well squats are more realistic to be included than let's say a Sister of Battle... but still hoping for a tech adept or a skitarii
#40k-lore-chat
obsidian wing
dim totem
are we still talking about shit?
vapid tiger
yes
dim totem
bc i read the word squat and you know
vapid tiger
She shitting
obsidian wing
bc i read the word squat and you know
well we do squat, when we shit 👀
rose thorn
Why can’t abhumans be space marines?
vast frigate
Nobody lets them
vast frigate
But it wont ever happen because beastmen are nearly fully 100% attached to chaos, purged, or not noticed at all
peak hamlet
Why can’t abhumans be space marines?
If they cant even manage to turn women into marines...
vapid tiger
Why can’t abhumans be space marines?
GW doesn't make models for abhuman marines
Simple
rose thorn
Or abhumans
vapid tiger
However
You can personally have some beastmen marines
If you get some beastmen heads and marine bodies
Boom beastmen marines
storm jungle
Mostly what Krug said.
rose thorn
Tbh I wanna make beastmen skitarri but I never had
vapid tiger
yeah it's stated a lot that abhumans are treated as second class citizens
storm jungle
There was an older entry in lore where it stated that Marinates hate squats
for
QUOTE ON QUOTE
"genetic impurity"
vapid tiger
Yeah the marines were hardcore fucking nazis in 1e and 2e
They just stopped mentioning it after a certain point
vapid tiger
SoB still are tho
storm jungle
Yup
vapid tiger
Isn't there older fluff stating that SoB don't like marines because they think marines are too genetically far gone
snow tundra
Marines don't even identify as humans anymore
They separate themselves completely from them, they see themselves as more than just human I suppose
They are Astartes, not human
They are above humans
barren tapir
Isn't there older fluff stating that SoB don't like marines because they think m...
Still valid afaik, they still see them as lacking in faith and as mutants...
vapid tiger
They are pretty human
No
They're half human
Half P I P E S
If they bring back leman russ he should look like this
Just totally fucked up
Full of pipes
snow tundra
OwO
snow tundra
Hahahaha
vapid tiger
Im gonna fill you with pipes in a minute
That's horny
vast frigate
Tbh I wanna make beastmen skitarri but I never had
Look up rattarii
Adeptus ratcanicus
Skaven skitarii
snow tundra
He's kinda hot though 😳
vast frigate
Mgmmgnmgm
Daddy-sorry i mean dad-dad, sorry i mean father-parent, sorry i mean elder-papa, sorry i mean....
plush mason
does that bolter have a chainsword bayonet?
barren tapir
Sob like chainsword bayonet for their bolters btw
rose thorn
He's kinda hot though 😳
Agreed
snow tundra
don't fuck the sexy robot rat
native surge
eternal ledge
vast frigate
~~don't~~ fuck the sexy robot rat
Approved
snow tundra
final spruce
barren tapir
Hol on... Those squigs... Damn they are fast
meager gale
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/636580754859491359/936364496035926026/unk...
TWIZTED METEL
vapid tiger
Hol on... Those squigs... Damn they are fast
SONIC SPINNING NOISES
eternal ledge
Hol on... Those squigs... Damn they are fast
Wul de red zo 'akes centz
alpine ingot
Hol on... Those squigs... Damn they are fast
they're red, of course they are fast.
still atlas
https://youtu.be/z8sTHhB4Ls8
thank you kindly sir or madam, i am going to steal the everloving fuck out of this
eternal ledge
thank you kindly sir or madam, i am going to steal the everloving fuck out of th...
It's sir. And enjoy
nova meteor
clear laurel
🍇
nova meteor
how tf would a skorpekh destroyer move
not matter how i think about it having 3 legs only seems like an inconvenience
final spruce
They'd skittle like in the cinematic I assume
alpine ingot
the real question I want answers to is how the hell did the Dark Eldar turn out to be better diplomats then the Craftworld Eldar when it came to getting an audience with the Emperor
alpine ingot
to fix the golden throne
it's failing
and there was a cabal of a handful of inquisitors and high lords of Terra that were willing to risk having a Homunculus on Terra to examine it and fix it.
crisp heath
Well and deldar have better science than most other factions
alpine ingot
mainly medical science
crisp heath
Barring necrons
alpine ingot
which is rather important
barren tapir
Ah, that event
Well, not really diplomats lol
And all the inquisitors and other people got executed by custodes
alpine ingot
Also, the Eldar diplomat event I was referring to was the Fulgrim meeting and the Beast series event where a group a Craftworld ( or was it Harlequins?) Eldar snuck into the Emperor's palace through the webway portal on terra, and proceeded to fight a running gun fight to the throne room to gain an audience with the Emperor
barren tapir
Harlequins
alpine ingot
the fact that they were even convinced to let a Homunculus into system is a feat of astounding proportions
barren tapir
They were not convinced, they wanted one to get in
alpine ingot
honestly, either way of putting it. It's really bad and incredibly stupid
barren tapir
Sometime human stupidity really know no bounds
crisp heath
Harlequins are seen semi often in the Imperium as ambassadors (but mainly bc no one wants to mess with them
barren tapir
honestly, either way of putting it. It's really bad and incredibly stupid
Hubris from the inqusitor and high lords, they thought that a dark eldar could be trusted or forced because they thought they were in charge...
alpine ingot
5 seconds later on Terra and they immediately lose sight of the bastard
and boom, he creates a horde of grotesque's in the sewers to storm the palace
eternal ledge
Out of the local population
Causing them to riot and protest and the the arbites beat down on the population
alpine ingot
Slight tanget: but didn't the Imperium and Eldar(i) have a non aggression pact before in regards of defending access to the Black Library?
final spruce
No idea since the BL is in the Webway and humans don't have a way in. It does sound weird
eternal ledge
Not that I know of. Usually humans can't get to the BL on their own and are only given access when it's to the benefit of the Eldar
upbeat arch
Is the Startide Nexus a form of safe space travel?
final spruce
Seems like it the way its described
storm jungle
Slight tanget: but didn't the Imperium and Eldar(i) have a non aggression pact b...
The non-aggression pact isnt really a thing
like its said in the lore but people assume every imperial wont attack the eldar now
its the Milky Way we're talking about here, not everyone would be aware of it 
barren tapir
Yup, but it wasn't between the imperium and eldar, it was between some inquisitors or even conclaves and harlequins
storm jungle
Yeah basically this
People just think any Imperial wont attack the eldar now when they'd have absolutely no idea
barren tapir
Unless you consider canon the illuminati, then that was a permanent alliance where humans were allowed to enter the BL freely, something that not even others eldars that are not harlequins could do lol
There was an inquisitor that was really friend with harlequins to the point that he use similar clothes lol
barren tapir
Did he lead a dwatchwatch squad against tau once?
Because if he didn't then there is another one
storm jungle
Czevak only deals in eldar plotlines so no
storm jungle
mainly medical science
Not medical science. Any.
Dark Eldar are the direct descendants of the cultist Eldar from the Fall
they got a lot of OP tech
barren tapir
Lol, Dilara digging trough old messages
storm jungle
Its the same reason why Commorragh is impossible to invade unless you're chaos
vapid tiger
commorragh about to get invaded by dis
storm jungle
Yeah thats just some random imperial noble
or i think an Inquisitor? I feel like he has an ][
barren tapir
Well, the fact that has at his side the deathwatch kinda rule out a simple imperial noble imo... And the only crazy person who would stand like that in front of tau would be an inquisitor, an ordo xenos inquisitor, which would also explain why he look like an harlequin
You know, some inquisitors like to smash the xenos with an hammer, other use a different interpretation of smash the xenos
Especially when dealing with eldars smh
Like the bald lady inquisitor lol
vapid tiger
Idk he could just be eccentric
Not every guy looking like a Renaissance noble has dealt with harlequins lmao
peak hamlet
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/a/a8/Inquisiotr_Bronislaw_...
