Daemonculaba
#40k-lore-chat
spice orchid
that name brings up some memories
proper helm
Daemonculaba
We do not speak that name
quick zealot
Those aren't really sexually reproduced
Given that they're just biological astartes factories
eternal ledge
I think the creation of space marines require augmentation because being "bred" for it creates a mutant and a who eugenics situation
quick zealot
It'd be more akin to a new species
And the Emperor didn't want that
Plus letting Space Marines not need humanity to exist would be asking for even more trouble
eternal ledge
Daemonculaba
That doesn't work like that. They still have to stick a healthy aspirant into it to grow them to full space marine size
Still requires a normal human
clever kiln
That doesn't work like that. They still have to stick a healthy aspirant into it...
So a person, enters a.... Woman? And after a time gives birth to another thing, sounds close enough
chrome dragon
clever kiln
Well what do you think the people on poles with all that extra skin is for?
storm jungle
Well what do you think the people on poles with all that extra skin is for?
Yeah but thats the thing
the daemonculaba was a pretty dumb idea either way lmao
just kidnap people and make them chaos marines instead, worked for the last 2045294 years
snow tundra
That's a very specific number
storm jungle
I was too lazy to remember how much its been since the Heresy 
storm jungle
damn 😔
cerulean wagon
10 whole years
(GW let ADB retcon time skips again)
the K in 40k actually stands for kill
snow tundra
Only 40 people have died so far in this galactic war
cerulean wagon
thats as many as 4 tens
clever kiln
the daemonculaba was a pretty dumb idea either way lmao
Yah true, it was an experiment after all, but still the closest to birthing space Marines
dense glen
thats as many as 4 tens
And that is terrible
novel elk
never realized how big they are
errant mauve
never realized how big they are
Whoever made this was talking out of their ass lol
odd sparrow
yee they're nowhere near that big
that image is a meme here for how weird it is fjkhz
novel elk
yee they're nowhere near that big
Ok thank you both for the information
final spruce
I believe Dilara has the lore accurate one
Fun fact the statue of liberty is bigger than most of em
scenic bolt
you know idk if Ive ever seen how theyre transported
final spruce
Bigass ships
scenic bolt
you'd have to have a purpose built vessel for it
cause you're not landing an emperor class on a planet
scenic bolt
youd have to have something to act as the shuttle
final spruce
youd have to have something to act as the shuttle
They are actually drop-poed in
scenic bolt
you'd still need something to take em back up
unless they got really big ass teleporters
errant mauve
youd have to have something to act as the shuttle
At least back in the heresy there were 2 ways they got down
Either specialized lifter ships or titan sized "drop pods"
novel elk
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/ujGv8f7k-XabYPGfBzK95Lz9OG3F9YqvG16...
Oh That's kinda of dissapointing
scenic bolt
yea that image is based I think off the tabletop scales
final spruce
Ratty's image is actually from the book irc
errant mauve
Nah it's based off of fluff from Adtit and the novels
scenic bolt
since everythings 1:60 scale
errant mauve
We get a fair amount of sizes
cursive hull
I know for a fact that the largest Battlemech from Battletech is around the size of a Knight.
And I'm quite sure a Knight isn't too far off of a Warhound.
Like, its definitely smaller, but its not by enough to be considered "Dwarfed"
Model wise, I think the Knight comes up to the waist.
I'd wager Titans aren't super massive
scenic bolt
actually just did the math from the forgeworld specs
tabletop models are pretty much spot on with the chart
odd sparrow
there's a million different sizes in a million different books, but yeah we do have models for everything short of emperor titans
and they inherently can't be that big
cursive hull
There is, regardless of how much bullshit you try to pull, an upper limit to something that is supposed to move, especially on legs.
Course, 40k blows past that limit regardless
errant mauve
Also the fluff also backs up the chart
scenic bolt
so yea statue of liberty makes all the titans look like short stacks
odd sparrow
There is, regardless of how much bullshit you try to pull, an upper limit to som...
yee i think that 40 metres-ish is pretty reasonable for like. the absolute upper limit
it's obvs silly cus like. sir. use a tank
errant mauve
Plus a 50 metre tall death machine is still no joke
scenic bolt
until you leg it
odd sparrow
Straight up in fluff the pathways for titans are cleared in their advance
cus they apparently can't handle super rough terrain fsdghjk
scenic bolt
please sir, why are you in the mountains
please I want to use my titan
come down in this valley
errant mauve
It's weird because titan combat fluff gets weird
Like
Uncanny shit
In some books
cursive hull
I do think mechs have a place, mostly in terrain so rough that a tank can't pass.
But this is for smaller mechs (Read: Mechwarrior/battletech sized mechs, which range from tank to Imperial Knight sized.)
scenic bolt
I imagine the tau titan is the least annoying to use
odd sparrow
I can actually kinda get the functionality of mechs if it's like. A manoeuvrability vibe. So i can understand it for the lil admech chicken walkers, tau crisis suits, eldar roboghosts
errant mauve
Like Legion Fureans somehow eating a guerilla war with reaver titans in jungles and mountains?
scenic bolt
since thats basically a glorified artillery cannon with jump jets
odd sparrow
but super big ones like titans get wacky
odd sparrow
ah yes
the pinnacle of stealth
IMPOSSIBLY LOUD WAR HORN
they'll never know we're here
odd sparrow
since thats basically a glorified artillery cannon with jump jets
stormsurges don't even have jump jets afaik, they're basically just an artillery piece on legs
odd sparrow
not that much of a reason for them to be on legs and not just be a big tank, tho u could maybe try to justify it by like. idk gun too big, needs legs so they can do the stabilising thing idk
oh yeah the taunar
cursive hull
**IMPOSSIBLY LOUD WAR HORN**
they'll never know we're here
In fairness... It doesn't feel right not to have one. Its an entirely emotional attachment for me, but my big stompy robots need to have a "Voice"
odd sparrow
The taunar is,,, I can accept it purely on the grounds of its fluff basically portraying it as the megalomaniacal science project of an unhinged engineer diverting funds from stealthsuit manufacturing
which highkey fits given how ridiculous it is
cursive hull
Also, tbh.
to use a Battletech mech as an example. If you want a Mech that isn't a gun platform and actually has a real reason to have legs?
The Spider
Its got an absurd number of jump jets, its quite small (So small it has no ejection seat, the pilot must squeeze out of their seat, which requires the pilot be thin and flexible, to make their way to the escape hatch.) and fast.
It only has two medium lasers
Its a true scout
errant mauve
I like titans because they are drip
cursive hull
I mean
errant mauve
:Vibin:
cursive hull
I won't disagree
Titans are cool
I like big mechs in BT for that reason. Not a light mech guy.
odd sparrow
Also, tbh.
to use a Battletech mech as an example. If you want a Mech that isn...
yee that's a similar vibe to crisis suits, just a lil less chunky
errant mauve
I also play AT so I'm sure there's some bias 
odd sparrow
They have legs to accommodate jump jet mobility shenanigans
scenic bolt
light mechs are fun, go fast die fast
cursive hull
Well
Maybe not that small
It certainly functions like a Crisis suit though, that's true
scenic bolt
wonder how the relative powerlevels in tech between bt and 40k goes
cursive hull
Its... Pretty fucking absurd. I'm not going to lie
scenic bolt
cause I imagine at least a large lasers on par with a lascannon at least
maybe even a med
cursive hull
I'd certainly wager a medium laser is las cannon.
