Leave me doing a life of an scum who work for the Inquisition 😢
#40k-lore-chat
weak fern
frosty cobalt
Still a part of the system
prime kernel
Compared to living in nazi germany. Im more then ok to just pay taxes and go to church every sunday
turbid cosmos
yea, there is some suspension of belief required i think to liking the universe as a whole.
Its kinda human to want to pick a side, and to pick a side in warhammer you are picking an evil at some level.
regarding the Imperium apologists
frosty cobalt
Yea thats why i pick the Tau and headcanon the most morally black tau i can
To fuck with everyone 🤣
storm jungle
The Imperium is still bad
turbid cosmos
it is
storm jungle
id get shot in the head for doing anything wrong
atomic pelican
You can pick near any choice beyond imperial and end up being better off 
prime kernel
@storm jungle its 40k dil
storm jungle
what Proud said
prime kernel
Course it is
storm jungle
nobody living in the Imperium really has a choice
unless you are heavily indoctrinated
atomic pelican
Even CSM are somehow written as being more reasonable than loyalists p often
storm jungle
which a lot of the masses are
atomic pelican
Fuck, ANGRON, recognizes the emperor as a slaver
prime kernel
Even CSM are somehow written as being more reasonable than loyalists p often
Unless your with nightlords.
Then its worse
So much worse
Soooooo fucking worse
frosty cobalt
Unless your with nightlords.
Flaying by SoB is about the same tho
weak fern
Imperium Crime describle the horror of Imperium really good
turbid cosmos
hahaha maybe? maybe not - the imperium is the most obviously bad to us because its portraying a human experience.
Maybe if we were space elves we would see Eldar as truly evil compared to our contemporary moden society not being depicted in warhammer 40k
turbid cosmos
haha okay so like
prime kernel
At the end of the day lets all agree that no one would wanna live in the 42 milenium.
Period
weak fern
I dont want to live in 40k just all XD
atomic pelican
The eldar are based on human experiences because they were written by humans. They are not truly all that alien
storm jungle
Pretty much yeah.
frosty cobalt
Goes for everything
proper helm
I come back and see that
atomic pelican
Same for the tau, their 'alien' ness is rlly just british views on foreigners
frosty cobalt
hahaha maybe? maybe not - the imperium is the most obviously bad to us because i...
I kinda see what ur trying to say, but i dont think the writers ment it like that
storm jungle
Same for the tau, their 'alien' ness is rlly just british views on foreigners
LMAO
Japan Moment
frosty cobalt
Same for the tau, their 'alien' ness is rlly just british views on foreigners
But muh gun boat diplomacy
storm jungle
Enclave To'yota where you at
prime kernel
Still like mah shovel boys
frosty cobalt
I have the Bla’k Wat’er cadre
prime kernel
And cain
frosty cobalt
XD
prime kernel
Because fuck me do i love cain
turbid cosmos
mr Commisar Cain?
prime kernel
Yeee
prime kernel
His book series makes me laugh so hard
atomic pelican
Also hard disagree. Living as say, a interior sept Tau or a unnamed craftworld eldar is probably leagues better than irl
LMAO
ESP CWE
storm jungle
Craftworld Eldar basically live in utopias
frosty cobalt
Also hard disagree. Living as say, a interior sept Tau or a unnamed craftworld e...
Oh yea by fuckin far
atomic pelican
Since its legit luxury space communism
storm jungle
THEY DONT PAY MONEY FOR ANYTHING
atomic pelican
Post scarcity
YEAH
And if ur a interior sept tau. Ur living p much a safe sci fi life
turbid cosmos
yea they do have it good. I really enjoyed the uhm Exarch book that gives some good looks into it.
atomic pelican
Assuming not fire caste
Yeah but they all carry soulstones
On a craftworld
When they die, they go to their circuit and dance with spirits
frosty cobalt
And if ur a interior sept tau. Ur living p much a safe sci fi life
Just with lil freedom to choose a path in life, but who cares about that when i have a drone doggo
storm jungle
atomic pelican
Yepp
prime kernel
Also hard disagree. Living as say, a interior sept Tau or a unnamed craftworld e...
Or a dark eldar noble
prime kernel
If your ontop
atomic pelican
Still stress of being assassinated at any moment
storm jungle
Dark eldar life is horrible though, basically imagine high school but people got the permissin to stab you
prime kernel
You call the shots
frosty cobalt
If ur not vect ur not happy
storm jungle
literally all your underlings are jealous of you and want to kill you
minus the incubi
those are bros
atomic pelican
However you do have the boon of respawning pretty likely + experiencing the limits of eldar emotion. But also the likelihood of being killed in Kabal treachery
frosty cobalt
However you do have the boon of respawning pretty likely + experiencing the limi...
What’s wrong with a lil violent intrigue between the lads
XD
atomic pelican
I think the best place to be in Drukhari society is probably to be either a wrack, or better, a haemonculi
They seem to enjoy their time
And are the most trustworthy drukhari
Other than incubi
frosty cobalt
They just want to graft
atomic pelican
Since the Covens tend to be more occupied with learning twisted secrets than betrayal(usually)
turbid cosmos
are there any good books from the Deldar perspective?
atomic pelican
GRAFT
atomic pelican
are there any good books from the Deldar perspective?
Yes, likely the best eldar books too
Path of the dark eldar
frosty cobalt
If i could choose id be a haemonculi or a tau water/fire caste. Might not be the best life but it be fun
turbid cosmos
id love to know more about uhm. will def get that and give it a read.
proper helm
Dark Eldar Ancapistan, also known known as Commoragh
atomic pelican
Tru
frosty cobalt
Shame they nixxed the spinal tap for battlesuits im still mad about that
turbid cosmos
crumpinnnnnn
turbid cosmos
bein a weirdboy could be pretty interesting
alpine ingot
It's all fun and games till the weird boy has a ead bang episode
Then it's really interesting
spice orchid
being a techpriest on mars seems like a cushy job
weak fern
For me being a scum who being recruted by Inquisition (Radical soft) could be ok
storm jungle
CIA Moment
prime kernel
being a techpriest on mars seems like a cushy job
till you realize theirs an eldritch dragon god right beneath you
vapid tiger
Be ogryn
spice orchid
vapid tiger
Be big enough to beat the shit out of space marines and then do your best to join the guard since those ogryns aren't treated like shit
prime kernel
Be ogryn
and get beaten the snot out of by your boss and cry like a baby just wanting master to stop hitting you.
vapid tiger
and get beaten the snot out of by your boss and cry like a baby just wanting mas...
