Not exactly but close
#40k-lore-chat
barren tapir
They think that the pinnacle was already reached, and they shouldn't try to invent stuff, but recover the lost one
It is also mixed with extreme religious stuff
barren tapir
The Ad. Mech. existed well before the imperium of big E
storm jungle
Yeah also the admech would dump the Imperium the moment shit hit the fan
they are by no means loyal to the Imperium as a whole
crisp heath
Didn't they got big in the age of strife (or after) in some bunkers?
barren tapir
They already tried to do so already lol
storm jungle
Lol yeah
crisp heath
I got that some people are not truly loyal to the imperium
barren tapir
Didn't they got big in the age of strife (or after) in some bunkers?
Yes, the Ad. Mech. formed during the age of strife
Although, afaik, no precise date was recorded for when the mechanicum rose on mars
storm jungle
I got that some people are not truly loyal to the imperium
I mean you need to be basically patriotic/brainwashed to be loyal to the Imperium in-universe. Its a rotten carcass of an empire and has zero redeeming qualities, theres a reason people worship chaos so much as a form of escape
crisp heath
I mean the army of Krieg tried a coup on the imperium at one point before joining the Astra Militarum
barren tapir
Not the army, the planet governor and nobles
barren tapir
And not a coup, just seceding
crisp heath
ahh, so take over
storm jungle
Yeah the side that won was basically the hardcore pro-imperials
crisp heath
I also heard that Krieg almost won in that chase
barren tapir
ahh, so take over
Not really, just a planet that go with "hey, i want to be independent! Screw you imperium!"
crisp heath
but something happened that stopped them
barren tapir
I also heard that Krieg almost won in that chase
Correct, the pro independence were going to win, but they didn't got their hands on nukes, the pro imperium had them... And nuked the planet
And since the pro imperials had the nukes, and knew they wanted to use them, they dug up and built bunkers, the other side didn't
crisp heath
I mean you need to be basically patriotic/brainwashed to be loyal to the Imperiu...
I think the only humans not in the imperium where some planets, people converted by the Tau, and, of course, chaos. Right?
crisp heath
And since the pro imperials had the nukes, and knew they wanted to use them, the...
i understand!
storm jungle
I think the only humans not in the imperium where some planets, people converted...
Theres a lot of human pocket elements, its mostly from the fact that anyone reading 40k lore wouldnt really want to read about them since they're not factions in the tabletop game, hence why they get sidelined as plot devices/planets for the Imperium to come and rule and whatnot
barren tapir
The history of krieg is not one of selfless sacrifice for the glory of mankind or the defence of it, it is a clear example of how fucked up the imperium is, or hos much fucked up is to live under the imperium
Before being nuked krieg was a lush world, with great cities and in general a well developed civilised world
And when the rebellion started the imperium didn't even cared about those still loyal to it on the surface, they left them there, knowing that they could take it back later, then it got nuked and the imperium completely forgot about it, until they received communications from it stating that it was being pacified and with regiments ready to ship, the imperium being the cesspool it is didn't asked anything and just took what they were promised and left, leaving it a desolated rock...
No relief package, no restoring of it to old glory, not even commendation for the people that fought for it, nothing but exploitation
crisp heath
Also! if i may ask. Servo-Skulls and other robot's. I know that AI is a no-go, but how far can you go to be still in the green space
final spruce
You can go AI if you're the Mechanicus and can hide it
Or Cawl
But usually just stample a brain soemwhere, even half of it and its good
crisp heath
So do people now that Servo Skulls are some kind of.. thing (Don't want to call it AI)
I know there is no brain in it
so it must be some sort of robot
cursive hull
The laymen in the Imperium doesn't know how most of the tech works.
They just know that it works
barren tapir
Spirits
Machine spirits
The imperium call machine spirit pretty much that is even slightly automated
Your smartwatch? It has a machine spirit for the imperium
crisp heath
Ahhh, so they just don't care if the Ad Mech can sell it good enough to them (sell in the way to "Gaslight" them)
plush mason
arent survo-skulls made from fallen tech priests?
barren tapir
Well, not exactly, the Ad. Mech. too prohibit AI
final spruce
Ahhh, so they just don't care if the Ad Mech can sell it good enough to them (s...
Yeah the Imperium is all about hypocrisy
barren tapir
arent survo-skulls made from fallen tech priests?
Not all, not necessarily
final spruce
arent survo-skulls made from fallen tech priests?
And heroes of the Imperium / loyal servants
final spruce
Indeed
barren tapir
Being made a servo skull can be seen as an honour depending on who you ask
plush mason
so its like the opposite of being turned into a servitor. a servo skull is an honor and a servitor a punishment
crisp heath
Yes and no.
As a servo skull you are just decoration. As a servitor you are still there in a sense, just lobotomized
barren tapir
so its like the opposite of being turned into a servitor. a servo skull is an ho...
Like many things... It depend
But as a general rule yes
cursive hull
Well, decoration isn't quite right. Servoskulls still serve a purpose in of themselves
crisp heath
i mean just the skull*
Because the part they use from you is just the decorative skull. the rest is machine. It's still a big deal, tho
i mean, not that people know that they just use a skull and that you are not really in that thing
novel fulcrum
nah, they use your brain too
remember, no imperial machine can both be entirely synthetic and also act independently
at least, not officially
which is why mechanicus automatons are designed to require constant direction from their datasmith to not just repeat the last order ad infinitum
i s'pose there's probably some servo-skulls in the setting that may be entirely hollow just doing the same one thing constantly, but i doubt those are the ones we usually see acting as assistants to individuals
vast frigate
from what i remember on researching servoskulls is that ''Transmit data and recon'' is the fallback if contact is lost with direct orders
novel fulcrum
yeh, but even then 'recon' implies at least a little bit that the machine will use its own discretion in that case, either that or i'm underestimating what full automatons are allowed to do all on their own
vast frigate
Pretty much
the machine spirit could interpret that recon means one area
or an entire vessel
barren tapir
A machine spirit is what the Imperium refers to as the inner workings and automated systems within their technology. These are distinct from forbidden Abominable Intelligence, as they lack the ability to enhance themselves
barren tapir
The what?
vast frigate
theres a small overlap between machines having an actual ''spirit'' due to the warp effect
storm jungle
Its left deliberately open-ended for the most part.
vast frigate
yep
rose thorn
Tallarn desert radiers's art fucking bangs
oh okay apparently most of them are illiterate
storm jungle
oh okay apparently most of them are illiterate
I'm pretty sure they aren't.
Where is this from?
nova meteor
this looks like the kinda thing they just didn't bother to come back to as the lore evolved
it looks dumb
storm jungle
rose thorn
i cant believe that the tallarn desert raiders are imperial fists
barren tapir
No, it looks like they took the lore from an Only war manual, and in that manual tallarn was set as death world probably, and death worlders weren't exactly litterate
Yes, it is because they have tallarn listed as a death world, and because of this share all except one of the death world stuff... But tallarns is not a death world
final spruce
No, it looks like they took the lore from an Only war manual, and in that manual...
