Ah, the cycle of life and death continues
#40k-lore-chat
plucky moth
Still tho the whole “Aussies don’t mean anything by it” is a meme and total fucking lie in regards to slurs
barren tapir
Guess you are not a real aussie then Incan... 😔
plucky moth
Works for basic cussing like “wanker” n shit like that but for slurs fuuuck no
Believing that stuff is sheltered white man shit
I’ve been hit with enough racism in my time to know it’s not fun and games 
alpine ingot
It's almost like hating someone for something biological they cannot control is asinine.
barren tapir
Pretty sure that what one is saying can be controlled quite well, unless there is a clinical disadvantage, but then it would be very plain and in the light if that was the case imo
But in general yes, it is quite bad to hate someone for something that is biological...
alpine ingot
Maybe I was raised differently, but how you and I interact with one another is the only factor that comes into play with how I judge you. If you act like a complete ass well that is how I will treat you as.
barren tapir
Agree
hardy grove
storm jungle
Basically dont be a dick
alpine ingot
That's why if someone likes another content creator even if I do not care for them, that's fine.
barren tapir
Sure, as long things aren't twisted hiding the truth though... Otherwise that is objectively bad imo... But i hate misinformation very much
hardy grove
Until youtube unscrews the strange funnel that leads kids from Minecraft videos to Alt-right propaganda I'm really unconcerned about the opinions being thrown about by a youtuber 
I'm saying the entire platform is a shit show 
I'm not justifying the actions of an individual.
barren tapir
Until youtube unscrews the strange funnel that leads kids from Minecraft videos ...
Uhm... Fair... But we must also consider that starting to being concerned might be the first step to unscrew that funnel... It is not a sure thing, but it might be worth a try
hardy grove
He uses crude humour that really shouldn't be presented in a public space, but it is also a symptom of the platform as a whole.
Lemme.. I guess rephrase it in a better way.
Most of the people here are, I'd believe, adults who are capable of ignoring Majorkill and the content he produces. This is a choice that they are capable of making, it is extremely hard to remove someone with the type of ''humour' that MK displays because it ends up becoming a 'cancel-culture' meme. It is, essentially, bashing heads against a brickwall of ignorance. Voting with views is a good first step to avoid colliding with that wall. It is a symptom of the grander issues that are faced by the more vulnerable members of society who might not be able to identify red-flags or make choices on their own behalf.
Arch was removed from his platform, I am entirely convinced Mk can be too.
As a community, and maybe as a company, 40k etc needs to look at who is representing them and make the active choice as to if that is someone that they'd want to represent them.
Accessibility, inclusivity and safety in regards to virtual interactions are very much part of my job description and what I do professionally; MK is a symptom of a wider problem. If you only treat the rash then the disease goes unchecked, if you don't treat the rash then the disease will spread quicker. People have to be willing to act, even in the most minor ways, in order to improve their hobbies and communities.
Idly ranting about an individual isn't going to help anyone, it is just going to be offputting for anyone that joins this community that is wholly unrelated to the individual. I am, absolutely, a hypocrite in this by even getting involved in the conversation but since Dilara has essentially called me out and Blank is interested I feel like I've got to take a stance. It is all well and good complaining, but you've got to be willing to act.
It is significantly easier to be nice than it is to be a dick , but the actions of one represent the community as a whole.
hardy grove
Uhm... Fair... But we must also consider that starting to being concerned might ...
This a better explanation of my stance?^
barren tapir
Well, i'm not a judge, but yes, it is explained in a better way, and it show that we pretty much share many points
empty current
the only harm I think Majorkill really causes is being an unfunny twat
empty current
Until youtube unscrews the strange funnel that leads kids from Minecraft videos ...
this was debunked
several studies looked into pipelines like this and found that it's actually the other way around, and youtube is more favorable towards mainstream sources over independent creators of any kind.
this article links to a study by Ledwich and Zaitsev that examines all of it.
hardy grove
this was debunked
Thank you 🙏
empty current
it's all a media narrative that was later found out to be bunk
plush mason
typical
empty current
I honestly wish news organizations weren't so polarized and hyperbolic all the time because it just leads people to believing shit that just isn't true.
hardy grove
Yeh all my stuff comes from journals so when things get debunked it takes a while for me to learn 😅 Thanks for informing me
empty current
plush mason
I honestly wish news organizations weren't so polarized and hyperbolic all the t...
tbcf to the news orgs. there was a time not to long ago when people wherent stupid enough to believe hyperbole
empty current
here's the actual journal article
hardy grove
Do still stand by the rest of my points though; representation is a huge part of communities and if you're vexxed about it then you've got to be more active than just complaining in a closed circle.
plush mason
how we live in a world where idiots believe the world is flat...
empty current
tbcf to the news orgs. there was a time not to long ago when people wherent stup...
I don't think it's that people have become stupid, I think it's more to do with a political polarization and people drinking their own koolaid.
hardy grove
There are people in Spain that deny volcanos exist 😅
plush mason
I don't think it's that people have become stupid, I think it's more to do with ...
thats just another way of saying stupid
empty current
nah man, you can be very smart and still fall victim to it, nobody is immune to propaganda
hardy grove
It is very prolific and if it is about something you're not academically familiar with it will fuck with you .
empty current
I know a very smart guy, like, in grad school for engineering smart, and he believes in Qanon.
plush mason
then he isnt as smart as you think
hardy grove
Top 1% scorer in my, former, BSc is an Anti-Vaxxer
empty current
and no matter how many times I tell him that it was a 4chan psyop propped up by grifters he refuses to buy it.
plush mason
so an idiot
barren tapir
how we live in a world where idiots believe the world is flat...
Ah, dumbasses, the world is donut shaped
plush mason
lol
empty current
in the words of the Doobie Brothers: What a fool believes, he sees, but the wise man has the power to reason away what seems clear to be
plush mason
even the smartest of us can still be incredibly stupid at times
empty current
A lot of conspiracy theorists are incredibly smart people who spend years of their life putting together patterns and trying to show them to people, they search for deeper truths than what is just self-evident.
plush mason
their "truths" are often bold faced lies that anyone can see thru with some time and logical thought
empty current
Fact is though, that 99% of conspiracy theories turn out to just be stand alone complexes, there's no conspiracy just independent actors, and its only when you view it from a certain lens or perspective that it appears like an organized conspiracy. But when you smart enough to see patterns in everything you can reason away an inconsistency in the patterns.
plush mason
conspiracy theories arent based on truth or logic. they are based purely on faith
empty current
I think that's a remarkably shallow view of it all.
is there an element of faith in it, for some people yes, but its a very complex subject.
Adjacent to well, why do people believe in religion, why do people believe in things they know aren't true, how do humans convince themselves or others to see things in certain ways?
Truth and reality are not clear cut
plush mason
that is no reason to become a zealot and reject all reason like many followers do
empty current
faith and reason are not opposing forces, neither are emotion and logic, for there is reason for faith and logic behind emotion, viewing it as dichotomy is foolish.