Hey that's every imperial citizen
even marines
spice orchid
primaris ogryn
prime kernel
its worse with ogryn.
they just wanna help
theirs no evil taughts in their brain. nothing they do is malicious and they still get treated like shit.
vapid tiger
vapid tiger
theirs no evil taughts in their brain. nothing they do is malicious and they sti...
They can be as malicious as anyone else
prime kernel
Its like being a kid with down syndrome and also being strong enough to toss a dump truck.
vapid tiger
They're just uh
Not smart
And therefore more innocent
Same applies to fantasy ogres but fantasy ogres are cursed with eternal hunger by a hungry god and thus inherently malicious
Reminder that marine disciplinary troops have never been retconned
They will beat the shit out of you
alpine ingot
ah yes discipline troops... such a time honored station in first founding chapters like the Space Wolves.
just.... pay no mind to how they handle their blood claws or sky claws
vapid tiger
Ya
Like they might be childlike in intellect without augmentation but children can be fucking evil
there's chaos ogryns who will tear you apart and make it as painful as possible because they like the sound you make
there's ogryns who might bully you
It's not all "wholesome ogryn and commissar!" crap
though i am looking forward to playing the ogryn in dt
prime kernel
You make a good point
vagrant osprey
I'm looking forward to playing a villain protagonist without guilt because there's also a villain antagonist.
storm jungle
rip
storm jungle
vapid tiger
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/578608448732921857/958206085720834118/164...
farded
shidded, even
still atlas
shell pebble
Lore question: have we ever seen a normal human guardsman ever ascend to daemonhood?
It feels as though you never see traitor guard ever get anywhere substantial
storm jungle
Yeah they were sleeper agents prior to it
rose thorn
Damn I love traitor guard so much
No clue why
They feel so cool for being literally normal dudes who literally are worth less then dust to their gods
shell pebble
Anyone can rise to daemonhood
I know anyone can rise to daemonhood but have we seen specific instances of normal traitor guard rising up the ranks to daemonhood?
Because I feel like there's little to none that I know of
cerulean wagon
welcome to 40k
guard in all forms are cool
cause they are the smallest people who can make the biggest impact
rose thorn
Exactly
vapid tiger
like the tabletop i mean
Lost and the Damned were a thing once
For like
A year
Then dropped
For seemingly little reason
crisp heath
I have a lore question agian guys
So i am reading Gaunts Ghosts. In german.
And at one point they say something along the lines of "The runes where flying over the screen". So, is runes a new word for letters, or are they a own thing themselfs?
Or is it just called like this in the german version?
barren tapir
So i am reading Gaunts Ghosts. In german.
And at one point they say something ...
Depend, are those eldar runes or imperial one?
crisp heath
Yes
storm jungle
Yeah computer runes
those are a thing
its mostly used in the context to make the computer-usage seem ancient and old-timey
real stone
Binaric
crisp heath
Depend, are those eldar runes or imperial one?
Imperial
storm jungle
So its really not that different
barren tapir
Then it is used to indicate arcane symbols that the guy cannot comprehend fully, so rune
storm jungle
they use weird terms to describe cogitator functions all the time
cerulean wagon
So i am reading Gaunts Ghosts. In german.
And at one point they say something ...
Symbols or letters, yes
crisp heath
Ahhh, so rune is a funky word for people who don't know better?
storm jungle
No lmao
cerulean wagon
its also used as a term for buttons in the setting
crisp heath
Ahhhhh
cerulean wagon
(activation runes on power swords)
storm jungle
Same as how they dont call "lumens" lights
plush mason
"yes lets use the ancient Scandinavian runic writing for our computers" -some fool in the DAOT maybe 😛
cerulean wagon
nameless you say that like the main language they use isn't latin
crisp heath
So Runes = Letters so it sounds more ancient
plush mason
nameless you say that like the main language they use isn't latin
im just joking lol
barren tapir
So Runes = Letters so it sounds more ancient
And more arcane
storm jungle
Yep
for example
in books instead of saying "Necrons pressed this button"
they just go
"Necrons pressed this glyph"
its usually fancy wording
crisp heath
Understood. Thanks guys! 😁😊
storm jungle
vapid tiger
so it sounds futuristic
I mean it sounds less futuristic and more like
Old
Because space fantasy
storm jungle
Eh same thing
grand minnow
in books instead of saying "Necrons pressed this button"
You do the opposite for orks
"He push da big red fing
plush mason
that console isnt nearly orky enough. every ork knows the weapons are all fired from the big button with the skull on it
vast frigate
yes
plush mason
i want this console
vast frigate
plush mason
https://orientalsouls.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/JSamuraiHelmet06-1.jpg my helmet is a fish so your argument is invalid
grand minnow
Got dat lip gloss doe
vast frigate
https://orientalsouls.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/JSamuraiHelmet06-1.jpg my h...
here we see sergeant RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHG, giving direct orders to hold the line
but since the dog ranks higher than your hat, your argument is invalid
plush mason
actually the fish helmet is only worn by lords and generals so it outranks the dog
vast frigate
Im sorry i couldnt hear you OVER THE DOG
Even chaos marines are looking over to see whats going on
plush mason
not the emperor's children i hope
vast frigate
im afraid theyre all looking
plush mason
it was nice knowing you
rose thorn
Lost and the Damned were a thing once
I MISS THEM SO MUCHHHHHHHH
spice orchid
it took me way too long to realize "rune of activation" literally just means a power button
spice orchid
indeed
ruby pine
You know, I think I can honestly imagine a Commissar unironically saying "Executions will continue until morale improves."
real stone
Depends on the Commissar
Some of them are just complete pricks
Others, are more understanding
spice orchid
and trigger happy commissars tend to die to ork snipers from behind
real stone
or somethin.
potent swift
astral isle
some
i liked eisenhorn
everyone liked gaunt's ghosts
everyone liked the infinite and the divine
brittle nebula
Best book ever i my opinion
astral isle
i heard twice dead king was good but i haven't read it yet
vapid tiger
everyone liked the infinite and the divine
Some guy seethed about it being "terrible" in another community a few months ago which was funny
proceeded to shill space marine battles books
and hh novels
space marine fans b like
astral isle
"you know i feel like gw really hasn't been give the space marines enough attention"
atomic pelican
Big fan of the ork slapping the back of his gun to shoot
rare nimbus
proper helm
The ideal way to fire a gun
if you can't see exactly how much it recoils, what's the ~~fucking ~~ zoggin' point?
