40k-lore-chat

[atomic pelican]

my eternal spirit

bound to my phylactery

(I will arise as a lich)

[errant mauve]

I am actually an immortal, elemental, fundamental, and axiomatic aspect of the very fabric of the universe

[peak hamlet]

Me, i would

[errant mauve]

So no successor will be needed.

[atomic pelican]

mayo is infact a chaos god

[errant mauve]

Chaos god of being Based

[cunning wigeon]

Chaos god of based

[atomic pelican]

baosd god

[barren tapir]

So a full union of germany and france... NGL, the concept is definitely intriguing

[cunning wigeon]

Isn't that the uhhh malice?

[peak hamlet]

I will ban mett tho

[cunning wigeon]

He seems based

[errant mauve]

Malice is the Incel of the Chaos god

[final spruce]

I see y'all looking at the bountiful lands that is France, this ain't WW2 y'all

[cunning wigeon]

"I am chaos but fuck chaos"

[atomic pelican]

bobo wants to invade again

[peak hamlet]

Like just having a big ass country in europe

[atomic pelican]

you'll have to become a partisan zherlum

[cunning wigeon]

Called the holy Roman empire

[final spruce]

I mean this time our generals aren't sympathisers so this should be good

[cunning wigeon]

Better yet

[final spruce]

(I do not like Vichy and his goons)

[cunning wigeon]

Why don't we just let the Great British empire take both of them

[peak hamlet]

Ok so how many countries did germany invade after ww2 and how many did murica invade? 🤨

[final spruce]

Lmao

[barren tapir]

No one liked them

[errant mauve]

Never goes outside into the immaterium
Spends all day inside his little hole complaining about how every god gets more followers than him
Wants to kill his compatriots over perceived slights
Does not actually try to get followers or be productive
looks like a sack of potatoes

[peak hamlet]

(Shh dont tell em, its my secret goal)

[atomic pelican]

those were 'liberations' I'll have u kno

[final spruce]

They clearly need it to trade

[barren tapir]

WWOOOOOOOOO

[errant mauve]

Malice is an Incel

[atomic pelican]

this doesnt work on me because I hate america too.

[peak hamlet]

Ah i see

[atomic pelican]

I am a citizen of my own sovereign nation which includes the land my house is on

[barren tapir]

Because that is a fate worse than death

[atomic pelican]

lucastan

[peak hamlet]

Im aware and i ignore it on purpose

[cunning wigeon]

Exactly, then from there we move to unite the planet under the holy empress Elizabeth the Second

[errant mauve]

Bri'ish food will destroy French society in mere minutes

[barren tapir]

Seems like Proud house might need some democracy

[final spruce]

Nah, I don't want no Emperor

[cunning wigeon]

And lead humanity into a Catholicism inspired grimdarkness

[atomic pelican]

please NATO do not bring 'freedom and democracy' to my nation

I do not wish to be shelled

[barren tapir]

I stand with Zher

[final spruce]

She's already on her golden throne

[cunning wigeon]

So people argue whether we are facist or feudal ogilarchal demo anarchic whatever

[errant mauve]

Elect me and I will lead Mayo-land like my ancestors

Semi-Feudal Nomadic Khaganate

[peak hamlet]

Idc, we go back to monarchy now. Sry m8

[cunning wigeon]

Ewww you actually want to be elected?

Sorry

-1 based

[atomic pelican]

Mayo acknowledges the social contract

[cunning wigeon]

Take the position in some sort of coup

[errant mauve]

I respect the legacy of the ᠬᠤᠷᠠᠯᠲᠠᠢ

[cunning wigeon]

Maybe a cult revolution or something

[barren tapir]

Time to lead a revolution it seems

[errant mauve]

NOOOOOO I'M NOT A CLASSICAL LIBERAL NOOOOOOOOO

[peak hamlet]

Im not going to elect you mayo. In fact im going to ban any mayonnaise products in gerneral

[errant mauve]

your loss

[atomic pelican]

Sorry kid you've been liberalized

[final spruce]

I mean Mayo loves both Space Marine and Chaos Space Marines, he is clearly unbased

[atomic pelican]

prepare to add the 🌐 to your bio

[errant mauve]

AAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[cunning wigeon]

How based is liking AoS?

Am I cringe?

[atomic pelican]

who do you like in aos

[final spruce]

Pretty based

[atomic pelican]

yes

[peak hamlet]

This first

[cunning wigeon]

Ossiarchs, Idoneth, and Slaanesh

[atomic pelican]

Ok gigachad

[peak hamlet]

Semi based

[atomic pelican]

Ossiarchs automatically up there

[cunning wigeon]

I like the sylvaneth but no models yet

[peak hamlet]

Same, tree ppl my beloved

[errant mauve]

ᠴᠢ ᠡᠨᠳᠡ ᠰᠣᠨᠣᠰ᠂ ᠴᠢᠳᠬᠦᠷ ᠮᠢᠨᠢ᠂ ᠬᠡᠷᠪᠡ ᠨᠠᠮᠠᠢ ᠳ᠋ᠠᠬᠢᠨ ᠺᠣᠮᠮᠤᠶᠢᠨᠢᠰᠲ ᠪᠣᠯᠭᠣᠬᠤ ᠦᠭᠡᠢ ᠪᠣᠯ ᠪᠢ ᠴᠢᠮᠠᠢ ᠪᠣᠯᠤᠨ ᠴᠢᠨᠤ ᠬᠠᠶᠢᠷᠠᠲᠠᠢ ᠪᠦᠬᠦ ᠬᠦᠮᠦᠨ ᠢ ᠠᠯᠠᠬᠤ ᠪᠣᠯᠤᠨ᠎ᠠ᠃

[cunning wigeon]

Moon runes

[atomic pelican]

Sorry I don't speak japanese

[errant mauve]

Perish

[cunning wigeon]

It's ancient necron

I know one symbol

[peak hamlet]

Transalet?? Pleas??

Heloo

Cant read

[atomic pelican]

Bro this is LITERALLY just like the aeldari lexicon!? !? @ from Warhammered 40k?!?

[errant mauve]

Чи энд сонс, чөтгөр минь, хэрвээ намайг дахин коммунист болгохгүй бол би чамайг болон чиний хайртай бүх хүнийг алах болно.

You never said which language

https://tenor.com/view/troll-pilled-gif-19289988

[peak hamlet]

Thats cheating

[cunning wigeon]

ඞ

[barren tapir]

I think it is russian

[peak hamlet]

I now demand you to translate it onto french

In

To

Into

[errant mauve]

French

[peak hamlet]

Not onto

[atomic pelican]

can you translate this to pirate english

[cunning wigeon]

ඞ

[errant mauve]

one sec

[cunning wigeon]

ඞ

[atomic pelican]

amoug

[peak hamlet]

I second this

[errant mauve]

Écoute, diable, si je ne redeviens pas communiste, je te tuerai ainsi que tous les gens que tu aimes.

