40k-lore-chat

[shadow plover]

and that's just a warlord

[brittle nebula]

dang the size difference is more then i thought

[plush mason]

warlords are the 3rd biggest titan in the imperium...

[shadow plover]

warlord in the foreground, imperator in the back

[lyric ember]

This makes my cogs turn

[brittle nebula]

wait I thought the emperor class is the 1st largest. if you dont count that massive super titan that turned chaos and was destroyed

[shadow plover]

yes it is, Warmaster titan is in between the two

[plush mason]

how the fuck can an emperor class look over those battlements?

[shadow plover]

what do you mean

[brittle nebula]

warmaster titan? never heard of that class

[shadow plover]

it's a relatively new one

for us that is

[brittle nebula]

one word GW

[shadow plover]

warmaster in the back

[plush mason]

yup

[brittle nebula]

hmmm ive never heard or seen that class

[plush mason]

its "new" meaning it was kept a secret

[shadow plover]

the models were released maybe two years back

[brittle nebula]

typical

[plush mason]

one of the forgeworlds that made them was getting its ass kicked and was forced to reveal them to survive

[lyric ember]

And thats a knight in the front right?

[shadow plover]

yes

[plush mason]

yup

[lyric ember]

And knights are like 40 ft tall right?

[plush mason]

30 to 40 yes

the warhound is 60

[shadow plover]

(what the fuck is a feet)

but yes

[lyric ember]

Thats mind boggling

[brittle nebula]

emperor class is small

[plush mason]

150 meters at most

[lyric ember]

Sorry, 10-13 meters

[shadow plover]

[lyric ember]

I believe is about the right conversion

[shadow plover]

ye close enough

[plush mason]

and yet the emperor has 12 void shield generators

[lyric ember]

Which are capital ship grade right?

[plush mason]

so called but the mile long emperor class battleship only has one kekw

ofc the navy uses a vastly bigger and better version

[lyric ember]

Mhm

[brittle nebula]

question what kind of melee weapons do the Necrons have.

[plush mason]

a lot

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Necron_Weaponry_(List)

[brittle nebula]

thx

[storm jungle]

Np

its mainly swords and spears

but they got a lot of unique effects

[brittle nebula]

thats what i want

[storm jungle]

Yeee

the melee weapons are at the top of the list

go nuts

[plush mason]

and glaives 🙂

[storm jungle]

TRU

Egypt Moment

⚔️

[plush mason]

like deadass the only reason i want the new chaos gate game is for the force glaive

[brittle nebula]

how does a warscythe sound for Omen (that is what I'm calling the Necron iron giant)

[storm jungle]

Works for me chief

big and swingy

[brittle nebula]

This is what i got so far

I'm still working on this but I think I'm doing good so far.

[vast frigate]

i love how the emperor class stuff gets so many void shields

and in the horus heresy trailer we see a single shot annihilate it

because orbital memes

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/vodyani-endless-space2-core-cracker-orbital-cannon-gif-20109196

Yes

[vast frigate]

ignite the gas giant

[brittle nebula]

make it the bomb

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[brittle nebula]

I just had a world ending idea. What if Omen could use the essence of a ctan and become a massive ctan.

https://tenor.com/view/omg-ohmygod-realization-suddenrealization-woah-gif-5806250

I’m going to do it.

[brittle nebula]

On second thought. I’ll have its use the power of a ctan shard to turn into a near energy form that makes it like an archon from StarCraft.

[prisma lark]

sounds like the Ythotha from Supreme Commander

[brittle nebula]

Who? I’m not familiar with the first one.

Ah I see the similarities

[prisma lark]

basically a giant mecha, that releases a super powerful (but short-lived) energy being when destroyed

[brittle nebula]

I see

[prisma lark]

that attacks everything in sight, friend of foe

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/archon-starcraft2-protoss-power-overwhelming-powerful-psionic-attacker-gif-20368265

Hmm what I’m thinking of will be more controlled.

The form will probably look a lot like a chronomancer but much much larger and more energy like.

[cerulean wagon]

sup com was the best rts

[brittle nebula]

I play the second still can’t get enough of it.

[rose thorn]

which chaos legion do you think needs new leadership or should come back into power?

a large handful are just

lost and traveling at random

Hell the world eaters have stronger leadership then the night lords

i think emperors children should have a new character!

to take charge

[plush mason]

no they should all jump into a blackhole

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-you-dare-dont-dont-do-it-the-office-michael-scott-gif-14178027

[rose thorn]

disagreed black legion should g o in a black hole

[plush mason]

them too

[rose thorn]

i think maybe some character who is attempting to take all the pride and glory form both fulgrim and lucius

so he is rallying up an army, it would be fitting

they aer collpase onthem selves again

[plush mason]

rylanor already took fulgrim's pride and lucius has never had glory

[rose thorn]

lmao

fulgrim is sulking in his sex hottube

[plush mason]

yup

[rose thorn]

so maybe at least trying to rally for his attention

or 'no fuck you fulgrim isnt good enough to be a daemon primarch, make me the snake daddy slaanesh'

in lore emperors children liek

went ona fucking frenzy and caused alot of damage when fulgrim came back to deal with rylanor and cuased alot of damage

so they aer strong enough to cause damage

[crisp heath]

Word

[rose thorn]

its just they are two busy not fucking doing anything and being a lazy bitch chapter

[storm jungle]

No lmao

its because the writers have no use for them

tell me the last time you heard of the Night Lords ever doing anything useful

[rose thorn]

in their books

[storm jungle]

they are basically footnote legions nobody really cares about

[storm jungle]

Their books are earlier periods

Night Lords havent been prevalent ever since Konrad bit the dust

[rose thorn]

fuck

[storm jungle]

[plush mason]

not much you can do with a legion of drug/sex addicts who's leaders are 1 an emo snake bitch boi or 2 a fucking failure that wins fights by dying

[storm jungle]

I mean again

you can

Its just that the writers dont really care to commit to it lol

[rose thorn]

counter argument

world eaters

[storm jungle]

oh you mean stormtroopers but chaos

[plush mason]

i cant blame them

[storm jungle]

with 0 character

minus Kharn

because he punches people

[rose thorn]

exactly

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/necrom-lord-warhammer40k-gg-playing-gif-16303912

I like watching this conversation

[plush mason]

nah the world eaters can actually shoot sometimes

[storm jungle]

Good point

💀

but yeah its the same as how in every Blood Angels story

[plush mason]

damn stormtroopers cant even hit the side of a damn emperor class titan

[storm jungle]

there has to be some dumb fucking subplot

about the black rage

or whatever the fuck

because most BL writers are creatively bankrupt

[plush mason]

lol

[rose thorn]

i think if the emperors children just get a new character they could be super cool!

alot of people like the night lords

eand they are space bandits atm

[storm jungle]

Yeah its more that they arent that critical in lore

i like them too

but like

ALL THEY DO

IS SHOW UP

FLAY PEOPLE

[brittle nebula]