That doesnt look like renaissance noble at all
peak hamlet
https://i.redd.it/dg20kq6s7aq61.jpg
This more so
vapid tiger
That doesnt look like renaissance noble at all
Yeah that's an eldar not what blank is referring to
Wait
Wait does he just have pointy ears
Oh my god that's a human
Why does he have pointy ears
But yeah that's not who blank is referring to
alpine ingot
Didn't Vect instigate the Imperium to attack Commorragh to rise to the top?
vast frigate
Yes
storm jungle
Didn't Vect instigate the Imperium to attack Commorragh to rise to the top?
not the Imperium more like uh
one chapter of the Salamanders
he was pretty much pulling all the strings throughout
alpine ingot
Vector knew what he was doing and used the others greed against them
Classic case of never trust a dark eldar
storm jungle
I mean
it had nothing to do with trust
he just planned it all, the noble houses had no idea when Marines starting killing them all and burning their houses
they probably didnt even know the guy existed
still atlas
Y'know what, I know what I want to see in this game. I mean, aside from my own crazy hopes that aren't likely to happen. I wanna see a decent representation of a melta gun. Or better yet, an inferno pistol. I wanna see how that would work out in a FPS like Darktide, and how Fatshark would render it; we've seen Space Marine's shotgun blast-style, we've seen Kill Team's beam-o-death, we've seen Dawn of War 2's charge-blast beam versus the plasma weapons' explosive shots, I have to wonder how they'd render a melta in Inquisitorial hands.
cursive hull
I still say Dawn of War 2's interpretation is closest to the truth.
And, I find no reason why we couldn't get a melta gun in game
No reason why Darktide can't have as many guns as possible.
novel fulcrum
yeh, the characters themselves are relatively low on the pecking order, but they're being sponsored by the fookin inquisition
they can get all kinds of toys with a little favor
i'm still real interested to see how those interactions go, since iirc there's straight up just gonna be a hub where you have some of those agents around, ye?
i'll also be interested to see how additional abilities get added, since careers are meant to be nixed in favor of modular character skills last i recall
will they bundle them together in themed packs for each character? will they release passive/skill/ultimate bundles with a number of them for each character together? the future awaits
spice orchid
but also the premise would totally fit as a dark heresy campaign
final spruce
Funnily enough Cubicle 7 made that exact premade adventure recently for Wrath & Glory
alpine ingot
I have two friends already fighting to play as the Ogryn lol
real question, is there going to be a plasma gun? and is it going to have an overheat mechanic where if we don't let it cooldown we blow up?
barren tapir
Let see what the emperor's tarots say... Oh, wait.. I cannot because i'm a blank lol
barren tapir
Yup
alpine ingot
All I know is chainsword go brrr and it takes it's time sawing cultist in half if you are cutting them from shoulder to groin
good detail
and there is much shooting
distant parcel
Seeing as there was one in the teaser trailer I'd say we have at least decent odds of a plasma
It's not been confirmed as a weapon yet though
barren tapir
We got confirmation of boltguns but not plasma guns smh
alpine ingot
wait... Huh
well... they do make boltors graded for SoB to use and bolt pistols for humans
alpine ingot
as heavy weapons and
mounts right?
barren tapir
No, those are the heavy versions
barren tapir
Many people think that bolters weren't used by normal humans, but those people are simply wrong
And no, it wasn't the sob that make it widespread, even back to the great crusade there were some normal humans with boltguns
alpine ingot
must have glossed over it or racked it up as a error on the author part. I guess when all you primarily see is Big Space man with gun that leaves a whole the size of a millennial's twitlonger you start assuming things
final spruce
That's fine really
I've met people here that though that Guardsmen weren't allowed to use plasma rifles and meltaguns
But yeah normal bolter is usually reserved for officers and commissars
Some weapon specialists can use them but they are usually trained for more "specialised" equipment like the plasma rifle or the melta gun to give the team some flexibility
alpine ingot
...what? Why wouldn't a guardsmen be allowed to use a meltagun or a plasma gun?
barren tapir
Even sarges can get them iirc
novel fulcrum
yeh, i learned from this server that proper boltguns, not just bolt pistols, can be taken by sergeants of all people
novel fulcrum
...what? Why wouldn't a guardsmen be allowed to use a meltagun or a plasma gun?
standard riflemen or someone with a different specialty wouldn't be given a more complicated (and harder to replace) piece of wargear, there are guardsmen specifically designated to carry special and heavy weapons
although afaik being a weapon specialist isn't too difficult to get up to, as long as you survive your first deployment
alpine ingot
Well yeah, if there were troopers trained to use framers and autocannons why wouldn't there be troopers trained to use meltaguns or plasma guns I'd where I was getting at.
novel fulcrum
ah, yeh
alpine ingot
Granted I could have worded it better
final spruce
Because some people think that guardsmen are all conscripted soldiers without training or worth
alpine ingot
....
barren tapir
When in reality they are the best a planet have to offer lol
Well, in general they are the best it can offer
novel fulcrum
it can be easy to forget that guardsmen are like, the top 5% or less of their planet's defense force
alpine ingot
They must have never read a guardsmen centered novel then.
final spruce
Guardsmen quality depends from each planet but the codex does suggest that most guardsmen are usually the top of their world's pdf
novel fulcrum
at least in the default template's case, i wouldn't be surprised if some planets send some of the worst they have to get them out of their hair
barren tapir
The guard is also very downplayed, because big biological weapon need to be the hero of the story
alpine ingot
Because if the Ghosts of Tanith are conscripts show me the real soldiers because they must be space marines
barren tapir
Also, i think that a necromunda ganger might have the same level of competency with guns that other civilised top tier PDF trooper tbf
novel fulcrum
compared to guardsmen and their typical equipment, their enemies outmatch them quite a lot on an individual level is usually where the issue lies, i feel like a lot of folks don't visualize dozens or hundreds of guard firing on squads of enemies of mankind at a time
barren tapir
So even if they are not exactly called troopers and are part of an organised military they still are among the best of what the planet can offer
novel fulcrum
the one resource the imperium has in excess, manpower
barren tapir
compared to guardsmen and their typical equipment, their enemies outmatch them q...
There is also the fact that IG was created when the personal armour was flak jackets... They have evolved to the point that they have carapace armour most of the time, but still with old flak jacket in stats lol
alpine ingot
Still love the fact that scout Sargent Makol brushed off a dark Eldar Mandrake as a "decent" stealther at best.
novel fulcrum
most of the time? i dunno about that
barren tapir
Look at cadian as example, they have a carapace breastplate, but in stats they still get flak jacket piss poor defense
novel fulcrum
if you mean more statsheets have carapace compared to those that don't, i could see that, since i figure a lot of statsheets are exceptions to the typical guardsman
final spruce
Still love the fact that scout Sargent Makol brushed off a dark Eldar Mandrake a...
Mkoll is op broken in the books lmao
barren tapir
if you mean more statsheets have carapace compared to those that don't, i could ...
I mean in art
alpine ingot
I love the bastard
final spruce
Look at cadian as example, they have a carapace breastplate, but in stats they s...
Really ? Even the newest animations depict them wearing the iconic flak armour
novel fulcrum
even in art i don't recall carapace being common
barren tapir
Give me a sec
final spruce
I know from the books that Carapace is pretty rare
novel fulcrum
like this right here? that's just how the flak breastpiece looks
final spruce
That's flak
barren tapir
You see those guys? Well the green part is not flak
It is called that, but it is not
novel fulcrum
sure, but it's called flak armour
barren tapir
The name remainied, but that is not flak
novel fulcrum
it's 40k flak armour
final spruce
even in art i don't recall carapace being common
Yeah carapace is usually limited to either veterans that can afford/steal it, officers or stormtroopers
barren tapir
This is flak armour
final spruce
Blank
novel fulcrum
just like how in 40k logic, having giant pauldrons is a sensible design choice, so too does it make sense in 40k for metal pecs to deflect shrapnel
final spruce
Comapring irl and 40k is meaningless
Because 40k writers don't know a thing about military
barren tapir
Zher, even in the setting the way they describe the armour of cadians is not flak
novel fulcrum
yeah, but as far as the 1st party source material is concerned, it serves the purpose of flak armor
barren tapir
At least the breastplate
final spruce
I've never heard that before
novel fulcrum
i get what you're saying, but in the 40k universe, that chiseled muscle chest is flak armor
barren tapir
yeah, but as far as the 1st party source material is concerned, it serves the pu...