astral isle
a true gun connaisseur
proper helm
The padded look for their armor is interesting considering how it's generally portrayed as a slab of scrap metal bent into shape elsewhere
with maybe squig hide overalls under it
brittle nebula
Perhaps
rose thorn
The ideal way to fire a gun
My favorite is the one in fucking wrap around sunglasses
‘When ya got a zoggin wah at 8 but gotta get to jazz practice at 9
proper helm
Orks are just the best
I'll always love the Guard, but Orks are just the most fun faction in 40k
atomic pelican
genuinely one of the best factions to play against as well on the tabletop
In terms of Fun Value
Perhaps It's personal preference, but cutting through chaff always feels more fun than not
Especially when said chaff could pretty likely throttle you as well
proper helm
You can see the impact it has on the board, and on a battle line
where a monster just goes down a bracket
I think it also just makes the battle feel larger
atomic pelican
Yuss
Tho I may be getting a bit spoiled, I'm mostly just happy with anyone who will engage in melee alot
Which is orkz
I have mild PTSD from my first like, 20 games of 40k being wholly against armies which only shot for 40 minutes
Even still
proper helm
I'm absolutely guilty of that
But I do really like bullgryns and catachans so it balances out
atomic pelican
Yee
There's a guard player here who basically parks in his back field, drags the game out, and loses anyway because of bleeding objectives
Indirect Fire is turning out so cancerous this edition that 9e guard is either going to be airburst-frag level annoying x500 or completely gimped
proper helm
That's probably been why the guard hasn't had a codex so far
atomic pelican
It's really weird
Because SOME codices have 'solved' indirect fire or atleast are experimenting with it
Ex: The 9e Tyranid codex, their no-LOS requires SOME tyranid unit to have LOS
So you can't just turn 1 decimate a enemy unit hidden behind everything
proper helm
Incorporating the Guard vox network into that might work
atomic pelican
But then you have the Devil with Airburst-frags and nightspinners
proper helm
since someone's gotta be there radioing in targets
atomic pelican
Nightspinners eat marines for breakfast and for a 10pt upgrade don't take the dense penalty
atomic pelican
Incorporating the Guard vox network into that might work
Yeah I figure, I just wish they'd implement this as a core rule to all no-LOS
rose thorn
Oh yeah do the different tryanid hive fleets have any actual genetic differences between them besides the colors?
atomic pelican
They do, It's pretty basic though
Behemoth is more aggressive for example
In both evolution patterns and behavior
rose thorn
Sadly they have the curse of… recolour syndrome as I call it. ‘Yeah they are absolutely unique… but all we do to support it is different colors.’
proper helm
Hive fleets can temporarily create modifications to their forces phenotype to adapt to situations as well
atomic pelican
That's p much the entire point of most subfactions base
They're recolors and variations of playstyle
The lore is added on
rose thorn
Modern day guard make me depressed when they do that.
proper helm
one of the ones mentioned in Octarius was nids landing in acid runoff they thought were oceans and adapting to land forces in those safely the next time
rose thorn
one of the ones mentioned in Octarius was nids landing in acid runoff they thoug...
That’s super cool actually
WAIT THE FUCKING ACID RUN OFF IS THE SIZE OF A GOD DMAN OCEAN?
shadow plover
lil acid puddle yes
proper helm
Forge Worlds give zero shits about the environment
rose thorn
That seems like one of those things that is generally complete overkill
But most of 40K is overkill so
proper helm
I personally take it as a combo of runoff and millenia of ocean acidification from industry
scenic bolt
40k will take a look at a real world issue then sail right past where 2000ad had it clocked at
plucky chasm
rose thorn
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771007201631404043/959039164773437500/t...
Sisters of battle and admech Making cherubs and servitors
plucky chasm
truly
astral isle
i like how fabius bile told slaneesh that he didn't believe in chaos gods
shadow plover
Slaanesh itself or a greater daemon of slaanesh? Because I know he did that to a greater daemon of Tzeentch but haven't heard of that one
astral isle
i think it was actually slaneesh
shadow plover
wild
he really is a grumpy old sod
think it's the case of not actually believing in their godhood but rather a warp xenos with plenty power
distant fable
cerulean wagon
squats never left
crisp heath
i think "back" more in a tabletop way
if i'm correct we have 2 minis from necromunda (?)
shadow plover
yes
crisp heath
So would be nice to just squeeze them in the AstraM 
i mean, it's a joke. That's obvious. But one can cope
shadow plover
I'm thinking maybe a single "agents of the imperium" unit or a character at most
crisp heath
like the Ogryns
shadow plover
which would be neat
crisp heath
"Noooo dont go buying 3rd party squats"
"NOOooOOoo, our money pool is drying out"
storm jungle
signal hill
I love how everybody is bashing gw at any given opportunity besides everyone Loving their Franchise(s)
vapid rivet
They won't make squat return they said ...
final spruce
I love how everybody is bashing gw at any given opportunity besides everyone Lov...
Thats because, while the setting is great, the management and decision makers of GW are greedy boomers that have very little care for their consumer base other than the money they can such from them
storm jungle
Yeah GW does good stuff but they still deserve to be shat on for half the decisions they do as well.
They arent a good company by any means lmao
storm jungle
Yeah they know how to appeal to their audience a lot more now. The dumb shit they've been doing has thankfully mostly dropped.
And I do say mostly
distant parcel
on the company side they still do the same shitty practices
but they communicate better now
storm jungle
Deep Rock time
barren tapir
One thing that i like from the small snippet of the squats is that they seems technologically inclined and advanced
To the point that they easily override imperial ship tech...
smoky ferry
Could function well as a killteam release, and either as mercenaries or tau axillaries
crisp heath
Muscular woman
vast frigate
The pog variant of women
timid solstice
Ogryn women when?
cerulean wagon
they already exist, there was one in the recent ork book
timid solstice
Really? Damn, they good fighters?
cerulean wagon
ofc
timid solstice
Feckin' hell yeah
atomic pelican
As opposed to ogryns doing mitosis
frosty cobalt
As opposed to ogryns doing mitosis
Mfw people forget ogryns are abHumans
“Human women when”
marsh grail
Do femboy space marines count?
storm jungle
They are boys so no
spare gazelle
femboy space marine is an oxymoron
marsh grail
Femboy tau or eldar?
storm jungle
Eldar are already androgynous for the most part so idk
Tau im not an expert on appearance wise
storm jungle
There really isn't any canon evidence of that and its a fan myth.
