#40k-lore-chat

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atomic pelican
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Have you seen Crusher stampede being one of the highest tier armies atm

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Its pretty insane

final spruce
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I have and I'm not surprised

atomic pelican
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Yee its rlly goodo

final spruce
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The buffs they get is pretty ginormous, especially since going warrior for troup was already a mainline for most competitive nid lsits

atomic pelican
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Its just funny to see a army get not even a new dex, just a special detachment, and go beast mode

final spruce
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Well Tyranids were already B tier before it thanks to the forgeworld datasheet changes

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And their point cost reduction

upbeat arch
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Zamn dudes

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I really liked battle for the abyss

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When cestus goes to hell.. 👌😤

plush mason
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who was the bloodthirster sanquinius fought on baal?

atomic pelican
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Ka bandha

storm jungle
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Ka'bandaid yeah 🩹

rose thorn
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Should I wait for the tryanid combat patrol or buy one of the 2 start collecting?

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Tyranids seem@pretty fun

frosty cobalt
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Both

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With nids, the more models the better

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And its not like they are gonna update the sculpts for nids

rose thorn
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Lmao

wind merlin
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Are there any interesting books about the Order of the Black Dragons? And then I liked their style and the story that I heard from the war for Armageddon.

atomic pelican
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The Tyranid SC isnt too good unless you just want one, or if you really want the trygon or broodlord

rose thorn
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Ah play-

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Ah okay*

rose thorn
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I need to think of a good way to make my tryanids

unique✨

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I’m thinking either feathers

signal hill
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I actually think that sounds kind of cute
be sure to share feathered nids with us

plush mason
alpine ingot
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I can hear the high pitched TTS voice...

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stop this

rose thorn
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Same

rose thorn
plush mason
scenic bolt
rose thorn
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Ahh play

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Okay

alpine ingot
plush mason
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lol

scenic bolt
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start collecting boxes are where a lot start with since it generally has decent value for what you get

chrome dragon
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Im surprised even Square Enix is ripping off stuff from Warhammer fantasy at least

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Sacred Flame of Middenheim

unknown.png
vast frigate
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a cathedral is ripping stuff?

chrome dragon
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A blue flame in a frost city

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which is the center of its religion

vast frigate
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i have no idea what youre talking about

chrome dragon
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Warhammer fantasy stuff

vast frigate
crisp heath
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Warhammer is not the center of the world

plush mason
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half the fandom rn 😛

crisp heath
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Know a powerfull weapon for them

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Muted

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Really powerfull XD

vapid tiger
crisp heath
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Bla, bla bla, shut up a bit thanks

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Imperial Guard plot are more amazing than every SM book :x

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Stupids SM fans

crisp heath
odd sparrow
crisp heath
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Rude

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😢

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But ok

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Sorry

vapid tiger
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Space marines this, space marines that

Where's my dark eldar and nid love

novel fulcrum
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all i wanna know is, do astartes choose to use the organ that lets them see the memories of what they eat, or does it just happen?

barren tapir
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Decide afaik

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They must willingly activate it

novel fulcrum
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everyone's just in the eatitorium sanctorium and brother xerxes takes a bite of roast grox and suddenly stands up and goes out to imprison a serf because they abused their meal

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if there's a source to that i'd be down with that, but i don't see one off the cuff

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and honestly i'm leaning towards is just happens, since supposedly the organ's responsible for some of the chapters being wannabe vampires and cannibals, which would indicate to me that they can't pick and choose

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or at the very least, it can mutate to become automatic

storm jungle
vapid tiger
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Rogue Trader was created, and the lore was simple and fun, and times were good

The Book of the Astronomican, Ere We Go and Adeptus Titanicus release, and we get blurbs about the Horus Heresy, but it is merely an excuse for titans to fight titans. The dark days have not arrived yet.

Realms of Chaos releases, Chaos is cool, the Horus Heresy is just an excuse for Chaos aligned marines to exist. Fun

Rick Priestley begins to include weird ass lore in White Dwarf about marine organs and marines being all-male, oh no

2nd ed comes out and solidifies that, oh no

and then things only get worse as things go on

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rick priestley shat gold into gw's hands but was also weird and also never had a clear direction for the fluff since he understood that he wasn't creating art, but a product used to help sell miniatures

But the product's fluff amounting to super nerd bait leads to the product's fluff being treated as art by the nerds

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So then gw pretends it is art to make more money off them

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I mean technically all products are art but they're not made with the same intentions as say, a novel not attached to some franchise

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i mean why else is so much of 40k lore so dogshit and focused on marines kicking dicks in, it's essentially marketing to make you buy more space marines

avatar of khaine got its ass kicked so many times because they weren't trying to sell an aging miniature, they wanted to sell the hot new space marines or lorgar's new model or what have you

I guarantee the AoK will get better treatment from now on just because it has a big fancy new model

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Though perhaps not for long

storm jungle
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Yeah its been a long time since 40k was an IP made for Goofy-Gory-Fun™️

vapid tiger
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See the Ynnari who got shafted during Psychic Awakening because someone had a really dumb idea to market Shalaxi Helbane to 40k players

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But before that were the shit because they wanted to sell the triumvirate

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Though I imagine if it were a marine character shafting the Ynnari the fandom at large would've had a more positive reaction to it and made memes about the "chad space marine character vs the virgin eldar lol xD" or some shit

vapid tiger
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The dumbass fans don't notice because they're too busy creaming their pants about the masculine power fantasy of the space marine blowing people up (despite the fact that marines are incredibly vulnerable on the table compared to this power fantasy writing used to market the game)

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I mean even in bl novels it's still applicable

That's why most are dogshit

shadow plover
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You've not read any of the recent Necron novels then I take

vapid tiger
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And the good ones are ones where 40k is either used as a backdrop or the author wants to do something new using a 40k faction or concept

vapid tiger
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Because necrons haven't been written at length before, those writing them are clearly having fun doing it

odd sparrow
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yee there's like, a sea of v disinteresting bolter porn novels of just Space Marines Doing Cool Stuff™️

vapid tiger
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Same for the Mike Brooks ork stuff

odd sparrow
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40k is a v loosely defined setting, so the best stories always feel less like that and more like a good sci fi story in the 40k flavour

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crons open up a lot of opportunities for that

shadow plover
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I've yet to read the recent ork books but I've heard a lot of good about them

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also Abnett still churns out really good content

vapid tiger
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He even said so in official interviews, he started writing it on his own before the Inquisitor game released and then when the team behind Inquisitor noticed they had bl release the book in the same timeframe (implying that he finished writing it earlier)

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Same with Gaunt's Ghosts to a lesser extent

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There are a few rare exceptions of novels used to market something specific that gw is releasing that do turn out to be decent though, but those are a fluke

I've heard that the Blackstone Fortress novels for example are fun

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Though that's likely because the game itself is very fun in terms of background

