40k-lore-chat

[crisp heath]

Just like Iron Hand and Hand of Iron primarch

[plush mason]

lol

[crisp heath]

Or sperm legion with a drug primarch or something like this

(Fulgrim)

Or Raven one with a special raven name in primarch

I love GW legion name and primarch name

Wolf is just Le Man Russ insert Le fish au chocolat here

(The man wolf)

[lyric ember]

Ok so which primarch would win in a free for all?

[crisp heath]

Me

[lyric ember]

Thats nice dear

[crisp heath]

Alpharius because he his Omegon who is Alpharius

[plush mason]

depends. melee or shoot out?

[lyric ember]

Use whatever they want

[astral isle]

i mean

[lyric ember]

Also pre heresy ofc

[astral isle]

either way angron is going to run people down

i don't think he knows what a gun is

[plush mason]

if melee sanguineous ofc

if ranged pert will take the W

[lyric ember]

They can use any weapons they want, including both melee and ranged

Pre heresy

[astral isle]

actually

wouldn't vulkan win automatically by attrition

[plush mason]

i guess

depends if he gets a massive lag spike or not lol

[lyric ember]

Wdym

[astral isle]

well he did get cononically spawncamped repeatedly by conrad curze

he's a perpetual

[lyric ember]

Because he's bigger?

[astral isle]

he cannot die

[lyric ember]

I'm sorry what

[plush mason]

yeah when he dies he just comes back

[lyric ember]

He's a perpetual?

[plush mason]

yup

[lyric ember]

Thats some bs

[astral isle]

yes

[plush mason]

but sometimes it takes him a long ass time

[lyric ember]

Can magnus like, banish his soul to the shadow realm

Like with horus

Cause daemons respawn too

[astral isle]

can magnus do that?

i know the emperor did that to horus

[lyric ember]

He's the most powerful psyker of the primarchs

[plush mason]

i doubt magnus even knows where said realm is

[astral isle]

i think he does

[lyric ember]

He can probably do some serious shenanigans

[astral isle]

he's probably a weeb

[lyric ember]

Maybe not Big Emps level

But he can mess up some stuff i bet

[plush mason]

like he messed up the human webway 😛

[astral isle]

doing nothing wrong intensifies

[plush mason]

lol

[astral isle]

i like magnus, but i don't understand people who unironically say magnus did nothing wrong

[rose thorn]

its because everthing was the emperors fault in the core of it

and magnus made amistake because of how the emperor treated him

the emperor treated him like dog shit so he treid to prove himself and got shafted

[lyric ember]

Yeah it was hilarious

So

Noise marines

Whats up with them

They're goofy and terrifying

[astral isle]

i'd like to think they invade an imperial world at night, start blaring their music, then the next door neighbors come outside and yell at them

some people are trying to sleep here you know

kids these days, no consideration for others

[vast frigate]

Perpeptuals are some of the most unique, cool, interesting

And bad handled lore

[storm jungle]

They use sonic weapons and do gross slaaneshi stuff, thats it

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Noise_Marine

[vast frigate]

They are cenobites

If you know what those are

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[vapid tiger]

dying marines 😍

[alpine ingot]

I like the "have a nice day" stenciled on the bolter

[vapid tiger]

Yeah RT era marines were fun and had a sense of humor

[storm jungle]

they were basically vietnam-vets too, its great

[lyric ember]

Reminds me of Umbara

[vapid tiger]

I really wish that horus heresy was less boring and was more of a homage to older rt era 40k

Could be done through bringing orks and eldar into the fold as their older incarnation

You could literally call hh era orks the old "space orks" name because the orks largely operated as spaceborne raiders for a little while after Ullanor, for example

Unfortunately it is largely just marines vs marines instead

also rangdan would be nice especially since they seem to be an original thing that also seems like a homage to rt era tyranids given the biotech and focus on genetic engineering, so a rangdan list could consist of stuff like zoats and those "giant termagants" that were the only rt-era nid mini

Also slaugth and whatnot since the rangdan are implied to be this mixture of various races

and ye olde "eldar mercenaries"

who had both craftworlders and "eldar pirates" (early corsairs) as their list

[shadow plover]

Wouldn't it be odd if the "Horus Heresy" was about something else than the space marine civil war

[vapid tiger]

I mean the 1988 adeptus titanicus was set in the hh but originally intended to feature eldar titans

Though that's a result of manufacturing delays

"Space marine civil war" being the overall state of the galaxy still works if you have xenos factions taking advantage of the conflict

Who are minor in role

[vast frigate]

I mean the normal civilia are shown too

[vapid tiger]

Ya

As are the Mechanicum

[vast frigate]

Before the "grand bolter" tears apart golden age armor

God the display of bolters in the heresy end days is just gun porn for marine chums

[vapid tiger]

Like the mechanicum, talons of the emperor, and imperial army are p prominent in hh as minor factions so I don't see the issue with having a couple of minor xenos factions being there too

Although I'm also biased

[vast frigate]

I just dislike the extreme marine pandering

[shadow plover]

Space Marine civil war was an overall simplification sure but still it's mostly about the human civil war and has pretty much always been, with the added flavour alien factions playing some minor parts in some confilcts

[vast frigate]

I just

Okay get this

Soldier in proto golden age armor, takes a full volkite charger to the chest

The armor rapidly cools the spot down and it only leaves some scorching

Then a sergeant whips out a bolt pistol and the armor magically beckons under the glorious stress of the bolt round

I love the idea of a bolter/volkite 1/2 punch system tho

[marsh grail]

You mean a combi-volkite?

Like combi-flamers and combi-meltas?

[vast frigate]

Idk if combi volkite exists

But its just, heat up plate and fire a bolt round at it

[eternal ledge]

Wanna see peak grimdumb

[shadow plover]

big number goes brrr

is this from the 5th edition or something

Anyone here read/listened Nate Crowley's Ghazghkull Thraka novel? I've really liked his earlier work but I'm not sold on a Orc book that much yet

[cerulean wagon]

i just think the ork stuff ain't too great in general

the only recent good media they got was the hammer n bolter episode

[shadow plover]

I've heard the Mike Brooks' Brutal Kunnin' is great, but again not sure if I personally would enjoy an Ork narrative

[storm jungle]

Lmao

Giant galaxy affecting thing

Is in some dumb side-blurb

[open tangle]

This at least gets the scale of imperial logistics somewhat right, I once worked out that it would take nearly 20 vagabond class transporters a day to supply a single hive world with food, apparently there are around 33000 hive worlds, so 660000 vagabond class transporters per day just transporting food to hive worlds. with how long warp travel can be and with the time it takes to unload the cargo, that is easily millions up millions of transports just for food to hive worlds. then there is everything else

[storm jungle]

Yeah but you forget that most 40k writers dont really put this much thought into writing the lore and its logistics.

[cerulean wagon]

no, but its fun to think about

[storm jungle]

💀

[cerulean wagon]

they don't need to mention numbers if they aren't gonna do the actual thought cause we can fill the blanks and see how it all kinda functions

[eternal ledge]

The logistics of the imperium is so bad if you plug it into a excel spreadsheet it would cause a nuclear meltdown without nuclear material

[vast frigate]

Doing the actual math is fun

Especially in dnd

I had my players govern a planet in starfinder before and one of them quickly learnt, after half his population starving, import important

[eternal ledge]

Lol

[chrome dragon]

Quickly post the image where the planet has over 49 decillion guardsmen

[vast frigate]

This planet is on patrol around its star

[rose thorn]

whats that uhh sam o nella quote where you fall into a planet of ants

[rose thorn]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx_L7l8PpaZbEpxHlUTtCMYaFgK_ZvyjMN

[vapid tiger]

I like how old ork artwork has them wearing german helmets to reinforce the whole "nazi" aspect of football hooliganism

Though I think the new boyz kit has some of those?