Yes all we need is another snake boy

[storm jungle]

AND DO NOTHING ELSE

and usually get shot

it becomes boring after the 1000th time

[rose thorn]

achem

imperial fists show up, build a wall, get shot, win

[storm jungle]

they suffer greatly from having 0 character after the Heresy

also that too

a lot of the loyalist legions suck just as much lmao

[atomic pelican]

marine syndrome

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

characters hard carry legions tbh

[cerulean wagon]

marines suck

just do lore for other factions plz

[rose thorn]

Fabius is an AMAZINGG CHARACTER

[crisp heath]

Just let people enjoy their army 😦

[rose thorn]

who

doesnt

like his legion

and is bascially his own thing

[storm jungle]

This one is true

Fabius is so cool

[rose thorn]

HES SO COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[storm jungle]

people forget he's even Emperors Children

even himself

[rose thorn]

yeah lmao

[storm jungle]

hes a boomer that just wants to do evil experiments

leave him be

[grim spindle]

Fabius telling the Chaos Gods they don't exist to their faces was the absolute chaddest of moves.

[rose thorn]

if he was in charge of the emperors children evryone would fucking love emperorsc chidlren

[plush mason]

he stopped caring about that before the heresy lol

[rose thorn]

but hes the opposite of emperors children in general tbh

i mean

not really

hes alot more uhhh

fucking sane

[storm jungle]

That was just Slaanesh

and he almost died

so

[rose thorn]

and isnt in a spiral of depression

[storm jungle]

like us

[grim spindle]

Still, that takes some real nuts on his part. Even though Slannesh probably loves Bile lowkey

[rose thorn]

not really

he is weird

he has the ambition

just not

whats the term

okay so the avegrae noise marine gets trapped in a loop of pride and depression in any desperate attempt to get the attention of their god

and try to fill thier depression hole iwth drugs sex murder self mutilation

bile wanst to make the perfect human

which would kidna fuck over slaanehs

[cerulean wagon]

not really

slaanesh is about obssession

and he is obssessed with achieving the perfect human biology

[rose thorn]

its one of the things

[cerulean wagon]

even if he never achieves it, it still feeds slaanesh

[plush mason]

i still love that he flat out told slaanesh it wasnt worth worshiping

[rose thorn]

I’m pretty sure he still has some bullshit that makes him immune to feeding Slaanesh

[brittle nebula]

Which one of these named C’tan are stronger, the Nightbringer, the Deceiver, or the Void Dragon?

Or are all kind of the same?

[cerulean wagon]

ur mum

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/death-stare-black-snake-moan-samuel-l-jackson-shocked-wide-eye-gif-14648637

[cerulean wagon]

[storm jungle]

All of them are one in the same

its more up to how they use their powers

[brittle nebula]

Ok

[storm jungle]

its why the Deciever was clever enough to not face other C'tan when they turned on each other

etc etc

[brittle nebula]

I see

[rose thorn]

Who’s that ctan that just fucking hides on the edge of galaxy

[brittle nebula]

I heard of that one I think. I don’t know his name though.

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tsara'noga

[atomic pelican]

Another victim of intense trolling

[storm jungle]

literally just

"Lmao, kill your friends."

"Ok clown-man."

[atomic pelican]

YOU SHOULD MADDEN YOURSELF

NOW

[storm jungle]

[brittle nebula]

The Baneblade was a scout tank.

[storm jungle]

Nah.

Fan myth.

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/a30-gif-21038048

Dang I thought saying that would get someone here quite quickly.

[storm jungle]

[brittle nebula]

That is doubtful. Golden age technology was on par or even beyond Necron tech. Let’s see there was world eating nano bots, dark hole weapons (I think) even titans that broke the atmosphere. I would definitely think they had something better then a Baneblade.

Check that beyond a Baneblade

[storm jungle]

Yeah but nowhere in lore does it say it was a scout tank.

Thats why I said it.

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monkeys-disappointed-tired-af-tired-gif-18385092

But it is highly probable it was.

[cerulean wagon]

its entirely not possible because itd make a shit scout vehicle

[storm jungle]

Ngl thats the first time i heard this and its a good point

[broken bridge]

baneblade going on its first scouting mission

"sir we scouted the enemy position thoroughly"
"and what did you find"
"dead men"

[storm jungle]

LOL

[real stone]

https://youtu.be/73zK-PjmyKY

This

Literally this

But not battletech

[broken bridge]

lmao

[real stone]

I kicked an orphanage into the river, I do not feel bad. They were Capellens.

[brittle nebula]

You have wasted potential pariah candidates for my Dynasty.

[plush mason]

terminator armor was a mining suit

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[plush mason]

https://youtu.be/dHqJ33scfQw?t=655

[crisp heath]

are higher ups of the imperium aware that cawl is not really human anymore?

[storm jungle]

I mean

hes the size of a van

so yes

or do you mean the mind-transfer stuff

[crisp heath]

Yes. Because, if you can believe the wiki, there is not much brain or organic stuff

[storm jungle]

Hes still technically human with the fleshy parts

but nah i dont think anyone minus Guilliman knows

its not exactly a big deal either

its not like hes an AI or something

[crisp heath]

👀

[storm jungle]

Hes not

lmao

I was using it as an example since what he does might be heretical to the admech but he really cant let all the knowledge he has go to waste

what hes doing is basically buying a new PC every time his last one explodes

and re-inserting the past ones memory card

[crisp heath]

But technically he is a robot.. kinda?

[storm jungle]

Nah

He's human

[crisp heath]

I mean, he has one normal arm left

[storm jungle]

He has a face still

[shadow plover]

Duck face

[storm jungle]

Quack

[crisp heath]

Is there something like fake flesh? 🤔 This guy moves on a very slim line

[storm jungle]

Admech in a nutshell

Cawl's humanity has long since been stripped away. He maintains different "files" of personalities, which he accesses depending on the situation. By the end of the Indomitus Crusade, Cawl had artificially replicated his own sentience to the point where he could no longer said to be a single individual. Cawl kept each "Sub-Cawl" limited to prevent the core intelligence from being threatened. Aboard his Ark Mechanicus Zar-Quaesitor dozens of sub-cawls swarm about, each undertaking a different task.[7]

Cawl has a number of other creations used to aid him, such as Alpha Primus and Qvo.

when in doubt just read the lexi

[crisp heath]

So he is like Astro Boy?

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

by man is just hopping

[crisp heath]

I'm cool with that tbh

[shadow plover]

Which Cawl books are worth going through? Scythes?

[storm jungle]

Uhh 1 sec

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/6/65/GreatWork.jpg

Mainly this

gives Cawl a lot of personality

hes also SURPRISINGLY a really fun character

and giddy

[shadow plover]

ye that's the one I meant with Scythes [of the Emperor]

[crisp heath]

really?

[storm jungle]

Yeah its amazing

I thought he was some faceless techpriest

but whenever that Marine or anyone else asks him stuff

hes like

OH LET ME EXPLAIN, I LOVE THIS PART.