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It's a deliberate callback to the feel of older 40k editions

odd sparrow
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yee stuff like damocles and other stories made to market model releases tend to be v cookie cutter. Imperial faction does x thing, enemy faction does y thing, alternate until book ends with a stalemate

vapid tiger
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Yeah 40k has a formula at this point for both official storylines and most bl novels

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Imperial World is attacked or conquered by hostile force

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Imperials defend/counterattack

odd sparrow
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yeahhh. I can sit through it with damocles in particular cus i'm hungry for tau content, but i ended up just skipping through the marine sections cus when you're not super into the faction there is literally zero value in the writing

vapid tiger
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Ends with a stalemate or "the imperium won but AT WHAT COST"

Which is basically a decisive imperial win anyway because the Imperium is written to not give a shit about the cost of winning

odd sparrow
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it's so very formulaic

odd sparrow
shadow plover
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Well I dunno, think that's quite the cynical take for it especially now that recently there has been a resurgence of myriad different books and novellas in very different directions

atomic pelican
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Tbf the Ynnari 'kind of succeeded'

odd sparrow
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BL write a conflict that doesn't end in an imperial pyrrhic victory
[VERY HARD]

shadow plover
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i.e. all the horror stuff they're pushing

atomic pelican
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Eldrad did raise the Yncarne

odd sparrow
atomic pelican
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If the Ynnari succeeded in full, the Eldar would be the most powerful faction in the galaxy

odd sparrow
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i have attention span of earthworm so i don't read much but

shadow plover
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I don't either but I listen to audiobooks daily

vapid tiger
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Like that's only recent

odd sparrow
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where do you get audiobooks?

vapid tiger
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And the stuff that's put in codices ranges from meh to shittier than ever before nowadays

shadow plover
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eh I really think it's the other way around, 3/4 of the recent releases have been interesting

atomic pelican
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The Cult and Drukhari codices both slap doe

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Rule and fluffwise

shadow plover
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sadly because I don't like relying on any Amazon services

vapid tiger
shadow plover
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I've been enjoying the HH stuff quite a bit honestly

vapid tiger
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The HH is shit imo

shadow plover
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HH marines are way more interesting than 40k mostly

vapid tiger
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I checked out on book 4

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And then just

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Dipped into some of the better ones

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Then checked out completely

shadow plover
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I've gone through at least 40 HH books

vapid tiger
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Those better ones being First Heretic, Betrayer and Know No Fear

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And Horus Rising was decent

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The sequels to Horus Rising were kind of meh-bad and I was only reading them due to it finishing the story arc I got invested in through the first book

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Flight of the Eisenstein was meh and I checked out halfway through

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Like the hh itself is p boring and stretched out to hell

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It was apparently originally only planned to be like...10 books?

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which makes more sense

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I mean it you compare shit like most Horus Heresy novels to Josh Reynolds AoS books then they just start to pale

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Excepting Ghal Maraz and War Storm

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Those suck

shadow plover
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Can't really comment on that for I've not read any AoS (nor old Fantasy) books

odd sparrow
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akh

shadow plover
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Humble Bundle does pretty good deals every now and then

odd sparrow
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nods

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It could def help a lot with being able to get through them

vapid tiger
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aos and to a degree fantasy has a habit of kicking in 40k's teeth in from a narrative pov

AoS is a constant stream of new and interesting ideas just because it's a newer and wilder setting, while fantasy had their armybook characters be more interesting than those found in 40k

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Not to mention that aos's metaplot is a lot more engaging than 40k's metaplot

40k's new post-8th metaplot (didn't have one before) seems very shoved in there and forced in comparison and feels like it still suffers from 40k's existing formula

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See Vigilus (hopefully whatever happens in the newer Vigilus books will amend that but I doubt it)

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and Psychic Awakening being really boring

shadow plover
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the HH counterpart for 40k has been semi interesting so far

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haven't looked into the third instalment yet

vapid tiger
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HH has a more interesting metaplot than 40k only by virtue of the fact that it is a closed narrative

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It has a defined beginning, middle and end

shadow plover
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yes

vapid tiger
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Because it's bl taking a fluff blurb and making it a novel series

shadow plover
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but I don't mind getting some movement forward in the 40k story either

vapid tiger
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Now if only they would do the same with the vastly more interesting marines vs marines fluff blurb, the badab war

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Which got some imperial armour book I think?

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Like a decade or more ago

vapid tiger
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like okay guilliman is back and there's big marines and abaddon is KIND OF doing things and the ynnari exist and the silent king is back and ghazghkull got his head chopped off and there's even a huge rift that splits the galaxy in half and cadia blew up and the tau got the startide nexus and are expanding into the red scar across the rift

All this stuff sounds very interesting on the surface but it feels very similar to the old status quo pre-8th at the end of the day

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and it's also mostly imperium focused

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Because nothing is done with it

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If that makes sense

plush mason
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when has 40k lore not been imperium focused to some level?

vapid tiger
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We are told the Imperium Nihilus is supposed to be a representation of the Imperium were Terra to fall and Chaos to achieve victory, but that's only reflected in one bl novel

Otherwise from what we see of it, it's just business as usual except worse and the blood angels are in charge

I think it would help if chaos and xenos actually made realspace advancements into the Imperium Nihilus

vapid tiger
atomic pelican
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Imperium Nihilus in reality: Plotarmored BA instead of UM

plush mason
vapid tiger
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We are told that chaos is stronger than ever, but abaddon ran with his tail between his legs at vigilus and is now striking at it again...like it's cadia 2.0?

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Armageddon has daemons on it again and now it's a 3-way fight? Cool, but why is that a footnote?

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Huron is doing nothing until he gets a new model

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Despite having a warband that is practically the 10th chaos legion in terms of relative power

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The eldar are still a punching bag despite the ynnari's introduction

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The dark eldar aren't getting anything interesting until vect gets a new model, BUT that will be 10 years from now because for some reason moar primarchs take precedent for gw because money

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The orks got a whole ass range update...and nothing has come of it except ghazghkull getting embarrassed by Ragnar despite supposedly being the biggest ork around in 40k (hell, he can actually reliably kill guilliman in close combat now on the table)

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The Silent King came back...and there's nothing for necrons except the Pariah Nexus existing. And dynasties having more territory, which was established at the beginning of 8th

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so shit, I guess when vect gets that new model he'll also have nothing to do

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the death guard

Okay the death guard actually got a lot of love so like no complaints there

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The thousand sons

okay same but less than the death guard so props to gw

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but otherwise it feels the same

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oh yeah

The nids

the nids got one cool story hook and they're otherwise the same

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Leviathan is still ongoing

shadow plover
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I guess we can expect similar story involvements with the other recently updated model ranges in a couple years like it happened with DG

vapid tiger
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It's all mostly the same old shit with a new set of paint

shadow plover
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because it's very much tied to model releases

vapid tiger
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Despite getting a range update