Dunno Only war says it used to be a luxurious world before it got virus bombed by the IW
barren tapir
Correct, it was an agri world, virus bombed by IW, and is now considered a desert world
So, yeah, i cannot see them as being death worlders like the catachan are...
I blame it on the fact that they had to do with the limited types of worlds in the core rulebook
I would say that a modified frontier world homeworld would have been better imo...
I also blame whoever wrote that wiki article that did so by simply copy and paste what was written in the rulebook without thinking about its content and reasons to be explained that way
rose thorn
i like their design but i feel like they dont have enough personality
novel fulcrum
to be fair, a wiki page's purpose is not to decide what something means for you, but to describe the thing and the things surrounding the thing
and in this case, putting the verbatim* content in there is probably the best bet for that (edit: said first-party when ffg is definitely not that, generally just talking about setting content as a whole)
would it benefit from some kind of structure in which each set of statements has some kind of indicator as to when the statements come from, so as to be able to easily compare older and newer tidbits? well i mean, obviously, not even a question about it
but i'd be skeptical at best if they just took the liberty of looking at the content as a whole and, more or less, decided what conflicting lore point wins out for anyone that's uninformed on the subject and looks to that page for answers
final spruce
I mean we already know 40k wikis are in a constant edit war because the mods deliberately chose to keep the lore they like 
worthy nacelle
cursive hull
What of that isn't the command bridge do you not understand?
That thing on the spire is an observation deck
@worthy nacelle
The bridge of the Providence class is right up front, sitting hunched over the slope going down towards the beak at the fore.
The blue thing up front is the bridge
Just above the hanger bay is the command and control for starfighters.
The spire is an observation deck for VIP's etc
storm jungle
Damn, true π©
cursive hull
Well, it also has the benefit of being shielded, being a dedicated carrier and not meant to be up front (Unless we're talking about the Providence Dreadnought which is better armored) with the other line ships
I still hate they did that
You have the standard issue Providence, which is a dedicated carrier
Then you have the Providence Dreadnought, which is just the Providence but blown up several times to scale
snow tundra
Such a great movie
snow tundra
Turns into a big robot maid
cerulean wagon
the fuck is that
snow tundra
Spaceballs
barren tapir
Ball space the film!
cerulean wagon
oh god
snow tundra
The best spoof movie of all time
cerulean wagon
its been too long
snow tundra
Spaceballs the flamethrower
barren tapir
Childrens love it
barren tapir
Do you call this a radar?!
storm jungle
barren tapir
No sire, we call it mr coffee!
storm jungle
Clearly an STC
snow tundra
Ludicrous speed
vagrant kelp
plush mason
lol
sonic hemlock
comb the desert XD
still atlas
when the rogue trader wants to show he means business but also loot the ship for valuables later
eternal ledge
You idiots you caught their stunt doubles!!!!
rose thorn
Is it just me or are the knight houses kinda samey?
errant mauve
in what way?
marsh grail
That they are knight houses
errant mauve
lol
plush mason
if the orks spent enough time fighting could they become krorks again?
marsh grail
Yes
rose thorn
in what way?
They all are like
Different shades of pompous
Like I love that
But itβs hard to find one I really like since they are all so samey
errant mauve
Maybe check out some of the Forgeworld or lesser houses?
There's a bit more variety to them
Or if you don't mind a slight tangent from knights, the Titan Legions in my opinion tend to be a bit more characterful than the knight houses
rose thorn
True
crisp heath
Well they should
Knight lore is scarce
while titans have been talked about forever
errant mauve
There's also the bonus of the Heresy and Adtitanicus doing a lot for the Legios
though tbf there's also basically an entire black book dedicated to Knight Houses
crisp heath
Its kinda weird tho imo
GW typically craps out mountains of lore for new stuff
FW has been giving titans lore since they started making them. Plus they were essential to the HH since before they started writing the novel series
errant mauve
Probably because most of the effort went into FW's heresy era houses
in terms of fluff
Comparing the 40k knight fluff to the 30k stuff is day and (k)night
errant mauve
The Pert part was meh but that's partially because now my Siege of Terra themed IW force feels a bit bad
crisp heath
I think Warhawk and the Fury of Magnus are my fav siege books
errant mauve
Warhawk's mine for sure
crisp heath
I just started on the Head of the Hydra
errant mauve
Normally I like McNeil's stuff but the planet Fursonas in Fury of Magnus was too much for me
crisp heath
im about 1/4 done
Not to far after valdor tried to fight him
I think after he is on his way to find what im assuming is Omega
dusk widget
This is my favourite Primarchs novel.
Interesting retcon of almost everything we know about Primarchs.
storm jungle
I mean not really
Its just stuff like
"owo memepharius was the first primarch found"
and other dumb nonsense because the alpha legion
barren tapir
That is exactly what alpahrius would say... Get her!
storm jungle
marsh grail
They all are like
Different shades of pompous
What about Makhai and the chainsword Anderclease?
frosty cobalt
i adore the shot of the big ship covering the smaller ones
you wouldnt see the imperium doing that
barren tapir
Shiz, this is really good... Exodite?
novel fulcrum
you wouldnt see the imperium doing that
but what about the space wolves that one time? :^)
vast frigate
Jezus lmao
barren tapir
Extremely reasonable for being from cultists tbh
plush mason
ima just use the chakat's den version of shir
novel fulcrum
probably more appreciative of mortals being in fear and awe enough to keep that in mind rather than actually minding the contents itself
perhaps appreciative isn't the right word, more like expected
empty current
https://youtu.be/sZhf5JKEeS8
and to think this would have been on youtube if GW wasn't GW. I still feel sorry for all the patreon supporters for the exodite.
marsh grail
Who is the traitor that has a room made up of people grafted to the walls constantly screaming?
final spruce
Curze
marsh grail
Is there a wiki page covering the room?
odd sparrow
and to think this would have been on youtube if GW wasn't GW. I still feel sorry...
it's still getting made, at least
I haven't yet found a full video file at super satisfactory quality
odd sparrow
depraved slaaneshi obsession is when gender neutral pronouns
crisp heath
Is exodite being done by syama?
plush mason
i thought GW killed it off?
odd sparrow
Nah, the first episode just came out on WH+. GW hasn't really 'killed off' that much
empty current
they ate it
crisp heath
Killed what?
empty current
the only thing GW has killed recently was their stock price
plush mason
Killed what?
fan fics
odd sparrow
they've just nabbed a lot of previously patreon funded projects onto WH+, & had a few others shut down their patreons
crisp heath
His patreon is active anyway
odd sparrow
and then a couple of creators stopped GW content entirely cus of how vague and incompetent GW was being with the specifics & enforcement of their new copyright guidelines
Doesn't make much sense to sink hundreds of hours of time into content that could make you dick all if GW decides to copyright you
empty current
GW is allergic to success, it was only a matter of time until they shot themselves in the foot really
odd sparrow
But yeah, Exodite is absolutely amazing, esp for any tau fans here
crisp heath
Personally I think Syama got a special deal.