[crisp heath]

maybe i take a read after i finish my 40k crime book

[storm jungle]

Yeah i 100% recommend

[shadow plover]

he was alright in Dark Imperium at least what I can remember

[storm jungle]

Yeah hes more of a side-character in that too

this novel is him at the frontlines

so he gets explored immensely

[shadow plover]

he was also pretty interesting in the HH book(s) he appeared in iirc

[plush mason]

mofo bigger than a damn space marine

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah Cawl is fucking giant

[storm jungle]

Wolfsbane!

i think thats when hes still a human too

[shadow plover]

yeh that's the one

yeah

he was just starting his career

[storm jungle]

my man gained a dump-truck ass after that

[shadow plover]

started lifting

[storm jungle]

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BGkAAOSwA4BbKGvT/s-l300.jpg

true true

[plush mason]

wtf kind of gun is that?

[shadow plover]

Solar Atomiser

[plush mason]

wait is that the weird ray gun then he made?

[crisp heath]

YOOOOO, WAIT

what's that little buddy in front of him?

Why Fren shaped?

[shadow plover]

beefed up melta

[storm jungle]

looks like just a cosmetic thing

or more like just a "feeler" hand

[crisp heath]

No, it's fren now. I will brake in his private rooms AND PAT IT

[shadow plover]

he really looks like a proper pain to paint

[storm jungle]

Absolutely lmao

he has so many fucking parts

LIKE JESUS CHRIST

I love his model but it definitely looks like a junkyard explosion

[shadow plover]

tentacles and such spindly things are always a pain and that many just kills a man

[crisp heath]

And not to forget, this mad lad

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/YuugysCosplay-Belisarius-Claw-Cosplay-5.jpeg

[shadow plover]

he really brought a book shoe

[vapid tiger]

Inauthentic

This man is not the size of a leman russ tank

[marsh grail]

Is that how big he actually is?

[storm jungle]

A regular human comes up to there for a Marine

so I actually think Cawl at least height wise could tap the top of a Russ

[vapid tiger]

He's about the size of a carnifex

Apparently when he was first designed the mini designers intended him to be the fabricator general but when the writers got the design they changed it to him just being a very old archamgos

"Because we imagine the fabricator general being the size of a hab-block"

So apparently he's not even the biggest techpriest, the fabricator general of mars is apparently titan-sized

[plush mason]

lol really?

[vapid tiger]

Yes

[barren tapir]

That is a really dumb thing i dislike about the design

The bigger you are the higher in status you are... Such a BS

Also, iirc the current fabricator general is that hab block size

[atomic pelican]

Imperial rank is based wholly on size

Thus the primarchs

[vapid tiger]

Ogre logic

[barren tapir]

I see, it seems that the beasts won the war in the end

[vapid tiger]

The high lords of terra are actually all ogre tyrants from fantasy and rule based on size

[proper helm]

I'm like 90% for the Fabricator General most of that bulk is processing power related

[vapid tiger]

why this goofy mfer not painted in camo if he's supposed to be stealthy

idc if it's goofy 40k camo even just give him some camo

Even the 1st ed marines had (goofy) camo

[barren tapir]

You clearly haven't read the codex astartes, it has a part where it say that hiding your colour is not honourable, and that the enemy should see who they are facing so to despair or something like that...

[vapid tiger]

BUT THE VANGUARD MARINES ARE NOT IN THE CODEX ASTARTES GRRRG

[barren tapir]

Ah ah, big G actually changed it to include them, and i'm not joking

[vapid tiger]

he did yes

BUT HOW CAN THEY STEALTH IN BRIGHT BLUE

AND GOLD

do they tiptoe???

[barren tapir]

How can a raven guard in full power armour be sneaky?

How can a SM in general, be sneaky?

[vapid tiger]

well not through sound but through distance

I'm less likely to see the black armored marine at night than the bright yellow one

[barren tapir]

During night you will hardly see a difference if the night is pitch black

[vapid tiger]

I'm less likely to see the marine in the forest whose armor is painted in forest camo than the one wearing bright ultramarine blue

i mean i could still possibly notice the former

But it's gonna be slightly more difficult

and if you've played any shooter that's even a little bit sim you know how difficult it is to see people in camo from a distance even if they're out in the open

[barren tapir]

Although at night you could see some omnious red light in the distance according on how SM eyeslits are portrayed

🤣

[vapid tiger]

Tbf in they can have black eye slits

[barren tapir]

I did, and even in person, they can be hard to see even if mono colour, as long it is not too bright and not blending

[vapid tiger]

anyway james workshop cannot convince me these guys are somehow infiltrating

Unless their colors are toned down idk

[barren tapir]

Well, you see... I have nothing to say about this

[vapid tiger]

i mean maybe adb will include them in the spears sequel and write that they're actually incredibly bad at stealth who knows

[barren tapir]

They are the vanguard type of things right?

They have the m'lady guy who use warp sheanigans to hide them probably

[open tangle]

did you see me?

Yeah... you are bright blue...

Blam you didn't see me

[steep rover]

goofy as they may be, I think these are rly cool

althought theyd be a pain in the arse to paint and on the tabletop theyd look like ugly little smudges

[barren tapir]

Ah, i see you are a person of culture too and know the imperial policy of how to get a clean job

[alpine ingot]

I am now convinced after listening to the newest Ciaphas Cain book to be released on audible that most ships that get lost in the warp are not due to warp storms, but captains being extremely cheap and not taking care of repairs and their ships regularly to save a little bit of extra cash.

[slow prawn]

And that is genuinely one of the most realistic things about navies

[alpine ingot]

wasn't even a captain in the navy, was just a merchant that got shanghai'd into being a troop transport for the 597th

[vapid tiger]

blanche primarchs

rate em

[dusk widget]

Jaghatai fights in heels

I love it

[cerulean wagon]

ye i love that bit, its a real interesting part of the book

it also means that travel without prep is possible (otherwise he wouldnt risk it)

[empty current]

blanch is based

[prisma lark]

alright, Blanche's Jaghatai and Sanguinius are both fucking ace

fit his artstyle so well

[lyric ember]

So is there tesla technology in the imperiums control?

I know that they have taser stuff, but im looking for steampunk esq type equipment

[prisma lark]

the skitarii have arc weapons

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Arc_Weapon

[lyric ember]

Mhm

[prisma lark]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/e/ed/ArcRifle.jpg

[lyric ember]

I know what it is

[prisma lark]

steampunk enough for me 😉

[lyric ember]

Should have mentioned that

[storm jungle]

Yeah the mechanicus are the only faction with steampunk/electro equipment

[proper helm]

Does the bolt of electricity shoot out of the top part or the bottom part?

[grand minnow]

yes

[storm jungle]

Bottom

the coils are just the power-source attached to it

[twin shoal]

The ever show all the primarchs yet?