[cunning wigeon]

L + No wenches + touch gold

[atomic pelican]

I shall call up mister Un to undo the spell immediately sir

[cunning wigeon]

Katakros is literally the chad meme Face 24/7

[peak hamlet]

Ok thx and now do early new high german pls

[atomic pelican]

legit yes

[errant mauve]

Yaaar ya damn davy jones worshippin' landlubber, if ye don't turn me back to me gold sharin', sailor rights supportin' self I'll make ye and yer family walk the plank

[atomic pelican]

LMAO

[errant mauve]

Sorry never learnt german (it is the inferior language)

https://tenor.com/view/troll-pilled-gif-19289988

[peak hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-death-gif-22568614

[cunning wigeon]

Now do Victorian chimney sweep cockney

[atomic pelican]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/720782645864431627/901868145554391062/image0-13.gif

[errant mauve]

Aah buh asadjk sdakljslkdalksjdalaksjd (I have had a seizure due to constant soot inhalation while still being a young child with a compromised immune system)

[cunning wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-mr-burns-evil-plan-evil-smile-excellent-gif-5090669

[errant mauve]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/781261861660262400/943704824237662218/image0.gif

[peak hamlet]

Thats one of the worst things i saw yet

[cunning wigeon]

Ive seen an impostor lying on the ground like a sow whilst a bunch of little impostors suckle at their pig like teats

That's the worst among us thing I've seen

[errant mauve]

EreSUS

[peak hamlet]

Oh god oh no

[errant mauve]

My nitro has ran out but pretend I did the smug sorcerer emoji bobo

[final spruce]

You're now the same as us comrade

[errant mauve]

I would post the gif but its genuinely vile

[atomic pelican]

impostor babes

[cunning wigeon]

Yeah it's why I didn't

Instead I hope my horrific description will suffice

[peak hamlet]

God im so fucking glad

[errant mauve]

My primordial urge to kill is triggered when I see the gif

[cunning wigeon]

The red mist descends

[peak hamlet]

Fuck

Thats cheating

[errant mauve]

trolkled

[peak hamlet]

Im going insane

[cunning wigeon]

Okay question

Do they not care they've got gross horns

[peak hamlet]

They like it

Thats why hes smiling

[cunning wigeon]

Like I know tzeentch and nurgle dudes love looking mutated and gross

[peak hamlet]

Its a weird kink

[cunning wigeon]

But surely khorne and Slaanesh are like no now I look fucked

[peak hamlet]

Eh the ones that follow any god in particular tend to be the most fucked up

[final spruce]

That's the nature of Chaos, it twists you both physically and mentally

[errant mauve]

Some do, some don't

it all varies from person to person

but if you're trying to court the gods, I don't think removing their "gifts" is a good way to go about it

[peak hamlet]

GOD NO PLS MAYO

I BEG YOU

[storm jungle]

BOBO

IM GONNA SEW YOUR MOUTH SHUT

[peak hamlet]

Good luck sewing with tape

😎

[storm jungle]

Im turkish i got my ways

[peak hamlet]

Im concerned

[cunning wigeon]

Don't be

[barren tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/concern-concern-meme-40k-tech-priest-commissar-gif-19826274

[cunning wigeon]

The ways are just keeping the ice cream always out of reach

[peak hamlet]

(Also in case you missed it, it was in response to mayos new pfp)

(I think you missed it)

(Im quite certain tbh)

[barren tapir]

Me?

[peak hamlet]

(Nah)

(Dilly)

[storm jungle]

💀

[peak hamlet]

(Another win claimed)

[cunning wigeon]

Don't take the ice cream from the Turkish ice cream parlor, for it is but one of many tests

You must earn it

[errant mauve]

The weak fear the joyful

[peak hamlet]

Literally shaking from anger atm

[cunning wigeon]

Crying and throwing up at the sight of such unbridled, zealous joy

[peak hamlet]

Literally me atm

[cunning wigeon]

Knowing I can't be him

[final spruce]

Bobo despises zoomers

He's a young boomer

[errant mauve]

Me omw to bully Bobo

[cunning wigeon]

The times have changed

Chaos is no longer a bunch of faceless goons

It's now smiling Bois

[errant mauve]

correct

[cunning wigeon]

The urge to do the metal gear solid 4 intro after saying times have changed was way too tough

[cunning wigeon]

I also apologise for any cultural inaccuracies here, I try to be culturally aware but all I know about turkey is that it's a beautiful country and its people are the reason my people used square bullets

[errant mauve]

Huh?

[final spruce]

Oh, you weren't aware ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQZ1Ybq6akI

[cunning wigeon]

And in the early 19th century there were designs for British anti infantry guns that would "fire round bullets for the fellow Christians, and a cube for the Turks"

[final spruce]

And I remember reading about round bullets

Those would break bones to the point of needing amputation

[cunning wigeon]

Yeah theres a reason why we retired them for spitzer rounds

Barbaric

[plush mason]

sounds lovely

[cerulean wagon]

[still atlas]

a gun that caliber, it doesn't matter what shape the bullet is re: damage done to a body, what matters is how quickly it loses force from air resistance so it can apply that force in a meaningful amount

[final spruce]

It kinda does else they wouldn't have used square bullets to inflict maximum pain

[cursive hull]

Course, the Puckle gun was a piece of garbage compared to other weaponry.

*At the time

[final oxide]

Too late, after 4k hours of hoi4 I have stockings growing out of my skin

😔

[azure wing]

Oof

[plush mason]

there is only one cure left to us

https://tenor.com/view/drake-morphin-gun-shoot-weapon-gif-13537279

[outer tundra]

Wtf is “stockings” and why is Hearts of Iron 4 making them grow from your skin

Like

Socks..?

[final oxide]

Oh, you sweet summer child...

Stay innocent

😔

[outer tundra]

What the fuck is happ en i ng

What is it

Is it like skin condition, or like hickeys..?

[final oxide]

It is a dark artifact of the worst kind of Slaaneshi daemons - Femboys

[final spruce]

Just google it

[final oxide]

don't

you'll corrupt your pure little soul

[azure wing]

Lol

Most people call them thigh highs

Not stockings

[storm jungle]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/YyunNwrqXom-fnOWuizHsjuKjRaWJTtkfX-vDBusrMI/https/media.discordapp.net/attachments/658699867585249280/942585143116312626/unknown.png

[odd sparrow]

AoS continues to be superior

[storm jungle]

🙏

[peak hamlet]

Pls do this for 40k gw

What stops you?

[storm jungle]

This is all written by 3rd companies iirc right? @cerulean wagon

[barren tapir]

The fact that having male sister of battles is limited by lore itself probably...
On other factions maybe there is not such limitation

[final spruce]

It's from Soulbound correct ?

[storm jungle]

those guys tend to explore lore/diverse stuff alot more than the actual companies as far as I know

[final spruce]

It's Cubicle 7 boys then

So yeah not GW

[storm jungle]

Yeah GW would never do this shit lmao

have you ever seen a black guy on the cover of any rogue trader booklet

[barren tapir]

Yes

[peak hamlet]

Rip

[final spruce]

Meanwhile Cubicle 7 literally has that

[storm jungle]

^

Literally every other GW made one is just white people and nothing else

[barren tapir]

Oh, wait, rogue trader booklet, not a black guy that is also a rogue trader

[storm jungle]

Yeee thats the Cubicle one

[peak hamlet]

And yeah rogue trader is like 1987, what do you expect lmfao

[storm jungle]

England Moment

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[peak hamlet]

I mean like none of the main characters in lotr are black either

[barren tapir]

That is because they are the bad guy

[obsidian wing]

reminded me if the new lotr series i dunno how i feel about that

[barren tapir]

Haradrim iirc the various culture

Or maybe those were the middle eastern ones...