The point, beyond the literal, for recognizing this, and for acknowledging that even otherwise smart, logical, and rational people can fall victim to the logic spiral of conspiracy theories and lies is that it forces us as people to admit that we too are not above falling victim to it. If we think that we're uniquely smarter, have a clearer view, or are more logical than other people around us, no matter a reason, than those are blinders we put on ourselves.
The moment when you believe you see the clearest is when you are most blind.
plush mason
faith and reason are not opposing forces, neither are emotion and logic, for the...
im not saying they are. im saying that many believers in this conspiracy theories become zealots devoid of reason and doubt
anyone that thinks its good to send death threats to the parents of school shooting victims is beyond insane
and anyone that is ok with being associated with said people is complicit in their insanity
empty current
perhaps, but every group has idiots and extremists, by that logic, we are all complicit in everything the worst of humanity does
empty current
I disagree with that notion
I can't control other people, what defines me are my choices and my actions, I'm not complicit in the acts of anyone but myself and those I have direct control over.
collective guilt is dumb
plush mason
agreed but when your group closes ranks around their extremists and protects them what will you do?
empty current
I try not to associate with extremists, personally, but when we talk more generally about why do people who might otherwise be normal people defend extremists who share political views with them, it comes down to firstly the Overton Window and secondly views of the outsider/enemy.
The overton window of acceptable thought, when its shifted far to one side or the other things that might seem extreme to others seem normal to you, that's firstly, and secondly if your lens in which you view the world makes you believe certain things then you will react very differently to situations than people who have a different lens
plush mason
that whole overton window thing is one of the biggest flaws in the human brain. there is no us or them. we are all individuals and every group in existence is nothing but an alliance of mutual support between the individuals within them
all humans put themselves first and other second at best
empty current
Lets take the case you brought up of sending death threats to the parents of school shooting victims, that's awful, obviously, but for sake of argument, lets say you bought into the conspiracy, because you looked at the facts and listened to someone who made a good argument for it and so you constructed in your head what happened, and lets say that the facts you saw and the things the person told you, when put together paint a picture of a staged school shooting that was planned and known about in advance, and was engineered for the sole purpose of pushing a political agenda.
Now you as a normal person would, if met with a group of people who staged a school shooting to take advantage of public outrage for political purposes, probably see them as pretty evil people to use such a horrific tragedy as a tool like that. And so even if you don't like people sending death threats, you might just feel that evil people like that deserve some kind of retribution.
Now viewed from the outside anyone who knows that it wasn't fake sees all this and thinks, holy fuck what evil people they are to send death threats and protect those who do.
Point is, the things you believe and the perspective you look at situations with, can lead people to act certain ways.
There are obviously truly evil people out there, just like there are stupid people, but sometimes, it's all a cruel trick of perspective
plush mason
its all a matter of perspective. no one does anything cuz they think its the wrong thing to do
hasty stream
Wtf are you guys talking about
empty current
conspiracy theories
plush mason
lol
empty current
human nature
etc
we were talking about major kill earlier but he's not very interesting so we kinda moved on.
plush mason
all life is is a war of views and opinions @empty current
empty current
Indeed.
Sometimes even, conspiracy theories are something you buy into not because of their inherent appeal but because they help justify the rest of your worldview. A good example there is all the conspiracy about western sabotage being the reason for communist nations collapsing.
hasty stream
The emperor protects ?
empty current
there are of course myriad other examples aside
and in these cases the reason for believing them is because they are the lies upon which everything else is constructed, and if you admit to yourself that one thing is fake, then suddenly the whole tower of your world view comes collapsing down.
On the subject of 40k though, has anyone here ever made a homebrew sector for 40k?
or homebrew planet?
hardy grove
there are of course myriad other examples aside
Saying things for internet points is, awfully, a big problem atm.
hardy grove
On the subject of 40k though, has anyone here ever made a homebrew sector for 40...
Most of the people that have homebrewed a Chapter or regiment etc have often homebrewed a planet; Emperor's Nightmare remain one of my fave 🙏
empty current
Most of the people that have homebrewed a Chapter or regiment etc have often hom...
you ever made a homebrew planet?
hardy grove
Me, personally, no.
I know I'd get writer's bloc and never be happy with anything I created.
empty current
Me, personally, no.
it's fun, I GM dark heresy games and over the years I've created a lot
Here's some of the sector maps I've made
hardy grove
Did they ever release expansions to Dark heresy 2? Or did they go full out on uh,... Wrath and Righteousness, I think?
hardy grove
I tried to keep up with it, but I found the entire system kind of confusing; despite it apparently being designed to be more approachable than Dark Heresy etc
final spruce
Did they ever release expansions to Dark heresy 2? Or did they go full out on uh...
By expansions you mean additional books ?
hardy grove
Yup!
final spruce
So we got :
- Enemies Beyond
- Enemies Within
- Enemies Without
- Forgotten Gods
Adding a lot of lore and background, new origins and roles
empty current
I tried to keep up with it, but I found the entire system kind of confusing; des...
Dark Heresy is a crunch heavy system
once you understand it its incredibly fun and the combat is probably the best tabletop combat I've ever had the pleasure of playing with, but it takes an experienced GM to run a game in it.
empty current
Here's some of the sector maps I've made
going back to these maps, pretty much every single planet and system in these sectors has lore for it, some of them have a lot of lore.
hardy grove
I will have to give it a proper bite into then, I've only really been getting my hits from D&D 5e recently.
empty current
I greatly dislike D&D 5e. I've played many 5e games and they've all been rather uninteresting and the system itself has always failed to inspire me.
It's mechanics are too simple and the people who play D&D stick to the rules like gospel while I prefer there to be simultaneously more rules and more flexibility to roleplay what I want.
Rules as Written is such a bland way to play games.
cerulean wagon
it's fun, I GM dark heresy games and over the years I've created a lot
assuming you use the RT random tables?
those are fun
empty current
RT random tables?
hardy grove
I've DM'd Dark heresy and Only War before, but finding a DM for a game outside of 5e is hard; finding a good player base is even harder.
cerulean wagon
Rogue trader, it has a bunch of content for generating worlds and solar systems
including loot and events
cerulean wagon
ah fair
big recommend
even has rules for generating wildlife stat blocks
including stuff for death worlds
empty current
I've GMed RT before but I've never used its table to make worlds
cerulean wagon
someone even made a software based off it that can generate it all at the press of a button
empty current
I tend to prefer a more personal touch
hardy grove
I DM'd RT once, and got super confused by colonisation rules
cerulean wagon
no zherlum this is not from the DH campaign
this is a random one i jsut generated
empty current
the document for Onuous is 34 pages long and this is just the main document, I've also got an Armory and Vehicle catalogue which would probably combine together for at least 80 pages if put together.
it is part of a solar system called Werelock which is an Inquisitorial black site that doesn't appear on any star maps. It is ruled by a conclave of the Ordo Xenos known as the Helix Conclave. Onuous is a minor forgeworld loyal to the Inquisition that operates within the system and produces munitions and equipment for the Ordo Xenos.
their insignia has a very subtle inquisitorial I and three lines in the background.