But
The real problem comes down to Heat
40k doesn't really give a shit about heat
Its an entire balancing issue in BT
scenic bolt
well unless it's a plasma gun
then it cares about heat
everything else no
which also has me wondering if an elemental is more a space marine or a terminator
cursive hull
Lasers generate lots of heat, Kinetics generate a little less, Missiles generate very little unless you fire two racks of missiles at once. Gauss rifles produce nearly none when actually fired but generate a notable amount while charging.
cursive hull
which also has me wondering if an elemental is more a space marine or a terminat...
Given battlefield role and performance? Space Marine
Sure, they can take on mechs
But if the Mech actually hits them?
Game over.
TBH, the mechs I feel most comfortable saying have a good chance of beating something 40k wise, be it crisis suits or Imperial Knights, are all Clan Mechs
scenic bolt
looks like eles are quarter ton of armor
which wont stop vehicle sized weps but small arms'd take awhile
other thing is battletech doesnt have shields
cursive hull
Timberwolves/Mad-Cats, Mad-Dogs/Vultures, Mad-Cat II's...
The Blood Asp is basically a miniature Warlord in terms of shape, and is the hardest hitting I can remember.
The only other mech that has a good chance is the Atlas.
cursive hull
other thing is battletech doesnt have shields
And their armor is ablative
There is no ricochets in BT
All hits will deal damage to the armor, and eventually break through.
Once that armor is gone, even HMG's will tear up a mech's insides
novel fulcrum
i dunno much about battletech, but i appreciate them having a strong industrial feel while still having some variance from the purely big stompy archetype
cursive hull
This is true
There are classes of mechs, each with their own role
And any mech can kill any mech
its all a question of pilot skill and scenario
scenic bolt
setting doesnt utilize its non-2 legged mechs much though
novel fulcrum
i also appreciate feet being a weapon option at basically all times
cursive hull
Feet, fists
scenic bolt
theyre not popular
cursive hull
Its not just that
There is a lore reason
While Mech Pilots control most mech systems manually with a HOTAS system, they are mentally linked with their machine primarily for balance and movement.
A human shaped mech is easier to keep balance in
cursive hull
yeah
BT mechs have a gyrostabilizer
But that Gyro is linked more to a pilot's sense of balance
scenic bolt
Ive never bought that myself, since more legs is generally a more stable platform
cursive hull
Well, look at it this way
novel fulcrum
i like the LANCER explaination of bipedal mechs
purely human hubris, war machines built in our image
a morale factor
scenic bolt
purely human hubris, war machines built in our image
basically
cursive hull
Light mech of 30 tons, can twist its torso 360 degrees.
I don't think a pilot much enjoys this.
novel fulcrum
cursive hull
Like, a Mechwarrior isn't as linked to their machine as a Titan pilot is?
But you still have a sort of phantom feeling while piloting a mech
Mechs which can twist their arms to face backwards or turn unnaturally are few and far between seemingly because its unnerving
novel fulcrum
so not quite becoming one, but still having that kind of visualization?
snow tundra
Oh yeah the urbanmech, giant walking trash can
cursive hull
That reactor, doesn't like heat much.
Mechs that run hot...
Well
So, you can imagine what its like in that cockpit after an alpha strike where you just fired everything you had
Potentially after using your jump jets.
It can, and does happen that a Mechwarrior cooks themself to death over the course of a battle.
novel fulcrum
oh yeah, isn't it a plot point that pilots are half naked at best because it's always at least kind of hot to pilot?
cursive hull
Depends on faction
Clanners do that, but Inner Sphere pilots these days instead wear light jumpsuits and a "cooling vest"
scenic bolt
yea star league stuff could have a ton of control, but for most IS purposes the amount of non-tactile control is in balancing
clanner stuff leans more to star league than against, but the few times theyve tried to go full SLDF kit or beyond it usually means you gotta hotwire the pilot in and they'll have a life expectancy of months
cursive hull
Not that a Clanner tends to care about that sorta thing
novel fulcrum
iron hands confirmed?
cursive hull
Eh
Clanners are, in some cases quite literally born out of tubes
They're... Different.
scenic bolt
imperium at large frequently does it too
novel fulcrum
if i could be wired into a sentinel or something as a guard operator, i'd probably take it
scenic bolt
its not unheard of to just make a pilot for a tank or plane or space ship into a glorified servitor
snow tundra
scenic bolt
just remove brain, hook brain into brain life support and slap it into the cockpit
cursive hull
That's basically the oldhammer stuff for BT
That helm is still used, but like
Its not the only one
novel fulcrum
iirc some masters of the forge are plugged into their fortress monasteries/flagships
scenic bolt
used more often for naval assets too since you now dont really have to worry about g-forces
cursive hull
That and, you'll be spending most if not all of your time shipboard anyway
novel fulcrum
just shy of an ai
cursive hull
Eh
Give me the BT method any day.
I like my Mech, but not enough to staple myself inside.
It does strike me as amusing by the way
That if BT and 40k share one thing in common
Its that piloting a big mech (unless your T'au, apparently.) gives you a hankering and natural attraction towards melee.
Mechwarriors kinda have the same attitude that Imperial Knights have?
So engaging in Fisticuffs is seen as not only viable, but sometimes preferable.
snow tundra
I wish mechwarrior actually has some king of melee options
cursive hull
(Hence why a lot of mechs ended up being built with reinforced arms and fists, so they wouldn't break anything by doing it.)
snow tundra
in the video games
snow tundra
yeah but like, viable melee options
cursive hull
My favorite mech, the Marauder, was notably built with the inevitability that some idiot would take his big shooty gun platform into melee.
So its arm pods were reinforced so you wouldn't smash the Particle projector cannons and med lasers to bits.
...Also Melee is more than viable in BT
BT (by HBS) is ultra viable
Dealing with vehicles and light mechs is often best done by kicking the piss out of them.
snow tundra
the marauder is also my favorite mech
scenic bolt
king crab melee
cursive hull
Melee is its thing
snow tundra
used to play it a ton in online
scenic bolt
squish it while dumping ac 20 into it
snow tundra
you see I want to drive that
cursive hull
Lots of different mechs in canon, anyway, have the same Hatchet system
scenic bolt
or any solaris mechs
cursive hull
The Black Knight literally has a sword and shield variant
This is canon
Its among the most 40k things BT has
scenic bolt
unless you're talking about an orkified frankenmech
cursive hull
(Aside from the Blood Asp, which I still say is the most Warhammer mech of all)
(Closely followed by the Warhammer mech.)
snow tundra
oh yeah lmao there is a warhammer mech
scenic bolt
the clanner stuff would fit right in with tau
cursive hull
oh yeah lmao there is a warhammer mech
Twin PPC's is a hell of a main armament.
But
snow tundra
its a hell of a way to overheat your mech
snow tundra
oh yeah twin gauss on fafnir is uh, something
cursive hull
In fairness
The Faf is a special case
Those are specially designed heavy gauss rifles
snow tundra
nipples of death
cursive hull
But, yeah
Firing both PPC's too fast in the WH will overheat the thing in a snap
Meanwhile
The Gauss Rifles just don't have that issue
snow tundra
but they do have the issue of very limited ammo
cursive hull
Indeed.