[peak hamlet]

❓

[barren tapir]

Too much time has passed since i read LoTR or Silmarillion

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/d8zvxn8sRnw

[cerulean wagon]

C7, they currently do the 40k and AoS RPGs

both have been pretty great for it

[storm jungle]

🙏

Based

[final spruce]

Also

Both have new art

No recycling, well not a lot

[barren tapir]

Cubicle should make an improved OW with the old d100 system... They did that with warhammer fantasy TTRPG

I like what they did with W&G, but i despise dice pool system

But that is also because i'm fucking unlucky and even with 20 dice i could score no success

[final spruce]

I've played WRF 4th, its fine but the advantage system is broken if not heavily limited

@cerulean wagon as witness

The issue with W&G is that they tried to salvage a flawed game instead of making a new one

[barren tapir]

True

W&G was flawed from the start, bad idea of trying to bring TT players into RPG imo

It is a mix of both, making both type of players kinda bummed imo

[final spruce]

Heh it achives what it wants to be

A narrative 40k rpg

I still prefer the old system

[cerulean wagon]

I prefer the old system, even if i like dice pool systems W&G is too flawed for my taste

its a very easy RPG to play but is just as easily broken by anyone with TTRPG knowledge

[smoky ferry]

cubicle 7 are fantatsic, I have a huge collection of their LOTR rpg stuff and they make for really interesting campaigns

[novel fulcrum]

i liked 2e quite a lot personally, besides a few quirks

[final spruce]

I have a few friends that praise 2e

Havent tried yet, the only campaign I was going to play got canceled

[novel fulcrum]

besides being whiffhammer central, i think it's pretty solid

one thing i think 4e had a good idea on is always dealing at least 1 damage with a hit

just for the sake of finally finishing combat, perhaps before 4 hours have passed if you're hitting something particularly tanky like a black orc

at that point, you're just waiting for ulric's fury

[proper helm]

Yeah with 2e, you're basically fucked if a tough guy in plate armor rolls up

It plays like call of cthulhu but in Warhammer Fantasy

If there's something that's better than you, it's just better than you

[final spruce]

I personally like it, fits very well Warhammer Fantasy

[proper helm]

I have to agree

Also the moment someone gets an actual gun that guy in plate becomes a lot less invincible

impact baybee

[final spruce]

Also how dwarves and elves are just better than humans

Oh yeah the power of engineering

I hope you don't roll poorly

[signal hill]

what? only place 3 in your wishlist? weak...

[vestal roost]

aaight

I just removed it

https://tenor.com/view/xd-fani-gif-24750348

[novel fulcrum]

this is true, but you're also very unlikely to be a non-human to counter that

i'm also biased in 2e's favor because i like rolling as much as possible and there's all sorts of shit to roll for

[final spruce]

I too loved to roll everything

Until I ended with characters so fucking bad the dm took pity and allowed me to reroll again, which was followed with : Just make one using the normal rules

[plush mason]

lol

[vapid tiger]

b/x moment

also wrath and glory still doesn't quite feel right, which I'd say sort of applies to all the ffg 40k rpgs too

You never quite feel like adventurers trying to succeed against the odds in 40k's setting like you do in WFRP, you always feel like you lack autonomy with the exception of the rogue trader, which is its own beast

you almost always feel like you're just operatives undertaking missions

except for rt and to a degree black crusade

[cerulean wagon]

you can be autonomous in Dark heresy as well

depends on the campaign setup

or even Only war if you have a particularly creative DM

[proper helm]

Yeah it really depends on how you handle the relationship between yourself and your inquisitor/interrogator

[vapid tiger]

Yeah but it always feels limiting

I mean the real issue is that 40k is just hard to pull off as an rpg setting but like

Eh

Also imo the ffg rpgs and wrath and glory feel very uh

modern 40k

there's very little humor it feels like

despite the hilarious crit tables that are just borrowed from wfrp but applied to explosive and energy weapons as well

[cerulean wagon]

W&G is definetly modern 40k but has a bunch of humour bits

like the ork rules

the FFG rpgs are dry, i'll give you that, but thats because a setting should never need to force something to be funny

thats for the players n DM to do

[atomic pelican]

I think I just prefer W&G because ancient RPGs tend to get super crusty with their interactions

Or their rules feel super patchworky as they were done ove rlike

decades of expansions

With no real cohesion

[cerulean wagon]

W&G is clean, highly recommend dark heresy as a tester tho

cleanest of the "old" TTRPGs

so DH is like, the final set up of rules, and the rest of the books can be adjusted to fit it

[proper helm]

Also the 2e book is just gorgeous

[cerulean wagon]

we are discussing 40k ones atm haha

unless u mean DH 2e

and not WHF still

[proper helm]

Yeah I meant the DH 2e book

It's just a fantastic presentation

[cerulean wagon]

ye

[vapid tiger]

Yeah but what if we burned all the copies of 9th edition and forced gw to rerelease rogue trader

[cerulean wagon]

god no

[atomic pelican]

aha yes

I shall retrieve my 5x excel sheets I need to play the game

and also my Walking Dice™️

to determine where I walk

9e is genuinely a actually ok game for 40k standards

AoS is still better but 9e has slappered

[proper helm]

Hold on lemme get my Obi Wan Sherlock Clousseau model out

[vapid tiger]

No we torch the game itself

We just use cleaned up 9e rules but bring character back while also removing a lot of the fascist apologism

we just use the background

[cerulean wagon]

what

but RT literaly has the imperium using fascist everything, i don't think thats going to change anything

[atomic pelican]

Yeah 40k has been like this for awhile

Infact I'd wager that It's actually getting 'better' recently just because of popularity

You make a small gamerbeard niche community and u end up with problems like that

[vapid tiger]

Yeah but it's explicitly evil in rt

Or at least

More evil

No chaos to contrast it with

With the implication that the Imperium as it is in 40k is exactly as the Emperor wanted things

[cerulean wagon]

its still evil, and the same people who would defend it would defend it in RT

[vapid tiger]

Yeah but like

Gregorian monk chanting heroic imperium is lame

Wacky science fantasy gammaworld imperium superior

[cerulean wagon]

thats.... literally the same as RT except a slightly different aesthetic

[vapid tiger]

This is lame

This is good

[cerulean wagon]

those are entirely different people in the setting

[vapid tiger]

This is good

This is incredibly lame

I mean the composition is good sure

But look at the framing

Look at how dull it is

No soul

Custodes are practically stormcasts in space in how they're portrayed look at how absurdly heroic they look

[atomic pelican]

Idk it looks fine to me art wise

And yeah most codex art portrays their faction like so

[vapid tiger]

now look at this

when was the last time you saw a marine getting his shit fucked

in artwork

[atomic pelican]

Codex Genestealer Cults + Codex Tau

+Codex Chaos Space Marines

And I'm sure more

just I remember those ones

[turbid cosmos]

clearly its because he isnt wearing his gauntlets

thats why the old marines got merc'd

[vapid tiger]

They're goddamned stormtroopers in the original source material and I'm all for it

They're brutal mutant supersoldiers enforcing a horrible regime and gw was clearly having more fun with the material

They were always space knights sure but nowadays it's all heroics unless you fucking read a black library novel or really DIG into the core rulebook

You gotta LOOK FOR IT

YOU GOTTA LOOK FOR THE CLEAR "THEY'RE ALL BADDIES" STUFF

And then most new fans are modern nerds so if they take an interest in the background which is a requirement to get that then they end up going on reddit and whatnot and getting involved in communities devoted to that