Their Tech Priest have a black orange and green color scheme.
some pretty funky servitors too
plush mason
whats the deal with stygies 7?
empty current
it's incomplete but I'm also working on a visual armory too
proper helm
dude looks like he's got a bionicle mask
empty current
dude looks like he's got a bionicle mask
he do
proper helm
whats the deal with stygies 7?
Xenotech enthusiasts
storm jungle
whats the deal with stygies 7?
empty current
I've got an entire 40k sector with actual years of work behind it that's just bionicle references
proper helm
lmao I gotta see
empty current
It's slightly outdated as I made it 2 years ago but here's the map
I've also made the Tupoy Sector, which has gopnik orks and every planet's name is a swearword in russian
plush mason
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Stygies_VIII#:~:text=Stygies%20VIII%20is%20a%20...
thanks
empty current
The Oriente Sector is a collaborative work, but within it I've done lots of work.
There is a planet called Painkiller home to the astartes chapter The Speedrunners
plush mason
lol
empty current
they are White Scars successors
empty current
also made some fun minor xenos for the Oriente Sector
plush mason
minor xenos that the imperium hasnt wiped out? amazing
empty current
The Warks are moth-people and they've got a pretty metal backstory.
They originated in a region of space called the Pandora Cluster and were a pre-space travel xenos species that was known to the imperium but seen as beneath their notice. They worshipped a pantheon of gods which they believed lived upon the tallest mountain on their homeworld where it touched the heavens.
When they began developing space travel they sent out century ships, great colonial vessels that could contain thousands of Warks that were in cryosleep until they reached their destination. The Imperium did survey of the region, discovered that the Warks were beginning to expand and scheduled them for extermination. Que every alien invasion movie ever, except its the humans who are the hostile genocidal aliens invading. They wiped out the homeworld of the Warks and hunted down all their colony ships, all but one.
That one would come to settle in a system that would be called Nasricht. These days the Warks religion has changed somewhat. Because of their knowledge of the Imperium destroying their homeworld, they had to reconcile their gods who lived upon the mountaintop allowing it to happen, the conclusion they reached was that their gods were dead, killed along with their people as they fought to defend their planet. The only god that would have remained was Sprechten, the god of the dead, who did not live on the mountain but in the underworld.
So now the Warks are a monotheistic religion, for the Imperium killed the rest of their gods and all that remains is the grave tender.
Sprechten
The Ziglaki are also pretty cool
a remnant of an empire that is millions of years old
reduced to scraps of their former selves and hell bent on one thing
escaping this god forsaken galaxy
hardy grove
Thats pretty awesome lore.
alpine ingot
so an idiot
once again a good case that Intellect does not equal Wisdom
feral mortar
I wonder if Dark Tide will be the first step for GW moving into a Guardsman based shooter series?
brittle nebula
Perhaps
I would like it more if they had battlefield or planetside 2 like games.
That would be fun
spice orchid
i would like a mechwarrior style simmy vehicular combat game
brittle nebula
Oh that would be fun. Imperial knights vs chaos knights
spice orchid
and superheavy tanks
spice orchid
indeed
spice orchid
vs daemon engines
brittle nebula
Oh perhaps you can use smaller titans as the “heavy units” and perhaps the knights are maybe “medium units”
Dang now I want it. It may never happen
alpine ingot
this would require them giving the IP to a company that isn't going to make a massive cash grab mobile game, or get cold feet and do space marines.
rose thorn
Hey are the dark angels like, any interesting?
brittle nebula
Yes
rose thorn
Ive always liked their catholic style insperation, adn the fact they are named about a man's internal conflict of being catholic and homosexual (which is extremely relatable)
but im thining they are just gonna be like the black templars
and im not a fan of the black templars
odd sparrow
Ive always liked their catholic style insperation, adn the fact they are named a...
yeet the church
brittle nebula
That ain’t like the templars they are not in anyway
odd sparrow
But yeah DA do have their own writing quirks, but they're not as dumb as black templars
rose thorn
WOOOOOOOOOO
odd sparrow
They've got the whole ~secretive monastic aesthetic~ going on but not much christian inspiration i've seen beyond that, their gimmick is mostly fallen stuff
brittle nebula
If you so much is say the word fallen they will kill you
rose thorn
If you so much is say the word fallen they will kill you
Help ive fallen and cant get up-
odd sparrow
But yeah most plots for DA i've seen are just,, local space marine legion goes on pointless wild goose chases in literally every conflict they enter ever
rose thorn
aht he classic headless chicken n
odd sparrow
it's like a really talented dude with ADHD who just keeps getting distracted by a nearby goose before he can actually do anything interesting
rose thorn
is it a fun and interesting way or does it feel like filler?
int eh stories i mean
actually most of 40k is filler
odd sparrow
idk haven't read them, maybe dil has
rose thorn
also their tone of green is beautiful
odd sparrow
But yeah in my headcanon, which is superior to anything GW can put out,
they're highly secretive & traditional, putting a great focus on cultural ceremony on the rock
they occasionally go on missions to stamp out fallen hijinks, but they're careful to keep it subtle & separate from major imperial conflicts
they're extremely well rounded & competent jacks-of-all-trades in combat
gay as fuck, no dark angel has talked to a woman in seven millennia
rose thorn
ooo, yeah its weird i almost never hear of dark angels in the lore
frozen jewel
Ive always liked their catholic style insperation, adn the fact they are named a...
..wut
rose thorn
which part, the catholic inspiration or the homosexual part?
shadow plover
..wut
Lionel Jonhnson was a poet who wrote a poem called The Dark Angel which was about coping with homosexuality pretty much
frozen jewel
Lionel Jonhnson was a poet who wrote a poem called The Dark Angel which was abou...
huh, never heard of that
shadow plover
yeah it isn't really common knowledge per say
storm jungle
Space Marines in general have a lot of unintentional homoerotic undertones too
It was parodied in the early 80's but now largely its mostly dropped
rose thorn
OOO DARK ANGELS DONT LIKE PRIMARIS MARINES
frozen jewel
yeah that rogue trader wrestling art didn't exactly look very straight
slow prawn
Man, I can’t believe I missed the Dark Angels talk here
I’m the big DA fan around here
But from what I’ve read, what was said here is largely accurate
The DA are indeed a highly insular group with adaptability and resolve backed up by a wealth of powerful relic technology
Want a full bike force? Or Terminators? Or regular Astartes? Or a mix? They’re your people
And I do like their secrecy, and the fact that they’re in the middle, so to speak: they’re not saints, but they’re not entirely dicks either
And I will admit the whole Fallen thing is a combination of poor choices on the part of Lion El’Jonson, Luther, as well as the writing team
astral isle
slow prawn
“Awww, brother Aldophael!” happy reports him to the Interrogator Chaplains.
Also, the term Fallen only applies to the Heresy era Dark Angels who followed Luther
A Consecrator who became a Nurgle follower found this out the hard way
The Inner Circle literally laughed their asses off at him, and Asmodai shot him in the head
rose thorn
The DA are indeed a highly insular group with adaptability and resolve backed up...
So its A: super cool looking, B; one of those armies you can just get keep expanding on C; actual fucking characters?
potent swift
Is it true the DA had native american influences back in the day?
slow prawn
@rose thorn
slow prawn
Is it true the DA had native american influences back in the day?
