40k-lore-chat

[plush mason]

lol

[shadow plover]

The indomitus one was good because you saw a guardsman get incinerated

[coral gazelle]

will they be ok?

[storm jungle]

He's dead so no

[coral gazelle]

shit

[vast frigate]

Didnt you hear the iconic trademarked Ultramarine Primaris scream.

Cmon now

[coral gazelle]

sorry only started to play space marine yesterday

[storm jungle]

You shall learn

in time

[barren tapir]

Wow, and yet it was utter shit for lore purpose

[shadow plover]

Why?

[barren tapir]

It clash with other already established lore with helmets, and how the armour was also portrayed

Also the stupid eye lens part lol

[cerulean wagon]

i mean

it doesn't clash with any lore, its primaris

we've seen them use just the face plate sections

[shadow plover]

The helmet part has been like that for years though

[barren tapir]

https://external-preview.redd.it/oHbpnL0fXu5s4SHzZN8UJLLwX2U3JHUCTI1bYIfTHvk.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=0eac1a64516b7ca0dd3b1ff8942b523043b61187

Helmet in one piece on the belt

Every part of the helmet indicate that it is a single piece

[shadow plover]

There's a lieutenant with it in two pieces

[barren tapir]

I might have missed it, do you have any image?

[plush mason]

that doesnt mean it isnt assembled in 2 pieces when being put on at first

opps wrong message meent to reply to the one above it lol

[barren tapir]

Interesting... Wonder how they explain the void use for it then...

[shadow plover]

And I'm pretty sure I glossed over a part with helmet like that in one of the dark imperium books

Futuristic extra effective seals

[plush mason]

yeah

[shadow plover]

No need to explain silly lore like that really

But it would be neat

[plush mason]

hell doesnt the lore say that SM form a cocoon around themselves when in empty space?

[barren tapir]

By going with this seems that the upper part don't have any actual link to the lower one, wonder where those lines are, because other helmet images show them like a single piece

[plush mason]

i can see the seam right around the ear piece on that helmet

[marsh grail]

This is how the fenrisien kraken adapted to the planet

Also whatever is on catachan

[signal hill]

On top of everything this is a rather stupid design
why would you explicitly expose your cranium and make it an easy target and nothing else?
...wait...is that a corona-mask thing?

[shadow plover]

The design predates corona

[final spruce]

Plot armour is stronger than power armour

[shadow plover]

It's classic wh40k, no helmet to battle etc

It's nothing new

And painting skin is fun in all that power armour

[steep rover]

imagine still being upset abt exposed heads in 40k in the year of our lord 2022

[shadow plover]

Yeah

Also exposed heads are dope

[worn fern]

The Thousand Sons werent complaining about exposed heads during the burning of prospero

[storm jungle]

LOL

The fact that this actually happens makes it even funnier

[plush mason]

when your shoulder armor is 3 foot thick your head is a very small target no matter what

[vast frigate]

So thats why the emperors children wear schlong armor

[worn fern]

it makes me wonder why Devastators dont use thicker armour on their Left Arms, sort of like this:

due to how they are usually the ones standing unmoving with a big gun

[steep rover]

I can see them wearing a supplementary piece kinda like the new Templar Marshal has

his left pauldron has that extra layer thingy

Hell even just the tilting shield

[storm jungle]

Thats more of a medieval thing

its for sigils/ranks/heraldry

doesnt really serve as actual armor and more of a decoration-honor

[steep rover]

Oh i didnt mean that

[storm jungle]

👀

[steep rover]

i mean this thingy

[storm jungle]

AH that

[steep rover]

it sort of layers on top of a normal size pauldron

maybe it would look goofy lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah its also just another case of

"Models come first, lore and realism later"

[steep rover]

true lol

[spice orchid]

Was a reason ever given for there not being any female custodes?

[fluid bone]

incompatibility?

[storm jungle]

I gotchu fam 1 sec

[fluid bone]

searching as well

[storm jungle]

Not exactly. What I was saying was, at the time of working on the lore, there was no reason they couldn't be male or female (and as far as things still stand, there's still no lore reason they can't be). But there is a non-lore reason, which was the previous IP overlord saying "There are no female Custodian models, they're all male, so don't write any female ones."

There was also a Studio mandate a couple of years after that, saying "Don't do female Custodians." Again, that seemed to tie in with the release of an all-male mini line.

Two very rare moments of direction from on-high.

I don't want to argue about what that may or may not mean, since although I'm ambivalent to the notion of female Space Marines (really, they'd make such little difference at the end result, I couldn't care less what gender they start out as), several creators actively thought female Custodians would've been cool, and there was no lore against it. (Hell, we were in the position to make lore for it.)

But long story short, no, the answer seems to be "There aren't any", though the reasons aren't in-universe (yet?).

Basically short version:

Management is lazy/doesn't really want to invest in the idea. That above portion was said by one of the Black Library writers.

Female custodians isn't far fetched as an idea either since their creation process is waved away as "gene-alchemy" and not elaborated upon. So its mostly just a marketing decision.

[fluid bone]

From what we know, they are technically possible. The thing is though that Custodes are so altered by the gene-enhancements. They are changed at the genetic level to a ridiculous extent. So, while technically possible, they simply would not be different to 'male' Custodes in any way except perhaps appearance wise (By this I mean facial structure). They would not have any secondary sexual characteristics simply because they're unnecessary, the children are taken in early infancy and hormone treatment would render anything that could be described as a distinguishing factor invisible.

so it would be possible but creators simply say "no" even though some writers would somewhat welcome it

[storm jungle]

Yep that

[storm jungle]

Also I wouldn't trust this response

Yeah thats false.

Custodians show a lot of character in the books so gender differences would still be probably explored.

Its the same as how people say "if female marines existed they would look the same as the guys from all the hormone injections they get"

When in reality this would never be allowed since from an IRL modelling perspective nobody wants ugly unrecognizable women as a part of their army if they dont look any different unhelmeted from their male counterparts.

It's one of the reasons why people really like the Stormcasts since they're a good counter to this argument.

[fluid bone]

stormcasts?

[storm jungle]

Age of Sigmar's version of big armored not-marine people serving Sigmar.

[fluid bone]

hm and they are only made up of the souls of great warriors.

interesting

[storm jungle]

Yeee its a lot more noble-dark in a sense.

As long as you do something heroic before your demise you get picked to be one if you're pure of heart.

only downside is you go senile each time you die a bit before sigmar respawns you

[fluid bone]

ah so the most brutal form of alzheimer

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah

Nagash takes a part of their soul every time they die before they are respawned back into life

[tepid tapir]

didet there come a new type of stormcast where that flaw were to hav been fixed?

[storm jungle]

I... dont think so? Its a solid part of their lore but im not an AOS expert, I only know surface stuff.

Removing this element from them wouldn't make their role as dark so im pretty sure its still around.

[fluid bone]

great power always comes at a great price. but if they lost that now it sounds less badass to me

[storm jungle]

Yeah it would be weird if they removed it im pretty sure its still a thing

its like removing the gene-seed flaw of the Marines since nobody liked that

[fluid bone]

i wonder how the marine malevolent would act if they did not have their flaw anymore. since their flaw makes them big assholes

basically loyalist mini angrons

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah basically that probably

[fluid bone]

still. not trying to push anything. but i think having female versions would be somewhat cool. buuut we are so far that point since 30k that i do not think they could ever make this present without seeming to push female equality into it

not meant negatively. but some people do not react that well if something just gets forced unto them

i think it would be interesting tho nonetheless

[storm jungle]

Yeah trust me the only reason Marines dont have female members is because they have been male for a long time.