And it's all just "yes yes i like 40k because the stompoids kill the aliums and the aliums are bad and the stompoids are good for da emprah do not be heretic blam blam"

because of collective brainrot produced by irony poisoning and fucking goddamned shitass 40k boring ass gregorian chant self-serious horus heresy novel ass franchise

no fun allowed outside of blackstone fortress as a reprieve

fuck u nurgle players the emperor gets to wound a chaos god now we're gonna tell you that everything is fucked for the imperium but mostly just write imperial victories to sell more goddammed fucking space marines

with background that feels more like the stupid idiot starfire series of military science fiction rather than a fun, hilarious and dark science fantasy setting

[cerulean wagon]

that because 40k now is sectioned, so you have books and areas that appeal to different groups

[vapid tiger]

to manchildren

[cerulean wagon]

the less gritty bits are for wider audience, the more gritty bits are still there

[vapid tiger]

idc about the grittiness that's secondary

I mean it's actually very important but the main thing is that it doesn't feel fun compared to what came before

[cerulean wagon]

maybe because you are looking in the wrong places

the old style stuff is still there

its just not everything

issues of being an expanded setting, theres a lot of stuff

[atomic pelican]

Yeah the GSC codex actually still has old art in it which is funny

From their pre 7e iterations

[vapid tiger]

i feel like getting my hands on the oldhammer material just ruined modern 40k for me

Not because of the idiot "DAE IT'S DARKER DAE MORE MATURE" point some people make, 40k was never mature

It was just more fun but also didn't appeal to manchildren and people who want good guy stompoid heroes committing genocide to be the entirity of everything 40k

[atomic pelican]

Idk man that's like only a subsection of factions + a smaller subsection of players

Most ppl rlly dont look that deeply into the themes of 40k, or really any media they interact with

[vapid tiger]

Feels larger than a subsection

[atomic pelican]

Oh It's definitely worse than most communities but It's not most people I'd say

Esp if you actually interact with people who do 40k irl

Mostly just regular ppl

[vapid tiger]

wfrp 4e feels more authentic to that older feel

[vapid tiger]

Oh those people are mostly fine

I just dislike how the game feels more like mtg than a game where you push models around and have fun sometimes now

Too sweaty and too much focus on recent releases, it's worse than 7e

It's genuinely worse than 7e

Unless you houserule it

[atomic pelican]

Seems fine 2 me

[vapid tiger]

It's so bloated rn

[atomic pelican]

being sweaty just depends on who you play against

ok that's probably true FUHDNF

[vapid tiger]

Strategems went from being a fun mechanic in 8th to being like

Formations part two in 9th

[atomic pelican]

Yeah stratagems are alot

Tho I believe they plan on cutting them down in 10e

Supposedly

[vapid tiger]

I hope so

[atomic pelican]

It'd also make sense, alot of CP costing things are moving to points cost

Exarch powers for the Eldar, GSC upgrades

[vapid tiger]

Though they're doubling down on the codex power creep it seems

I get they're trying to sell a product but ugh

It feels too corporate

But they are a massive corporation so

Go figure

[atomic pelican]

Nah not rlly, 9e codices tend to be pretty okay compared to eachother

With some extreme outliers

[vapid tiger]

Compared to each other they do but

[atomic pelican]

Drukhari being that, but they've been faq'd down

[vapid tiger]

Compared to the ones that don't have codices

I mean it's 4e-7e all over again

[atomic pelican]

Well yeah, of course. But those factions are going to eventually get their 9e codices

Of course a book designed for a prior edition will be worse than a 9e one DUFHNS

[vapid tiger]

CSM still have one wound

TWO YEARS

[atomic pelican]

And they will get their 2nd wound when they get their codex most likely

[cerulean wagon]

the difference here krug is we don't have anyone running on 3 edition old codex's

its just 1 edition, and most people are moved across now

[atomic pelican]

Yee

[vapid tiger]

yeah well fuck codices just pull an 8th ed index move or do what 3e did and put all the army rules in the core rulebook

[atomic pelican]

Within the year, all armies will probably be 9e

That would be a MASSIVE book

[vapid tiger]

yeah but like

just cut out some units, i shit you not.

i shit you not there's too many units

in certain armies

[atomic pelican]

For some factions, yes

[vapid tiger]

certain armies

[atomic pelican]

Space Marines specifically have a assload of Ancient Models that they won't cut because of marine oldies but It's w/e

Having specific codices seems fine, I wish they were cheaper but that's GW. I'd hate to carry a 300pg book when I'm only playing like, 5% of its contents

[vapid tiger]

but either way 40k feels like it's just

it feels less fun background-wise than even old fantasy now and certainly less fun than aos

like imo they made the space fantasy setting more boring than the generic fantasy one

Darktide looks good because it goes against the grain

[cerulean wagon]

darktide is just standard IG

[vapid tiger]

I was very very happy when that gameplay reveal came out and people were like "DAE THE GAME DOESN'T LOOK SERIOUS ENOUGH"

[cerulean wagon]

its not against the grain at all so far

[vapid tiger]

darktide doesn't seem to be taking itself seriously though

that's the thing

that's why I'm looking forward to it

Also because vermintide

Which also didn't take itself seriously

[cerulean wagon]

idk

VT takes itself seriously a fair bit

[vapid tiger]

Because warhammer shouldn't take itself seriously

[cerulean wagon]

it just has characters

[scenic bolt]

we're here to have fun in 40k

[vapid tiger]

It doesn't

You can have fleshed out and tragic characters that feel like real people while also feeling tongue-in-cheek

Which is how vermintide feels

i mean that's literally wfrp in general

[atomic pelican]

I believe having fleshed out and tragic characters is taking itself seriously

That in, the comedy of both 40k and AoS/WHF tends to be from circumstance rather than silly slapping eachother ove rthe head with cartoon hammers or such

[cerulean wagon]

VT takes the setting very seriously, its just got believable people in it

and people are what make for interesting and fun interactions

its the element of humanity

[vapid tiger]

language issue

we have very different definitions of what constitutes "taking itself seriously"

But I think the fact some 40k fans got upset that the darktide gameplay reveal had upbeat rock music playing and a fun tone rather than GREGORIAN CHANTING and GRIMDARK NARRATION and HORROR is testament to what 40k has become and what it means to many people

which is why we have to kill them

[errant mauve]

Keepin' it real, as an unironic "return to Chaos 3.5e" type of guy, folks who still want 40k to be the way it was in the early 90s to early 2000s era just need to cut their losses and play those settings. Most 40k factions have taken themselves pretty seriously since 3rd or 4th, like it or not, and its evolved as a setting (for better or worse) since the rogue trader days. Everybody has a favourite era of a setting but the fact of the matter is that like its consumer audience, the 40k setting has also changed over its 35ish years of existence.

You can't demand a return to a setting that hasn't truly existed for over 20 years when the most of the target audience are looking for something else.

My favourite edition was and is always going to be 6th edition, however long ago it was, but it's sort of just coping if I didn't admit that the angle 6th attempted to market itself as was different from the post 8th era. 40k never has been consistent in how it advertised itself, as much as we like to tell ourselves it is, and it'll keep on changing as long as it exists.

