger
This is why I prefer abnett and adb novels
See they're AWARE that they're writing trash and make it not-trash
atomic pelican
The only BL I've ever liked was Andy Chambers and that was like 4 books
vapid tiger
Josh Reynolds is also p good
atomic pelican
Mostly because I don't really care for Imperial books tho so
vapid tiger
Or was
atomic pelican
Oh yes of course
vapid tiger
Until he left
vapid tiger
Yeah
vapid tiger
Man single handedly made AoS good
atomic pelican
Legit
Whenever I complain about GW/BL It's usually in reference to 40k because GW/BL actually does, imo, pretty much perfectly to my standards for AoS
cerulean wagon
i think the issue is when they do like
smaller factions
they give it a single author to test the waters almost
and its almost always someone dreadful
vapid tiger
Salamanders have never had a good book because their designated author is boring
cerulean wagon
they are marines
lost scarab
Eh, I suppose you are right.
barren tapir
Feth
lyric ember
40k is supposed to be grim but also no swearing, curse words are bad
Reminds me of that one star wars novel where the author decided that "festering" was a profanity in star wars so we got the amazing term of "festering jizz box"
plucky moth
good lord lmao
slow prawn
You were supposed to destroy profanity, not join it!
grand minnow
rose thorn
||It always was||
Lmao
plush mason
we call it grimderp for a reason
tender igloo
cool art
errant yacht
As an owner of the Imperial Infantryman's Handbook, I can't help but mention that there's no punishments being mentioned regarding the stealing of xenos firearms. Is this the Departmento Munitorum's way of acknowledging how bad the Lasgun is, that your average guardsman is better off stealing guns from a dead Guardian or Fire Warrior?
storm jungle
The lasgun isnt bad
and the Handbook is more of a joke/prank book tbh
theres a reason nobody in-universe takes it seriously
and also literally at one point uses it as toilet paper
errant yacht
Apparently, even the Departmento Munitorum doesn't think highly of the lasgun. I think this is the 11th time i've re-read Part 4 Section 3 of the first half of the handbook
cursive hull
^
storm jungle
Tabletop memes and fans overplay it
again the entire point of the handybook is to be a parody of WW1-2 era handybooks
where they outright lie to you
as to not damage morale
and of course it does the opposite thing and just gets soldiers killed
errant yacht
I'm pretty sure that if a guardsman still has his original lasgun and laspistol, there aren't any grounds for a guardsman's commissar to punish said guardsman if he also happens to have gained a Tau pulse rifle off a fresh corpse.
cursive hull
The Lasgun is a logistical masterpiece.
It's also deadly against human sized opponents with short bursts or even single shots and larger opponents (with sustained fire.)
Look at it this way
A Guardsman can recharge the battery packs his lasgun runs on in many ways
He's sol if the gun he picked up off a T'au firewarrior runs out of juice
storm jungle
Yeah Carro but muh flashlight memes 🔦
storm jungle
I'm pretty sure that if a guardsman still has his original lasgun and laspistol,...
Depends on the Commissar
cursive hull
(And probably can't even figure out how the fucking thing works tbh)
storm jungle
some will shoot you some will allow it but tell you to toss it later
cursive hull
The Imperials are very suspicious of unfamiliar tech
storm jungle
That too
errant yacht
I'm sure if a commissar were to execute a guardsman for looting a corpse, he'd probably be demoted to a lowly guardsman over charges of wasting ammunition.
cursive hull
He's not "Wasting munitions"
storm jungle
That yeah lmao
errant yacht
And some might want that lictor sushi dinner, and might snitch on his fellow commissar just to have something better than corpse starch
storm jungle
I mean
whos gonna listen to a guardsman
the commissar has more authority
military politics run deep
errant yacht
If a commissar saw another commissar waste ammunition just to punish a guardsman over a nonexistent rule, he could snitch on his buddy.
cursive hull
He can even just shoot the guardsman for spreading "Malicious, morale damaging lies."
storm jungle
Kinda
storm jungle
Yeah this is basically all assumptions.
scenic bolt
errant yacht
I feel like the Munitorum low-key encourages the looting of alien corpses. You shouldn't loot from a Chaos cultist for obvious reasons but for most intents and purposes, you'll probably want something that's better at shooting through the thick skin of an Ork than the Lasgun.
cursive hull
Again
You are thinking of this in... A very strange way
You know why real armies don't loot kit off of dead foes?
