Nah you need to keep up
#40k-lore-chat
storm jungle
😩
sonic hemlock
sadness i wasnt done talking about the emperor
storm jungle
Lmao pretty much
His entire character is pretty much a plot device
and so poorly handled
since hes shared between so many writers
sonic hemlock
he would revive tho
like
wouldnt he
n if the imperium really wanted him alive they could jus get a mass of orks to beleive that the emperor has returned to health
sonic hemlock
orks bend reality with their mind
sonic hemlock
you even seen a purple ork
storm jungle
sonic hemlock
XD
peak hamlet
Thats just overdone by fans, they can only do very very minor stuff
sonic hemlock
they have machines that dont work
peak hamlet
you even seen a purple ork
🥺 🔫
sonic hemlock
and they simply go thats cool lets see it stomp
plush mason
lol
sonic hemlock
n it works
plush mason
didnt orks already invade terra once?
sonic hemlock
imma be real wit u if u have 5 trillion orks that believe the same thing its true
remember the commisar
storm jungle
Its not
sonic hemlock
10 feet tall
sonic hemlock
warhammer is memes
sonic hemlock
dude orks travel through the warp without warp sheilds so they can fight demons
they cant breathe in the warp
explain that
storm jungle
dude orks travel through the warp without warp sheilds so they can fight demons
I don't want a race of green murderous psychopathic aliens to become a comedy skit when in books they burn kids and families alive because they find it funny
sonic hemlock
they burn everyone
storm jungle
It doesnt matter.
sonic hemlock
thats what they were programed to do
storm jungle
You are missing my point lol
sonic hemlock
its like getting mad at a dog cause it like eating
snow tundra
storm jungle
THat...
bruh
Orks take active pleasure in the violence they do
its not a "they dont know better"
snow tundra
its like getting mad at a dog cause it like eating
Alright it's time to stop
storm jungle
This is like justifying a human killing another human because we can invent spears lmao
sonic hemlock
the ancient ones programed these creatures to fight, they go insane if they arent fighting, and the only hierarchy is the biggest ork is boss ork
sonic hemlock
so your imperium isnt
storm jungle
Its not about their nature.
storm jungle
so your imperium isnt
I'm not talking about the Imperium
Just don't justify the actions orks do
snow tundra
storm jungle
<:Alpharisus:910666890530160700>
Same tbh.
sonic hemlock
nothing justifies what tyranids do
storm jungle
sigh
snow tundra
What is happening
snow tundra
storm jungle
sonic hemlock
jus saying humans are worse then orks cause orks will jus be straight up about it while humans have altered motives
snow tundra
Bruh
storm jungle
Dude.
snow tundra
Stop
storm jungle
They rip the fingernails off the human slaves they capture
and fatten them up
so they are tastier to eat
LMAO
sonic hemlock
and drukari feed slaanesh to survive
storm jungle
but hey le funni meme faction
snow tundra
storm jungle
and drukari feed slaanesh to survive
They don't feed Slaanesh.
snow tundra
My understanding is they do fucked up shit to avoid slaneesh right?
They also just enjoy it
storm jungle
Yeah
sonic hemlock
XD the anguish they feel relates too the awakening of slaanesh
the only way they stop feeling anguish if they torure others
snow tundra
Not really sure how it works but I'm sure you can tell me in the dm if you want
sonic hemlock
as they do so they gain a tolerence
sonic hemlock
so they have to be more n more treacherous
storm jungle
Not really
sonic hemlock
yes really
storm jungle
Dark Eldar could have a functional society if they wanted
snow tundra
Dude you're talking to THE Eldar person, she knows everything you're telling her already
storm jungle
Vect just encourages assholish behavior
storm jungle
Dude you're talking to THE Eldar person, she knows everything you're telling her...
❤️
snow tundra
sonic hemlock
ur talking to a no life whos no lifed warhammer till its not fun
storm jungle
But yeah just don't argue eldar lore with me lmao
sonic hemlock
im not but they feeding slaanesh
peak hamlet
Ok idk whats going on but:
ORKS ARE FUCKING EVIL**.**
Other factions being worse doesnt make the orks any less evil
sonic hemlock
evil is objective
storm jungle
Its not
snow tundra
We aren't even arguing who is worse than who, that was never brought up
storm jungle
We are
you are the one saying we dont know lore and insisting on it lol
Evil is evil.
peak hamlet
We aren't even arguing who is worse than who, that was never brought up
Yee but hes using it as an argument to justify the stuff orks do from what ive seen
sonic hemlock
i didnt say u didnt know what your talking about
snow tundra
storm jungle
snow tundra
sonic hemlock
right like the gods of the warp are doing what they do for supremacy
n everyone else is jus tryna survive
like is the tau evil?
no simple answer since the ethereals are so charismatic at one point a civilian is todl to kill herself n she jus does it
peak hamlet
They are the worst of all lmfao
peak hamlet
They eradicate entire populations if one of them saw a demon on the battlefield
sonic hemlock
sometimes u gotta do what u gotta do
sonic hemlock
so does the inquisitors
snow tundra
sonic hemlock
whats the name of that one who went ham
peak hamlet
so does the inquisitors
How does that make it any less evil??
Omw to blow my brains out
This fucking convo
storm jungle
whats the name of that one who went ham
Kryptman, he got kicked out of the inquisition for it
sonic hemlock
a chaos demon is a good indicator that the population is already worshiping chaos somewhere
snow tundra
sonic hemlock
tell that to nurgle
storm jungle
IF the entire planet is lost THEN is the time you do an exterminatus.
peak hamlet
<:Medic:910832713899061289>
Ahaha god dont remind me of medic
storm jungle
And even thats rare.
storm jungle
LMAO
snow tundra
I don't think so man
eternal ledge
plush mason
Ahaha god dont remind me of medic
who is medic?
snow tundra
peak hamlet
who is medic?
Lets not bring up medic
plush mason
k
sonic hemlock
XX
storm jungle
Basically an annoying prick that left because nobody agreed with him on his bad lore takes lmao
peak hamlet
Wannabe lore weirdo with wrong views who ended up getting banned
plush mason
lol
storm jungle
Nah he just left
sonic hemlock
ouchies
peak hamlet
Oh fair
sonic hemlock
well im not really tryna argue i jus like talking to people 🙂
yall like warhammer so u cool af
snow tundra
I'm interested in what these bad takes were
plush mason
i guess this medic person was one of those "im right and everyone else is wrong" kinda pepes
peak hamlet
Yes
cunning wigeon
Yeah and if I remember correctly about some pretty disturbing things too
storm jungle
I'm interested in what these bad takes were
WAIT
I GOT A MEME FOR IT
i made it just for him
snow tundra
👀
plush mason
lol
peak hamlet
YESSSSSSSSSS
storm jungle
these are ALL things he actually said
snow tundra
LMFAO
plush mason
lol
dim totem
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/781260139009015808/860290291683688458/fin...
minor gripe
it's too quick bc i cant read gud
plush mason
kinda sad i missed all that
storm jungle
It was a mess because like
cunning wigeon
He wasn't funny about it unfortunately
plush mason
and not at the same time
snow tundra
Well done, well made meme
cunning wigeon
He was annoying because he was completely incapable of accepting alternate view points
snow tundra
You can pause it tho, that's what I did
cunning wigeon
And spoke like those kids that try too hard in high school debates
cunning wigeon
Yeah exactly
sonic hemlock
that video
cunning wigeon
So they start speaking in a monotone voice and pulling a thesaurus out their arse
sonic hemlock
is so fudging good
plush mason
and i thought i had bad lore takes...
sonic hemlock
lmfao, ayo tho rq yall been working on some projects lately?
im setting up a huge necromunda campaign
cunning wigeon
and i thought i had bad lore takes...