[cerulean wagon]

it changes as readily as the cash flow

[errant mauve]

Yup, just what it is

inb4 I am annihilated for liking 6e

[vapid tiger]

dissolve gw as a public company

no more 40k

problem solved

[atomic pelican]

I am deploying a GW Plastic™️ nuclear strike to you r location

[errant mauve]

I guess that's why a lot of certain types of fans tend to flood to specialist games like Necromunda or Heresy (myself included), they capture a certain era of Warhammer's tone very well and don't deviate from it.

[dull osprey]

I'm not upset about the change in tone and marketing, like I understand that, but as someone who is also a 3rd edition shill, 3rd edition let you play how you wanted to play an army, gave you plenty of variants and uniqueness, and was generally cool

that;s what I miss

[errant mauve]

NO PLEASE I'LL BUY YOUR NEXT PRIMARIS LIEUTENANT

[errant mauve]

Same :(

[dull osprey]

Later editions got less and less uniques

[vapid tiger]

Yeah that's what sucks about the rules nowadays

[errant mauve]

Definitely very much not a fan of the streamlining of rules

[dull osprey]

and got rid of player agency

[errant mauve]

But hey, I can still play 3rd! (Until everyone complains that Chaos Space Marines 3.5 are too OP in that edition and I have to go play their poopy 5e games)

[vapid tiger]

It's all listbuilding nowadays

It's technically more "open" but it's really not if 99% of the options will be unfun to play because you'll just get annihilated

[dull osprey]

I love Kill Team, but already with the boutique teams, now you are just seeing the same shit again

[dull osprey]

anyone who complains chaos was OP was just a bad player

[vapid tiger]

Whereas in 3rd the only requirement is just having one hq and two troops and then add whatever you feel like within the foc and it would probably be viable

[errant mauve]

True! But telling that to multiple people is not a great way to keep play group members

[dull osprey]

hahah fair

[errant mauve]

The best I'll get to is pointing out that I, as an IW player, did not bring basilisks and only brought 3 obliterators to a 3.5e match, and hoping the truth dawns on my opponent.

[atomic pelican]

oh god

I feel like thanos just snapped

what's happening

Did someone just get deleted

[cerulean wagon]

idk

did they

[vapid tiger]

no i just

deleted messages

because i went off on a tangent on how shitty my day was and y'all don't need that

[final oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-skill-issue-gif-21867945

[vapid tiger]

skull facemask

opinion discarded

[final oxide]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/319031179149836289/941822278268747856/676030769168121856.gif

[vapid tiger]

man really supports space marine spam from gw

[final oxide]

who?

[vapid tiger]

[final oxide]

I just want some dark age of technology human armies

outfitted by Cawl or something

[vapid tiger]

why would they be outfitted by cawl if they're daot human armies

[final oxide]

and some Red Gobbo Gretchin Revolutionary Committee

content

Me want space commie goblin

[vapid tiger]

based

[final oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/want-gif-5027754

[vapid tiger]

anyway i'm gonna sleep as i should have a while ago and hope i don't get the shit beat out of me again at work tommorow

[final oxide]

I dunno, some Cawl Heretechal Mechanicus?

as his personal army

with slick cyborg skitarii

[proper helm]

I think Da Red Gobbo's an HQ choice now

On bounca

but that's not exactly viable

[dull osprey]

I want a Rebel Grot Kill Team so bad

[proper helm]

Just a shit ton of awful, awful operatives that can pull some bullshit if you're crafty

[marsh grail]

Are there people that join gene stealer cults willingly? There are plenty of reasons to do so. There are individuals with teratophilia, people that simply worship powerful beings or simply people seeking the community of joining a cult.

[dull osprey]

oh yeah

[proper helm]

Also most GSCs have fronts

[dull osprey]

for sure

[proper helm]

Ah yes, your two subfactions. Anarchists and Marxist Leninists

[final oxide]

I think those top guys are like kommadoz or something

[dull osprey]

Basically they start in the underhives for a reason. The Ecclesiarchy generally don;t find itself down there too much, so they have their own ecosystem going, and then the cult is the new fthing/faith and it gains traction

[plush mason]

do admech spell it magus or magos?

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Adsecularis

[proper helm]

Magos

[plush mason]

imagine being outranked by a seritor

[proper helm]

Oh, sentient servitors with emotions

Horrible

[plush mason]

hey maybe the 5th character for DT will be a tech thrall lol

[final oxide]

yes

It was my suggestion

[atomic pelican]

Reject your fate, put the fabricator general on a pole

[final oxide]

#general-chat message

[final oxide]

he looks vostroyan

and why the nids symbol

[atomic pelican]

Hes ded

Hes a fabricator general who got turned into a flagpole by the Bladed Cog, a genestealer cult

[final oxide]

lol

are they like Mechanicus Jeans?

Wow

[plush mason]

thicc

[final oxide]

I wonder what would happen if they would become too big to be consumed by the hive fleet

[plush mason]

no such thing

[final oxide]

will they become some weird Omnissiah-GSC faith mix

[plush mason]

tyranids eat galaxies

[final oxide]

not atm

what if they beat the invading fleet

and open their own GSC-Omnissiah cult mix church

[atomic pelican]

This is p much the Bladed Cog

[final oxide]

lol

I need to read about them

[plush mason]

poor nids tbh. they where just here for the all you can eat lunch bar and then some angry man child rips the bar in half

[final oxide]

holy shit

I thought it was something chaosy

for a sec

[final oxide]

Did they resist the nids?

The icon of the Bladed Cog represents the alien in the machine, a potent symbol for the people of Feinminster Gamma -- and all cultists who rise up against the Adeptus Mechanicus.

[plush mason]

no im talking about cadia and the rift

[final oxide]

Did they just describe the meaning of the Mechanicus Cult?

The void dragon worship

[final oxide]

Oh, ok.

Did they get troubled by it?

Meh, just fly around

[signal hill]

Sure, fly around the Rift
...if you got that much time to spare...

[marsh grail]

Glory to the 4 armed toaster

[rose thorn]

I feel like the Mechanicus would be the last thing the nids would try to inject

[barren tapir]

And yet, somehow they managed to do it

[rose thorn]

Boy can’t wait to get all 4% of organic material left on this planet

[cunning wigeon]

well it was actually mainly a normal planet they came from but there was some shit with a high ranking mechanicus wanting to charge up a bunch of titans on the planet as like a military checkpoint, the people couldnt generate enough energy so people were sacrificed as living batteries. This was then used by the cult to disguise their uprising as a more revolution of freedom than an alien uprising

[marsh grail]

Living batteries?

[rose thorn]

So it’s not about the food, bite more about disrupting the military

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah like 9/10 things jn the Mechanicus have people sleeping in battery acid power it

[cunning wigeon]

people were harvested for the bioeletricity

[rose thorn]

They last like 6 months before being replaced

[marsh grail]

Sounds like the near death star in fururama

[rose thorn]

Yeah

yeah

Except the people are more of the routers for the batteries instead of the batteries them selves

[cunning wigeon]

they quite like the mechanicus if i recall, as in the whole omnissiah thing, they just think its a manifestation of the star children

they all augment themselves with cybernetics

[rose thorn]

I keep forgetting and kinda love the fact that the genestealer cults actually have their own culture

And aren’t a hive mind

[cunning wigeon]

they are third human, third robotic, third alien pretty much

[rose thorn]

And opinions on things

Oh yeah something I’m confused about, how exactly does human cloning work in 40k

[marsh grail]

Yes

That’s all you need to know

[rose thorn]

But

Do they get a creature and just fuck their genetic code to be a clone, do they have vat babies

Is it like the drukhari?