Its more of a thing of the upper management not wanting to risk it

Its why Stormcasts kind of exist as a fantasy alternative

[fluid bone]

yeah thats what i meant

GW has risked so much shit anyway so why not go for the full mile now? XD

i am pretty sure the LGBTQ community in wrhammer would welcome it

or at least the feminists

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

40k in general has been going really well in the inclusivity department

[rare cargo]

Personally, I think there's enough room to justify it, but its not exactly required that it be done

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

its just that nobody in GW wants to do it really

[barren tapir]

I would welcome female custodes as bodyguards of Erda, empress of mankind

[fluid bone]

hmm i do not think that really nobody of the writers would not do it. but i guess it is more of an managment issue

[storm jungle]

Yeee

Black Library isnt that free

well that and the writers

most big lore decisions need to be approved of first

[fluid bone]

isn't there a female eternal already? or whatever they are called? the mini emps basically immortal

[storm jungle]

Lmao

Perpetual

but uh

[barren tapir]

Erda

[fluid bone]

ah yes that was their name

[storm jungle]

Dan Abnett used to write for Marvel

so Eternals are literally the same thing as Perpetuals

especially with what they do in history etc

[fluid bone]

lol

[barren tapir]

Erda was the strongest after big E

[final spruce]

Yeah Perpetuals are a mistake

[storm jungle]

Yeah Abnett is a great writer but uh

hes more of an ideas person

[fluid bone]

how so?

[final spruce]

Its boring

Its a known trope and in the 40k universe you can do way better than just "lol will just respawn"

[storm jungle]

Imagine you are reading a 30k book, and every 10 pages it switches to some immortal human characters doing side-quests that dont amount to anything ever.

Now pad that across 20 books

[fluid bone]

. As the project began, Erda's skills as a geneticist greatly aided the Emperor, but he later also required her rare gene-stock for the Primarchs to be born. Combining Erda's genes with the Emperor's resulted in the birth of the Primarchs (making Erda functionally their mother in the same way the Emperor is their father)

what the fuck

[storm jungle]

LOL

[fluid bone]

erda basically mommy emps

[storm jungle]

Yeah so about that, Erda basically appeared 2-3 years ago

out of nowhere

as another perpetual

without any setup

But she got killed by Erebus in last year's Siege book

so she just had 2 appearances before going bye-bye

[fluid bone]

She despaired at the bitter future the Emperor had planned for them, with the Primarchs forcing humanity to claim the galaxy, and she tried to save her sons from him. While they were still infants, Erda caused the creation of a warp vortex which scattered the Primarchs across the galaxy,

oh ffs it is her fault then? not the floating reality tumors?

[barren tapir]

Perpetuals are awfully managed, but they would be actually great if used well, which sadly didn't happened

[fluid bone]

so erda is now super dead yes?

no respawning yes?

[storm jungle]

We dont know yet

Erebus says he managed to fully kill her

but its 40k so she can just magically come back

She did this after fighting 4 Greater Demons in a giant-amazon form btw

[fluid bone]

yeah i just read about that

[storm jungle]

Yeee but for "now" shes Dead™️

[fluid bone]

Erda revealed her true essence to be a tripartite being: a dark-skinned woman wielding a staff, a crone capable of freezing anything she touched, and youthful girl wielding a sickle

[storm jungle]

Yeee there it is

Erebus also has an anime "NANI!?" moment when he realises Erda's power isnt coming from the Warp

[fluid bone]

ah and vulkan is also listet as a pertpetual

explains why he never died "died"

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah he just constantly gets murdered instead

[fluid bone]

if his kindness was a weapons it would be a virus bomb making people smile

[storm jungle]

Most likely 🙏

[barren tapir]

NANI?!

[fluid bone]

ah found another female perpetual. Alivia Sureka

[barren tapir]

Erda is more interesting now

[fluid bone]

and emperors name is NEOTH????

wut

[barren tapir]

One of many

[storm jungle]

Yeah its not a solid name

Its more like the one he favored at that moment iirc

hes weird like that lol

[fluid bone]

well it is his only "human" name

other names make him seem like a "master"

while Neoth sounds like the weird kid at the edge of the street

[storm jungle]

Also valid

[spice orchid]

i love his work, but it gets tiring when everytime kara appears she is described as a voluptuous acrobat in a skintight bodyglove, like i get it, she be thicc

[storm jungle]

Welcome to male writers having no idea how to write female characters

[serene jungle]

I mean the best characters are in Planescape Torment

[prime kernel]

Can you blame them

[brittle coral]

Tbf I don't even think most female writers know how to write female characters

[storm jungle]

Yes

maybe actually hire female writers

[storm jungle]

Judging from the latest sororitas books id disagree lol

[brittle coral]

I'd have to read it to make any judgement on it

[prime kernel]

Ok but why though

[storm jungle]

...because 40k's writing of most female characters is shit?

I almost got 50+ Black Library books in my shelf and I can pretty much confirm it after having spent 2 years reading most of them as a woman lol

The figure moved into the light. She was tall, dressed in a simple uniform of black: boots, breeches, jacket. Her ash-fair hair was pinned tight up around her skull. Her face was calm, angular, lean, beautiful. “I am Lilith. Inquisitor Lilith.” Gaunt lowered the pistol and set it down on the side-table. “You have not requested my seal of office. You believe me then?” “I know of you. Pardon, ma’am; there are few females holding your rank and duty.”
[...]
She turned to him and laughed. It was attractive, confident — and hard. “Of course! I’m an inquisitor, commissar. That’s what I do.”
[...]
Gaunt stayed where he was and fixed his gaze on her. “I don’t like your tone, or your methods,” he growled. “If I continue not to like them, I can assure you the fact you are a woman won’t—”
[...]
Lilith didn’t answer. She rose, holding the pistol loose in her left hand. She circled Gaunt. He was unnerved by her masculine height and her unblinking stare.

[brittle coral]

I don't see much wrong with the passage. Gaunt's a bit sexist and intimidated by a woman with more power than he does.

[storm jungle]

Yeah sure

[final spruce]

I mean there is a way to do it, like how Cain is an horrible womanizer and objectise them but he objectises everybody and says himself that he is an asshole.

[storm jungle]

Its not as bad as this at least

Kallista nodded, running a hand through her auburn hair, her skin reddening even beneath her sunburn. Her green eyes sparkled with amused embarrassment, and Lemuel saw why so many desired her. She had a vulnerability that made men alternately want to protect or deflower her. Strangely, she seemed oblivious to this fact.

[final spruce]

Bruh

Nah Cain is fine on that subject

Which author is that ?

[storm jungle]

Graham McNeil

[final spruce]

What does he write ?

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Graham_McNeill

A lot

Mainly seems to be Marines

[shadow plover]

tbh his HH stuff is mostly fine

[final spruce]

:marines:

Shit wrong server

[storm jungle]

1 sec Zher i got you

[final spruce]

Lmao ty

[storm jungle]

Np

[final spruce]

:dilaragotmesticker:

[storm jungle]

[spice orchid]

Yes.

Bad writing is bad writing, even moreso when it's sexist.

[plush mason]

i mean most of them likely have never seen a women outside their mothers so 😛

[vast frigate]

honestl;y

idk why

kalista is a lovely name

[alpine ingot]

personally I think Sandy Mitchell does a decent job writing women

[vast frigate]

aye

[spice orchid]

this is such a disappointment
but also I would settle for the sisters of silence being given the superhuman/transhuman augment treatment

[alpine ingot]

wouldn't surprise me if they were augmented someway somehow.

I've personally viewed them as essentially female custodians for a while now since they are so closely connected to the custodes already, since whilst the 10,000 will protect the Emperor from physical threats, it is up to the sisters to protect him from the witch and demonic threats.

[plush sparrow]

@spice orchid well besides the problem also being that the process requires a gene only found in males, the Genesee from the emperor and primarchs who were all male.there used to be female space marine sets and figures a long time ago. But they weren't as popular as the male space marines so the whole concept was canned. But back then male MCs in shows, games and cartoons were highly valued more than female in society back then. Although the sister of battle are the closest thing to female space marines.

@spice orchid the other problem is also that warhammer 40k is set In a universe similar to the Victorian Gothic and heretical times of real life. So women in that universe may not be equal to men because of that when men and women were still unequal. And because the emperor is/was male so men are viewed as higher in the 40k universe.