And yes, that’s true, in the early days before going to a more medieval theme
rose thorn
damn it the gif isnt loading
slow prawn
Ah, it’s supposed to be “all of them at once, I suppose”
rose thorn
Ah
slow prawn
“Cool looking, potential for expansion, and decent characters”
rose thorn
and isnt autsitic like the black templars
i mean retarded, thats better way to phrase it
also thier named characters look super good
OH YEAH I FORGOT THEY AHVE THE HOODED GREMLINS I LOVE
slow prawn
You mean the Watchers?
rose thorn
YEAH THE LITTLE MEN
so the dark angels arent a fan of primaris? shame their start collecting is pure primaris
BUT WAIT I CAN MAKE THEM EUROPEAN AND NOT TATICUGLY
slow prawn
Huh?
rose thorn
i mean more knightish
slow prawn
Ah, ok
rose thorn
i really dont like hoe primaris look
slow prawn
And Tbf, the Dark Angels are less averse to the Primaris than before
There are still Primaris marines in the chapter
And they’re letting them into the Inner Circle on a case by case basis
rose thorn
Better than just rbute forcing themselves into it
'NOW EVERYONE IS PRIMARIS NO MORE ROMANS'
I’ll Probably have my first space marine army be dark angels then
still atlas
TFW no salamanders
eternal ledge
If you so much is say the word fallen they will kill you
brittle nebula
Yes
alpine ingot
I just wish DA stories didn't bounce between pretty good, to laughably parody levels of stupid.
for instance there is an audio drama where a DA sergeant comes back to a world he helped save from a chaos cult and makes a old war veteran retell his story. at the end of the story he decries the vet as a traitor and executes him in the middle of a banquet celebrating their liberation.
all because he didn't understand that the Space Marine that aided them was actually a member of the fallen.
crisp heath
storm jungle
Yeah but theres a difference between grimdark and dumbdark
vapid tiger
dumbdark is shit like that one story where the arbites hesitate to shoot down a refugee craft and when it lands it turns out to be genestealer cultists
And the arbites are like
"Wow we really should've killed any incoming refugees huh"
and that's the moral????
storm jungle
Lmfao
the arbites are a parody of police brutality so i guess that matches at least
🇺🇸
plush mason
they are just judge dreadd+FBI
plush mason
so what a lot of american police think they are got it lol
atomic pelican
Based GSC tricking boots to later rip them apart
plush mason
no arrest quotas tho right?
atomic pelican
storm jungle
It kinda depends from arbites to arbite jokes aside
they usually wont give a shit unless you actively hinder the production quota of a planet or hive city
so they are more about protecting the output of the system
plush mason
well yeah thats their job. to keep the planet paying the tithe
everything else they just let the enforcers and local courts handle iirc
storm jungle
Enforcers are their foot troops so yep
vapid tiger
the arbites are a parody of police brutality so i guess that matches at least
I'd say it was parody but the author's fb had a lot of anti-refugee stuff on it
storm jungle
Who?
storm jungle
oof
vapid tiger
Duncan Waugh
atomic pelican
Least racist british male
plush mason
lol
odd sparrow
We have fun here
vapid tiger
Least racist british male
Br*tish
all problems with 40k's writing stem from the ENGLISH TAINT woven into it and its authors
the imperium is just what happens when ur society is run by tories
a cautionary tale of what happens when you let the br*tish overrun the galaxy
plush mason
lol
desert moat
aite go off lad
vast frigate
Enforcers are their foot troops so yep
wheres the bulge
plush mason
wheres the bulge
the what?
spice orchid
what's a good entry point/source i can direct my friend to who wants to know more about WHF lore
brittle nebula
Start with a small book. Dang my memory fails me I don’t remember what the one I started with.
Actually if they are interested in a particular faction, person or time. Find a book on that.
turbid cosmos
started with Ciaphas Cane
vapid tiger
They're talking about whf tho
turbid cosmos
ooo
storm jungle
what's a good entry point/source i can direct my friend to who wants to know mor...
Absolutely Gotrek and Felix books
they are dark and fun
Start with Trollslayer first
vapid tiger
Omg it's been a hot minute since I read trollslayer
unborn ruin
storm jungle
Trollslayer is legitimately great
supple plume
That's how cops work
You a cop ?
vapid tiger
No?
fallen bloom
Are the dwarves in trollslayer like the one in ravandils quest?
storm jungle
Not really
Just stubborn and the book drives in the point that the golden age of the dwarves are gone and they are pretty much in decline. You can probably guess why.
Gotrek's pretty great in it tho.
rose thorn
I wish there was a giant robot army like the knights for xenos
weak fern
Necron don't really have it
spice orchid
battleship mech
plucky chasm
flesh boat
rose thorn
I mean like a xenos army in the same style of knights
plucky chasm
tau
rose thorn
Yeah that’s what I was thinking too, but the eldar codex wasn’t really made to work with an army like that I believe.
Orks lean a bit towards working with it but you will still be missing out
Tau as well
Tryanids I don’t even think they have any units like that
spice orchid
carnifexes
rose thorn
Nah they are more dreadnaught sized
storm jungle
Yeah that’s what I was thinking too, but the eldar codex wasn’t really made to w...
Yeah alas only the Imperium gets the most in-depth robot stuff since they're the flagship faction
Most eldar titan lore is as old as rogue trader
rose thorn
If a xenos knight/titan style faction were to drop, do you think it would just be apart of another species or be its own unique species
‘Congrats! Eldar part 3!’
4 more like
storm jungle
Being a part of another faction would be better
40k is kinda in a bad spot where GW can barely support pre-existing factions as it is
rose thorn
Lmao yeah fair
atomic pelican
Yee
That and existing xeno titan lore doesn't rlly support a army
Of fully titans/knight equals
Other than tau of course
The absolute largest gathering of wraithknights is Biel Tan's knight table of 13
Which is baller as fuck of course but
DUHFND
Or 9
I can't remember
It's either 9 or 13
rose thorn
Lmao that sounds fun asfuck
What Xenos army would work best with their own knight/titan equivalent codex
elder is the obvious choice
But necrons could be unique or GSCs would he hilarious
vapid tiger
You know what I don't get
brittle nebula
What?
vapid tiger
There's a lot of dumb shit in 40k but one thing that seems to grind people's gears is how void macrocannons are manually loaded by slaves because it's "not plausible"
bitch it's thematic and both fits the imperium and helps with the whole "age of sail IN SPACE" thing 40k mass space combat has
Also the art portrays it as being as practical as such a system could get
You have them using ropes/chains to pull a shell along a rail
brittle nebula
Well they can’t use robots for loading
vapid tiger
It's not like they're manually picking it up and slotting it in
vapid tiger
Well they can’t use robots for loading
Yeah that's for the mechanicus
Or maybe certain chaos warships because dark mechanicum
vapid tiger
Like if using slaves to manually load macrocannons is implausible and "too impractical" for you just wait until you see a leman russ tank
or space marine pauldrons
or chainswords
brittle nebula
(Superior technology intensifying)
storm jungle
Like if using slaves to manually load macrocannons is implausible and "too impra...
