But that book was excellent
#40k-lore-chat
upbeat arch
God damn that ending where he goes to the massacred concert hall and takes a bow while real fulgrim watches from inside screaming
It doesnt get better than that
rose thorn
also anyone know a good ay to make Mark V power armor?
rose thorn
God damn that ending where he goes to the massacred concert hall and takes a bow...
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
upbeat arch
Fucking art right there
rose thorn
It was so good the genestealer cultist did it
upbeat arch
jfc…
eternal ledge
Finished "Pharos" that ending with Paulux and Dantioc
vapid tiger
yeah but like
do not read the entire hh
because most of it is schlock
Like the vast majority of it past the early books
Just pick out the decent ones if you really wanna keep at it
So like
The First Heretic
Uhhhh
Betrayer
Uhhhh
Know No Fear
upbeat arch
Yeah idk
vapid tiger
Maybe Scars+Path to Heaven
upbeat arch
Ive heard that
But ive heard so many opinions that are so insanely wrong about the HH series
upbeat arch
Ima give em all a shot
vapid tiger
u will not survive
errant mauve
Don't read the salamanders books
vapid tiger
there's like 70+ jago
errant mauve
This is the only genuine consistent opinion I've seen
vapid tiger
don't donit
errant mauve
upbeat arch
Like for example i just heard every book after 3 was bad
errant mauve
and I agree with it
upbeat arch
Just incorrect
vapid tiger
you'll end up defending them by virtue of putting so much time into them
upbeat arch
And Vulkan Lives was one of my favorite
upbeat arch
you'll end up defending them by virtue of putting so much time into them
I read about 2 books a week
Im good
upbeat arch
Me smart
vapid tiger
My attention span is too low
upbeat arch
Big smart
vapid tiger
Me smart too
but
attention span
I can read quickly it's just easy to get burnt out
upbeat arch
Me attention span mad good
As long as im not depressed, im fine with not gettin burned out
Now that i think about it, i did Jim Kwik’s speedreading course a little while back, that might have helped
I usually do one audiobook during monotonous tasks/work, and then read paper morning and night
wispy widget
Hello again 40k lore masters of the inquisition I have come looking for knowledge of the heretic space marines, what do you call a newly made chaos marine? Do they have a scout or neophyte equivalent?
Or are they simpily just a chaos marine in full?
final spruce
Sadly I cannot really answer this question totally because of my lack of knowledge on the subject, however I do know that usually chaos marines arent made like loyalists ones since chaos have some geneseed issues and dont mind doing heresy, so most chaos marines are born throught vats and cloning facilities, usually fully grown up and ready to go.
tender igloo
and i believe that many chaos marines are actually either veterans of the horus heresy or their chapter fell to chaos, so that accounts for a lot of their numbers. there are a couple of instances where i think they actually do make new chaos marines from scratch, but they don't come up very much
wispy widget
Thanks for the answers fellow inquisitors
errant mauve
Hello again 40k lore masters of the inquisition I have come looking for knowledg...
Many warbands refer to newer recruits as "new bloods"
Or something along those lines
As for the whole scout/neophyte marines, though you theoretically could have similar roles in warbands.
But consider that the traitor legions originated from a command structure based off the Principia Belicosa, not the Codex Astartes.
So scouting and specialists for Warbands may be for veterans rather than new recruits
But given the decentralized nature of CSM you really could theoretically find a Warband that does anything you just described
scenic bolt
Theyre your models
rose thorn
Hey are the Carcharodons books good?
storm jungle
Hey are the Carcharodons books good?
They're all basically just bolter-porn
sine they arent the most popular chapter in existence they kinda suffer from that effect with the author but if you want to give them a go knock yourself out
peak hamlet
They're all basically just bolter-porn
Good book then 😎
storm jungle
💀
odd sparrow
p much just the army of the dead yeah lol, idk if it's been justified any more than just [assorted big e psychic fuckery]
like with living saints and ecclesciarchal miracles
odd tulip
cursive hull
They also have a humorous habit of appearing instead of a daemon when chaos tries to summon a Daemon of some significance
But, yeah.