[rose thorn]

lmao i like how the old orks are tiehre mor egerman or more mongolian

[vapid tiger]

Eh close enough

[crisp heath]

im glad i got my hands on an "old" Ork boy pack. the new ones look good, but the old ones are hella fine too

[crisp heath]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/a/ab/Cadians2nd.jpg Look at my boys xD

[tawdry wyvern]

I just learned that people separated Abnett books from the rest of the lore as an "Abnettverse". Why tho?

[lyric ember]

Have the Mechanicus had any involvement in the Octarius war?

Ok so Ryza and Estaban III are involved slightly

[cerulean wagon]

because dan has a slightly different, semi grounded semi whimsical look at 40k i think? basically its not all death blood and murder and people don't like that so its not considered entirely cannon 40k despite being the cannon everything is based off

to quote someone from reddit for a comparison

"In Wraight's books you get the feeling that people are literally cogs waiting to die and be processed into corpse starch, and any sheep who even think about chaos are terminated

In Abnett's books, the setting feels a lot more alive, with settings such as a bohemian 19th century bar , with amasec and iho sticks, and even middle ranking officials know a bit about the "archenemy/chaos"."

[lyric ember]

Abnetts sounds 10x better

[tawdry wyvern]

This

[lyric ember]

Like how is there a contest

[tawdry wyvern]

But its a fan thing, nothing gw ordered?

[lyric ember]

I imagine writers are going to write what they damn well want to write

[shadow plover]

Wraight is very very good too

[cerulean wagon]

nothin GW ordered its just an observation people have made that his writing style is different

its why im excited to see the characters for darktide, seeing as Dan is onboard for that

[storm jungle]

Because its not exactly great to go with your own takes of lore when you are one of the people shaping the narrative and usually ignoring what everyone else is writing for Black Library.

[lyric ember]

I see

[storm jungle]

Yeah it makes things needlessly complicated

but 40k so what are you gonna do

the Old Guard™️ writers usually get to do whatever they want

[tawdry wyvern]

Well different authors different styles. But yes, more grounded writing instead of weird over the edge derpyness is really better imo. Aside from logic, that there can't be a imperium with that crazy over the edge stuff all the time. There has to be normal day to day stuff happening

[cerulean wagon]

yup

[crisp heath]

Fatshark didn't got Dan for no reason

I actually enjoy reading his books

[marsh grail]

While it might not exist what you are describing is just that. However don’t primaris have some volkite weapons? So perhaps in the future we will get combis.

[barren tapir]

Yes

Neo-volkite pistols

[vast frigate]

neo volkite in general

[barren tapir]

Because cawl said "lol, these are impossible to make for other lmao"

[marsh grail]

So get someone to pull a halo noob combo holding a volkite pistol and a bolter.

[vast frigate]

but, a one two punch doesnt need you to have a combi weapon

[barren tapir]

AFAIK we only get pistols as now

[vast frigate]

you can have dualized squads

neo volkite rifles were mentioned by gw

dunno how far yet

[barren tapir]

Also, volkite blasters are actually one of the few ones that are still made, but only by dominus grade tech-priests, and only for themself

[lyric ember]

just heard about the nids invasion of the Sigma Male forgeworld in the octarius war

i can barely breathe im laughing so hard

[barren tapir]

Sigma what?

There was one forge world, Sigma Ulstari, not sigma male

[cunning wigeon]

None of these words are in the Bible

[storm jungle]

Soon they will be

[grand minnow]

Better than its sister world, ligma

[storm jungle]

Its so sad the Emperor died of ligma

[brittle nebula]

Ligma humanity’s biggest threat.

[dusk widget]

Who's the Emperor?

[plush mason]

some fool's corpse on a giant golden toilet

i can already feel the rage of the imperium stans lol

[rose thorn]

The Ligma heresy is really over Looked in the lore

[twin shoal]

whos the Emperor?

[potent swift]

Just some mystic thug

Don't worry about it

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-gif-23501265

I hope your bluffing.

[twin shoal]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/d32f17cfeeee2a39571cc0a2822d45fb/0ad4c075b6ac0af7-d3/s250x400/1bd6d7043167c4a97afb7ad82b919aea721ee97f.gif

[dry current]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-werewolf-dancing-werewolf-gif-19105246

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863857535244173322/961566140356784208/unknown.png

[cerulean wagon]

so you are telling me

giant players are foot fetishists?

[storm jungle]

[vast frigate]

[alpine ingot]

Gargant sized Crocs...

[cursive hull]

The sound would be fucking deafening for a person to hear a giant in crocs walking around

[grand minnow]

By sigmar, the gargants posted cringe!

them not liking chaos for the stomping reason is actualy pretty funny tho

[eternal ledge]

Gargant's version of stepping on LEGOS

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/alone-gif-7541357

I love the solitude of the chats when they are in the dead faze.

It let’s me sort through my data libraries

[plush mason]

lol

[broken bridge]

why doesnt the imperium trust AIs?

[brittle nebula]

Three words. Men Of Iron.

[distant fable]

Man, Horus was an actual likable character that I enjoyed in the first Horus heresy book, makes his downfall even more meaningful to me honestly

[storm jungle]

Cliche sci-fi robot rebellion

Its not clear who started it but humans didnt trust A.I after that

[broken bridge]

hmm

if the squat units thing is true i wonder why they didnt turn on them

[storm jungle]

Because its not clear who started the war

And not all the robots were really evil

[brittle nebula]

Artificial intelligence would be changed abominable intelligence

[storm jungle]

there were even some that helped the human federations

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Men_of_Iron

Lexi explains it better

[broken bridge]

oh shit and they can be corrupted by the warp

[brittle nebula]

That’s the theory it’s not exactly confirmed

[broken bridge]

chaos mad ai with a passion for killing humans

[storm jungle]

Yeah but it was on a chaos tainted planet for thousands of years

there was a space-hulk with an A.I on board that was completely fine in another story

[brittle nebula]

And there is a man of iron pretend to be a normal Mechanicus robot (I forgot their name) the guy is quite interesting on his lore.

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/UR-025

[brittle nebula]

That’s the boy

[broken bridge]

casually shits on big e

lmao

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

In his current state maybe but at full strength that’s a complete no.

[broken bridge]

oh i just meant the last line where he calls big e the false omnissiah

[storm jungle]

Yeah lmao

also Horus shat on Big E at full-strenght so

[brittle nebula]

Lol I didn’t know he said that

[brittle nebula]

That’s because Horus had snorted the warp sugar. I don’t think UR-025 could do that.

[broken bridge]

to be fair he got obliterated in return

[brittle nebula]

And that

[crisp heath]

Confirmed in Gaunts Ghosts

[vast frigate]

confirmed before that even

''warp corrupted stcs'' mean the ai is corrupted

[barren tapir]

Not really, that STC was corrupted, but that doesn't mean all STC were

[vast frigate]

basically, a good amount of the stcs during the meme age of technyaligoo were corrupted, but theres many that are fine

[lyric ember]

How do artillery companies work

Like

Do they just not have commisars attached

[storm jungle]

1 sec

[lyric ember]

And how much does their equipment differ?