Nobody says its implausible
its just dumb af lmao
An Eldar, Tau, Necron or any other advanced ship will have torn them apart by the time a second salvo can be even loaded
weak fern
If i'm good in last Rogue Trader it's just Mechanicus with Mechanized reloading
storm jungle
its clearly a thing they added for purely visuals without any thought into it
vapid tiger
Same thing with chainswords tho
A chainsword would get bogged down in flesh and blood within a few or possibly just one kill
storm jungle
Yeah but changing the subject into something else always bogs the argument.
vapid tiger
Also bfg goes out of its way to say that each shooting round that isn't point defense is done over the course of several minutes or hours
storm jungle
At the end of the day macro-cannon manual loading is just a thing for added grimdank.
storm jungle
Some things in 40k are stuff you can suspend your disbelief for
but some of them can absolutely get too silly
its why most people point them out to begin with
storm jungle
But anyway yeah thats the argument, in the end its simply stupid
vapid tiger
Nah it's thematic
storm jungle
if you want to roll with it thats your call
vapid tiger
I want my space sea shanties and manually loaded cannons dammit
brittle nebula
That’s why energy weapons are great you don’t need reload time. Well never mind some need to charge
storm jungle
Yeah that too
brittle nebula
I want my space sea shanties and manually loaded cannons dammit
That’s the Orks
vapid tiger
Orks manually load their cannons too
storm jungle
Thats because ork tech is made of junk
brittle nebula
Yes with grots as ammo
storm jungle
the Imperium has manual loading because it looks grimdark
theres no proper reasoning behind it
vapid tiger
Yes with grots as ammo
Except for the massive looted/junk created macrocannons they make
brittle nebula
Except for the massive looted/junk created macrocannons they make
Lol that too
cerulean wagon
imperium cannons are manual loaded except from all the cases where they arent
cerulean wagon
its ooold lore thats dumb af
storm jungle
The only art of it is from that ancient BFG book as well which was posted above
if you want to believe in that be our guest but don't call out people finding it weird lmao
vapid tiger
theres no proper reasoning behind it
There's no proper reason why the leman russ tank can survive on a battlefield for so long while being such a huge target
Or how space marines can move their arms properly outside of artwork that depicts the pauldrons as moving but even that can only go so far
vapid tiger
There's other implausible stuff in 40k
cerulean wagon
also leman russes have this thing called armour
brittle nebula
It will happen a lot
storm jungle
We know krug.
cerulean wagon
its how tanks work
big vehicle, big armour, big gun
the abrams isnt exactly a stealth vehicle
brittle nebula
also leman russes have this thing called armour
Even a tyranid can open that up
cerulean wagon
"even a tyranid" as if the tyranids arent weird bioweapons designed to kill everything
brittle nebula
Yes
storm jungle
Kill.
atomic pelican
This is why I love eldar tech lore. Its almost always just "yeee mate its wraithbone magic and its wicked"
FBDBD
vapid tiger
also leman russes have this thing called armour
And other tanks have things called anti tank guns
Tanks are eliminated in one successful penetrating hit from another tank generally
So anything that can pierce the armor is going to make mincemeat of the tank, which is why tanks are generally designed to be low to the ground and try to get as short as they can be
storm jungle
This is why I love eldar tech lore. Its almost always just "yeee mate its wraith...
Same.
cerulean wagon
"guys dw even necron gauss can go through this"
plucky chasm
brittle nebula
It goes through everything
cerulean wagon
This is why I love eldar tech lore. Its almost always just "yeee mate its wraith...
wraiths are robonecromancy and i love it
atomic pelican
Mfw warhammer 40k becomes a game of just pointing out missile strikes because thats how modern warfare actually is
atomic pelican
wraiths are robonecromancy and i love it
Yess
storm jungle
Mfw warhammer 40k becomes a game of just pointing out missile strikes because th...
TAU MOMENT.
atomic pelican
LMAO
brittle nebula
That’s what they do. They are molecular Deconstructors
vapid tiger
Ugh fine I'll stop being insufferable
plucky chasm
cerulean wagon
And other tanks have things called anti tank guns
Tanks are eliminated in one s...
in a standard tank on tank engagement actually no, see tanks taking 80+ shells and still rolling
remember 40k is based on the hreatest hits of our time (as a very weird simplification), so the tanks are based on ww2 combat
vapid tiger
in a standard tank on tank engagement actually no, see tanks taking 80+ shells a...
Those shells didn't penetrate
If a modern sabot round penetrates another tank, everyone inside is going to be reduced to fine mist
vapid tiger
So you need a smaller target to win tank engagements
cerulean wagon
no
cerulean wagon
you need better armour, unless you are facing something that negates the improvements to armour
see: IG vs tau
vapid tiger
The leman russ is big enough to be impossible to not hit
plush mason
yeah its armor is crazy thick iirc
vapid tiger
If a leman russ encounters another tank with anything capable of penetrating it (using 3rd-7th ed terms, anything str 9 or more) it's a matter of who fires first
cerulean wagon
its thicc by the standards of the era it is based on yeah
vapid tiger
So a lascannon
cerulean wagon
300mm thicc and slopped, which is thicker than any ww2 fielded vehicle
vapid tiger
Which everyone has
weak fern
I just play Mechanicus because i love thoose "steampunk Grim" look good and i love paint them
cerulean wagon
except not everyone has las cannons
and the leman russ isnt always the one to shoot last
like
atomic pelican
If a leman russ encounters another tank with anything capable of penetrating it ...
Very few anti tank weapons go above s8 other than very specialized ones, usually
vapid tiger
Yes but tanks are supposed to have counters to anti-armor weapons that are reflected in the design
This is why sloped armor exists and why tanks have been getting flatter since ww2
storm jungle
Its like actual war, not everyone has an RPG
cerulean wagon
you are yelling about "but tanks die when they are hit with anti tank"
atomic pelican
Fire prisms and hammerheads
vapid tiger
you are yelling about "but tanks die when they are hit with anti tank"
If the armor is as flat as a russ yes
vapid tiger
The entire side isn't and most of the front is way more flat than even a sherman
I mean it doesn't make me enjoy the universe any less
vapid tiger
It's just equally implausible as manually loaded macrocannons
cerulean wagon
seen an actual tank
cause i hate to tell you
their sides are kinda flat
like, all of them
vapid tiger
Notice how the flat side is quite short
Now look at the russ
Where the flat side is extremely big
plucky moth
first thing I'm noticing is the leman is made out of plastic and that simply isn't going to hold up
plucky chasm
i agree
vapid tiger
first thing I'm noticing is the leman is made out of plastic and that simply isn...