Which is why I like my mechs to be mostly energy based
(Stares at my Marauder)
My MAD3R in Mechwarrior Online has: Two large pulse lasers, two ER medium lasers, and a light Guass Rifle with... I think 50 rounds? Its either 50 or 45.
snow tundra
in online i had a Raven equipped with 2 large lasers
it was so fun
little sniping bird
cursive hull
I just couldn't do lights.
I've got a medium for scouting instead, an ASN-101
snow tundra
sadly, i accidently melted its entire loadout
cursive hull
(Fun fact: The Assassin gives its pilot life long back issues, because the cockpit is so tight)
snow tundra
i only like the raven with that specific build, i dont lights too much otherwise
backstabbing pirhanna is also fun though
unborn ruin
would be interesting, if a dark age A.I come back to life
snow tundra
I also have a rifleman with two rac/10s
cursive hull
My ASN-101 is specifically designed to step on Piranhas
snow tundra
that's also fun af
unborn ruin
they should have bad ass titans ^^
snow tundra
its been a while since i played
cursive hull
An ER medium laser, x3 medium lasers, and x2 SRM 4's
snow tundra
the main issue i have is mechwarrior online's resolution is turbo fucked
so it just looks awful on my widescreen moniter
you wanna play some time?
scenic bolt
I still play semi regularly
its a decent game to just dump in play a match or two and have at it
snow tundra
It's one of those games where it's VERY satisfying to get a kill
scenic bolt
theyve gotten less stingy with rewards so thats nice
cursive hull
(Side note, my earlier comment on ammo being what makes or breaks a mech for me is why the CRB-20 Crab is one of my other favorites, alongside my Marauder)
Its why my actual set of minis in my mercenary lance is made up of a Marauder, a Crab, a Wolfhound, and a Centurion.
snow tundra
my main issue with the krab is your main weapons are really low so you cant really peak, and your main weapons are also huge obvious targets
scenic bolt
for tt its not too bad
cursive hull
my main issue with the krab is your main weapons are really low so you cant real...
True.
Although, my modified crab solves this problem at least a bit by having x2 Pulse lasers and x3 ER medium lasers.
The third is on the roof of the cockpit
So I can at least fire one weapon from cover.
Sure, a single medium laser, even by Inner Sphere standards ain't much (Although the Medium Laser is bar none the most consistent weapon in setting for the IS) but at least I can fire something from cover
Although the hull down of my Marauder is better, because Light Gauss Rifle in the shoulder slot
...King of the Hull Down is definitely the Blood ASp
With the Hunchback probably being the best so far as your average medium goes.
cursive hull
yee
cursive hull
Noice
My own Marauder II has an Ac20, and a set of large and medium lasers... I forget which are ER and which are pulse.
snow tundra
I also have a mad cat with a couple of gauss rifles and bunch of lasers
cursive hull
Don't have a Mad-Cat/Timberwolf myself.
I do have a Vulture/Mad-Dog though.
quad C-ER medium lasers, and twin LRM-20's, plus TAG
cursive hull
lol, yeah, that's a popular one
snow tundra
I guess i rebuilt my sniper raven cuz i still have that, fortunately
cursive hull
Largest Clan mech I got is a Supernova with quad ATM's (I forget the number, the largest ATM racks.) and two ER medium lasers on the arms.
It... Hits like a freight train
eternal ledge
In MW5 I love my "Make Capellans go away" Marauder.
2 LP Lasers
2 MP Lasers
And a Ultra AC 5
cunning wigeon
What is the closest thing the Guard have to special forces?
final spruce
Tempestus Scions and Stormtroopers
quick zealot
What is the closest thing the Guard have to special forces?
Grenadiers
final spruce
Skelly beats me
quick zealot
Depends on the regiment really
quick zealot
Lathe World regiments can call on the Crimson Exemplars
Some regiments are special forces too
final spruce
Yeah but Crimson Examplars are Admech, not Guard
cunning wigeon
Oh okay, so they don't really have anything truly equivalent to like small elite trained groups like the S.A.S or Jaegerkorpset?
final spruce
Well they do its the Tempestus
quick zealot
The Cadians have their own group
final spruce
Or the storm troopers
quick zealot
I will not try to spell their name
final spruce
Kaskrins are just cadian stormtroopers , no need to overload with names
quick zealot
They’re their own thing
final spruce
They however fill the same role : special force
final spruce
So the difference with stormtroopers and Tempestus Matt is that USUALLY :
- Stormtroopers are the elites of veterans from their respective regiments that are further trained for special ops
- Tempestus are recruited from the Schola Progenium and are trained since Childhood and are part of the Adeptus Tempestus
cunning wigeon
Gotcha, thanks
quick zealot
Ultimately it depends on what the regiment calls them if they have it in their culture
cunning wigeon
Don't really know a whole lot about the properly human factions in 40k
Just suddenly had the idea to try and make a Jaegerkorpset styled Imperial guard unit
final spruce
Well i'm not a military nerd so lemme check quickly who they are
They do sound like they'd fit the stormtrooper trope yeah
"Denmark created a light infantry force from hunters and woodsmen."
cunning wigeon
They're similar to the special boat service but they wear some distinctly terrifying hoods to break their silhouette in water
final spruce
Power axe regiment
quick zealot
Not too sure 40k has any analogue regiments to the 3rd millennia aesthetically, but yeah they definitely fit the bill
plush mason
Tempestus Scions and Stormtroopers
arent those more or less the same thing?
quick zealot
Different
quick zealot
Scions go to college to get more knowledge, stormtroopers go straight into the jaws of hell to die forgotten in a war no one will remember
cunning wigeon
They're similar to the special boat service but they wear some distinctly terrif...
cunning wigeon
Yes the mesh hoods
plush mason
imagine 4 of that thing coming outa the lake
cunning wigeon
Boogy people
coral dew
imagine 4 of that thing coming outa the lake
There’s a reason they’re nicknamed Nøkken, after the shape shifting water spirits
storm jungle
Ngl one of my favorite thing about these guys is that one picture is like one of the few online images they have
its not like american special forces where once you google them you'll get like 19384058 pictures of them doing literally anything
cunning wigeon
I do love hearing about the SAS in the news though
plush mason
the only time you hear about most american spec opts teams is when they fuck up badly lol
cunning wigeon
Remember reading about a lone SAS soldier in Kenya teaching the local military when a hostage situation broke out in a local hotel, man just ran in on his own and resolved the situation before any could properly arrive on scene
Couple years ago now
Sorry for the big link but more details there if people are interested
What are the gellerpox infected? I'm assuming nurgle business obviously but I've never heard of them
peak hamlet
They do look kinda cringe 😩
barren tapir
People who normally should tend to the gellar field engine, which were corrupted after being influenced by chaos to drop it
Since it was nurgle they kinda fused with the gellar field engine too
Very gross imo
cunning wigeon
Yeah models show like multiple people fused into one body
barren tapir
I meant bodies fused with machinery, the gellar field machinery
Wicked irony imo
Which is perfectly in line with how nurgle operate
cunning wigeon
Then who is Harry potter for?