It seems like a super super important thing

To explain

[cunning wigeon]

seeing as people dont seem to know how cybernetics in 40k work id assume its just a meh no one knows situation

[rose thorn]

I had an idea for a gsc that basically thsi entire planet was just a cloning facility, but then some how a genestealer got in and infected all the cloning material

So the entire cult is just clones

[cunning wigeon]

haha that sounds pretty neat actually

[rose thorn]

Thanks

I have no clue how I would represent it on table top

[cunning wigeon]

twisted helix are the current super medical one so maybe something like them

[rose thorn]

Yeah, I was thinking that for rules, but I have no clue model wise

I was thinking they all just wear jump suits

[cunning wigeon]

or unnaturally sanitary looking clothes like out of hospital

clean blues and whites

[rose thorn]

Yeah

That’s a good one

[cunning wigeon]

you could also spin it so that instead of mining equipment it's medical equipment that has been tampered with beyond safe limits

eg mining laser being an xray machine

seismic cannon could be modified ultrasound

[rose thorn]

THATS REALLY good idea

[cunning wigeon]

thanks

[rose thorn]

Maybe melee weapons would be like

Fire axes and shit

[cunning wigeon]

or bonesaws

colours like this would work

[rose thorn]

Oooo yea I like that

Make like the patriarch on a cloning vat

Or what ever the big fuck off guy was called

[cunning wigeon]

it is the patriarch

[rose thorn]

Nice

I’m trying to think about what to about like bikers and other vehicles

Eh probably just slap like lab supplies on them

[final oxide]

The Alien in the Machine

Void Dragon

[rose thorn]

Luckily most genestealer cult heads look basically the same

So I’d just need to get replacements for the more unqiue heads

[final oxide]

Do they get eaten doe?

Those Mecha-GSC

[rose thorn]

The mech ones, probably? I see no reason they wouldn’t

But unlike other gscs they wouldn’t really be a goal

[cunning wigeon]

a genestealer cults goal isnt to get eaten

most dont know they will be eaten until the nids actively start killing them after the revolution

[rose thorn]

I mean for the tryanids wouldn’t hardcore focus on the mechanics gsc

[cunning wigeon]

even for the nids their goal is just to weaken the planet so the nids can get it done quickly

[rose thorn]

For my clone gsc

I’m thinking something like ‘The Fission worm’ like binary fission, or something along those lines

[final oxide]

but they do send signals to the fleet, right?

to come

[cunning wigeon]

The patriarch does yeah, but the cult don't know they are getting

They just think they are meeting their gods

Some cults know

But it's mentioned most of them are horrified when the nids have overwhelmed the planet and start eating the cult too

[final oxide]

So

are those special GSC just a bleep in the lore?

they exist for like a 100 years?

[cunning wigeon]

Cults last ages

[storm jungle]

Its generations upon generaions upon generations

[cunning wigeon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

they are literally everywhere

[cunning wigeon]

Every detail is planned out

And sometimes a hive fleet never arrives

So they just proliferate and proliferate

[storm jungle]

Yep, it can get to ridiculous proportions like them sometimes controlling entire systems

exploiting the reproductive cycle we have is a critical component lol

[cunning wigeon]

Throw in enhanced physiology and gene pools

Skaven of space

[storm jungle]

TRU.

[final oxide]

Lol

Imagine like a giant GSC Empire

with every species hybrids in it

to the point of them birthing their own Star Children gods with their warp presence

Warp Bug God ftw

[storm jungle]

Pain.

[final oxide]

Suffering even.

and then they kill the Nids off

Cegorach would love the irony

[rose thorn]

I wonder how long it took the imperium to realize that everyone with purple skin keeps causing revolutions

[vast frigate]

After people with purple skin caused a revolution i guess

[rose thorn]

But it is at least semi normal for the humans to revolt to be the mutants, at some point it has to become obvious that they aren’t just mutants revolting

[barren tapir]

Indeed, many other times are just humans that are fed up with imperium shitty management

[smoky ferry]

I think it's probably a bit of a disconnect with the minitures and the lore

i'm pretty sure not all GSC have bald heads, ridges and claws and the majority are people, but the company wants to sell an army with a distinct feel so we only see that snapshot, the same way we don't see all the folks behind the spacemarines that do the cleanign and shiz in minis too much

[final oxide]

Oh yeah, every SM has like a bunch of slaves helping him to put on the armor

[shadow plover]

Acolytes keep themselves hidden until the revolution, neophytes, whom still look pretty human contribute to the society with extra efforts to keep themselves trustworthy

[final oxide]

Lol, I want to see some Loyalist Jeans Stealers

They believe that God Emperor Star Child will come from space

[storm jungle]

They are mind-controlled to not think of such stuff

[final oxide]

But they can worship Omnissiah-Alien?

[storm jungle]

I mean no?

Last i recall they just see it as the Star Gods But Robotic™️

[final oxide]

Star God But Sitting On The Golden Throne™️

I dunno, it's just a funny image

Bug Emperor Cult

[final oxide]

😎

checkmate atheist

[storm jungle]

😩

[plucky moth]

tbf, 4 arms are better than 2

[final oxide]

forearms are better than foreheads

😎

||and foreskins ||

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeWpUSOqHtM

[vast frigate]

[storm jungle]

Very intense

I cried

[plush mason]

that quote was epic ngl

[storm jungle]

I couldnt last 5 seconds

what was it

[rose thorn]

What would a Slaanesh fallen tau look like?

Besides the usual suspects, would they have anything unique to them you think?

[storm jungle]

Copying from the other channel

Tau but with crab claws and pink

[plush mason]

"the foe is well equipped well trained and battle hardened . and he thinks his gods are on his side. let him think that. for we have tanks on ours."

[storm jungle]

Yeah but like

[rose thorn]

Yea I was thinking that too

[storm jungle]

they got giant monsters and tanks too

😩

[rose thorn]

I was thinking, since there’s gonna be a cultist HQ in the nextCSM codex I was gonna try to convert a tau into the HQ

[vast frigate]

Listen if the enemy has a walking anus im dipping out

[rose thorn]

What is like the feudal Japan representatives of lust and excess?

Okay normal shit

[rose thorn]

Tryanids

Tau really don’t do much in the terms of excess

Besides like, gluttonous kroots

[final oxide]

Do they fall to Chaos doe?

aren't their souls too small?

[cursive hull]

its not really a matter of size

[rose thorn]

Anyone can fall to chaos

[cursive hull]

T'au have very dim souls, they're hard for Daemons to notice

But yes, in theory, any one can

[rose thorn]

It’s just about how much the gods care

There are plenty of khrone orks

And there is actually a very small amount of khrone tau too

And nurgle tryanids

There is actually Tzeetch eldar too actually

[storm jungle]

Tzeentch eldar?