Yes, and i'm point out that it is wrong
final spruce
Especially since cadian flak armour is easily the most mass produced equipment there is
novel fulcrum
like zher said, arguing logic in 40k is a losing battle
it's wrong logically, but a shitload of stuff in 40k doesn't make sense but works in their universe perfectly well, like important people having more protection despite refusing to wear helmets
final spruce
^
barren tapir
I mean, it all make sense if you go back in time when warhammer was first made and what type of personal armour they would have used as inspiration, but as now it is just anachronistic and confusing, at least it was for me when i first tried to get knowledge of warhammer armours while knowing a bit of RL personal armour
novel fulcrum
they don't care about what's realistic anymore, is what we're sayin'
barren tapir
it's wrong logically, but a shitload of stuff in 40k doesn't make sense but work...
Yes, i know, i just point out every time i see it
novel fulcrum
if they ever did
barren tapir
You are smashing an open door with me, i know full well the shortcoming of GW for the setting, and all the dumb stuff that is in it, still i hope that some stuff can be fixed, and that is why i point things out
novel fulcrum
well, geedubs ain't here unfortunately, and if they are i doubt they're around to make major changes to their design philosophy
barren tapir
Looks at primaris
Yup, indeed...
alpine ingot
That "guardsmen are just conscripts" thing is still bugging me lol. It's crazy how people can write off old guardsmen and I mean old as in they've been fighting for more then 10+ years in the guard
scenic bolt
thats where vet guardsmen come in at tabletop
still flimsy humans but theyre better shots and usually got better gear
storm jungle
It's also a big effect of the surge of memes for 40k in the mid-2000's
people back then joked about NOTHING but "haha guardsman die constantly" or "every commissar constantly shoots their men" etc
well that and the flashlight jokes i guess
scenic bolt
now its nothing but fix bayonets and shovel memes
novel fulcrum
reject shovel, return to BLAM!
i think it's kind of the same misconception that folks have about survivability in the middle ages
barren tapir
Reject dumb guard lore, return to reasonable guard that use tactics that is not marching in square in front of enemy guns!!
barren tapir
Not even them lol
novel fulcrum
life expectancy in a guardsman's first deployment to a major warzone might be something ridiculous like 10%, but there's two parts against that, being that those aren't necessarily hard rates, just the odds, and also once a guardsman gets past those first few deployments, they've picked up enough about how things actually work to make it nice and long
scenic bolt
I mean its part of their lore and its in the dex
storm jungle
Codexes are hammy tho
scenic bolt
it sets the tone
storm jungle
thats kind of their entire deal
barren tapir
Their char is being extremely disciplined under fire, not using themself as cover for others
scenic bolt
gives you some flavor that seperates themselves from others
barren tapir
Mordian never broke, they always do tactical retreat, and unless stated to do so they die on the spot
novel fulcrum
imagine breaking unit cohesion, couldn't be me
scenic bolt
I mean it says they present a solid wall of troops
barren tapir
gives you some flavor that seperates themselves from others
No need to do dumb stuff to separate them from others
scenic bolt
its 40k everyone does dumb stuff
storm jungle
that doesnt excuse 40k from doing really dumb shit tho
barren tapir
We cannot use the excuse that WH40K is all dumb so dumb things are fine
storm jungle
like how the Valhallans were literally idiots because the writer just watched Enemy at The Gates
novel fulcrum
lul shovel charge
barren tapir
Or krieg marching on minefields FFS
scenic bolt
Old lore explained chenkov? I think it is
novel fulcrum
if a commissar blams like a dozen men, he's probably getting volley'd on the spot, maybe even for less
scenic bolt
as that despite his atrocious losses that wouldve normally seen him executed he always produced results
barren tapir
Remember, guards are not just number or tools, the moment they realize you use them as such you are in for a bad time
scenic bolt
yea and thats why theres always a world in rebellion or some guard regiment going rogue that the protags gotta deal with
novel fulcrum
high command's fine, s'just the on-site intermediaries that stand to become another casualty
which is also probably by design tbh
barren tapir
Hell, history is full of examples of officers that mistreated their men and paid the price... Which mean having unfortunate events...
novel fulcrum
those ork snipers, always busy
scenic bolt
likewise history has generals that arent afraid to use numbers cause they know their side can take the casualties
imperium'd be no different, theyd rather not sustain heavy losses but if achieves goals then it achieves it
storm jungle
Bad writing is still bad writing
in the end these are old middle aged dudes whos knowledge for most of this stuff comes from wikipedia or other books
novel fulcrum
classic krieg: the front is at a standstill, and maneuvering to make a major advance would lead to severe losses, but we can be the sacrificial lamb upon the altar of the God-Emperor!
new krieg: i'm not immediately killing heretics or dying in a trench? time to draw my shovel and commit suicide by no-man's land
scenic bolt
Im not seeing the disconnect here?
novel fulcrum
u rite
odd sparrow
U should
scenic bolt
like the guard are gonna have a lot of difference in how theyre raised, and used
hence why something like catachan is wildly different from something like armageddon
like theyre not space marines here where theyre largely more uniform
novel fulcrum
well, the major difference in that example was that the kriegers originally didn't go out with the intention of getting themselves killed
storm jungle
^
scenic bolt
its a highlight of the exigency of the imperium
odd sparrow
The circumstances of this war mean our only realistic option is a gruelling, static attrition, and we're happy to sacrifice ourselves to maintain it
vs
My only goal in life is dying as soon as possible
scenic bolt
no the krieg lore isnt what Im talking about I shouldve been clearer
that I agree I shouldve replied at
but more in general I disagree with the general notion that the guard are some smartly raised, smartly utilized real world analogue
when it's more varied in lore than that
some regs are some arent
odd sparrow
They're trained soldiers, them being dumb lemmings will never feel reasonable
scenic bolt
but they arent
novel fulcrum
well sure, but that also implies that all, or at least a majority of real world military are used smartly :^)
scenic bolt
thats what the pdf and conscripts are
odd sparrow
PDFs exist to be the dumb lemmings, they're not the ones that are valued enough to be taking ships off their homeworld
odd sparrow
well sure, but that also implies that all, or at least a majority of real world ...
True, military competence is a myth
But yeah like, IG being written as dumb meat grinder vibes is what annoys people. Imo it's fine insofar as it's made clear that they're only in those circumstances cus of administrative negligence, like iirc the whole premise of 15 hours is catachans get assigned to horrifically inappropriate warzone
novel fulcrum
even parts of the complex with the best of intentions end up being the dumbest of ass, like contracting out for equipment to the lowest bidder while also being charged several magnitudes more for it than a consumer version would
odd sparrow
Yeah ofc not
scenic bolt
but should that mean that all shouldnt then?
odd sparrow
There's like a million guard novels
novel fulcrum
munitorum hijinx are pretty perfect though, never change, bureaucrats
odd sparrow
but should that mean that all shouldnt then?
,, yes cus it's bad
scenic bolt
cause that just inches it closer to a uniformity that probably wouldnt exist
the bits where they are used as fodder sets itself apart from the parts that dont
it's contrast
its easier to portray creed's credentials and acumen to a higher degree when you have that incompetency or uncaring to reflect against
or tanith or cain or other non-SM protags
I mean artful or not it's baked into the setting wholesale
cerulean wagon
cause that just inches it closer to a uniformity that probably wouldnt exist
its less about making it uniform and more about making the extreme not the norm again. All recent Guard lore has cherry picker the worst possible statistics and attirudes and gone "this is now the norm for all guard"
Take 15 hours as ratty mentioned, an admin error sends catachan jungle fighters to some cold, snowy trench war against orks. hense the survival rate average of 15 hours because the one specific front is just that bad.