If his patreon is still active and he has thousands of subs.
He's getting money from that
And GW hired him lol
odd sparrow
If I find any good quality copies I'll boop with them
crisp heath
Syama shit on everyone else in terms of quality imo
odd sparrow
that's the astartes one right?
crisp heath
Yah
odd sparrow
ye im not talking abt them
empty current
The problem is that Syama promised that the Exodite would come out years ago to his patreon supporters, then due to NDA it was literally months of radio silence as the release date came and went and nobody heard or saw anything til trailer dropped on GW official channel
crisp heath
No idea what he's making for gw tho
Is exodite his?
I thought exodite was a separate maker
odd sparrow
yeah I thought so
crisp heath
The trailer for exodite hit YouTube before
crisp heath
Gw started making wh+
I think it's someone else
Syamas animation is a bit different
I could sub to his patreon to see what he's posting
π€·ββοΈ
empty current
yeah no not Syama, but I forget the Exodite guys name
point is it was a bit of a scandal when the exodite didn't come out
odd sparrow
yee makes sense
crisp heath
Syama seems to be working multiple projects rn
Working with GW and MCU
He has a short video up
But I'm not wholly sure if it's warhammer or something else entirely
π€·ββοΈ
It's something else entirely
Guess his gw stuff is under wraps
I'm gonna guess it's a continuation of Astartes
I'm wondering if he will finish the video between astartes season 1 and 2
potent swift
and then a couple of creators stopped GW content entirely cus of how vague and i...
I thought that was due to their 'fans' throwing a fit over them selling out?
Or am I thinking of someone else?
odd sparrow
I thought that was due to their 'fans' throwing a fit over them selling out?
I think that did also happen at least once yeah lol
With that I mainly mean relevant to TTS, cus despite alfa describing it very clearly some ppl still think GW went out of its way to kill the series
which it didn't, tho it indirectly forcing its creators to avoid the IP from vague copyright policy isn't a whole lot better
potent swift
It really isn't although I'm of the opinion that GW couldn't realistically enforce it
odd sparrow
Yee they can't, it's a confused policy that exists to support WH+ and I don't think anybody at GW is really steering the ship
scenic bolt
for as much shit as the wotc nft issue went, the initial c&d letter that wotc sent was ideal
like it's clear, unambiguous, doesn't come in guns blazing, and addresses the misstep
storm jungle
Is there a wiki page covering the room?
Doesn't have one, its a really minor thing in the curze books
just google the "Screaming "Gallery" and read whats on the lexicanum
crisp heath
Do Krieg troppers have personalities like guardsman, or are they just mindles drones. I mean, normal Kriegsman get called by their number π€
crisp heath
@peak hamlet Thanks!
peak hamlet
Like it sure is suppressed but you can only do that to a certain point
barren tapir
They just have suppressed emotions, mostly because they are full of imprinted guilty as emotion
peak hamlet
Loved the parts of vraks where khorne berzerkers drop pod assaulted them and they ran away
This "No FeAr" is some serious bullshit
crisp heath
Interesting ovo
dim totem
"No FeAr, nO SeNSe!"
novel fulcrum
i remember when i was still a kiddo tryna get my 40k jollies off with gmod roleplay, there was a krieg lead that just pissed me off to no end because he insisted that the krieg were just entirely emotionally dead with no regard for their own or other lives
like bitch it's because they feel so strongly that they can make the sacrifices they do
worn fern
Krieger's are human, but they miss a large part of their humanity by having been raised in a death cult in a radiative hell Scape
You can still talk to a Krieger, but there is always something off about them
Leading to many not wanting to interact with them at all
There was a green text a while back about the life of a kreig quartermaster that I need to find as it does an excellent job explaining the mind of one
novel fulcrum
yeh, i'd almost describe it as like, a resolute desperation
storm jungle
novel fulcrum
like they've been so worried about redeeming themselves for long enough that it invades their every thought
worn fern
in a lore channel
doesnt want to read
ngmi
worn fern
this is from 2013 /tg/ this is the era of the 1d4chan stuff
all i will say, is that this piece and excellent job at showing how a quatermaster thinks and how they interact with other regiments
empty current
oh yeah, this is one of the old school story threads, I've seen this reposted before. good shit
The Cold Shoulder Sector is another iconic one
barren tapir
It wasn't bad, some parts were a bit too cringy imo
storm jungle
Yeah thats 4chan for you
novel fulcrum
friendly reminder that the all guardsman party was a /tg/ original
storm jungle
...That sounds familiar
novel fulcrum
barren tapir
The first messages were really well done tbh, then some very bad RP guy wrote dumb stuff, but then the last messages went back to be nearly decent
storm jungle
Wow you described most good 4chan threads perfectly
worn fern
Have you guys read " So i'm a Necron Cryptek ,Time To Take Over The World Of 40K"
its pure fanfic
but a good read and gets Necrons fairly well done
barren tapir
No, i don't go to 4chan
I just read some stuff that manage to go out of it because it is really good stuff
novel fulcrum
cryptek isekai, cool and good
storm jungle
Crypteks are basically the backbone of any tombworld too its great
empty current
damn, I went looking for the cold shoulder sector archive, but since 1d4chan bit it, the only good way to find that entire thread is some shitty text to speech youtube videos
worn fern
Yeah shame that
guess we will have to just watch the vids and pause it to read
can you not find anything on the /tg/ archives?
novel fulcrum
if 1d4chan bit it again, that'd be news to me https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Stercus_Ludicrum
vast frigate
empty current
oh cool
novel fulcrum
there it is, the mech of john exodite
empty current
last I'd heard 1d4chan had gone offline again, guess its back again
snow tundra
Looks comfy
novel fulcrum
i only noticed the one time, it's worked for me ever since it came back up
gaunt vector
vapid tiger
shadow plover
barren tapir
Not so based since he say fascism and then show nazism rallies... But he seems to be using the anglo definition of fascism, which is super wide and not detailed so eh, it could make sense for english speakers
storm jungle
Nah Arbitor Ian is based
it doesnt help that we already have been a massive witness to these kinds of "people" in this server a lot to begin with.
barren tapir
His use of fascism as umbrella term grind my gears, but his other takes are based indeed
Gib more human factions!
barren tapir
Last part of the video is exactly my take on the imperium lol
storm jungle
Yeah the Imperium in short just suffers from the fact that its a tabletop game. You gotta make it look friendly to get people to buy em.