The only connection is the hooves.
🐎
storm jungle
plucky moth
barren tapir
Incan wouldn't ban for such thing... He would feed you to the emu
plucky moth
barren tapir
Say i'm wrong Incan, i know that you send people to emu as punishment
barren tapir
Oh no... No no no... This isn't gonna end well if the right people are in this chat
lapis edge
Femboy tau or eldar?
Oof that's a tuff one. I can see femboy eldar but have not considered tau. I have to give it more thought.
crisp heath
Tau milk confirmed?
STOP RIGH HERE YOU CRIMINAL SCUM !
marsh grail
Mmm tau milk
plucky moth
Luv a nice glass of Tilk
crisp heath
. . .
plucky moth
Tau beef 
crisp heath
T'au thigh~
plucky moth
Rump steak is good stuff
crisp heath
Oh yeah
eternal ledge
Swallow her
crisp heath
XD
azure wing
astral isle
crisp heath
😳 🐍
ashen lake
plush mason
is that song really called ultramarine chant?
serene jungle
Can’t be serious
shadow plover
it's an old song from the old chaos gate game in which you played ultramarines
shadow plover
I really like both
prisma lark
I'm sure the new track will grow on me, it's good too
neither hold a candle to the Word Bearers March anyway
native surge
do votamm have slayers
barren tapir
Doubt, slayer concept is extremely dumb anyway
native surge
why
native surge
slayers have been pretty useful
storm jungle
Yeah Slayers in general are more of a way to showcase Dwarves are too attached to tradition
barren tapir
Only because they need to fill a role in dwarf army, otherwise they are shiz
storm jungle
That too
I still find them cool but theres a reason their concept basically got segregated in age of sigmar
and why other duardin/dwarves dont utilize them anymore
native surge
i love em theyre my fav part of warhammer
barren tapir
But going to a fight with no armour, not even clothes is just asking to die without accomplishing anything other showing stupidity
native surge
it accomplishes the fulfillment of their oath
storm jungle
It wastes dwarven lives for useless stuff
you can become a Slayer out of the most mundane things
native surge
its not useless to the dwarfs
cerulean wagon
ye its a dumb tradition, but its an extremly cool lore point
native surge
they take shame greater than any other race
cerulean wagon
its in no way useful or a good troop type
storm jungle
Yeah pretty much.
native surge
and reclaiming it can only be done through the eyes of their ancestors, dying it glorious battle is the only way
storm jungle
its not useless to the dwarfs
Yes because they are indoctrinated to think that way, so yeah
same as how most Imperial Guard will suicide troop themselves if they've been brainwashed enough by propaganda
native surge
im pretty sure their souls are judged by the ancestors
snorri nosebiter forgot what he was shamed for and thus has to roam shyish
twin shoal
a dwarve getting sent to be judged by his ancestor
ancestor: WHY DA FECK DIDNT YE WEAR ARMOR YA DAFT SOD
final spruce
Not many guardsmen actually suicide charge, which is why Krieg is so popular about that one
storm jungle
unless you're a Tallarn guardsman in that one awful book
final spruce
Tallarn, known for being the sneakiest and hit and run people, blindlessly charging ?
Very badly written indeed
storm jungle
Yeah its also in very poor taste
since its the middle-eastern'ish faction doing actual strapped-to-chest suicide bombings after the Tau convert a local populace's city
lmao
final spruce
Terrible , god damnit
rose thorn
;-; I fucking hate it- I love the middle eastern style but The Tallarn are apparently well known for being illiterate too- it’s stupid
rose thorn
It’s so weird there is almost nothing middle eastern inspired in 40K and if it is it’s usually trash
tepid tapir
I believed the Tallarn were a guards regimant specialized on dessert world combat and not much more
cerulean wagon
;-; I fucking hate it- I love the middle eastern style but The Tallarn are appar...
basically all IG are illiterate thats not a special thing
luckily
(or not its still stupid)
wispy peak
Necrons and thousand sons are middle eastern inspired, no? Or is that included in the almost nothing
real stone
More like ancient Egypt
wispy peak
ye fair
real stone
But Tallarn guards are more like the whole Laurence of Arabia thing
storm jungle
Yeee
wispy peak
What would be a good way to add some ME flavor?
rose thorn
Besides the obvious shit like space marines
I think a tau castle would be unqiue
rose thorn
Ok so tyranid question
Do 40K canonically has souls
Do individual tryanids have souls?
barren tapir
Souls is just a fancy name for connection to the warp... Do the nids have connection to the warp? No
rose thorn
Okay- but what about the Psyker nids and the hive mind it self?
storm jungle
the hive mind itself is a massive entity
the nids are like a tiny portion of its essence
its connected
rose thorn
Okay gotcha
rose thorn
I was thinking a short story or book that is in the pov of a nid would either like make their lore amazing or completely ruin it
plush mason
wow thats a nice depiction of twitter
rose thorn
well lictors are hyper intelligent and show individuality right?
So that would be the safest tryanid to POV with right?
storm jungle
Its a bit weird?
Because the book describes the Lictor's actions
but also kind of goes to say that the Hivemind is still directing it with a sliver of its essence
its a bit hard to explain
Leader-Nids tend to have some more personality while the fodder troops almost get none
rose thorn
As expected
Also is it just me, or does the swarm lord being like a named character and not an individual unit kind of weird?
Like ‘there is only 1 OG swarm lord and it’s THE swarm lord’
storm jungle
Okay so it depends.
The Swarmlord can actually appear in different hive fleets when their situation gets serious
Imagine it like total war right
You got Karl Frans going into the fray
but then you summon another one of him on another corner of the map in another unrelated battle
that sort of thing
rose thorn
Ahhh okay
storm jungle
Yeee hes like a template
if that makes sense
but still the most apex creature of the Nids currently
rose thorn
So instead o being like ‘the swarm lord’
It’s ‘THE swarm lord #138’
rose thorn
So same thing as old one eye
storm jungle
He still has a permanent position in the tyranids as a race as awhole
To this end, the Swarmlord possesses more autonomy from the Hive Mind than any other Tyranid creature, and its connection with the Hive Mind is so strong it can emerge amongst any Hive Fleet, transcending any physical limitations separating the different Fleets. The Swarmlord has aeons of battle experience and bloodshed to draw upon. In fact, it is as old as the Tyranid race itself.
rose thorn
So
It’s completely possible the sentience of the swarm lord just hops between bodies?