Most of the people I know who like it are teenage boys lol
vapid tiger
yeah well it was better in 1987
novel fulcrum
thanks, cortana booba pfp
barren tapir
Lol, cortana booba is hilarious
fading crag
The 40k universe lore is unparalleled imo
Classic tolkein fantasy b2b Lovecraft thrown 40 thousand years into the future
Brilliant recipe imo
final spruce
The setting is great, the main issue is looking throught the pile of garbage books and find the good gems
fading crag
For sure
meager gale
unparalleled, idk
plush mason
i mean isnt the whole setting of 40k just a mix of all the OG writer's fav sci fi and fantasy stuff?
meager gale
correct
plush mason
tbh i think thats the best thing about 40k
meager gale
i love 40k i just think calling it unparalled is wrong and very loaded
fading crag
Pretty much but it's evolved over the last 25 years or whatever it is now
plush mason
it takes all these different things from different works and makes them uniqe
to itself
storm jungle
Late but
40k can be easily surpassed
its not the best sci-fi setting, it just has a lot of stuff from other genres
fading crag
By what? Genuinely interested
storm jungle
its why a lot of people like it
meager gale
yeah its why i love it
storm jungle
but in the grand scheme of other universes theres a reason its so niche and unknown for the most part
storm jungle
By what? Genuinely interested
Lord of the Rings for example
just because its been around long doesnt make it automatically good
snow tundra
or Star Wars, imo
fading crag
A good example of what makes 40k great (for me) is warp speed.
plush mason
tbf marvel and dc are only widely known due to their massive movie releases
storm jungle
"they go through hell" etc etc
snow tundra
lmao
storm jungle
tbf marvel and dc are only widely known due to their massive movie releases
Not really, people just like comics
and superheroes in general
fading crag
In star wars, the just engage the "warp drive" and go fucking fast
40k they are traversing fucking hell
meager gale
yeah im super over marvel shit and most of dc's recent stuff isnt awesome but i love those things cause of comics
plush mason
Not really, people just like comics
most people today have never read a single marvel or dc comic lol they only know the movie universe. atleast in america
fading crag
But it's cool as f
snow tundra
lmfao
storm jungle
40k seems amazing at first but the universe is really shallow
fading crag
Nah
storm jungle
I know this becaus I've been into it for years
storm jungle
Then why dont we hear more about anything that isnt the Imperium
lol
It suffers from the fact that its a tabletop game
eternal ledge
meager gale
GW release exodite model line please
storm jungle
its chained down to it
snow tundra
yeah im super over marvel shit and most of dc's recent stuff isnt awesome but i ...
The new Suicide squad was actually pretty damn good
fading crag
There's more lore attached to 40k than any other sci universe I'm aware of
snow tundra
and so is the Peacemaker spinoff
meager gale
The new Suicide squad was actually pretty damn good
yeah i liked TSS, but i fuckin hate snyder lol
storm jungle
There's more lore attached to 40k than any other sci universe I'm aware of
Lots of lore doesnt equal a good universe
plush mason
its a sci fi more than anything so it sufferse from the same human savior trope that most sci fies do
snow tundra
yeah i liked TSS, but i fuckin hate snyder lol
fair
storm jungle
half of it is also usually ignored
since 40k is inconsistent af
so its not really a good example
fading crag
I love it
snow tundra
yeah i liked TSS, but i fuckin hate snyder lol
if it makes you feel better, the peacemaker show is written by james gunn, the guy who did guardians of the galaxy
plush mason
name 1 sci fi that doesnt focus most of its plot on the humans
fading crag
Have done since the 80's
meager gale
if it makes you feel better, the peacemaker show is written by james gunn, the g...
yeah ill prob check it out after all eps are out so i can binge lol
storm jungle
Vampire the Masquerade for example has tons of lore that dwarfs 40k but a lot of is pointless stuff.
so yeah same thing
cerulean wagon
Then why dont we hear more about anything that isnt the Imperium
ye, like i wish things got covered better. Like i wish creed was just dead instead of in time prison
storm jungle
LOL
snow tundra
yeah ill prob check it out after all eps are out so i can binge lol
understandable, i hate having to wait for episodes
meager gale
Vampire the Masquerade for example has tons of lore that dwarfs 40k but a lot of...
my beloved
cerulean wagon
but GW are too scared to kill off big characters
storm jungle
Yeah this too
Anyone claiming 40k is the best thing ever is just too much in love with the universe
which isnt a bad thing mind you
snow tundra
I really want to get into VTM
storm jungle
but its far from the truth
cerulean wagon
they activley retconned their own time skip less than 3 months after it happened because they realised it meant a bunch of characters would just have died
plush mason
for me the problem with 40k is its a bit to grimderp at times
cerulean wagon
i think the big issue is consistency
snow tundra
I love the constant grimdarkness
storm jungle
^
I legit hate the fact that 40k has to have so many authors
its a thing that really hurts the setting
snow tundra
I like the universe, a lot, but its definitely not the best thing out there
storm jungle
but hey money
plush mason
grimdark is why i love the setting. but some of it is a bit much
storm jungle
grimdark is why i love the setting. but some of it is a bit much
What do you mean, doesnt it make sense that we gotta execute the guardsman that have seen a volcano cannon fire because something-something psychic nonsense?
plush mason
lol
cerulean wagon
You can go from reading about the indepth lore of the inner workings of IG and admech are, about how no matter how strong someone is they still cannot make up for how dwarfed by the galaxy humanity is
Then someone will come in and go "well aktually custodes can stand in front of tanks and their forcefields stop all the bullets"
eternal ledge
40k is seen like this due to the amount of exposure in games, video games, and adverts
snow tundra
and then you have the Tau
eternal ledge
Vampire, battletech, star wars, etc
snow tundra
who are pretty normal and chill other than being commies
cerulean wagon
they aren't commies, and they aren't chill
plush mason
What do you mean, doesnt it make sense that we gotta execute the guardsman that ...
thats not even that bad. executing all the guardsmen that fight chaos is 10x worse for all the reasons
snow tundra
they're chill compared to pretty much every other faction that exists
eternal ledge
I hate how they twisted them to get the whole "there are no good guys in 40k"
snow tundra
yeah
tiny nova
40k was an outlet for dissatisfaction about world politics in a satirical form, now it's about making money
snow tundra
i think thats a stretch
final spruce
The Taus are just another expanding Empire that uses violence as a mean to a end, they might use diplomacy too
Kind of like another Imperium I know off
plush mason
40k was an outlet for dissatisfaction about world politics in a satirical form, ...
name one piece of satiric literature that isnt lol
fading crag
Grey knights killing sisters and covering themselves in the gore to give themselves +1 purity was a low point.
cerulean wagon
I love the grim dark nature of 40k, the fact no one can be trusted and that there is a deeper thing you can read into for each story, but i hate how overdone it is in any given capacity to try and be as shocking as possible. 15 hours on its own is a solid book about how mismanagement of forces can lead to a horrific warfront with a high casualty rate, but now "15 hours" is the average lifespan of a guardsman (which doesn't add up at all)
final spruce
Always has been Dilara
cerulean wagon
Its fanbase is also its biggest enemy lmao
100% yes
plush mason
it seems like some have forgotten that 40k is satire
storm jungle
That too
the amount of people that actually defend the Imperium is gross
especially after GW themselves say they arent good guys 
cerulean wagon
I hate how they twisted them to get the whole "there are no good guys in 40k"
they've always been that tho, it just used to be more subtle, things about lesser known septs and their treatment of aux forces. Its just that as with all things with 40k they eventually didn't even bother being subtle and they are just imperium 2
plush mason
again human savior complex. we humans want to be the hero in the story not the villian
abstract zealot
If the Imperium were to collapse would humanity live on?
fading crag
I want to see more blood pact
cerulean wagon
If the Imperium were to collapse would humanity live on?
in one form or another, yes
fading crag
Cool as f
tiny nova
I want to see more blood pact
they're gone they got wiped out
vast frigate
never forget custodes used to be able to facetank a nuclear missile
plush mason
they're gone they got wiped out
what
tiny nova
Gaunt novels are set in the past, the crusade was successful so modern day 40k they're pretty much wiped out
plush mason
what did they do to my khorne bois?
storm jungle
If the Imperium were to collapse would humanity live on?