barren tapir
I really hope that someone at GW saw the video, and took notes, because it is full of good takes for the setting... Just need to ignore the wrong use of fascism term depending on the primary language of the watcher of the video
storm jungle
Nah thats not possible
marketing is a hard beast to tackle
its why I get why GW does market the Imperium the way it does but its still pretty funny to see the result at times
barren tapir
Even the mighty can be brought down, if they don't adapt to new times
storm jungle
GW Moment
novel fulcrum
i would say they're already on the decline, but apparently things have never been better for them, so unfortunately, i wouldn't get your hopes up
whatever they're doing, it's getting the numbers
barren tapir
I mean, they went in full control damage mode for far right players that risk to affect the image of the game, and it can be seen an indication that they might do more changes in the future if the pressure increase
storm jungle
whatever they're doing, it's getting the numbers
Pretty much this.
novel fulcrum
record profits in the last 6 month period
barren tapir
Eh, my hopes for a better, improved setting, remain... I still have my headcanon anyway
frosty cobalt
I wonder
vast frigate
probably variants
frosty cobalt
Not really a tau thing, they like their standerizations
frosty cobalt
probably variants
Im more thinking upgrade
Exodite is probably pre 5th sphere at the most
And this is chalanath which is post
Exodite is as early as post 3rd
barren tapir
Yeee
Tau messed up with exodites as retribution for dark eldar raids
But it was very early in their sphere of conquest
frosty cobalt
Tau messed up with exodites as retribution for dark eldar raids
No, the show is them just trying to recover a colony ark
barren tapir
No, the show is them just trying to recover a colony ark
But i remember seeing them fighting some fast enemies, which looked like eldar
barren tapir
Oohh, so might be about the dark eldar raids... Or something entirely new but similar
barren tapir
I mean, i remember that dark eldar actually managed to take some ark of tau civilians
frosty cobalt
The imp fucking things up as per usual
frosty cobalt
I mean, i remember that dark eldar actually managed to take some ark of tau civi...
Yea they stripped a whole colony
First time meeting the deldar
But the show is unrelated to that event
barren tapir
I always laugh hard when i remember that the tau offered the eldar to join them... It show how naive the tau were at the time... Thinking to be the big fish in the tank lol
novel fulcrum
hehe, fish
frosty cobalt
You have MASSIVELY expanded on all fronts, going from cave people to battlesuits in like 4000 years
So u expand a bit, find some other smaller races, get them to join, and then meet the orks
frosty cobalt
hehe, fish
Example A of imperial intelligence
But yea first major race you meet is the orks
barren tapir
Eh, i would have thought i wasn't doing bad, but thinking to be the big fish was a bit too much for me... I would always go with "ok, i'm here now, but it is hardly the case that i'm being the first to be here"
frosty cobalt
Wouldnβt you offer a alliance with a group of very calm very disciplined folks?
frosty cobalt
Eh, i would have thought i wasn't doing bad, but thinking to be the big fish was...
Being the big fish doesnt matter, look at todays world
Being around for a while means jack
Like
barren tapir
Oh for sure, it is not being old, it is being big
frosty cobalt
Yea, so the eldar dont have any land either, so whats your point?
barren tapir
That tau thinking to be the big fish in the tank is hilarious
frosty cobalt
Yea thats the whole point
frosty cobalt
Thats why the tau are the βgood guysβ
barren tapir
They aren't but ok
frosty cobalt
Thats why i put quotes lmao
barren tapir
Eh, missed the meaning
frosty cobalt
They would be horrible in star trek, but are βgoodβ in 40k
barren tapir
Had too many people actually thinking they were actually good
frosty cobalt
Yea and people think the imperium is good
But having the somewhat cleaner faction makes it hilarious when they run into worse shit
worn fern
people will usually always relate to the human faction in any setting and usually see them as "good guys" and much of the lore is seen as the Imperium being heroic and saving the day with honour and grace
but some people forget that saving the day in the Imperium means to keep this unending meatgrider going
storm jungle
Lmao yeah thats my favorite part of the setting
Yay the Imperium saved this planet
Back to dying in factories and choking on smog
storm jungle
π©
worn fern
I just watched that vid and its an interesting take I would say, with how to take it in 10e. What I will say is that I think the guy misses a point of 40k of, the universe hates you and you should hate the universe. There are no good endings, and those good endings are shot lived and just lead to more issues in the future. Every faction is trying to increase its life span, but will do anything to achieve it. Of course I would also love to see more empires rise up against the Imperium and the ramifications for how they justify their existence when the Emperor is required for human empires to exist, leading to many conflicts over how the Imperium is the thing that has the keys to interstellar travel.
Also I am really interested where the idea that the Imperium is fascist came from, since that isnt in how it functions. Or is it just people who see the genocide stuff and think the Imperium is fascist as a result of that?
storm jungle
Also I am really interested where the idea that the Imperium is fascist came fro...
It is fascist though.
like thats the entire point
worn fern
in what way? Socially or economically?
storm jungle
Pretty much in the way that it acts
As much as people say "its an amalgamation of different styles of rulership" fascism is still one of them at its core.
worn fern
because the Imperium isnt structured like a fascist regime, but of theocratic dominion of fiefs
storm jungle
Ehhh that doesnt make any difference.
Its the same as people calling it a feudal oligarchy
snow tundra
storm jungle
James Workshop itself said the Imperium is satire in its latest post
worn fern
well yeah, its satire and its fun to write and work with this horrific regime for a setting
storm jungle
Yeah but its still fascist. Not that I'm saying its a bad thing since its one of the Imperium's core elements but saying it doesn't have that vibe is a bit weird.
worn fern
just its important for writing that we know how the Imperium is organised, I am of the opinion that Imperium is so large and bloated that no one knows how it actually functions
storm jungle
Yes... but again, its still fascist.
the "its rulership style is so complicated" excuse only goes so far
peak hamlet
Oh god another "imperium totally isnt fascist guys!!1!!!"?
Why cant they just choose any other server to appear on
worn fern
fascism is just a term thats so weird, since I despise fascism
but it just gets lumped around
maybe I just see it as too easy to call the Imperium fascist, and I want to try and figure out how it actually functions
What I will say is that the parts of the imperium that fascist in the Sol system and the 500 worlds of ultramar
and the hyper conservatism of the Imperial creed is one of the few things that keeps everyone together
or similar is any sense I should say
becuase outside of Sol, the "Imperium" is more just a series of disconnected empires that pay their tithe to the Sol system and are left on their own
novel fulcrum
Dictators? Check.
Forced suppression of opposition? Check.
Strong regimentation of society? Check.