Or is multiple of the swarm lord controlling@multiple of it self
Or clones
rose thorn
Lmao
storm jungle
But yeah its all a mix of the above?
timid solstice
Fucking space bugs, they just HAD to be complicated
storm jungle
Yeah the Tyranids mix in every space-bug race trope from sci-fi
so it gets a bit complex
rose thorn
I love that it is completely possible the higher ranking tryanids has sentients or that it has none at all
It could literally
Just be fucking insects
Or it could be a hyper intelligent group of minds
storm jungle
Yep the hivemind is playing like 100000 armies at once
since its the top-boss of all the nids
the moment their strats dont work they try other shit
rose thorn
Is the hive mind one entity though? Or is it like millions of minds speaking at once
storm jungle
Oh no its one dominant thing im sure
actually nevermind you were right with the second part
The Hive Mind is not a single mind capable of small, conscious thought the way a Human's mind works, but instead it is a grand agglomeration created from the psychic presence of untold billions of Tyranid creatures. It is a nightmarish and unfathomable intelligence that allows Tyranids to coordinate and adapt as if every Tyranid creature is merely a part of a single massive organism, one which is utterly focused on consuming all other life.[1][2]
alpine ingot
for the specialized units it's really weird, since devastation of Baal states that every Lictor is the very same Lictor copied over and over again.
rose thorn
That’s the best part!
You can make a super cool and unqiue character
Have him fucking suicide bomb and have him back next battle
alpine ingot
slight problem with doing that with a unit like the swamlord though, if he dies the entire swarm surrounding that planet is thrown out of whack until the greater hive mind reasserts control
cerulean wagon
it gets extremely fucky
honestly thats what makes it so great
rose thorn
True
cerulean wagon
concepts outside our ability to percieve is fun
rose thorn
I hope in the next edition we get a ‘make your own names characyer kit’ and just have a build your own action figure style model
I would prefer for every army
cerulean wagon
eldar autarch
rose thorn
But at least for mods
cerulean wagon
rose thorn
I meant nids
But I guess mods work too lmao
But yeah tryanids
Just horrifically customizable
plush mason
> The Hive Mind is not a single mind capable of small, conscious thought the way...
wow this really is a great description of twitter and facebook 😛
short jackal
sexy model
speaking of
wish they had dropped this BEFORE I wrote a narrative campaign
would have included the hell out of them
vast frigate
look at my man with golden age whatever the fuck
short jackal
pocket prince with the GEP gun
vast frigate
IF THERES SOMETHING VIIIIILE
IN YOUR STAR SYSTEM
IF THE NIDS ARE BAACK
CONVERTING MASS
WHO YOU GONNA CALL?
crisp heath
LEAGUE VOTANN !
plush mason
i wonder what the lore reason for their disappearance will be
crisp heath
Maybe some retcon i guess
grand minnow
THE WARP
real stone
They've been fighting the nids underground this entire time,
and now there's also new models for nids because of the evolution for tunnel warfare
that's the best retcon
storm jungle
Yes.
vast frigate
40k is built on being easy to rewrite or retcon shit
bosco confirmed
this here proves that the plot is moving... somewhere
because the imperium allying with a group that has... that.
rose thorn
NO SHIT I SAW A VIDEO TALKING ABOUT "ideas for new 40k factions' and literally one of them was 'yeah a human civilzationw ith extremely advanced tech from before age of strife' im fucking baffled how on point he was
vast frigate
Literally just vansaars call, but a civilisation
like, theres nothing unique to the idea of a faction of the imperium that didnt go belly up
rose thorn
lmao fair
real stone
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735941248036241489/959987485599993916/unk...
AI
we know it's AI
Like
bruh
"extremely heretical"
It's AI.
storm jungle
Not really.
Squats since their genesis had "heretical" tech which Admech most labelled as the advanced technology they possessed.
storm jungle
vast frigate
Squats since their genesis had "heretical" tech which Admech most labelled as th...
lets be honest
they were jealous and pissy
real stone
rose thorn
What if GW just like, comes out of no where and says ‘yeah one of the missing primarch s is a squat, that’s their leader.’ And just destroy their own lore
rose thorn
Lmao
vast frigate
im turning that into a gif
real stone
yesss
vast frigate
actually that gif will become the basis of something i want for my OC
broken bridge
were squats their own faction way back when and if so how come they werent just rolled into the IG like other ab humans
real stone
Cause they got eaten by Nids. Also cause they weren't very... friendly with the Imperium
Like
plush mason
cuz iirc they where the admech more or less. they made all the shit the imperium used. and the writers didnt feel like they could do the squats justice. so they replaced them with the admech iirc
real stone
The imperium made a whole new type of armor for their space marines because of the war(s) with the squats
plush mason
did they?
real stone
Yep
The Mk. 3 Iron Armor
The one with the weird train grille on the front of the mouth
rose thorn
if orgot mk3 existed lmao
real stone
kek]
plush mason
you mean the thing that looks like its made of scrap pig iron?
real stone
Yep
broken bridge
i dont hate this
real stone
Yeah, it's not that bad
real stone
And it was used during the Horus Heresy... I'm like 90% sure
rose thorn
forget
plush mason
that looks better yeah. the only time i have seen it was in DOW2 lol
rose thorn
I love the helmets
plush mason
and there it looked worn out and useless
rose thorn
they are my favoirte out of every space marine helmet
real stone
Basically they started running out of armor for the boiz, and said fuck it. We're basically fighting in tunnels anyways
vast frigate
they are my favoirte out of every space marine helmet
storm jungle
were squats their own faction way back when and if so how come they werent just ...
Their own culture was too far developed basically
if you go to their lexicanum page it runs pretty deep
rose thorn
wait thats cannon?
vast frigate
its my marine conversion put into art
rose thorn
OH well it fuckingh rocks
plush mason
wtf is that
vast frigate
gay space mahreen that searches for a way to un-dust his partner
crisp heath
World Eater Pre Heresy na ?
vast frigate
short jackal
looks neat man
plush mason
i want it
vast frigate
I based it heavily off of the older geare
short jackal
really dig the segmented armor
vast frigate
the full thing is a bit overkill
rose thorn
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
broken bridge
if you go to their lexicanum page it runs *pretty* deep
ill give it a look
storm jungle
👍
plush mason
the full thing is a bit overkill
its a world eater so thats ok. overkill is their normal setting
broken bridge
the full thing is a bit overkill
god damn
plush mason
all i know of them pre heresy is thier daddy hated them and big E didnt like them lol
rose thorn
Oh yeah there are alot of badass preheresy legion names
vast frigate
rose thorn
I love it actually
rose thorn
Badass AND GAY?