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Same with necrons

shadow plover
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DG didn't get all this in the first year after the model releases

vapid tiger
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They got death guard tier model releases and got a lot less

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fair enough but still funky

shadow plover
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Necrons are getting close with stand alone books about them

vapid tiger
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I mean

I'm talking about the new metaplot

BL releases are a different story

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I'm just saying 40k's metaplot currently is boring and lacking

shadow plover
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okay yeah sure, not that much happened with silent king yet

vapid tiger
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but 40k fans who only know 40k will have reason to celebrate

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But if they, like me, proceeded to get more interested in aos and also fantasy after the fact, it starts to look shit

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Or...you know

Looking at other franchises entirely that aren't warhammer

upbeat arch
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Youre not a true warhammer fan until you hate warhammer

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Has anybody here read book 10 Tales of Heresy? Almost done with Mechanicum

shadow plover
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the Anthology?

upbeat arch
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Ye

shadow plover
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think I did a couple years ago, one of the better anthologies for sure

upbeat arch
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Also Black Library sent out an email showing a bequin book on preorder and i nearly shat myself. Then i realized its just a reprint of the first book

upbeat arch
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Nice avatar btw

shadow plover
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Cheers 😄

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but it being an anthology it suffers from a couple not so good stories

upbeat arch
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As to be expected

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Lookin forward to it though

serene jungle
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what was the name of that burninator weapon

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the chainsaw flamer

odd sparrow
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it was smthn metal sounding

novel fulcrum
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exterminator cartridge

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the thing they stick on eviscerators sometimes?

storm jungle
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Its just a flamer

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at least the one you posted in that pic

novel fulcrum
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only chainsaw flamer i know of is the exterminator cartridge you can stick on 'em, and some guns

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pic provided looks like a stylized flamer w/ chain bayonet

storm jungle
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Yeah its a special character weapon too

plush mason
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that is beond badass

dusk blade
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it's a special eclesiarchy brand flamer from what I remember.

proper helm
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The Datasheet calls it a Vindicator

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Or did Vorne name it that

dusk blade
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your guess is as good as mine

plush mason
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Vorne likely did

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so its likely the vindicator as its the only one

upbeat arch
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Vorne is bae

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Cutie 3.14

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The blackstone book was rad

potent swift
upbeat arch
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I still lol at them naming a world Metalica

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Based

dusk blade
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I mean it's a great name to choose

upbeat arch
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Really is

novel fulcrum
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gryphonne iv is still operational
in my heart

dim totem
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must be a cool ass planet

plush mason
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iirc metalica is stupidly religious and all about purity or some shit like that

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the forge world that is

storm jungle
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their entire planet is also mostly metal

plush mason
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yeah

upbeat arch
golden hatch
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so i came up with a mini-theory while showering

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what if instead of actually ascending to daemonhood, perturabo had built a suit of armor that gave him the aura of one

serene jungle
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hhhhhHECK Skarbrand has Chainsword in TW3, what are the implications of that

plush mason
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no he doesnt?

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he should have his 2 axes

vapid tiger
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damn

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dark heresy really do be scooby doo in space

proper helm
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sure is

dull osprey
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It can be lol

meager gale
plush mason
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oh that

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yeah that isnt just for skarbrand

meager gale
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i know but he can scoop it. i do really like that they added that lil easter egg though

plush mason
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yeah

vapid tiger
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It's likely also a reference to the liber chaotica: khorne book from 2003

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Which was part of a fantasy sourcebook series on each of the chaos gods told from the perspective of a mad old world scholar, who said the empire had documented chaos warriors using chainswords as a gift of khorne

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Same scholar also had visions of chaos marines as an excuse for the books to delve into 40k stuff

rose thorn
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The new corsairs are kinda hot tbh

Shame that their isn’t a return of jump packs tho

barren tapir
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What the hell is doing the first of the bloodline here?

rose thorn
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Waiting for endless dungeons

barren tapir
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Make sense

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Why the change from the eldar ranger to the mighty vaulter though?

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Other than the basic fact that vaulters are amazing...

rose thorn
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Because I have been playing endless space 2 every day for the past 2 weeks

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I’m doing a sophons play through, I normally have 1 of every bot on endless

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So it takes for fucking ever

charred owl
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I will easily convert some of the corssairs to my drukhari.

rose thorn
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Sadly these corsairs don’t match the corsairs I’m gonna make

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But the models bang

atomic pelican
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The new Corsairs are gonna be runnable in CWE armies

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I wonder if you can include them with Drukhari as well

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My girlfriend is making them for KT, going to run them as sort of 'privateer' forces, shackled to fighting for the Craftworld for a pardon

charred owl
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I think so..

rose thorn
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You can also most likely run them

gags

Ynnari

storm jungle
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Ynnari exist.

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How great

rose thorn
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I have no clue how GW made the most boring fucking faction possible

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In any war game ver

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WOO! ELDAR BUT WITH MIN MAXING

atomic pelican
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Funny enough they aren't actually good atm

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Infact they're kind of doodoo

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They're p much just carried by Drukhari statblock satm

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And in the new codex, pure CWE are better

rose thorn
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They shouldn’t even exist, elder should just be allowed to run other specific Eldars as detachments

charred owl
vast frigate
rose thorn
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Lmao fair

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I actually should probably own the eldar codex before saying anything

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All I got is chaos✨

upbeat arch
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woah woah woah DUDES

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im reading Mechanicum and Dorn says he wish he had the 2 lost primarchs on his side. Malcador responds “Do not even think it, my friend. They are lost to us forever.”

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Is Dorn suggesting they’re out there somewhere? Still alive or something?

errant mauve
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no

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Its sort of like uh

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Horus lamenting about how he wished Ferrus Manus was on his side

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Except Malcador has a rod jammed up his ass about the 2 lost primarchs and won't let anyone talk about it

plush mason
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had*

upbeat arch
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Ooo ok ok

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This book is so good tho..

errant mauve
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He force choked Horus back during the GC when he tried to say one of their names

upbeat arch
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😳

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So Emps is the neglectful dad and Malcador is the abusive uncle, basically

rose thorn
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The 2 primarch got space aborted

upbeat arch
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WHERE ARE THEY THO

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i bet theyre finna be chillin with the King in Yellow in the next Bequin book

novel fulcrum
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pretty sure more primarchs have threatened him than those that haven't

alpine ingot
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My theory is that something happened and maybe one or both became mutated due to warp exposure and if not one mutated and the other died and the erasure order was more to establish a sentiment that there was nothing that could lay low a primarch and they were perfect beings.

rose thorn
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Heard a theory that Tyberos is a primarch, but that one probably isn’t true

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Anyone would probably say any tall space marine is a primarch

upbeat arch
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Ya know….