Asserting a hegemony? Check.
they are most certainly not 'left on their own'
storm jungle
^
Pretty much this
The Imperium isnt literally nazi germany obviously but like they still do half the shit they have done on a galactic basis among other dictator-esque actions
But yeah other political ideas still exist within it
novel fulcrum
when a planet is brought into the fold, they're greeted with an overwhelming show of force via an introductory fleet showing some of the greatest power the imperium has to offer, administratum and munitorum personnel are introduced to begin organizing the planet's affairs for the imperium's serialization, new administratum and munitorum personnel are recruited to sustain the planet itself, a designation is placed upon them depending on the resources they find in their survey to see how best the planet can serve the imperium and changes in priorities are made accordingly, a pdf is raised and guard tithes mandated, and so on
storm jungle
Yeah and from there its milking the planet dry and suppressing the populace into compliance until its a dead husk.
novel fulcrum
like sure, the high lords of terra don't see every single going-on of every single person in the galaxy, but the imperium doesn't leave anyone to their own devices on purpose, their presence is very apparent
storm jungle
Same as how the moment a planet secedes from them they just come in to stamp anyone's throat in with their boots lol
snow tundra
Based takes
novel fulcrum
not to mention the fixation on genetic purity and suppression of undesirable information
eternal ledge
Same as how the **moment** a planet secedes from them they just come in to stamp...
Minor Agri-world has a labor strike not related to Genestealer Cults
worn fern
Perhaps me saying left on their own, was a poor choice of words, as I am aware that the imperium goes in there and makes its changes; most notably to the Creeds of the planet and forces them or coerces them into putting the Emperor at the top of whatever the religion is present. Then once the planet is brought under the imperium's heel, it can act as it pleases under the Imperium's rules
storm jungle
The "can act as it pleases" thing doesnt work when almost 99% of imperial nobility that rules planets are assholes
novel fulcrum
well sure, but saying you can act as you please under someone else's rules is basically a moot point
that's not freedom
storm jungle
^
Like
this is brought up in books too
theres governors that try to do well
but the imperial war machine forces them to be cruel as to get the tithes ready
The Imperium is built from the ground up to be a cartoonishly evil faction, its what makes it so funny/engaging.
same as how the only good people in it are grinded to nothing by the wars it wages across the galaxy
worn fern
Oh yeah, I never said they had freedom. But they can work as they please to get the tithes to the imperium
when the tithe is paid every cycle, then the planet has more wiggle room
and can spend its resources elsewhere
eternal ledge
Also formerly rebelling agri-world now has its Tithes increased 200%
novel fulcrum
sure, but again, when the imperium demands much, and being generous to your laborers gets you little, it's less of a choice and more of an ultimatum: meet the imperium's demands, or be replaced by someone who will
storm jungle
Yeeeep
worn fern
I would also say that is one of the aspects of the Imperium which leads to the social darwinism of creating awful people
novel fulcrum
aye, kind of like dictatorships, how bout that? :^)
storm jungle
Lmfao
novel fulcrum
the best democracies and the worst dictatorships thrive, and between them is a sea of instability
final spruce
Definition of fascism
1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Yes the Imperium is Facist
worn fern
perhaps then what I am getting strung up on is more the full structure of the Imperium, since the Imperium is made of several states that incentivise incredible authoritarianism and fascistic tendency in how they should be run. The part that stops me seeing the Imperium as a whole as facist is how all these states are completely decentralised from each other
final spruce
Read the deifition, facism is not only a form of government, but also the economic, social and societal parts aswell
worn fern
socially I will agree the imperium is fascistic and has many of its tendencies (of course taking into account exclusions)
clever kiln
Why do we over complicate fascism? It's basically "believe/do what I want you to do forever or I'll severely punish you"
worn fern
economically and bureaucratically, the Imperium is too much of a decentralized and bloated mess to be that in my view
well i just like the debate most of the time
clever kiln
Me 2
worn fern
Why do we over complicate fascism? It's basically "believe/do what I want you to...
the actual applications of fascism is actual just so weird, since its just pure auth
its not left or right
worn fern
I see communism and natsoc as fascism, what I dont see as fascism is monarchies and theocracies
worn fern
when I say monarchism and theocracies, I infer Feudalism
prisma lark
I'm pretty sure both of those can also be fascist
clever kiln
All forms of government and political beliefs can be fascist
prisma lark
exactly
storm jungle
Starship Troopers Moment
clever kiln
All factions in 40k are fascist except Tyranids
worn fern
Fascism is such a weird word as the argument that anything auth is fascism
hell we knew that since the 50s
good old Orwell
clever kiln
Walk up to any important figure in any faction and say you don't like said faction and you will not live long
barren tapir
Fascism is used as umbrella term when speaking english
worn fern
Orks are a Liftocracy
storm jungle
and probably Dark Eldar
False
prisma lark
since neither actually have a "unified" government with a clear leader
clever kiln
Hmm
prisma lark
lol
clever kiln
Noice
worn fern
I thought the Deldar structured society by who does the most trolling
storm jungle
Actually i dont even know how their society works
its like mafias ruled by a Lvl.100 Mafia
worn fern
Vect is the biggest shitposter in the galaxy
he once lured a Sector battlefleet near a craftworld just to see the reaction of the Farseer when he saw the fleet
Druhkarhi are a Trollocracy
atomic pelican
Drukhari are actually, completely serious, ancaps
clever kiln
*ork looks through a glass bottle believing that it will make him see farther like binoculars "YUP, IMZ A' FAHSEE'ER"
eternal ledge
worn fern
Drukhari are actually, completely serious, ancaps
Where functional immortality in Commaragh makes the NAP completely meaningless
placid timber
tell me you dont understand political theory and your understanding of 40k lore is just empTTS without telling me you dont understand political theory and your understanding of 40k lore is just empTTS
placid timber
Drukhari are actually, completely serious, ancaps
its funny how accurate this is
vect is like if jeff bezos could have his own little kingdom where he doesnt have to worry about those pesky anti-trust laws or labor laws or basic human rights agreements lol
smoky ferry
how do folks fall on the eldritch omens resolution? || eldar won? ||
placid timber
how do folks fall on the eldritch omens resolution? || eldar won? ||
||considering the autarch came in knowing it was asuicide mission, yea id say they won by foiling the CSM's plans||
smoky ferry
||considering the autarch came in knowing it was asuicide mission, yea id say th...
|| nice to see them get a win despite that, was expecting it to just be establishing a new demon world oppossed to Vigilus ||
errant mauve
how do folks fall on the eldritch omens resolution? || eldar won? ||
I was a fan, even with CSM being my main army
Plus, ||we are one step closer to finding the ultimate jobber faction now||
errant mauve
Soon we will have a detailed jobbing hierarchy
vast frigate
So im reading up on Tau weaponry lore
apparently the field testing of the stormsurge uh
they are ghostbusters
They can combine their firepower by crossing their beams when fired, leading to, possibly, ''Beams as wide as a skyscraper''
vast frigate
yeah no in case of the tau its a good thing
I mean sure when done in clades larger than three it burns out most suits due to feedback but thats a minor issue when you can cut a mountain-sized gargant in half
vast frigate
rose thorn
Is there like, any middle eastern inspired warhammer stuff besides the Tallarn Desert raiders?
errant mauve
Despite their general reputation as being supposedly Samurai inspired
The Mantis Warriors are heavily influenced by Middle Eastern culture, particularly the Hashashin. @rose thorn
rose thorn
oh fr?
errant mauve
Yep
It's a bit more subtle than Tallarn (we don't exactly see Mantis Warriors wearing Tarbush), but there's a wealth of references to the Islamic golden age in their fluff.
