#40k-lore-chat

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errant mauve
tender igloo
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He not

odd sparrow
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canon is fake, but the sons of malice are referenced v occasionally

tender igloo
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For copyright reasons I believe

odd sparrow
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They could totally bring him back on a dime, minor chaos gods besides the big four have hella precedent in fluff

tender igloo
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Officially anyways

errant mauve
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But in the Short Story with the Sons of Malice, it seemed that Malal was less prominent than the 4 major gods @thorn elm

odd sparrow
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just rename em so copyright isn't an issue

thorn elm
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ok i had never heard of him before like 3 days ago and havnt been able to find anything really

odd sparrow
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that's cus there isn't much fhdzjk

errant mauve
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Given the general lack of worship of him (only the sons of malice do) and the fact that Malal can actually be summoned into the Materium

thorn elm
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i figured yall would know

odd sparrow
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there was a lil bit of art and iirc some weird comic book thing? which resulted in a dicking cus the rights to it ended up going to the author, not GW

errant mauve
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its a long story

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and I probably shouldn't interchangte the names

odd sparrow
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Malal was a way cooler name too

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it's sad

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malice sounds lame

errant mauve
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But Malice is the copyrighted version of Malal

thorn elm
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who owns the CR?

errant mauve
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but Malal or Malice doesn;'t exist in Fantasy at all

tender igloo
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I know more about orks anyhow

odd sparrow
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Some british comics book thing, I assume

errant mauve
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Malal was replaced with Zuvassin and Necoho in Fantasy

errant mauve
thorn elm
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ive never heard of those 2

meager gale
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sons of malice are tight and i love seeing models for em

odd sparrow
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it's sad cus the v small amount of art we do have is actually pretty interesting aesthetically

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errant mauve
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There was a decently popular comic strip featuring a Champion of Malal

odd sparrow
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i love the draconic vibes

errant mauve
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back in the day

odd sparrow
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it's p unique for chaos stuff

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the boi™️

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thorn elm
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thats some cool art

odd sparrow
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idk where it's from

errant mauve
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Fuck why can't I remember thge champion's name

odd sparrow
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see it a lot tho

errant mauve
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I had a friend who is a huge fan

tender igloo
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Old-school warhammer fantasy art is amazing

thorn elm
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i know/enjoy fantasy way more

odd sparrow
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But yee, if you wanna do homebrew then go ahead. Only issue with painting malal themed stuff is that his colour scheme is black and white fsodjh

tender igloo
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Especially the fantasy chaos artwork

odd sparrow
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lemme emphasise the issue area
black and WHITE

thorn elm
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but im starting to really get my toes in the water for 40k

odd sparrow
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ur welcome to ask abt fluff stuff here!

errant mauve
odd sparrow
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we're all very bored and we've spent too much time on this setting

errant mauve
odd sparrow
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if u have marine or horus heresy questions ask mayo, if it's abt xenos ask like anyone else

rose thorn
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like alot of early edition 40k chaos cahracters

tender igloo
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I genuinely love the setting so much, but fantasy still reigns supreme for me

rose thorn
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RIP Doom rider

errant mauve
meager gale
thorn elm
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my favorite faction is the world eaters

errant mauve
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Adrian Smith

thorn elm
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Kharn is the shit

odd sparrow
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inb4 ppl start complaining about the less detailed contemporary art

rose thorn
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Slaanesh is pog af

tender igloo
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I know my 40k orks very well. So if you have questions just ask

rose thorn
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ive read a shitload of EC and slaanesh crap so i literally only know that

odd sparrow
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lowkey i like more stylized art, I hope whoever did this style is still bouncing around

thorn elm
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ok so about the orks, how the hell does their "power" work? like if enough of them think something is true , it just is

errant mauve
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Kopinski, Dainton, Smith, and Gallagher are my favourite 40k artists

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Too bad only 1 of them stayed with gw

thorn elm
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Sadge

tender igloo
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Kind of. Orks do have a psychic presence, just not in the warp

rose thorn
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i thought they still contributed to khorne tho

odd sparrow
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Ok so, rule of thumb is that nobody really knows how the warp is meant to work, especially not black library authors. They all run with their own interpretation

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so there isn't a rly good single answer

tender igloo
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So that collective psychic energy manifest itself in the orks through crowd mentality

meager gale
rose thorn
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because of the mass amounts of them

tender igloo
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The orks see chaos as simply another enemy to fight

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So chaos really can't offer them anything. Because they already have what they want

thorn elm
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so all they want is to fight?

rose thorn
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yes

scenic bolt
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pretty much

tender igloo
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That's what they were made for. To be a weapon

scenic bolt
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the beast was like the lone exception

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he was about empire

thorn elm
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and is it correct that they are like a spore or fungus?

rose thorn
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ironically that makes ork sone of the less evil factions depsite only wanting war

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its simplicity

tender igloo
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The beast and ghazghkull are what happens when the weapon learns to wield itself

odd sparrow
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But tl;dr the Orks are a biological dirty bomb. They're designed as weapons to get onto a planet and stay there, innately progressing from an insentient fungal state up to a heavily militarised hooligan deathblob, 100% of the time unless they're stopped. This means they have innate knowledge of engineering and weaponry in their genome.

The psychic fuckery is another mechanism built into them. If Orks believe stuff works, it can work. So an ork gun fires fine when an ork is shooting it, but when a guardsmen picks it up and breaks it open it's like seven sheets of corrugated steel bolted together with nothing inside. Same goes with their spaceships and like, basically all of their technology, it only works cus they believe it works

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how far this exactly goes is obviously obscure cus duh nobody can write around that

rose thorn
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like its not a high bar

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but they are top 5 least evil factions

odd sparrow
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The 40k fandom has v much memed this into absurdity, which is a trend with hella elements of the fluff

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it's not like. the orks are literally omnipotent but they're only limited by what they believe. That's silly

tender igloo
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It operates on their own unique psychic energy

odd sparrow
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it's just that they can fuel or otherwise make some of their tech work with their psychic energy

thorn elm
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then how the hell have they not over run everything?

rose thorn
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they can still use shit that normally works though

odd sparrow
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"they have"

rose thorn
tender igloo
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They fight each other as well

odd sparrow
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There are whole ork empires going over vast areas

rose thorn
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its like the joke that every planet is a necron tomb world, except its serious that about every planet an ork has been on has a shit load of orks

odd sparrow
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On their biology, tl;dr they're not actually fungus, they're this weird symbiotic thing. Spores become orkoid fungus, which will grow until it can create animals- first squigs, then gretchins, then the big proper orks. These animals are created by fungus and they exist symbiotically with it, but they aren't actually mushrooms like the community memes it as

rose thorn
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correct me if im wrong, but arent there orks on Terra?

odd sparrow
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once the orks are created they slowly progress from a feral state, using clubs and sticks and such, up until they begin to unlock their innate ability to create advanced technology to kill things with

odd sparrow
rose thorn
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likw how Terra is ONE OF THE LARGEST CHAOS CULTS HOTSPOTS

odd sparrow
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the approach towards fighting orks isn't rly to wipe them out, cus that's impossible u can't burn out every single spore from the air of your planet, but just to keep them contained. Basically just sending out troops periodically over the area to burn out any mushrooms or primitive orks they find

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just keep them down and they're never gonna snowball high enough that they have death lasers

thorn elm
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youd think that TGE would have purged all that shit off terra

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well

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before he became a corpse

odd sparrow
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Nah terra is a massive clusterfuck

rose thorn
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too many people, they drained the oceans just to fit more poeple

odd sparrow
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it's p much as god awful as any other hive planet

thorn elm
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ok also, i have a question about the salamanders

odd sparrow
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@errant mauve we got a marine question bail us out quICK

rose thorn
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pre horus heresy amazing lore

errant mauve
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sure

rose thorn
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post horus heresy awful lore

thorn elm
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are they really the most compassionate of the space marines?