[storm jungle]

The geneseed excuse is as shallow as a pond.

40k's lore is made on the basis that anything can be written in and changed at the whims of the writers, an example being of how massive the Primaris were as an upgrade to the Astartes yet it came from out of absolutely nowhere without 0 setups.

And Sororitas (another really overrated reasoning) are incredibly far from Marines in a lot of aspects, the only similar thing is them having power armor and bolters basically lol. It's not the same thing.

[storm jungle]

Also false.

Women in 40k especially the Imperium hold many positions of power.

From being Rogue Traders, Military leaders, Inquisitors, Government officers, Admirals, High Lords, Knight Pilots, Tech-Maguses, Titan Princeps, Religious Leaders, Commissars, Planetary Rulers, etc etc. There is absolutely no mention of men having higher positions of power in the general lore.

Its literally nothing but the management not wanting to change the status quo for the Marines being male which is mostly understandable considering Space Marines were made during an age when big men with guns shooting nasty aliens was the norm and the hobby wasn't exactly a place for girls and more just boys wanting to play with action figures.

There is no other excuse for it.

[spice orchid]

lmao are you serious right now

[shadow plover]

https://youtu.be/FNsKXidaQ3U

[plucky moth]

Yeah it was entirely a “line must go up” decision

Though nowadays I’m sure they’d sell

[storm jungle]

Yeee 100%

Its why stormcasts were made in general.

The more inclusive you make your hobby the more buyers you also get, that way everyone wins.

[spice orchid]

someone called stormcast bugfixed space Marines and i love that

[storm jungle]

I think that was me

[spice orchid]

that checks out

[plucky moth]

Wow that’s very sjw of you smh

[storm jungle]

e.g. a stormhost can be hundreds of thousands of soldiers, they're mixed gender, and not racially specific, they're made from adults not children, and they have sex drives.

Its a pretty good fix/balanced solution

[plucky moth]

GW realising there’s massive money in muscle mommies and big baras

[storm jungle]

Very based 😎

[barren tapir]

The fact that SM require a gene found only in males is wrong, in fact the first SM were made with genes both from big E and from Erda, a perpetual that was second only to big E in power and that was a woman

So, even lore is open to the fact that SM can be made from women

[storm jungle]

Yeah like it doesnt even matter

40k's lore is as editable as a 4chan article

[spice orchid]

It's also just really lazy

[storm jungle]

That too yeah

Marines are gonna (most likely) stay as guys since its too much of a big change to make.

Its about mini profits at the end of the day

[shadow plover]

Until Fabius makes some fem chaos marines

Because that I can see happening

[barren tapir]

I'm pretty sure that if it was based on genes then making women SM would be even easier, since you need to work with two X chromosomes, which can be similar, instead of X and Y, but here i'm just spittballing

Sooooo, when can we have an entire legion of women SM that will make a "mount ararat" for the sob?

[storm jungle]

Lmfao

blank dont go atheist again please

[barren tapir]

That is my secret (not so secret tbh), i am always atheist

[storm jungle]

I'd rather have some proper chicks in armor that isnt related to gross chaos mutations lol

[shadow plover]

For sure

But it has been hinted at already

I'm all for proper shemarines

[storm jungle]

the Gland-Hounds are more just muscular people that can punch marines to death

[shadow plover]

And it isn't chaos mutation per say, fabius just creates his own marines

[final spruce]

Everybody has a wallet

[shadow plover]

Yeah those are not proper marines, I think there's an end goal to start creating better marines all together for him

[storm jungle]

If you wanted to do female marines you'd have had to go with them being a thing when the Primaris were first revealed imo.

Now its just too late

[spice orchid]

would love if the sisters of silence were marine'd/custode'd up

[shadow plover]

I don't think it's ever too late but it would've been the perfect opportunity yeah

[final spruce]

It's never too late to retcon / adapt lore

GW has shown us that multiple times

[storm jungle]

Yeee true

might just be me being sad lmao

[plucky moth]

GW can totally sort it out if they really wanted to

it's just it's GW

[spice orchid]

big if

[storm jungle]

Yeah its more just the Boardmembers deciding on it

if they want something to happen; anything goes

otherwise basically anyone's wishes in the studio are null since their control is really over-reaching/far

[shadow plover]

I think it will happen in the next 5-7 years, been quite a bit demand for it for the past couple years and don't think these things happen that quickly

[final spruce]

We are talking about a company where amongst the 350 higher ups, only 8 are women

Among the worker its a bit better spread, being around 1/6 I believe, but the latter really shows that its still very patriarchal in essence

[smoky ferry]

I think if they did do female marines it might be a case of something like the gryknights or death watch, some kind of specialists limited due to pressure from the faith? Mighht be good for more faith vs guilliman and cawl conflict though

[final spruce]

It would work if not for the fact that only the Black Templars are Faith marines

[atomic pelican]

In America, one store manager is a woman according to my LGS manager

[final spruce]

Would not be surprised

Since the stats I saw were worldwide

[plush sparrow]

A broad mind lacks focus. And Im thinking everyone these days have their minds A little too broad. We should all just remember that the emperor is all that matters and be united in that fact. Let's all just enjoy the fictional universe that's been created for the enjoyment of all genders, ages and races. Praise the emperor.

[brittle coral]

Good message friend

[plucky moth]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

[supple plume]

More faith ... I think we all had enough of that 🤔

I have

Things need to go back to the age where emps was burning churches and other houses of religion

[brittle coral]

Idk, it was pretty clear to me that in the warhammer universe that atheism breeds chaos worship

[storm jungle]

It doesn't

[barren tapir]

This is such a bad take that looks erebus one looks good

[barren tapir]

In fact it is the inverse, being religious breed chaos worship, since it is easier to convert someone that already accept that some entities called gods exist

[brittle coral]

Really? Because the Horus Heresy happened with a bunch of religious freaks right?

[slow prawn]

That’s exactly it

[brittle coral]

No, most were atheists bound to the Imperial Truth

[slow prawn]

The Word Bearers went from worshiping the Emperor to worshiping Chaos

[brittle coral]

Only 1 legion worshiped the emperor as a God

[barren tapir]

Yep, you are correct

[slow prawn]

And that legion ended up introducing Chaos

[barren tapir]

Wrong, the word bearers already spread their religious crap

[brittle coral]

To a bunch of athiests

[barren tapir]

The imperial truth was already receding sadly

Only the high tier still followed it really

We even have some troopers on terra worshipping big E already

And the betrayal of horus is indeed the fault of religious people, which are the word bearers first and foremost

[brittle coral]

No the betrayal of Horus is the fault of Horus and getting mindfucked by chaos gods while he laid in a coma

[barren tapir]

Yes, and he went into a coma because some religious person, erebus, gave a knife to a guy which then stabbed horus

[slow prawn]

And then convinced the Sons of Horus to take him to a Chaos cult to heal him

[barren tapir]

That too

[brittle coral]

As a matter of fact actually

One of the only ways of harming a daemon during the Horus Heresy was through prayers to the Emperor

[barren tapir]

Nope

[brittle coral]

Yes

[barren tapir]

Symbolism was

And fire and blade weapons were more effective than bullets

As shown by ultramarines during their shadow campaign against word bearers

[slow prawn]

You’re both right

Fire and blade helped, but also praying to the Emperor

Keeler proves as much during the Siege

[barren tapir]

It was willpower, not really the prayer though

[storm jungle]

Blank

for fuck sakes

stop being an atheist

and let him speak

[barren tapir]

Hey, i'm not stopping them

[slow prawn]

She literally banishes a Great Unclean One by praying to the Emperor, and getting enough people to do it too

[brittle coral]

It was the prayer though. This is reflected in later lore with the living Saints having power over the daemons as well

[barren tapir]

Powerful psykers can harm demons too, and yet no one pray to them

[plucky moth]

well, emps is basically that, if we were to really dumb it down

[brittle coral]

The Emperor is no normal "powerful psyker" also not entirely true

Worlds have worshiped powerful psykers before during the DAoT

[storm jungle]

Lmao Kharne said, as he killed Celestine

[barren tapir]

Correct, it is not the act of pray, but the act of thinking it will work that make it so

[plucky moth]

I mean

that's what prayer essentially is, no?