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Tyberos did come out of the far reaches of the galaxy

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Probably not even close to true considering the carcharadons are pre-heresy nightlords

errant mauve
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Just a big fella

atomic pelican
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More like a fart smella

errant mauve
plush mason
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wait do grey knights have some kind of personal shielding?

cursive hull
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Of what variety?

plush mason
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as they are all psykers i would assume its one of those pysker force shields

odd tulip
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Psykers get force shields? news to me

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all my psykers get fuck all in the way of invuln saves

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"Whoopdeedoo, my 100 pt psyker was taken out by a single melta cuz I don't get a save. FUN GAMEPLAY"

atomic pelican
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Look out sir better 4head

shadow plover
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Think most, or some, have a spell to activate an invul for someone/themselves or an aura for all nearby

atomic pelican
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And yeah, invuln spells are p common

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If its tabletop, fluffwise Im sure grey knights can manifest such a barrier

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Its just a matter of their armor already offering plenty of protection

novel fulcrum
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the grey knights supposedly project a collective psychic ward against chaos

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which is of course on top of their sanctified aegis terminator armor and the purity wards* implanted under their skin across their body

shadow plover
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wonder if it causes chafing

novel fulcrum
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keeps 'em alert

errant mauve
alpine ingot
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I forget if it's simply called a Psyker shield or if it's called a Kein (I don't remember how it's spelled) shield, but it is a shield that a Librarian can cast around themselves to block incoming attacks. at least fluff wise in books.

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I know Ahriman makes use of one often in his books

boreal skiff
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"When used defensively, telekines could generate barriers of invisible kinetic force known as "Kine-Shields" to block physical attacks on themselves or others."

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Phosis_T'Kar

Warhammer 40k Wiki
Phosis_T%27Kar

Phosis T'Kar was the Captain of the 2nd Fellowship of the Thousand Sons Space Marine Legion during the latter days of the Great Crusade and the beginning of the Horus Heresy in the late 30th and...

plush mason
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"fellowship"?

eternal ledge
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Thousand Sons versions of grand companies

plush mason
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LOL

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they really where just super nerds wherent they

alpine ingot
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and yet, they made just about every other human and astartes Psyker look like an absolute joke

plush mason
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so super nerds

alpine ingot
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yup

vast frigate
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super cuties

alpine ingot
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there was a moment in the horus heresy where a group of thousands sons were cleaning their weapons and all but one of them was using their powers to do the job for them and they were ragging on the one thousand son who was doing it by hand.

eternal ledge
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Funny enough that one that bothered to do it by hand became a founder of the Grey Knights

plush mason
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lol

dusk blade
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So wait do the new Eldar corsairs even plunder? Most if not all eldar would snub their noose at the goods of lesser races. So there has to be somthing in it for them.

cursive hull
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Slaves, for one.

Raw materials, archaeotech, and valuable materials otherwise.

errant mauve
cursive hull
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And yes

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A Corsair doesn't necessarily have the ability to refuse food, drink, etc.

errant mauve
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Also just general stuffs like Carro said

dim totem
storm jungle
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Its the same as how the Imperium "hates" aliens yet will openly trade with them if it benefits them, not much different from beyond it.

dim totem
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Now i kinda want the fancy space pirates

storm jungle
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Corsairs are pretty cool for that yeah lul

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Their entire goal is basically to have fun and explore the galaxy as pirates while not falling to dark eldar levels of depravity.

dim totem
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The more you guys post them and the longer i look at them

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Mhm

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Like drukhari but more chill

storm jungle
#

Yeee their lore points that out pretty much

#

the corsairs that fall to such levels are used as suicide troops, so that says a lot.

dim totem
#

p cool

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ok fine i guess

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unzips wallet

storm jungle
#

Lmao dont fall so easily into temptation ET, consider your options first lul

barren tapir
#

Lets raise the black flag matey!

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So, space sea shanty when?!

dim totem
storm jungle
#

Ah fair fair

dim totem
#

But it’s a vibe i like, eldar pirates,i didnt know they were a thing before these announcements

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They might have been around for a long time? Idk

scenic bolt
#

since 2nd

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rt cant say cause Im not as versed with it

dim totem
storm jungle
dim totem
#

maybe i never looked at eldar close enough

storm jungle
#

Yeah in tabletop they are extremely minor as a faction

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most of their lore comes from a single Forgeworld book lul

dim totem
#

Ahh yeah

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But i gotta say these new ones i really dig

alpine ingot
#

legends says that Lufgt Huron fall was linked closely to his fondness to raising the black flag and playing sea shanties over the vox systems of his battle barge

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on a less shitpost tangent: gave the new Audio book about the Deathkorps of Krieg a listen, I think it was pretty good. Gave a good look at the analytical mindset of the Korps and how they use each man as a resource to gain victory. A lot less "please let me run at the enemy to die for my planets sins" and more "I am going to do everything I can to win this war even if it means giving up my life." It's narrated by Timothy Watson and I quite liked his performance.

charred owl
#

They were huge as a faction in battlefield gothic. There they were the main eldar faction.

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Also mentioned of coming to the aid of illianden when they were attacked by tyranids (kraken hive fleet i belive? 🤔)

storm jungle
#

Yriel's corsairs came to help Iyanden yeah

#

its his home basically

charred owl
#

Yea. They saved the craftworld from going under if i remember it correctly.

storm jungle
#

It was a joint effort but their numbers helped a lot since half of iyanden was wraiths at the time lol

cerulean wagon
#

@storm jungle correct me of im wrong but isnt one of the corsairs wearing a druhk helmet

storm jungle
#

Yeah a kabalite one

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corsairs come from all walks of life

final spruce
#

They are wearing a mix of CWE and Drukh

storm jungle
#

Yeee what Zher said, but most of the bodies are original

final spruce
#

Which is great

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Minis look gorgeous

storm jungle
#

actually not most, literally all of them lmao

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and yeee

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love the equipment

final spruce
#

Space pirates my beloved

storm jungle
#

they do be reaving

vast frigate
#

Hey so turns out

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Lexicanum mods are acticely leaving out key parts of lore because they dont like it

storm jungle
#

Yeah thats lexi

final spruce
#

:medicemote:

storm jungle
#

Medic moment

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DSKDS

final spruce
storm jungle
final spruce
#

"Oh yeah I'm having edit wars with other mods but that's def because i'm right and they are all wrong."

vast frigate
#

Now

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That adds in with

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The wiki adding fan lore into "canon" lists

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Reddit being a cesspool

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1d4chan writing only memes

final spruce
#

Atleast 1d4chan doesn't take itself seriously and embrace the memes

vast frigate
#

Seems like we have to build a physical library for all warhammer books

final spruce
#

Just don't use it as a source or i'll laugh at you

vast frigate
#

Yeah except they also portrey their own memes as fact

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So that is kinda douvle

final spruce
vast frigate
#

Then again its the site that spawned the necromancers clown car so

dim totem
#

whats lexicanum

final spruce
#

another warhammer wiki but less bloaty

dim totem
#

Aahh

vapid tiger
#

All 40k wikis are bad

novel fulcrum
final spruce
#

The advantage of wikia is that they are lazy and just copy paste text from the books