Since this book tho 15 hours has now become the average for all fronts, because other writers just copied that statistic
tiny nova
yeah your average fortress world isn't gonna have the 15 hour stat unless if the guard gets so bored that they throw themselves off of the walls or something
frosty cobalt
cause that just inches it closer to a uniformity that probably wouldnt exist
wait dont all guardsmen get the same uplifting primer? thats already p uniform
final spruce
supple plume
classic krieg: the front is at a standstill, and maneuvering to make a major adv...
Yes, there are alot of people who think that way... fuck those shovel worshipping ding dongs.
I am a major Krieg fan but holy shit do I hate those spade junkies.
I know it's a meme but when you talk about krieg as just shovel wielding maniacs .
You just lost all my respect.
alpine ingot
I mean... if it was a Krieg Engineer with the shovel I wouldn't bat an eye
plush mason
if i had to pick between my entrenching spade and my knife to battle a chain axe holding mad man im using the shovel
plush mason
enjoy getting your head caved in i guess
all entreching spades have an axe like edge that can easily split a person's skull open
its to help break thru hard sod
tiny nova
and ur a dumb human vs a heretic astartes so ur most likely dead before you draw it
plush mason
mortal heretics also use chain axes and other melee weapons
supple plume
And so many people forget that a gun+ bayonet is a spear which has longer reach than an axe or shovel ....
tiny nova
I've never seen a mortal heretic with a chain axe, 90% of the time if a chain axe is getting used its by a heretic astartes because it was regularly used before the fall
cause iirc chain axes pull on power armor to function "better"
alpine ingot
I am drawing a blank on that point as well, it is either orks or astartes I see with them.
tiny nova
chainsword, sure. it's probably one of those dumbhammer things where nothing is stopping anyone from doing it but it's not a broached topic.
coral dew
In the end, to my knowledge the whole Krieg = shovel thing is just a WWI meme, in lore they focus on bayonets
plush mason
oh i know. im just saying there are instanses where the shovel is a better option
coral dew
Of course, if you have an enemy in your trench you would revert back to exactly what they did in WWI, in trenches you used the improvised melee weapons you made or you reverted to your shovel or, if you had it, a dagger. Out of trenches soldiers went back to bayonets since the length from your target would save you.
vs in the trench when it would only hinder you to maneuver it.
plush mason
yup
tiny nova
The instances where a shovel is a better option : You are digging a hole and you've placed your weapon on the ground
plush mason
and what do the death korps specialize in? trench warfare so they tend to spend more time in a trench than out of one
alpine ingot
My whole comment about the engineers with shovels was more or less a call to the fact that Krieg engineers do a fair bit of tunnel fighting if they are being tasked to mine enemy emplacement, and whilst their first line is their trusty shotguns, you never know if you are going to be caught off guard with a pick or shovel in hand and fight off a counter mine team.
coral dew
Not to mention in most fights in trenches both sides resort to melee because shooting will just end up hitting other dead bodies or reloading risks you
plush mason
yup
tiny nova
Do you think the guard just run around digging random trenches without support from eachother? the guys who are digging are being covered by the guys with guns
plush mason
knives shovels pickaxes axes and clubs and hammers
coral dew
They don't just dig trenches, but also you're talking about massive scale warfare, there will be too many enemies, you get overrun and your buddies can't cover you
Or if you're assaulting a trench you're in the trench where you aren't getting covered.
Trenches are like 6-7 ft deep, you have 0 line of site unless you're right on top of it.
There's a reason trench warfare was so brutal and you didn't have your friends covering you irl, just look at WWI for the justification
tiny nova
If you are in a trench, the trench is already dug, so you should have a better weapon out (engineers have shotguns, you know what the best part about a shotgun is? It don't fuckin miss) if you are digging a trench you should 1. be doing it before a massive assault, not during or 2. digging out a collapsed area and if you get into a fight you are using the shovel because it's there not because it's your first choice
coral dew
Of course a shovel isn't their first choice, I don't think anyone is arguing that point, not to mention reference my previous point, there becomes a point where maneuvering your weapon and shooting is just going to hit either nothing or a dead body, hence why irl in trenches most fighting devolved to melee based or explosives.
plush mason
yup
alpine ingot
Depending on how shit something is going, there are moments in guard stories where they have taken a large rock and bashed someone's head in because they couldn't grab their weapon or some other event caused them to lose it temporarily
coral dew
The point is, for me at least, the shovel meme is just a dumb meme people get super salty over because "muh super sci-fi world that simple fighting technology doesn't work" and that it's actually a very real and for sure tactic that will be used in the future if trench warfare becomes common place.
tiny nova
The closest analog we have is ww1 but there are many different factors in 40k that aren't there in ww1
coral dew
No matter how futuristic we get, we will still devolve into the simplest technology to kill when needed, even up to the Vietnam war you had men literally biting each other in brawls to kill one another, Civil War men bit each other's ears off.
Of course, but the Krieg aren't put into those factors.
plush mason
The closest analog we have is ww1 but there are many different factors in 40k th...
melee is even more common in 40k than in ww1 so your point is moot
coral dew
The Krieg are only used in that specific form of warfare where the tech they're using isn't necessary to be super futuristic.
Not to mention even if you look at weapons used in most of 40k, it's not seriously advanced.
Most of their weaponry could be functional today.
Especially the Imperium (besides plasma/lasguns)
plush mason
a stubber is more or less just a M2
tiny nova
I am less talking about the soldier's gear and more about the state of armored warfare is closer to a ww2 analog.
coral dew
Which I think is the whole point of most of the weapons in the Imperium, it's meant to be scary that 38 thousand years from now and the weapons are still majorly resembling our weapons today.
plush mason
the death korps uses ww1 tactics in the 41st millium
coral dew
I am less talking about the soldier's gear and more about the state of armored w...
Armored warfare becomes completely moot in trenches though, even modern day tanks (if the need arises and trench warfare returns) would be relatively moot in trenches.
vast frigate
Listen if the enemy doesnt know what the fuck you are doing; youre doing good
coral dew
^ They dig mining tunnels to blow up enemy positions, remember that's their primary purpose.
They hold the line of trenchwork to make sure the enemy can't move forward, being covered by ships and intense trench guns, then in the mean time they continue to dig to get under enemy positions and blow them up.
plush mason
yeah and you can fire a lasgun or any gun in a seige mine. everyone would be deafend or blined by it
coral dew
You can hit an enemy from above all day but they'll just move underground, hence you blow them up from underneath and the whole position becomes a crater and totally unusable.
Not to mention 0 space, they're big enough for a crawling man
plush mason
yup
tiny nova
But the two wars were drastically different, Maginot line ring any bells? I am not saying that they don't use ww1 tactics or that trench warfare is obsolete, I am saying that drawing comparisons to modern day has to be done with a grain of salt. Bottom line the enemy that goes after you is going to be using a weapon with larger reach, you don't get to choose where the enemy strikes so having a hafted bladed TOOL against a weapon already puts you at the backfoot
coral dew
I mean yeah, that's kind of the point of them using the tool in the first place, it shows the desperation.
plush mason
no matter what universe. a spade will always have a reach advantage over a knife
alpine ingot
that depends on the regiment
plush mason
true
tiny nova
Also this discussion spawned off the point of @plush mason saying they would pull out a shovel against a chain axe
plush mason
some 40k knives are just swords lol
alpine ingot
some "knives" should honestly be classed as short swords with how fucking massive they are
coral dew
I mean I wouldn't, but also if I were a Krieg I wouldn't mind because I'm bred to die and dying forgives me of my sins.
tiny nova
if you have time to reach for something, reach for your shotgun and hope enough of your lads are doing the same and maybe you stand a chance
coral dew
Standing a chance isn't the purpose though
plush mason
Also this discussion spawned off the point of <@!526187356114386955> saying they...
i was basing that off the krieg animation where a krieger uses one to battle a cultist with a chain axe
coral dew
Keep in mind these guys want to die
In the end, they want to destroy the enemy sure
But their primary purpose is in the end to die for the Emperor
I'm sure they hope their lads can cover them and they would go for the shotgun vs another weapon
However they would still charge forward and die
tiny nova
i was basing that off the krieg animation where a krieger uses one to battle a c...