[rose thorn]

I don’t have any quotes or anything but I heard a small amount of eldar did a pact with tzeetch in order for Slaanesh to not take their souls

Yea there’s a craft world of tzeetch eldar

Apparently

[storm jungle]

Eh? First time i hear of it

Are you sure you arent confusing it with GSC

eldar would never actively have a pact with chaos

[rose thorn]

I’ve heard people talk about it but never seen any proof

[storm jungle]

Yeah in that case thats false

[rose thorn]

Nah there’s a nurgle infected GSC

Which has a whopping 2 lines of text on the warhammer wiki

[storm jungle]

Yeah because its a random event in a codex

so no that important

[rose thorn]

Cool but not important

[storm jungle]

😎

[rose thorn]

But yeah anyone can fall to chaos, doesn’t matter who.

There is a necron tomb world that got infected by a nurgle garden

I mean all the necrons at that point are basically flower pots

[storm jungle]

I mean

[final oxide]

I saw a cool art of Chaos Tau exoskeleton

[storm jungle]

necrons dont have souls

lmao

also that event makes no sense

[final spruce]

It's been shown that, if the presence of chaos is enough, it can infect inanimate items

So necrons aren't out of the oridnary

[final oxide]

lol

I thought they have like an anti-warp field

they literally obliterate souls and warp with their sheer presence

[storm jungle]

Thats blackstone

as zherlum said chaos can have a physical infection effect but otherwise they cant really pop demons out of necrons or whatever

[rose thorn]

Slaanesh dwarf

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats AOS

[rose thorn]

Slaanesh dwarf seems like such a weird thing

I know

[storm jungle]

🧠

[rose thorn]

It’s like

[odd sparrow]

smol

[rose thorn]

Dwarfs are the exact opposite of Slaanesh

[storm jungle]

I mean not really

[odd sparrow]

Given the lack of a beard it's prolly like. literal dwarf

[storm jungle]

they got mortal needs just like humans

[odd sparrow]

short person

[storm jungle]

Yeah that or a halfling

[odd sparrow]

And yeah, dwarves can get chaos'd up

idk how much it's been hinted at in AoS though

[storm jungle]

Lemme check

[odd sparrow]

I remember hearing smthn about chorfs being a thing

[storm jungle]

The Halflings in Age of Sigmar are probably or temporarily extinct due to the destruction of the Old World and its moons. Mootland is gone because of the Old World's destruction by the Chaos Gods including Slaanesh.

Ah so in limbo until GW brings them back

as per the norm

[final oxide]

irl short people are often into some kinky stuff

I was thinking about that girl from Little Big

[worn fern]

I would love to throw a small person out of the window of a five story building if you get what I mean 😳

[storm jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735819155608961044/928004895355850782/Tumblr_l_578113567954778.gif

[spice orchid]

i could see a slaaneshi dwarf that is obsessed with drinking/making the finest ales in existence

[alpine ingot]

It only took the end of the world for someone to burn the Mootlands and those fat bastards out of existence

[rose thorn]

I’ve never really known anything about fantasy, but I would totally play a halfling army

[rose thorn]

What the fuck would. A halfling army work

[plush mason]

they wear cooking pots and pans for armor

[rose thorn]

Oh my god I love them

[dry coyote]

XD

[vapid tiger]

40k will never have halfling hot pots

remember this

[vapid tiger]

They almost definitely exists in aos since gw's worldbuilding logic with aos is that "everything fucking exists in aos do what you want"

Like it'd be weird if halflings DIDN'T transfer over like everyone else

Like humans and ogres and orcs and elves and dwarves and whatnot just kind of appeared in the realms from a mixture of the shattered survivors of the end times and what is implied to be reincarnation so like

It'd be weird if the halflings weren't around but ultimately it's up to geedubs

though i think it's still pretty vague as to how exactly the races reappeared in aos (but differently) because it's not important

inb4 "aos confusing and bad" response

[rose thorn]

I thought halfings in 40K were called rattlings

[final spruce]

They are

Literally small person with big feet that are good at shooting and stealing

[storm jungle]

Lord of the Rings Moment™️

[serene jungle]

Bugman*

[storm jungle]

https://twitter.com/i_am_de_lion/status/1497353231894200329

lion el'Johnson (@i_am_de_lion)

Since getting into 40k I've come to realise it's basically unbeatable. https://t.co/roizWbW1Yj

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Twitter · Feb 25, 2022, 11:30 PM

God another one of these

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/923988648620339220/947176697554419712/unknown.png

What else do I expect from a primarch twitter account

💀

[vast frigate]

honestly lionel

a single guardian can do a lot more damage than you think lmao

and the federation is a tad more organized than 40k humanity, but hey

a lot of things are

he just harms the good name of lucious-locks-lionel

[storm jungle]

Also like, iirc dont the phasers/weapons the crew in Star Trek use OP as hell or something?

[vast frigate]

They are

[storm jungle]

I remember reading some ridiculous stuff about them

[vast frigate]

theyre pretty much uh

if you dont fiddle with the settings theyre fine

but if you uptune the stun power you can pretty much just paralyze everyone in a hallway with one shot

like, full on neural damage

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[vast frigate]

and thats only the stun setting

[storm jungle]

How bad is the damage one

[vast frigate]

yes

[storm jungle]

[vast frigate]

Uhhh

to sum up

Low power = stun due to electrical shock
Medium power = oochie oochie my arm is now burnt to the third degree

high power and beyond can level a building

They fire particles, which is the main reason why theyre so strong

like full on pocket particle accelerators

Yaknow those things we contain in rings because they could trigger black holes if misfired

[storm jungle]

OOF

those bolters dont look as enticing anymore ngl

[cerulean wagon]

thats actually misinfo, a black hole can't form from a particle accelerator as it would not have enough mass to self sustain

particle acceleration n phasers are pretty stronk tho ye

the one time we saw it get used full up in star trek someones head exploded

(i still can't get over that being an episode)

[vast frigate]

i mean, it wont self sustain

but it will be there for the split second it does

[cerulean wagon]

it'd have such a minor gravity that it wouldn't matter

[vast frigate]

also im reading up now, further into the phaser stuff

[cerulean wagon]

people just wanted to say cern was doomsday because science scary

[vast frigate]

apparently overloading a phaser is a capital crime

[spice orchid]

plus the federation is focused on exploration and research. They can study an enemy and figure out how their shit works

[vast frigate]

because it can level a block

[cerulean wagon]

https://youtu.be/g_Vr9LnogLM?t=83

[vast frigate]

on the whole other end of the spectrum

for the twitter man

Guardians can summon literal star fire

or antimatter bombs

[spice orchid]

and as long as their ghost is alive, resurrect immediately without limit

[vast frigate]

hell, we know of a few who straight up unload all the energy of a supernova into their weapons for the next fire

or spread said energy to all nearby weapons

[spice orchid]

some can also generate void shields around themselves at will

[vast frigate]

its all just like; yeah warhammer is over the top

but... a lot is

[cerulean wagon]

destiny is basically a superhero powerfantasy setting

[spice orchid]

space magic

[vast frigate]

Its uh

Lmao amnesiac space wizards

With a horny for big gun

[spice orchid]

they routinely turn their enemies into guns

[cerulean wagon]

but ye off the top of my head this is the one time that a phaser was shown in old trek just flat killing someone

its great

[vast frigate]

yeah i cant remember anything else besides..

a stun going wrong?

[spice orchid]

given the chance, they would turn the chaos gods into guns

[vast frigate]

no wait thats new generation

[vast frigate]

they did it with oryx

they did it with crota

they did it with fucking xöl

euhhh

[spice orchid]

and we just did it again with savathun's worm

[vast frigate]

atheon

[spice orchid]

it's a grenade launcher now

[vast frigate]

the literal god of time

Yes

Oh, Outbreak Prime

not a god, but a god machine

[plush mason]

so does the imperium have normal cities?