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So atleast its not edited, well not always

novel fulcrum
#

only difference i ever noticed was wikia just didn't actively cite their sources directly for each given talking point

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still kept a list of books taken from though

storm jungle
#

Nah the lexi is still great

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let me get my example

vapid tiger
storm jungle
#

Lexicanum :
"Khorne is the god of blood and murder. He hates wizards and loves berzerkers"

Wikia :
"Khorne is the god of blood and murder, murderous blood and bloody killing. He is sated by acts of murder and blood. Warriors of blood and murder call to Khorne and Khorne demands of them blood and murder. Every time a bloody murderer wants to commit murdery blood, he invites Khorne into him. Khorne despises wizards and uses bloody murder to murder out all of the wizard blood. Khorne has no wizards, and hates them. Khorne favors only the bloodiest of murderers for his blood murdering.

novel fulcrum
#

you said this is a point in lexi's favor?

storm jungle
#

Yes

vapid tiger
#

Yeah the 40k wiki is bloated

storm jungle
#

Like no offense but the lexi is still much better

vapid tiger
#

be concise

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especially w/ shit like fucking warhammer 40k

novel fulcrum
#

that's a fantastic paragraph, and i'm not going to pretend it's not

storm jungle
#

I only read the 40k wiki when I dont own a codex/forgeworld book

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as krug says its straight up copy pasted anyway

vapid tiger
#

p sure dilara just like

novel fulcrum
#

apparently not on lexi :^)

vapid tiger
#

memed that paragraph

storm jungle
#

Oh yeah i have

#

I got it saved for this reason LMAO

vapid tiger
#

every time a bloody murderer wants to commit murdery blood

lmao

#

very funi

novel fulcrum
#

khorne bless

storm jungle
#

THE ACCURACY HURTS ME

vapid tiger
#

No legit the 40k wikia will repeat itself

storm jungle
#

Yeah holy shit

#

I want to read about an Imperial guard vehicle and the same sentence gets repeated like 4 times

vapid tiger
#

kind of like how 40k fans repeat the same jokes over and over shibalaugh

novel fulcrum
#

well yeah, because they just post lines from the books, codices will repeat themselves

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i'd prefer that to not getting details at all

storm jungle
#

Yeah but id expect them to edit this

#

they are just lazy lol

novel fulcrum
#

'them' 'they'

vapid tiger
#

But you do get details with the lexicanum

#

It's just also shit

storm jungle
#

Yeah lexi is still the top example

novel fulcrum
#

bruv it's a pubby wiki ain't it? 'they' is all of us

storm jungle
#

its faults are annoying but positives are much higher

#

I appreciate the fact that they also update lore on certain pages when new fluff is revealed from recent books and whatnot

vapid tiger
#

A good 40k wiki would compare lore between editions and whatnot

cerulean wagon
storm jungle
#

OH YEAH

#

I didnt notice the ears lmao

final spruce
#

Well it does make sense

#

So does their weaponry

#

Corsairs don't have the funding of cabals or CWE, they gotta trade for their stuff

storm jungle
#

Kind of

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Corsairs can have a lot of funding/influence

#

trading is like a side thing they do like everyone else for supplies, they aren't too dependant on it per-se unless they arent a major corsair faction

final spruce
#

Well when your leader is a former prince yes

storm jungle
#

Lmao yep

#

if you're not a major one you will be much more reliant on it

final spruce
#

But there are multiple corsair crews around

#

Yeah thats what I meant if you're not a major one you gotta make do

storm jungle
#

Yeee

cerulean wagon
storm jungle
#

LOL

#

harsh but true

cerulean wagon
#

supposed to anyway

vast frigate
#

An example i noticed, now rectified

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Skitarii arent all mindslaved

vapid tiger
#

Hang on

vast frigate
#

But according to one editer, "no exceptions, as all skitarii are mindslaved"

vapid tiger
#

Gonna become an editor and delete the entire wiki

storm jungle
vast frigate
vapid tiger
#

Delete most pages and leave the major faction and character pages up

Give new descriptions

#

And they're all either

barren tapir
vapid tiger
#

"X is a faction in Warhammer 40,000"

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Or "x is a character in Warhammer 40,000"

#

dislike everything else

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nothing else will be mentioned

novel fulcrum
#

i will say that i do like the idea of a techpriest literally playing an rts with their skitarii cohort with full micro, but yeah, having them be entirely dependent on that was dumb

cunning wigeon
#

Is the Culexus assassin wearing like a suit or is its body that messed up?

#

because its model looks like a suit

#

but artwork looks more like its skin and flesh

storm jungle
#

which... is basically just grey latex

cunning wigeon
#

okay, saw this and thought that being soulless fucked them up or something

storm jungle
#

Oh yeah nah thats just the art style

cunning wigeon
#

ahhh gotcha

storm jungle
barren tapir
#

Oi! Being soulless is amazing... As long you hang up with other soulless people

#

And even when with people with souls it is them that suffer lol

cunning wigeon
#

No offense to blanks of course, my apologies

final spruce
#

I'd say Eversor have it the worst of all assassins

#

With Callidus being a close second

cunning wigeon
#

Eversor I can understand even with limited knowledge on their lore, but why callidus?

final spruce
#

Well unlike the 2 others they have to infiltrate societies, do stuff they'd probably regret if they weren't indoctrinated etc

cunning wigeon
#

Don't Vindicares do much the same thing? Obviously less hands on than the Callidus but still

final spruce
#

Vindicares just go meditate during 3 weeks on a sniping spot after stealing their target's agenda and then move (i'm exaggerating it but its pretty close to the truth)

#

Meanwhile Callidus infiltration can last multiple years

storm jungle
#

Yeah also Calliduses are surprisingly expressive

upbeat arch
#

I fucking LOVE CULLEXUS ASSASSIN

#

my local game store had an underpriced box of that assassins board game they put out years ago

final spruce
upbeat arch
#

I bought it and then told the guy he might wanna raise the price on the rest

#

He looked up how much value was in that box and was like “holy shit bro you robbed me blind 😂”

vast frigate
vast frigate
unborn ruin
#

i hope we see a good old exterminatus at the end of space marine 2

marsh grail
storm jungle
final spruce
maiden iron
errant mauve
final spruce
#

I remember his post on Reddit and then being corrected

errant mauve
plush mason
#

lol

vapid tiger
#

Almost as if death korps can be individuals instead of unthinking meme drones

odd sparrow
#

The kill team animation highkey did a very good job of that

#

they're willing to sacrifice themselves for an inch of ground, but they can still be scared or freak out or get supressed without running straight into the hail of bullets

cursive hull
#

Kriegers are less risk averse, is all.

#

They're still human, but they're less likely to give up because things suck.

upbeat arch
#

U think there are any female kriegers?