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or is that a meme too

rose thorn
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MEEEHhhHHhhhhhhhh

odd sparrow
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afaik generally yes? What I'm told is they're p much the only chapter that encourages member marines to maintain ties with their old families and communities

errant mauve
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It depends on your definitio0n of "compassionate"

rose thorn
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Of the like OG legions yeah

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but

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they burn eldar children alive

odd sparrow
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that doesn't mean they're goody two shoes, they're still gigafascist space stormtroopers, but they're apparently the most like. human

crisp heath
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Bc they will burn an eldar child alive without remorse

odd sparrow
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(vulkan did this like once)

thorn elm
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like, they arent going to just danger close civis

odd sparrow
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(people wont shut up about it)

tender igloo
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the thing with space marines of any chapter is that the policy is still "if you're not human, you're dead"

errant mauve
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But Vulkan definitely was one of the more moral of his brothers

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His heresy "arc" ends with him abandoning the Imperium outright

odd sparrow
crisp heath
odd sparrow
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Okay I can accept that

crisp heath
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At least thats why I use it

rose thorn
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honestly, the salamanders are proabbly the kindest of the OGs, but the whitescars are a close second

meager gale
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they're my two fave space marine chapters

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love their fluff

crisp heath
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Luv me some white scars

errant mauve
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White Scars Chads rise up

crisp heath
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Finishing Warhawk rn

rose thorn
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White scars are chad

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i wanna make my chaos bikers not from the EC but from the whitescars instead

tender igloo
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truthfully the preference for space marine chapters depends on what historical aesthetic you prefer

rose thorn
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they joined chaos becuase SPEED

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and slaanesh is the fastest chaos god

tender igloo
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do you like the roman aesthetic? you'll probably enjoy the ultramarines

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do you like knights? dark angels

thorn elm
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ew no, no ultramarines

crisp heath
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Small honorable mention of the Executioners who aren't the kindest but they go out of their way to avoid attacking Civilian centers bc it wouldn't be honorable

rose thorn
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or loyalest Emperors children

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there are

scenic bolt
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dornian heresy WS take the place of EC

rose thorn
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alot of loyal emperors children

meager gale
errant mauve
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so

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not

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wrong

tender igloo
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i like roman aesthetic and holy knight aesthetic. as to why i play black templars and ultramarines as my chapters of choice

errant mauve
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But I play IW as well CEASE

odd sparrow
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ah yes

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the 'greek' ones

thorn elm
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man i want to be into the TTRPG but that shit is dumb expensive

odd sparrow
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not gay enough, cowardly

rose thorn
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or you can play space marines^10 and play imperial knights

errant mauve
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Trolled

crisp heath
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I like Mongols and Norse so checks out for me

scenic bolt
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I like bland lore and bland schemes so iron hands it is

rose thorn
thorn elm
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@scenic bolt LUL god damn it

crisp heath
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Bland lore and vibrant schemes is the blood angels

rose thorn
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slaanesh pog

errant mauve
tender igloo
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favorite traitor legions would for me be world eaters or alpha legion. as i enjoy gladiator stuff and real deep cover spec ops stuff

crisp heath
thorn elm
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@tender igloo my man, love me some world eaters

scenic bolt
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dangles at least got tabards

rose thorn
tender igloo
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imperial fists are really cool as well if you enjoy the art of siege warfare. same with iron warriors

crisp heath
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Favorite traitors are SoH and Iron Warriors

rose thorn
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Favorite is shcokingly

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Emperors children

scenic bolt
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favorite imperial fist was a sergeant subordinated to the deathwatch, his geneseed fucked up and he's only like 6' high max in his armor

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worked out to get wide instead to make up for being a shortstack

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worked out so much he got too heavy for some vehicles so he was under orders to stop getting swole

tender igloo
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the iron hands and raven guard are so nothing to me as well. they have almost nothing remotely interesting for me to latch on to

errant mauve
scenic bolt
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yeeeeeeee

errant mauve
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"The only thing you can't do is fit through narrow hallways!"

thorn elm
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to swoll to control

tender igloo
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i guess the iron hands at least have the concept of the balance between man and machine, but admech does that way better

scenic bolt
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the squat conundrum

odd sparrow
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except for like

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the couple of horny legions

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like 2

rose thorn
odd sparrow
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wh- why imperial fists they're the most aggressively ace legion

tender igloo
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i mean it checks out. space marines were designed to be emotionless killing machines

errant mauve
odd sparrow
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prolly space wolves and emperors children. maybe night lords too but I don't wanna think abt that

crisp heath
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Oh yea

errant mauve
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that's why

crisp heath
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Pain glove

rose thorn
tender igloo
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magic pain gloves, away

rose thorn
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and theirBDSM glove

odd sparrow
errant mauve
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also Polux and Dantioch

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are very gay

crisp heath
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Does the Exies use the pain glove Mayo?

odd sparrow
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marine characters

errant mauve
crisp heath
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😆

tender igloo
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sigismund at the end of the horus heresy was an emotionless robot as well

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just empty inside

errant mauve
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Revolutionary Fafnir Rann though: "Fellas, what if we didn't wear leather gimp masks and lash ourselves after something doesn't go our way?"

rose thorn
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also an iron warriors warpsmith had a sex slave

errant mauve
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Executioners: "Fuck this guys is a genius"

rose thorn
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then got murdered by said sex slave

errant mauve
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She wasn't a sex slave

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I'm not sure where the sex part was gottten from?

rose thorn
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after she got possessed by a demon

errant mauve
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I'm assuming you're talking about Kroeger

rose thorn
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isnt it like, heavily implied?

errant mauve
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No

crisp heath
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RIP KROEGER

errant mauve
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At least, I couldn't read it in Storm of Iron and I've pored over that book quite a bit

crisp heath
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My poor fighty boy

errant mauve
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Kroeger may have been Chad

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But Honsou in the end was Superior

crisp heath
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Truth

errant mauve
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All the IW characters are bangers in Storm of Iron ngl

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All the characters in Storm of Iron are just bangers

crisp heath
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I wanna read it but GW refuses to release it on Audible

errant mauve
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period full stop

tender igloo
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my favorite space marine characters are probably uriel ventris and grimaldus

rose thorn
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holy shit the iron warriors and iron hands have never interacted

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have tehY?