[barren tapir]

No, prayer is to ask someone to intercede, but if you think hard enough that they will intercede you will create the effect even without the actual entity doing anything

It is you will becoming manifest, but cannot be a conscious one, otherwise you start to doubt, and then all fail... It is easier to believe in someone else that ourself

[brittle coral]

That just isn't true. Another good example of this is in The second Plague War book where a child is so faithful to the Emperor she literally invokes him and his power. That isn't just "her will" manifesting in the warp. Faith is pulling on something besides one's own willpower to manifest the powers that the sororitias or extremely faithful servants have

[storm jungle]

Faith is basically whatever the writers want it to be

its used as a deus ex machina and plot device in countless books

[spice orchid]

the warp works in mysterious ways

[storm jungle]

so does lazy writing

HEYOOO

https://tenor.com/view/high-five-apir-news-news-report-alright-gif-4874001

[spice orchid]

🥁

[storm jungle]

but jokes aside

in the end its basically just psychic powers

so no biggy

[spice orchid]

very anime

[proper helm]

Also the Emperor can just decide to make someone a demigod nowadays

[slow prawn]

Or revive them, as he did with Rowboat Gingerman

[storm jungle]

Yeah

[brittle coral]

Actually that's because he rolled a 6 on his Armor of Fate roll, clearly gahd

Came back up with d6 wounds

[plucky moth]

yeah in the end it's all space magic™️

[barren tapir]

Magic is heresy!
Incoherent black templars screaming

[crisp heath]

I mean, if the Chaos gods are "gods", couldn't the Emperor reach a level of godhood. even if he doesn't want to?

[plush mason]

isnt that more or less what happend?

[crisp heath]

i think so.

I mean, if i remember correctly, the emperor is able to hear people or talk with them over great distance

[plush mason]

given the way the warp works all you have to do is convince enough people you are a god to become one

[storm jungle]

the Emperor is becoming a god as per latest lore

[plush mason]

which is why the emperor's giant golden armor and golden glowing eyes did not help his "im not a god" shtick

[storm jungle]

its just not gonna happen anytime soon due to plot status quo

or until the next with Cadia-esque event which is probably reaaaally far off

[plush mason]

yeah it takes a lot of time and effort to become a god i guess lol

how long did it take the eldar to make slannesh?

[crisp heath]

I just hope GW does not make his "Godhood" to big of a deal when it happens.

[plush mason]

they likely will

[cerulean wagon]

his godhood has always been a big deal

[plush mason]

i mean even before he started becoming a god his very presence alone would banish most if not all the demons around him

[cerulean wagon]

the entirety of the SoB faith system, as well as the (possibly retconned) avatar of the emperor manifesting

[plush mason]

is that faith system as op as DOW made it feel?

[crisp heath]

i mean more of a edgy teen way. like: "I returned, am 10 times bigger now. btw i killed 2 chaos gods on the way here. ez"

Like

AoS

[plush mason]

yeah no they better not

[cerulean wagon]

you mean like how guilliman crossed the impossible to cross rift and killed an entire hive fleet to save baal, with the assistance from khorne demons, and then one of the SM had JOJO powers

[crisp heath]

yes

[plush mason]

.........

[crisp heath]

but 10 times more worse

[cerulean wagon]

thats all actual lore btw nameless

without any exageration

[plush mason]

i know but i really wish it wasnt

[cerulean wagon]

oh also

demons didn't invade catachan because it was too spooky

[plush mason]

lol

they took one look at it and said "yeah nah. we goin somewhere else"

[cerulean wagon]

which is

dumb

[crisp heath]

Catachan. Australia the planet

[cerulean wagon]

its orks don't go there because "thats too much of a fight"

[plush mason]

yup

[cerulean wagon]

catachan are for all intents and purposes ultramarine guardsmen

[plush mason]

yup

[crisp heath]

I heard a rumor that even Khorn is scared

xD

jk

unless....

😳

[plush mason]

its an entire regiment of Rambo clones so

[crisp heath]

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120105040_JungleFightersNEW_02.jpg

[plush mason]

right down to the no armor and sometimes no shirt and the red headband

[crisp heath]

[plush mason]

yeah like i said

rambo clones

[crisp heath]

i mean the paint job. that's official GW

[plush mason]

yeah its literally rambo from the original movie lol

so ofc they look like roided up Vietnam era GIs

[crisp heath]

But what i asked my self quite a lot. Is Necromunda (also the games) are canon?

[rose thorn]

Yeah the thing is the models aren’t even that bad, it’s just the paint job that makes it awful

[plush mason]

yes they are

[crisp heath]

Thanks! :3

[plush mason]

the necromunda tt is like the only version of the lore to talk about the non military side of 40k

[storm jungle]

The games are indeed canon.

Your hired gun is immune to Genestealers and rescues an infinite amount of them out of their prison pods in a daily basis.

Dont ask me how it works, it just does.

[plush mason]

?

[storm jungle]

You get sidejobs to rescue literal genestealers from the Cult on necromunda

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

you can do this an infinite amount of times fo XP lol

[plush mason]

i never did that

[storm jungle]

Its great because the moment you open the pod, genestealer just stares at you

then instantly digs down and disappears

every time

[crisp heath]

oof

Wait a fucking sec. is that a Squat mini?! The hell?

[plush mason]

no barring hired gun the tt and underhive wars are canon 😛

[plush mason]

yes there is a squat in necromunda tt

iirc he is the last of his kind

[crisp heath]

it seems there are only two. so i think you are right

isn't that the same Squat from the Hammer and Bolter episode?

[plush mason]

he is one of the hired guns. suped up hero unites you can add to your gang as mercs

[crisp heath]

I think it is. Is this how they get rid of shit if GW don't like it anymore in the lore? Put it in funny robo mans museum?

[plush mason]

yup lol

[rose thorn]

Bless necromunda it is god tier for kitbashed and the works

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

I’ve talk to Trazyn a few times and he says that a few things have just appeared in his museum. I believe he was just pulling my leg but who knows

[brittle coral]

Several million years of having a museum I feel like it's possible

[astral isle]

he is obsessively thorough with his museum though

[plush mason]

Trazyn is just the embodiment of the british museum

[astral isle]

he probably stole the british museum, building included

[plush mason]

poetic and fitting

[brittle nebula]

I’ll ask that the next time I see him

[pulsar mason]

god I hate these models. Catachan are so lame, it bums me out that we lost the elysian drop troops but they kept this shit.

granted they're basically cooler tempestus but still

[crisp heath]

What kind of music do people in the Imperium listen to? What kind of music does exsist?

[spice orchid]

considering the countless millions of worlds and cultures that comprise the imperium

any kind of music imaginable

as well as any not currently conceived of

[crisp heath]

Hmm, interesting.

[crisp heath]

I agree with you

[brittle coral]

Catachan are cool although their models do definitely need an update. I do agree with you on Elysians though

[chrome dragon]

I literally know what you mean i visited the National Museum of Scotland and its basically Trazyn’s second collection

They looted stuff i didnt know existed

[alpine ingot]

"You can't steal from the dead, that's called archeology." ~ Trazyn, debating with Orakin in Infinite and the Divine.

[ashen lake]

i haven't played too far into it... do you have the option of just not doing missions for the genestealer cults?

i do plan on playing it thoroughly at some point and all... one thing that bothered me is they don't have the crazy wild life native to necromunda. like there's all sorts of hive fauna that would make good enemies/hazards to add some variety

[storm jungle]

Yeah you do have a choice to not do it

Its really just:

Random ass mission objective

The faction you do it for never does anything or appears

its just "This faction has given you this mission"

so its more like a wink wink, you get it? You know who that faction is in-universe right?"