#

Theyre mostly vat grown from what i understand

#

But that cant be perfect

#

And they use their gasmasks to hide that they send their underage to war. You think itd be feasible they sent a female krieger ever?

final spruce
#

Well funnily its a talk we had here

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And we realised that, if you were to send underage children to war ... might aswell be girls since they mature much faster than men

plush mason
#

in a galaxy full of things trying to wipe out humanity it would be beyond stupid to forbid half the pop to fight

final spruce
#

Indeed they just have to separate them for obvious reasons

plush mason
#

yup

upbeat arch
#

Oh shid this’ll go great in my fanfic

#

errrr uhh uh

#

Its not porn i swear

plush mason
cursive hull
#

...By definition, fucking yes.

cursive hull
#

Incorrect*

upbeat arch
#

Ooo

cursive hull
#

Some are vat grown, to make up the difference, but most are naturally born

upbeat arch
#

Ah ok ok

cerulean wagon
#

(as much as most modern militaries will try otherwise)

odd sparrow
#

yeah, their culture is dehumanising but that doesn't mean you cease to be a person

plush mason
#

isnt that the entire point of dehumanization?

#

so ether krieg sucks ass at its own cultural practices or people just dont wana admit how fucked up and effective they are lol

plush mason
atomic pelican
#

They are still a person, just a very deluded one

plush mason
#

they dont see it that way is the point

#

a krieger has more in common with a bullet than they do with a normal person

cerulean wagon
#

na, people are still people

plush mason
#

lol if only that was true

cerulean wagon
#

zealous yes, but still not immune to temptation or desire

plush mason
#

afaik their only desire is to atone

upbeat arch
#

Guys my dad named me 3, please stop making fun of me

plush mason
#

the human mind is a very fragile and malleable thing that can be broken and reshaped to ones needs with the right systems

cerulean wagon
#

but not foolproof, as you said it is malleable and any extreme environment can lead it to change

plush mason
#

that is true

cerulean wagon
#

like say, an active war front

plush mason
#

eh with the indoctrination and training the kerigers go thur the stresses of war will have little effect on them

#

in fact its for that very reason that similar systems have been used thru out human history to create elite warriors

cursive hull
#

...That's just not even true.

Kriegers have a morale that can be shattered

#

Its been done, many times

#

Including on Vrakks.

plush mason
#

thats likely do to GW's writers not understanding how such indoctrination changes people mentally

storm jungle
#

Not really

#

its the same as how Space Marines dont need to put recruits through death-trials

#

and can just train them like normal soldiers

#

being on tough planets or eliminating your recruiting pool doesnt make strong soldiers

plush mason
#

and for gameplay balancing reasons

storm jungle
#

Guilliman makes this exact example to Dante

#

so its logical in-universe too

cerulean wagon
#

also SM have indoctination and still fall

storm jungle
#

^

cerulean wagon
#

because nothing the imperium does is perfect

upbeat arch
#

I love reading when space marines experience fear

#

And they just have no idea whats happening to them

#

Hilarious

plush mason
#

it would be the same for the kriegers

storm jungle
#

Pants?

Shitted.

upbeat arch
#

(Post amogus poop kill)

atomic pelican
#

Gigachad Neophyte Leader at 8LD vs the VIRGIN indoctrinated marine at 7Ld

cerulean wagon
#

except the part where kriegers dont have additional organs for hormone and thought control

cursive hull
#

And are mere mortal men

upbeat arch
#

Thank u ily for that

storm jungle
#

Yeah Krieg are brave because the plot requires them to be

#

any man's morale can break

cerulean wagon
#

krieg are brave and zealous to a fault, unfaltering and unbreakable they are not however

plush mason
#

ugh. thats not how indoctrination works irl but i guess thats how it works in 40k

storm jungle
#

Indoctrination still fails tho

plush mason
#

sometimes

cerulean wagon
#

i think only one book has ever shown them to be entirely unfeeling, and its pretty much agreed the book is bad

storm jungle
#

Janissaries were trained from childhood to be elite soldiers

#

yet then just rebelled

#

and said "fuck you sultan we want more MONEY"

cerulean wagon
#

see: cold war spies

upbeat arch
#

Isnt indoctrination in 40k literally advanced hypno therapy a lot of the time?

cursive hull
#

That's...

#

Also not how indoctrination works in reality either

#

That shit very rarely works

plush mason
#

and yet the janissaries where willing to kill their former christian family without even an eye blink

cursive hull
#

...I feel like that needs a citation

#

Many citations

#

You can generalize these things

#

People are complicated

upbeat arch
#

This is fiction though carroboi

#

Im pretty sure the HH 1-3 has references to the hypno-indoctrination they go through

cerulean wagon
plush mason
#

from what i know of krieg the enitre planet and all people on it are dedicated to the korp and earning forgiveness for their sins.

upbeat arch
#

Hypnogogic i think was the word they used

cerulean wagon
#

dedicated yes, but not without fault

plush mason
#

lol then what good are they?

cerulean wagon
#

you can be as dedicated as you like, but watching your squad get flayed alive then seeing the robot that did it wear their face is going to leave an impression

storm jungle
#

^

#

thats like

#

the entire

#

reason of the Horus Heresy

#

indoctrination means jackshit

#

the human mind is feeble

#

no matter how much you change it

plush mason
cerulean wagon
#

The good is: they are very effective at supressing uprisings and wont question most orders as long as you are careful

storm jungle
#

We should aspire to be more like Custodians, their brain is covered in so much Plot-Gel its literally impossible to corrupt them 😩

plush mason
#

lol

atomic pelican
#

SDUFHDNSF

cerulean wagon
#

krieg are known to be more willing to go the extra mile compared to other guard, and are less likely to show sympathy to a farmers uprising, but if you handle them wrong that can slip up and stop. At the end of the day its not dying they want, its serving the emporer and his larger goals

atomic pelican
#

Run into cult ambush while mortal imperial forces actually contain the infection
near entire force dies
We did it, we saved Terra!
heck

cerulean wagon
cursive hull
#

Also, to "What use are they."

Useful.

Because real soldiers also do their best and sometimes fail, its just how humans function

plush mason
cursive hull
#

Traumatize a person enough and they stop functioning.

plush mason
#

terrais or something like that

storm jungle
cerulean wagon
#

their life is the emporers and not their own, how he chooses to spend it is out of their hands but they plan to make it worth the guidance he gives them by taking however many enemies to the grave with hem as they can

plush mason
#

and yet they can rout and thus take that choice from the emperor?