Because then it makes you look like the enemy
storm jungle
Lmao that too
Imperial dogma against using enemy weapons is still incredibly strict
you fellow guardsmen will probably judge and report you for it too
errant yacht
Because then it makes you look like the enemy
You'd still look human if you managed to steal something off a nonhuman. And i'm not seeing any actual grounds where corpse looting is punishable. Hence, why I'm wondering if the lack of punishments is the Munitorum acknowledging the lackluster equipment of most guardsmen.
storm jungle
Again
the Imperial departments do not care
they do their duties and thats it
human life is cheap
they wont go out of their way to warn you about these things
cursive hull
And this is all under the assumption you'd even bother to pick up a non-imperial weapon anyway.
As a Guardsman you would be entirely convinced that anything you aren't trained in the use and maintenance of might detonate in your face. You don't know the rites of repair for it, you don't know any of the things you might know about a lasgun.
Machine spirits are pretty common knowledge.
A human in the 40k setting is afraid to use a light switch without intoning the proper rites of activation
scenic bolt
you're trained on a lasgun you're not trained on a shuriken catapult
errant yacht
A shuriken catapult has a pistol grip, trigger, and foregrip. I think that's all a guardsman needs to know about using an eldar weapon.
cursive hull
There are a billion reasons why you simply wouldn't bother.
Why departments of Imperial governance and military command wouldn't care.
storm jungle
A shuriken catapult has a pistol grip, trigger, and foregrip. I think that's all...
Eldar weapons are psychically attuned to their users
when any non-eldar grab them its wonky and off-center
cursive hull
And again
...It'll run out of ammo and the Guardsman won't know how to reload it
And probably can't even if he did
storm jungle
Yeah like
the lasgun is a good weapon
thats it lmao
the guardsman can just get issued with other imperial firearms too
its really not a big deal
scenic bolt
in desperation you may use an enemy weapon but you're not looking to equip yourself with it in any permanent capacity
errant yacht
They have a physical trigger out of the expectation that someone will nullify their psychic abilities. The magazine release is the only psychically controlled part of a shuriken catapult.
storm jungle
Just because it has a physical trigger doesnt mean its instantly usable
scenic bolt
only section that actually can and does use xenos weapons is the inquisition
storm jungle
only section that actually can and does use xenos weapons is the inquisition
Also this
theres official inq models with alien guns
cursive hull
Well, excepting Ork weaponry.
vapid tiger
Do gauss flayers have triggers
cursive hull
Your average Guardsman probably can't even lift a shoota
vapid tiger
I mean there's examples of guardsmen picking up and using ork weapons with success
errant yacht
Your average Guardsman probably can't even lift a shoota
No, but a Tau pulse rifle might be something suitable for his weight class.
cursive hull
I mean there's examples of guardsmen picking up and using ork weapons with succe...
Depends on the waaagh field and how powerful it is.
Or, perhaps more accurately, if the weapon was actually built in a functional manner to begin with
Depends on the Shoota
vapid tiger
Pulse rifles are mentioned as being frequently looted by guardsmen for being superior weapons
Though if caught they get punished for having them
storm jungle
cursive hull
I think you're confusing the Wehrmacht and the PPSH with Guardsmen and a Pulse rifle.
cerulean wagon
this another lasgun hate thread?
vapid tiger
Depends on the waaagh field and how powerful it is.
Or, perhaps more accurately...
Depends on the shoota, but most ork tech works on its own, the field just keeps it from being all unreliable junk
storm jungle
this another lasgun hate thread?