Lore wise swears its some sort of anomaly of Imperial Faith, or some such.
marsh grail
So weird question but since Titus became a primaris marine that means that by now Roboute Guilliman is back right? So the next question is would he end up hearing about Leandros accusing him of heresy? In this timeline Titus was captain I’d think that would be worth looking into so what would he do in this situation?
Would he side with Leandros or Titus?
He did write the book after all
How strictly does he himself adhere to the codex astartes?
cerulean wagon
he already knows leandros accused him
it was too his face
if u mean guilliman
he probably doesnt know or care
titus was doin inquis stuff by the looks of his new bling
cursive hull
He's a bit busy running the Imperium. He can't stop to baby his chapter anymore
Titus is probably only one of many Marines accused of Heresy on a relatively regular basis, I imagine.
And, yeah.
The Inquisition can be ruthless and stupid, just like the rest of the Imperium, but Titus had a talent. They clearly believe him more useful alive.
dull osprey
Yeah, I think once the 
cleared him, the leadership of the Ultramarines would fall in line
marsh grail
Yeah I thought it would have been foolish for the inquisition to kill him after they proved his immunity to the warp. He’s far too valuable as the potential to be equivalent to a blank. Perhaps we shall see if he can resist psychic attacks from the tyranids as well.
Or if his immunity is purely warp related.
marsh grail
He’s primaris now they are immune to everything. /s
rose thorn
I hope the Indigan paefects gets more lore in the 9th edition guardsmen codex
marsh grail
More Chadian or krieg lore take it or leave it.
rose thorn
But, they are a legit cool regiment ;-;
The one quote they have is fucking awesome bye
Btw
Not many can say they've faced down a Genestealer. Most that have get killed by a different one seconds later. But I can. I've done it more than once. There's something worse about these ones though, the ones that look part-human. They hate you almost as much as you hate them. It's not just animal instinct. You can see it in their eyes, even as they’re bleeding out with your bayonet in their throat, their claws still reaching out to slash you up. I pray to the Emperor that I get to kill more. Only extinction's good enough for them.
VETERAN GUARDSMAN GARADUX, INDIGAN PRAEFECTS 47TH "LICTOR KILLERS," DEFENCE OF THE VOLUSHUN SHIPYARD
Just pure hatred for genestealers
marsh grail
Uncanny valley deep lore
rose thorn
And that’s all the lore they have besides being made to kill a rich guy’s escaped zoo
But I fucking love them <3
Being sent out in a supposed tryanid hotspot, hunting while being hunted in the jungle or rubble of a city
Fueled by the pure uncanny hatred they have for Tyranids
Idea for a Paefection character,
Man’s Wife was infected by a genestealer and cheated on him while he was deployed, when he got home he realized his town began looking purple and genestealer cultish, then realized it was infected by a genestealer and mercy killed his family before telling his higher ups the planet was compromised.
I hope this makes sense when I wake up lmao
marsh grail
Watch his wife became a magus.
barren tapir
Other experts in killing nids are catachans
karmic gulch
Do dreadnoughts have a vox caster or is it something else?
cursive hull
Presumably, yes.
It'd be really awkward if they couldn't directly communicate with the units they're meant to support
So, I imagine Dreadnoughts have long range and short range coms.
And, they likely speak through a voxcaster when talking person to person, as we hear them in games n so on
karmic gulch
I mean it'd be completely nonsensical for them to be unable to communicate outside of text in the ground and cherades
smoky mauve
vapid tiger
what if david gallagher
what if david gallagher
drew uh uh uh uh
drew aos art that looks very close to his older artwork????
looks very similar to this style
storm jungle
drew aos art that looks very close to his older artwork????