The best of the best
I should probably play the warhammer ttrpg I would@love it
But my friends hate warhammer
short jackal
it's tough to get into initially
try the digital wargame if you want to check it out
broken bridge
try the digital wargame if you want to check it out
theres a digital war game?
vast frigate
how does he reload the bolters?
He doesnt
short jackal
I'm not sure what the policy is on discussing third party stuff but yeah shop around
There's some cool stuff
short jackal
Alright internet stranger I'm putting total trust in you
The fate of my dog is in your hands
short jackal
theres a digital war game?
check out Vassal40k
rose thorn
lmao
broken bridge
@rose thorn i also want to try blood and glory
rose thorn
yeah i heard its super fun
Lmao what if we get everyone and just have a single session of blood and glory with our OCs
i mean my only finished OCs are a master of possession and chaos lord in terminator armor so-
plush mason
wtf is a master of possession?
rose thorn
OKay so
he is on tabel top basically a librarian
but in lore its someone who compeltely devoted themsleves to controlling daemons and making possessed
rituals and the stuff
plush mason
so a wordbearer
rose thorn
Yeah except for other factions
Mine is an emperors children master of possession, who basically glutton's himself with the consumption of souls of others
and uses his gluttony to summon daemons
adn shit
plush mason
i see
rose thorn
with a fgaint mouth in his chest
supple plume
Funny all I hear is lore this lore that about the squats .
All I'm thinking about is what color scheme would be the most fitting 🤔
broken bridge
neon pink and angelic white
supple plume
I was thinking yellow and.black with some red here and there
But maybe a.bit too much imperial first
Clan Angrund color might fit better
cerulean wagon
Funny all I hear is lore this lore that about the squats .
All I'm thinking ab...
thats cause this is the lore chat
supple plume
thats cause this is the lore chat
Ah crap you're right
native surge
Gotta have some karaz a karak blue in there
vapid tiger
Wait
alright james workshop
if there's only one ultramarines captain with golden shoulder trim
then explain this!
vapid tiger
seriously though why would they write down that space marines use different shoulder trim colors depending on company and then not follow that rule themselves
atomic pelican
Disconnect between writers and official painters probs
Pretty easy for such a minor detail to get forgotten over such a long period I imagine
vapid tiger
I mean it's probably that and marketing because ultramarines have the whole blue and gold thing going on
They follow the rule with Uriel Ventris tho
I'm sure if you asked a marketing guy or some old hat like gav thorpe or phil kelly they'd bullshit an excuse like "well the captains don't follow that rule" or something
plush mason
does the rank of force commander even exist or is that just some BS relic made up for DOW?
tepid tapir
seems to hav been a thing from 3th edition
but it's not an standard rank/title of any given chapter from what i gathered
@plush mason
plush mason
yeah seems to be a temporary rank
tepid tapir
yeah seems to be a temporary rank
Tho seems Dow changed it abit. so it were with companys insted of chapters
plush mason
yeah
slender ruin
Oh Gotcha srry
lyric ember
So very specific question, I've not found a satisfactory answer to it yet, do the Mechanicus make use of Pyskers? Besides navigators, as far as I've ever heard, the Mechanicus don't use Pyskers, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
viral vessel
Why would it not make sense?
storm jungle
So very specific question, I've not found a satisfactory answer to it yet, do th...
Admech give up their psykers to the Astra Telepathica just like any other Imperial planet
I would also say its because GW hasn't really made any IRL minis of psychic admech units since thats a shtick of other imperial factions as well
viral vessel
The Mechanicus is subject to the same tithes as everyone else in regards to Psykers.
storm jungle
Yes.
viral vessel
Were you asking about sanctioned Psykers?
lyric ember
yeah
storm jungle
Yeah they dont make use of them
storm jungle
Nah they would, its just that theres no really tabletop reason to. You can easily write in them using psykers but its not really needed when other factions do it.
viral vessel
The Mechanicus does its own thing. The Astra Telepathica does theirs.
storm jungle
That doesn't really matter. Lore comes secondary in these regards
But yeah basically they dont have something akin to Librarians/Sanctioned Psykers.
viral vessel
Oh, but I guess you could maybe count the Ordo Sinister?
storm jungle
Ordo Sinister is a part of the Imperial Household so they aren't manned by the Mechanicus
Its something they werent happy about but caved on the whole "direct command from the Omnissiah" part. and handed over a small number of Titans for the Emperor's use.
barren tapir
Ad. Mech. has uses for psykers... Well, their brain to be more precise... Buuuut, those are forbidden things... So yeah, officially they give up their psykers, unless they get killed by random events wink wink, to the astra telephatica as to kinda secure their pact for astropath and shiz
scenic bolt
the only org thats pretty much exempt from giving up their psykers are the navigators
rose thorn
Oh yeah sister doenst like pyskers do they?
Which seems weird
Since they have ‘miracles’ which are almost the same thing
viral vessel
Not really?
Psykers are a result of a genetic mutation and are an extremely dangerous conduit to the Warp.
rose thorn
I mean, it’s belief so hard they cause bullshit magic
nova anchor
It’s like ork magic, humans generate a lil bit of warp energy afaik
rose thorn
God sisters of battle feel weird in lore.
astral isle
i think they're channeling the emperor's psychic power
i guess he doesn't have anything better to do
aside from powering the emperor's tarrot and holding back chaos from terra
rose thorn
‘Oh yeah yoir best soldiers, nah, of the civilians going to their doom, nah, of a death cult harem, now tahts important.’
proper helm
could you rephrase that?
rose thorn
The sisters which
Actually they aren’t in an harem anymore since Mcfuck face got shot
Stupid ass horny mofo ate shit an died
open summit
i think they're channeling the emperor's psychic power
I don't think this is quite it; there are definitely cases where people have been empowered by the Emperor's psychic might but the Sisters and their "miracles" are entirely different. Especially since Sister faith-magic is immune to the effects of Necron pylons.
astral isle
real propa orky
marsh grail
The sisters which
Actually they aren’t in an harem anymore since Mcfuck face go...