[storm jungle]

Entirely depends

its 40k so no definite answer exists

[lyric ember]

Cadia

We see them the most anyways

Thats my go-to "how does this work disclaimer not everyone is like them"

[storm jungle]

if the regiment has artillery they are just attached to hte main body

as for Commissars they are just there

they oversee everything

[lyric ember]

I wonder if they're given less ammo than others

Since they probably dont need to execute anyone

[storm jungle]

Again, depends lmao

so probably whatever you imagine in the situation

[lyric ember]

Fair enough

[storm jungle]

Yeah i know its a lazy answer

but its just how the lore is written

[lyric ember]

Nah i get it

[storm jungle]

Yeee its half "We dont wanna go into detail"

and half "this is for homebrew, no need to push players"

[rose thorn]

The. Only thing I like about the space wolves is that their unit hierarchy is super cool and unqiue

Like how scouts are just edgy loner space marines instead of new recruits

[storm jungle]

Close

they got actual "lone wolf" types but thats AFTER their squad gets massacred in a mission and they remain the only ones alive

otherwise iirc their scout companies are practically the same as other Chapters in practice

[short jackal]

is there a higher rest version of this anywhere

prob longshot

[storm jungle]

1 sec

[short jackal]

saint

[storm jungle]

FYI this is technically fan-made but ENTIRELY lore accurate

[cerulean wagon]

varies massivley depending on the regiment

[short jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/bruce-lee-bow-master-smile-gif-12365468

[storm jungle]

also obviously open it in tabs + zoom in

[short jackal]

running a narrative play game and this'll help a ton

[storm jungle]

happy to help!

[cerulean wagon]

i.e. some regiments have basalisks as their artillery, and have hydra batteries in support to stop enemy air counter attacks

artillery isnt always an attachment force either, there are entire regiments that are artillery core, with various auxillary attatchments (i.e. scout infantry or rough riders for forward observers)

basically:
it can be literally anything, because IG are a mix of any and all military doctrines, including new ones made up for the setting

[alpine ingot]

wasn't part of the reason that Imperium does not trust ai also due to the fact that human ai's came to the conclusion after discovering the existence of chaos was to eliminate all sentient life in order to starve the chaos gods out of existence?

[empty current]

not exactly

[brittle nebula]

I’m not sure. The lore is very sparse and vague so we don’t know the exact reason.

[empty current]

AI have done a variety of things in canon

the reason for the Men of Iron revolting is never expounded upon, for the better probably

but the main problem it seems, with most AI, is the fact that AI are easily corruptible by chaos

The AI's soul and its code can be corrupted by chaos and turned to truly horrific ends

[brittle nebula]

Also the machine spirits are technically A.I.

[empty current]

this is not true, in fact AI are said to silence machine spirits in their wake

[plush mason]

treating them like expendable slaves didnt help

[empty current]

while nobody knows exactly what Machine Spirits are, though my personal belief is that they're a spiritual aspect of machines, in an animistic sort of way, like each bolt and cog has a soul, it is known that AI tend to destroy them.

[brittle nebula]

They still are in technicality are warp base A.I.

[empty current]

I think the fact that they're not artificially created precludes them from being AI, more just the will of the machine, or an idealized animism of function.

They're not artificial, and they're not intelligent, a machine spirit is similar to the Platonic idea of Forms.

[brittle nebula]

Yes I agree on that. But it’s a very tangled mess so it’s very hard to explain and understand.

[empty current]

it's an idealized spirit embodying the function of a given component or machine. that's why a machine spirit doesn't talk or speak or act intelligently, but a machine without an engine can keep running on what is essentially faith, because the machine spirit wills it.

[plush mason]

not intelligent?

they speak

and think

and feel

[empty current]

Machine Spirits don't speak, but their level of "intelligence" scales based on the complexity of the machine, and they feel things but feeling doesn't make something intelligent.

plants have emotions

[plush mason]

the old ones do

[real stone]

There's reports of machines continuing to scythe down the enemies of man, even when their entire crew was dead

[plush mason]

yup

[brittle nebula]

Um there was a extremely power titan from the golden age of technology that could speak and move on its own but it was corrupted by chaos and was destroyed

[plush mason]

yup

[empty current]

Titans actually do have AIs, not just machine spirits, that's just one of the many hypocrisies of the mechanicus that allow everything to keep functioning.

[plush mason]

and landraiders?

[empty current]

don't know enough about landraiders

[plush mason]

their machine spirits can drive themselves and fire their weapons

as can knights

hell the spirits of the knights can overtake their pilots and make them into meat suits

[empty current]

but all of this should be couched in the fact that what machine spirits are is not only, highly unclear, but also changes based on the author because Black Library are 90% a bunch of brain dead hacks. So how I view machine spirits, based on everything that I've read and how I see it, is at the end of the day, a head canon, one that I'd like to think is well informed, but there's definitely stuff that conflicts with it out there.

[brittle nebula]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-coBkpCJHC4&feature=share

Go to 6:39 on this vid

[empty current]

I'm not watching a majorkill vid

1, his an obnoxious twat

2, he gets lore wrong all the time

[plush mason]

what youtuber doesnt?

[brittle nebula]

Why not it’s just a vid and it’s the only one I know that mentions that titan

[brittle nebula]

That is very true.

[real stone]

Oculus imperia.

the man's a chad

[plush mason]

he isnt a youtuber he is a god among men

[empty current]

Luetin's probably the best 40k loretuber, but at the end of the day, all loretubers are secondary to the actual books.

[brittle nebula]

I just watch them all. To cross check their research and other things. Most of the time they have very little differences it’s just how they deliver it. Mayor kill = testosterone and swearing. OneMindSyndicate = cold calculated straight to the point.

To name a few

[empty current]

OneMindSyndicate = reads off the wiki
Majorkill = reads off the wiki with an australian accent

[real stone]

Or just 40K Theories

but ok

[plush mason]

also majorkill doesnt hide the fact that he is also a memester and shitposter

[empty current]

it's a shame none of his jokes are funny

[brittle nebula]

That’s the best part.

[plush mason]

the timmy shit is just not needed i agree

[real stone]

I watched on of his videos, and decided he's not for me

[empty current]

the best 40k lore youtubers are:
Oculus Imperia, Luetin09, Tactica Imperialis, and 40k Theories

Arch also has some decent stuff, like his Siege of Vraks and Badab War series, but he comes with a pretty heavy asterisk added. That dude has some pretty outspoken political opinions. Usually keeps it out of his lore vids, but if that turns you off from the idea, then avoid him.

[real stone]

Pretty much what he said

[atomic pelican]

best 40k youtubers:
read the codex
read a book
read the wiki

[empty current]

hey wait a minute

those are youtubers

that's just called no being a secondary

[atomic pelican]

Yeah but you can do it yourself without the grating youtuber

LMAO

[empty current]

why don't you buy some models while your at it

become an actual wargamer

you might as well

[brittle nebula]

I’m saving that

[real stone]

Youtubers bring in their own style and they don't all have a grating voice

[atomic pelican]

Own style of reading the wiki

[real stone]

:l

have you watched oculus imperia?

[plush mason]

same

[atomic pelican]

yes

[real stone]

And you're implying that oculus imperia just reads off of the wiki...

[plush mason]

.............

[real stone]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-hello-darkness-kermit-my-old-friend-drm-gif-9482307

[empty current]

tbh, read the books, because even reading the wiki is dangerous

lots of made up bullshit on there

more than you'd think

[atomic pelican]

Lexicanum has okay editors

Not fandom tho yeah

[empty current]

I should know I've made up bullshit on there before

[atomic pelican]

And Lexi does have some p bad editors

Sometimes

It's why it was 3rd in my list

[real stone]

https://tenor.com/view/brutal-metal-metalocalypse-dethklok-nathan-gif-9219183

[empty current]

I've literally made entire pages for the fandom wiki, where everything on it is bullshit, and every citation linked leads to a fucking art spread, and it goes completely unnoticed.

I used to have some bullshit on lexicanum too, but I was ratted out

[brittle nebula]

This is why I love this discord. I put up just one vid and we got all this shit.

[empty current]

fact is, that not only is it easy, but it is a man's duty to create shitpost articles

[brittle nebula]

Yes

[plush mason]

i mean look at Wikipedia lol

[brittle nebula]

Oh don’t get me started with that.