He actually has!
check out his instagram 👀
vapid tiger
yes that's where i got these
reminds me that aos is still very definitively a warhammer setting
storm jungle
oh shit i didnt see the first picture LMAO
Yeah AOS's dislike imo should generaly be from genre
thats the only reason im not into it since i dont like high fantasy
storm jungle
otherwise its a cool setting
vapid tiger
i mean it's more cohesive and engaging than 40k atm 
barring br teclis
and br kragnos
storm jungle
one of the reasons I hope 40k gets nuked soon
atomic pelican
Or the flying boulders
vapid tiger
Doesnt like the gigachad teclis fighting nagash
No that's what I like about it
vapid tiger
I do not like arkhan falling off a cliff
Actually if that's it I actually like br teclis
atomic pelican
And the massive animated katakros statue
vapid tiger
it's just br kragnos being anticlimactic
atomic pelican
Oh yeah but Arkhan will b back
storm jungle
was arkhan in AOS, i forgot
atomic pelican
Yus
He was
Very important Mortarch
P much the only reliable mortarch(before Katakros)
atomic pelican
Yee
storm jungle
so many k's
atomic pelican
Kragnos
storm jungle
DFDFKJS
vapid tiger
DESTRUCTION GOD FREES HISMELF FROM PRISON AND TEAMS UP WITH THE BIGGEST BADDEST WARBOSS THAT EVER WAS AND THEY MARCH ON EXCELSIS AND THE GATES OF AZYR WITH A HUGE COMBINED HORDE OF DESTRUCTION READY TO STOMP SIGMAR INTO THE DIRT AND DO WHAT CHAOS COULDN'T AAAAAAAAAND
stormcasts stop them and get new pants from grungi the end
plush mason
drew aos art that looks very close to his older artwork????
slayers with helmets seem weird to me
vapid tiger
It's weird because uh
The other br books have shit happening constantly
Like each book is a major status quo shift in its own right
And then kragnos comes along and rather than being the culmination of this it's like
It's the fucking battle of blackfire pass
again
storm jungle
Isn't kragnos just a dumb character
i remember some AOS people i know saying hes just a pointless person but i cant speak for them on my behalf
vapid tiger
Esp since he came with no new army
Yeah his "army" is supposed to be kruleboys which is weird
atomic pelican
Hes nonaligned
storm jungle
Damn that sucks
atomic pelican
He can run in any destruction army
Not beastmen
Funny enough
Since beastmen are chaos aligned
vapid tiger
i remember some AOS people i know saying hes just a pointless person but i cant ...
Eh he's not pointless in that destruction didn't really have a "god" model on its own like the order grand alliances do
The closest thing it had to a unifying figure was Gordrakk aka Grimgor 2.0 who was just a megaboss on mawcrusha conversion
storm jungle
Who?
vapid tiger
The main thing is that he's
-
Weird because he's a centaur and not a beastmen because beastmen are chaos aligned and he's not
-
Underdeveloped compared to other god or godlike characters
Because the other ones all come from WHFB
And he's original to aos
storm jungle
thats the effect of a character coming out of nowhere as a Big Bad
you kinda need some presentation
vapid tiger
There should be a avatar of gorkamorka
Yeah
atomic pelican
I thought he was gonna be a free Dragon Ogre. Since og whf lore had them bound to chaos a long ass time ago. When he was revealed, I thought he was gonna be a free one
Also the whole talk of His People missing and such
vapid tiger
Chaos has Archaon plus Dexcessa and Synessa
Order has Teclis, Morathi-Khaine, Alarielle, and arguably Gotrek
Death has Nagash but that's all it needs because the Mortarchs are like mini-gods, ESPECIALLY Katakros (and the idea behind death is that nagash is all and all is nagash, bow down before skeleton aku)
But destruction just has kragnos just kinda there stomping around and shitting like a dumb horse
atomic pelican
Sigmar too, if u count those who will never be models(I imagine)
Since Sigmar will never front fight anymore
vapid tiger
Order gets a lot
Good thing they infight a lot
and are made up of several very distinct and disparate factions
atomic pelican