Hey, everyone's head canon is the true secret lore, just don't argue it's legit and people don't mind essentially
snow tundra
I felt your pain with all that editing
snow tundra
I do it all the time
cunning wigeon
Oh sorry
dim totem
oh
snow tundra
I'm pretty sure I have small dyslexia + ADHD so typing is usually an unpleasant and frustrating experience
dim totem
what're we talking about
sonic hemlock
voice chat 🙂
cunning wigeon
lmfao, ayo tho rq yall been working on some projects lately?
Sorry mate, mainly focused on painting my AoS army up atm
dim totem
ah, i'm at work man
snow tundra
Rats?
sonic hemlock
which one!!!!!
snow tundra
Please say rats
cunning wigeon
I'm pretty sure I have small dyslexia + ADHD so typing is usually an unpleasant ...
I'm a perfectionist but make too many mistakes for my liking
sonic hemlock
all good et
snow tundra
I'll accept rats or nighthaunt
cunning wigeon
Please say rats
Unfortunately not, want to collect them but I'm holding out hope for newer models for the basic rats
cunning wigeon
I'll accept rats or nighthaunt
OBR
snow tundra
Acronyms bad
cunning wigeon
Katakros my beloved
snow tundra
Use big word
cunning wigeon
Ossiarchs
snow tundra
Idk what those are
sonic hemlock
i was basically talking about how ion think orks are evil becausethey were programed to fight and its not really their choosing to be cruel too others
peak hamlet
lmfao, ayo tho rq yall been working on some projects lately?
Gonna dump some random projects real quick, check #40k-minis-and-armies
sonic hemlock
yes please
cunning wigeon
Idk what those are
The skeleton people
cunning wigeon
Storm cast
snow tundra
That
cunning wigeon
Nah the Ossiarch bone reapers are what the storm cast were supposed to be
Perfect warriors to fight chaos
And they even make cute little art out of bones
What's not to love
snow tundra
Show pls
sonic hemlock
if the stormcast had a better colour range id play them
snow tundra
I wanna see the cute art
sonic hemlock
ion like priming metalics
snow tundra
You can use whatever color range you want..
cunning wigeon
I wanna see the cute art
Don't have my battletome with me atm sorry
snow tundra
Google?
cunning wigeon
Can try and find it on my phone, one second
snow tundra
cunning wigeon
Sorry man can't find it 😩
snow tundra
sonic hemlock
woof your right but ion have a way to test models and plan paint schemes till my paint is on a test model and at that point its make or break for me
hence my 3000 models that arent painted
cunning wigeon
I think impcat is useful for testing paint schemes
But if you don't have a lot of luck with loading files and stuff probably not the best for you
You also need to have the file for the model
Supposedly there's a huge folder of all the models around the impcat community but haven't been lucky enough to get my hands on it
sonic hemlock
well when you do let me know id love to toy with them
cunning wigeon
Is the Great horned rat just like all the chaos god's in one? They spread plagues, love war and treachery, as well as being the definition of perfection for the skaven
peak hamlet
Nah just a really powerfull demon but still a lot weaker than even 1 of the 4 main ones (iirc)
cunning wigeon
Oh yeah, I meant more is it the embodiment of the chaos god's to the skaven
Obviously not as powerful
dim totem
what do bonereapers do with all the bones they reap?
i always forget theyre not called bonelords
cunning wigeon
what do bonereapers do with all the bones they reap?
Depends, either make more constructs and repair existing ones if they are actively in a battle, otherwise they build roads, cities, art and fortifications with them
sonic hemlock
idk y but this reminds my of tzak the kleptomaniac necron
banned from most necron worlds for stealing everything rare n not nailed down
not that nails stop him
dim totem
Depends, either make more constructs and repair existing ones if they are active...
"take a walk, on the boneroad"
"welcome to bonecity"
sonic hemlock
"welcome to bonecity"
hehe bone city
dim totem
i am very proud of these jokes btw
cunning wigeon
"I call this next piece, bona Lisa"
cunning wigeon
U2
cunning wigeon
i am very proud of these jokes btw
Don't mock Nagash, you'll end up in the great oublette
With everyone else who made a bone joke
It's quite full
cunning wigeon
More of a giant cage but pretty much
dim totem
yeah that one was stretching it
dim totem
it's over
cunning wigeon
yeah that one was stretching it
Oh god is that part of the joke too?
cunning wigeon
Is that a bone in your pocket or are you happy to see me
storm jungle
Lmao
dim totem
make of it what you will
fuck
now i just want to quit 40k restart with aos, build a bonereaper army, actually start playing the tbt and just make bone jokes all the time
dim totem
orrrr
build that chaos cultist army i always wanted but instead of tzeentch worshippers theyre all khornites who didnt get the message quite right
peak hamlet
Chad
cunning wigeon
build that chaos cultist army i always wanted but instead of tzeentch worshipper...
There a shit ton of cults in AoS too, anyone that is in warcry had ruled for AoS
dim totem
i appreciate that about AoS, but it's no 100% my vibe
cunning wigeon
<:x_BoneZone:672480612870782985>
Id recognise that crotch anywhere, good ol' Katakros
dim totem
nice
cunning wigeon
i appreciate that about AoS, but it's no 100% my vibe
Fantasy aspect or because it's more casual than 40k?
dim totem
the focus on high fantasy
which you could argue is also in 40k and the old world i guess but it's just a personal gripe
cunning wigeon
Nah I get it, not everyone digs that part of it
dim totem
maybe one day, rn i dont want to spend money on two types of expensive plastic crack
ill wait and see how the old world turns out and if that's nothing i might get into aos
cunning wigeon
The only thing that annoys me about it is when people try to act that AoS isn't like proper Warhammer because it isn't "grimdark enough", as if that's what made 40K good in the first place
cunning wigeon
ill wait and see how the old world turns out and if that's nothing i might get i...