Yes.
there already exists so many untouched human planets that were doing just fine
all the Imperium does is come and colonize their planets until it dies from industrial smog lmao
quick zealot
If the Imperium were to collapse would humanity live on?
As xeno fodder and chaos slaves
snow tundra
but chaos bad chaos want to destroy galaxy
abstract zealot
The Imperium collapsing might do more to free humanity than to condemn it
storm jungle
^
vast frigate
also, humanity might live on far beyond the touch of the warp
plush mason
The Imperium collapsing might do more to free humanity than to condemn it
facts
vast frigate
since ships were sent into deepspace during the age of Tekiology
fading crag
Does the warp extend beyond the galaxy?
vast frigate
we know the astropaths couldnt see into deepspace
fading crag
Given that there's not much on intergalactic human settlement?
snow tundra
I think the emperor needs to just finally give himself some rest
vast frigate
mostly because there is nothing there to power the warp
And you cant tunnel through sudden TITANIC WALL
cerulean wagon
Humanity as an empire has formed and collapsed before, if it was to collapse again it would come back as it always does
previously it was the federation, now it is the imperium, it matters not who is in control life will move on
storm jungle
Empires always rise and fall yeha
quick zealot
Most human settlements from directly before reuniting during the Great Crusade were either their own brand of authoritarian, corrupted to some extent, or getting throttled by xenos
storm jungle
Most human settlements from directly before reuniting during the Great Crusade w...
Wow
just like the Imperium now
plush mason
this federation. what was it like?
storm jungle
final spruce
I wish we knew more about the Interex
storm jungle
this federation. what was it like?
Basically everyone was ruling their own systems and doing whatever they want
errant mauve
Does the warp extend beyond the galaxy?
"Warpspace is a mirror dimension of pure energy. Existing as a mirror to our own reality, the Materium, it is the domain of the Gods of Chaos."
- Codex Daemons, 6th edition.
From what we get the warp effectively is a mirror of our universe, but it seems that in 40k our galaxy is really the only spot where the veil of reality is thin enough for the Warp to Manifest.
plush mason
hm
tiny nova
this federation. what was it like?
It was star trek, same universe
storm jungle
Lmao
plush mason
lol
vast frigate
"Warpspace is a mirror dimension of pure energy. Existing as a mirror to our own...
yeah except; 6th edition, GW, multiple different sources, way too much bullshit between
storm jungle
^
Chaos is sometimes multiversal sometimes not
its inconsistent
its really dumb
barren tapir
I always seen the old federation more akin to the UNSC from halo, just more advanced
errant mauve
yeah except; 6th edition, GW, multiple different sources, way too much bullshit ...
6th edition was 2014
No further lore for the warp has been shown since
This is straight from the codex, not a black library book
past glade
being a human in 40k would suck so much
errant mauve
What do you want from me
cerulean wagon
this federation. what was it like?
It is referred too as the golden age of humanity, they had subserviant AI that catered to their every need and technology far beyond the scope of what the imperium could even dream of fielding. Lore for it is a bit funky (baneblade is a golden age scout tank 
) but overall life was better (i.e. Mars had been terraformed into a parradise world)
storm jungle
Sorry mayo time to die
plush mason
its GW. consistentcy is not their strong suit
past glade
being a human outside of the imperium in 40k even moreso
storm jungle
errant mauve
I guess I can turn to both the 8th edition core rulebook and 8.5e Chaos Space Marine codex?
storm jungle
being a human outside of the imperium in 40k even moreso
I dunno man
errant mauve
Would that help
fading crag
I member reading something about rogue traders leaving the galaxy and it being "perilous" but that's about it
quick zealot
Being a human at any point after the Men of Iron, in any instance, sucked
storm jungle
i dont exactly want to get lobotimized just for protecting my child
snow tundra
being a human IN the imperium would suck
storm jungle
^
past glade
i never said the imperium didnt suck
tiny nova
People think too hard about 40k, it's not meant to be thought about this indepth when things are so inconsistent. It's a recipe for disaster
plush mason
It is referred too as the golden age of humanity, they had subserviant AI that c...
so the imperium really is just a frail shadow of what humanity could be and has been
past glade
it would suck 'less'
quick zealot
Because being regularly raided by Dark Eldar because you lack any substantial defense force is so much better
snow tundra
oh shit did i just happen to witness something i had no idea i was supposed to not see? guess im being executed by an inquisitor
final spruce
so the imperium really is just a frail shadow of what humanity could be and has ...
That's the whole schitck of the Imperium
errant mauve
<:pewpew:816089658747912192>
Look dilly I'm just quoting da Corebooks and Codices.
storm jungle
Because being regularly raided by Dark Eldar because you lack any substantial de...
The same shit would happen if you lived in the Imperium too so yes
snow tundra
literally execute people for being bystanders
quick zealot
Not as often
barren tapir
Also there were more advanced human civs after the age of strife, the only problem with them was that they didn't had manpower out of their ass like the imperium did
errant mauve
past glade
having a pineapple shoved up your rear is aweful, having a pineapple covered in barbed wire shoved up your rear is worse
storm jungle
Not as often
Just as often
quick zealot
Because there's actually institutions to deter it
quick zealot
The Dark Eldar go for easy targets
errant mauve
Even if you don't like it, its what the highest head dumbasses lore dudes at GW want for the Immaterium for now
fading crag
Yer but that's pretty rare most people just work their fingers to the bone and die an early death
storm jungle
and incompetent half the time
snow tundra
you're glorifying the imperium way too much
storm jungle
^
errant mauve
Maybe it'll change with the post-godblight, who knows?
cerulean wagon
so the imperium really is just a frail shadow of what humanity could be and has ...
Yes entirely, the imperium is the fractured remnants of humanity post the fall. The fall being caused by a war with the AI (now known as the men of iron) leading to an AI ban, followed by the birth of slaanesh and the awakening of many latent psykers
quick zealot
You're exaggerating how awful it is
storm jungle
You're exaggerating how awful it is
?
snow tundra
not really
quick zealot
You really are
snow tundra
its pretty fucking bad
storm jungle
GW themselves have literally said
its fucking terrible
and the worst humanity could be
cerulean wagon
rations are made from dead people
"guys its not that bad"
quick zealot
It offers some protections compared to not being a part of it
errant mauve
But for now, Chaos is universal, but from what we know only our Galaxy has the rift between realities thin enough for it to interact with
storm jungle
It offers some protections compared to not being a part of it
It doesnt, holy shit
quick zealot
It does
eternal ledge
Yes entirely, the imperium is the fractured remnants of humanity post the fall. ...