[plush mason]

lmao

[alpine ingot]

what? you don't like seeing the same sentence repeated about seven times in a row?

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/death-stare-black-snake-moan-samuel-l-jackson-shocked-wide-eye-gif-14648637

Yes

[real stone]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

[alpine ingot]

same, glad we're on the same page.

[alpine ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-jk-penguin-laugh-its-was-a-joke-gif-14574338

[brittle nebula]

I’m glad to hear that. I was about to lay down some hate

And laser fire

[real stone]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-rogaldorn-gif-10829755

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-rogaldorn-gif-10829755

[alpine ingot]

whoever wrote the 40k wiki must have been a serious larper fantasizing what it would be like to be an administratum drone with the sheer amount of padding there is on all of the pages.

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/fun-pet-pet-fun-high-tired-so-tired-gif-24511981

And he was probably on some warp sugar.

[plush mason]

and or wanted to feel like JRR Tolkien lol

[brittle nebula]

You can’t try to replicate that man. His work was to good.

[plush mason]

facts

but why oh why did he go into such minute detail on almost everything?

[alpine ingot]

but it would be comprehensible from the beginning and well thought out if that was the case. This is like the bootleg copy of a bootleg copy.

man just liked world building

[plush mason]

liked?

more like loved

and you cant argue with the results tho

even 40k was influenced by his work

[real stone]

JRR Tolkein or the wiki author?

[plush mason]

Tolkein.

[real stone]

Cause he could, cause he already came up with the languages, because he wanted to.... and uhh.... because he could?

[plush mason]

true

[rose thorn]

we should porbably get a list of tehse (and the lbgqt list) and just make a pinned list of them

[proper helm]

Can.. can tech priests hibernate?

[storm jungle]

I got one for each imperial Adepta

[vapid tiger]

i mean i imagine with crazy enough cybernetics maybe

[lyric ember]

Dreadnoughts can do it, I assume anyone with sufficient cybernetics can do so, not just limited to tech priests

[marsh grail]

Why was Commissar Yarrick allowed to keep and use the Ork power klaw instead of just be given a standard issue arm? Isn’t using xenos tech heresy for anyone but some inquisitors?

Was he able to make the claim that using it would intimidate the orks enough to be a viable deterrent or was he so essential to the defense of the planet no one would question him?

[final spruce]

Because its cool

But yeah, intimidation power
Plus tech-heresy is not uncommon, between the tech priests, rogue traders, inquisitors and their acolytes, rich people

[tawdry bay]

"Inquisitor it has come to our attention that some mad lad is using xeno tech, go tell him to stop" Inquisitor: "f that, it's THE Yarrick"

[marsh grail]

Ok I also suspect that of all xenos factions the orks technology is either equal to or lower than humanity’s level of technology so it doesn’t have any unknown functions so while taboo it’s not all that dangerous or mysterious.

I mean half of it is salvaged or made from imperial tech.

[vast frigate]

See it like this

He is the only known human who can operate an orkoid technological item

Its highly interesting to study

[rose thorn]

I see no reason they can’t! I’m pretty sure skitarri can somewhere. It sounds familiar

No I’m thinking of the crab tanks

[marsh grail]

You mean the 100% accurate portrayal of an old earth animal?

[barren tapir]

TBF he got it reverse tech and adapted for him, but the story of him being capable of using ork tech is better for propaganda

[marsh grail]

The average imperial citizen is as intelligent and gullible as your average r/grimdank user.

[barren tapir]

The onager?

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[vast frigate]

I mean ueah

[rose thorn]

Know what, I don’t play space marines but there should be a terminator chapter master option

[lyric ember]

So people are allowed to invent right?

Like in very very very slow and controlled environments

[vapid tiger]

Invent is not the right term

Iterate is

Because the majority of those who would even be intelligent enough to invent lack the knowledge to do so

[lyric ember]

So thats why new power armor, bolters etc. Is okay?

Such as primaris

[vapid tiger]

I got in a convo irl, didn't finish

[shadow plover]

that and basically their design was started before the worst stagnation

[vapid tiger]

Also invention and iteration is usually heresy and you'll get murdered for it usually

Unless you're a techmarine, radical inquisitor, very high ranking magos, etc and can get around it through bullshit bureaucracy and power flexing

[rose thorn]

Do eldar invent?

[vapid tiger]

Primaris marines are viewed with suspicion by most of the Mechanicus

[rose thorn]

Or are they already perfect with tech

[vapid tiger]

So this stuff actually isn't okay with most of them but they can't deny the results, Cawl is alive due to Guilliman

[lyric ember]

Mhm

[vapid tiger]

Also Cawl is one of the only people in the setting who can actually invent and iterate a shitload due to being a lazy plot device an insane 10k year old archmagos

[lyric ember]

Is it true he has an AI skull

[vapid tiger]

I'm not sure

It's probably an aspect

Though they already have most of what they need

Hell, the little bits of iteration done before Guilliman unveiling the primaris marines and their armory were controversial before if they weren't the product of STC fragments

[lyric ember]

LMAO

[storm jungle]

This.

[vapid tiger]

And the mechanicus screeched after the black templars invented the land raider crusader

[storm jungle]

Eldar don't really need to invent much

they already got basic sci-fi stuff most other media portrays to the max

but its not an explored angle since they are a post-scarcity society

[rose thorn]

Ah okay!

[storm jungle]

Yeee, there isn't really a ban or anything like that.

[rose thorn]

Necrons don’t really invent do they

Same reason?

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are practically at the apex of their technology

but new technology does get introduced with new lore and whatnot, so its a bit of a mix

[shadow plover]

aka when new models drop

[final spruce]

Depends which faction you're playing

[storm jungle]

what Jerk said

[still atlas]

Necrons get a pass for "new technology"

any time new stuff appears, it's "protocols unlocked as authorized by the growing number of tomb worlds awakened", so it isn't "new" so much as "wasn't available until now because reasons"

[storm jungle]

Yeah with the Imperium its just

"Shit, we gotta come up with some new bullshit plot reason uhhh, new STC or something idk."

[alpine ingot]

A good book I like to think of that sums up the mechanicus dislike for progress is Mechanicum.

You want to make logical improvements to this device to better fulfill your job? That's a burning at the stake for you heretic.

[vast frigate]

or cawl and the fabricator general go and fiddle about in the labyrinth again

[alpine ingot]

Gotta make a quick trip to the void dragon to get the cogs turning

Listening to the Traitors and the Aliens audio drama collection and the only part I skip is the Eldar segment on relistens. Because most of it is done by Gav Thorpe and man... it is really painful Listening to Eldar being Ork levels of stupid, also Listening to the Harlequin stories sober a second time should be considered mental torture.

[atomic pelican]

LMAO yeah

Anything gav writes is torment to listen to

Or read

I suggest Path of the Deldar and Masque of Vyle

By andy chambers

Only good eldar books

Not CWE but yeah

Valedor is supposedly good but Ive never read it

[alpine ingot]

it's okay in the end because after debilitating myself on the first listen through it, I was blessed with the absolute masterpiece that was Prophets of the Whaagh

but ever since I've picked up on the aversion of Gav's work here in this discord I've gone back through my audible library just to check and see if I had anything by him that I actually liked... turns out I own only one audio drama written by him... and to be entirely honest I didn't really care to listen to it again after the first time.

[atomic pelican]

If u ever want to hate ur ability to read, get path of the warrior

I read the entire CWE trilogy to know how bad it was

Path of the warrior is the worst of the 3

And thats saying smthing

[crisp heath]

tbh, just waiting that it comes out in german translation, so i can gift it to my ma'

She loves 40k Orks

[alpine ingot]

Hope she likes Evil Suns Mek Boyz

[crisp heath]

For sure! But her favorite are deathskulls :3

[marsh grail]

I feel like that’s just explained by the best stuff necrons have are still buried and asleep and they are just slowly awakening or being discovered. So new old stock.