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besides the drop sight

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massacure

errant mauve
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During the heeresy yeah

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IH and IW were some of the main frontline combatants duriing the heresy

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IW also buttfucked Medusa during the 10th and 13th Black Crusade

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metaphorically

tender igloo
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then as far as traitor legion characters i only really know bale and sindri from dawn of war, along with eliphas from dark crusade

crisp heath
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One of the Iron Hands makes a weapon that accidentally reveals a shattered legion ship to Perts boys in Angel Exterminatus

errant mauve
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I drew a diagram of allk the campaign llines during the heresy in MS paint before

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but alas

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I forgot to save

crisp heath
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Forge father whats his face

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The most based Iron Hands

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Ironfather Thematica

errant mauve
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Thaumatica

crisp heath
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Yea!

dusk widget
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Ah yes, the Techmarine almost declared a heretic by the Mechanicum because he is too much of a mad scientist.

storm jungle
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A lot of Black Library books go through several readthroughs, its not like Warhammer Fantasy books so reference to anything sexual in 40k ones is always heavily obscured

steep sluice
storm jungle
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Stop lol

peak hamlet
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But dilly

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Sex slave

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Its important lore

serene jungle
mellow depot
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Telepurte good

eternal ledge
serene jungle
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Ah yes, thank you, brother

crisp heath
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Praise Slaanesh

meager gale
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night lords aesthetic too sexy

coral dew
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Night Lords are kinda dope catto_blush

barren tapir
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More like nope to me

plush mason
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space vampires

meager gale
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yep, they really capture that aesthetic for me moreso than the blood angels

barren tapir
barren tapir
meager gale
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I’m aware but that’s not what I was saying

storm jungle
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To be fair

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they do nothing vampiric

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the only vampire thing is the red bat symbology

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that and im pretty sure the bat stuff is only there since Konrad's half-inspiration was also batman lol

barren tapir
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^^

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Yup, night lords are just crazy batmans

meager gale
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My whole point was aesthetic

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Not function

barren tapir
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No vampiric stuff related to them

meager gale
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This is a non argument for me because that was never my point lol

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Anyways NL aesthetic is far closer to vampire counts and other various vampy aesthetics than blood angels who are all regal and rococo

quick zealot
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Blood Angel aesthetic is closer thematically, with strong European resemblance and actually drinking blood

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Night Lords are closer to revenants if you push it, but much closer to ghouls overall

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They even got the pasty skin

meager gale
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y'all seem entirely too* preoccupied with function over form which is not what i have been saying honestly getting kinda tiresome saying the same thing over and over lol. i** do not care** that the blood angels drink blood, that is not even what im talking about nor care about. i do not care that theyre known as the vampire chapter. but i would also bet if you were to show a picture of a regular blood angel marine and a regular night lords marine to a person who has no knowledge of 40k and ask who the vampires are, they're not going to say blood angels.

NL have
spiky bits ✅
dark gothic vibe ✅
bat wings ✅
blood knight esque batwing helmets ✅
name is literally night lords ✅

now this isn't me arguing they're actually the space vampires, and this isn't me saying there arent any vampy blood angels models either (mephiston anybody?) this is me saying i personally like NL aesthetic more for the vampire vibe and it fits my ideal vampire theme than the generally regal and rococo blood angels.

mellow depot
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sounds kinda like the difference between a toreador and a nosferatu

meager gale
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Honestly that’s a pretty good analog

errant mauve
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I'm your #1 fan

mellow depot
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definitely not

errant mauve
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D'oh

rose thorn
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tbh the Lamenters are the perfect depiction of truely good people in 40k

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like

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they are trying to be good and help but they are constantly hunted hated and killed for no reason

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they suffer heavy heavy heavy losses for only a few lives

marsh grail
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So I’ve been watching the strain and in it they occasionally dress up vampires in makeup, wigs and contacts so they can sneak through checkpoints and get into high security areas. Could gene stealer cults do this?

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I mean it’s not hard to cover yourself in grease, mud and any number of other industrial filth if makeup is not available.

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If you’ve ever seen someone after their shift working at a quarry you’ll know just how covered in the stuff they are.

barren tapir
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The truest best bois SM are the salamanders, which while everyone else tend to be more concerned on how the get more glory on the battlefield they send their techpriests to fix the plumbing for the civilian population on armageddon... If that doesn't make them the best bois i don't know what to say

plush mason
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so what was the name of the lord inqusitior that started the whole months of shame feasco?

barren tapir
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Ghesmei Kysnaros

plush mason
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that fucker was a dick. even for an inquisitior

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allowing your forces to vote on wether to attack the space wolves or talk with them only to overrule said vote when you dont like the outcome is quite the pro dick move

tender igloo
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that is some good artwork

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peak hamlet
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😳

barren tapir
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Fan art or official?

storm jungle
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From the grainy/choppy look most likely official, best guess from me is a new artwork from the upcoming custodes codex.

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@tender igloo Sauce? 👀

tender igloo
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custodes dex, yeah

storm jungle
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Is it out?

tender igloo
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today

storm jungle
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EY

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time to find a copy

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I need the artwork even if 99% of it is gonna be recycled

plush mason
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wait that custodes is in black armor?

storm jungle
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Yeah, shadowkeepers

plush mason
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ah

storm jungle
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thats most likely the dungeons of the imperial palace aka the parts they are tasked with guarding

barren tapir
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Either shadowskeepers or warden of vault

storm jungle
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Yeah like all 40k armies you need a reason to paint them something other than gold since they're Your Dudes™️

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in the case of the custodes its them having Shield hosts

barren tapir
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Warden guy

plush mason
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so they more or less act like jedi temple guardians? just blend into the background till they strike

storm jungle
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Pretty much

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the info on the Imperial dungeons is incredibly scarce since not much is written about it

plush mason
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the golden guardian spear just doesnt fit the armor

scenic bolt
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the dungeon was really only introduced in 7th

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so its basically underdeveloped other than as a vehicle to give an alternate paintscheme

storm jungle
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Pretty much yep

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Only gonna get lore when its relevant or in a book

scenic bolt
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and they aint marines and theyre locked in a basement so glad to see it get a short story in 9 years

tender igloo
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unrelated but there was a tts short that had a custodian and 3 sisters of silence enter the imperial palace sewers to clear it out of any undesirables. it was really good

plush mason
tender igloo
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it was pure audio

storm jungle
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Also another one with Kitten going down there

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and finding a technological abomination