[ashen lake]

in some of the gameplay footage i've seen you have NPC friendlies... is that just in story missions then?

[storm jungle]

Yeah specific missions

and its REALLY brief

otherwise you largely and entirely solo

[ashen lake]

oh.. that's kind of lame. would have been cool if you take a mission for the eschers you get to have a couple tag along (sometimes)

[storm jungle]

Yeaaah

if you wanna see what I mean just go watch some gameplay

i guess the game was too janky to really implement anything like that in

all you get is your doggo which you can summon for him to kill stuff before he teleports away

[ashen lake]

maybe they'll do like in deathwing in and "enhance" it up to a finished product

[storm jungle]

We can but only hope

[storm jungle]

🙏

[alpine ingot]

Tactical Bork Missile also works

[rose thorn]

what style of faction do you think is missing from 40k? Like cyberpunk, scavenged together , crap like that

I feel like a more corporation stylized faction would be great, like a super militarized company

even though it wouldnt really work in 40k

maybe better space pirates

[astral isle]

something like horatio from endless space 2

turn the universe into a eugenics experiment

[rose thorn]

Yeah totally, but i feel like horatio is so unique its hard to mimic

[astral isle]

true

[rose thorn]

most endless space factions are far too unique

[astral isle]

you either take all of horatio or none of horatio

[rose thorn]

of coruse the united empire and like, sophons are easy to mimic

with out making ir obvious

id love something like Comstar

[astral isle]

ooooh

[rose thorn]

i mean for empire and sophons you can mimic and be unique

[astral isle]

they have the monopoly on some sort of really important service like the spacing guild from dune

[rose thorn]

yeah, i love the idea of a private military, but companies arent really expored in 40k

[astral isle]

the best we have are rogue traders

[rose thorn]

yeah exactly

and necromunda

like there is alot of lore about ocmpanies, like how religions like the 4 armed empire sponsor companies

[astral isle]

maybe some sort of really powerful pmc that hires itself out to the other factions

[rose thorn]

and that there is alot of unique ways to make food, from protein recycling or grox farm. but nothng about who does that

[astral isle]

they don't really care what the others are doing, they're just here for the money

[rose thorn]

exactly

[astral isle]

but they're too powerful to be just wiped out as heretics by the imperium

[rose thorn]

its not morally black or white or gray, its for the money

drukhari are alot like that,

you can have mercenaries in your drukhari army

but isnt exactly the same

[astral isle]

that way it forces other factions to kinda be cooperative

cool dynamic that doesn't seem to exist yet

[rose thorn]

i mean the tau kinda, they have other races but only 3 are on tabelt op

[astral isle]

actually thats just the mechanicus

they're given freedom and not wiped out because of how valuable they are to the imperium

[rose thorn]

yeah mechanicus, they are the best rep for the corporate world in 40k we have

Myabe something liek the new conglomerate from planet side, they are a rebel army that is sponsored and armed by weapon corporations to take contracts and crap

[astral isle]

we need some sort of way to keep the imperium from killing them

maybe there's just a lot of them?

[rose thorn]

The thing is, they are already similar to the genestealer cults

as they cannonically sometimes do taht

[astral isle]

i feel like the imperium wouldn't take too kindly to people splitting off and potentially working for the enemy

thats true

maybe they're just really sneaky about it

[rose thorn]

Im a chaos player so this is obviously hypocritical, but i feel like the religious undertone and hive mind kinda kills the genestealers for me

I adore the scrapped together repurposed aesthetic. And the corporate army aesthetic.

thats why i will always adore the original artstyle of planetside, especially with as mentioned New conglomerate which is a combination of m y favorite aesthetic

[astral isle]

i like scrappunk

which is why i like the orks

among other things

biopunk is cool too but i feel like wh40k doesn't actually have a lot of that

[rose thorn]

Yeah I can respect orks, i thought I would like them but their battle style in lore and out of lore isn’t really for me

[astral isle]

i mean the tyranids are technically that but they feel too uniform

[rose thorn]

True, best we have is chaos mutations, tryanids, and sometimes mechanicus

[astral isle]

dark eldar?

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah there’s and entire 3rd of dark eldar all about that

[astral isle]

for some reasons the dark eldar always completely slip my mind

they're just the most forgettable faction for me

i have no idea why

[rose thorn]

I wanna really like dark eldar, I really like The Haemonculi in general

But something about them just kinda kills it for me, I don’t know what

Besides being OP on table top. Which I never enjoy in anything

[rose thorn]

I always forget about necrons tbh

[astral isle]

i like necrons

very existential

a very nice parallel to the mechanicus

[brittle nebula]

Are you talking shit about me mortals?

[astral isle]

don't worry about it

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah necrons are cool, always amazing

I’d love a faction like Hyperion or something to represent the corporate side of 40K. It is completely cannon that some companies outsource work to minor xeno species or even rarely major ones

[brittle nebula]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=tz71Fd4Y9m8&feature=share

When you wake up a necron dynasty world by accident

[rose thorn]

Hell gray knights negotiate and do trades with Tryzan the infinite, they capture demons and let tryzan put it in his collection to make sure it never escapes

[astral isle]

i remember reading how the grey knights have a couple tesseract labyrinths that they got from trading with the necrons back when they were on friendlier terms

[brittle nebula]

That is true he showed me a daemon lord he got from them a few centuries ago. I believe he still has it somewhere

[rose thorn]

Better yet, why is there such a low representation of mercenaries and corporations in 40K?

[brittle nebula]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=h9M_Ang7NI8&feature=share

[rose thorn]

Hell necromunda barely represents it

[brittle nebula]

The last one got me I didn’t know he needed a walking stick once

[astral isle]

he captures astartes and inquistors like pokemon

trazyn has at least one custodes in his collection

[brittle nebula]

He is always expanding his pokydeck

[rose thorn]

I’m tempted to make a custom gene-stealer cult that’s just a rampant terrorist organization that gets corporate sponsors

And take contracts to cause terrorism for companies competitors

[astral isle]

he wrote a letter to an inquisitor basically saying "thanks bro for sending these guardsman legions, they were missing from my collection, here's a tesseract labyrinth, have fun escaping it"

[rose thorn]

But the problem with that is, why would a cult do that’? Why doesn’t the genestealer cult just huddle in the ground and do religious shit like they always do

[astral isle]

maybe they formed on a very captialism centered world

[rose thorn]

Like 90% of hive worlds

But that would be a good way to make custom characters that actually matter

[brittle nebula]

I’ve seen that custodies he’s siting in the middle of the museum. Never seen a speck of dust on him

[rose thorn]

An over all agreed problem with genestealer cults is you can’t make your own named characters

As they are gonna die no matter what

But a traveling genestealer militarized terrorist organization will open this book greatly

Maybe they are mainly doing thsi for the contracts, while the terrorism is opening weak links for the tryanids them selves and their cultish influence

But that would be so fucking hard to represent on tabletop

Because genestealercults are always mining equipment, even on a medicine development space station, mining equipment

Yeah mechancius is basically most companies, where most things are made and sold

But there are a few independent manufacturers

Mainly for civilian weapons like stubbers

[brittle nebula]

The Mechanicus is old it’ll die in the next few centuries or they’ll just tear themselves apart

[rose thorn]

Not if their model sale figures stay up

[brittle nebula]

I’m not talking about the models. I am talking about there faction itself

[astral isle]

i want to get admech figures

but i feel like there isn't much creativity to be had with the painting

[rose thorn]

Their models are amazing

[rose thorn]

Yeah I know I mean GW is gonna do anything in their power lore wise for them to exist. Even if logically it would collapse on it self.

[astral isle]

i'd like to see the admech star splintering and get new age tech priests who want to push for more innovation and the old guard who want to keep things the way they are

[rose thorn]

New tech is a crime in the imperium

Which I use to like but now I absolutely despise, it’s kinda dumb. When ever they wanna ad anything new for the imperium, it’s like

‘Yeah we found this SCD with tech that is completely different and alot better then the tech we have. We have hover vehicles now even though the other shit we use was considered standard tech.’