What?
rose thorn
Goge Vandire was the leader of the emporium at the time and discovered the Sisters of battle death cult. So he used his religious status (and technology) to convince the sisters he was a directly touched by the emperor.
And immediately abused his power (as per usual) to get a huge harem and have sex parties with the sister s
Then Alicia Dominica said one of my favorite quotes ever
You have committed the ultimate heresy. Not only have you turned your back on the Emperor and stepped from his light, you have profaned his name and almost destroyed everything he has striven to build.
And fucking blew his brains out
She had a meeting with the emperors himself where her hair turned white
Form the pure glory of him
cerulean wagon
And immediately abused his power (as per usual) to get a huge harem and have sex...
not entirely accurate but sure
rose thorn
Yeah I know
I haven’t done any actual research I just base it off what I know
:) bugs lore for the win every day
The best part is I don’t even need to read
I can just google search ‘did tryanids destroy XYZ’
brittle nebula
I love the lore of the formation of the sisters of battle. It kind of makes perfect sense sometimes
plush mason
lol
shadow plover
yoinked this from another server and tbh this seems quite possible and fitting
storm jungle
Late but @rose thorn
They removed the harem stuff in the last codex the Sisters got back in 8th edition for understandable reasons, as a woman I didnt really mind it as much but I can understand it seeming needlessly creepy to some other readers
Even back in the first codex they got the "sex" mention is more the Sisters seeing to his "every need"
storm jungle
God sisters of battle feel weird in lore.
As for the psychic stuff, its pretty much left unexplored at the moment. Sororitas using faith powers was a rare thing back in the day but with their army getting updated as well as them getting more lore, books etc the faith power stuff skyrocketed and can happen a lot of times now.
It kind of gets to the point of Deus Ex Machina or a get out of jail free card whenever something in the plot goes wrong and they need their anime power-up moment to kill the book's antagonists at the last chapters. etc
vast frigate
signal hill
As for the psychic stuff, its pretty much left unexplored at the moment. Sororit...
Weren't living Saints Kind of imperial daemons?
storm jungle
Comparison wise yes
rose thorn
In the literal sense or figurative sense?
scenic bolt
kinda both
it's hinted at that they could be warp manifestations generated from the intensity of belief of the imperial cult
storm jungle
Yeah its basically Warp-Shit but trademarked by Big E
its not fully explained in-depth like chaos stuff but its been heavily hinted with things like Big E growing in power
shadow plover
Sanguinor is very weird, it has been around since Horus Heresy
alpine ingot
I view living saints and the Sanguinor as greater demons and the legion of the damned as his regular demons.
rose thorn
You gotta love how 40k is the only series that you can just make up blatant bullshit and it will most likely be widely considered true
Like how the legion of the damned’s leader was hinted to be the primarch of the Iron hands, until the guy who writes the legion of the damned literally said like ‘I have no clue where you got that from, no he isn’t a giant space marine missing a head’
storm jungle
The curse of having so many writers
shadow plover
they do have "loremasters" afaik
rose thorn
space marines have no bones
storm jungle
Yeah the loremaster is a thing
its more for just looking over what they write and making sure most of the material is lore compliant
otherwise authors sometimes get free reign if they're of the old guard
new writers are a lot more restricted
shadow plover
but they've not had "lead writers" or similar for 40k, 30k had one when Horus Heresy launched but he died a while back
storm jungle
Yeah sadly
shadow plover
and there was a hiring position for 40k lead writer a couple months ago
crisp heath
What, really?
storm jungle
He was the one writing the black books for the Heresy battles
they kinda dropped in quality after that
shadow plover
yeah which were the backbone of that era's Horus Heresy
storm jungle
^
crisp heath
Oh shit! i didn't knew 😦 Rest in Peace
vapid tiger
I know that 9th ed has a "creative lead" but considering that most of what's in the books is just regurgitated from 8th ed I imagine it only really contributed to getting a better codex artist
standard codex fare
Like
They should honestly ditch codices of they're gonna keep the whole "new edition every 3 years" thing going
Because that's a whole new wave of codices that are mostly the exact same as the last one every few years
Only reason to buy them is rules
They should just find a new way to milk people for rules
Preferably they should not do it at all but whatever
shadow plover
Because that's a whole new wave of codices that are mostly the exact same as the...
do you mean by "mostly the exact same as the last one" purely the units they contain? Because everything else is pretty much very very different
And I absolutely believe the codexes need renewing every now and then to keep everything fresh and not get stuck with a set of rules that may prefer one faction over the other
storm jungle
do you mean by "mostly the exact same as the last one" purely the units they con...
A lot of codex lore has been largely copy pasted for 9th edition
There genuinely isn’t any new lore for half of them
shadow plover
ah I see, never really paid attention to the lore side of codexes
barren tapir
GW should sell lore and rules separated
storm jungle
Bro i wish
shadow plover
well
aren't novellas that
and novels
lore in codexes is just flavour text mostly
barren tapir
With some special cases where they are in the same book, but only when something new actually happen... But this would require GW to know their own fokken lore dammit
barren tapir
aren't novellas that
No, novella are self contained stories, which may or may not be canon, just a way to sell some book
barren tapir
lore in codexes is just flavour text mostly
It is less flavour text and more actual lore, codex have priority over novels for lore canonicity
storm jungle
Some more Squat stuff
The Early Days
The first edition of Warhammer 40,000 was called Rogue Trader, a game chock-full of fantasy standards reimagined in a grim futuristic setting. Instead of Orcs, you had Space Orks, Elves became Eldar (and then Aeldari), Ogres were Ogryn, and so on. And then there were the Space Dwarfs.
These first models were clearly Dwarfs wielding lasguns with a generous smattering of heavy weapons. Their background positioned them as miners – the descendants of human settlers who had evolved to survive on mineral-dense worlds with heavy gravity. Over the millennia, they’d diverged into a subspecies named ‘Squats’ – similar to humans in many ways, but culturally and physiologically distinct.*
Squat strongholds – autonomous mining colonies – formed allied Leagues, with recognisable Dwarf traits from Warhammer Fantasy Battles such as ancestor worship, facial hair, a hefty dose of grumpiness, and a knack for metalwork. A more futuristic twist was their favoured mount – the Leagues rode heavy bikes and trikes into battle, combining the aesthetics of Viking warriors and leather-clad biker gangs.
The first major evolutionary step came in Titan Legions, a game of massive battles using tiny models at the Epic scale – just 6mm! Many of the larger units for the modern game of Warhammer 40,000 have their origins here, including all those lovely Titans and Knights. It also went on to inspire modern games like Adeptus Titanicus and Aeronautica Imperialis, though these are at a slightly different scale.