anything can happen in a fan animation
plush mason
i know that doesnt change the fact it was a good example of HOW to use a spade in hand to hand combat
coral dew
Which is why I really think the Cadians are the only real modern comparison to our military today
They aren't just fanatical bred to die people, they're generally real humans in super terrifying wars
tiny nova
Yeah I could make a video where a fork blocks a lightsaber but that doesn't mean thats how it actually works
coral dew
Hence why I love the image of the soldier about to shoot himself with his sidearm whenever the other soldier comes above him being melted by the Necron's weapons
A real person when backed into the corner and extremely unstable mentally from seeing those horrors (depending on the person) would probably end themselves vs be de-atomized
Instead of pulling a shovel and trying to dig it into the Necron's head
Though you would have ones that still would do that instead of going out hiding
tiny nova
If I understood what a necrons gun was doing I'de rather die by most other things first too
coral dew
I think most understand at this point, at least if you're fighting them
tiny nova
I don't think theres really a way to understand how actually painful it is without knowing the full science/experiencing it though
plush mason
coral dew
At least they understand the gun is basically melting the person away, de-atomizing in my mind at least would be similar to burning through acid
Though nobody has ever de-atomized so we don't know, it could also be entirely painless since your nerves are de-atomizing as well.
coral dew
I don't think theres really a way to understand how actually painful it is witho...
Nah, the only idea they have is hearing the screams and seeing the faces of those being de-atomized.
Hence why even in modern warfare scenarios soldiers have preferred to kill themselves rather then be burned or gassed.
tiny nova
It's written to be as it like "firing all of your pain receptors at once" or something like that iirc. Also throwing your weapon down like that and giving up your reach is a dumbass move, you're better off just running in and jabbing them in the gut with your bayonet just because it got fried doesn't mean the point blade at the end isn't sharp anymore.
vast frigate
no matter what universe. a spade will always have a reach advantage over a knife
how longs yer knife chief
plush mason
like 3 inches
vast frigate
: )
coral dew
It's written to be as it like "firing all of your pain receptors at once" or som...
I have no idea the reference tbh so you probably know more than me personally.
But yeah, imo it would also be a bad move, however keep in mind every person is different.
plush mason
an axe is more than 2x that and heavy enough to snap the knife blade on impact
vast frigate
just for a note
coral dew
And also, when burning you lose most ability to see or hear (take that from a firefighter) so charging at the enemy isn't very possible
vast frigate
necron weapons strip atom layers
tiny nova
Assuming they can parry it, though the cultist didn't look very skilled to begin with because he lost to a shovel.
vast frigate
so every time an arc of electricity strikes you, you pretty much lose a layer of skin or body
coral dew
Assuming they can parry it, though the cultist didn't look very skilled to begin...
Cultist are just everyday humans right?
Not inherently soldiers
plush mason
some are others are PDF and IG
tiny nova
I am talking about this specific one, and no because they have different levels of corruption so it really varies on a case to case, this one is a jobber though
coral dew
Also, I'm out of my depth when talking about Necrons though so I apologize to you guys if I say anything incorrect.
Same with really micro things like cultist levels and stuff, I'm still overall learning a lot of the specifics.
tiny nova
The thing is, there are not too many "universal" specifics because 40k is a council of hack-fraud writers who email eachother once a month
plush mason
lol
tiny nova
when you get to the minutia that is
plush mason
facts
tiny nova
probably negative if anything
tiny nova
but not like in a meaningful way, like you've got psoriasis or are like extra angry due to brain chemistry
tiny nova
I'll have to talk to Dan about it over dinner, he does cultists pretty well from his books that I've read
coral dew
vast frigate
automatic, programmable and aimable underground drills bombs (bunkerbusters but from trench wall to trench wall), flamers, heavy bolters, mortars,
tiny nova
dkk being a forgeworld army makes it so that the most exposure they get is fan content which focuses on specific aspects of dkk, and its not like FW does any marketing things like having animations made or stuff of that nature, gw is better about it (relatively) but they buyout recasts of cadians and sell them at markup so they end up in most of their stuff.
plush mason
what exactlly is FW and GW's relationship?
tiny nova
I am not sure on the specifics but I know they are two separate websites and that FW prefers easily broken in travel resin
plush mason
so thats what the resin memes are about
tiny nova
yeah and finecast, I am doing some googling on it, FW is a subsidiary I believe
plush mason
ah
vast frigate
basically
GW made a secondary company called forgeworld
its mainly for taxes but they make the extended sales models for things you dont generally want in plastic
Well, used to
plastic titans would still be a nightmare
tiny nova
Yeah that and like fluff units
plush mason
plastic titans would still be a nightmare
could that even work?
vast frigate
it could
tiny nova
ahem like the Horus Heresy
vast frigate
plastic is more structurally sound
resin has to be full
the reason they make titans in resin is because they can make 1 at a time
stuff like that in a thousands-euros steel mold would be a nightmare to return investment
plush mason
true
vast frigate
Resin molds are hard and expensive too but they can be put on storage and pulled out for casting when singular orders come in
plush mason
FW should invest in a 3d printer 😛
vast frigate
they have
plush mason
smart
vast frigate
casting a mold and making them from masters is still more sound and well done
MOST modelling work for molds is done with 3d
nowadays
tiny nova
I want a rewrite of all the horus heresy novels from the POV of a redneck inquisitor who explains everything as if it was a wwe storyline
vast frigate
Forgeworld/GW has had 3d printers since 2012 iirc
plush mason
i cant even remember 2012 lol
vast frigate
seen in every round model from that time as the things have heavy print lines
shoulders and round components are the most obvious
plush mason
so every SM ever made from 2012 onward
plush mason
i mean there isnt a lot on a SM model that isnt round or shoulders
vast frigate
this model is then printed, and from that print is cast a master Cast
from the master cast a master mold is made, with this mold they make sprues which are THEN turned over to make new molds for mass production
plush mason
i see
vast frigate
this makes it so that you dont suffer from massive model shrinkage over years
since a model shrinks by about 1% when a model is made
So the master model can be pulled out to make a new mold to replace a broken one
plush mason
so the primaris mold could shrink to firstborn size with enough time and useage?
lol
plush mason
im sure
hell i was thinking it would take decades and millions of models to make it reach that point
vast frigate
sort of i guess?
i mean if firstborn are about a head and a half shorter, the real old ones
itd take 30 consecutive casts from every new model in a row to get to that point?
coral dew
i mean if firstborn are about a head and a half shorter, the real old ones
Side note, how much is a "head" unit in feet?
vast frigate
im talking models
vast frigate
lmao its fine
errant mauve
lol
The master mold would probably break before this happens haha
Its why a lot of FW models suddenly go off the stores
Master mold broke
plush mason
i know nothing of that whole proccess so lol
errant mauve
as a tl;dr
sometimes the OG mold for a model breaks after too many casting processes
and you can't exactly replicate the model anymore
or rather, you could but the results would become drastically lower in quality
It's a big issue for pre-CAD forgeworld models since they master molds were made for handsculpts
vast frigate
The master mold would probably break before this happens haha
thats why the master mold isnt used to make the actual models
the master mold is used to make production molds
The models we get are... 3rd down the line?
errant mauve
That's what I'm saying lol
The master mold would probably break from making different molds before a primaris shrinks down to firstborn size
vast frigate
Its
Master model > ------------ > Original casts > new mold > \// ---------> Production mold + models
----------------< First Mold> //\\ ----------------------- Model vault
vast frigate
its just for the visual
errant mauve
Also it should probably be noted that resin molds and plastic molds share some differences
vast frigate
yeah this is just resin models
Plastic models just go straight to master steel and then to production
since steel injection molds can handle a lot more
buoyant berry
.