‘And this tech with extremely different art style was the real stuff.’

So when you try to introduce new technology in like a custom regiment, you always have to have that grain of salt about ‘yeah no they didn’t make this, they just happens to find an scd with this and they are the only ones using it.’

[vapid tiger]

I mean not necessarily

[rose thorn]

How so,

[vapid tiger]

It depends on the type of tech

So the vitrian dragoons in the gaunt's ghosts novels for example wear this mirror plated armor that provides extra protection against lasguns

But that's pretty mundane tech

So no techpriest gets in a fuss about it

And the other thing is that it's not just that major tech innovation is a crime

It's that they don't have the basis to actually innovate that much

Because most people don't know how tech works and the techpriests only just barely do

Like there's a description from rick priestley of a guy painting light bulbs with fluorescent paint because his ancestors forgot how to change light bulbs so the tradition became to simply paint over them and use torches instead in this particular place

Because 40k is whacky

[astral isle]

once you stop understanding the tech and only know how to maintain them, soon it becomes ritual, and ritual becomes faith

most of their blessings and such are just overcomplicated maintenance

[brittle coral]

which is complicated by the fact that machine spirits do exist and do have temperaments, so the rituals do seem to do something more then just maintain the machine, but also placate the spirit within

[storm jungle]

Nah

Machine spirits are basically AI but its left intentionally open for story purposes.

So in the end it doesn't really matter which is which.

[vapid tiger]

machine spirits aren't real and at best some tech has ai/autonomous functions that the imperium deems machine spirits because confirmation bias

like gw writers have stated multiple times that the adeptus mechanicus is meant to be superstitious

[brittle coral]

Superstitious doesn't mean incorrect, especially in a world where faith can shape gods instead of the otherway around.

Also, uh, orks prove that point perfectly, even if the method by which they "believe" is different them humanity

[rose thorn]

I like the idea that machine spirits exist if you believe it does

[astral isle]

kinda like mini chaos gods

[storm jungle]

Superstitious means incorrect

its why the lore makes a point of showing the long needless veneration of most machine related stuff is unnecessary and makes active jokes about it

like how a techpriest actually says a 2 minute prayer just to fire the barrel of a leman russ

its meant to be parody lol

[brittle coral]

yes, some of it is parody, but the idea that the mechanicus are somehow innately wrong because they are superstitious is just downright silly, especially since once again, the warp exists, and the warp has a funny thing of making your superstitions become true

[storm jungle]

Faith has a difference between actual projections and making machines work.

Its both true and untrue so theres really no difference like i said earlier.

[final spruce]

Plus Doppel , its not like the Imperium is aware that Faith actually creates miracle or influence the material realm

So that argument is moot

[barren tapir]

And all this even without me being part of this...

[storm jungle]

r/atheism moment 🙏

[rose thorn]

Yeah, similar to how orks do it. If you believe it exists then your ritualistic methods would most likely work. If you don’t believe it then traditional methods would also work.

Idk that’s how I see it

[barren tapir]

Jeez Dilara, stop being atheist 🤣

[astral isle]

i like the stories in which a tech priest gets a mental breakdown after getting ork tek and realizing that the trigger is a solid piece of metal, the magazine is empty, the gun itself is filled with nails, and the barrel doesn't even have a hole in it

[rose thorn]

Lmao, yeah. Their theory is that ork tech has a corrupt or orkish machine spirit,

[vast frigate]

https://giphy.com/gifs/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-episode-11-xUPJPoVgb5gpNsbM76

[storm jungle]

[barren tapir]

I just arrived too

But i was pleased by what little i saw

[rose thorn]

You can see that bigger orks tech actually looks functional, so it could literally be that the bigger and older an ork gets the better he understands weapons.

[storm jungle]

Kinda

Orks got a genetic template

so it depends

[astral isle]

orks basically grow and age by being exposed to war and conflict right?

[storm jungle]

Yep

[barren tapir]

Orks instinctively understand tech, but such knowledge is gated behind the power of waaagh

[storm jungle]

And yeah that

Orks are literally playing total war

[barren tapir]

The bigger the waaagh the more techy they become

[storm jungle]

their tech tree slowly unlocks through that

yeee

[barren tapir]

Also they are adaptable, so they adapt to the enemy, the enemy use guns? They develop theirs too, the enemy use lances and stones? The orks devolve into tribal societies

[astral isle]

the oddboyz are just born with certain knowledge for their job

[rose thorn]

In a 40K total war game what the fuck would an eldar tech tree look like.

And how would it work.

[barren tapir]

Something that looks good, but then turn out it is detrimental to them... Kinda like the prophecies that eldar like to follow... Although that is more lazy and bad writing

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[storm jungle]

Every auto-battles ends in loses

because the psychic race thats been trained since its adolescence to see the future sucks at it

[barren tapir]

But lets be honest, every one that tried to foresee the future and follow some weird prophecy ended up being fucked by such stuff, big E, eldar, thousand sons etc etc

[rose thorn]

I just imagine that most of the tech tree is just stupid progression like, jump from tier 1 to 3 to 5 to 2

Even though in reality it’s a simple line

[astral isle]

don't forget the alpha legion

probably

most likely

maybe

[rose thorn]

What are some interesting harlequin masks?

[astral isle]

funny clown elves

[rose thorn]

Masques or how ever the fuck it’s spelt

I mean the warband a them selves? I only know like 3 tbh

[storm jungle]

Masques

and honestly all of them are interesting

they do a lot of funny stuff

The Last Laugh (215.M41) - The Veiled Path make a surprising offer of aid to defend the Imperial naval base at Roth against pirates. However, as battle is joined, they turn upon their erstwhile human allies, ending this seemingly unprovoked attack by venting the surviving defenders into space.

[rose thorn]

hahwhwhhwahahahHaha

I love that

I know one of them basically pull what they think are pranks on humans , aka overheating a hive world’s plasma reactor killing everyone.

[astral isle]

a small amount of trolling

[rose thorn]

And they have a superiority complex over humans

Like all eldar

[storm jungle]

Yeah they do the shit they do because their lore excuse is "The Laughing God demands it."

[storm jungle]

Everyone has a superiority complex in 40k

[rose thorn]

Which is the best excuse posisble

[storm jungle]

Orks against Orks

Humans against humans

etc

💀

[rose thorn]

Fair lmao

[storm jungle]

Just like real life

no wait

[astral isle]

canonically lol so random murder hobos

[final spruce]

Tbh eldars have more sympathy for humans than humans do amongst their kin

[vast frigate]

Calling someone a fucking monkey doesnt mean you dont care for them

[storm jungle]

I do this to my brothers a lot so i can confirm

[vast frigate]

even... if your hold trait is calling everyone of that species a monkey... in your dialect so it doesnt immediately register...

[rose thorn]

No sometime they go and save some random ass backwater planet for no apparent reason. Or go and give children flowers and shit. The laughing god’s will is li the literally almost completely random to the humans mind.

[vast frigate]

and Eldar are, in the end, wanting to see a good future for sentience

[astral isle]

exactly

[rose thorn]

Even though in the laughing god’s mind is it a super deep and near millions step plan to save the eldar race. Or maybe he’s just insane and it literally so random.

[vast frigate]

the laughing god, outsmarting tzeentch by giving a child flowers via an eldar so it always has that spark in the back of its mind, knowing that this one spark COULD make it so that the tzeentchian plot breaks because that one guardsman doesnt bayonet the banshee, who then in return doesnt scream the dudes head off, allowing the planet to have an alliance-

fucking warhammer plots

[rose thorn]

Exactly

[astral isle]

i like guardsmen

[vast frigate]

also im pretty sure cheogorag is crazy

but hes a good variant of crazy

[astral isle]

i think everyone likes them

[rose thorn]

Sometimes even the harlequins will be told to go blow up a craft world.