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with a talking fish head

plush mason
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ah yes

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him

scenic bolt
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they could easily synthesize the old lore of naked custodes doing workouts on the daemon portal in the palace with the stuff they have locked in the basement

storm jungle
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The dungeons are written with the aspect of "We have such horrors down there that cannot ever be released into the galaxy"

plush mason
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so bother santodes fits right in

storm jungle
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iirc with the Rift opening some of those things have broken out and are on the loose, so it gives you a reason to run shadowkeepers as well

plush mason
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also i really do hope that short story about the custodes getting his head atomized and still being alive wasnt canon

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cuz if it is i do not want to know what you have to do to a custodes to land them in a dread

storm jungle
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Basically the same reason as Marines

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just getting too badly mauled

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Custodes arent invincible by any means

scenic bolt
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theres gotta be some cutoff between prosthetics vs get in the dread

tender igloo
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get in the dreadnought shinji

plush mason
storm jungle
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It doesn't make sense so eh

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I really need to find that short story though

plush mason
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the short version is a custodes took a chaos rocket to the face and all that was left of his head was his eye. and when the traitor that shot him went to go take his gear the custodes was still alive and glaring at him

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i think it was a HH short story

storm jungle
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Well thats not technically headless

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so small victories i guess?

scenic bolt
storm jungle
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And as with most 40k lore, easily ignorable

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the "everything is canon" excuse will always be stupid for that exact reason

plush mason
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ima just assume its non canon cuz i would rather not have the banana bois being immortal demigods

storm jungle
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Yeah you do that

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its the best way

scenic bolt
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canon in terms of everything else had to follow those materials, and what any further materials are based upon

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also took a veiled swipe at goto's fast and loose approach

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only 2 million views over 3 months over all their shows

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thats like the viewcounts of a single late-period TTS episode

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interesting too that GW doesnt say that space marine 2 will be launched in 2022

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just that warhammer 3, lost crusade, and our boy darktide will

storm jungle
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Really though damn thats incredibly low from a statistic point of view

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I was expecting it to be a lot higher

scenic bolt
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its not even subs just views

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like 2 million subs would be big dosh

storm jungle
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Yeah this is legit terrible

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but hey KEK

scenic bolt
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I wonder if it even covered their legal teams costs to ramp up their DMCA claims

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let alone cost of production

storm jungle
#

I honestly doubt it

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this pretty much seems like a thing they'll ditch sooner or later

scenic bolt
#

I dont see it lasting the year

storm jungle
#

the way they went with advertising all this content, locking it behind a paywall then the actual content itself being Not Good™️ doesnt make it better

scenic bolt
#

Id reckon that like 80% of the viewcounts were in the first week

storm jungle
#

Yeah because the Yarrick "Free for One Day" advertisement was pretty positively recieved

scenic bolt
#

oh yea I forgot that some of those views werent even from subs with their free period

storm jungle
#

YEP

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Like making a streaming service at this moment when your IP is just nothing to the larger media was an incredibly bad decision

#

partnering up with a bigger user would have been better if GW wasnt so gremlin'ly protective over their IP

scenic bolt
#

quibi lasted 20 months

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will wh+ beat that

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I doubt

storm jungle
#

Yup, just bad managing

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can bring anything down

scenic bolt
#

the idea itself isnt horrible

storm jungle
#

Yeee

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its more that the content is legit not worth it

#

I've been pirating it since Day 1 lul

marsh grail
scenic bolt
#

like if they had given henry cavill the warhammer show hes always wanted to do, partner with a capital group to spread the risk

#

something big and eyecatching could serve

storm jungle
#

Aye, like I said its simply bad management

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a lot like how for example Dredd is an excellent movie right

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yet without any marketing almost nobody knows about it

scenic bolt
#

which one

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the stallone or the urban one

storm jungle
scenic bolt
#

that honestly doesnt help

#

their chins look the same

storm jungle
#

Bastard angryeyes

#

but yeah marketing is incredibly important

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AND

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you dont alienate your fanbase with cease and desist forms against other animators

#

its a good case of the board members clearly not understanding how these things work

scenic bolt
#

or overzealous lawyers

#

like theyre likely in the write over their DMCA claims

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but they dont HAVE to press it

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or send it

storm jungle
#

Yeah its the same as how TECHNICALLY

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all fan-work is actually illegal

#

yet nobody will press charges because theres so many of it

#

its dumb legal stuff

scenic bolt
#

more businesses would be best served by following anime/manga corpo's general stance

#

if theyre gonna pirate it better be ours at least

storm jungle
#

Yup

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GW in comparison is way too overzealous with their IP

#

almost will never spend a dime to properly advertise it unless its minis

#

hence the tide of crap videogames

scenic bolt
#

they rely too heavily on their fans to market for them for them to simultaneously piss them off on it

storm jungle
#

Yeah its a big SEMI-symbiotic relationship

scenic bolt
#

saves them the money but it belies them maintaining a good relationship with their audience

#

I mean take kpop as example

marsh grail
#

I hear that’s banned in China

storm jungle
smoky mauve
storm jungle
#

haha

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dredd is great

marsh grail
#

Dredd was great. Now let’s all take it seriously and as a model to base out police around.

mellow depot
#

yes

final spruce
#

Biggest Issue GW had is that risk aversion of them. They do not take risks, dare invest in something else.

#

Like lool at the "new stuff" they tried, Warhammer + is clearly underfunded looking at the animations, the Battlescribe equivalent app ? Was lead by a single Intern, not even a full employee and it took them 1 year to make it work and even that still doesnt work correctly and is overly expensive.

tender igloo
#

small indie company, please understand

final spruce
#

Music ? No in house composer, just recycling game ones

ashen lake
#

it's a strategy that's proven effective for them. that's why i'm honestly super surprised to hear about live action eisenhorn etc.

cerulean wagon
#

using em for wh+ stuff

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For anyone interested

#

GW definetly deserve criticism for the way they have handled (and probably will continue too handle) warhammer+, however to say what they have done is without risk is incorrect, theres a lot of moving parts to what they have done than people give them credit for

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"When we went to edit and mix this, it was insanely large. 950 unique tracks in surround sound for a full orchestra. It’s amazing to hear Warhammer expressed in this powerful way."

final spruce
# cerulean wagon GW definetly deserve criticism for the way they have handled (and probably will ...