Yee, Order is the most infighty, ironic considering Destruction
vapid tiger
rather than the imperium who also get a lot and infight a decent bit but are considered part of a singular empire/overall faction rather than a disparate alliance
atomic pelican
Since theyre just the makes orderly civilizations factions
vapid tiger
Yee, Order is the most infighty, ironic considering Destruction
Order is somehow equal to or worse when it comes to infighting than chaos and destruction
Death is the most cohesive
atomic pelican
LMAO yep
All is one under Nagash
I think Death is goimg to get messier with Nagash gone for now
Esp since Arkhan too is gone
Katakros is the only really capable leader who is loyal left
And hes busy beating the eight points
vapid tiger
All is one until the vampires start beating the shit out of each other and the ossiarchs begin joining in to end up infighting over what the actual will of nagash is
And the nighthaunts get in because olynder's a bitch
vapid tiger
And the fec are crazy so they join in too
I like how the soulblight gravelords lore notes that nagash has to send mortarchs to babysit the vampires into not killing each other so they can get shit done in his name
atomic pelican
LUL yep
vapid tiger
because in whfb they were constantly killing each other
atomic pelican
I do love how Nagash finds vampires to be a useful pest p much
If he had figured out ossiarchs earlier, he'd probably just delete them
vapid tiger
yeah
View of vampires from everyone else: Immortal monsters with armies of undead puppets to command, practically godlike in status, dracula b scary
View of vampires from Nagash's view: annoying children
signal hill
I'll just say it: Saitama could one-punch Khorne
errant mauve
I do love how Nagash finds vampires to be a useful pest p much
Vampires are kind of just failed-Nagashes
storm jungle
I'll just say it: Saitama could one-punch Khorne
To be fair he could kill anyone
thats why I love him as a character, theres no "who could beat", hes literally the antithesis of an OP character that is aware of his situation
plush mason
lol
signal hill
That is a lie in the GIF
Holt only uses abbreviations when he lies
storm jungle
Damn you got me
marsh grail
Who is he data?
final spruce
@storm jungle Do you have the Mechanicus hierarchy graph please ?
final spruce
Ty Meme Mistress
rose thorn
In the short of it
Bigger brain, less flesh = higher rank
final spruce
Yes I am aware of that and the different ranks, I just wanted to be sure of something
rose thorn
Hey isn’t the fabricator general of Mars basically a fucking AI?
Like literally a half a step away from being Wikipedia
final spruce
Ahhhh I can't find the ranks I'm searching for
Nevermind I just did
Currently working on my admech character for a Dark Heresy 2 campaign and I wanted to know what his rank would be for fleshing out the background
dull osprey
God I love DH2
final spruce
Nothing worth sharing , I like to do basic background to avoid messing up with the dms plans
plush mason
Hey isn’t the fabricator general of Mars basically a fucking AI?
no cuz AIs are a sin remember
rose thorn
dont worry he got 5 braincells left
storm jungle
Nevermind I just did
Yeah remember some of the ranks in the chart are uh
whats the word
combinable?
Magos Dominus etc etc
its why its such an accurate yet big clusterfuck in hierarchy
plush mason
this thing still hurts to look at
plush mason
yeah
barren tapir
It is not complex, it is modular!
dull osprey
Lol
storm jungle
LOL
cerulean wagon
i mean the admech
storm jungle
CLOSE CALL
rose thorn
unnessarly complex and petty? just like admech
dull osprey
Lmao
barren tapir
i mean the admech
Both are right though
plush mason
facts
turbid cosmos
the chart is a very interesting read
rose thorn
hey whats the best box set for tau corpses?
its for my carcharadon corpses
i mean models
oo i found some 3d models
plush mason
so i just remember that in dow 1 the eldar rangers would talk about having returned from exile
are they exiles in the lore?