Exactly
atomic pelican
They gave it a 2+sv that mfer has a better save than most vehicles
cerulean wagon
also
vapid tiger
Let's just drop it
cerulean wagon
the difference in size between a sherman and a leman russ
vapid tiger
I have become insufferable
cerulean wagon
is like 2ft
astral isle
in the 41st millennium, technology has regressed so much that plastic tanks and armor are all anyone has
storm jungle
LOL
cerulean wagon
should be glad its not paper
plush mason
first thing i notice about the leman russ is its pos track system
plucky chasm
triangle
cerulean wagon
its a ww1 track system
plush mason
yes
vapid tiger
Sorry guys
plush mason
and is shit
cerulean wagon
its for trench crossing
plush mason
there is a reason it was replaced so quickly
cerulean wagon
mostly because trench warfare died
plush mason
no cuz the more advanced track system made in the 20s does its job better and faster
cerulean wagon
that do be how tech works
plucky moth
cerulean wagon
time go forward
storm jungle
I appreciate people trying to explain all this shit
when it was just two english dudes
being all
"Lets just add a tank top to this WW1 tank it looks cool af"
cerulean wagon
it looks dope
storm jungle
Yeah thats it lmao
plush mason
lol i agree it does look cool
storm jungle
Yeah its like
the same as necron tech
"How does this gun kill people
"It discomsciencefuckeryprotons them"
"Ah cool"
plush mason
the leman russ is one of the most iconic things about warhammer 40k and the IG
cerulean wagon
it discums 
storm jungle
💀
plush mason
lol
vapid tiger
"Lets just add a tank top to this WW1 tank it looks cool af"
U rite
storm jungle
😩
plucky chasm
plucky chasm
cerulean wagon
dilara blimp head smh
plush mason
lol
atomic pelican
Its ok atleast it was smthing other than darktide wen
plush mason
true
plush mason
stg i didn't want to sound like medic
dont worry you didnt from what i have heard of the guy
storm jungle
stg i didn't want to sound like medic
Yeah man you didnt do anything wrong lmao
You'd need to have REAL shit takes to be like that dude
vapid tiger
I'm just anxious from work
storm jungle
that macro cannon thing is basically a "agree to disagree" deal
vapid tiger
You'd need to have REAL shit takes to be like that dude
Ah yes
"DARKTIDE SHOULD NOT HAVE NORMAL LOOKING GUARDSMEN THEY LOOK LIKE CADIANS THEY SHOULD NOT LOOK LIKE THAT"
spice orchid
im sad i wasnt around for that
storm jungle
Watch that vid and you'll basically get the entire rundown
it got so bad since nobody ever agreed with him and it turned into like 6v1 arguments
spice orchid
excuse me what
storm jungle
It also went down to things like "the Chapter got a pointy sigil, they must be related to this Founding Chapter."
which id get but theres no zero lore evidence
spice orchid
it got so bad since nobody ever agreed with him and it turned into like 6v1 argu...
i would fucking hope not lmao
storm jungle
Lmao yeah in the end if you want to dive into it just type "medic" in the lore chat search bar and go ntus
spice orchid
ntus
vapid tiger
It also went down to things like "the Chapter got a pointy sigil, they must be r...
The worst part is that he never used the words "probably" and "possibly"
Only absolutes
storm jungle
YEP.
Also having a fetish over relic items
and getting mad that chaos marines didnt keep them in pristine condition
like aaaaa
storm jungle
atomic pelican
Mfw Medals on krieger 
storm jungle
then went to rage about it on reddit
atomic pelican
LMAO
storm jungle
vapid tiger
Like for example there's a random no-lore chapter called The Brotherhood of a Thousand
They have the same symbol as the pre-Magnus thousand sons and have that name, so they're PROBABLY meant to be 1k sons in terms of geneseed
But it's only a possibility because there's no lore on them
Medic would see the symbol
And see it as UNDISPUTABLE CANON
storm jungle
YEP
I get theorising to a point but jesus christ
and whenever someone says the opposite they're the bad guy 
vapid tiger
Ahd then he'd get mad whenever I quoted that most successors of unknown heritage are probably ultramarines successors. Despite authors saying it
cerulean wagon
i scrubbed him from memory tbh
storm jungle
We all try
vapid tiger
"If you like space marines, you like ultramarine successors" - ADB
Flashback to my friend writing an ultramarine successor that was nothing like the ultramarines and it was hilarious
Well I helped him
storm jungle
I guess the lesson in the end is that dont be a dick
then again he left of his own volition and got banned from other 40k servers too so beats me
plucky moth
what was annoying is I got dragged in because he was getting "bullied"
which like yes, but also maybe if you didn't piss literally everyone off there'd be no bullying
victim blaming mod smh what have I become 
storm jungle
Yeah like i said id get it if the argument was understandable but it was literally always everyone against him
plucky chasm
cerulean wagon
"GUYS IM TELLING YOU, THERES SKAVEN IN NECROMUNDA. EVERY RATMAN IS THE SAME."
smh racist
storm jungle
vapid tiger
then again he left of his own volition and got banned from other 40k servers too...
Idk if he got banned from the 40k tts community discord
Tabletop sim tts I mean
Not text to speech
storm jungle
I wouldnt be surprised.
vapid tiger
Probably not
storm jungle
He's in like every fucking 40k server.
vapid tiger
I and several others got banned for "bullying" a literal nazi
spice orchid
gross
vapid tiger
And medic seemed to have frequent chats with him in that server's lore channel and they'd always be in agreement
It was very weird
spice orchid
that's pretty sus
storm jungle
Yeah some 40k servers are like that
same as how the I.G server is memed to death
since a large chunk of its userbase is literal fascists or just assholes
spice orchid
Yeah some 40k servers are like that
i was honestly expecting this server to be like that (this is my first 40k server lol)
storm jungle
storm jungle
Yeah tend to always accidentally bait them too
I mentioned an actual transcron existing last week and one dude lost his shit
before getting banned
spice orchid
nice
plush mason
lol
cerulean wagon
also helps like, a lot of people coming here are here because "ooh cool scifi game"
so we can talk actual lore and not memes or racism
plucky moth
i was honestly expecting this server to be like that (this is my first 40k serve...
not for as long as I can help it
can't do shit about the general chat melting down into a puddle of fried brain matter over spring though
spice orchid
lol yeah
storm jungle
poor Incorrick
spice orchid
i mean, you could, but that might be overstepping
vapid tiger
I mentioned an actual transcron existing last week and one dude lost his shit
He was fuckin
ANGRY
storm jungle
HE WAS.
vapid tiger
He was not however, fucking.