Fingers crossed for Cathay being cool
dim totem
im looking forward to seeing modernized bretonnia
or heck i'd be happy to get my hands on old bretonnia
cunning wigeon
I can imagine how good a green knight model would look
If it's anything compared to the quality of AoS models I'd be happy
dim totem
i wouldnt be surprized if they like
here we're reprinting all the old shit, here's an updated codex, have fun
that's all the content you get for the next three years
cunning wigeon
I'm fairly new to the hobby but I'd hope gw isn't that bad... Right?
dim totem
people are passionate so everyone likes to comment on every misstep, that's true
but there's not much good to say about this weeks pricehike
cunning wigeon
Yeah true
dim totem
and the handling of some things
cunning wigeon
At the very least they gave a warning ahead of time
dim totem
if you'd ask around people probably think the only good thing gw did the past two years was the warhammer is for everyone post and uh
eldar corsairs
dim totem
which is fair
atomic pelican
Most ppl who complain like that dont actually play the game
So wont see improvements
cunning wigeon
Yeah exactly
atomic pelican
Rather just get caught up in the memestorm
Also uh, I actually dont rlly care too much abt the price increase since its so marginal imo
dim totem
yeah same
contrary to popular belief i dont think most people spends hundreds a year on this
cunning wigeon
Tbf not judging as I've already said I'm still a bit of a newbie but it seems most of the Warhammer community is simultaneously arguing over why their favourite Warhammer game is better, shitting on each others factions, and just spamming the same memes on repeat
atomic pelican
That would be most of it
cunning wigeon
Oh
dim totem
Tbf not judging as I've already said I'm still a bit of a newbie but it seems mo...
i never
cunning wigeon
Was about to say but I'm probably wrong
dim totem
/s
atomic pelican
No ur right
cunning wigeon
Oof
dim totem
that's pretty much it yeah
cunning wigeon
It just comes across as extremely abrasive to outsiders
atomic pelican
Its because large amount of WH fans are terminally online Gamers who get weird
dim totem
if only they could monetize those old memes we keep posting
as... some kind of thing...
that is not... fungible
cunning wigeon
Like I have nerd friends who don't want anything to do with Warhammer because even they recognise it's essentially the worst kind of nerd fandom
atomic pelican
When you play IRL it tends to get better because ppl irl usually have some level of social modicum to be there
But online memers are the worst
dim totem
the FLGS discord is fairly normal compared to this place
cunning wigeon
But the constant regurgitation is a bit too much
cunning wigeon
the FLGS discord is fairly normal compared to this place
Acronym?
dim totem
your generic friendly local games store
final spruce
When you play IRL it tends to get better because ppl irl usually have some level...
It's the same for most fandoms that require some social interactions, Dnd comes to mind
atomic pelican
Yeee exactly
cerulean wagon
large part of the warhammer community are online members who only vaguelly know the setting via the memes, and are just not great to interact with
cunning wigeon
This and the bone reaper discord are the only ones I'm even remotely "active" on because the really big ones tend to be far too abrasive
Even the vermintide one is a bit too much
atomic pelican
Big ones are barely moderated/or/actively ran by smoothbrains
dim totem
Even the vermintide one is a bit too much
yeah
final spruce
Even the vermintide one is a bit too much
After seeing the phenomenons that came here from the VT discord, I'd agree lmao
dim totem
i sometimes go and look at the vt discord when im bored
and then realize why i dont go there
cunning wigeon
large part of the warhammer community are online members who only vaguelly know ...
"40k is the best because they fast travel through hell" "orks can think something and it happens so purple orks are invisible" "commisars execute people just because" "the black crusades suck because they are led by Abaddon" "10 space marines are all it would take to conquer earth with our current technology" shit is honestly the worst and I don't blame people for wanting nothing to do with the setting because of them
cunning wigeon
When I see them show up here it is honestly painful
And they are frighteningly common
Even my mate who only likes meme lore for fantasy finds it too much
It's almost emberassing that they are blind to the cringe it causes
peak hamlet
Yee i cant stand those either, half of them are wehraboos too 😩 🔫
atomic pelican
Its my favorite part abt AoS that you cant rlly get into its lore just via memes so that community doesnt rlly have this issue LMAO
plush mason
so the logic engines are just smart machine spirits right?
cunning wigeon
Its my favorite part abt AoS that you cant rlly get into its lore just via memes...
The only well known meme lore I can think of for fantasy was grimgor kicking archaon in the balls
Can't think of any for AoS
atomic pelican
WHF is not excluded from the memelore curse
Esp when ppl forget that never actually happened in canon 
cunning wigeon
Yee i cant stand those either, half of them are wehraboos too 😩 🔫
God I hate that you're right
cunning wigeon
Esp when ppl forget that never actually happened in canon <:sad:4012094703586508...
Yup exactly my point
atomic pelican
Archaon fucking murked Grimgit with the Slayer of Kings
Nearly bisected him iirc
Thru the shoulder
Ppl meme on Archaon but hes genuinely probably the best Chaos character across settings
plush mason
the best WHF meme i know of is the virgin abaddon vs chad archaon one lol
peak hamlet
I dont know shit about warhammer fantasy lore besides the empire looks sick af 👌
atomic pelican
His book just makes him a doomslayer gigachad
cunning wigeon
Ppl meme on Archaon but hes genuinely probably the best Chaos character across s...
Doesn't he have actual growth from Sigmarite priest to his fall to chaos to rise as champion too?
atomic pelican
Katakros and Archaon, two kings fighting
cunning wigeon
I love Katakros
atomic pelican
Doesn't he have actual growth from Sigmarite priest to his fall to chaos to rise...
Yes, he fights against the prophecy and falls into apathy because of it
Since he was one of the apostles of sigmar
Then thrown out because of stupid shit, being Norscan blooded
And the prophecy
Which just.. Made him become Everchosen even faster
FBDB
Its real Neat
dim totem
I love Katakros
well yeah you recognize his crotch
crisp heath
Great first thing to see in lore chat
cunning wigeon
Its real Neat
Actual character growth in Warhammer? Impossible
cunning wigeon
well yeah you recognize his crotch
Okay yeah I can't think of a valid argument
dim totem
atomic pelican
I just like Archaon alot because, ESPECIALLY in AoS, the Dark Gods simp for him
Also Dorghar is a horse that ate greater daemons and became what he is today
plush mason
archaon is everything abaddon wants to be but cant
atomic pelican
The chaos gods fighting over Archaon's tier4 sub
And yeah p much
To Abaddon's defense, its because 40k's writers are cowards compared to AoS' ever shifting plot
plush mason
yeah
atomic pelican
Archaon is allowed to win big in aos
plush mason
that was the "cant" part
atomic pelican
Yee
cunning wigeon
Also Dorghar is a horse that ate greater daemons and became what he is today
Question, did it ever eat a keeper of secrets
Because I can see all the greater demons there but that one
atomic pelican
Question, did it ever eat a keeper of secrets
No, because Slaanesh was not present at the time and still sort isnt
Slaanesh is still in gay baby jail between the elves
cunning wigeon
I am curious as to how many factions know about the idoneths existence seeing their whole memory wipe shtick
atomic pelican
Recently theyve come more open, with one Idoneth enclave even sending out diplomats
They were mostly just completely hidden during the age of myth and chaos
Nagash is now fully aware of them because of rats in the sea of undeath, for example
cunning wigeon
Yeah, Nagash, the sylvaneth and the skaven know of them
Nagash is exceptionally pissed because you know...all souls are mine blah blah blah
plush mason
who are the idoneth?
atomic pelican
The different enclaves are really cool because their entire cultures developed based on the place of the ocean they settled in
The sea elves of AoS
plush mason
oh
cunning wigeon
Barely elves at this point
atomic pelican
For example, theres a reef settling Enclave which is especially skilled at making corral constructs
atomic pelican
Barely elves at this point
You'd be surprised! Their culture is alot like old Helf stuff in many ways
cunning wigeon
The different enclaves are really cool because their entire cultures developed b...