Tbh no idea
we all started from the Imperial Guardsman Handybook thing
cursive hull
The Imperial Guardsman's uplifting primer.
storm jungle
that thingy yeah
cerulean wagon
oh that garbage
storm jungle
LOL
cursive hull
...Now that I think about it, what would even be the situation in which a Guardsman would need to pick up a Pulse weapon?
errant yacht
Pulse rifles are mentioned as being frequently looted by guardsmen for being sup...
I ask again on what grounds can they be punished for having one. Cuz if the Guardsman can somehow carry his stolen weapon on top of his original kit, then he's clean as far as the handy dandy guidebook is concerned.
cursive hull
Presuming they've run themselves entirely out of ammo
storm jungle
I ask again on what grounds can they be punished for having one. Cuz if the Guar...
ıts xeno tech
Xenos are bad
cursive hull
Just charge into melee combat
Pounding T'au in melee isn't that hard when you have a bayonet.
storm jungle
The average imperial is brought up from childhood to be a massive racist
storm jungle
LOL
but yeah
Xenostech might be good
Dont get caught
Most xenos guns wont work for you
thats it
Its literally a call of duty thing of "Use the gun then toss it once you are done"
cerulean wagon
I ask again on what grounds can they be punished for having one. Cuz if the Guar...
on religious grounds
cursive hull
Your gun running out of ammo or suffering a malfunction is so improbable its more likely you'll fucking die first.
scenic bolt
only reason inquisition can get away with it is 1) they actually study it, 2) who's gonna narc on em
cerulean wagon
any follower of the imperial creed will burn you alive
storm jungle
only reason inquisition can get away with it is 1) they actually study it, 2) wh...
Also slap some purity seals on it, BOOM
errant yacht
Actually, I think newer pieces of artwork depict a physical trigger on Gauss Flayers.
cursive hull
Don't Necrons phase out typically after destruction?
With their weaponry?
vapid tiger
I ask again on what grounds can they be punished for having one. Cuz if the Guar...
Xenotech is considered tech heresy
errant yacht
So if a guardsman can somehow take down a necron warrior, they'd have to be crazy to NOT steal the man-portable death laser
cursive hull
So its entirely impossible for you to get a Gauss flayer in the first place.
storm jungle
So if a guardsman can somehow take down a necron warrior, they'd have to be craz...
They cant
as Caro said
vapid tiger
So if a guardsman can somehow take down a necron warrior, they'd have to be craz...
Small issue
storm jungle
when you kill a warrior
cursive hull
So if a guardsman can somehow take down a necron warrior, they'd have to be craz...
It phases out when the Necron dies
cerulean wagon
that and its unknown technology, its not like just picking up a new gun
cursive hull
besides, I don't think you want to be physically touching anything phasing out, just to be safe.
cerulean wagon
its like picking up "wtf is this thing and how does it work?"
cursive hull
that and its unknown technology, its not like just picking up a new gun
We've attempted to establish this multiple times
cerulean wagon
which is a waste of time when you need to currently be shooting
cursive hull
Apparently "Has trigger" is all you need to know
storm jungle
Bro cant believe Im gonna get fuckign atomized while trying to lift a flayer-gun
which is probably like heavier than a weightlifter
plucky moth
Just use lasgun
cursive hull
RIFLE IS FINE COMRADE
vapid tiger
When you barely understand how exactly the lasgun works outside of how to strip, repair and fire it then trying to understand how an alien gun works is going to be very difficult
scenic bolt
theres a difference between say using an ak vs an m16 and only having ever used a crossbow your whole life and being handed a blackpowder musket
storm jungle
That too
I know crossbow usage only from like video games and movies
im not an expert at it
lmao
plucky moth
NYET RIFLE IS FINE
cursive hull
Its especially different if that crossbow is an actual medieval model
Good luck pal.