The Epic system brought with it an enduring enmity with Orks,** along with loads of machines you couldn’t find in the Imperium – including gyrocopters, armoured dirigibles, land trains, and ludicrously massive siege weapons. And while they never produced Titans, ordnance like the Cyclops (the big green tank with the Gargant-killing cannon on its prow) was no less deadly.
The studio continued to flesh out the background, giving the Leagues a distinct aesthetic, history, and style of warfare. Where else would you find biker gang space dwarf industrialists piloting battle-trains?
The later years of Rogue Trader brought plenty of trikes, living ancestors (psykers), and elite infantry in big, round suits called exo-armour, but while the second edition of Warhammer 40,000 offered stopgap rules in its grand launch box, our heroes would never receive a full codex or any more new models.
For a while, however, the Leagues continued to evolve through the vividly coloured artwork of this era. These stout warriors were shown wielding more sci-fi standard weapons, armour, and iconography – but you could still see lots of golden ancestor sigils and plenty of beards, axes, and hammers.
The Quiet Years
Homo sapiens rotundus may have started life as a sci-fi restyle of fantasy Dwarfs, but as the setting grew, they too became more unique. A galactic power in their own right, the Leagues were powerful enough to trade and negotiate with the Imperium on an even footing – in fact, Imperial Commissars were forbidden from executing their soldiers – and such skilled technologists that the Adeptus Mechanicus sent tech-priests to study with them, which would probably be considered tech-heresy nowadays.And then… nothing. They weren’t officially updated for the third edition of the game, and Epic came to an end. Eventually, the great Jervis Johnson mentioned in passing that the worlds ruled by the Leagues had been attacked by a Tyranid hive fleet, and that was that. Not a peep for decades – both in-universe and out.
Still, there were hints that something was out there.
Clues and Cameos
A decade after Warhammer 40,000’s second edition, Battlefleet Gothic – a naval game of spacebound fleets – introduced the Demiurg, a mysterious group of void-faring miners and traders. Technologically-advanced industrialists with a grudge against Orks, a number of Demiurg brotherhoods aligned themselves with the T’au Empire, lending their powerful ships to the Air Caste fleets.
Were these the Leagues sneaking back into the setting, or a new alien species filling a similar role? We’re still not sure, but the modern edition of Necromunda brought fresh hope for fans of futuristic facial hair. At the end of the ‘10s, the underhive skirmish game introduced two new characters you could add to your gang – and though their design had once again evolved, everyone knew what we were looking at.
Grendl Grendlsen and Ragnir Gunnstein sport a host of familiar details, from quilted armour and fancy breastplates to magnificent facial hair and ancestral belt buckles. They are also, notably, still called Squats – albeit unkindly by the Necromundans they live amongst.
This shock return got folks thinking about what had happened to their kin. The Leagues were no strangers to Necromunda – there were even rules for a Squat Miners gang*** back in the day – but were these the last two survivors of a Tyranid rampage? Or were others of their kind still out there?****
They’re Back
Enter the Leagues of Votann. You can expect to see loads more information about the next step of evolution for this venerable race, and you’re going to love what’s coming.The new background for the Leagues of Votann builds off the old lore in interesting ways – including how they interact with their ancestors. Old-time fans will enjoy the references and twists, while new fans will be into their funky tech, unusual appearance, and unique playstyle.
The Leagues of Votann may not technically be a “new” faction, but they’re bringing some great new dynamics to Warhammer 40,000, expanding the game and the setting. Keep your goggles on for more news about the Leagues of Votann, and sign up for the newsletter if you want it all delivered straight to your inbox.
Huh so
TECHNICALLY not a "new" faction
shadow plover
Neat, pretty much what I expected. Cool that they share some of the old lore to people whom may not be too familiar with it
barren tapir
Nice rundown, it is pretty much what i expected too, they will have some nice nod to old lore, but they are being reworked to be something unique and that make sense in the setting
Hey, the article mentions the book of judgment... I should have that necromunda book
vapid tiger
do you mean by "mostly the exact same as the last one" purely the units they con...
I mean that the rules change but rules changes don't warrant a $40 purchase with codex creep every edition
$50
Is it $60 now?
Either way, it's an outdated format
Made to just milk the shit out of people and provide a means to promote buying new minis based on rules alone
shadow plover
I agree that the updates should be by the very least digital and hence cheaper, but I'd like to have the physical books as well
crisp heath
But the Squats are still Subhumans, i get that right? 🤔
barren tapir
But the Squats are still Subhumans, i get that right? 🤔
I once did the same oopsie, i had Ratty nearly taking my head off...
barren tapir
😵
rose thorn
I would kill for a land train in modern 40K
halcyon oar
I would kill for a land train in modern 40K
well according to Russia armored trains are still in style
marsh grail
So are nuclear power trains
astral isle
thousand sons questions: are the rubric marines immortal?
or do they die when the armor is sufficiently damaged?
how do the thousand sons get new space marines? is there just a geneseed floating around in the armor?
i eagerly await an answer
crisp heath
Actually all TS are not ashen ones
And i guess after a lot of damage they die and cannot be revived by Tzeench for some reason: die too much, being useless for the warp or bannished/destroyed by Faith
lyric ember
So the phrase "cleanliness is godliness" could have an implication upon 40k
From what i understand, the chaos gods are just some of many whose specific traits were fed enough by the galaxies constant turmoil
And also, the chaos gods are hurt by having possible worshipers worship some other deity
So if enough people believed in "cleanliness is godliness" and effectively worshipped it, nurgle would be absolutely screwed
This is also a shower thought funnily enough
crisp heath
A Fist
plush mason
lol
crisp heath
Who care about Fist
joke
Its not Tor Guaedon like ?
A Fist in big armor with Neutron UIC
IUC
grand minnow
Ah yes my faviote primarus, John Fist
plush mason
i think the fists are a cool chapter with an absolutely horrid color scheme lol
plush mason
lol
crisp heath
No troll actually x)
plush mason
Vorn Hagan
crisp heath
Oh okay
plush mason
crisp heath
I learn about Fist
lyric ember
That sounds like vore and dorn
Which concerns me
Have fun with y'alls fanfic based off that
crisp heath
😳
plush mason
google read my mind with the search tho. seems i wasnt the only one wondering who was in charge of the fists