high anchor
you know i just got done watching dune 4 the 2nd time and i was thinking IF DUNE CAN GET AN AMAZING FILM Y CAN 40K LIKE DAFAQ. Y CANT GW MAKE A WARHAMMER CINMATIC UNIVERSE THATS LIVE ACTION!!! this is grox shit
like imagine a marvel like Warhammer cinematic universe
you can make 2 movies alone on the fall of cadia and climaxing with the resurrection of gulliman.
you can make a tv show on the horus heresy
u can make a madmax like movie about necromunda
all live action
i know its not going to happen but its fun 2 dream
supple plume
strange that i have never seen a death korps trooper using one
The grenadiers have Heavy flamer weapon teams
Ah the good time before the compendium put most of our unique units into legends ...
final spruce
Well you guys now have the most recent guard minis and I imagine that your faction is coming in full plastic with the guard overall
smoky ferry
lucky krieg, rip my beloved steel legion
vapid tiger
you know i just got done watching dune 4 the 2nd time and i was thinking IF DUNE...
cringe
vapid tiger
you can make 2 movies alone on the fall of cadia and climaxing with the resurre...
cringe
vapid tiger
you can make a tv show on the horus heresy
mega cringe
vapid tiger
u can make a madmax like movie about necromunda
based
odd sparrow
like imagine a marvel like Warhammer cinematic universe
why would i want to imagine that
that's awful
storm jungle
why would i want to imagine that
BECAUSE 40K IS SO COOL AND BADASS BROSKI
DID YOU KNOW, THAT THE IMPERIAL GUARD DIE 1 MINUTE INTO DUTY
THE IMPERIAL SHIPS ALSO GO THROUGH SPACE HELL, WHICH IS AWESOME
FUCK YOU STAR WARS AND STAR TREK
😎
odd sparrow
real talk, a dune vibe 40k thing could be really cool. Cus 40k as a setting is def very experiential, it's good cus of the atmosphere and ~vibes~ and not for anything intellectual
but GOD do not be putting mcu shit into GWs head we don't need this
storm jungle
Same
Dune worked so well because its scope is massive
the problem is a big budget 40k movie like that would never happen, Dune's aesthetic is brutalist but simplistic.
40k is a visual pukefest.
odd sparrow
Yeahhh true. For something on that sort of scale to work like, every shot would have so much shit going on just cus of how grisly and animated 40ks art style is
and GW would just never pay for it
storm jungle
^
odd sparrow
But in the hypothetical faerie world in which it could happen, it would fit the setting to a T
combined universe blockbuster movie vibes would not
storm jungle
Yup, the problem as usual is 40k will never be too popular with something akin to Star Wars.
as much as id love to see the universe get sucked dry by corpos i can live with this too
odd sparrow
there's a reason why GW can't keep a coherent storyline going for even a few novels
odd sparrow
as much as id love to see the universe get sucked dry by corpos i can live with ...
same, at least the worst we have to worry about is bad authors
not corpo dementors
coral dew
Honestly, in a perfect world where you have a director and entire team as passionate as Villeneuve you could make a pretty amazing 40k movie
snow tundra
the problem is a big budget 40k movie like that would never happen, Dune's aesth...
Chad Dune enjoyer 😎
coral dew
Dune is fucking amazing
snow tundra
Instantly became one of my new favorite universes
coral dew
Same, I saw the 1984 movie and thought it was goofy and fun, then I started reading and I fell in love
snow tundra
I couldn't finish the original movie
coral dew
That’s understandable lol, I love bad movies so I was a fan of it. Plus I recognized that the actors really did try, they just had awful direction
storm jungle
Yeah the movie might be TECHNICALLY bad/terrible but
coral dew
I will always hope that the Jodorowsky’s dune was made
storm jungle
the problem is Dune's scope was simply way too big
you could never fit it into a single movie
coral dew
Yeah
storm jungle
Lynch's tried but alas
vast frigate
i love the scand screen
coral dew
Lynch's tried but alas
Some of the ideas they used were pretty amazing too
snow tundra
I hope we get the trilogy, that's what this guy wants to do
coral dew
Using microscopic glass in the worm scenes so it would act like sand with miniatures
I do too, Woof. I would really love him to at least attempt to do the God Emperor too but iirc he said he’s not too sure he wants to because of how “psychedelic” and complex the movie would be to make. He mentions that making Dune is hard enough but the other factors would make it even more so
alpine ingot
Just think of Judge Dredd as a spiritual movie about the Adeptus Arbities and you have 1 40k movie
prisma lark
Event Horizon is a 40k movie about humanity's first experiments with Warp travel, change my mind (hint: you can't)
supple plume
Well you guys now have the most recent guard minis and I imagine that your facti...
I wouldn't be so sure about it .
Having a Killteam doesn't automatically mean we get a full army in plastic.
I hope so but not likely
coral dew
Event Horizon is a 40k movie about humanity's first experiments with Warp travel...
Event Horizon is honestly the only movie I've seen that is actually comparable to 40k, and it's also one of my favorite movies
final spruce
I wouldn't be so sure about it .
Having a Killteam doesn't automatically mean ...
So far , with the leaks it seems likely
barren tapir
The leaks! What does they mean?!
muffled gas mask noises
I can't understand shit!
smoky ferry
it's probably a good tester unit, if sales are good they might make similar stuff. Probably why we are seeing corsairs tested out in killteam too. It's a good stepping stone
start in FW, test in killteam
potent swift
NGL, Kill Team is pretty good way to test the waters on potential new stuff
dim totem
Lynch's tried but alas
i liked it for what it was
after seeing some jodorowsky films i kind of wonder what his rendition would have been like, probably even more offkey than lynchs but hey
but im a sucker for crappy old sfx
odd sparrow
When you have a book with way more material & imagery than can be fit into a movie at the time, ur first goal is to translate it over in a manner that preserves the spirit of the og
not every detail
The new dune is basically the perfect example of how u adapt dense media into cinema
dim totem
yeah, i heard it was more on cue
still havent seen it though
my movie watching buddy saw it with his brothers without me
betrayed
odd sparrow
I'd highkey recommend it in a proper cinema, if you can find one
it benefits a lot from proper sound systems
One of my overall fav films ever made just for how experiential it is
dim totem
i was at my parents house this weekend and they made fun of me for that lol
why is it so loud?
"THE CINEMA EXPERIENCE"
odd sparrow
based
ngl i could never have smthn like that at home, i'm v conscious of my noise levels at all times
hence why i exclusively use headphones
dim totem
youre a better person than i am
if this isnt happening to your face are you really watching a movie?
one of my friends has a home cinema at his parents house
one time we watched the star wars prequels and at moments i could feel the couch shake
dim totem
guess thats how your house is when your mum marries rich twice in a row
cursive hull
I saw Alien: Covenant in the theatre.
It was the free senior party my highschool did.
It was fun, got to keep the poster
But the movie was shite
dim totem
I saw Alien: Covenant in the theatre.
It was the free senior party my highschoo...
i wish i had movie posters, if i ever decide to spend more money ill splurge on that
cursive hull
But eh, Free Pizza and popcorn was nice
cursive hull
I have this specific poster: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BYzVkMjRhNzctOGQxMC00OGE2LWJhN2EtNmYyODRiMDNlM2ZmXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMTMxODk2OTU@._V1_.jpg
dim totem
enlighten me though
odd sparrow
I have this specific poster: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BYzVkMjRhNzc...
hot
cursive hull
lol
dim totem
ive seen a couple of films in the alien and predator franchises
why is covenant so bad?
odd sparrow
crippling theocracy
cursive hull
Brainless main characters, too artsy for its own good
odd sparrow
oh wait
dim totem
i thought it was alright but i hear it might retcon quite a bit
dim totem
i say ive seen a few because i dont know much about lore
dim totem
ive seen all those films in the wrong order and years apart
cursive hull
They literally raw dog it their first time on an alien world
They then, rightfully, get contaminated.
dim totem
Without environmental gear
(i watch a lot of star trek so my suspension of disbelief was in action on that)
cursive hull
I think the main thing I think people hated, aside from the main characters doing that in a franchise where environmental scans can fail...