Yeah and they have barely any knowledge of each other right? Don't even know where they live
atomic pelican
Oh they know of eachother. Even trade and such
Enclaves have entire cities under the ocean
Some are more isolationist than others tho
Like the abyssal ones
cunning wigeon
You'd be surprised! Their culture is alot like old Helf stuff in many ways
I know that they are still as skilled and stuff, just they don't even outlive a human anymore if born Namarti and without souls even the akhelians perish quickly
atomic pelican
Yeee, they have found ways to stemmy that tho(raiding) and the Akhelians have souls
cunning wigeon
I love that the shyish ones are specialised in terror tactics
atomic pelican
The Akhelians are like... 5% of the IDK population Iirc
cunning wigeon
Yeee, they have found ways to stemmy that tho(raiding) and the Akhelians have so...
Yeah but don't they need other souls for nourishment
atomic pelican
And they are born healthy souled
The Namarti do, and the Akhelians may give birth to a Namarti so they work for themselves as well as their society
They do need souls to reproduce iirc, regardless
cunning wigeon
Yeah, isn't it if namarti young aren't given souls they die
cunning wigeon
But i swear even the akhelians and isharann aren't perfect right?
atomic pelican
The Idoneth are one of my favorite fluff factions in AoS. Theyre under duress and even take pity on those they have to raid
atomic pelican
But i swear even the akhelians and isharann aren't perfect right?
Might be right! I know theres a caste of IDK who are fine, but I cant check codex rn Fhdb
atomic pelican
The Idoneth are one of my favorite fluff factions in AoS. Theyre under duress an...
Well, sometimes*
Obvs they dont care abt soul raiding chaos mooks
cunning wigeon
Might be right! I know theres a caste of IDK who are fine, but I cant check code...
Isn't it the Ghyran ones that are fine because of life magic
cunning wigeon
The Idoneth are one of my favorite fluff factions in AoS. Theyre under duress an...
Yeah isn't that why they try to make their raids last as little as possible and to spare anyone who doesn't need to die
atomic pelican
Yeeee
They also, when taking souls, usually dont like
Brutally rip them out
They just take the soul and the victim dies of a peaceful coma
cunning wigeon
I love the fluff of them talking with the sylvaneth after a battle
And they realise they are pretty much the same with their attitude to their dead
And how they quickly harvest the soul but where the sylvaneth then honour the corpse the idoneth don't have time for it
cunning wigeon
Love their lore but cav spam isn't my idea of a fun army to play
cunning wigeon
Volturnos is also both a cool character and model
Didn't he escape an ambush by a keeper of secrets with only losing his eye?
atomic pelican
Yee I can feel that, though it seems like theyre getting more options like namarti hordes + revival
cunning wigeon
Badass
cunning wigeon
Yee I can feel that, though it seems like theyre getting more options like namar...
That's what I'm hoping for, more namarti or foot akhelians
atomic pelican
And the cool ass leviathans
Imo I'm okay with them keeping their cav focus, its just their kinda theme boardwise
Their uh, entire army abilitt is built around it
cunning wigeon
I also love the lore with the eidolon
cunning wigeon
Where if it gets summoned you're fucked
Everyone you just killed is coming back for another hiyah
cunning wigeon
Such a gorgeous model too
Yeah, I prefer the storm one because I feel like it should be kinda faceless
final oxide
@cloud kindle I really wanna know some funny details about his interactions with the Inquisition and Ecclesiarchy
did something new happened recently in their relationships?
Does he have a plan against them?
cloud kindle
pretty sure he has shelfed that in shit he will deal with later pile
potent swift
You know, I never realized how chonky stealth suits actually are
storm jungle
That has to be artistic misinterpretation i think
because the official height chart GW made doesnt even match
potent swift
Since when has hard numbers in 40k ever matched?
Regardless, part of me enjoys how they straight up stopped pretending tau mech suits aren't gundams
odd sparrow
Ooh is that from the new codex?
atomic pelican
Lov earth caste
potent swift
Ooh is that from the new codex?
Yea, it's pretty neat. Love seeing the logi side of 40k
odd sparrow
I approve, and same
I'm a massive Tau fan so seeing what's going on behind the scenes for them is really cool
rather than just more battle shots usually of them being brutally killed
Also loving the more grungy industrial aesthetic to tau tech
potent swift
I was neutral on them for a long time but they've been growing on me recently.
And yea, love me some wear and tear
odd sparrow
nods
odd sparrow
That has to be artistic misinterpretation i think
Stealthsuits def aren't that tall, but honestly I really like it
makes more sense than them being only slightly bulkier
upbeat arch
Yall think Guilliman is gonna be betrayed the council of terra?
When the emps comes back
He get stabbed in the back by someone he trusts
And hes all like “et tu?”
errant mauve
That seems like a long time in the future
So I don't worry about it
Also do you mean the council of the highlords
The council of Terra hasn't existed since m31
upbeat arch
Aint that far off…………
proper helm
Hasn't he already purged the High Lords of opposition at least once?
proper helm
Did he pick them for competence first, or loyalty first?
vast frigate
Turns out galvanic munitions have a secondary effect
next to stupid impact power
They trigger corrosion rapidly
barren tapir
It could make sense, but further research is needed to have a verdict
vast frigate
we must go
dim totem
You know, I never realized how chonky stealth suits actually are
did not know stealth suits open up like the doors on a fancy sports car
plush mason
it deadass looks like hussar wings
vast frigate
frosty cobalt
because the official height chart GW made doesnt even match <:lul:82583625585367...
Was talking to someone bout this, those engis are earth caste, which is why it looks so big
atomic pelican
Short kings
frosty cobalt
Compare it with the pilot, and it works
frosty cobalt
Yeap
frosty cobalt
But i can pull an ace combat style 20g turn
atomic pelican
And then u got the slenderman lookin mfers
Making fun of the air caste mfers until they dunk on you 30-8 in low grav ball
frosty cobalt
Making fun of the air caste mfers until they dunk on you 30-8 in low grav ball
Thats how it do be 😩🙏
Theres apparently a colony with some earth/air relationships, and the ethereals do not like that
frosty cobalt
They want the castes to be isolated
No, just not mixed
Inter caste relationships are fine, just no romance/children
vast frigate
Yeah i meant romance wise
frosty cobalt
Yea its like
Are builder drones earth, whilst gun and others are fire?
Are they separate drone nets?
vast frigate
Yeah i suppose?
frosty cobalt
Can different nets interact or do the ethereals not like that
vast frigate
Say if someone has to be caught, a nearby domestic drone can release its grabbera to snag up a clamp or taser i guess to grab a perp
Nothing stops the ai from having the precoded knowledge
Considering the tau i doubt they wouldnt have it work
frosty cobalt
The thing is that drone nets get funky when they have completely different objectives, so it usually spilts
vast frigate
Aye
frosty cobalt
So i assume its got differing caste nets
But yea an mv1 can switch out gear but not on the fly
Needs a bay to dock in
vast frigate
Yeah
frosty cobalt
Drones are fun to think about, they are considered their own species
So putting the rules of the commonwealth on them is fun
frosty cobalt
What lil that gives them haha
I just wanna see more interaction between drone nets and tau
Cause a single drone is comparable to a really good chatbot nowadays
frosty cobalt
Hey BL writers gimme a story about an earth caste techie who gets told all the secrets by an old drone net who doesnt know better
odd sparrow
For me the idea of experiencing an online landscape as your primary means of societal interaction is a really interesting vibe, I should explore it with drones sometime
frosty cobalt
For me the idea of experiencing an online landscape as your primary means of soc...