Also all the fragments being forcefully reintegration by Big E
quick zealot
Holy shit how naive can you be
snow tundra
stellar argument
storm jungle
Okay erebus
plush mason
It offers some protections compared to not being a part of it
the imperium is more likely to wipe out your world than the majority of non human threats lol
vast frigate
Basically a few fleets were sent during the height of the technological amassment, the age of Technology/Golden age.
There has been, as suspected, no communication with those fleets, as noted, the warp as we know it only extends to the edges of our galaxy like hitting a sudden exit to a tunnel with no road but only empty space on the end of a cliff.
The fleets did include; arks, or ark mechanici as we know them now, construction, repair, safety and battleships, fully stocked agricultural ships, entire populace ships with backup personell, fighters, the whole deal basically a flying society.
We also know that these ships can propel up to a few % of the speed of light on their own.
And thats all we know of humanity going beyond the stars of the milky way.
barren tapir
The imperium might give some form of protection, but also make you a target, both from the imperium and from its enemies
odd tulip
You're exaggerating how awful it is
"The cruellest and most bloody regime imaginable" gets said a lot in the books
final spruce
Literally the first line in the core rulebook
quick zealot
The Imperium offers protection from the likes of Orks, Tyranids, Chaos, Dark Eldar, normal Eldar, and the horrors of technology that humanity lost after the Men of Iron.
eternal ledge
Also the intor text in every novel
snow tundra
if you get invaded by chaos, and the imperium protects you from them, they will promptly kill you for observing chaos
quick zealot
You cannot get adequate protection from those on your own
errant mauve
Basically a few fleets were sent during the height of the technological amassmen...
I would love a source for this honestly, about the Warp hitting an exit tunnel
fading crag
Pretty sure livingon a demon world would be worse 🤣
storm jungle
Stop defending the Imperium, seriously.
errant mauve
It's certainly not in any codices
vast frigate
guess my knowledge on the beepy boopy fleet is now lost to argument i didnt see...
errant mauve
quick zealot
Stop pretending that 40k has literally any alternatives
barren tapir
You cannot get adequate protection from those on your own
Actually you can... Never heard of adrantis five i guess...
odd tulip
the interex?
final spruce
^
snow tundra
freeblades exist as well
eternal ledge
The Tau
abstract zealot
without war wouldn't the orks just fizzle out?
quick zealot
Actually you can... Never heard of adrantis five i guess...
can adrantis hold off all of leviathan?
Can the Tau?
fading crag
Tau lol
cerulean wagon
Stop pretending that 40k has literally any alternatives
the interrex were the alternative and chaos killed them to stop the imperium cottoning on to what was going down
vast frigate
I would love a source for this honestly, about the Warp hitting an exit tunnel
the warp doesnt go where there is nothing to fuel it, the further you get from inhabited zones, the weaker it becomes
storm jungle
^
quick zealot
So they couldn't stop chaos?
tiny nova
without war wouldn't the orks just fizzle out?
without war the orks would fight eachother or start a war with something else
errant mauve
the warp doesnt go where there is nothing to fuel it, the further you get from i...
What is the actual book or codex this is written in
this is what I am askin
quick zealot
So the alternatives can't stop the biggest threats is the take away
snow tundra
@storm jungleI love how not even that long ago you mentioned how much you hate Imperium apologists lmfao
errant mauve
I would like to reasd it
storm jungle
<@!166943308231344128>I love how not even that long ago you mentioned how much y...
I know right, they show up so many times
past glade
the interrex were the alternative and chaos killed them to stop the imperium cot...
not a very good alternative itf it cant defend the entirety of itself from destruction
barren tapir
can adrantis hold off all of leviathan?
Bruh, adrantis five kept at bay the greatest crusade before the indomitus after the great cruasde one for 5 years iirc, they kept macharius at bay!!
vast frigate
I would like to reasd it
i dont much know of it anymore, an avid book reader mentioned it in my local and its a very stuck quote to the store manager
cerulean wagon
So the alternatives can't stop the biggest threats is the take away
nore has the imperium, cadia ain't doin too great and now we have GSC on terra
vast frigate
ill ask them when i visit again though
quick zealot
Can they stop hive fleet leviathan on their own
storm jungle
"No alternatives exist."
40k lore:
Actively shows the Imperium exterminating any good alternatives because they're backwards psychos.
quick zealot
If they can't stop the imperium what hope do they have?
vast frigate
i..
storm jungle
LMAO
past glade
if they cant defend themselves, not a good alternative
quick zealot
Against the Iron Ork?
eternal ledge
Dude
barren tapir
The imperium is not keeping the nids at bay!
quick zealot
Against Leviathan?
snow tundra
holy
storm jungle
The Imperium cant even stop the xenos half the time!
quick zealot
Against the Black Crusades?
vast frigate
the imperium literally came to bare with the fucking POWER OF A STELLAR EMPIRE
storm jungle
WHAT IS THIS.
quick zealot
Bullshit
eternal ledge
News flash the imperium is losing that war
past glade
half the time is more than 0% of stopping the imperium
cerulean wagon
Against Leviathan?
leviathan hasn't been stopped wdym, the imperium made them stronger
quick zealot
Two hive fleets broken already
plucky moth
The imperium is a cesspool
plush mason
why is the arch traitor erebus defending the imperium?
errant mauve
i dont much know of it anymore, an avid book reader mentioned it in my local and...
Imma keep it real, even the 8th ed chaos codices don't line up with this idea so I'll have to remain skeptical until I can find the book its in.
odd tulip
cerulean wagon
have you actually read about octarius? and just how bad the imperium has made the leviathan situation
storm jungle
Do you want me to post the quote, where the EMPEROR HIMSELF says that humanity has lost and is gonna suffer a long death?
quick zealot
leviathan hasn't been stopped wdym, the imperium made them stronger
No it hasn't
past glade
consider, would you be a slave to the faction that might be able to keep you alive, or dead to a faction that couldnt?
barren tapir
The imperium tried to stop the nids and orks, and now we have the octarius shit to deal with
snow tundra
bro if Big G didnt re alive himself and arrive with some brand spanking new marines Caul pulled out of his ass, the Imperium would be dead already or very close to it
quick zealot
It's literally recoiling still from the clusterfuck at Baal
eternal ledge
No it hasn't
Octarius
plush mason
lol
quick zealot
Octarius was a stopgap from a rogue agent
vast frigate
TELL ME, RIGHT NOW
cerulean wagon
No it hasn't
Octarius, an inquisitor bated the nids into fighting an ork waaagh. Leviathan has now recovered and breached the containment around the area, and is on a potential course for terra
this is post baal
quick zealot
A rogue inquisitor
cerulean wagon
nope
eternal ledge
They only lost at Baal because the great rift sucked away 90% of the fleet
cerulean wagon
not a rogue
final spruce
GodErebus is on such a copium rn is unreal
cerulean wagon
also ye demons had to save baal, not the imperium
storm jungle
Imperium apologists have a skull the width of a brick wall i swear
vast frigate
Red circle is terra, black dots show you everything with warp shit, this is the memefuckery of the tyranids
final spruce
We are talking about the new lore that just came from the Octavius Book Erebus
plush mason
Red circle is terra, black dots show you everything with warp shit, this is the ...