atomic pelican
Self-imposed exile sort of
They leave their craftworlds to walk the path of the outcast, which.. Isn't really a traditional 'path'
Usually they're wild souls or rogueish types who have grown tired, bored, or frustrated with the restrictions of the life on the path
So they leave
They are free to return at any point
plush mason
i see
atomic pelican
When they say
"We return from exile"
They're referring to the fact that the craftworld you play is calling upon them for aid
Which is pretty common
The Wanderers have returned
You call us back
We return to defend the craftworld
barren tapir
I always wondered how they kept in touch
atomic pelican
Webway travelling very good
Esp since Rangers are especially talented at it
That and + just regular communications systems
barren tapir
So they regularly return to the craftworld to chat
atomic pelican
Sometimes! Yeah
There's nothing stopping them from doing so
Just depends on the specific ranger
barren tapir
I always thought of them as far away guys, which travel where they want without remaining near the craftworld
atomic pelican
Some will literally never return, some will travel and return on occasion, etc etc
In the books, there's a Ranger team that has a ship for their little cadre and they return to Alaitoc to bring back important news and to visit their families
also god the voice acting is so fucking good for the ranger teams
storm jungle
The eldar in general
atomic pelican
😳
atomic pelican
All who love life fear the reaper
storm jungle
atomic pelican
Waiting here is but a phaaaaase of our existence
atomic pelican
also dont forget
My music is a pillar upon which worlds have been built
repeat ad nauseam for how often you click on bonesingers
god I hope one day
we get a good dawn of war sequel
With all the factions that have been added to the setting as armies since ye olden times of DoW1 having every army
GSC/Admech/etcetc
storm jungle
ONE day
rose thorn
also the ability to make your own color schemes, so you can put in lesser known or homebrew crap
plush mason
that ability was cool as hell and also fairly useless lol
storm jungle
Its a REALLY stylized map
that and the makers probably have no idea how a castle/fortress structure works lol
aside from "make giant wall with guns on it"
odd sparrow
that is,, very weird
barren tapir
that and the makers probably have no idea how a castle/fortress structure works ...
This, they must have thought that for conquering a castle you will enter from the most distant place, then you will go trough the entire city, and then only face the main castle
Horus during the siege: "i want to pass trough the lion's gate!"
Everyone else: "what about just attacking the sanctum imperialis outer wall from the south? we could use the building for cover while our sabouteurs will start diggin under it or start blasting it"
Horus: "NO! I want to pass exactly trough the lion's gate! Oh, and i want to land in front of the indicus gate too!!"
While The Aegis is invincible against orbital bombardment is theory, in its weakest outer reaches slow-moving aircraft can penetrate the shield and attack its open generators.
Well, this is just dumb
Oh yeah, this super advanced shield array, it would be a shame if the generators that power it were to be left exposed on the ground wouldn't it be?
God, the imperial palace is some of the dumbest stuff i have read in quite some time...
Lets hope that the pauper princes destroy most of it and it get rebuilt in a decent way
plush mason
and hear i thought dorn was the master of all fort builders
deep skiff
well the shield resisted for like months until he finally get weakened enough too lets pass aircraft
barren tapir
Good thing then that the quote is shared wasn't taken from the siege event
Oh, and you know how chaos corrupted stuff is generally not re used and simply obliterated? Well, turns out that chaos titans were good enough material to make a 100k avenue...
A 100 kilometer-long causeway built from the remains of Chaos Titans from the Siege of Terra.
But remember guys, not power pack from traitor chaos guard, it is corrupted and will probably corrupt you too
plush mason
lol
upbeat arch
what's the eternity gate
i remember ppl being like "it looks underwhelming"
what is it
storm jungle
Basically a massive gate lol
its the final gateway to the sanctum where the Golden throne is
the gate is massive and the walkway's sides is decorated by thousands of battle banners
barren tapir
Well, it is the gate to the sanctum imperialis, if you want to get to the golden throne you need to walk a lot, then you will find a gate where two dreadnought stand guard, after that you find the golden throne
deep skiff
can lets pass imperator titan i think
storm jungle
that art gives no sense of scale
It does actually
look at that little dot in the middle
plush mason
oh i didnt see them
deep skiff
it's not two titan guarding the eternity gate?
storm jungle
storm jungle
it's not two titan guarding the eternity gate?
Warhounds are titans so yes
cerulean wagon
malcador my beloved
plush mason
what they ever do with his ashes?
storm jungle
No idea
his death has only been in brief HH summaries
we'll know when the Siege of Terra finally wraps up
plush mason
i see
deep skiff
best book of the HH so far for me
storm jungle
What is?