Is David
dim totem
i too dont like michael fassbender
cursive hull
David being the "Creator of the Xenomorph as we know it" is deeply offensive.
So, everyone refuses to accept it
Besides, they fucked the life cycle up
Xenomorph's don't start as little translucent mini mes
dim totem
David being the "Creator of the Xenomorph as we know it" is deeply offensive.
yeah i got to say
on first viewing i didnt get that
on second viewing i didnt know enough about the franchise to care
but yeah i guess like
havng the big bad manmade did take away a bit, i can imagine
cursive hull
The original concept for the Xenomorph is a lot better
dim totem
was that explained in alien v predator or something?
cursive hull
We don't know where it comes from, we just know that its the most dangerous creature humanity has ever encountered.
cursive hull
was that explained in alien v predator or something?
AVP does not cross over between universes
cursive hull
Aliens, AVP, and Predator each have different explanations
dim totem
ohhh
cursive hull
And no, AVP is only canon to AVP, not to Alien/Aliens or Predator
dim totem
alrighty, did not know that
cursive hull
AVP is basically melding the two together as best they can
its okay, but it isn't canon in specifically Aliens or Predator settings.
dim totem
yeah ok
cursive hull
So, in Alien, we dunno where the Xenomorph's come from.
In AVP, the Yautja (The Predator species) found the Xenomorph homeworld, and use them as sorta the gold standard hunt.
In Predator... Well, its kinda gone off the rails but the Yautja are better documented than the Xenomorphs by now.
dim totem
what i might hate is that if david created the xenomorph, them being a relatively young species feels less interesting
or dislike, not hate
i kind of got the message that david modified the xenomorph species somehow to be more humanoid but didnt think much of it
cursive hull
Yeah... As far as Aliens asserts, the Xenomorph species is ancient. Truly so.
And, from what I understand.
The intent was that David reverse engineered the Black Goo into the modern Xenomorph.
The Black Goo being a bioweapon created by the Engineers.
The Engineers have trouble fitting in these days... Thanks Prometheus.
Anyway, the Engineers in original Alien/Aliens canon had some kind of fascination or encounter with the Xenomorphs. So far as we can tell, they got wiped out in some massive infection event.
I still hate what they did with Prometheus
Don't Show us the Engineer.
its better if we don't know their motivations, or even what they looked like
Their purpose in the story is to be the hyper advanced race that came before that failed to deal with them.
So it makes you wonder how humans even have a chance.
Matter of fact
They sorta kinda...
There's the Space Jockey's and the Engineers.
Prometheus has truly fucked the distinction by merging them but they are supposed to be two different species
potent swift
Prometheus made the cardinal sin of explaining shit that didn't need to be explained
cursive hull
Exactly
And did it worse
Again, the xenomorph is scarier if its just naturally occurring and relatively rare.
potent swift
All they had to was make a horror movie with a xenomorph but Ridley Scott had to get all fancy with it
dim totem
in the end im pretty content with just seeing alien and aliens as headcanon
cursive hull
He's changing what didn't need to be changed.
dim totem
Do people actually still consider ridley scott to be an excellent producer and director?
that man has made a lot of stinkers in my book
cursive hull
He's good at visual design, but if he isn't wrangled in and kept in check (Much like George Lucas) he over thinks his movies
(Or, in Covanent's case, underthinks them)
He has the capacity to make gems, but without the right crew keeping him in line he'll default to making pretty niche or terrible crap
potent swift
The Martian was the last movie he directed that I watched and I recall that being pretty good. At the very least he didn't gut the book too badly
cursive hull
Yeah, the Martian was pretty good, all things considered.
dim totem
i really liked the duelists, alien, the original blade runner, black hawk down
with him as director
gladiator, robin hood, kingdom of heaven i think are really watchable but with big flaws
i still want to see the last duel but my expectations arent super high
ive also yet to see hannibal and matchstick men
other movies im not super interested in
snow tundra
i still want to see the last duel but my expectations arent super high
Last Duel was pretty good
it's a very slow burn though, a very slow burn
dim totem
i got a big boner for medieval stuff, ill watch it even if its bad
snow tundra
it's pretty good, I liked it
dim totem
oh and i think ill like thelma and louise
dim totem
it's pretty good, I liked it
and good to hear, ill suggest it for the next movie night
i think i tried torrenting it on release but yeah no luck
neat fiber
I wonder how any chaos marines look to a sister of silence because I know some are possessed by daemons fully or at least partially or have daemon infested armor and weapons and in watchers of the throne its described that daemons appear as blackened and shriveled forms more like husks than creatures
spare gate
A really buff husk maybe?
rose thorn
I wonder how any chaos marines look to a sister of silence because I know some a...
That’s how
coral dew
A really buff husk maybe?
Probably not, I imagine the shriveled form is more so to do with their morality/humanity remaining , I doubt they'd be buff.
coral dew
I wonder how any chaos marines look to a sister of silence because I know some a...
I imagine that normal humans that have been corrupted just look like slightly smaller shriveled husks of humans, however I imagine the same for Space Marines, only larger since they are harder to corrupt then humans.
Larger in height, not so much buff-ness.
Though maybe they actually look like their armor with wisps of blackened smoke coming off, or just look like their armor.
With any mutations coming out of/off of the armor looking hollow/blackened.
eternal ledge
potent swift
Must have some close ties to the Admech to get premium tech like that
gaunt vector
The Fortunate Sons chapter
storm jungle
That can’t beeeak
Its beak real
rose thorn
How the fuck is this real
plush mason
https://tenor.com/view/crow-bird-gif-8893792
corvus saying goodby to the raven guard 😛
storm jungle
How the fuck is this real
Because its 40k
rose thorn
Also, I feel like Corvus would be the next primarch to return tbh
Since he’s alive and active
And lorgar has left the warp recently
vast frigate
From what we know we will get one more chaos primarch before a loyalist
So angry ron, fullfilled grim, lorgr borgr, pertudabbo
plush mason
i mean isnt angron just locked ina box somewhere rn?
upbeat arch
Is there a canon reason the daemon primarchs arent fuckin up more shit lately?
Like i remember reading that there are rumors of Fulgrim in some fringe part of the galaxy
Why werent Fulgrim, Pert, Angron and Morty beating the shit out of Cadia during the 13th crusade?
plush mason
cuz fuck failbbadon
he could never hope to command any of them
like litterally none of the chaos primarchs respect him afaik
and if he did try to boss one around they would just stomp him flat for it and move on
upbeat arch
Yeah he probably wouldnt have succeeded with the petulance of the other primarchs messing things up
plush mason
yeah they would have just done their own things and made it all more complicated
upbeat arch
How’s Magnus been holding up?
plush mason
he got his revenge on fenris so ima assume good
plush mason
sad space wolf noises
vapid tiger
Has he gone insane from his ascension?
Yes and that's old news
upbeat arch
Yeah if i read that news i wouldnt be asking that question
vapid tiger
Man literally turned his closest advisors into automaton slave sorcerers called the blades of magnus because they wanted to undo his daemon princedom
upbeat arch
I never really got into magnus
Just started to do some reading
Seems like a pretty cool guy
vapid tiger
Though I'm sure some hack fan writer will eventually be hired by gw and have him be redeemed or w/e because "lol fuck chaos and anyone who plays it"
plush mason
building an empire in real space iirc
upbeat arch
oh no shit
What about that bit I read where he’s been infected by the fleshmetal virus? Is that a fan theory?
alpine ingot
no clue.
and this is a personal theory of mine, but if any loyalist primarchs were going to come back, it'd be the Khan, Corax, or the Lion as the next one since they have a lot of potential to constantly but heads with Guilliman and the rest of the Imperium at this moment.
upbeat arch
I feel like corax might be too far gone
alpine ingot
depends if he can control it.
upbeat arch
Like hes too much of a beast
Trye
True
I like this fantheory i made up
That The Lion is alive and has been active for thousands of years
alpine ingot
Konrad did some freaky shit in Guillimans palace with his whole shadow melding nonsense
upbeat arch
Silently conducting things through Cypher and stuff
It would explain why Cypher was so pivotal in the resurrection of guilliman
upbeat arch
Konrad did some freaky shit in Guillimans palace with his whole shadow melding n...