plucky moth
yeah he got very upset lmao
storm jungle
💀
plucky moth
what's funny is when he knew I was clearly just waiting to see how far he'd dig
he decided to keep going anyway
storm jungle
Yeah he went nuts
vapid tiger
what no bitches does to a man
atomic pelican
plucky moth
atomic pelican
AA
plush mason
lol
spice orchid
username and pfp check out
atomic pelican
Censorship 1984
cerulean wagon
wtf did i miss
brittle nebula
Found it
plucky moth
I love how this is literally the first time I've abused mod powers
cerulean wagon
i saw a msg and it went
plucky moth
and it's for a fucking meme
cerulean wagon
atomic pelican
LMAO
storm jungle
i saw a msg and it went
We are dunking on that one dude who went nuts over a transcron in lore
"ITS NOT POSSIBLE"
cerulean wagon
DEMOD INCAN
storm jungle
Me:
posts lore experpt
plush mason
no
plucky moth
i saw a msg and it went
Proud made the same joke I did but earlier so I deleted it so now I made the joke first 
storm jungle
modding bully ftw
brittle nebula
Oh no he’s using his powers
atomic pelican
This is just like the imperium 1984 smh
spice orchid
im a mod on a server i havent talked in in months
vapid tiger
cerulean wagon
atomic pelican
Skele how do u have a emote like that for everytging
Amaz
GRR
BARK BARK HISS
GROWL
cerulean wagon
BARK BARK HISS
plucky moth
I believe in reciprocity
atomic pelican
AA THAT WAS @ INCAN
plucky moth
atomic pelican
RHQHD
plucky moth
lmao
cerulean wagon
Skele how do u have a emote like that for everytging
because i am a man of few talents, all of them useless
atomic pelican
Purveyor of emotes is a useful talent
brittle nebula
Your not useless
plucky moth
because i am a man of few talents, all of them useless
could be worse, you could be a necron
brittle nebula
I’m still here you know
atomic pelican
plucky moth
cerulean wagon
brittle nebula
I was going to say that
cerulean wagon
dude i literally could not explain it'd take too long
just understand its alternate chad
brittle nebula
More!
cerulean wagon
could be worse, you could be a necron
god tell me about it
brittle nebula
This meme must spread
brittle nebula
vapid tiger
Gotta love gw's numbers
"Imperial guard fight wars where they outnumber an entire planetary population's worth of people"
proceeds to list that 11,000 guardsmen fought in a planetary war
presumably the same guy who wrote that 5 terminators can conquer a planet
storm jungle
Yeah thats one lore aspect basically anyone ridicules so thats good at least
i get that math is hard but jeez
spice orchid
the horus heresussy
: Horus, I dunno man, you've been acting pretty sus lately.
vapid tiger
Yeah thats one lore aspect basically anyone ridicules so thats good at least
What's weird is the people who defend it
Because they exist
LIKE ARCH APPARENTLY
NO REALLY HE'S NOT JUST A HORRIBLE PERSON HE'S ALSO NOT EVEN GOOD AT ESPOUSING LORE HE JUST REPEATS FLIMSY JUSTIFICATIONS FOR BAD NUMBERS AND THEN HEADCANONS ACTUALLY IMPORTANT STUFF???
vapid tiger
No idea why he got big
storm jungle
It was a simpler time back then
that and i suppose 40k youtubers were kinda at their ifancy
dusk widget
<:emperor:610918577792483338> : Horus, I dunno man, you've been acting pretty su...
This is non-canonical. It was more like
Magnus the Red: bursts through the Webway Father, Horus is sus!
Big E: I dunno man, you sound pretty sus to me. Wouldn't the imposter try to blame someone else after sabotaging something like what you just did?
Russ: Yeah sounds pretty sus to me, but we have no proof yet so lets keep an eye on Magnus.
Horus: DMs Russ psst I saw Magnus vent
slow prawn
You know what I always thought was kinda funny. That Russ and probably a lot of other people thought Magnus made up the whole Horus betrayal thing because he wanted to engineer a scenario where his magic would save the day. That sounds reasonable, except if Magnus was actually scheming that, wouldn’t he create a more believable scenario, instead of one everyone thought they saw right through
alpine ingot
As far as I know, the only time Arch has really head cannoned a lore video and army numbers is one particular part in the siege of vraks series and that is because how according to him the way that section of the book was written didn't make much sense as it required more companies involved in a regiment that was barely at half strength yet it was acting like they were twice the size of a full strength regiment, and there was the Inquisitor pov issue.
signal hill
This is non-canonical. It was more like
> Magnus the Red: *bursts through the We...
Reading that hurt
dusk widget
Good.
signal hill
Are you tzeentch in disguise?
plush mason
if every grey knight is a psyker what is the point of their librarians?
distant parcel
theyre bigger psykers
vast frigate
its so edgy
its as the memes say
''Sister, why do space marines have such a low recruit count?''
I honestly wouldnt know sister.
--Meanwhile--
''We should make our initiates drink blood and sleep in a coffin for a year''
We let ours walk 20 miles in snow, naked
barren tapir
Also the 666 words of power
cunning wigeon
isnt there a raven guard successor chapter that literally has all their recruits literally die for a few minutes
death spectres or something
astral isle
the exorcists: "lmao just have them get possessed by a daemon"
storm jungle
death spectres or something
Oh god
vast frigate
theres also that chapter that literally cuts off their hands or some shit, then forces their recruits to ram the nerve spikes of the augmetic hands in themselves before they bleed out
the cut is done by chainsword
storm jungle
cunning wigeon
what do tehy even ram it in with then?
oh yeah forgot about the breeding planet thing
storm jungle
We all did
cunning wigeon
when i read that even with the other stuff that was wtff
storm jungle
yeah and they actually call the woman "prime stock"
i get grimdark but some people dont wanna read that shit either
vast frigate
i mean
its 40k
thats the whack shit an edgy author gets to do
remember the daemoncu-
storm jungle
AAAAAAAAA-
cunning wigeon
i get grimdark but some people dont wanna read that shit either <:KEK:6463097825...
unfortunately some people do...
vast frigate
i mean i get it
the galaxy is fucked up
slaanesh has steeds that tongue-fuck people so theyre paralyzed but still feel everything etc etc etc etc
But holy shit dude thats like, common sense, we know this happens
Dont add a full book describing it
storm jungle
Yeah that
its what I meant with it earlier, the average reader doesnt want to read this shit
add in more war crimes instead
cunning wigeon
the authors reflect the part of the community that think edgy = cool
alpine ingot
Ah Dead Sky, Black Sun. Full of such wonderful mental trauma.
Like the skin farms that the iron warriors ran.
Or the dark mechanicum adepts that ran a part laboratory part torture dungeon and part butcher shop.
That labeled our protagonist and his group as "meat" and then went on a tangent about how the human skeletal structure makes us poor livestock material.
As he butchers a librarians corpse like a side of beef.
plush mason
so does the grey knight helmet have any effect on their psyker abillity?
vapid tiger
theres also that chapter that literally cuts off their hands or some shit, then ...
The Iron Hands?
They chop off their hands
Well they chop off one hand at first
And then keep going
plush mason
kek
vapid tiger
Well their blood does clot instantly
Wait
It's neophytes
So theirs doesn't
Damn
That is dumb
But fits I guess
proper helm
yeah and they actually call the woman "prime stock"
what
storm jungle
Yes.
The Space Marine had lost his helm in the battle, revealing a stark visage, almost completely devoid of pigment. The skin was corpse white, with closely cropped hair the colour of snow and eyes as red as the blood that flowed freely from a fresh wound across his pale cheek. ‘She took on a Flayed one single-handedly,’ he reported, almost sounding proud. ‘Strength of will as well as body. Unusual for a human.’
‘Then we have chosen well, Karnos,’ Vilda replied, shoving Alundra towards the albino. ‘Prime stock. Take her to the transport.’
‘Wait,’ Alundra pleaded, as Karnos clutched her arms tightly. ‘I’ll go with you, as long as you take my brother too.’ Vilda reached forwards, grabbing her cheeks between thumb and forefinger.