Especially for the brain scanned ones
Like
Ur some old fire warrior, u get the “honor” of living forever as an AI, but its not you cause you died and you know this
But ur still here, unable to feel the things you have memory of, all the while being connected to something that now knows you inside and out, but is still unnatural
Its such a cool thing to explore im mad they dont do it more
odd sparrow
nods
The whole tau sphere is a golden opportunity for exploring more conventional sci fi topics, they should honestly focus on that as much as they do on the battles
frosty cobalt
Yea, i wanna see more edge of empire stuff, where its mostly other xenos and non-ethereal tau
Also seeing humans that have grown up around xenos and are friendly with them
frosty cobalt
There is a book about a similar thing
Tau stuff?
barren tapir
Yes
frosty cobalt
Whats it called? Sounds familiar
barren tapir
Voice of experience
vapid tiger
Isn't that the good one that flies in the face of the dumb "ethereals are mind controlling the tau!" fluff
i heard a tau openly disagrees with an ethereal or somesuch
Though tau fans i've talked to say that the mind control thing is mainly a phil kelly thing nowadays that can be ignored
Since the xenology book's theory on it was in-universe speculation
proper helm
I like to imagine it as the Imperium's cope for how the Tau are doing so well
odd sparrow
Yee, that's the best way to interpret it. It's bad fluff cus it throws literally all of the interesting commentary on collectivist ethics u get with the tau in favour of evil ethereals mind control lmao
sonic hemlock
Isn't that the good one that flies in the face of the dumb "ethereals are mind c...
the ethereals are jus like super charismatic, so what your refering to when a tau civilian kills herself after the floaty boy jus says to is like keanu reaves telling fangirls too wave, ya know
tau dont have alot of psychers or any really for that matter not from what ive seen
vapid tiger
Man
odd tulip
frosty cobalt
Doggos having fun 🥺
odd sparrow
good bois
keen nova
Hey lads, I've got some questions. So I really like the imperial guard-lore I don't do table top. I while I think they are pretty badass, could it not be argued that the tau are virtually better than them in every? I mean, I thought they would make great rivals but from what I've seen its very one sided
snow tundra
@odd sparrow
odd sparrow
The Tau have ostensibly better technology & more developed tactics for minimising losses, so tau vs IG on equal footing yeah tau prolly win, but they're also MASSIVELY outmatched in resources on a larger scale
atomic pelican
Per soldier yes typically, but you must remember that the guard comes in swarms
Yee
A hammerhead will kill 4 times over its number of Russes, but the guard will field many more russes than the tau can Hammerheads
odd sparrow
Which is why they have to play it safe with slowly subsuming planetary political systems & big quick lightning strikes, they can't afford to get into constant slugging matches with the imperium
And also minimising losses, they legit can't afford to win phyrric victories
plucky moth
They have to keep on their taus
keen nova
Ehhhhhh, the numbers thing seems really like a misnomer. I'd count that as a straight L for my guard boys.
snow tundra
?
odd sparrow
The way I see most tau vs imperium engagements going is either
A) If this planet has been annexed by the Tau via normal means of manipulation, a good number of population centres & military bodies will already be on the tau side. Tau roll in v fast during the confusion to establish control of major areas, nobody really knows what they're meant to do, fights are short & decisive, any radicals who still want to fight afterwards will be doing it on the peripheries.
B) If the tau have gotten stuck in a proper land war vs an organized imperial planet, you get a long & frustrating kitefest of outnumbered tau withdrawing away advancing imperial formations, stretching & cutting supply lines, wearing them down with Kauyon ambushes & further withdrawals, eventually shattering formations with big mont'ka pushes. If the tau can beat down the IG hard enough that they can actually fight them head on, they can prolly win the planet, if the tau are meeting more capable resistance than they thought or otherwise are just getting worn down faster than the imperium is bringing in reinforcements, they lose & try to withdraw off planet
odd sparrow
Ehhhhhh, the numbers thing seems really like a misnomer. I'd count that as a str...
yee, guard are always kinda stuck being the cannon fodder faction against most others except like. orks, chaos and genestealer cultists, and very occasionally nids they fight on sorta even ground
But in fluff tau are p much experts at dicking with IG
errant mauve
Ehhhhhh, the numbers thing seems really like a misnomer. I'd count that as a str...
Guard is one of the "logistics win" factions unfortunately
The Iron Warriors of the 40k setting overall 
novel fulcrum
the tau's greatest blessing is the fact that the imperium has so many other enemies to fight all the time
errant mauve
I also wouldn't really be worried about like
Tau stuff being better than IG stuff in certain areas
since they're such different factions
novel fulcrum
not that i would say the tau are absolutely outclassed, just that the imperium is more willing to leave them be compared to, say, a hivefleet
keen nova
yee, guard are always kinda stuck being the cannon fodder faction against most o...
Well it is what it is.
Thanks Ratty
novel fulcrum
and also the fact that the tau know what a ceasefire is
errant mauve
Also T'au lore is sort of limited at best in terms of all the writing it has
and considering its most prominent stuff is about like
odd sparrow
the tau's greatest blessing is the fact that the imperium has so many other enem...
yee, that + tau bureaucracy and logistics are way more efficient. On a galactic scale they think faster, and they don't have to worry with constant incursions in their fuckoff giant territory full of xenos and separatist enclaves
odd sparrow
Yeah, v much so
we kinda rarely see the tau where they fucked up and are on the back foot
errant mauve
but like, one point that Guard 100% has on T'au imo is just variation of warfare + wargear
odd sparrow
whereas that's like,, 80% of all IG writing
novel fulcrum
right, the tau seemingly treat their people a helluva lot better when they're reasonable people (i.e. willing to work with them) so one can imagine humans living in tau space willingly will fight tooth and nail for them
errant mauve
When Tau ran into DG on the 4th(5th?) sphere of expansion
they got dicked because it was an unfamiliar foe
odd sparrow
right, the tau seemingly treat their people a helluva lot better when they're re...
Yeah! Broken Sword is a short story that goes very nicely into that
errant mauve
But guard have doctrines pretty much suited for every faction in da setting
odd sparrow
Tau build up bases of loyalty over decades or even centuries in alien populations
errant mauve
because you know the whole bulwark of the imperium and all that
odd sparrow
Stuff like former IGers being absolutely astounded by how much better a devilfish is than a chimera
novel fulcrum
the guard is full of books that will lie to recruits and vets that will tell it to them straight
odd sparrow
wow im moving as fast as a chimera WITHOUT my spine being bludgeoned
keen nova
But guard have doctrines pretty much suited for every faction in da setting
What regiment would be better for fighting them?
odd sparrow
But guard have doctrines pretty much suited for every faction in da setting
nods I'd love to see writing for how IG actually combat tau
novel fulcrum
and the vets are only there because they figured out something that works or knew someone that knew themselves
errant mauve
Best regiment for fighting tau eh?
odd sparrow
cus rn there honestly isn't much
usually it's written like the tau are running circles around the IG, and they only get troubles from marines or whatever
keen nova
usually it's written like the tau are running circles around the IG, and they on...
exactly! kinda sucks man
novel fulcrum
it would be an interesting consideration, since tau are very rarely aggressivley expanding
so they're usually playing defense, to their advantage
errant mauve
What regiment would be better for fighting them?