As a quick example, pretty much every single named Mantis Warrior has a name related to or abbreviated from Middle Eastern Names/Places.
rose thorn
oh thats neat
empty current
honestly, know what's missing from 40k
things based on american cultures
I think the only thing we've really got is that one guard regiment that's based on the Aztec
We need some guard regiments based on some Louisiana Rednecks, or Appalachian Hillbillies.
Just imagine the terror on the Chaos Cultists' faces when their walking through the hills and trees, and from the forest they hear it...
the twang of a banjo
errant mauve
Dark Angels used to be based off of the Native Americans way back in the 2nd to early 3rd days.
Honestly was pretty dope
empty current
And then like bats out of hell the Appalian Roughnecks charge screaming from the underbrush, bayonets fixed upon their antique las-rifles, as the chaos lord himself is brutally stabbed to death by Colonel Billy-Joe Bodinger using the bayonet that used to belong to his Great Great Great Great Great Grandpappy. All the while you hear that off-key banjo twang.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Ao-iNPPUc
Literally the entire regiment
chrome dragon
https://i.redd.it/pqddgwl6bj571.jpg
God its like you militarised every human culture
I think thats the point
You got everyone
final spruce
Yeah, and there is an older one that is even bigger
dim totem
We need some guard regiments based on some Louisiana Rednecks, or Appalachian Hi...
They had those badly thought iut confederate imperial guards guys
empty current
one man's cringe is another man's treasure.
it's a sci-fi setting taking lose inspiration from historical countries and armies, who gives a shit about historical accuracy.
I care much more about if its cool or not, and if its good a good explanation for it in the lore.
You can only drag so much real world history and detail into something before you hurt it more than help it.
It's better to start by doing some connect the dots with stereotypes until you've constructed an archetype, then hammering that into its own thing.
Creating factions is a refining process.
errant mauve
The Arkhan Confederates were kind of just poorly thought out, which is a surprisingly low bar to stoop past for guard regiments.
dim totem
yh it's like
what other history is there we can pull guards from
some you should just stay away from but you dont
others you just mess up completely
and some sticks
dim totem
The Arkhan Confederates were kind of just poorly thought out, which is a surpris...
great that you know them by name lol
errant mauve
Also, regardless of taste
A cavalry-shock assault-paratrooper regiment with custom power armour and repulsor tech isn't exactly a paragon of contemplation in their creation.
errant mauve
That's the Arkhan Confederates
dim totem
Ah
errant mauve
A cavalry-shock assault-paratrooper regiment with custom power armour and repulsor tech.
dim totem
My thought process was: grey uniforms -> confederates -> ?
errant mauve
To be fair to Peter Fehrvehri (or however you write his last name)
This was very much still in his "amateur bloke writing for Warhammer phase"
So I can't blame him for much.
dim totem
Yeah i get that vibe
errant mauve
He himself admits it
dim totem
Best not to overthink that and just disregard the bad parts
errant mauve
Plus
dim totem
Im p sure his thought process was confederates -> but scifi
errant mauve
If you were given the opportunity
To add whatever you wanted to Warhammer
Would you have the self control to not add something ridiculous?
dim totem
Big question
storm jungle
it's a sci-fi setting taking lose inspiration from historical countries and armi...
Its not about historical accuracy genius
i just dont really wanna see confederates
dim totem
Id probably like want smaller scale stories instead of really adding stuff
Not everything has to be a sector wide galaxy threatening debacle
storm jungle
Warhammer Crime stories tend to cover a lot of stuff like that in general
errant mauve
Vaults of Terra is also pre good for it imo
storm jungle
Yeee
dim totem
I was thinking yesterday i should just bite te bullet and buy the novels second hand paperback on ebay
storm jungle
Alas, in that case my Merchant Ways are out of reach π
dim totem
I dont know how people do it but like
If im reading a pdf i just start watching youtube again
barren tapir
Get a ebook reader, then you cannot go back to youtube
dim totem
i refuse to spend money on anything that isnt
warhammer or videogames
or bills
π
barren tapir
But ebooks are part of warhammer stuff, to read many warhammer novels and books, just in digital way, so to use less paper
barren tapir
Nope, i too need to get one lol
But money need to be spent on more important things for me now
But i can see if i can get some names, it will require a bit of time though
dim totem
But money need to be spent on more important things for me now
Well yeah
Plus i dont know how difficult it would be to get torrents working on an ebook
barren tapir
First answer i got for ebook readers are either kindle or kobo for brands... It also depend on which format of ebooks you aim to read, since kindle need to either use az3 or moby, the first is amazon proprietary format... Since we are talking about warhammer books i doubt they use that, so it might be better to go with kobo in general... Then there are the char of each model to take in consideration, but that is a personal thing imo
peak hamlet
~~Honestly was pretty dope~~
Bring it back gw
Was a lot better than their cringe wannabe knight stuff current day gw went for
dim totem
Was a lot better than their cringe wannabe knight stuff current day gw went for
bobo taking no prisoners
id like it if they didnt do it on the base primaris marines instead of just for select chapters
peak hamlet
Interresting early 40k ship design
vast frigate
Pyramid prow
peak hamlet
Well that didnt last long π
vast frigate
dim totem
Interresting early 40k ship design
it's neat but the like
solid piramid doesnt look right to me
im not a big fan of the current ship design in 40k either tbf
they all look like varying sizes of the same thing
cerulean wagon
dim totem
i need to find more movies with people fighting skeletons in it
dim plume
How to determine the Year Fraction on Terra
Rather than dividing the year into approximately 365 days like we do, the Imperium divides the year into 1000 fractions. So, "549" indicates the 549th part of 1000 parts of the year.
To calculate this, first you need to find on which day of the year your event occurred. Using July 18th of 2005 as an example, you then determine the Julian date, which is the 200th day of 2005. Next we need to split it into hours. We do that by multiplying 200 by 24 then add the hour of the day the event occurred. If the event took place at 4pm (the 16th hour) the formula to find the Determined Hour would be:
200 x 24 + 16 = 4816 Determined Hour
To convert that to an Imperial Fraction, multiply your Determined Hour above by the Makr Constant: 0.11407955.