yes we hunger and we will feed
past glade
yet the imperium is still kicking, again i ask, would you rather, dead to a faction that couldnt keep you alive ofr slave to a fation that might be able to
barren tapir
I mean, the imperium is so good at keeping them at bay right?
final spruce
And you ignored the argument of the Imeprium actively making it worse for itself for the thousandth time
barren tapir
Damn, look at how good is the imperium at taking are of them!
vast frigate
also the bubble is their psychic beacon, so like
odd tulip
how dafuq do gsc get into craft worlds
vast frigate
overlay the nid map and the beacon map
quick zealot
Inflitrators exist so people should abandon the Imperium and fend for themselves?
past glade
I mean, the imperium is so good at keeping them at bay right?
still havent answered the question
plush mason
GSC on terra lets go
vast frigate
how dafuq do gsc get into craft worlds
memes and copium
cerulean wagon
Kryptman is fucking rogue dude
he is not a rogue tho, he still has his position as an inquisitor and infact leads several regiments and has space marine assistance in his work in octarius
eternal ledge
Keep shifting that goal post Erebus
barren tapir
still havent answered the question
Which one?
plucky moth
The imperium is its own worst enemy in a lot of ways
quick zealot
Keep shifting that goal post Erebus
The goal post hasn't budged
errant mauve
Red circle is terra, black dots show you everything with warp shit, this is the ...
That's places where the Warp has ripped into the Materium, not the limits of the Warp, if that's what you're getting at.
plush mason
The imperium is its own worst enemy in a lot of ways
and thats the entire point
storm jungle
yet the imperium is still kicking, again i ask, would you rather, dead to a fact...
The Imperium is kicking because its suppose to make money
past glade
Which one?
dead to a faction that couldnt keep you alive or a slave to one that might be able to save you
quick zealot
The Imperium provides the only semblance of effective defense against existential threats
errant mauve
Sorry if you weren't Elyksis
vast frigate
That's places where the Warp has ripped into the Materium, not the limits of the...
aye it is
fading crag
This is glorious. And people say the lore is "shallow" 🤣
snow tundra
this is just, exhausting
errant mauve
Then that's just a misunderstanding on my part
storm jungle
This is glorious. And people say the lore is "shallow" 🤣
It is tho lol
past glade
The Imperium is kicking because its suppose to make money
how very meta of you
odd tulip
this is just, exhausting
This exact argument happens every other day here. You just get used to it lmao
vast frigate
im gonna overlay the nid map and the GSC map to show you how bad the imperium is
tiny nova
It's fine to enjoy the imperium, but if you share opinions in public expect them to get scrutinized.
snow tundra
this is the first time im seeing it'
storm jungle
Its like asking "why havent the necrons blown up terra"
quick zealot
Oh no infiltrators are a thing
barren tapir
dead to a faction that couldnt keep you alive or a slave to one that might be ab...
Wrong question, since they aren't different, there is actually no difference between the two... Both are also the imperium lol
storm jungle
because the setting needs to exist lol
quick zealot
It's not like the Imperium has fought them off before
past glade
Thats the real reason tho
i actually dont want to the imperium to win i've been a nid player since 1998
storm jungle
A based take my friend
plucky moth
this is the first time im seeing it'
snow tundra
lmfao
storm jungle
its always Imperial apologists
snow tundra
like
final spruce
Yep
tiny nova
idk why people can't just enjoy them as bad guys
storm jungle
"no guys i swear killing billions of people and enslaving our own race is totally for the betterment of the universe"
snow tundra
I could maybe understand being an Aeldari apoligst
storm jungle
idk why people can't just enjoy them as bad guys
Nobody is saying that though
fading crag
Can't say I'm for or against the imperium. It's not real. It's a fucking good yarn though.
storm jungle
you just shouldnt defend their actions
eternal ledge
Hey @quick zealot you know about the Hexarcy coupe right?
snow tundra
but Imperium? My brain cannot comprehend as hard as it tries to
storm jungle
lmao
vast frigate
Yeah the imperium is real great
final spruce
idk why people can't just enjoy them as bad guys
For the same reason people can't accept when they are wrong, misplaced pride and stupidity
quick zealot
"no guys i swear killing billions of people and enslaving our own race is totall...
It's the only option that presents humanity with a chance in 40k
storm jungle
It's the only option that presents humanity with a chance in 40k
It doesnt, christ
errant mauve
t. Chaos Player since 5th
plush mason
Yeah the imperium is real great
the imperium is lunch
quick zealot
It doesnt, christ
what alternative in 40k
past glade
"no guys i swear killing billions of people and enslaving our own race is totall...
ok, so would you rather humanity not exist in the setting?
quick zealot
quickly now
vast frigate
anyway im taking a piss because thats what this chat is anyway, then, please ping me if you want other maps overlayed
quick zealot
And if the Imperium already killed it it isn't good neough
storm jungle
ok, so would you rather humanity not exist in the setting?
No because they gotta make money somehow
plucky moth
Ork gang
snow tundra
this guy is a real life servitor, I've figured it out, he's been lobotomized to simp for the imperium
plush mason
ok, so would you rather humanity not exist in the setting?
i would kill for a good sci fi setting where humans didnt exist
quick zealot
Actually rabid
barren tapir
It's the only option that presents humanity with a chance in 40k
Wrong, it is just that the options get either destroyed fast by the imperium, which show more interest in killing fellow humans than xenos, or don't get the spotlight because not enough grimderp
past glade
No because they gotta make money somehow
again, very meta, not an arguement within the setting
odd tulip
To be clear: The Imperium is the Cruellest and most bloody regime imaginable. The level of horror and pain its citizens experience on a daily basis is both incredibly high and almost entirely unnecessary. Guilliman literally says as much in Dark Imperium, but realises he is not in a position to change it- at least not overnight
quick zealot
Wrong, it is just that the options get either destroyed fast by the imperium, wh...
If the Imperium can destroy it
So could every other threat
past glade
To be clear: The Imperium is the Cruellest and most bloody regime imaginable. Th...
and yet, somehow, chaos is worse
plucky moth
God that logic lmao
cerulean wagon
ok, so would you rather humanity not exist in the setting?
no one has even said that lmao, it is simply that "the imperium are not the good guys"
they are not the best choice, and are a rotting carcass of their former glory. There have been better options that have been rejected, because the status quo keeps certain people in power who want to remain there
quick zealot
If they're too weak to stop the Imperium, how the hell can they hope to stop a hive fleet?
plush mason
and yet, somehow, chaos is worse
no its equal and in some cases better
snow tundra
Im so tired 😩
it's not worth it Dil
storm jungle
it's not worth it Dil
Yeah I feel you
quick zealot
Or a WAAAGH!?
tiny nova
ok I am going to pull a source from this book that supports my argument and ignore the three other sources that disagree not only with what I am arguing but also the other three books are fighting eachother. This goes for every side of every argument relating to 40k, There is only war, in conflicting lore
barren tapir
If the Imperium can destroy it
Not really, you see, they can destroy rogue planets, but that is easy, since the imperium make sure the planets cannot defend themself, and even then, some planets manage to get away...
eternal ledge
Looking at his actual profile name I'm not surprised
odd tulip
and yet, somehow, chaos is worse
This is the thing though- and something Guilliman also mentions- if you life in the Imperium is already a living hell, why would you say no to the whispered promises of the dark gods?
fading crag
Love how the imperial truth has its roots in a book lorgar penned
quick zealot
Not really, you see, they can destroy rogue planets, but that is easy, since the...