Which is why the cheapest option which is music is the only part where it has any real investment (its funny how grossly underpaid orchestra people are)
And its not W+that is the only issue, look at Hired Gun and Soulbound, two games rushed and without much budgets average at best, look at DoW3, Im very surprised about SM2 and hope it actually has the care it deserves but look at DT here, I don't think GW actually invests into it and its Fatshark that have, on their own iniative hired writers like Ward and Abnett to flesh out their games so that they make sense. Look how much brain twisting people are doing for making Titus canon

cerulean wagon
#

Hired gun isn't a GW product tho

#

licensed yes, but they aren't the ones creating or publishing it

final spruce
#

Exactly because GW doesnt take that risk, they just sell the licence, like with all Gw games so far we have been over this

cerulean wagon
#

GW are currently in the process of experimenting with animation n live actions, and as far as i remember leave games stuff to games designers, although have begun working closer with them as of 2020 (how much that has changed from before idk, but with VT as an example they basically just had matt ward there to make sure that things were set to a theming within the bounds of the setting)

storm jungle
tender igloo
#

total war warhammer also wouldn't exist in it's current state if CA wasn't working closely with GW

#

it would still exist, but probably different in many ways

plush mason
#

is GW really useing cathay in TTW3 as the bases for their first army book in tt?

tender igloo
#

i honestly wouldn't doubt it if they were, but that is purely speculation

scenic bolt
barren tapir
cerulean wagon
#

he had a hand in it yes, worked closely with the VAs and stuff for the dialogue and characterisation

barren tapir
#

But they are just using old concepts and developing them

cerulean wagon
#

its mostly speculation tho

tender igloo
#

i am still happy that fantasy is making a comeback

plush mason
#

yeah

#

endtimes was a mistake

tender igloo
#

it still remains my favorite warhammer setting

#

AOS has become really good, but it will never replace fantasy in my heart

plush mason
#

yeah it looks cool

#

tho imo the whole immortality thing kinda ruins the lore a bit

cerulean wagon
#

AoS is fine i just don't like high fantasy

cerulean wagon
#

like, done crazy numbers on their stocks

tender igloo
#

i suppose i can't talk much either since the only army i play in AOS is literally just the vampire counts

#

there really aren't any like super high fantasy units in soublight unlike some other armies

#

most we have is the terrorgheist

cerulean wagon
#

ye counts are prob my fav for AoS

#

terrorgheist is from WHF

#

was the alternate model for the zombie dragon kit

tender igloo
#

but for AOS it is the most high fantasy thing we have along with the zombie dragon

plush mason
#

so how many of the armed forces of AOS are immortal?

tender igloo
#

stormcast is really the only major one that comes to mind

plush mason
#

ok thats better

tender igloo
#

cause i think everyone else is mortal

#

or undead

#

chaos daemons would be immortal as well

crisp heath
#

They walked back on Stormcast being completely immortal

coral dew
crisp heath
#

Stormcast were never truely immortal either one true dies real early in the realm wars books

#

True dies

plush mason
#

ok good

crisp heath
#

But now they can lose so many memories or personality they become storm wraiths that can't be controlled so effectively dead. They can fail to be reforged, choose not to reforge, get stuck in a realm unable to get home, and true die

coral dew
#

Weird, I would've figured they would have just gone to Sigmar's realm and stayed there if they were slain too often.

crisp heath
#

Some do

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Some souls are kept in warehouses till they can be reforged bc sometimes they can't be reforged immediately

#

Oh and Nagash has confirmed stolen a stormcast soul

storm jungle
#

Me:

atomic pelican
#

WAIT

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CUSTODES ARE EUNUCHS?

#

AHAHAHAHAHA

storm jungle
#

No no

#

LMAO

barren tapir
#

No, it seems their scribes are

storm jungle
#

They cut the dick off the people who work for them

atomic pelican
#

Ah LMAO

#

Equally as hilarious

storm jungle
#

I love how this is there though

#

they actually know people are horny for custodes

crisp heath
#

Amazing

barren tapir
#

Dunno, that seems an example of grimderp

#

How they get new people?

storm jungle
#

It feels weird yeah

#

like why do their helpers not need to have dicks

barren tapir
#

Having your offspring becoming what you were was a big part of the adepta

#

With many hoping to become one because it was a way to make the life of your future generations better

gaunt vector
#

makes sense if u have a near limitless suply of scribes and can't be arsed to talk to them

barren tapir
gaunt vector
#

true

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but the scribes would also write down a bunch of spooky secret sh*t. can't leak that to a family that doesn't exist

crisp heath
#

Also as much as I like this its weirdly in it's own paragraph

storm jungle
#

^

#

this was put in there specifically

barren tapir
#

Sound to be a detail just put there to say "see how grimdark it is? It is grimdark because they are uenuchs!! Now feel sad or bad!"

gaunt vector
#

yeah

storm jungle
#

Nah its not even grimdark tho

crisp heath
#

Like the only reason it's here I feel is to shut down fan fics

storm jungle
#

its just stupid

#

the Imperium has no need for eunuchs

#

thats like an extremely specific thing

barren tapir
storm jungle
#

UPDATE

#

These guys have no tongues eitther, and are lobotomised if they miss their space on dictation.

barren tapir
barren tapir
crisp heath
#

WOOO GRIMDARK

tender igloo
barren tapir
#

Should we also assume that all the scribes are men then? Custodes like to have only men writing stuff around

crisp heath
#

Yo free bottom surgery for eggs?

crisp heath
barren tapir
crisp heath
#

They are kinda dicks in master of Mankind

#

And I like Custodes

storm jungle
#

That and like, I was reading a Custodes book during my flight

barren tapir
#

Sure, some custodes are arseholes, but the majority see humans as kinda little childrens that need to be guided and protected within certain limits, as big E main ideology was

storm jungle
#

They sweat, they feel panic, their throats can get clogged up etc

#

They arent faceless golems

coral dew
crisp heath
#

Ye

tender igloo
#

that's because they were trained to be individuals instead of faceless grunts like space marines

storm jungle
coral dew
#

Oh shit they don't?

barren tapir
crisp heath
#

But they are brain washed

storm jungle
#

they are given in as infants by Terran nobles

#

unlike Marines who are usually taken in as Teens

barren tapir
#

It is extremely advanced genetic modifications

coral dew
#

I see, so it's probably a combination of what Space Marines, Thunder Warrior, etc. with other more obscure techniques?

tender igloo
#

they are also only surpassed by the primarchs and the emperor in strength, correct?

barren tapir
#

Old stuff that only big E knew, since, you know, he was there when those techniques were developed

barren tapir
barren tapir
#

They were the first to be genetically modified by big E, then he tried to streamline the process and created the thunder warriors, after the thunder warriors made the primarchs, and after them it was the time of SM

#

SM were made to be extremely fast to produce, compared to thunder warriors and custodes, and to work as tools of conquest

coral dew
#

So Custodes=V.1, Thunder Warriors=V.2, Primarch=V.3, Space Marine=V.2.1 or V.4, & Primaris=V.2.2 or V.4.1?

barren tapir
#

Not exactly, primarchs are completely different than thunder warriors, custodes and SM

atomic pelican
#

Incredibly based

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barren tapir
atomic pelican
#