‘Listen to me, girl,’ the Death Spectre snarled. ‘If it were up to me you would all burn. Too many of my brothers have been lost rescuing you from these unholy aberrations.’
‘Sergeant Vilda,’ Quintus warned, glancing up the road. ‘Another wave of necrons approaching...’ But Vilda didn’t acknowledge his battle-brother.
‘The Megir has ordered we select the best specimens from your settlement, those strong and healthy enough to bear future generations who might join the ranks of the Death Spectres.’ Prime stock. Vilda’s early comment replayed in her mind, filling her with a deeper horror than the Flayers had ever induced.
‘Suitable colonies are few and far between this far from the heart of the Imperium. An Exterminatus order has been issued and you will be taken to a suitable breeding world near Occludus. A glorious future awaits, girl. You will serve your Emperor well.’
Behind her, Karnos released one of her arms to fire into the approaching Flayers. It was the chance Alundra had been waiting for, a distraction she could use to escape, but the fight had gone, stripped as easily as the ghouls could have flensed her skin. ‘Sir,’ Quintus prompted, ‘we should make for the extraction point.’
‘Agreed,’ Vilda acknowledged, pushing Alundra’s face away sharply. Her head cracked painfully against Karnos’s chestplate.
‘Bring her.’
Alundra didn’t struggle as Karnos plunked her from her feet. Instead she stared into the glazing eyes of her brother as he lay in the rampaging necrons’ path, bleeding out in the baking sun.
@proper helm
vapid tiger
incel marines
Karaknornclansman is fine
Edgy but I like oldhammer art and his art is oldhammer inspired
storm jungle
He's done art of concentration camps but 40k
vapid tiger
He goes a little too far tho sometimes
storm jungle
so eh
vapid tiger
Exactly
storm jungle
Yeah that
vapid tiger
I like his less edgy art
prime kernel
He's done art of concentration camps but 40k
Jesus why?!
vapid tiger
He's weirdly not a chud he's just weird
frosty cobalt
Yea ive chatted with him and he regrets that. He does research on all the shitty human regimes from medieval to now
And he only did that one piece
vapid tiger
He drew it because "well they do have death camps, i felt like I had to draw it because people need to know the imperium is evil"
Which makes sense it's just
Not in good taste
Hence why he regrets it
frosty cobalt
He just said he wanted to do atleast one, since it is a prevailing thing in shitty human regimes
But yea i think he might have taken that one offline
spice orchid
well
frosty cobalt
I dont like it, but a lot of his less edgy work is great
spice orchid
that's not as bad as it could have been
prime kernel
concentration camps are very 40k
I remember their being sterilization camps and shit
Dont remember death camps
vapid tiger
vapid tiger
Dont remember death camps
They'll do it for mutants
prime kernel
They'll do it for mutants
Oh.
vapid tiger
There's one description in a bl novel of a tau death uh
Well not a death camp but a death march into a volcano
spice orchid
any planet can be a death camp with the application of exterminatus
frosty cobalt
any planet can be a death camp with the application of exterminatus
This yea
prime kernel
any planet can be a death camp with the application of exterminatus
That was my logic
Then again
frosty cobalt
They call em sterilization camps or labor camps in the books
prime kernel
A death camp on a mining world would be a good call
vapid tiger
The tau volcano passage is just depressing
turbid cosmos
I remember their being sterilization camps and shit
they genocide what they consider abhumans. pretty death campy to me, minus the camp
frosty cobalt
Yea most death world mines/harvesting ops would prolly be that way
vapid tiger
The Imperium IS racist just not towards actual races
Instead it's made allegorical through exterminating mutants and oppressing abhumans
prime kernel
Aaah 40k
prime kernel
The Imperium IS racist just not towards actual races
Instead it's made allegori...
Shouldnt you call that speciest or mutanist ?
prime kernel
Cause technicly an abhuman is a diffrent species of human
vapid tiger
Ehhhhh they're somewhere between races and subspecies
prime kernel
No
vapid tiger
The results just won't be pretty
turbid cosmos
the whole great crusade Horus era was wiping out basically humans for just wanting to remain independant
entire planets and systems
turbid cosmos
im sure the left overs after "liberation" saw their share of "re-education" camps
true on the numbers thing
prime kernel
Though while the imperium is evil as fuck i cant call it a fascist state because it is unable to have total control. Its more like a. Medieval kingdom with a shiton of vassals.
frosty cobalt
<@!175076712885780480> only 100 worlds
Where does it say only 100 world?
prime kernel
Where does it say only 100 world?
Tts 🤣
prime kernel
Oh bitch please cannon changes all the time
frosty cobalt
Its a hell of a lot more
frosty cobalt
Canon not cannon
prime kernel
Oh
frosty cobalt
Ye
prime kernel
Thanks
turbid cosmos
lol
frosty cobalt
Nw
turbid cosmos
to boomlover canon = cannon
prime kernel
👍
turbid cosmos
appropriate
frosty cobalt
Pffft
prime kernel
@turbid cosmos fuck it cannon it is
turbid cosmos
lolol
prime kernel
So yeah just because it isnt cannon doesnt mean its dope
frosty cobalt
I mean if ur headcanoning it, why not go bigger instead of smaller
prime kernel
Again though why does everyone call the imperium fascist? Its unable to have total control thus does not fit the term at all. That and theirs planets in the imperium that are just full blown democracy
So like
Eh?
What is a good appropriate term for the imperium ?
Imperial
turbid cosmos
1often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition```i mean, i dont wanna be that guy, but it seems to fit
frosty cobalt
Again though why does everyone call the imperium fascist? Its unable to have tot...
Remember its an ideology not a form of government
prime kernel
Ooooooh
frosty cobalt
They are 100% fascist
prime kernel
@frosty cobalt thank you 👍
frosty cobalt
Explicitly written as such
frosty cobalt
Nope
prime kernel
Still like the guard though.
turbid cosmos
i think they only place it diverts from pure fascism by definition is it doesnt have a functional dictator
storm jungle
turbid cosmos
totally.
storm jungle
Yeah the Imperium has a lot of evil government ruling-styles but fascism is 100% one of them.
prime kernel
@frosty cobalt dont forget military junta.
storm jungle
People who argue against that tend to be really weird
frosty cobalt
Yea thats why i wanted to correct it
storm jungle
Yeee
its not full on nazi germany but they do still do half the shit they have also done and worse
turbid cosmos
i think the people that argue against it primarily havent read any of the books
prime kernel
@storm jungle we know i was just confused because the imperium doesnt have total control over everything. Which is why i found it weird everyone calls it as such.
storm jungle
Ye i know
storm jungle
i think the people that argue against it primarily havent read any of the books
Yeee that too
storm jungle
people also get really protective over the Imperium and sometimes dont want to admit its a rotten war machine
frosty cobalt
<@!166943308231344128> we know i was just confused because the imperium doesnt ...
Even if a planet is democratic, they still pay tithe and devotion to the enporor and the imperium
prime kernel
@frosty cobalt yeah but thats it.