#

if your life is not your own. who are you to save it?

storm jungle
#

It is better to live for yourself than die for the Emperor

plush mason
#

if these where cadians we where talking about i could see that

cerulean wagon
#

just because they plan to let the emporer spend their lives does not mean it always goes their way

#

fear is a hell of a drug

atomic pelican
#

When presented with the face of death, even the most brave men will save themselves

plush mason
atomic pelican
#

Self-preservation is such a base instinct

#

It is very hard to control

#

If not near impossible

plush mason
#

it can be tho

cerulean wagon
#

there are a few exceptions, like krieg choosing to stay behind so civilians can get on shuttles to escape a tyranid invasuon

plush mason
#

and has been

atomic pelican
#

Yeah in action flicks mostly

#

In real life, soldiers break down and piss and cry all the time

cerulean wagon
atomic pelican
#

Literally

#

Because humans weren't made to be under that level of stress FDUHNFD

plush mason
cerulean wagon
#

as i said

atomic pelican
#

According to who

cerulean wagon
#

there are exceptions

atomic pelican
#

The french?

cerulean wagon
#

these are not the rule

#

just because the swiss guard 1000 years ago gave their lives defending the pope to the last man does not intrinsicly mean the modern ones would do the same

plush mason
#

so long as the DKOK routs are very rare im happy

cerulean wagon
#

not all men are equal, so when you are literaly mass producing millions of soldiers like krieg you are going to have them slip through the cracks

#

DKOK routes are decently common

#

less so than other IG, but more so than SM

atomic pelican
#

It's because routing is usually a good idea lul

plush mason
#

no retreating is

atomic pelican
#

Unlike what the Least Intelligent Commissar™️ would say

#

Fleeing to fight another day is a W

plush mason
#

a rout is not a retreat

storm jungle
#

God

cerulean wagon
#

even orks know when to give up a fight

plush mason
#

yeah retreating to come back later is a wise strategy. a rout is when the soldiers just up and run away and largely dont comeback assuming they arent killed in the rout

atomic pelican
#

Vs being killed because they didn't rout??

errant mauve
#

Even in the Siege of Vraks we have Krieg getting spooked and retreating lol

#

page 72 Imperial Armour volume 5

plush mason
errant mauve
#

158th Regiment of the 12th Line Korps routed due to heavy heretic resistance on the second Vraksian defense line.

#

Fragged their own commissars to retreat

atomic pelican
#

Gigachads

#

I love officer fragging tales

errant mauve
#

Which is kind of odd, because the stereotype is that Kriegers kill commissars to stay stuck in

#

lol

plush mason
#

yeah lol

cerulean wagon
#

thats because the memes are wrong

errant mauve
#

but it goes to show how wrong Krieg memes are

storm jungle
cerulean wagon
#

because krieg are just human

#

i mean, fuck

#

look at the killteam trailer

#

those krieg boys feelin some fear

storm jungle
#

They do be gettin' lit up

plush mason
#

feeling fear is fine. allowing it to control you is not

cerulean wagon
#

well as mayo quoted above
"158th Regiment of the 12th Line Korps routed due to heavy heretic resistance on the second Vraksian defense line."

#

so yes, krieg do rout

plush mason
#

i see

#

ima assume the 158th where executed for it aswell

atomic pelican
#

@storm jungle Did maugan ra solo a hivefleet tendril

#

I saw someone say that earlier

#

and that's fucking baller

storm jungle
#

It depends. Its a hive fleet and sometimes a splinter.

#

they change it a lot

#

DFSKJDKS

atomic pelican
#

Ah

#

Even if just a splinter

#

that's neat

storm jungle
#

Yeee

atomic pelican
#

I know he pulled his craftworld out of the eye of terror

cerulean wagon
plush mason
atomic pelican
#

Guard command is actually fairly practical and intelligent

#

Unlike say, some factions of the inquisition

plush mason
cerulean wagon
#

Guard are just human. they have their good commanders and their bad commanders

#

some are great, some are nobles looking for their next medal

#

you win some you lose some

storm jungle
#

aka

#

Protect the good commanders

#

Frag the bad ones

cerulean wagon
#

especially the commissars

plush mason
#

which rank is higher lord commissar or general?

storm jungle
#

let me pull out the sheet

plush mason
#

lol

cerulean wagon
#

General is higher rank as commissar are not assigned military ranks

storm jungle
#

Yep what skelly said

cerulean wagon
#

they are technically political officers and liasons, and therefor have no right leading a regiment or giving orders, they are just there to advise high command with the knowledge they have from the scholla

plush mason
#

so a lot like the USSR commissars

storm jungle
#

I mean kinda

#

the similarities are like 1-2

cerulean wagon
#

kinda, a mix of ussr commissars and some other bits

plush mason
#

wait so how did Yarrick come to rule Armageddon?

cerulean wagon
#

he doesnt, he is just well respected

plush mason
#

ahhhh

#

so who rules it?

cerulean wagon
#

the local lord govenor

#

idk their name

storm jungle
#

Yeah it was some rando

#

he gets executed in the 2nd Armageddon war

#

for uh

#

making a deal with ghaz iirc

#

Yarrick basically took command since nobody else was doing a proper job

plush mason
#

i see

marsh grail
frosty cobalt
#

Important info

image0.jpg
vast frigate
#

Nah

#

Let them man the artillery

#

Allows them to witness pure boom

split fog
vast frigate
split fog
vast frigate
split fog
#

XD

plush mason
#

lol

alpine ingot
#

Random thought: if you think the Tau get a lot of shit already from the rest of the galaxy keep this in mind, they have not reached the "men of iron" phase yet with their technology. Man is that going to suck for them lol.

vast frigate
#

They have sort of

#

Their ai is self learning and highly advanced

#

It has to do with their own warp presence

alpine ingot
#

I mean the part where they all turn on them and seeks to erase them from the galaxy part

vast frigate
#

I doubt the tau ai will turn

#

Mainly because its their keepsake

gaunt vector
#

would be a lot cooler if it did

vast frigate
#

Their entire trick is not having ai that revolts

storm jungle
#

It really wouldnt be

#

we dont need another AI revolt

#

its cliche and boring

alpine ingot
#

And weren't the ethereal looking into creating Tau psykers with the PA

vast frigate
#

And the tau treat their ai like citizens

storm jungle
#

^

vast frigate
#

Meaning stabbing an ai is gonna land you the same crime sentence

#

I mean

barren tapir
#

Tau are still early in the galactic civilization development scale... Not even nearly the point mankind was during the Age of Tech... But it is true that tau are doing extremely big steps, mostly because the interaction with other more advanced races

vast frigate
#

Hell, operatives and engineers have been known to "marry" their ai companions

storm jungle
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Yeah Tau AI really has no reason to hate their creators

vast frigate
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The men of iron were partly corrupted but as the ship ai mentioned; they took them for granted

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Used them as slaves

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The tau work in unity with

gaunt vector
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I swear their only weakness is being small. they have immunity to chaos to an even greater than the Aeldari's, their tech is OP, do they even have a major internal problem?

storm jungle
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Yeeee seeing as they copied Dune with the AI Jihad even there it was humanity itself that started the war with the machines

gaunt vector
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like an existential one

vast frigate
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They dont have op tech

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See my issue is with this stuff

gaunt vector
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like pretty much all other factions do

barren tapir
vast frigate
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The tau abuse physics