I know some haven’t been introduced last I checked

[vapid tiger]

Yes

In 30k

Not in 40k

[twin shoal]

Oh sweet!

[vapid tiger]

I hope all the fucking loyalist primarchs are dead in 40k

[twin shoal]

Oh darn

[vapid tiger]

Aside from guilliman

Fuck primarchs

all my homies hate primarchs

[twin shoal]

Guilliman wouldn’t have done anything if you gamers didn’t gas him up just saying

[grand minnow]

Hey, Kai is pretty cool

white scars guy, i dont remember how to spell his name

[lyric ember]

Jaghatai Khan i think

[steep rover]

iirc they actually have a relic called "The skull of Tesla" or something lol

[lyric ember]

Yes i know

I read about it earlier

Check the skitarii equipment tab in the wiki for it

Specialized equipment i think

[grand minnow]

Yeah him, hes a chad

[vast frigate]

no

dorn, magnus, russ, vulkan

all cutiers

Angron 🤤

[vapid tiger]

I actually do enjoy primarchs a good deal (mostly) but they're definitely overrated and would definitely overshadow the rest of the setting if all placed in 40k proper

Specifically the loyalist ones given that the daemon primarchs can just be slotted in with no issue

Unless GW suddenly switched up the way it handled primarchs which I doubt

[alpine ingot]

some primarchs are better at fitting in with 40k overall setting without disrupting it too much. others are a lot harder to even consider bringing back.

[lyric ember]

Dorn♥️

Perturabo is the worst primarch btw

[vast frigate]

i just like beefy men

[lyric ember]

And Dorn is the best

[lyric ember]

Fair

[storm jungle]

Perturabo is pretty great

[vast frigate]

perty went Greek

i like greek

[worn fern]

This is why I liked Lords of Silence so much since there is introspection in if the orimarchs still being around is a good or bad thing

Those aligned with the black legions and abbadon think that the orimarchs are of a big one age and should stay dead and in the past

Where the sons have surpassed them and done more with their time than what their father ever did

And thej you have the og like Vorx who somewhat likes the primarchs and can see their place in the galaxy anew

But I think the sentiment on most of the chaos legions is that the primarchs should stay dead or hiding away

Whilst on the loyalist side, they are all so dogmatic and single-minded when it comes to terra that any and all loyalist primarchs are welcomed with somehat open arms

Like we know that people didn't like gorlamis return, but that opposition is pretty much taken out instantly and handwaved in some senses so that the primarchs are back on top

https://tenor.com/view/gorlami-gorlomi-brad-pitt-gif-14720888

[fallen bloom]

I think there needs to be a rule for orks in 40k called the power of colors. The ork/vehicle can for an extra point cost add this rule. This gives bonuses to the stats of the unit based on the paint scheme. Of course this rule will be somewhat exclusionary to all the ork players who haven't finished painting their models.

[cerulean wagon]

thats literally just the clan rules

[vast frigate]

^

[jagged otter]

Any suggestions for videos that are good at priming someone not familiar with 40k lore?

[real stone]

ooh

ooh

OOH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UszZz_XC1YE

40K Theories has an entire series of videos labled "40K Theories for Newcomers"

Some of them are very long, but others are far more manageable

If you're looking for Grimdark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy4CJ4F-epA

Far more basic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxeAPUZVipY

Still grimdark tho

god damn

[dusk widget]

TTS unironically is a great introduction to 40k

[real stone]

Yeah

TTS too

[dusk widget]

I got into it because of TTS.

Specifically the Custodes vs Fabricator General.

[real stone]

Just incase you've never seen it, I don't know how you couldn't, but some people haven't!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcYrTCGKyrU

[jagged otter]

Awesome, thanks ya'll! I've been trying to get my girlfriend into 40k cause she was expressing some interest when she saw the Darktide teaser

[real stone]

OK. TTS is gonna be the way for funny memes, everything else is grimdark

[lyric ember]

if she has a decent attention span and is fine with listening to two grown men aggressively shitpost then Adeptus ridiculous might be good. Majorkill if she likes loud annoying and nsfw australian commentary. Luetin09 is the powerpoint projector of warhammer lore channels. Weshammer is kinda annoying but his videos are like 1 minute - 3 minute long tidbits.

[dreamy latch]

Perturabo is incredible no cap, they did him dirty by making him a demon primarch

[alpine ingot]

Chaos gods: you thought the Emperor didn't give a shit about what you wanted perty? well you're gonna love this then.

Adeptus Ridiculous is okay for an entry point, but as they've said it themselves in their comments; their coverage of the lore or stories isn't meant to be an in depth 100% factual cover, just something to get people interested in the setting.

[lost scarab]

WAT BESTEST KULTUR

GET SPOUTIN' YE GROTZ

[sleek delta]

there are normal 40k fans and then there are Ork 40k fanbois

full on ork larp

[cerulean wagon]

hes like

one of 4 RPers we have on the server

2 of them are necrons

it gets very tedious if you hadn't guessed

[lost scarab]

I've said 4 sentences.

[cerulean wagon]

it stacks with every other RPer i've seen i'm afraid

[real stone]

Oof

[lost scarab]

What a buzzkill.

I'm just having some fun dude.

[cerulean wagon]

been puttin up with it daily for the past 16 months, sorry if i find it dull

[sleek delta]

oh dude... by all means I love RPing esp ork chat..

i am not suggesting anyone stop or change 😄

love me some ork speak

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-db-shotgun-gif-21597283

[dim totem]

ILL ZOG YA SKELLY

jk jk i will spare you

[lost scarab]

NARZ! UZE WANTZ TA KRUMP DA GIT. SAVE DA ZOGGIN' FOR DA BIG E'S.

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[lyric ember]

so are plasma calivers pretty much the automatic plasma rifle from Fo4

[barren tapir]

Yes, pretty much the same, just one is blue, the other green

[native surge]

he doesn't know what fun is

the dude literally blocked me for posting gifs

https://tenor.com/view/bardin-slayer-vermintide-gif-24272560

you do you man fk what anyone else thinks

[storm jungle]

Lmao

to be fair you literally post them out of context in every chat for no reason, its a fine reason to be annoyed.

[native surge]

it's just a gif, a fun one at that.. and i post in 2 channels at most

he's just a b*tch 😄

u lot do a good job at keeping this community small i give you that, no fun nancies

[storm jungle]

Sure.