Always have been

final spruce
#

They have always been about the poor guys fighting the state wdym

#

And that's a Hivecult quote, the militaristic boys, not even the Pauper Princes

barren tapir
#

I mean that i always saw them as "we will take this world because we are waiting the star childrens", not we want to cast off the chains of oppression of the imperium

atomic pelican
#

Its both

barren tapir
#

They use the oppression of the imperium as a tool, but never as the main objective

gaunt vector
barren tapir
#

Since, you know, what GSC do is just replacing a tyrant and oppressor

proper helm
gaunt vector
#

they replace an opressor with another one and then get themselves killed

atomic pelican
#

Glad they went full into Basado GSC. The 8e Codex already had some

barren tapir
#

To the point that the imperium could even recognize their rule if they manage to keep their true nature hidden from it

atomic pelican
#

The cover art of that new book looks hopeful too

gaunt vector
#

they are the one path out of the imperium that is worse than staying in it

coral dew
storm jungle
#

Its great

#

also has a genestealer baby!

coral dew
#

Holy shit lol

proper helm
#

the lad?

unknown.png
barren tapir
#

I guess it was "bring your son to work day"

#

Otherwise no reason to bring babies out during emergence day

coral dew
#

I wonder if they'll make models for Gene Stealers that can be applied to different settings as opposed to just miners.

storm jungle
#

Nah thats not a thing

#

their "default" skin is miners

#

you gotta kitbash if you want your version

atomic pelican
#

Like the novel

#

Peter Fahrvari is eriting it

#

Its like a kelermorph aith his fist up

coral dew
#

I know, I mean I wonder if GW will actually do that and make different models @storm jungle

storm jungle
#

Nah like i said they wont

#

branching out from a faction's main aesthetic is not a thing they do

#

...

#

unless its marines

barren tapir
#

It would require them to take a risk

#

And they don't do that

coral dew
#

Oh! Warhammer Adventures! Right? @atomic pelican :P

barren tapir
#

Unless you can convince them they would sell well they will not do that

final spruce
storm jungle
#

nooooo

final spruce
#

I mean

#

Rn its only Catachans and Cadians mini left

peak hamlet
final spruce
#

One looks horrible, the other one is catachan squad

atomic pelican
#

Actually Adrian not peter

peak hamlet
barren tapir
#

The Pulse Blaster uses a two-stage firing process to enhance its lethality of its plasma-based ammunition. When the trigger is halfway pulled, an invisible volley of negatively charged particles paint the target, followed by the full plasma payload. This causes victims to glow with a ghostly light moments before they're hit.
This sound weird, anyone know more about this weapons and how they work?

storm jungle
#

Tau still trying to get that mind control tech

atomic pelican
#

LMAO

#

Pog

#

Is this from the cult codex? I get mine today

#

More confirmations of GSC and Nids fighting together

storm jungle
#

It looks like it yep!

#

just nabbing it from a server im on and it would make sense that its GSC

atomic pelican
#

Niceo

#

This codex slaps so haed

barren tapir
#

Nice to see more info about such "alliances"

crisp heath
#

Im enjoying my custodes codex but Im extremely happy for GSC and Tau (so far) bc they got cool rules

marsh grail
#

Sounds like you might get some new rules or stratagems to support integrating them into each other more.

#

What are the current limitations for using both on either a primarily tyranid or GSC army?

gaunt vector
#

is this from SM2?

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peak hamlet
#

😳

#

Not sure

plush mason
#

nope

peak hamlet
#

Dont think so but also plausible at the same time

plush mason
#

from the heresy that is lost crusade

peak hamlet
#

Oh god

#

Oh fuck

plush mason
#

yup

gaunt vector
#

OH HECK OH NO

#

OH FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

#

DELETE THAT SHIT

rose thorn
gaunt vector
rose thorn
#

Oh y’all already pointed that out

#

Yeah the fucking mobile game loves pushing these 2 people for no reason

#

Specifically this space marine and that sister

barren tapir
#

Because they were the protagonists of a trailer

#

8th edition trailer iirc

rose thorn
#

I’m pretty sure it’s an ultramarine veteran?

#

But I could be wrong

#

I wish GW would focus more on other factions in marketing

atomic pelican
#

Your army has to be majority pure cult

#

Otherwise it gets gimped

atomic pelican
#

"...Damn thing burst right out of the grox carcass! Big and real as I'm standin' here, and thrice as ugly! Swear to you, Enforcer sir, it tore its way out just after we rotated the next flesh-carousel into place and.. well... Throne... you can see what it did to Varney and Bosk. No, no ma'am I don't know where it went. It moved so fast... wa sall over so quickly... tore through us then just... gone... into the shadows" @rose thorn

#

From the new codex

rose thorn
#

THATS FUCKING COOL

#

Is there anything about the blessed wormlings?

atomic pelican
#

Yee but it's just their old codex entry repeated p much

meager gale
#

holy fuck thats gnarly

#

whole lotta nope lol

atomic pelican
#

Ur going to the bug pit

rose thorn
#

AAHHHH

tender igloo
#

this image is still so perfectly grotesque

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rose thorn
chrome dragon
#

Does Slaneesh really give them a singular boob

odd sparrow
#

presumably it's just an aesthetic here, the one half boobed chest vibes are v usual slaanesh daemon aesthetics

chrome dragon
#

He turned his power armor into a crop top

#

Thats the most slaneesh thing here

rotund siren
#

speaking of the armor, why are there tubes going into both tiddies?

#

what is their purpose?

rose thorn
#

It also gives them access to both genitalia

#

And they loose all sense of genders#

rose thorn
rotund siren
#

huh

chrome dragon
#

Nipple piercing

#

Always wondered why its always Nurgle or Khorne

#

In most 40k games

mellow depot
#

they're easy

#

khorne wants to kill everyone and nurgle wants to give everyone hyper aids

#

so they're like

#

cut and dry villains

chrome dragon
#

You get the rare sorceror thats Tzeentch aligned

mellow depot
#

slaanesh has slightly harder motives to pin, and tzeentch's entire premise is inscrutable motives

chrome dragon
#

Wait Alpha Legion is Tzeentch or undivided?

rose thorn
#

It’s hard to really represent Slaanesh with out making it 17+

rose thorn
#

It’s believed AlphariusOmegon is loyalist but their legion is chaos

#

Mainly because there’s a bunch of situations where imperium was loosing them suddenly alpha legion bullfuckery happens in favor of said imperium

chrome dragon
#

I always assumed it was due to Tzeentch

#

Thats why i thought Alpha Legion were Tzeentch aligned

tender igloo
#

the way i reconcile the alpha legion is that i basically tell people to pick whichever option you like more. either secret loyalist or full chaos

chrome dragon
#

Bipolar Legion

tender igloo
#

the whole alpha legion is basically one giant psyop campaign

chrome dragon
#

Got to fight them along with Word Bearers and the Black Legion in Inquisitor Martyr

#

Literal jobbers

tender igloo
#

that game also is not very good to be fair

chrome dragon
#

You get to kill Fabius Bile in it

#

Lmao

rose thorn
#

Alpha legion just likes to do alpha legion stuff

marsh grail
tender igloo
#

they all drive tractors

chrome dragon
#

Farms for the Farm God

#

Crops for the Crop Throne

marsh grail
#

Which primarch just wants to grill?

chrome dragon
#

Vulkan

coral dew
#

^Was about to say that lol

#

Probably Jaghatai too, Mongolians can make some mean food.

chrome dragon
#

Yeah true

eternal ledge
vast frigate
barren tapir
#

If the guard got improved with carapace armour, not necessarily complete, even just a breastplate like the cadian, since the ones that many regiments are using are obviously not simple flak jackets anymore, would that greatly improve IG capability?