Oh yeah totally

[vast frigate]

he utilizes his bonkers mind to make sure that everything goes to ''plan''

and then calls tzeentch a nerd during the DND night

[astral isle]

honk honk

[rose thorn]

I love the Jopall Indentured squads, the tahlian raiders, and the indigan praefects

And the sewer rats

My top favorite regiments

[astral isle]

i like the dragoons a lot

their armor is cool

their strategies are cool

they have an art of war

[rose thorn]

Which one?

There’s 2 dragoons

[astral isle]

vitrian dragoons i think

[rose thorn]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/c/c7/VitrianDragoon.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20201007201121

These ones?

[astral isle]

ye

those guys

[rose thorn]

Their armor fucking bangs

[astral isle]

they also have this medieval code of honor thing going on

[rose thorn]

Ooo like knights?

[astral isle]

also "thou shalt always turn your lasgun to max power"

• the vitrian art of war

[rose thorn]

Also I love the Chen dogs

Chem dogs

They are a bunch of prisoners who are allowed to keep what they find on the battle field when they go back prison

[astral isle]

neat

[rose thorn]

And they also use a metric shit load of drugs and fight demons

[astral isle]

hence the name

huh

i looked them up

they look like they came straight out of mad max

very cool

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah definitely

The jannassaries fucking bang

Janassaries

I can’t spell

[astral isle]

they look like less bulky space marines

cool death masks

[vapid tiger]

People taking 40k lore and the pov of 40k characters at face value?

In a 40k lore channel??

Sounds like a Tuesday

(Also like a call for blank)

[plucky moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fGKrYq8_dk

[astral isle]

me like max0r

not recommended for anyone with epilepsy

[timid solstice]

Question: is there any schematics for lasguns? I'm VERY much under informed on a lot of lore save for the memes and some surface lore.

[cerulean wagon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/a/ad/Lasrifle.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130302000059

[final spruce]

From one skeleton to another

[cerulean wagon]

most of the memes are wrong as a heads up going into lasguns

its an interesting piece of kit with some neat stuff going on

[spice orchid]

lasguns in dark heresy rock

[timid solstice]

Ah, I see they use the French selector. Very brave.

[cerulean wagon]

ye cause its based off the old british/french selectors

back when we used the same markings

[vapid tiger]

Lasgun more like

LasDUMB

HA

GOTTEM

[plucky moth]

lasguns are based

[timid solstice]

The only thing that I'm concerned is the screw on barrel. This might just because it's a simplified drawing but it doesn't have the usual index to make sure the barrels in the right orientation. Then again, the sights are on the receiver so that might not mean much.

[vapid tiger]

Yes

I like how punchy they look in darktide gameplay

[cerulean wagon]

feel free to ask questions bones, but also know that the internal workings are left open to interpretations to stop it getting bogged down in science, and to allow variants to have their own versions

[timid solstice]

Are the pack rechargeable or would you just drop them? It like old magazines from WW1, if you loose one your commander is going to chew you out for it.

[cerulean wagon]

rechargable from pretty much any power outlet

[final spruce]

and heat

[cerulean wagon]

or, in desperate circumstances, heat also works

so they charge passivley over time when in contact with body heat, or can be sped up by dropping them into a fire

this can damage them

[timid solstice]

... so a campfire, cooking pack with da boys?

[cerulean wagon]

yup, just be careful

and hope the tech priest doesn't notice

(he most likely won't unless your near the motorpool)

[spice orchid]

i hope darktide will let me dual wield laspistols

[timid solstice]

Speaking of the tech priests, are they all from Mars or are some from other planets?

[final spruce]

There are a lot of planets

[cerulean wagon]

lots of different planets

[spice orchid]

they're all from various forge worlds

[brittle nebula]

All over the imperium I believe

[final spruce]

Mainly aforementioned forgeworlds

[cerulean wagon]

a tech priest can be form any planet at all, forge worlds are the most heavily under the mechanicus influence however

[timid solstice]

Ok, it just that Mars is especially important to them because of the Dragon.

[cerulean wagon]

and because its the home world of their religion

[spice orchid]

it's also their capital/first world

[final spruce]

Well they don't really know about the Dragon

[spice orchid]

independent of the this alleged dragon

[brittle nebula]

And it’s Mars. Named after the god of war great name for a war manufacturer

[cerulean wagon]

the admech are a seperate entity to the imperium, so mars is their home world instead of terra

[timid solstice]

Ah, gotcha. As a pleb looking to get into 40K stuff, is the Gaunt's Ghost a good series to start off on or are their other recomendations?

[vast frigate]

dont forget Lase Gun guys

[cerulean wagon]

gaunts are great, eisenhorn (starting from xenos which is the first book iirc?) and i always recommend ciaphas cain

the last one is my recommendation for starting

[spice orchid]

the first few ragnar books are a good intro too

[final spruce]

Yeah Ciaphas Cain is more light-hearted

[vapid tiger]

Ciaphas Cain is p good

[timid solstice]

I feel my wallet is going to be suffering for this

[cerulean wagon]

haha

[brittle nebula]

It will

[cerulean wagon]

its a big setting, take it slow

[brittle nebula]

Trust me

[cerulean wagon]

its not going anywhere

[final spruce]

Or don't by using pdfs

[plucky moth]

this is true in more ways than one

[final spruce]

Be a cheapskate like me

[vapid tiger]

until I kill it

i will kill it.

i will kill the warhammer 40,000.

and take its place.

[spice orchid]

i stopped paying attention to 40k for a few years, came back to it and was shocked there was actual plot development

[vast frigate]

i already ate it, i ate 40k

[timid solstice]

The specific Warhammer 40,000

[vast frigate]

now i have stomach cramp

[spice orchid]

the whole great rift and everything else

[vapid tiger]

Well don't expect anymore for another 30 years

[vast frigate]

yeah it shocked a lot of people

[cerulean wagon]

my recommendation is find a faction you like, read some stuff on them and use them as a window into the setting

[vast frigate]

especially gw

[vapid tiger]

Since the setting is still mostly the same post rift

[cerulean wagon]

then expand out with dabbling elsewhere

[brittle nebula]

Don’t overwhelm the guy your all talking at once

[cerulean wagon]

I am excessively bias and think humans/Imperial guard are the most interesting viewpoint, Space marines have the most books to work with though so can be a good entry

other factions are also finally getting their own books as of newer editions

[timid solstice]

I'll admit this... I like the orks a lot. The insanity and chaos is fantastic

[plucky moth]

Orks are great

[brittle nebula]

Waaaaaagh is fun

[plucky moth]

total meme faction but still fun

[cerulean wagon]

orks got their own book recently. I'm not personally a fan but thats cause its all memes all the time

if thats ur speed tho go for it

[brittle nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/waaagh-warhammer40k-orks-charge-gif-14893692

[vapid tiger]

here's my advice

do not buy loyalist space marines

[brittle nebula]

Good advice

[plucky moth]

I'm pretty keen on IG, Orks and GSC so far

also some CSM are pretty neato

like corsairs

[brittle nebula]

Unless their custodies that’s a different subject

[vapid tiger]

Nope those too they're just big space marines

[plucky moth]

Mining charges>Custodes

[brittle nebula]

They’re blood golden custodies

What’s wrong with that

[timid solstice]

While the Space Marines are cool and all, I feel like they got the most plot armour. I love the human struggles of the Imperial Guard because it's so human that it hurts.