[dim totem]

why's that?

[crisp heath]

She likes that those orks like parts and are more of a looting clan .

[still atlas]

I've always been a fan of bad moonz but really there isn't a bad choice for work clans

they're all hilarious hulking footie hooligan shroomy bois

[sick bramble]

The emperor was gay

[rose thorn]

Agreed

[storm jungle]

Yeah man this is common knowledge

[rose thorn]

That’s why the dark angels are gay too

Also

So why teh fuck are apparently the fallen so much better then a normal chaos space marine?

They seem to be the exact same

Idk about stats I just mean, like the dark angels don’t seem they need such special treatment?

[alpine ingot]

better how?

if you're asking why the dark angels will torture a bastard for even a hint of information concerning a member of the fallen, that is because the fallen are the dark angels that sided with Luther during the Horus Heresy and turned on the Lion and the rest of the legion.

[rose thorn]

oh

so darka ngels are literally just cooler spac emarines

so the fallen are just cooler chaos space marines

[sleek delta]

heretics

and more heretics

[alpine ingot]

The Fallen are a bit of a secret shame of the Dark Angels history, by that they will kill you without hesitation even if you are an inquisitor if you so much give a hint of recognizing the connection the two share. This tends to lead the Dark Angels being handled rather... poorly.

example: during a banquet celebrating a Imperial war veteran's service in fighting against a chaos influenced rebel hive city, a Dark Angel Sargent executed said veteran( who had maybe months to live due to the damage suffered from the chemical weapons used by said enemy hive) and declared him a traitor to the rest of the banquet, all because he didn't know the space marine that saved him and his fellow troopers was a member of the fallen and not a "proper" Dark Angel.

then there is some Gav Thorpe weirdness in the mix like how Belial uses venom infused ink for his tattoo's for the main reason being that he could "forever remember the shame of his past failures" through the near constant searing pain of the venom.

[plush mason]

dark angels. traitors to a man

[alpine ingot]

Fallen however... usually written a few ways, regretful legionaries that wish to return to their brothers side because they realized they were wrong but can't so they hide in fringe world settlements and protect the regular human citizens from afar. The renegade Legionary fighting for the right for the Astartes to rule themselves completely detached from the rest of the Imperium (at least I view this as A form of the fallen). And then finally you have your Chaos Marine who went full heretic, but he's also an original Dark Angel to boot.

memes and satire doesn't help.

But man do they make you question if they really are here to help at all when they leave mid fight due to Fallen nonsense

[plush mason]

the dark angels go so far to hide their shame that they often end up shaming themselves far worse than the fallen do lol

the fact that there are entire loyalist chapters in the imperium rn that are from traitor legion stock makes the whole fallen thing even more ridiculous to boot

blood angel lore question. when a dreadnought ends up joining the death company do they even know they are in a dreadnought anymore?

[scenic bolt]

idk if thats ever been explored

so idk if theyd imagine themselves as sanguinius in a dreadnought

[plush mason]

lame

also

if the entire chapter of blood angels gave themselves to the rage in the battle of baal how did they cure it?

[storm jungle]

@slow prawn you're up

[alpine ingot]

they didn't all succumb to the black rage, they painted their armor black because they didn't care whether they lived or not, they were all brothers facing the end so there was no need to make distinctions among one another.

and Dante at the end was fighting off the desire to succumb to it so he could at least die as "Dante" and not a blood hungry beast.

as for the Dreadnaught question... no clue

personally I think it's a whole other level of hell they go through compared to the regular members of the death company

[plush mason]

i see thanks

[slow prawn]

Finally, someone had seen the light

[storm jungle]

🙏

[plush mason]

lol

[left sail]

Can anyone explain me what are these enemies on the trailer videos?

My brother plays a lot of total war warhammer, and there are enemies, vampires who look just like these guys, that hound creature is also very familiar to him

But thats Warhammer fantasy, not 40k

[real stone]

So

[left sail]

What race or faction is this

[real stone]

We've got traitor guardsmen

[left sail]

In darktide

[real stone]

who are humans that have turned to the dark powers

[odd sparrow]

The enemies we're fighting in darktide are nurgle zombies. They aren't directly pulled from either warhammer fantasy or tabletop at all

[left sail]

Oh, so that's it?

[real stone]

and MF pox walkers, who are basically zombies

[odd sparrow]

yee. Plague zombies & traitor guardsmen basically

[left sail]

Is that so?

[real stone]

and maybe chaos hound thingys

not sure

[odd sparrow]

Yeah iirc the hounds were based on a 40k mini

forget which tho

[left sail]

I mean they kinda look like rotbloods in fantasy

But i wasnt sure

[real stone]

There's also an "ogryn" champion of nurgle

[left sail]

So its chaos turned evil humans?

[real stone]

It's in the last few seconds of the initial gameplay trailer

yes

That's what chaos do

[left sail]

There is also like a chaod spawn on one of the trailers

[real stone]

Yeah probably

[left sail]

Hmm

Alright then

[real stone]

spawns are pretty much universal between Age of Sigmar and 40K

[left sail]

Age of Sigmar is before End Times right?

[real stone]

Yes

[left sail]

Its the time when all races and nations were at their top

[real stone]

well

[left sail]

I dont really know, I play vermintide and thats a lotta fun

[odd sparrow]

Age of sigmar comes after the end times, it's after the world ends

[real stone]

AOS is the warhammer fantasy, that's the universe that vermintide is in

[left sail]

I mean, when i refer to warhammer fantasy, i dont refer to age of sigmar

I mean age of sigmar came out after the end times

But, canonically age of sigmar takes llace before the end times

Sorry im dumb

[real stone]

But 40K is the more "scientific" one, less "fantasy". They're the ones with Space Marines and Dreadnoughts and spaceships

[left sail]

I know i know

I guess im derailing topic a bit

[real stone]

Nah

[plush mason]

no AOS is the sequel to warhammer fantasy

vermintide is set in the end times

which was the end of fantasy as a setting

[real stone]

https://tenor.com/view/good-job-clapping-leonardo-dicaprio-bravo-great-gif-7248435

[plucky moth]

And the end of story telling consistency

[rose thorn]

Do you think when the nids consume bio mass they eat the soul too?

Or just the flesh and bone

[brittle nebula]

Hmm… I’m not sure. I’ll do some research on that.

[rose thorn]

I feel like that would be a major part of them

Since they don’t really attack daemons because they lack an actual physical form

[cunning wigeon]

soul and all

its the speciality of hive fleet kronos

and they still fight demons

because of demon worlds

the demons themselves can nourish them in warp energy and the planet is still consumable

[storm jungle]

Tyranids dont eat souls, they just kill you

[rose thorn]

Ight so I got 2 different answers

[storm jungle]

They dont eat souls lmao

Kronos is to fight demons, its a special case

them devouring souls as a whole faction would be a point not a lot of people would forget if it was a thing

[barren tapir]

Kronos don't even eat demons, they fight at distance

In fact nids hate demons exactly because they cannot get sustenance

And kronos exist exactly to prevent more worlds to become too much warp contaminated

[rose thorn]

Damn

I think it would be cool if they did eat souls and used them to make more nids but that would be another drop in the bucket at that point.

[storm jungle]

Yeah its not exactly that important to them

[rose thorn]

Damn I just kinda realized that, like the individual nids wouldn’t have souls would they?

[barren tapir]

Souls are not something that can be eat though, souls are nothing more than a connection

[barren tapir]

They kinda have, the hive mind is their sorta soul

But in general they don't really follow the rules of the other races

[rose thorn]

Huh

Idk why when ever I think of the hive mind I think of the mecahnicus in dawn of war apocalypse mod.