[shrewd nest]

Before the population needs a hive city, sure.

Lots of regular cities in the lorew.

Often built on the corpses of other cities, but regular cities none the less.

[plush mason]

k

[proper helm]

So, flak armor is actually pretty good if you're not being shot at by something designed for disabling light vehicles as well as people. Is there anything how well it holds up against melee attacks?

[cursive hull]

Flak armor, as in, the stuff Guard wear?

Yeah, against human sized (And powered) opponents. Its solid all around kit to my understanding. It can take las gun blasts as well as conventional firearm rounds.

For Melee, I'd wager it should be able to hold up well, though, again, only against opponents on par with baseline human abilities.

It'd probably stop a bayonet, an attack by a Kroot Carnivore, etc

But some specialized melee weapon it'd probably provide only the barest protection. Chainswords, for example. It'd probably provide no protection at all against power weapons.

I've no sources for this, but it is the general way its been depicted as I've experienced it

[vapid tiger]

I mean usually it's portrayed as being able to do very well against shrapnel, debris, etc, and reliably stop stubbers (so low caliber handguns)

It can withstand a lucky lasblast or rifle bullet, knives, etc in stories it's in but doesn't stand up to concentrated fire super well

Like I think a few lasgun shots to the chest puts down a guardsman in a Gaunt's Ghosts novel?

I can't remember which one

But that's multiple shots

[cursive hull]

"Flak Armour is manufactured from multiple layers of ablative and shock-absorbent materials that are primarily ceramic in origin and are intended to deflect and absorb the kinetic energy of a weapons strike or blow." from https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Flak_Armour

And, yeah

As I understand it, while Flak armor is good at heat dissipation, it can't do it if shot in the same place one too many times too fast.

[vapid tiger]

It's pretty good armor but it's not going to turn the guardsman into some 41st millennium plate armored knight who is striding turning aside bullets and lasbolts. There's still a pressing need to take cover against even small arms fire

[brittle nebula]

(Mechanical clicking) interjection, one stander set of flak armor… [checking cogitator] can safe guard against several laz weapon shots if properly cleaned a blessed twice a day.

[vapid tiger]

So it's p much like modern military grade body armor in terms of effectiveness against most small arms fire in how it's portrayed

[cursive hull]

Its reasonable armor. Far and away better than nothing.

[vapid tiger]

of course it gets fucked if it gets hit by an ork shoota, a gauss blaster, a boltgun, a fleshborer, or especially a pulse rifle but everyone knows that

[cursive hull]

Its just that 40k has such a fucked power scale that it doesn't seem like it

[brittle nebula]

Anything above auto pistol based… weapons = your …redacted… [checking cogitator] for lack of a better word

[brittle nebula]

Must check affectedness of that… thought line [mechanical clicking] servo skull #5446 being subroutine #7… (distant clicking and binary) …I don’t know where to find… [checking cogitator] …flak armor figure it out… (more clicking and binary) is your audio receiver… broken figure it out

[plush mason]

that literally sounds like an upgraded version of an old ww2-nam era flak vests lol

[cursive hull]

Eh

Its cheap, and it works

[plush mason]

so yeah upgraded flak vests lol

cheap ok armor that may save your life

[cursive hull]

Its surprisingly practical of 40k

[final spruce]

You just resumed a good bunch of the Guard lore for 40k

Reasonable-ish and practical in a world where everything is pumped to 11

[vast frigate]

This is called the comisaris bat

Someone give it a hat

[jade scarab]

no more perials for space elves bruv??

eldrad gon be popping off

perils**

[upbeat arch]

After Desh'ea was fuckin awesome

[plush mason]

anyone know the lore of the chaos dwarves from fantasy battles?

or has a site they can link for it?

[odd sparrow]

Can check Lexicanum & the other fandom wiki, they should have expansive info on the fluff

tl;dr dwarves are created by the old ones as part of their project to create a race that can protect the planet from chaos, dwarves expand very far north, when the polar gates get beaned & daemons invade the planet all of those far northern dwarven holds get either completely destroyed, or they manage to hold out.

The future chaos dwarves did manage to survive, but they got corrupted by chaos in the process, becoming bitter & more violent with distinct mutations. They swear allegiance to a minor chaos god named hashut, turn their immediate surroundings in the dark lands (big empty plain) into an industrial hellscape, lots of slavery

they're not just more chaos worshippers that happen to be dwarves, they're a very distinct race with a disdain for the conventional ruinous powers, tho they will still sell them gear

Army has a focus on elite chaos dwarf hybrid infantry with hordes of hobgoblin slaves, very heavy artillery, mutated monstrous cavalry & some big constructs

[plush mason]

they should be fun in TWWH3 then 🙂

[odd sparrow]

Yee I think they'll be very fun & interesting to play

you can go with dwarf-esque high leadership infantry gunlines, or big ogre-esque monster curbstomp rushes, or skaven-esque massed range with hordes of chaff

[ashen lake]

here's an idea... if it's a dying race, stop taking guardians in your list, problem solved

guardians honestly make zero sense unless you're having like a battle on a craftworld or something imo

[brittle nebula]

Let… them burn

They’re the… ones [mechanical clicking] who created… slaneesh

[ashen lake]

it's like "hey you! yeah you, with the infinite life span who only breeds once every few centuries! put on this flak jacket and go storm that trench!"

"don't we have cannons that literally create black holes?" "I SAID GO STORM THAT TRENCH!"

"here's an ocarina that shoots ninja stars, go be all you can be"

[storm jungle]

Also craftworlders didnt create slaanesh

[ashen lake]

man I really like warhammer 3 but I don't want to play the damn ursun campaign again

[storm jungle]

Bear Moment™️

https://tenor.com/view/bear-bear-eating-apples-gif-23024287

[ashen lake]

i've always kind of wanted to try to do a good guy monke campaign... like a wulfrik redemption arc of something. that might be more viable in the 3rd game since chaos is more of a threat

[storm jungle]

Its sadly a bit difficult when every faction wants to disembowel you

but its worth a try

[ashen lake]

my theory was to turtle big time and just like simp for empire/kislev and shower them with gifs until they let me cross the non-aggro/trade agreement treshhold and then go from there

gifts, not gifs

although some people like to be showered with gifs

[storm jungle]

I usually shower them with gifts when I mod my money to be infinite

[ashen lake]

"here franz i made this for you what do you think"

i honestly LOVE the outpost mechanic tho

[brittle nebula]

And… [mechanical clicking] who owns the… craft worlds?

[ashen lake]

because unlikely alliances and stuff like that are my favorite thing about warhammer

one feature i definitely want is the ability to control your outpost units when your ally gets attacked

[storm jungle]

Thats like accusing a guardsman today for the horus heresy

so your logic still makes no sense

[brittle nebula]

[mechanical sigh] you know… what I mean you elf lover

[storm jungle]

I genuinely dont, toaster lover

[brittle nebula]

[activating mechanical middle finger] 🖕

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-seethe-mald-cope-seethe-mald-the-skeleton-appears-gif-24780492

[cunning wigeon]

that amongus poop gif is genuinely vile

why is it amongus that brings out the most deplorable parts of the human psyche

[storm jungle]

Look to be fair he was asking for it