[native surge]

gatekeepers will gatekeep

🤷‍♂️

[storm jungle]

Nobody is really gatekeeping

you're being a bit delusional there

[native surge]

he stopped that dude from wanting to rp as an ork just cos he was tired of it lol

[cerulean wagon]

not liking spam is not gatekeeping

[native surge]

what if he's new to 40k

just a dick move mate ngl

[storm jungle]

Sherwin coming from you thats a bit ironic

[native surge]

i rp as a dwarf wdym

[native surge]

explain yourself 😤

[native surge]

you could've just blocked him like you did to me instead of putting the dude down

but nope gotta gatekeep

[vast frigate]

mechanicus, necron, necron, guardsman

[storm jungle]

Nobody is gatekeeping

[vast frigate]

thats the ones ive seen

[storm jungle]

christ lmao

[vast frigate]

wait gatekeeping, what happened here

where are my gates

[storm jungle]

🚪

[vast frigate]

I PUT THEM IN YESTERDAY DILARA

EXPLAIN

[storm jungle]

They fell off im sorry

[vast frigate]

dang

guess it all hinged on a small component

: )

[native surge]

who u calling small

https://tenor.com/view/bardin-slayer-vermintide-gif-24272560

[cerulean wagon]

sherwin throwin around the word gatekeepin for the magic moral highground

[storm jungle]

i swear guys

[native surge]

prob wasnt the right phrase

but u were still a dick about it

[storm jungle]

me posting the bardin gif for the 348595th time is comedic genius

[vast frigate]

sort of

plasma calivers are uh

Plasma pistol but rifle

they cant fire fully automatic due to coil limiters preventing overheat

[lyric ember]

Ohhh

[vast frigate]

But a caliver can do something which allows it to hold a charge

[lyric ember]

I see

[vast frigate]

build up the potentional energy

its better than an overcharge

its like shoving more bullet into your bullet

[native surge]

block me too then

[storm jungle]

Can't lazy

[native surge]

smh

[vast frigate]

There are skitarii who perfect charging the blob of plasma to such degrees that they ruin the coolant resevoirs with each shot, but it slags anything it hits

[lyric ember]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/House_Zavora

zavora

[native surge]

dope sigil

[lyric ember]

mhm

[alpine ingot]

just had a random thought, if there is low gothic and a variant of low gothic shaped by the distinct dialect of each world in the Imperium, that means that if you watch a play or show distinct to that world as an off-worlder it would be the equivalent to watching a Korean soap opera as an English speaker. Or I could have way overthought that and is a tell tale sign I need to go to bed

[cerulean wagon]

na thats pretty apt, but thats why most local artists guilds would push for a more "standard" speak for entertaining offworlders if they are a common thing

its kinda like seeing blood brothers at a theatre and they all speak like scowsers

which although is the intended dialect and accent of the show, can end up sounding like complete nonesense

[alpine ingot]

I am now imagining a world that does this specifically to fill a niche for off world nobles entertainment now.

[final spruce]

Already exists though

They are called Paradise Worlds

[alpine ingot]

I know paradise worlds exist, I am just imagining one that fills this exact niche now.

[barren tapir]

So... A theatre world?

[marsh grail]

I’d think it would be closer to an English speaking Canadian or someone from England going to Louisiana and trying to speak with the locals

[barren tapir]

Sub-category of paradise world

[marsh grail]

They are both technically speaking the same language but good luck

[rose thorn]

gonan be honest, i completely forgot that there were minor chaos warbands

[storm jungle]

Every faction has a minor group

its mostly there for the homebrew element

but also makes perfect in-universe sense

[alpine ingot]

I think we are forgetting how much we can butcher the fuck out of English already in our own time. Just take the example of comparing someone from a rural part of America speaking English to someone from Scotland speaking English and watch them be confused as fuck trying to understand one another as they get into a heated arguement

[barren tapir]

I will go and say that that is also because english is fucked up from the start

It is pretty much three languages in a trench coat

[alpine ingot]

and all three hate each other lol

[barren tapir]

If anything the level of similarity between low gothics is an achievement if it was even slightly based on english

[rose thorn]

yea, but like, besides the uh, flawless hosts and shit i dont think ive ever heard of any minor chaos warbands

i guess

malice?

if they count

[storm jungle]

yeah thats also the other side effect

you will barely hear of half of these people

[cerulean wagon]

minor warbands you wont have heard of cause they are minor

i guess a good example tho is darktide, which as far as we can tell is its own nurgle cult that isn't DG or any big named group, or how VT is the rotbloods

[rose thorn]

avenging sons have alto of lore

because they are chaos ultramarines

oh

wow they are just

'fuck gulliman;

[vapid tiger]

Hundreds of em yep

Hundreds of minor unnamed subfactions out there for homebrew and "the universe do be big" purposes

[vapid tiger]

If slaanesh is so tempting, why are khorne daemons hotter?

[storm jungle]

they got that tongue game

[broken bridge]

i wanna say slannesh demon tongue game is better because they have them in places you didnt even know about

[real stone]

https://tenor.com/view/dude-thats-so-wrong-kyle-broflovski-south-park-s15e10-bass-to-mouth-gif-23109193

[broken bridge]

you can get a thighjob and a blowjob at the same time!

[rose thorn]

im going to save this to my notes

[marsh grail]

Are there purple glow necrons?

[broken bridge]

you do that

[rose thorn]

WAIT THIS IS THE WARHAMMER DISCORD NOT TEH HORNY ONE THAT HITS ON ME CONSTANTLu?

[storm jungle]

Necrons can exist in any color yes

[rose thorn]

AHAHAHH MY BAD

[marsh grail]

Cool

[storm jungle]

Yep go nuts

[rose thorn]

Usually there’s cool lore explains why it’s that color, the fuckin star harvesting guys are solar powered and use the strength of a sun so they are orange

[brittle nebula]

I like my color scheme of black and red

It’s quite nice on DOW Soulstorm.

[marsh grail]

I think black and purple is like one of the coolest looking color schemes

However green is my favorite color so I’m constantly fighting with myself

[brittle nebula]

I’ve seen a full on purple one it was funny

The flayed ones were very purple

I’m surprised the blood wasn’t purple too

[marsh grail]

I like purple as the secondary color. The primary needs to be black

[brittle nebula]

Black is good on everything

[upbeat arch]

can fucking Black Library stop re-releasing Pariah?

I always get so fucking hype thinking it's gonna gimme a release date for Pandemonium but no

they just got a new cover for pariah again

[plush mason]

LOL

[brittle nebula]

Pariah are fun.

[feral mortar]

do you guys prefer firstborn or primaris marines?

like, in or out of universe

[brittle nebula]

Depends

[feral mortar]

go on

[brittle nebula]

Both firstborn and primaris are good looking but it also depends on what kind of mood I’m in. It just goes back and forth. I can’t really explain it.

But I’m more of a necron kind of guy so idk.

[atomic pelican]

I think Primaris look better in general

Tho I will say like

gravis looks a bit goofy

I think for like regular bog standard marines primaris are better, but the new vehicles and gravis are worse than old vehicles/termis

[storm jungle]

https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/c44795fe-invader-atv-white.jpg

[feral mortar]

i kind of find the primaris as too try hard to up the ante. Space marines were already big dudes, and now you keep making them bigger. Granted, GW wanted larger scale models, yes?

though, I do like some of the armor designs

[atomic pelican]

TBF that's less a marine-specific thing and more the fact that models just get bigger over time

for like, every faction

That and, heroic scale + the ability to add more detail to larger models

I believe models used to be smaller before to hide the lack of detail in many cases

But now with better techniques, that detail can look great

So need a larger canvas for it

[brittle nebula]

They were smaller

[feral mortar]

if only cawls made some improved tech for the guard. I see so many new space marine gear, but if there's anything the guard managed to get techwise, I'm ignorant on it

[brittle nebula]

I don’t have any knowledge of guardsman getting new gear.

https://tenor.com/view/necrons-warhammer-gauss-gif-24598584

I would like to keep it that way. I like watching them disintegrate.