Where they have to set up beacons for connections between units

[cunning wigeon]

uh they do kinda eat souls though, thats the whole point of neurothropes and zoanthropes

kronos will even attack aeldari for their spirit stones

if they dont eat souls why would they even bother

and the doom of malan'tai literally got stronger by devouring souls from a craftworlds infinity circuit

unless there is some distinction between soul and life force im not seeing

[cunning wigeon]

and planets that had already fallen to chaos, they home in on energies from deamons and the warp to know where to go

[barren tapir]

No, their whole point is being psychic nids, which might have been developed by eldar DNA

[cunning wigeon]

they literally leach souls

if the term soul leach doesnt imply that said soul is then eaten, much like a leach takes blood for consuption, then i dont know what it means

[barren tapir]

The don't leach souls

The only one that did so was the doom of malan'tai

And tbf, that lore is kinda sus, since consuming psychic energy is not unheard of, but cannot really give biological sustenance, but with enough psychic power you can kinda ignore biological functions

So, it would be less, eating a soul, and more using that psychic energy to ignore biological limitations

[cunning wigeon]

well to clarify neurothropes dont from living targets, thats only zoanthropes, but they both leech life force from the dead to power their huge minds

they do so to stop their craniums literally exploding under the psychic pressure they are under

but kronos do the same thing to daemons, their whole role is to root out corrupted planets or planets falling to corruption and devour them so that the milky way as a whole remains easily edible to the other fleets

[barren tapir]

The raw matter of Chaos offers no nourishment to Tyranids, and this is why the Hive Fleets normally avoid areas plagued by Warp Storms and Daemonic activity. This has become more difficult, as the impure essence of the Warp increasingly pours from the Great Rift and across the galaxy. This has caused vital resources to be denied to the Hive Fleets and Kronos appears to be the Hive Mind's solution to this problem.

[cunning wigeon]

Hive Fleet Kronos is a minor Tyranid hive fleet splintered off from Hive Fleet Leviathan in the Era Indomitus and adapted by the Hive Mind specifically to battle the forces of Chaos in an attempt to maintain the viability of the Milky Way Galaxy's biomass for consumption and prevent it from being corrupted by the Warp.

[barren tapir]

Yeah, that is what i said

They don't feed upon demons, they try to prevent demons from corrupting edible food

[cunning wigeon]

yeah, and use the psychic energy from demons to keep their large amount of thropes from burning out

Neurothropes are further evolved versions of the standard Zoanthrope. These alpha beasts have the ability to leech the very life force from their foes to power their attacks. There are some who belief the Neurothrope strain to be the progeny of the Doom of Malan'tai, which is a truly horrifying concept for all sentient races.[7]

Neurothropes can also use their parasitic power to heal nearby Zoanthropes, which helps to safeguard against the overload of psychic energy that commonly overwhelms these creatures. A combined host of these psychic bioforms is a formidable threat indeed.

[barren tapir]

No, they have the hive mind and shadow in the warp for that

Due to its strong connection to the Hive Mind, when Hive Fleet Kronos travels the Shadow in the Warp is at its most suffocatingly powerful and drifts ahead of its invasion swarms. This null power is agonising to psychically active foes and drains their spirit energy to bolster Kronos' own hosts, while throwing enemy forces into fearful confusion.

[cunning wigeon]

Despite their power, however, Zoanthropes sometimes seem to be victims of their own massive energy reserves and there have been numerous afteraction reports of Zoanthropes “burning out” in battle. Their craniums have been observed to burst and bleed out, sending them crashing limply to the ground. Psykers who have witnessed these events liken it to the perils of the warp which normal psykers can suffer when psychic energy overloads their minds.

[barren tapir]

Yeah, that happen to psykers lol... Too much energy and the head go boom

[cunning wigeon]

yeah which is why they have this

[barren tapir]

Or splat i guess

[cunning wigeon]

like in the 9th edition tome for nids it mentions that kronos attacked an aeldari patrol and devoured their spirit stones

[barren tapir]

Indeed, neurothropes are just experienced zoanthropes, which help the lesser organism from wasting their biomass

[barren tapir]

Soul stone are like batteries

[cunning wigeon]

with what in them exactly?

[barren tapir]

Batteries of psychic energy

An eldar in a soul stone cannot connect to the warp, that is why they are used, but they preserve the strong will of the eldar

So, in that sense, the soul (connection) is lost, but the energy is kept, and since eldar are such psychic race their energy is also part of their will, or their being more in general

[cunning wigeon]

it also mentions in the 9th edition tome that hive fleet kronos leaves their victims "soul-blasted husks"

which implies the soul was siphoned by the body

[barren tapir]

Psychic energy can consume you like fire

[cunning wigeon]

which fits the description of the abilities of the neurothropes

[barren tapir]

They can for sure siphon psychic energy, but the soul is your connection to the warp

Not your psychic energy

[cunning wigeon]

so there is no correlation between soul and psychic energy? 🤨

[barren tapir]

There is, but they are not the same thing

[cerulean wagon]

your souls is your manifestation in the warp

its not directly warp energy, but it is affected by it

[rose thorn]

Okay here’s the best way to answer this

[storm jungle]

Also

[rose thorn]

Had someone that was killed by and eaten by a tryanid

[storm jungle]

Zoanthropes dont eat souls

they are literally walkign batteries

[rose thorn]

Ever been resurrected

[storm jungle]

that shoot lightning

Zoanthropes are a species of Tyranid created solely to harness the potential psychic power of the Hive Mind, in effect a type of psychic artillery used in Tyranid planetary invasions and a synapse creature used to relay the commands of the Hive Mind to lesser creatures

[barren tapir]

ZZzzzAPP

[storm jungle]

or well just floating command-bugs

[barren tapir]

Floating relays of commands and batteries

[rose thorn]

Let’s talk about the second coolest named nid

Lictor

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99810106003_LictorNEW01.jpg

THEY ARE SO FUCKING COOOOL

[cerulean wagon]

zoans are my fav ngl

[rose thorn]

All nids are cool

But red eye is too cool to be over looked

One eye*

[cerulean wagon]

one eye is neat but kinda odd

glad he fuckin mercs SM

[rose thorn]

I should probably read lictor’s lore

[cunning wigeon]

currect me if im wrong but isnt it a lictor?

deathleaper is the named one

and the hive tyrant that baits out knights is my favourite

just makes use of their need to be heroes against them

[cerulean wagon]

the named hive tyrant is old one eye

[cunning wigeon]

?

one eye is a carnifex

[rose thorn]

Oh I thought lictor was a named nid my bad

God I’d kill for a new lictor model

[cunning wigeon]

same, there are some good fan ones though

[cerulean wagon]

oh ye

[rose thorn]

I’m planning on making a nid fleet based off an inside joke between my friends

SNEAKY NIDDDDSSSSSSSSSS

[cerulean wagon]

i mix fex n tyrant up a lot

[rose thorn]

They are nids that look like trees

And the bigger nid’s branches are gonna have fake birds which are just tiny feathered nids

[plush mason]

so did the ultramarines change their name after they found their primarch or no? and if so what where they called before

[rose thorn]

It was something really badass I remember

Like the war masters or something

[plush mason]

lol

[alpine ingot]

It was the War-Born

[rose thorn]

Yah im pretty sure they were super well known for being like

Hyper violent

And unorganized

[plush mason]

so the exact opposite of what they are now?