PDF exist for precisely that
plucky moth
If they're too weak to stop the Imperium, how the hell can they hope to stop a h...
Maybe if the imperium let things grow they wouldn’t die lmao
past glade
i'm surprised that non of you have keyed on to erebus' purpose here... he's litterally called erebus, the guy who ruined everything
cursive hull
I've yet to read a single book which has the PDF survives.
quick zealot
If they were strong enough to defend themselves then they'd be an option
But they are not
errant mauve
Love how the imperial truth has its roots in a book lorgar penned
Many a CSM have a chuckle about this still
storm jungle
i'm surprised that non of you have keyed on to erebus' purpose here... he's litt...
Yeah but hes doing it unironically
barren tapir
PDF exist for precisely that
Ah, how much naive are you dammit! Sure, on the paper it does, on the battle not so much
storm jungle
lmao
tiny nova
I've yet to read a single book which has the PDF survives.
PDF lives in most Cain books
fading crag
That pdf guy in the word bearers trilogy 😩
quick zealot
The PDF holds off major threats until help arrives
fading crag
Poor bastard
vast frigate
theres a PDF guy who had the most holy bells... balls of them all
past glade
Yeah but hes doing it unironically
you really havent been around the block have you? this takes me back to early something aweful trolling... way back when
quick zealot
And minor threats on their own
vast frigate
The man who stood between horus and Big E
errant mauve
There's a scene in War of the Beast where an Iron Warrior hears about the Black Templars worshipping the Emperor and is like
storm jungle
you really havent been around the block have you? this takes me back to early so...
Im 27 years old
so no
errant mauve
"Lorgar is gonna have a fucking field day when I tell him about this"
tender igloo
Or a WAAAGH!?
you are a literal joke. you have literally done nothing but say how the imperium is good actually when they are clearly shown not to be
quick zealot
I never said it was good
vast frigate
andim much younger lmao
odd tulip
I've yet to read a single book which has the PDF survives.
In Plague Wars a PDF trooper is ||saved from death by a manifestation of the Emperor in the form of a young girl, who turns a plague drone into fresh water with her mind||
quick zealot
I said it was the only option
storm jungle
Like
quick zealot
you are a literal joke. you have literally done nothing but say how the imperium...
Why are you getting assmad over it?
crisp heath
Erebus is right.
errant mauve
I've yet to read a single book which has the PDF survives.
A bunch of them survive after Storm of Iron ||granted they're taken as slaves by the Iron Warriors, but it counts right?||
past glade
erebus isnt even saying the imperium is good
vast frigate
But what if we add in on the argument; Cum
past glade
just the best option of a slew of bad options
plush mason
In Plague Wars a PDF trooper is ||saved from death by a manifestation of the Emp...
and let me guess the inquisition kills said trooper as a heretic
odd tulip
A bunch of them survive after Storm of Iron ||granted they're taken as slaves by...
Probably the worst csm faction to be enslaved by. You all know why, I don't need to say the cursed word.
snow tundra
But what if we add in on the argument; **Cum**
what's there to argue about cum?
past glade
i refer to my pineapple statement
vast frigate
what's there to argue about cum?
to cum or not to cum
odd tulip
and let me guess the inquisition kills said trooper as a heretic
Doesn't happen in the book, but the inquisition does capture the kid
quick zealot
There are worse fates than the Marine Factories
snow tundra
to cum or not to cum
always cum
errant mauve
Probably the worst csm faction to be enslaved by. You all know why, I don't need...
They honestly are but not for the reason for you're thinking of
haha
plush mason
Doesn't happen in the book, but the inquisition does capture the kid
ofc they do
plucky moth
The worst fate is this chat
quick zealot
Like working the Chaos foundries as a slave
snow tundra
The worst fate is this chat
tis a fate worse than death
barren tapir
Oh, anyone got the excerpt of the imperium leaving a world after exploiting it?
plush mason
Like working the Chaos foundries as a slave
being in a admech foundry is just as bad
tiny nova
The only universal truth in 40k is ||space marines are lame||
odd tulip
ofc they do
If it makes you feel better, ||the child dies before she can be interrogated. It turns out that channeling the emperor's massive will through an 8 year old isn't actually good for you.||
final spruce
Guess its time to mute the chat for a while
barren tapir
The only universal truth in 40k is ||space marines are lame||
The truth has been spoken!
quick zealot
You don't get your soul sodomized in a admech factory
fading crag
Do you get pleasure model servitors?
vast frigate
being in a admech foundry is just as bad
no, chaos lords can shackle a soul to a body for the skeleton to continue the work
snow tundra
i like space marines
vast frigate
I like big men.
cursive hull
Do you get pleasure model servitors?
Stop talking immediately
odd tulip
LUV ME DEATHWATCH
final spruce
You don't get your soul sodomized in a admech factory
Your brain is tho
Servitor time
quick zealot
Mald
plush mason
no, chaos lords can shackle a soul to a body for the skeleton to continue the wo...
so like a servitor just with necromancy
vast frigate
Cum
fading crag
Stop talking immediately
Seriously tho
crisp heath
I like big men.
Hot.
errant mauve
vast frigate
so like a servitor just with necromancy
yeah but the servitor eventually dies
past glade
LUV ME DEATHWATCH
based
quick zealot
Servitors lack awareness
storm jungle
No?
quick zealot
All nonvital functions are stripped
vast frigate
Many botched lobotomies happen
vast frigate
MANY MORE
HAPPEN ON PURPOSE
storm jungle
^
plucky moth
A lot of this chat are servitors I suppose 
storm jungle
Imagine defending servitors of all things lmao
quick zealot
Some botched accidents verses actually getting my soul defiled without fail
cursive hull
Yes, being in an Admech foundry or other Admech facilities as a menial, you're in just as deep a shit as in a Chaos controlled manufactorum.
vast frigate
There are techpriest who see all under the knife of servitorhood as purpose requirement.
odd tulip
Servitors lack awareness
Not entirely true: some servitors have cognitive functions left on, as a form of perpetual torture.
cursive hull
^^^
Its part of the point of using it as a punishment
You get brainwiped and turned into a mumbling idiot
barren tapir
There is no worry of getting your soul getting destroyed when you have none... Blanks for the win!!
fading crag
A sexy brainwiped idiot perhaps
quick zealot
Many servitors are vat grown
vast frigate
no
quick zealot
Yes
vast frigate
thats only in areas where its needed
past glade
my chaos wastes excursion awaits, i shall be back later for now a i bid thee all adieu
cursive hull
A sexy brainwiped idiot perhaps
vast frigate
there are many servitors vatgrown, many more are purposely taken from prisoners
quick zealot
Most forge worlds have vats expressely for servitor production
cursive hull
The greater bulk of Servitors are punished criminals
storm jungle
YOU
plush mason
admech dont like vat grown. its a bit of a taboo for them
storm jungle
DEFEND