[broken bridge]

New gear is for the smurfs ONLY

[marsh grail]

Both are equally edible. The primaris have a little more meat but put up more of a fight so it balances out.

[brittle nebula]

You say that as if you have personal experience

[cerulean wagon]

aagreed although the standard model armoured dread is pog

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0556/0634/5879/products/99120101191_RedemptorDreadnought01_470x.jpg?v=1644074943

[atomic pelican]

Yuss

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/dreadnought-run-warhammer40k-dark-angels-running-dreadnought-gif-16980324

He’s coming for you!

[cursive hull]

I don't mind the old Dread, but yeah... The standard Primaris Dread is pretty pog.

[brittle nebula]

Try the comtemtor type dreadies… or even the custodies comtemtor

Everything is better will gold

[broken bridge]

he skips leg day though

[slow prawn]

What really sucks to me about the new Primaris Dread is that it burns out the user, which defeats the purpose of Dreads in Warhammer

[brittle nebula]

That is a sad truth

[slow prawn]

They’re just as much repositories of wisdom and experience as they are walking tanks

[brittle nebula]

(Necron chuckle) resurrection protocols are fun.

[brittle nebula]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=7Clm24cSeyc&feature=share

Hmm…..

[plush mason]

all dreads burnout their users its just the primarius ones do so faster

[brittle nebula]

Way faster I’d say. I don’t know of any non primaris dreadnought “burning out”

I believe the oldest dreadnought has been around since the Horus herecy… his name is slipping my mind.

Oh I remember his name now. Bjon the Fell-Handed

10,000 standard Terran years old

[shadow plover]

depends on how long they're active

[brittle nebula]

If my math is correct

[shadow plover]

active =/= alive

[brittle nebula]

That is also a factor

[shadow plover]

as in the dreads get put into deep slumbers more often the longer they've been active to decrease the degradation

[brittle nebula]

Hmm… then the reason why primaris dreads burn out more quickly is because they have less sleep?

[shadow plover]

I believe the dreads are more demanding so the theoretical active time is shorter for them

[brittle nebula]

So it’s more taxing on the body. I think I understand now.

This is an interesting topic. I must continue to research this.

[final spruce]

No that's because Belisarius Cawl designed it to be more effective in combat than a normal dreadnought and, as the name Redemptor says, people in there kinda deserve it so the Dreadnought 's role isn't to safeguard one of the chapters hero anymore but to give a chance of redemption to someone that fell without grace

[plush mason]

anyone here know necromunda lore?

[barren tapir]

Yes

But i prefer to call it araneus prime

🧐

[plush mason]

wtf is a sump beast?

[barren tapir]

Nasty things, more similar to heavily mutated animals iirc

[plush mason]

cuz in the hired gun video game it is some massive thing hanging from the ceiling

[shadow plover]

it can be a lot of things

[plush mason]

so its a catch all term got it

[barren tapir]

It is an umbrella term

[shadow plover]

though I do think the one in the hired gun game is the first one of it's kind

At least I've not seen nor heard of one before

was pretty exciting though

[plush mason]

shame we had to nuke it

[barren tapir]

Never saw it so cannot comment on it, but in general is the term used to indicate the mutated life of the underhive

[plush mason]

its a mass of tentacles hanging from the top of an old generatorum

and i mean mass

[barren tapir]

Ooohhhh, those things

[plush mason]

damn thing covers the entire dome

[barren tapir]

Yeah, now i understand what you mean, they are some of the most dangerous things you can ever meet in the underhive

[plush mason]

i believe it

would need an army to kill something like that

[barren tapir]

There is even a named one iirc

IIRC it even claimed imperial fist lives

[plush mason]

"think anyone would pay out a bounty on a tentacle?" is your character's only reaction to it lol

[cerulean wagon]

thats because bad writting

[shadow plover]

I mean if it's a nuisance big enough someone ought to pay to get rid of it

but ain't giving hired gun any props on it's writing though

[lyric ember]

Who is the shortest primarch?

I assume it's alpharius/omegon

[slow prawn]

Yep, to better help blend in with his Astartes

I also like to think Russ is only barely bigger than him, and also short

[plush mason]

he isnt tho lol

he is average height iirc so around 10 feet

[slow prawn]

I know but it’s a hilarious head canon to me

[vapid tiger]

Quite large

[slow prawn]

Angry Chihuahua Primarch

[vapid tiger]

He's on the right hand side

[plush mason]

||actually thats omegon. alpharis just had normal SM power armor||

||as confirmed by the new alpha legion book||

[lyric ember]

so, if alpharius were to legitimately die (since it was omegon who maybe died to dorn iirc) would the alpha legion even know?

[barren tapir]

The inverse, it was alpharius that died, and omegon survived and took the identity of alpharius

[lyric ember]

well i guess it's thematic to be annoying and confusing

[dusk widget]

This is a lie.

[cerulean wagon]

as far as we know they are both already dead

[rose thorn]

god fucking damn the night lords are kinda cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWjP3Kw5Zuc

[shadow plover]

I'd recommend the Night Lords omnibus then

it's very good

this speech is from it too

Though I do prefer the audiobook version by Andrew Wincott

https://youtu.be/24FAH_1HEZc

[rose thorn]

ooo ightm i need some nice ambiance and shit to work on my night lord chaos lord

[shadow plover]

It will surely work as great inspiration

been thinking about a small Night Lords force ever since listening through them

[rose thorn]

i just wanted a new project to work on, im making a night lord chaos lord with jump pack bolter and power claw. im probs not gonna paint it but it will be a fun kit bash and use of 3d print bits

[shadow plover]

sounds cool

[marsh grail]

Mario and Luigi opinions moment

[barren tapir]

🤌🏻

[rose thorn]

why the fuck do people talk shit about the world eaters? their story is amazing

this is coming from somone who hates the black templars

they have an amazing story and motivation

[storm jungle]

Because they are one of the footnote legions that do nothing but act as the stereotypical berserkers who dont do anything

Same as how Nightlords are only praised for the trilogy books but are otherwise basically nobodies outside of it

[rose thorn]

they are amazing pre Horus heresy, its about a man who has only been shown anger and hate, and a legion desperate to earn his compassion

[storm jungle]

Also Angron went from a tragic primarch to big demon dude who has 0 character

[rose thorn]

fair

[storm jungle]

And its fair for people not to like him

Hes a piece of shit and takes his anger out on his own legion

and practically damns them

[rose thorn]

but most of the daemon primarchs kidna

fucking blow

[storm jungle]