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They realize you dont need fancy schmanzy volkite

barren tapir
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Tau tech is not OP, just well used

vast frigate
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Just hurl a tungsten rod

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At like, mach 12

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Fuck your tank

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And the fridge behind it

barren tapir
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And they are not immune to chaos, just very unpalatable as now

gaunt vector
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ok phrasing bad: Tau have extremely effective tech that doesn't undermine them like Men of Clank

vapid tiger
vast frigate
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Aye

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It helps that they have an underlying hivemind

vapid tiger
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But are totally hopeless and naive when it comes to actually changing anything

vast frigate
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Oh definitely

storm jungle
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The tau should just pack up and leave the Milky Way

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let everyone else kill each other

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lmao

vast frigate
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Theyve had it easy and the startide nexus has been their wakeup call

alpine ingot
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Depending on how you view it, it doesn't need to be an act of hatred. Mercy kill and all that. Besides like you are all pointing out this theoretical event won't happen in the current setting or really any time in the next 5-8 thousand years.

vast frigate
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Eh

gaunt vector
vast frigate
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I like that prospect

vapid tiger
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eh?????

gaunt vector
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*attempt to

vast frigate
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But with black hole farming of the black worlds

gaunt vector
vast frigate
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And the advanced ray energy being researched by the core worlds

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The tau are in for another major leap

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Remember; theyre confident enough to field an antimatter engine

vapid tiger
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i mean it's cool to see the orks or chaos unite and put differences aside to bash skulls in but like

barren tapir
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It is not expanded upon, but it is reasonable to think that humans too weren't much palatable at the start, although they could have still been a nice snack since the galaxy was kinda bare at that point

vapid tiger
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I never saw 40k as hopeful enough to have a central theme be "overcoming your flaws"

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it's not a space opera or anything it's an excuse to have big spaceman slap other spaceman with chainsaw sword

storm jungle
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I mean

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it kind of is tho

vast frigate
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There is 1 space opera

gaunt vector
vast frigate
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Rylanor

storm jungle
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40k suffers from an identity crisis where its trying to be ultra serious in novels but then also being a toy game

gaunt vector
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Rylanor the madlad

alpine ingot
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40k has always been a "everything is shit and you gotta cope with that" setting for me.

vapid tiger
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See the horus heresy

storm jungle
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LOL

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ENDLESS TRASH

gaunt vector
storm jungle
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I mean thats not what I meant

gaunt vector
storm jungle
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lmao

gaunt vector
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ik

plush mason
storm jungle
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god

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please no

plush mason
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its a great song

gaunt vector
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it is

storm jungle
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I dont care

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hes an overrated loyalist among many

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lmao

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"WOW DUDE HE BLEW UP A BOMB IN FULGRIM'S FACE"

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like okay

vast frigate
storm jungle
vast frigate
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Coggers

vapid tiger
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40k fans trying to argue that 40k has good writing actually because uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh i saw a song on youtube

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alpine ingot
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To be honest it is incredible that that EC and Fulgrim make me find Slannesh to be the most bland and uncreative chaos God out of the 4

gaunt vector
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I can appreciate ppl are tired of hearing about him but Rlyanor is not overrated compared to most

plush mason
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btw. mordy is in the new chaosgate game. and he calls the grey knights the sigullite's legion

vapid tiger
plush mason
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did malcador found them or no?

vapid tiger
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The hh readers will find out by the time the siege of terra series ends

plush mason
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they havent ended yet?

alpine ingot
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I just cannot care about Slannesh centered stories the same way as other chaos cults of the other ruinous powers.

plush mason
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slannesh is the lamest of the chaos gods imo

vapid tiger
plush mason
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fair point

alpine ingot
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The Grey Knights? Yeah, he did. His half step was the Knights Errants and later on he'd form the Grey Knights from them.

plush mason
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how many grey knights are there in total?

vapid tiger
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1000

plush mason
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that was more than i was expecting

alpine ingot
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to be fair, with their standards it's kind of hard to have any more then 1000 at any real given time

plush mason
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yeah plus that is a lot of powerfull psykers

vapid tiger
plush mason
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im just talkin about lore not the TT lol

vapid tiger
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If only they were more congruent like in rt

sonic hemlock
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dont forget doomrider who if i remember correctly had such and epic drug fueled battle with orks that the planets core went splat (if i remember correctly!)

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like what u gonna do when this bad boi says hi

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snow tundra
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Say hello back

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I'm not rude

sonic hemlock
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@snow tundra hi

snow tundra
sonic hemlock
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do you like doomrider?

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slaneshs lovvely biker boi

snow tundra
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Eh

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I don't like noise marines in general

sonic hemlock
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😦 that makes me rlly sad

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they are so underated like if u were anything less then a space marine your a puddle (if the universe was reality)

snow tundra
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I simply do not like them

sonic hemlock
snow tundra
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Everything else lul

sonic hemlock
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thats

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unsatisfying to me

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but fair

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how about noise orks

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rokkers my bad

snow tundra
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I'm meh on orkz in general

sonic hemlock
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DAKKA

snow tundra
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Like, I personally have no interest in playing them or diving into their lore too deep, but I appreciate their existence

sonic hemlock
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i mean technically theyre the strongest pyschers in existence but they devolved to stupid pack ruts because of how fast they repopulate

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all there is to know

snow tundra
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I know of their lore, lol

sonic hemlock
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i think u were playing on the diving then, u definetly delved into it 😉

snow tundra
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What

sonic hemlock
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whats your opinion of the emperor, is he the savior of humanity or actually the real 4th chaos god

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(i forget when slaanesh was murder F****ed into existence

snow tundra
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He's some barely alive corpse

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No more no less

sonic hemlock
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but before the 1000 pyscher sacrifices and the betrayal of horus n the traitor legions

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something about his power level and connection to the warp screams chaos gods, since in his living form and life support form are both capable of holding back the warp storm

storm jungle
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Hes a badly written character whos actions make no sense

sonic hemlock
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yea but like he was helping humanity

storm jungle
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I mean he wasnt

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He was just the most strong warlord at the time to take the mantle

snow tundra
sonic hemlock
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securing gene seed to make super soldiers and replace the thunderlords and minimizing the damage chaos caused

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but also

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warp engines....

storm jungle
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I mean

sonic hemlock
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so like

storm jungle
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he doomed humanity

storm jungle
sonic hemlock
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that was when he opened the golden age yes or?

snow tundra
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BRUH

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ARE YOU PART OF THE MFING AJSA

storm jungle
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IM NOT

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BUT I LOVE JOE THO

snow tundra
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I mean yeah fair

storm jungle
snow tundra
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I've watched him since like..

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Middle school? High school?

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A long time

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He's awesome

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Him and Other Joe are the best

storm jungle
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Yeah I dont watch most of Joe's stuff but his game reviews are still stellar

snow tundra
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I'm still generally meh about Alex

storm jungle
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also same