[plucky moth]

yee

IG are more down to earth, well, down to earth by 40k standards

and you got a lot of options to choose from regarding regiments

[vapid tiger]

Yeah but like

Okay tbf I like the custodes more than astartes

u right

[cerulean wagon]

IG are my fav for that reason

its grounded and they are just people

[plucky moth]

so while there are total meme regiments like Catachan or Krieg you can just ignore them if that's not your thing

[cerulean wagon]

gonna lose a few, but they are gonna give the best fight they can

[vapid tiger]

weirdly the custodes feel more like sadaukar than the marines, who are literally 40k sadaukar

[timid solstice]

Oh yeah, the regiments are awsome in their designs. From futuristic to colonial red coats with Henry-Martini rifles. You can pick a regiment and go 'tally-ho' on some heretics

[cerulean wagon]

I should mention the guard in Darktide aren't of any regiment we have information of at the moment

[brittle nebula]

Except they don’t leave throne room

[final spruce]

They do though

[timid solstice]

Prisoners from what I seen in the Writer video

[final spruce]

Ever since Gulliman kicked their butt into action

[vapid tiger]

You can also technically pick a regiment, chaosify it and go tally-ho on some imperials

[plucky moth]

yea all the characters are convicts but their originating regiment is something we don't really know about

[final spruce]

Indeed

[cerulean wagon]

We are prisoners under an inquisitor yes, but some of our boys might be Ex-Guard

Also the enemies are a traitor guard regiment

[final spruce]

Damn Bones is a 40k newbie and he already knows more than 85% of people here

[cerulean wagon]

the hive world and regiment names however have been new to the setting, created by FS for Darktide

[timid solstice]

Oh lovely... I will avoid Slaanesh though. That guy just gives me the creeps

[brittle nebula]

Good idea

[plucky moth]

tzeentch gang

[cerulean wagon]

truely strange times

[final spruce]

I guess its in his bones

[cerulean wagon]

[timid solstice]

Not going to lie, I spent hours on the wiki. I've been writing in my spare time and like surfing other worlds and stories.

[cerulean wagon]

na thats fair

[final spruce]

Very fair

[cerulean wagon]

you still know more than the "lore masters" we have join here

[final spruce]

40k is not the worst world to take inspiration from

[cerulean wagon]

prepare to see some strange arguments in the comming days

[real stone]

COMMING

Brother

[final spruce]

Yeah , also sorry because I WILL troll about the loresters

So you might get some misinformation

Sorry in advance

[plucky moth]

KRIEG MEDALS

[final spruce]

[timid solstice]

Oh that's fair as well, I mean, you can get enough orks to chant 'Imma tank' and suddenly you have a tank.

[final spruce]

Guys i'm creating an edit war I'm so right

[real stone]

False

[timid solstice]

I think 40k is just so large that it's almost impossible to get something wrong. Like they're fundamental core lore things but when it comes to stuff like 'you can fingergun an Ork to death' no one is really going to challenge that.

[brittle nebula]

Definitely not

[cerulean wagon]

you'd be surprised

many a time have i had people tell me guard can't use certain weapons

despite models or things having that happen

[brittle nebula]

They what? That’s strange

[final spruce]

But Skelly, Guards can't use plasmaaaaaaaa

[barren tapir]

Damn, you beat me to write that

[timid solstice]

I assume anyone can use almost anything. The onyl real restriction is cross-racial weapons. Like only orks can use shootas with them blowing up.

I bet there's one weirdo guardsman that has a collection of xeno guns that he messes around with... I would

[brittle nebula]

Some won’t even fire they are sometimes a block of wood or something with a barrel

[barren tapir]

Well, for humans and humans weapons it is mostly true, with some exception, the problem arise when talking if you have easily access to it

[timid solstice]

i think there was a story about a captured ork being given a bunch of weapons but they used a scrap of wood instead and killed a bunch of people. Like, perfectly fine guns but no, wood.

[brittle nebula]

Ork logic to the max

[astral isle]

bangbang bang you are dead

i like orks

[timid solstice]

I still think my favourite ork video is the one where they started writing in red so they learn fasta and they stopped fighting to think about life. Then Barbog got all depressed and krumped hisself and now we can't read no more

[timid solstice]

I got the video here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK2UB_metFU

[neat fiber]

Welp Silent Hunters and the Carcharodons are certainly interesting

[plush mason]

the carcharodons are the result of someone at GW saying "sharks are cool lets make them into space marines" lol

[storm jungle]

Highlight from today's Hammer & Bolter episode

[coral gazelle]

what a little cutie

[storm jungle]

The fact that he abandons him for the sorceror is hilarious

[eternal ledge]

Salacious Crumb vibes

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/laughter-hysterical-creepy-salacious-crumb-gif-15397779

[dim totem]

is it supposed to be comedy?

[storm jungle]

I mean Nurglings

they are comedic as it is lol

[grand minnow]

good boi

[cerulean wagon]

its not supposed to be comedy buy its chaos so

[crisp heath]

Nurglings are pure comedy

https://i.postimg.cc/nhwXSRXG/high-five.gif

[heavy pine]

that funny how they just give high five

[coral gazelle]

they should kiss too that would be awesome

[crisp heath]

😳

[heavy pine]

this would be more slaanesh stuff

[serene thorn]

It's spring now. Where game?

[storm jungle]

Later

shoo

[marsh grail]

https://tenor.com/view/toy-story-woody-taking-chance-8ball-billiard-gif-9807107

[alpine ingot]

for every time someone ask when the game comes out, another named Ultramarine is created. I hope you are happy people.

[proper helm]

They're back to legion strength then

[inland snow]

Another blueberry to add to the collection

[rose thorn]

Are there any notable and interesting chaos knight houses?

I really wanna find a chaos knight house I like

[brittle nebula]

I don’t know of any

[rose thorn]

But they seem to lack, personality

Even house deavine who follow Slaanesh don’t have much personality

Devine*

[brittle nebula]

Hmm… when I saw that I was like chaos knight tentacle hentai… my brain (wtf why did you think of that) I want to shoot myself now

https://tenor.com/view/gun-shoot-me-gif-14188290

[rose thorn]

Lmao, no the guy who owned the house had a coup and was betrayed by his wife and second son who was swayed by Slaanesh

And the entire house is super envious and piss babies that they don’t get the best treatment

So they were the first house to betray humanity

[brittle nebula]

Hmm… to the youngest chaos god. How interesting that’s kind of funny I would think khorne would have had that seat

[rose thorn]

To be honest knights are perfect pickings for Slaanesh

There are 2 type of people most likely to fall to Slaanesh

The ones who act on pure instinct and obsession, like white scars who obsess over speed and crap. And ones who are extremely obsessed with honor and perfecting an art. Like ultra marines and their need for honor.

and both of these examples are pretty common to join Slaanesh.

It’s believed that Doom Rider (a chaos daemon prince who rides around on a daemon engine motorcycle and decapitate people going max speed) was a white scar.

[brittle nebula]

Hmm… how interesting I’ll record this information in my library

[rose thorn]

Knights would be perfect, the ego and pride of riding in a giant fucking mech they spent their entire life working towards would love the idea of ‘hey why don’t you become, the best knight’ or ‘what if you could drive this thing? Forever’ and shit like that

[brittle nebula]

That’s a good point

[young valve]

slaanesh is more about excess though, having pride in your work or job isn't gonna fuck you up and turn you into a octopuses playtoy.

[obsidian wing]

its the pursuit of perfection, being hedonistic and obssessed that will make you susceptible to the temptation/blessing of slaanesh

[alpine ingot]

the member of house Devine that fell to chaos was the crippled older brother of Raven Devine and his sister-wife Lex, yes he did in fact married his actual sister. did I forget to mention she was technically married to the older brother first before he was horribly crippled? Anyways after the brother murdered his bitch of a step mother and stole her exo-suit he gathered the house guard and lead a coup against his brother and executed both of them. His fall to Slaanesh was sealed when Fulgrim reshaped his body into a perfect healed form.

[vapid tiger]

gigabased

4chan bad but this is genuinely cool

[crisp heath]

4chan i just a compliation of the Pure Cringe

[vapid tiger]

Squat loyalist marines

Replace with

Wait for it

squats

[crisp heath]

Squat will be in Imperial Guard.

[shadow plover]

I can't see this text through my cool Space Marine Goggles™️ 😎

Every guard player should go and play bolt action though

[storm jungle]

Eliminate all marines.

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-manhattan-disintegrated-rorschach-watchman-gif-18353996

[shadow plover]

they'll do it themselves before you can

[storm jungle]

nooo

[vapid tiger]

Preparing to destroy all marine molds gw has and delete all the cad files they have for them