Yeah like

Morty has been the only one doing anything

before Plotarmor Guilliman fucked him up

[cerulean wagon]

thats cause HH and anything to do with the primarchs just kinda sucks

[rose thorn]

i think fulgrim was

fine, but fulgrim's personality carries him

[cerulean wagon]

i wont hate people for liking them, just know they arent well written at all

[rose thorn]

and im horrifically bias

[cerulean wagon]

like, fulgrim falls to a sword in like 3 days over a single book

[rose thorn]

;~; it wasnt even that simple, but they did it in one book which killed it

[cerulean wagon]

yup

the primarchs are great in theory

[rose thorn]

in reality their highest ranking members were sociopaths before the corruption

[cerulean wagon]

in practice and actual material its all terrible

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[cerulean wagon]

dw u get used to it

40k just isnt written well, best to just head cannon it and smooth it out

also ignore HH and anything main chapter related

[rose thorn]

im also

like

really annoyed taht the space wolves are immune to khrone influence, while their current chapter master is literally using a khrone axe

but also the wolves arel ike, the entire point is they are savage killers that were loyal

and its lame

[cerulean wagon]

like i said

ignore the SM chapters

they are all aweful in their own right

[rose thorn]

I don’t hate space marine chapters, I think they are really good like, setting for telling characters stories.

Like what if an uhhh… an ultra marines looses faith in his cause and realize the pointlessness of his mission.

or better examples i cant thinjk of right now

[plush mason]

wtf is the thing in the center?

[cerulean wagon]

ur mum

(prob a cryptark)

[plush mason]

lol

[grand minnow]

Specificaly? Plasmancer

[brittle nebula]

Maybe even a chronomancer

[grand minnow]

This guy

[plush mason]

thanks

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh7wjZP3258

[plush mason]

wait so. the grey knights are a chapter of former daemon hosts?

[crisp heath]

what is this? Game? Posing?

[shadow plover]

Looks like the new dlc for Battlesector

[signal hill]

||does it confirm of they are actually traitors or just weird loyalists?||

[barren tapir]

No, those are the exorcists

[storm jungle]

Yeah that

GK were made from the ground up

[spice orchid]

the teamkilling fucks

[storm jungle]

That too

[vapid tiger]

Hysterical that grey knights apparently add the heraldry of the closest allies they were forced to execute to their personal heraldry

[storm jungle]

lol

are you fucking kidding me

Sometimes a Battle-Brother will take the icon of an ally which has been exterminated or mind-wiped in the aftermath of battle. Thus the only reminder of their existence remains upon the Battle-Brother's heraldic shield, a forlorn reminder of their service to the Grey Knights while they lived.

christ

[barren tapir]

Now this is dumb grimmderp shit

[storm jungle]

Like

I kinda get it but

why would the GK even care

I guess its "symbolic"

[shadow plover]

Yeah doubt it will be done some random shitty guardsman but rather if some rather or almost important name gets themselves the ol' Grey Knight treatment I could see it being in honour of the person

[storm jungle]

Grey Knights be like: "We must honor them."

Meanwhile: Everyone the GK killed because their witness doctrine is smoothbrained af

[lyric ember]

You dont have to fund a witness protection program if there are no witnesses

It's due to cut funding y'know?

Like they either had to give up monthly SoB organ baths or the witness protection program

[storm jungle]

Just like IRL

[upbeat arch]

“Then where would I put my wine?!”
“But my lord, you dont even drink wine.”
“Of course not, it’s far too expensive.”
-from infinite and divine

[storm jungle]

That and him threatening with

"I'LL TURN YOU INTO A MINING SCARAB"

is the best parts in that chapter

[brittle nebula]

I need to read that book

[alpine ingot]

Audio version is 10/10

[plush mason]

||one is a traitor the other it loyalist but i cant remember which lol||

[alpine ingot]

Also that bit about the gk heraldry derpness makes me sad that inadvertently I have something similar with a homebrew chapter of mine where a brother will replace a piece of his armor or kit with something that belonged to the fallen, so "even in death their will lived on" and all that.

[dim totem]

How does that witness system work anyway

I never really understood say a bunch of demons fight guard

do the guard just get turned into starch?

[storm jungle]

No just shot

or sent to death camps

Because apparently you seeing demons makes you a liability

which is dumb af

since imperial worlds fall to demonic corruption daily

[shadow plover]

but imagine how many MORE would if they'd know about it

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah

like space marines

or I.G regiments that constantly fight chaos

or inquisitors

or the imperial navy

wuh woh

🧠

[spice orchid]

i love their aesthetic but fuck that whole chapter

[rose thorn]

I’m looking at some of The space marine founding chapters I don’t really know or care about and I realized ‘wait word bearers are super fucking cool I wonder why no one talks about them.’

Now I’m period to learn how GW fucked them up

[storm jungle]

They didnt really?

Word Bearers are pretty normal

like, as in at a stable spot

they are basically THE Decepticons of the chaos marines

the big boys

the lads on the block

[brittle nebula]

And Lorgar is an interesting character

[storm jungle]

the chaos boyz

Also yeah

He literally gives up and leaves the Heresy before Terra since Horus is being an idiot puppet

stuff like that is great

[shadow plover]

Word Bearers good

[storm jungle]

they Bear Words

🧸

[brittle nebula]

Also Lorgar is responsible for the creation of the whole god emperor thing. So you can thank him for your stupid “religion”.

[barren tapir]

And yet they couldn't bear big E telling them to stop with religious BS and to do reasonable things... Ironic

[alpine ingot]

Lorgar and his sons are excellent antagonist for the setting, they in a sense represent the real threat of chaos.

[lyric ember]

What is the biggest human in 40k that doesnt have height augments

That we know of

[barren tapir]

Ogryns

Or, if you just want human then i would say stonetooth...

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Harker

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/a/ab/Harker.jpg

[lyric ember]

K

[storm jungle]

Owned

[barren tapir]

That guy can be stealthier than a SM with a heavy bolter

[rose thorn]

only seconded to black legion. Because black Legion is as plain as paper.

[vapid tiger]

Black legion is alright

[broken bridge]

any books worth it in this bundle ?https://www.humblebundle.com/books/tales-space-marine-chapters-2022-black-library-books?utm_campaign=talesblapr22_w2&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=link

[smoky mauve]

The only one of those I read wasGrey Knights... and it was okay? Nothing special, but fun.

[shadow plover]

heard a lot of good about Spear of the Emperor

might pick it up soon as an audiobook

[neat fiber]

Spear is very nice I've read it

definitely explores some of the less talked about parts of sm's, chapters and more

its got a good story some nice plot twists and a few bits of humor as you can have in grimdark

[alpine ingot]

Urdesh : serpents of the Emperor is pretty decent.