#

Before anyone point this out, yes, i know that many regiments use full carapace too

#

But i meant more all of IG

scenic bolt
#

that was the idea behind the solar auxilia vs the militia

#

militia were meant to be the rearguard and homeguard, while the auxilia were the ones on the front

#

sorta similar to how baneblade was supposed to be the general mbt and the leman a gap-filler/reserve tank

chrome dragon
#

What happened to Stubbs 100 baneblades

scenic bolt
#

stubbs alone is the reason why they had to switch to the lemon

chrome dragon
#

He won btw

#

DOW 3 isnt canon

storm jungle
#

Stubbs is about as bland as a plank of wood so not that important either way

vapid tiger
#

Gorgutz better

prisma lark
marsh grail
#

Will the solar auxilia ever return? They look sooo cool.

#

Or rather will some suits show up so at least some elite units can use them?

rose thorn
#

It’s basically the exact same

#

Just use the Solar modes

#

Models

barren tapir
#

Solar auxilia was disbanded after the heresy iirc

#

Just dumb stuff from big G

mellow depot
#

That reminds me

#

I was wondering, would the IG doods in darktide be Scions or just regular doods

barren tapir
#

Convicts

#

And as now we only saw regular guard gear

#

No tempestus gear yet afaik

#

But it would make sense to get some as high tier

mellow depot
#

Hmm

#

I admittedly don't know much about the Tempestus Scions aside that they are like special operations troops

quick zealot
#

They're pretty much just hired hands requisitioned by an inquisitor

#

Given that there is an Ogryn and a preacher in their midst, my guess is they were voluntold they'd be serving the Emperor for various reasons

mellow depot
#

It's just that, maybe I'm wrong, but it seems as though it would be slightly out of balance to have two regular joe imperial guardsmen

#

With a fucking giant abhuman and an inquisitorial acolyte

quick zealot
#

Inquisition will hire damn near anyone that has capabilities

#

The requirements are: has seen too much and isn't useless

marsh grail
#

In the eyes of the imperium a regular guardsmen is better than an ogryn

quick zealot
#

The Dark Heresy RPG really showcases it

marsh grail
#

There are no ogryn snipers

mellow depot
#

In terms of life value sure

quick zealot
#

Ogryns are fanatically loyal, incredibly obedient, and can rip a space marine's arms off

marsh grail
#

They are only good at close or maybe mid range if the bone head is a “marksman”

final spruce
#

They are however very limited brainpower wise

mellow depot
#

Well yeah that's why ours carries a grenade launcher

#

Lmao

final spruce
quick zealot
#

They're ideal as muscle, intimidation, and for shrugging off bullets

mellow depot
#

Give the developmentally halted person the explosives. This is a good idea

quick zealot
#

It is

#

Ogryns can be taught the basics of weapons

marsh grail
#

True but sometimes those are not what’s required for the job so that’s were regular guardsmen fall in.

quick zealot
#

Inquisitorial work includes shoot outs often

mellow depot
#

It just seems like a strange combination for the game's roster, that's all I'm saying. Like the two imperial guardsmen feel like placeholders compared to the other two

#

Unless they're like

quick zealot
#

The Inquisition steals guardsmen too

mellow depot
#

Unique in some way

barren tapir
#

They are

#

We just still haven't heard their stories

quick zealot
#

Genuinely noone without a big title is above "recruitment"

#

Even Tech Priests

final spruce
#

Well one seems to be more heavily equipped and more ranged focused meanwhile the other has an officier com and a power sword

marsh grail
#

Have you ever undergone hazardous waste/materials training?

barren tapir
#

And tbf, even the priestess can be seen as a generic human, but at least for her the fanaticism is already a unique thing

marsh grail
#

The one guardsmen is specialized in hazardous operations.

quick zealot
#

That's what you recruit Cogboys for

smoky mauve
marsh grail
#

That is something extremely useful when dealing with nurgle

quick zealot
#

Their job isn't gonna be securing samples or some shit

barren tapir
quick zealot
#

They can

barren tapir
#

Nope

quick zealot
#

Dark Heresy RPG

#

They can Shang Hai damn near anyone unimportant enough to not be missed

barren tapir
#

A tech priest can be part of a retinue, but there is not a power relation like a inquisitor and other imperial guys

marsh grail
quick zealot
#

Ogryns are ideal for hazardous environments

marsh grail
#

The non biological kind yes

quick zealot
#

Even biological

final spruce
quick zealot
#

Their anatomy is incredibly robust on multiple levels

#

Honestly I just want a cogboy to be added to the mix

#

They get the coolest toys in the setting, including weapons integrated into their body if they get toys from the Lathe Worlds

marsh grail
#

That would be cool.

final spruce
#

I do hope we get some gunlugger stuff

marsh grail
#

In what way?

final spruce
#

I love games that allow some spray and pray

#

Gun luggers are ogryns that are trained to use heavy weapons as they would basic rifles

marsh grail
#

People have hoped for an auto gun for the ogryn

final spruce
#

So stuff like heavy bolters and auto cannons

quick zealot
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A heavy stubber would be pretty fun

final spruce
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I agree

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The issue would be the balancing

quick zealot
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Can chew through light mooks like warm butter, but don't expect it to hurt anything bigger than a slugga boy

marsh grail
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Terrible accuracy

quick zealot
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Gun luggers are accurate (for an ogryn)

barren tapir
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Yo, since when maccabians were highly capable marksmen? I always read that their main peculiarity was their stubborness and fanaticism

coral dew
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They're considered an "Elite" group though aren't they?

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So they must get above-average training/resources to train things like survivability and aim.

barren tapir
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I wouldn't call them elite, just well supported since they have the backing of the ecclesiarchy

coral dew
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Then the backing probably includes training/resources to practice aim and what not, at least I would assume.

plush mason
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who needs to aim when the emperor guides your shots? 😛

barren tapir
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The recruiting follow the rules of all regiments, the best of the planet fighting forces are sent to the IG

barren tapir
coral dew
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However if all of your regiments are being trained the same way surely not all the best would go to the IG, I imagine even their mediocre (with training backed by the ecclesiarch) are still decently trained.

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Eh, just because they're pilgrims doesn't mean they wouldn't focus on fighting, especially if told the emperor wants them to. Some of the best fighting groups in human history were religious based organizations.

barren tapir
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In general the support is just in gear

coral dew
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Oh it is?

barren tapir
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Yes

coral dew
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I was uncertain of what the support included.