4816 x 0.11407955 = 549.41. Always round this number down to determine the closest Year Fraction that occurred before the event. So the Year Fraction would be 549.
HOW HELP ME 
cerulean wagon
get administratumed
storm jungle
Ownedβ’οΈ
dim plume
worn fern
Now imagine that has happened multiple times across the galaxy but with different numbers being used and no one telling anyone, and many files never being updated or straight up destroyed because of that
and because everything is analog there is no meta time for it, so its anyone's guess what time system was being used and how many years apart that these records were made
not even taking into account that the date that they had was even right in the first place
final oxide
Guys, can Roboute and Cawl propel human technologies to a new level with enough time?
modernise the military like they did with dat flying Primaris Mario Kart vehicle
plush mason
doubtfull
it will take more than 2 men to revert 10k years of technological regression
final oxide
Hm... Well, one is a Primarch of the most op Marine chapter and another made better Marines that the Big E
some slight improvements... maybe?
plush mason
iirc all he did was continue big e's work
big e is the one that started the primaris project
final spruce
He is yes
final oxide
so with Roboute's authority can he influence the Mechanicus to be less dogmatic?
final spruce
Not really afaik the Mechanicus don't give a damn about Gulliman
plush mason
only cuz big e had a vision of the future and told one of the scientist working on the project with him to continue it but told him as crawl cuz said scientist mind merged with him later down the line
final spruce
Well not as much as the Imperium
plush mason
its a really confussing thing
final oxide
or maybe start his own loyal heretekal Mechanicus
in secret
with Roboute's approval
plush mason
did the fabricator general of mars know about crawl's project?
also crawl doesnt give a shit about the mechanicus
final oxide
lol he can ask his Eldar friends to give them their stealth tech to mask his shenanigans. Or ask Stygies for help
final oxide
also crawl doesnt give a shit about the mechanicus
So he'll have no qualms with making his own toys for the Emperium
plush mason
iirc when ever the higher ups in the mechanicus bitch about his antics he just pulls a skivola and goes error: damn not found and moves on
eternal ledge
He's also said fuck you to the Inquisition several times too
plush mason
yeah
final oxide
They could make like a secret special force that will operate without Ecclesiarchy's and Inquisition's knowledge
with Cawl's toys
plush mason
no need
final oxide
operating directly under Roboute's command
eternal ledge
Well Gulliman doesn't fully trust Cawl either
plush mason
he already is. and was under big e's direct command before that
final oxide
yeah but I think he's better in his eyes than those "God-Emperor" freaks
plush mason
as i said. crawl is a heretek but to well connected to shut down
final oxide
yes
and this is why he needs to make a private force of high tech skitarii and guardsmen
gib
π
monke want high tech human army
plush mason
Well Gulliman doesn't fully trust Cawl either
good. only a fool would trust a robot centipede with like 20 different people in his head at a given time
final oxide
I mean... does he have a choice?
plush mason
nope
final oxide
but to work with him
plush mason
trust isnt needed to work with people
papasmurf cant trust anyone in the imperium
if he could he wouldnt be needed rn
final oxide
Yes. So he'll at least should prepare a stockpile of high tech weapons for normal humans
eternal ledge
Didn't Guiliman also separate the Sisters of Battle from the Eclisarchy
final oxide
so that if shit really hits the fan you can arm the IGs better
eternal ledge
That SoB hero in the mech is a Highlord of Terra
final oxide
Didn't Guiliman also separate the Sisters of Battle from the Eclisarchy
Yes, even I heard something like that
final oxide
and I'm a big lore dumb dumb
storm jungle
hence her chair was empty
eternal ledge
And after Gogi VanDire the eclisarchy was bared from having a highland seat
final oxide
ah
storm jungle
He pretty much boosted her political power in the senatorum
since people were already seeking to manipulate her as well
final oxide
And after Gogi VanDire the eclisarchy was bared from having a highland seat
Was that about the treachery against Roboute and assassins killing everyone who betrayed him without his orders?
something like that
plush mason
wtf is the senatorum?
eternal ledge
Was that about the treachery against Roboute and assassins killing everyone who ...
No that was the Hexarchy
final oxide
The Senatorum Imperialis
Yes, he restored it, right?
storm jungle
so Guilliman purged the bad bunch and replaced them
plush mason
The Senatorum Imperialis
so the mages of tevinter rule the imperium now? typical
novel fulcrum
yeah, the senatorum essentially is the high lords' council, but referring to all of it instead of just the high lords themselves
final oxide
so the mages of tevinter rule the imperium now? typical
wtf
who are those guys?
π
storm jungle
holy shit
plush mason
from dragon age
plush mason
it gets better. they used blood magic to summon demons and take over the world 1000 years ago in DA lore
novel fulcrum
also the full name for the council is extra in the extrama
eternal ledge
Was that about the treachery against Roboute and assassins killing everyone who ...
Gogi Van Dire was responsible for the reign of blood that lead to the creation of the SoB
novel fulcrum
Lords Temporal, Martial and Ecclesiarchical of the Most Divine and Righteous Imperium of Mankind
final oxide
it gets better. they used blood magic to summon demons and take over the world 1...
No kidding
looks very chaosy
plush mason
yup
peak hamlet
Another ship
final oxide
Gogi Van Dire was responsible for the reign of blood that lead to the creation o...
That guy too busy to die?
plush mason
and then 9 of them used those same powers to rip open a portal into heaven and where cast out by the maker and turned into mosters called darkspawn
eternal ledge
That guy too busy to die?
Yep
novel fulcrum
and yeh, first they were the Daughters of the Emperor, then the Brides of the Emperor when vandire made them into his...well, then he got his head cut off and they became the Sororitas
final oxide
Waifus of the Emperor
π³
wait
from daughters to brides
π€
Alabama jokes incoming?
storm jungle
nah
they were vandire's harem girls and bodyguards
they removed that lore in the new edition tho
novel fulcrum
they were daughters when vandire wasn't around, then vandire declared himself the reincarnation of the emperor and made them his brides
storm jungle
Yep
peak hamlet
God warhammer monthly is a goldmine
final oxide
they were daughters when vandire wasn't around, then vandire declared himself th...