???
Konrad dead af
alpine ingot
talking about Horus Heresy
alpine ingot
my point was control, which Konrad in that sense had some control of that power, no control of his visions though
frosty cobalt
my point was control, which Konrad in that sense had some control of that power,...
The true prophet of the emperor
upbeat arch
“I know who you are, Father. And I know full well what you intend to do with me.”
(Quote went something like that)
alpine ingot
if Corax is show to have control of his crow form and can return to his "mortal" form it'd be interesting to see how well the Imperium and Guilliman handles that.
upbeat arch
Corax reeaaallly didnt like slavery
I wonder what he’ll think…
About the new imperium
alpine ingot
probably really angry
then somewhere halfway through a book someone will gather the nerves to yell at him "what did you expect to happen when you and your brothers abandoned the Imperium nearly 10 thousand years ago"
frosty cobalt
And then he will just spill the beans
frosty cobalt
Cause remember, only very few upper people even know about the daemon primarchs
So if someone says that he will probably just sit em down and spill
Thats what i hope atleast
alpine ingot
then both would be sad how things turned out.
frosty cobalt
Yup
alpine ingot
the Imperial realizing the primarchs didn't abandon them and were serving as a bulwark in a sense, and the Primarch realizing that despite his efforts the Imperium still became twisted.
Corax would probably then form his own Deathwatch team or gather a group of demon hunters to hunt down Lorgar or any other Chaos champion stomping about in real space.
upbeat arch
That would be sick
alpine ingot
I'm just throwing stuff out that'd make sense but wouldn't shift power so much to really change the setting.
potent swift
On the one hand, the last thing 40k needs is yet another Space Marine sub-faction. On the other, Corax Inc does sound pretty badass.
rose thorn
I think I might start a tryanid army
And all of the tryanid color schemes fucking slap
Im looking at fleets Jormungandr
Hyrda
Tiamet
And Ouroborius
Im thinking maybe Ouroborius because I already have a lot of models I need to paint black
Idk i know almost nothing about tryanids so I Gotta learn more
cursive hull
The nids are indeed quite neat.
Not the army I'd choose personally, but they have plenty of great models.
rose thorn
Yeah, definitely, I love the biopunk insect style of them
muted shore
I'd consider waiting a bit to start a nids army until the new codex drops though. If anything sooner beforehand snag an 8th edition start collecting box cause they'll come out with a new starter kit later this year
And the start collecting boxes and a lot of the combat patrol boxes mesh pretty well together for a basic 1k points a lotta the time
atomic pelican
Yee, the combat patrol boxes have been p good
Tho the current nid SC isnt too good imo
Wew it still has genestealers in 8's
Omegasad
void python
Yo can anyone explain the Horus Heresy to me like I’m 5? I can’t read
snow tundra
lmfao
vast frigate
Yo can anyone explain the Horus Heresy to me like I’m 5? I can’t read
18 kids, all drug enhanced, half of them become religious, one stabs dad
void python
18 kids, all drug enhanced, half of them become religious, one stabs dad
Fkn amazing ty
muted shore
Tho the current nid SC isnt too good imo
It's not great but it's ok for like expanding on a different tyranids set. Like as a supplementary force it aint terrible
atomic pelican
Yee I vibe witg that
I think the main thing that makes a SC good is being able to buy multiple and actually be able to use everything
muted shore
Yeah
atomic pelican
The broodlord and uhh trygon you dont need many of
muted shore
Tho I definitely agree that the combat patrol boxes have as a whole just been better than the SC boxes
muted shore
Since the Tau are around the corner I've been telling people at my LGS to scoop the SC and get the CP when it drops too lmao
atomic pelican
Yeee good idea. The tau one do slap
The old Gsc one was real good too, so is their new CP
muted shore
Aint bad at all. I think crisis suits are supposed to be good from what I remember about the codex leaks but I didn't pay too much attention cause I don't play tau lmao
muted shore
I didn't know breacher teams were so good on paper either until my dad bought the SC lmao
I mean cwe are just kinda bad rn
muted shore
Heard the new codex is like 200+ pages and a much deserved upgrade tho
muted shore
Maybe ynnari will actually be worth a damn
atomic pelican
Playtesters say its stronger than pre-nerf drukhari
And yes they will be
Ynnari are supposedly getting armywide fight firs
First
And the Visarch is a beast
muted shore
Playtesters say its stronger than pre-nerf drukhari
Oof that's gonna be brutal
muted shore
Post nerf drukhari are still really good lmao
atomic pelican
My girlfriend collects Drukhari so I have that half
Yee for sure
Not the 80% WR they were tho LMAO
muted shore
My girlfriend is just starting on drukhari so she might expand into ynnari later on
atomic pelican
Pog
muted shore
Very pog
atomic pelican
Harles also are gonma be fun since drukhari and CWE now get a free harle patrol
muted shore
Now all I need is for gw to make all necron destroyers troop options at 2 ppm and I'll be happy
A free harle patrol is pretty damn good
atomic pelican
Yusss
My CWE is rather small atm but its made larger by a Wraithknight(500 pts roughly in new codex) and a small harle troupe which I plan to run
Im just glad everything is getting more elite
muted shore
You're sitting at like what 1500 ish then?
atomic pelican
Yeeee just abt
Getting the EO box soon too
And some fire dragons and deathspinner to get to 2k
muted shore
What's all supposed to be in the eo box?
atomic pelican
5 rangers, 3 shroudrunners(jetbike rangers), and the new autarch
Then the chaos half of a forgefiend, warpsmith, and chosen
Then I wanna see what the CWE CP is, and buy either that or the aforementioned Spinner and fire dragons
My main problem atm is that Dire Avengers moving to elites means my only troops will be the Rangers until they release the new guardians
muted shore
Might have to snag that chaos half. Been thinking about doing CSM once my destroyer cult list is where I want it
atomic pelican
Yesss
I wanna use the Chosen for KT
Run them as regular CSM but thet look goodo
muted shore
I still gotta get a game of the new kt in
atomic pelican
Its rlly good
muted shore
Just finally got around to finishing my DK from octarius lmao
atomic pelican
Pog
muted shore
Still gotta do the orks
atomic pelican
Yeee
Ive been playing mostly compendium teams but now Voidscarred corsairs soon
Craftworlds are p funny in it atm
Dire avengers just shit out crits all the time
muted shore
Nice
How do crons do in it generally?
Kinda wanna be dumb and run critical mass of flayed ones
atomic pelican
Oh I havent actually played against Crons but Ive heard reanimation protocols is rlly funny
Like, models can just Turn Back On
muted shore
Lmao nice
atomic pelican
Iirc someone told me it kinda works like Reanimation protocols in the AdMech game
Where they take turns to reanimate but can be destroyed
muted shore
Hopefully I'll be able to get away with the same gimmick I do in 40k of just not using warriors and immortals
atomic pelican
I think Immortals are a fire team option
muted shore
They both are but I just have a reputation at my LGS for not using troops and barely using guns lmao
atomic pelican
LMAO
muted shore
My favorite 500 pt list is a skorpekh lord, skorpekh destroyers, and flayed ones lmao
Who needs command points?
snow tundra
The admech game is very weird
snow tundra
My favorite 500 pt list is a skorpekh lord, skorpekh destroyers, and flayed ones...
I like flayed ones a lot
atomic pelican
Morale goofery is p funny tho theres
So much that just hard stumps it
I think GW is trying to make it more meaningful but usually LD doesnt matter much
Unless u just get hella unlucky
rose thorn
How do tryanids play anyhow?
final spruce
really depends how you build your list
Tyranids possess the option to run full Monster Mash, mix of hordes and monsters or mostly horde
rose thorn
Ah
How’s their like, ranger play? I enjoy usually running elite units and artillery style stuff
final spruce
They have Hive guards, one of the best artillery unit in the game and can easily kit out their biggest and smaller mosnters with numerous guns