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Then idk, maybe they are blessed by the Emperor :P

barren tapir
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Ecclesiarchy has a lot of money and contacts, so if they support you is in general with gear

coral dew
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I have no idea then

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Side note, do you think the Emperor finally accepts he's on par with a God?

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Also, @barren tapir I just looked up their wiki page, it does say they're well trained & their gear is given due to the backing of the Ecclesiarch however it doesn't really mention why they're more well trained.

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So I assume they want us to think it's also because of their backing and fanaticism towards their Saint and religion (they're probably taught that fighting is important) because it also states they often volunteer to go into thicker/hairier fights.

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Also, given their namesake I'd be certain it's their backing that gives them their training too since the irl Janissaries were converted to Islam if they weren't already Muslims and were taught to be extremely loyal to the Sultan and Islam as well as given specialty training to be his bodyguards.

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Sorry for rambling.

quick zealot
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Some tithes are done by ballet

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Ultimately it's the Governor's choice on how they deliver the manpower tithe

barren tapir
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Those are the rules by which all regiments must be mustered, those are the rules that the departemento made

quick zealot
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No they're not

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All that matters is that bodies are given at the demanded time

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Look at the Scintillans for example

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Hardly the very best on the planet, and most aren't even PDF

barren tapir
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Giving subpar people to the regiments is seen as a crime

quick zealot
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No it isn't

barren tapir
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Yes it is

barren tapir
quick zealot
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Too many bodies to do that type of quality control

barren tapir
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Whenever required, the best soldiers in a PDF are transferred into the Imperial Guard, receiving further training as they are shipped to their destined location elsewhere in the galaxy.
Best PDF troopers get shipped to the IG

quick zealot
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What is that from?

barren tapir
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When a mustering of regiments happen of course

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Astra militrum codex 6th edition

quick zealot
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So it's old lore

barren tapir
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Typically one tenth of the PDF's personnel are given to the Guard, and these are usually the best soldiers as the penalty for a Governor for giving sub-standard soldiers is death.

barren tapir
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Or if it is dumb

quick zealot
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From a codex that is tinted by propaganda

barren tapir
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Like all codex lol

quick zealot
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Yes

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Which is why it isn't to be taken at face value

barren tapir
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You are just cherry picking

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I brought you the piece of lore, and the source and you simply disregarded because in conflict with what you wanted it to be

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Ok i guess

quick zealot
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And there is no basis for "substandard"

barren tapir
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Yes there is, since we also know that the cadians are considered the top of the IG capability

quick zealot
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It's a vague law trying to intimidate Governors into giving only their best

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Utterly unenforceable

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Cadians embody Imperial propaganda

barren tapir
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It is, adeptus arbites on the world aren't blind

quick zealot
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The Arbites police crimes

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Not inspect all 100,00 troops being shipped off to fight tyranids in bumfuck nowhere

barren tapir
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And if the arbites notice that the governor is keeping the best for him they will execute him

quick zealot
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Except the law doesn't demand the best

barren tapir
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An imperial crime, which the arbites care a lot

quick zealot
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Nor is any arbite going to have the clout needed to actually do that

barren tapir
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The arbites are the imperium police, they upheld the imperial law

quick zealot
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Ideally

barren tapir
quick zealot
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but not actually. Imperial nobility are damn hard to touch

barren tapir
quick zealot
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That is overly idealized

barren tapir
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If they try to touch the arbites then that is treason, since the arbites are an imperial agency

barren tapir
quick zealot
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And Imperial nobility are notoriously straight laced

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Arbites can't inspect every troop being shipped off to a regiment, and the presence of competent PDF isn't evidence of "subpar" Guard tithes

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In fact it's guaranteed that screw ups are going to get into any regiment

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Therefore every Imperial Governor would be executed if the rule was actually enforceable

barren tapir
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You are clearly overestimating the nobles and underestimating the arbites

quick zealot
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I'm stating the logistical impossibility of actually enforcing that law

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Ratling world governors alone would have a turnover rate comparable to Ancient Chinese Peasant Rebellions

barren tapir
quick zealot
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Again

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Competent soldiers are not evidence of subpar tithes

barren tapir
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Subpar tithes? Weren't we talking about mustering of regiments?

quick zealot
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That's what a mustering is

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A tithe of bodies

barren tapir
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Those are different lol

quick zealot
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In fact it's the most abundant tithe in the Imperium

barren tapir
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Two types of Tithe's are demanded of Imperial worlds. The first is a military tithe which translates into 1/10th of a planet's PDF being gathered as new recruits for the Imperial Guard.[4] The second, known as Exacta, includes all other types of resources or wealth.

quick zealot
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That's what a mustering is

barren tapir
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Two types of tithes, the military one is the mustering of regiments, and giving subpar soldiers is a crime

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Then we have a resource tithe

quick zealot
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And there is no way to prosecute that offense

barren tapir
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The first is collected by the departemento munitorum, the second from the administratum

quick zealot
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Because it's literally impossible to prove and enforce such a monumental law

barren tapir
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Again, it is not

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The guys that come to take the regiments inspect what they are taking

quick zealot
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The average Hive City is the size of a state at least

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You cannot process 1/10th of the PDF of a world of those cities within a century

barren tapir
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Commissars immediately see what they will have to discipline

quick zealot
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Commissars can't oversee every soldier either

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Which is why soldiers still do things that are illegal

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Like every ratling and their mom

barren tapir
barren tapir
quick zealot
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There is no way to enforce the rule. At best it can keep naive Governors from utterly shafting a regiment.

barren tapir
barren tapir
quick zealot
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Agreed

barren tapir
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🤝

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Wish you a good day

quick zealot
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🤝

storm jungle
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Meanwhile Transcron. Twice Dead King.

odd sparrow
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BASED

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"I thought Anathrosis was ur patriarch?"
"That changed"
"I see"
tfw necrons are more inclusive and understanding than most 40k fans

barren tapir
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How much widespread is this image? I expect quite a lot of flame on this

storm jungle
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I wouldnt say too widespread

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BL writers tend to sneak stuff like this in a lot

marsh grail
odd sparrow
coral dew
barren tapir
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I wasn't part of that analysis

coral dew
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That's just my opinion though, who knows how serious they intended the relation to be.

storm jungle
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As the local turk here I can also confirm 🖐️

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they simply called them Janissaries because it sounds cool, nothing beyond it

coral dew
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That's saddening :/ it would be clever to make something more than just a namesake.

storm jungle
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welcome to 40k

barren tapir
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Ok, the main analyst of them has revealed herself, so yes, Dilara went deep on them and with others, which i wasn't part, concluded they were just using the same name because rule of cool

rose thorn
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hey how do people make their tyranid army unique? it seems like they are all kinda the same except colors

tender igloo
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rule of cool

storm jungle
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some prefer specific bioforms and whatnot

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Ones that like digging, ones that adapt fast etc

tender igloo
barren tapir