Follows Pryad of the Iron Snakes chapter in his years as a Captain as he fights at the side of the beeti ( I forget how it's spelled)

it is also part one of the story and another is coming

[storm jungle]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/04/22/the-leagues-of-votann-are-coming-but-what-actually-is-a-votann/

The Leagues of Votann are on their way, and everyone’s excited to find out how these doughty space-farers fit into the vast setting of Warhammer 40,000. The Leagues have a long, storied history of independent strongholds, bound together by the Votann – but just what is a Votann, anyway?

A secretive people in a galaxy full of mortal threats, the Kin do not discuss the nature of the Votann with outsiders – by sacred custom and sensible caution. The word is used freely enough, but no-one beyond the Leagues has any clue what it refers to.

There’s good reason for this reticence – if the secrets of the Votann were ever revealed to the galaxy at large, the uneasy peace between the Leagues and the Imperium of Man would quickly crumble.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735941248036241489/967086169575788635/unknown.png?width=705&height=443

Why? The Votann are Ancestor Cores – super-cogitators, gestalt repositories of inherited wisdom and knowledge. Each League has its own Votann, central to its way of life, and no Kin would hesitate to lay down their lives to protect it – these venerable cogitators are as sacred to the Kin as gods are to the more spiritual races. That’s the sort of thing the Adeptus Mechanicus has strong opinions on.

Within these self-organising datastacks and quantum infocores is held all the information a people might need to survive among the stars – weapon specifications, military theory, genealogical data, science, philosophy, and even Standard Template Constructs. There is an unimaginable wealth of lore buried in each Votann, which cannot be allowed to fall into the more superstitious hands of outsiders.

Of course, the 41st Millennium being what it is, not all is well among the Votann – it turns out that even machines of near-limitless power can eventually run out of memory. Whoever first created these marvels did not design them for tens of thousands of years of constant operation, and the sheer weight of data they are forced to compute has begun to slow them down.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735941248036241489/967086257832333383/unknown.png

Some have developed idiosyncrasies – what might even be termed “personalities”. When once the Kin would have received an answer to a tough question in a matter of moments, as the 41st Millennium comes to a close, some Votann can take decades – or even centuries – to deliver the same solution. Day by day, year by year, the Ancestor Cores become more eccentric and mercurial.

There are plenty more secrets where that came from, held in Warhammer Community’s very own Ancestor Core – we’ll have more to say about the Leagues of Votann once we work out how to get it to answer another question. In the meantime, keep checking back – and sign up for the newsletter to get all the latest ancestral insights delivered right to your inbox.

[vast frigate]

''We are visiting granddad tomorrow Timmy.''
BUT MOOOOOM HIS CORE IS SO DUSTY AND HE ONLY ANSWERS EVERY 2 HOURS

[brittle nebula]

Lol

[vapid tiger]

I'm starting to become concerned with how space marine-y they look

[storm jungle]

They are walking Eggs

🥚

[vast frigate]

they dont

shoo

go

leave

[brittle nebula]

Lol definitely

[storm jungle]

Also I just noticed that dwarf at the front has long legs

[vast frigate]

nah i see what you mean tho

LEGGE

[storm jungle]

HE HAS PROPER LEGS

WHAT IS THIS

[vast frigate]

well i mean

augmetics are a hell of a thing, dilara

[storm jungle]

😩

[vapid tiger]

Leagues of Votann trans?????

[storm jungle]

LMAO

WHAT

[vapid tiger]

I was making an egg joke

[vast frigate]

nah

''Power armor so space marine''

thats what im seeing nowadays

[steep rover]

Honestly dude idk how you cant see the overlap. Big paldrons, power pack, small head set within a contained, round breast plate, etc.

its all the same design cues and the shillouette is almost indistinguishable at a glance

[storm jungle]

yeah like what the fuck amirite

[steep rover]

We can only hope they have a unique play style on the tabletop cause visually theyre just short space marines

[storm jungle]

oh wait that comment was serious

[vast frigate]

mhm mhm mhm so any form of exo armor is a space marine now

gotcha

not to be snarky but just, no

[storm jungle]

[vast frigate]

this means any solar auxilia unit looks like a space marine

[storm jungle]

also to be fair we virtually have seen nothing of them aside from one mini atm

[vast frigate]

any powered armor in any game is a space marine if the armor is big enough

[steep rover]

alright nvm enjoy ur squats lol

[vast frigate]

Astronauts are space marines

The design queue of space marines follows more than BIG ARMOR BIG PADS FACEGRILLE SMOLLHEAD

[steep rover]

such as?

[vast frigate]

Lets start with rounded design chassis, power packs always stick out, knee sections have been distinct since mark 4 iirc, the eye lenses, forearm guards, perpeptual rounding of the engine vents

Leagues of votann art; heavy, robust plates with angles, movement free overhang shoulders, robes and belts, actual helmet space

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steep rover]

you cant seriously tell me these arent on marines and vice vera

[vast frigate]

marine shoulder movement is free enough, but the leagues armor is literally overhanging plates

not some buckled heavy bulge owo

Their armor follows sharp lines, not rounding the chassis of the design

Also; They are literally a human subfaction, of course theyre going to get power armor

[steep rover]

it has nothing to do with them having power armor

Design language can be distinct while still being power armor

For example, Sisters of Battle

[vast frigate]

THEN THERE IS YOUR ANSWER

[storm jungle]

THEY ARE DISTINCT

[vast frigate]

GO, SPREAD THE WORD TO THE STARS

[storm jungle]

💀

[vast frigate]

BEFORE I ABUSE MY DRAWING TABLET TO SHOW YOU HOW DIFFERENT THESE LINES ARE

:l

[steep rover]

???? My argument was never that they shouldnt have power armor

[vast frigate]

neither was ours

the design isnt ''space marine like''

[steep rover]

its that their whole design language is too similar to marines

[vast frigate]

its literally body wrapping tomb armor

the design differs hard

[steep rover]

okay this isnt gonna go anywhere

nvm

[final spruce]

I was jsut reading that

So as expected, they got AI

[lyric ember]

Who is the most dangerous chaos god?

[plush mason]

the debate that was raged for uncountable eons

to which the simple answer is

all of them

[lyric ember]

Shush im trying to instigate something

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[shadow plover]

depends what you consider more dangerous

[cerulean wagon]

they are all equally dangerous and simply prey upon people in different ways

[slow prawn]

Your mother

[vast frigate]

depends on the situation

tldr theyre all dangerous but if youre doing something specific one is more than another

[alpine ingot]

The one the demon running you down belongs to at the moment.

[potent burrow]

To imply the existence of a 'Most dangerous' chaos god is to imply the existence of less dangerous chaos gods.

You are suggesting that any chaos god is 'Less dangerous'.

The inquisitor has been dispatched.

[lyric ember]

I mean like

Tzeentch doesn't really do anything

[brittle nebula]

He just looks all crafty and says. “It’s all going to plain.”

All day

[potent burrow]

It's like those people who argued that SloMo wasn't so bad in Dredd, because 'It just makes people see things in slow motion and with sparkles.'