I'd wager of the main regiments, Steel Legion or the Elysians would give the tau a real run for their money
odd sparrow
Yeah. Like, imperial regiments around the galactic southeast will have been fighting the tau in some form for a long ass time by now
they should've figured some stuff out
errant mauve
ofc if this is for a tabletop army I'd recommend homebrewing an army that specializes fighting tau
novel fulcrum
elysians/harakoni would definitely keep them on their toes with some rapid relocation
keen nova
Best regiment for fighting tau eh?
I heard somewhere that the voystrans can match their range because of how accurate their lasguns are.
odd sparrow
Any IG reg that goes really well into tau would be well organized enough to be able to recognize T'au ploys and draw away from them, and mobile enough to play their own imo
novel fulcrum
gotta love those heirloom weapons
errant mauve
That's also a ggood point
novel fulcrum
love me some mechanicus-aligned guard
keen nova
elysians/harakoni would definitely keep them on their toes with some rapid reloc...
Taros 😔
errant mauve
If I had to go into specifics
I'd separate like
the best regiments against fighting tau into like
"ones with advantage on offensives" and "ones with advantage on the defensive"
keen nova
If I had to go into specifics
GO ON GENERAL
odd sparrow
imo the range of lasguns shouldn't matter that much, cus Tau don't really just form actual giant firing lines and gat the enemy down in fluff. They won't wanna give you a chance to show off ur fancy long range guns, they'll disappear and fight you sneaky like in enclosed spaces
I remember it's uh. Fire caste, the book with the cringy confederate IGers, was the one which had fire warriors & gue'vesa straight up just hiding under rocks and in bushes on a jungle planet fighting a war with drones lol
novel fulcrum
tau are solid guerilla fighters from what i understand, ye
novel fulcrum
and since they usually play defense, they have plenty of chances to entrench themselves
odd sparrow
Yee
keen nova
imo the range of lasguns shouldn't matter that much, cus Tau don't really just f...
On taros at least, IG never even really got in range....
sorry, spoilers
odd sparrow
I've never read taros, but tbh guard will always be able to levy a lot of firepower down long ranges
it's the artillery faction, ofc they can
Tau aren't not getting hit cus their guns are just that long range, they're not getting hit cus they stay away from the enemies big guns, are v careful with intel and be sneaky about it
novel fulcrum
i think honestly, the tau would probably be relatively similar to a modern military in terms of what you should do against them, them being irregular forces using squad and even fireteam tactics
shock and awe is probably your best bet, break their morale
odd sparrow
Yee they're p much the only faction that resembles an irl military, so long as they're in control of the situation they're not gonna let you win many casualties. They have strong intel, enough drones to fight a guerilla war without even showing themselves, and are very well organized
novel fulcrum
bombard them from orbit, sic the superhumans on them, waste a fuckload of resources like only the imperium knows how
odd sparrow
But if you can put them on the backfoot, you almost certainly outnumber them massively
Exceptions obvs made for factions that they aren't familiar with fighting, like DT
novel fulcrum
because like how the tau understand ceasefires, surrenders and the like, that also makes them potential casualties of surrender and routing themselves
odd sparrow
Everyone understands both of those
keen nova
Yee they're p much the only faction that resembles an irl military, so long as t...
I've been told that the Guard/imperium was really dumb on taros, but most people could only mention that with space marines and not what the guard could have done differently. also you were right, fire and fade is a favorite tactic of theirs.
novel fulcrum
advised against obviously, since tau military operations are often when shit has hit the fan, but still possible
i'm not so sure the likes of the tyranids or chaos so much subscribe to the idea of surrender as much as they do to immediate self-preservation
errant mauve
*GO ON GENERAL*
I'd argue that, on the offensive, regiments that specialize in mobile operations like drop troops or mechanized infantry - that can hit hard and fast to make a solid breach in T'au positions and establish a supported breachhead (I think thats the word in English?). I think its important to remember that when fighting forces, regiments often come in multiples or work together, so on an offensive having a decisive mobile force that hit hard and fast would be important, as it gets the rest of their support in their element (protracted, pitched warfare)
So on the offensive regiments like Harakoni, Elysians, Vostroyans, Tallarn, etc would be good imo
On the defensive, it's a bit tougher, but I'd wager that regiments capable of keeping up real hard in armoured warfare is probably your best bet. You'll be in the red in terms of casualties in one way or another, and the important part is that you need to be disrupt the Tau's own armoured and mechanized movements, which usually means that famous tank regiments or more esoteric fellas (like say, Indigan Praefects who take pride in squad tactics in taking out large units) would be the best for maintaining the Guard's own advantages on the defensive.
So regiments like the Steel Legion, Tallarn Desert Raiders, or even rough rider regiments like the Atillans would probably be good against Tau.
odd sparrow
i'm not so sure the likes of the tyranids or chaos so much subscribe to the idea...
This does kinda depend a lot on author but IG isn't so heavily indoctrinated to reject surrender to reasonable opponents, like tau or insurgents. And regular none chaosy insurgents should be a LOT more common in the setting than indicated by novels, just not written about cus they're not v interesting
Tau and IG are basically the only matchup in which people get to be reasonable lol
errant mauve
The Tau fight in a very conventional form of warfare at the end of the day, sticking mainly to general doctrines and strategies, so Regiments generally viewed as generalists like Cadians wouldn't be very good at taking them head on. But the advantage the Guard have demonstrably against the Tau is the sheer variety of regiment, strategy, and wargear they have access to.
novel fulcrum
right, which is why i said chaos and not traitors
if traitor marines potentially get penitent crusades, i'd be surprised if traitor guard didn't as well
errant mauve
So as a general theme you'll always see a better result from regiments that specialize somewhat heavily in a form of warfare, as it'll throw off plans and force the Tau to think of their feet, meaning they can't leverage their advantages as well.
keen nova
The Tau fight in a very conventional form of warfare at the end of the day, stic...
Cadians are all rounders yeah?
errant mauve
That's my personal opinion, at least
odd sparrow
The Tau fight in a very conventional form of warfare at the end of the day, stic...
This rings a bell actually
errant mauve
Cadians are all rounders yeah?
That's their general reputation, they are the posterboys after all
novel fulcrum
if you look at cadia itself, i would say cadia probably excels at holding ground
odd sparrow
In any case, yeah that's a very good point. The Tau formulate their strategies off a massive wiki on all of the commonwealths' enemies, p sure it was set up by farsight but i forget
When the wiki isn't accurate or otherwise isn't helpful, tau won't know what to do. So one trick pony super regular IG regs will get documented and have like entire tau online forums dedicated to discussing how best to turn them to ash, super irregular & intuitive regs defy that categorisation
Any depiction of Kroot vs Catachans that doesn't turn it into predator is a wasted opportunity imo
keen nova
That's their general reputation, they *are* the posterboys after all
I remember one fellow saying Cadia was "the pinnacle of guard wank" but he never said why or how. I do like them but the only success I know them (beating back 12 black crusades) for has been retconned no?
odd sparrow
Nah that holds, the reason why he disliked them was prolly cus of guard fanboys turning CADIA STANDS into an annoying catchphrase
keen nova
Nah that holds, the reason why he disliked them was prolly cus of guard fanboys ...