Still Alabama
π
with extra reincarnation step
novel fulcrum
he was lying through his teeth, so i guess take that how you will
storm jungle
God warhammer monthly is a goldmine <:lul:825836255853674540>
It cant beat my favorite line
novel fulcrum
God warhammer monthly is a goldmine <:lul:825836255853674540>
absolutely incredible
storm jungle
"Silence you ULTRA-THICK marine"
plush mason
"Silence you ULTRA-THICK marine"
?
storm jungle
So on the warhammer monthly's opening pages
they have a chaos cultist and ultramarine argue
like classic comic book stuff
they keep ridiculing each other
and thats one of the things the cultist says
final oxide
ULTRA-THICC
peak hamlet
Is that still a thing in current lore btw? The knotting beards together and then trying to fight?
storm jungle
I dont think it was ever really retconned
Warhammer fantasy isnt that old to make such a thing
or has just as much complicated lore like 40k
peak hamlet
I dont think it was ever really retconned
Thats good news
plush mason
Is that still a thing in current lore btw? The knotting beards together and then...
when your beards are about as long as you are tall why not?
final oxide
Are they arguing about faith and stuff?
storm jungle
Nah its like
basically 2 pages of comedic insults
its suppose to be like an opening skit
final oxide
lol
novel fulcrum
throwback to when 'straight dick' was a publicly acceptable phrase
storm jungle
before you actually read the contents of the comic
final oxide
throwback to when 'straight dick' was a publicly acceptable phrase
wdym you have people called Dicks
it so weird to me as a Russian
peak hamlet
Example:
final oxide
might as well call your girls Vaginas
peak hamlet
They just have a short thing like that on one of the first pages, its glorious
peak hamlet
Im just browsing them to gather all kal jericho comics
final oxide
btw, do you guys know anyone named Dick?
novel fulcrum
i think it's a turn of phrase meaning like, real talk
i have a grandpa named richard, so yeh
final oxide
do you call him dick?
novel fulcrum
yeh
final oxide
I'm sorry, I don't mean to offend you or him
novel fulcrum
it's what he prefers
final oxide
but as a foreigner I can't help but laugh
novel fulcrum
oh trust me, the historical reason for it is very stupid
novel fulcrum
it basically amounts to:
-Richard can be shortened to Rick
-People back in the day liked giving people rhyming nicknames
-Dick rhymes with Rick
-Dick just happened to stick around
final oxide
π
Dick always sticks around
So yeah, my dream is to see some normal humans/cyborgs with Cawl made heretekal toys
Cawl could offer them as guardians of some Tomb World to get some Necrons toys
and those Necrons are too lazy to wake up themselves
so they hire him
π€ͺ some stupid shit like that
they can even fight some regular Imperial forces that landed on a planet like that
imagine their shock seeing some Dark Age level human armies
cursive hull
I'm not sure but... Given an investigator could be referred to as a "Dick" back in the day, its probably something to do with that in some round about fashion.
Old terms don't make any sense
I blame the early 1900's
scenic bolt
On the other hand
peak hamlet
They can
dim totem
God warhammer monthly is a goldmine <:lul:825836255853674540>
whats warhamme rmontly
peak hamlet
Which one?
odd sparrow
white dwarf is mostly hobby focused
this looks like it's a comic book vibe just in a GW setting
dim totem
ahh, that makes sense
peak hamlet
Yee ratty summed it up perfectly
marsh grail
Have the tyranids ever consumed Ambulls? If not what would happen if they got their DNA?
Hang on wrong name
peak hamlet
The nid dna thingy is one of my least favourite 40k bits, they dont need other species to come up with better stuff on their own
vast frigate
they dont, but why make something new when you can use existing templates that work
its how advancing stuff works after all; easy work first hard work later, even for the nids
peak hamlet
No, they have all their species for different purposes already, an ambull would be useless to them since warriors already fill the role of a melee monster that size. They are even better than an ambull and a lot more flexible by having tons of different biomorphs available for them
final oxide
discount nids
vast frigate
No, they have all their species for different purposes already, an ambull would ...
IF they need NEW stuff
i doubt it considering the nids have been... who fucking knows where
final oxide
i doubt it considering the nids have been... who fucking knows where
I wonder how did the first "pure" Nids looked like right after they entered our Galaxy
some fucking slugs or something
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hm
vast frigate
considering they already consumed so much
remember that they crossed intergalactic space
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What if they started somewhere as a bunch of ants
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I still dream of a separate Grethcin faction that rebelled against their Ork masters
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I still dream of a separate Grethcin faction that rebelled against their Ork mas...
There's a faction like that in Gorkamorka
The Gretchin Revolutionary Committee
Led by Da Red Gobbo
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The Gretchin Revolutionary Committee
I know but they are kind of forgotten
I want them to be their own big faction
like goblins
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40k Gloomspite when
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I support da grot revolution codex
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Imagine a giant Grot only army
with looted/copied IG equipment
If the Greenskin rule of "win more battles = grow bigger" applies to them we can even have some weird mutated Grot Marines
I feel like gretchins are much more smarter and... I dunno, civilized than Orks
they just don't have a chance to show it while being under the Ork rule
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Release red gobbo but this time not christmas themed
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I want them to be their own big faction
sadly since in 40k Gretchins are just 40k orks that aren't grown enough to be bois yet.
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sadly since in 40k Gretchins are just 40k orks that aren't grown enough to be bo...
Are you sure?
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not 100%
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I thought snotlings, grots and orks are their own different things
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I know they've got a very different relationship to the 40k orks than goblins in fantasy
because they're all orkoid fungus
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they CAN grow bigger but not become Orks
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Yeah grots are their own part of the orkoid ecosystem
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but orks can turn into squigs!
God I love the new codex and the squigification spell
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and I think Gretchins are much more cunning and intelligent
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Yeah grots are likely the built in logistics crew for the old krorks
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"you's turnin' into squig"
"BUT I DON'T WANNA BE SQUIG!"
pop
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I think without Orks around they can build at lest human level things
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"you's turnin' into squig"
"BUT I DON'T WANNA BE SQUIG!"
*pop*
Weird boy spell?
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God I love the new codex and the squigification spell
ye
still though if Grots are part of the orkoid ecosystem I don't think they'd ever be part of their own subfaction on a wide scale, they all sorta grow together
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But they totally can! Since they canonicly can rebel
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the only way that the squig-only faction could exist would be if some strain of orkoid fungus got its genetic material damaged
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but boys will still grow though, and though squigs can rebel they can't wholly separate from orks.
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wait a sec
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maybe, but that doesn't seme like a recipe for a major faction
maybe an interesting planet but that's about it
I think the idea of some damaged ork fungus might have some merit though, how it would happen isn't as important, there could be any number of things that could potentially do it
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but boys will still grow though, and though squigs can rebel they can't wholly s...
This is what they will do to Ork oppressors!
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maybe, but that doesn't seme like a recipe for a major faction
They can have a fun mechanic - Red Grot Revolutionary Propaganda
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looks neat, like I said, lore for a planet or a small faction it works neat, give people the option to do it
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They have their own Red Waaaagh
and they spread it through Ork tribes
making Grots rebel against Orks
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same as individual waaaghs or tyranid splinter fleets
It works as a subfaction but not a major one
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plus I think there are more deserving minor factions that deserve full model lines than the grot revolutionaries.