cursive hull
TLDR: The Lasgun is a good weapon
plucky moth
Crossbows are pretty easy to use, only hard part is drawing it if you don’t have a tool for it and it’s something insane like 450lbs
cursive hull
This was mentioned, dw
frosty cobalt
This was mentioned, dw
Lol i just got iff work. btw pulse small arns are better in most ways
Lov me some good war realism with logistics and acquisitions
TTB did a great vid with all that recently
But u prolly know that carro
final spruce
War realism is kind of scarce in 40k outside of Guard
vapid tiger
With one statement, Zherlum angered many a manchild
They hated him for telling the truth
frosty cobalt
If tau did war realism, the game wouldnt be fun
odd sparrow
Tau are the only other one that incorporates it much, but that's like. modern warfare with computers and drone strikes and stuff
quite different to IG
upbeat arch
Anyboby read the new Huron Blackheart book?
proper helm
quite different to IG
Which is the "die crying in a trench having never actually even seen the enemy" brand of it
odd sparrow
correct
alpine ingot
I see I missed the las gun debate
vast frigate
there is no debate
alpine ingot
Well... the debate is the alternative worth the potential bolt round to the forehead or the weekend trip to the servitor factory. And the answer is usually no.
crisp badger
Omg I cant wait for this game
storm jungle
Yes
final spruce
Well... the debate is the alternative worth the potential bolt round to the fore...
There isnt much debate, the lasgun is a servicable anti-infantry weapon with many a logistical boon that does the job.
That is shown both in the tabletop, the RPGs and the books
worn fern
You know what I want to see in 40k? Las charger Servitors
in the sense that Hotshot lasguns empty their charge packs instantly, or very fast depending on the source
so why not have a servitor like machine that will walk around with a big power pack in it and loads of charge pack ports
so you can keep high powered las lines up, with this big battery behind you
or, have it that wires could come out of the servitor and plug directly into the lasgun
that just seems really cool to me, having like 10 gaurdsmen with heavy charging wires coming out of their guns hooked up to a walking battery
storm jungle
I mean it sounds good on paper until your enemy notices it and smashes it
its the same as those big dog robots that are suppose to carry ammo for IRL troops looking wonky af
worn fern
easy, just dont give up the line
I can imagine a Gaurd story about this, where certain fronts get the ammo servitors
and the Gaurdsmen sorta know that if they have the servitors, then the line is intended to hold and if they dont, well, they are the acceptable losses
of course its easier to just have a dedicated ammo carrier, but thats just too easy
lyric ember
So, like the military formations from World War Z? (Book, not movie)
Interesting concept i suppose
final spruce
so why not have a servitor like machine that will walk around with a big power p...
Because the hotshot dont really work as well as a frontline weapon because of their habit of overheating, ammo being heavier and maintenance being worse
hardy copper
alpine ingot
There isnt much debate, the lasgun is a servicable anti-infantry weapon with man...
Debate was more then likely the wrong word to even use in my initial comment, since I was eluding to the whole "lasgun is actually a really good weapon, stop believing all the memes." Bit that was going on when someone asked why didn't guardsmen just use xeno weapons if the lasgun was so shit in comparison. Personally I love the concept of the lasgun as it is far less complicated in terms of remembering different power pack sizes than to think about all the different 9mm rounds we have in the real world.
final spruce
Debate was more then likely the wrong word to even use in my initial comment, si...
I mean the answer is simple, its the Imperium and even if the Guard are far more utilitarian than other factions, they are also among the religious ones since that's how you get executed.
atomic pelican
That and xeno weapons arent exactly just laying around to grab
They usually have people holding them who are happy to demonstrate their galactic 2nd amendment
alpine ingot
pretty much the Dark Eldar anyone tries to invade the dark city lmao
atomic pelican
Retalliation against a offender is not just expected, but is infact law under Vect
Rule of Retalliation or smthing like that iirc
alpine ingot
Tau try to preach the good word, but when that fails and their sept worlds are invaded they unleash the flying roombas of doom
bright anvil
Hey I was wondering something. How did humanity not encounter the necrons prior to the imperium
storm jungle
To be completely honest we dont know