Speesh marines hate how little it takes guard fans to be happy smh
scenic bolt
space marine fans have a hair trigger
novel fulcrum
they mostly just retconned those 12 black crusades being failures, because abaddon was always actually doing something different away from the cadian front that always succeeded
errant mauve
I remember one fellow saying Cadia was "the pinnacle of guard wank" but he never...
The pinnacle of guard wank are the Tanith anyways
novel fulcrum
cadia still repelled all 12 of them, but they're now* considered successes because the battles on cadia were just a distraction, apparently
odd sparrow
Yee it was originally just Abaddon flinging himself at cadia for 9000 years and failing every time, in the new one yeah it's weird
errant mauve
But yeah, I'd argue cadia isn't very wanked, more that Chaos are the king of jobbers
odd sparrow
he was ~secretly fulfilling the objective that would destroy the entire imperium if successful~
scenic bolt
most factions kinda vaccilitate between woe is us we havent received any lore/model updates in 10 years, vs oh boy we finally got an update
novel fulcrum
from what i can tell in my limited searches atm, the shock troops' schtick seems to mostly be discipline and operating by procedure
wonder who that reminds me of
:^)
errant mauve
Chaos can never win, because if they do in any major faction the setting will fundamentally change so much that it doesn't fit with the jive of 40k
But at the same time Chaos really can't lose, because if they lose all the time (and they do!) their status as a real threatening narrative big bad would be lost
What a time to be a Chaos fan
scenic bolt
formerly held by the necrons until ward updated them
odd tulip
GW uses them primarily as an excuse to write stuff out of the setting
novel fulcrum
rip squats, mostly lost but not forgotten
scenic bolt
your faction loses a battle, oops it was a tomb world, they also went back to sleep
odd tulip
Like, the reason the imperium wins so often is because when the imperium wins it means a maintaining of the status quo
nothing changes
which means more stories can be told
which means more models can be sold
scenic bolt
an imperium win usually gets counteracted with imperium incompetency immediately following so its a net neutral
keen nova
Well, I have another guard v "tau" question. I know Kroot warriors are melee specialist but it it like-are they are a species made for melee? trained? Are they naturally adverse to firearms? (less potential I mean) can a regular human stand a chance against them in melee?
novel fulcrum
'humanity beats back a foe from their bastion, while the others encroach upon them, seizing their attention'
repead ad infinitum
odd tulip
Well, I have another guard v "tau" question. I know Kroot warriors are melee spe...
They're dinosaurs
they eat things
keen nova
they eat things
yeah but like
novel fulcrum
afaik the kroot were just a race that the tau met and convinced to fight as mercenaries for them, and the kroot do have firearms of their own
mostly just projectiles though
odd sparrow
Yeah so, the Kroot were one of the earliest races the Tau roped into their alliance. They're an avianlike species that has the ability to adapt the DNA of what they eat, and are generally a very tribal, consciously primitive society
odd tulip
They're mostly there to protect the gun line, tbh
errant mauve
Well, I have another guard v "tau" question. I know Kroot warriors are melee spe...
'umies could put a respectable fight against your standard kroot carnivore
at least imo
novel fulcrum
yeh, they excel at tying up the battle line while the fire caste blast the enemy from afar
odd sparrow
This DNA adaptation trick can cut both ways, it can result in massive boons, or if you fuck it up & adapt the wrong genes it can devolve you into an evolutionary deadend. So the kroot are accompanied by various beasts derived from devolved kroot
keen nova
afaik the kroot were just a race that the tau met and convinced to fight as merc...
Yeah yeah but you know how Tau have good guns but not good melee? because they are short and not as strong/lack depth perception?
keen nova
'umies could put a respectable fight against your standard kroot carnivore
Thank you!
odd sparrow
'umies could put a respectable fight against your standard kroot carnivore
yee, imo an experienced and strong guardsmen should do okay. Kroot are strong, vicious & clever but they're not like
odd tulip
This DNA adaptation trick can cut both ways, it can result in massive boons, or ...
Like really inefficient tyranids
odd sparrow
superhuman or anything
odd sparrow
Like really inefficient tyranids
p much
novel fulcrum
yeh, they're not a bioweapon or anything
odd sparrow
It does result in some hilarious art though
keen nova
superhuman or anything
thats what i wanted to know
odd sparrow
like a kroot eating ork flesh and adapting the SWOLE AS F U C K gene
keen nova
I already know what they are lol
odd sparrow
Yee
cursive hull
Yeah, a Guardsman with a bayonet on his rifle with combat experience and training could equal a Kroot in melee.
odd sparrow
none of the tau races i can think of rn are really that uniquely strong or whatever
cursive hull
Even better if said guardsman was already kitted for melee.
odd sparrow
only exception is nicassar, cus they're psychic
but alas GW WILL NEVER MAKE NICASSAR MINIS
i am angy
novel fulcrum
i will say that i do like how their rifles look
keen nova
Even better if said guardsman was already kitted for melee.
Thats the kinda answers i needed
odd sparrow
yee
novel fulcrum
very campy, innawoods
odd sparrow
So like, catachans vs kroot is even fight
odd sparrow
very campy, innawoods
Yee, i love kroot culture
odd sparrow
no one remembers the vespid
I really hope someday they rework the vespid massively
keen nova
And their guns are serviceable but nothing crazy
odd tulip
Daily reminder that SM are s4 because they're biologically engineered to be the best of the best
and catachan are s4 because GAINZ
odd sparrow
i don't want kroot to be alone as the only auxiliary
errant mauve
none of the tau races i can think of rn are really that uniquely strong or whate...
demiurge?
aren't they basically lil powerlifters
odd sparrow
Demiurg never really leave their ships, i mean just like. Physical battlefield strength
errant mauve
oh
odd sparrow
ofc I mentally retcon that detail
cursive hull
From memory, there were two explanations for why Kroot don't wear armor.
A:) They do, but only the women of the species
B:) They don't like relying on crutches in battle like armor.
odd sparrow
purely cus demiurg would be very fun to have on tt
gonna match the GSC on the mining laser front
odd sparrow
From memory, there were two explanations for why Kroot don't wear armor.
A:) Th...
The latter is what I see most of the time
it's a v tribal might makes right sort of vibe, they think the tau are kinda cushy and weak but they're also deeply trusted friends
odd sparrow
i-
errant mauve
so having clothes on
odd sparrow
was not aware of this and i don't want to be aware of this
odd tulip
Wait what?
YES, DONT NEED CRUTCHES
LIKE ARMOR
AND WEAPONRY
IN FACT, DITCH THE CLAWS AND TEETH
AND THE SKIN
AND THE MUSCLES
THEY'RE ALL CRUTCHES
odd sparrow
Wait what?