[rose thorn]

Yeah

I remember the uh

Death guard being cool

They were dusk warriors

And attacked at

Fucking disk

Dusk

[storm jungle]

Its very deep

[barren tapir]

That is what a driller would say

[plush mason]

LMAO

https://tenor.com/view/myth-busters-c4-explosion-when-in-doubt-gif-14612449

nah drillers say this

[real stone]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/560386382170947594/924482527081664522/IMG_4944.gif

[eternal ledge]

Driller doesn't say anything. He just throws it

[lyric ember]

So what was that really tall custodes dude in the mechanicus tts episode

The one that was acting like a stripper for the skitarii

[brittle nebula]

He was a dreadnought that went… how should I put this… oiled gay muscle boy mode.

[plush mason]

he also isnt canon at all

[brittle nebula]

Sadly yes

[lyric ember]

Im sorry

The custodes have dreadnoughts?

[brittle nebula]

Yes

Big powerful ones too

[lyric ember]

I'm guessing that they're 100x better than regular dreadnoughts

[brittle nebula]

Yes with more good

[lyric ember]

This is dumb

[brittle nebula]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=fkVyAWmrZhg&feature=share

[lyric ember]

Im going to bed

[brittle nebula]

You won’t be able to if you watch this

[lyric ember]

My room is pitch black im not watching auspex

And i dont play tabletop yet anyways

[smoky mauve]

They're also expensive to purchase. Forgeworld minis are.. ahh... pricey lmao

[marsh grail]

Lore accurate

[vast frigate]

Lorewise they are literal mech suits

Except for the custodian entombed part, thats not usually done with mechs

[cerulean wagon]

dw you get used to it

custodes are terrible, and most of their fanbase reflects that

space marines with more invulns and the ability to just flat ignore wounds

very fun

(this is sarcasm)

+2 vehicles that don't degrade

egh

[vast frigate]

Theyre hot tho

[cerulean wagon]

k

[storm jungle]

No joke

Im actually scared how elitist their fanbase is

half of their subreddit posts include crying about harlequins killing them during the palace incursion in the War of the Beast

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/578484779331354624/959544904801984562/unknown.png?width=524&height=607

[cerulean wagon]

yup

its the refined essence of the sweaty space marine fanboy

which is to say, you can gild a turd but its still a turd at the end of the day

[storm jungle]

LOL

also yeah they beat marine fans in the level of arrogance they display in virtually everything

I remember the GSC/Custodeeznuts boxset coming out and r/40klore was riddled with "CUSTODES CAN BEAT GSC EASILY AND DESTROY TERRA IF THEY MUST!11!" posts

like okay, chill

[cerulean wagon]

space marines are elitest enough as it is

elitest SM factions are just aweful

thanks 30k

[storm jungle]

lmfao

[plucky moth]

don't even care about custodes lore, just think golden armour is fuck ugly

sorry Emps but ur tacky af bruv

[storm jungle]

damn

⚰️

[cerulean wagon]

hes right

[plucky moth]

tfw used vicious mockery to tell an eldarin they're tacky in our D&D campaign and he summoned a black hole on top of me

twice

Ultramarine blue is also ugly when used as a base colour instead of an accent

[cerulean wagon]

yes

facts

[vast frigate]

its not even the pretty gold

its the piss gold

[storm jungle]

god

you had to say it

now i cant unsee it

[final spruce]

I remember you helping with rereading that 40klore post

Too bad the only thing that works there are SM extracts

[storm jungle]

God

yeah i still got that post at hand

amazing how nobody really gave a shit about it

should have put in a HH excerpt in there

that would have gotten more attention

[final spruce]

Too bad because it was some neat lore

[storm jungle]

Yeah i agree

but oh well

[plush mason]

atleast its not canary yellow like the fists

i love the fists but hate hate hate their colors

if you are going to paint your giant super soldiers like a sorts car atleast pick a good sports car color

[dim totem]

like polka dots

[plush mason]

LOL

[shadow plover]

Ultramarine blue is a great colour

[plush mason]

its ok

[plucky moth]

yea the full tonka truck yellow is gross lmao

[alpine ingot]

violent construction noises intensifies

[crisp heath]

People here are almost as toxic towards the guys they are ranting about

[dim totem]

are we shitting on peoples paintjobs again for no reason

[storm jungle]

Nah

just custodes fans

[crisp heath]

Some*

[storm jungle]

Most*

[cerulean wagon]

we haven't been racist or called anyone subhuman yet, think we're good

[storm jungle]

LOL

Imperial Stan moment

[crisp heath]

lol xD

[storm jungle]

ngl im surprised we havent gotten any yet

just a matter of time i guess

[crisp heath]

i can fill that spot, wait-

"Oh MY God, The iMpERiUM Is ThE besT iN 40K. WE are aCTUAlly THE gooD GUyS. all thE OtHEr RACES aRE crinGE11!!!!"

[storm jungle]

NOOO

[crisp heath]

hope that's good enough. More and i have to shoot myself

[storm jungle]

[alpine ingot]

see I balance my Imperial love with an equal love of the other factions. Except dark eldar, I love to hate those filthy little sweat gremlins.

[storm jungle]

Honestly its not about balance

like

just dont be an asshole or an actual fascist lmao

[crisp heath]

this

[alpine ingot]

they're just creepy little fuckers and that's what I like about them

[storm jungle]

Yeah that too, nobody really has to like a faction though

its more about these guys saying shit like servitors are necessary

which is lmao

[crisp heath]

Like, sometimes i also rp. But people who are seriously* like "We need this, this is good" are kinda

bad

[storm jungle]

Yeaaaaah

[alpine ingot]

there needs to be a Hive city sim where if you fail at managing your city the game over screen is you being turned into a servitor

[barren tapir]

I still remember the person that said that we had to wait a year or two but the imperium would become a reality

That was a very dumb take

[crisp heath]

Hive City Sim. We just turn the concept around. Instead of starting on a grim note and getting positive time over time, it starts somewhat positive and goes to absolute shit.

Goal of the game: Build a city and make everyone miserable

[crisp heath]

I mean, our world is dystopian. but not THAT kind of bad xD

[dim totem]

thats how i play most management sim games

[final spruce]

Rping is fine, we have had people be really cringe about it, you are good Max lmao

[dim totem]

not on purpose im just bad at them

[crisp heath]

Ayo, thanks man 😳

[crisp heath]

Me too

i just barely won the Frost Punk Story

[dim totem]

i didnt

[crisp heath]

It's just so hard

[dim totem]

they threw me out

[storm jungle]

Starvation Moment

🥩

[crisp heath]

Happened to me like 5 times before my "victory"

[barren tapir]

I still need to try frostpunk

[dim totem]

sometimes i wonder what my manager at work does

then i remember she has not had any team members starve to death or she hasnt been lynched yet

so shes probably better at this whole management thjng than i am

[barren tapir]

Frostpunk being used as a way to test new managers would be quite intriguing

[alpine ingot]

always get sawdust to fill in peoples meals

[crisp heath]

xD

[alpine ingot]

they might complain, but at least they won't be starving

[barren tapir]

I remember that some videogames were in fact used to test management skills and other stuff

[brittle nebula]

Can’t wait for the second

[dim totem]

really.

[dim totem]

what game

[alpine ingot]

also child labor, lazy little shits can work in the mines and the scrap yards like the rest of us

[crisp heath]

Can't wait to get executed in an oil tank in FP2

[barren tapir]

I might be misremembering, but it was a sim city thing

[dim totem]

like when people out wow raiding guild leader on their cv

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-fire-burn-flame-gif-5042503

[dim totem]

could be but

i fail to see how like

cities skylines is any indication

[barren tapir]

No no, not that

It was older

I think it was simcity

[dim totem]

“congratulations you found the exploit to success”

you are hired

[alpine ingot]

you guys should try your hand at Industries of Titan

[barren tapir]

It was more about decision making and how they would balance internal strife and conflicts

[dim totem]

man i can barely even play anno 1404 on easy mode without the peasants being revolting

[brittle nebula]

Don’t go the way of religion it’s addicting

[alpine ingot]

Try Kingdoms and Castle, haven't played the newest update that came out a while ago that added ai kingdoms but there is a lot of ways to build and improve your kingdom

also you had the ability to build multiple cities and set up trade ports

[rose thorn]

Okay so

Tell me if I have any dark angels lore wrong

So Lion was the first to be made but around the 4th to be found, he was super spiteful of Russ and fulgrim because he believed he was the true heir of the emperor. One of his closest (commanders? Some high ranking mofo) joined Horus and took half of the dark angels with him. Lion got fucking TKOd into a coma. And now dark angels are trying to get the forgiveness of the imperium for the betrayal they didn’t commit?