YES, DONT NEED CRUTCHES
LIKE ARMOR
AND WEAPONRY
IN FACT, DITCH ...
based anprim kroot
cursive hull
Wait what?
YES, DONT NEED CRUTCHES
LIKE ARMOR
AND WEAPONRY
IN FACT, DITCH ...
I mean, its like Yautja from Predator/AVP
odd sparrow
Who- also somehow have warp drives that are more advanced than what the tau have
Mighty bird magic
novel fulcrum
make it an even fight
cursive hull
The Yautja also don't wear (much) armor because it makes the hunt boring and low risk
Its why they don't immediately just blast everything with their shoulder cannons
Where's the thrill of the hunt when you just nuke your target with plasma?
novel fulcrum
at the same time though, iirc the yautja only really fight fair if you're proven yourself to be more than prey
if you're prey, you just kinda get hunted normal-style
cursive hull
That depends
odd tulip
But they hunt, like, squishy pink things. Kroot hunt walking battle tanks
cursive hull
They also hunt (in the AVP continuity) Xenomorph's where having acid proof armor would be very useful.
odd sparrow
they get tau to shoot the walking battle tanks for them and go after the squishy pink things
cursive hull
(And for the record, the Yautja view humans as equally dangerous to themselves through being crafty.)
odd tulip
they get tau to shoot the walking battle tanks for them and go after the squishy...
Those damned tau and their 'reasonable approach to warfare' and 'cohesive battle strategy.' Nerds.
cursive hull
I mean, it really isn't a logic thing
odd sparrow
If just lurking in the woods with knives & hunting dogs worked for our ancestors it works for us
odd tulip
tfw the battleline starts speaking dinosaur
odd sparrow
tHE kRoOt aRe ReAdY tO dO tHeIr DuTy
cursive hull
Although, I think, on the Yautja end of the spectrum, it is a punishment to be left on a hunting ground without weapons, armor, or anything else.
That said, it is viewed as something of an exceptional display of skill to survive in such a fashion.
novel fulcrum
kinda like a 'you will rot on this world or emerge a champion' kinda deal
cursive hull
Yeah, pretty much
plush mason
what do the demiurg look like?
odd sparrow
Weird alien dwarves
not a lot of info beyond that, we've only really got proper good depictions of their ships
here comes the booooy
cursive hull
That command bridge(?) (Could be an observation deck) looks like the command bridge of the Venator class Star Destroyer
plush mason
it kinda does
tho its closer to an CIS command bridge or the command bridge of the old republic cruisers
snow tundra
Man, the design of the CIS ship is dogshit
The most important part of the ship held up by a stick
storm jungle
One pilot should do the job
snow tundra
Literally just ram your gunship in it boom done
storm jungle
final spruce
Cadians are all rounders yeah?
Cadians are supposed to be the more defensive regiment actually, they are usually known to be the "hold the line" dudes with good shooters and discipline.
vast frigate
tHE kRoOt aRe ReAdY tO dO tHeIr DuTy
Warsphere reporting
peak hamlet
https://media.wired.com/photos/592704a7cfe0d93c4743217f/master/w_1600%2Cc_limit/...
Still dont get that.
Build incredibly powerfull and gigantic ship
One (1) tiny starfighter crashes into its bridge
Ship destroyed
vast frigate
where are your auxiliary bridges
where the fuck is your spread energy net
redundancies
Also, i watched some stuff on this
with their level of technology, if power failed, getting from one to the other side of the ship would still take days
something about a piece of lore i believe? where when they lost one of the generators, shantytowns quickly got built
cursive hull
Man, the design of the CIS ship is dogshit
That isn't the bridge
That's an observation deck
And really isn't that important.
The bridge is forward of that.
snow tundra
Fair
cursive hull
One moment
The Bridge is that blue thing at the fore. amidships there is a starfighter command and control deck, and then there's the observation deck for VIP's etc.
(The command and control center is hard to spot sometimes, but remember its always directly above the hangerbays on a Providence.)
To be clear for the Venator
It has that twin superstructure.
One of those decks is for the bridge, the second is the control tower for the starfighters.
I mean, it doesn't really make sense to have them right next to one another and not have them be one structure, but its at least explained.
The real irony is how far apart all of these parts are
Here is the Bismarck
The observation deck is on the tower nearby the funnel. That is not the bridge, and isn't well armored.
That squat bunker looking thing just behind the front two turrets is the bridge
Its armored better than the belt armor at the waterline.
(The belt armor at the center of the ship, by the way, is 12.6 inches or 320mm thick.)
Like
As a show of just how armored the bridge was on ships this size?
This is the USS Iowa's (And all of her sister's share this, like Missouri) conning tower (Which is where the Captain tends to be.) it's 17.3 inches (439MM) thick.
That's solid armor
Like, this is "Nope" levels of armor. You simply will not penetrate that with just about anything.
Now, it should be pointed out that only the most important people on the ship would go inside the conn. The Captain and his bridge crew. The less armored (But to be clear, still armored) segments of the bridge would still be occupied. Its to ensure that no matter what happens, the ship still has someone at the controls.)
All of this just to make clear that Sci-Fi sometimes forgets the more practical applications of the past.
gaunt vector
I love the Providence class
crisp heath
Do i get it right that the Adeptus Mechanicus sees the Emperor as the Omnissiah. And that the people who didn't accept him has such, are the Dark Mechanicus?
barren tapir
Yes
final spruce
The see the Emperor as one of the Aspects of the Omnissiah yes
crisp heath
The see the Emperor as one of the Aspects of the Omnissiah yes
so, just aspects, but not the Omnissiah himself
or he his for now*
barren tapir
They see him as the Omnissaiah, which is a part of the trinity that the Ad. Mech worship
Omnissaiah
Machine god
Motive force
crisp heath
I just ask because im a greenie in the WH40k world
I watching* a lot of lore vids, but i still have much to learn
barren tapir
Officially, the Cult Mechanicus maintains that the Emperor is the physical manifestation of the Machine God (the Omnissiah) and part of a trinity that also includes the Machine God and the Motive Force, the deity that gives all life and motion its continued existence
crisp heath
and the trinity was the machine spirit, Omnissiah and ?
barren tapir
Motive force
storm jungle
Do i get it right that the Adeptus Mechanicus sees the Emperor as the Omnissiah....
Late but
barren tapir
Not late
storm jungle
they see him as how we see Jesus as a deity
crisp heath
The machine spirits were just the spirits in the machine of use (Like a gun, or tank and so on)
storm jungle
its why "ssiah" is in his name like Messiah
while the Machine God is a deity above him
Darkmech meanwhile is literally anyone that doesnt follow the mechanicus creed
you dont have to be chaos alligned to be designated as such
crisp heath
So, There is the Machine Gos. The Omnissiah is like an avatar of him (in this case big E)
storm jungle
YEP that
barren tapir
Exactly
storm jungle
It was confusing for me at first too before I realised the Jesus + God comparison is the perfect way to explain it
barren tapir
If someone with more knowledge would arrive then such entity would replace big E as the omnissaiah
crisp heath
Ahhh! And this won't happen in a way, because everyone who wan't to ivent new stuff or make existing stuff better is a heretic*. Because everything the big E gave them or showed them (or they think so) of knowledge is the pinnacle.