[brittle nebula]

Yes the lion was the first to be made. He did not betray the Imperium. He was the first to be found (I think). The Dark Angels ain’t in bad blood with the imperium they jealousy guard the fact that they had some who betrayed.

He went on a big fuck you run when he found out some had gone traitor by blowing up their planets.

He makes the Necrons look clam at that. He become the god lord of all salt lords when he did that.

[storm jungle]

@slow prawn

[brittle nebula]

I forgot we had him here.

[rose thorn]

Old faithful

Idk why I keep struggling to follow the dark angels lore

[brittle nebula]

They are confusing sometimes so I understand.

[slow prawn]

Yep, that’s basically it

[rose thorn]

Huh

[slow prawn]

Lion sent all the commanders who displeased him, including his oldest friend Luther, on Caliban. Then, after the Thramas Crusade which the Dark Angels beat the shit out of the Night Lords and a brief stint in Ultramar with the Ultramarines and the Blood Angels, Lion split up his legion, and started going on an extinction level crusade against traitor worlds, because he couldn’t get to Terra

[lyric ember]

"Extinction level" as in he just wiped out the worlds, he was pissed off, exterminatus?

[slow prawn]

Yep, pretty much

Including tractor worlds like Chemos and Barbarus

[lyric ember]

Tractor?

[slow prawn]

Shoot, traitor

Damn autocorrect

[lyric ember]

very funny

[ashen lake]

i actually misclicked the first time

[plush mason]

anyone know what the scale ratio of the minis are?

[shadow plover]

the forgeworld minis? about 1/60 or 28mm

all of 40k is "heroic scale"

and it's a bit stretchy, accuracy depends on the mini

[plush mason]

the pic above are the titan "minis" for the apoc game mode lol

[shadow plover]

yes normal 40k scale, then there are the smaller GW produced Adeptus Titanicus minis with way smaller scale

[plush mason]

A Warlord Titan was also listed as approximately 33 metres (110 feet) tall according to the scale diagram in the Warhammer 40,000: Apocalypse rulebook. Other accounts have stated it to be as large as 200 metres (656 feet). Depictions of the Warlord in Imperial artwork are even less consistent, sometimes showing it to be hundreds of metres tall.

can GW's teams agree on anything?

[shadow plover]

It can easily be accounted on unreliable narrator in the books

but yes there is a lot of leeway

[plush mason]

Emperor Titans are very rare, and can crush many weaker war engines. This type of Titan has legs so large they can house a full company of Adeptus Mechanicus or Astra Militarum troops for defence and assault assistance. These Titans can stand up to 150 metres (approximately 492 feet) tall.

imagine being the poor sods in there lol

[vast frigate]

theres an actual confirmed scale chart

theyre notmuch taller than half the statue of liberty according to it

[brittle nebula]

Didn’t we have a discussion about this yesterday?

[vast frigate]

idunnoi

[brittle nebula]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YO8RT7MT8jM&feature=share

I can’t tell if that was a hill or mountain.

[plush mason]

the tau are one of the main disconnects with titan lore and scale

[brittle nebula]

very much so

[plush mason]

they build war machines easily as big as an imperial titan so there is just no way they are in disbelief they exist due to size

[brittle nebula]

the biggest one I think they have seen is the... what is titan bigger then a warhound?

[plush mason]

reaver

[brittle nebula]

thats it

in the exodite show

[plush mason]

i mean the manta drop ship is way way bigger than even the warlord class

[plush mason]

no there was a warlord

[brittle nebula]

there was? i havent see it

its probably in the background or somthing

[plush mason]

the one that got swarmed by the crises suits

was a warlord iirc

[brittle nebula]

hmm its saying the titan that destroyed the manta is a warlord... it looks like a heaver class of reaver

[plush mason]

cuz thats what they are

[brittle nebula]

ohh i was thinking of the warbringer nemisis class titan

[signal hill]

It's gw, they dunno Shit about physics and numbers

[brittle nebula]

yes

[plush mason]

yeah it sure seems that way

[signal hill]

It is
According to multiple Accounts the missle of a melta has the surface temperture of a sun
Besides the Point that that delivers a very wide temperture range, depending in the sun, there's No way anyone could use that without beeing instantly incinerated along several kilometers Landscape that get turned to slag

[plush mason]

lol yup

[shadow plover]

well no, a small enough concentration of heat doesn't burn everything in that large of an area, white phosphorous burns almost as hot as the surface of our sun and it doesn't burn everything at eyeshot

[plush mason]

arent melta weapons sub atomic?

[storm jungle]

this applies to IRL as well

im sure you can actually kill a person with a manta ""mini""

[plush mason]

yup

[storm jungle]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pE8bCRwQxf4/maxresdefault.jpg

jesus christ

[plush mason]

so why the hell would the tau think titans cant exist?

[storm jungle]

Probably lore disconnect again

[plush mason]

yup

[storm jungle]

its important to assume the person writing this just went

"Hm i should add that in"

[vast frigate]

the worst thing is about that ship

it can physically fit

4 devilfish, 100 troops and a fuckton of battlesuits

and yes, the interior is modelled

[plush mason]

thats it

[storm jungle]

I just looked that up

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3c/1e/59/3c1e59a8394901fc6b8e55ff5896dc36.jpg

OH MY GOD THEY'RE SO CUTE

LOOK AT THEM

[vast frigate]

YEP

They dont know what theyre going to face

[plush mason]

lol

[vast frigate]

The tau, using a heavy drop ship to safely escort payloads of troops to the surface

[brittle nebula]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-bBy0PQ0GCU&feature=share

[vast frigate]

The imperium: HIGH VELOCITY CONTAINER

[brittle nebula]

gents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[storm jungle]

Dorktide 👀

[vast frigate]

DONKTIT

[plush mason]

afaik a conveyer class transport is little more than a flying box lol

[vast frigate]

it is

[storm jungle]

Let me get the chart

[vast frigate]

literally a flying box

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/568118870913581080/770448852514897930/db6xezl-5a793fc0-6a1b-4648-ae06-0ddead7030c5.png

RIGHT, time to find it

🔎

[vast frigate]

got it

[storm jungle]

Nice

[brittle nebula]

the stream so far has nothing yet on darktide im still watch through it but right now they are talking to the main person who created the latest trailer

[vast frigate]

the stream is 4 days old

[plush mason]

kekw

[brittle nebula]

yes but it just showed up on YouTube i dont have twitch

F its just fatshark being fatshark they didnt say anthing

[storm jungle]

Good.

[plush mason]

lol

[shadow plover]

Honestly I don't think it unbelievable that the Tau think the titans unbelievable, making a flying plate of a troop transport is one thing but creating a walking castle of similar size with considerably more mass (assumed, but very likely) capable of withstanding that mass with one leg at times and being able to carry city destroying arsenal with it is one whole another ordeal of engineering when the biggest Tau walker is waist height (head if guns count) of a Warlord titan

but all in all looking at 40k lore with too critical of an eye is never a good idea, which I am doing right now

[plush mason]

you literally just said they make walkers almost the size of a warlord

[shadow plover]

it's a lot smaller