barren tapir
His ashes were swiftly and unceremoniously swept aside to let big E sit
plush mason
i still laugh way to hard when i think of the memes that the HH's main lession is that bald white men are evil and cant be trusted
most cuz it seems to be a little true
deep skiff
vulcan is bald
plush mason
and black
upbeat arch
SO wait
storm jungle
the traitors got like
upbeat arch
wait
storm jungle
uh
upbeat arch
im lookin at that map
storm jungle
let me actually count
plush mason
all but one of the traitor primarchs where a bald white man which is where the meme comes from
upbeat arch
the traitor forces need to move from the top left of the map to the top right to finish the siege, right
storm jungle
upbeat arch
- Horus
- Angron
- Peturabo
- Mortarion
- Lorgar
As the bald ones
alpharius
and omey
plush mason
yeah they are bald too
plush mason
only fulgrim had hair iirc
upbeat arch
u cannot trust the bald
im sorry
every time a man loses a hair, he loses part of his soul
plush mason
so 2 had hair the rest didnt
upbeat arch
ther is no stopping it
barren tapir
Do we know if many top guy in GW are bald? I think it could be a nice trolling
upbeat arch
anything you can do to stop the inevitable hairloss will be worse than just losing your hair
its like
upbeat arch
when you try to take take preventative measures to stop chaos corruption but everything gets so much worse
cerulean wagon
it just got worse
upbeat arch
EXACTLY
cerulean wagon
plush mason
lol
plush mason
they signed on with chaos to stop the hair loss
thats great
marsh grail
So in the instances were gene stealer cults last generations would you considered someone born into the cult and dies as natural a death as a regular imperial citizen would, such as old age or your standard work related accidents are they generally happier or have a better quality of life?
They can’t all be mind controlled or see the hive fleet arrive.
atomic pelican
I'd say happier
but they're living a delusion
Their mutations generally make life easier on them, even in industrial hells
storm jungle
Yeah its the same reason people join any reasonable or dumb cult IRL
atomic pelican
They'll have a family who loves them their entire life
As other members of the brood mind are the most trustworthy you'll have
It's a matter of living a happy delusion
They're a happy bunch
also Hisser
so cute
A Cult POV book would slap so hard it's such a shame that there isn't one
marsh grail
but they're living a delusion
Does it matter if it’s a delusion if their life doesn’t end in torture or execution?
marsh grail
So the gene stealers are the “good guys”
storm jungle
Its practically the same as why chaos cults exist everywhere
the Imperium is horribly oppressive
people need escapes
marsh grail
Yeah but chaos is a bit tormental
storm jungle
Thats not how the cult members see it
atomic pelican
Yeah with a GSC ur not gonna be tortured to death for a sacrifice like a Chaos cultist atleast
storm jungle
Yeee
atomic pelican
But yee
marsh grail
Yeah that’s what I meant
storm jungle
Yeah with a GSC ur not gonna be tortured to death for a sacrifice like a Chaos c...
Might get smacked to shit by aberrants but thats your fault for landing in their pen
atomic pelican
Vote star gods for best gods of 40k
plush mason
Yeee but in general GSC cults are legit all in it together
i mean hivemind
storm jungle
I still fucking HATE that 40k has no bloodbowl
the mini ideas write THEMSELVES
also GSC with those multiple arms just comin' in
vapid tiger
Blood bowl is its own setting
Just add a space marine team.
Just slap it in.
it works.
vapid tiger
Like marines and other 40k factions just make landfall in bloodbowl to play it wearing uniforms and all
That would be great
Only ones unique to 40k ofc
So marines, genestealers, mechanicus, etc
storm jungle
Yeee thats what im saying too, the mini ideas literally write themselves lmao
scenic bolt
hell throw in all those weird alien factions that only get 1 model for a blackstone fortress release
do the necromunda gangers
go wild
atomic pelican
So marines, genestealers, mechanicus, etc
please god
I would love this
Bloodbowl is so cool but I'm not too interested in it since it only has old fantasy factions
storm jungle
This lol
scenic bolt
storm jungle
the PERFECT football players
plush mason
wtf are the first 2?
scenic bolt
zoats and ur ghuls
atomic pelican
Zoat and Ur Ghul
final spruce
Urghuls can be fielded with deldars
storm jungle
I said it once ill say it again
i want to put 4 of my fingers in those noseholes
its tempting
👁️
plush mason
so there are zoats in 40k
atomic pelican
bowling
storm jungle
DFSFKDS
final spruce
They used to be tyranid diplomats back in the old days
plush mason
in fantasy they are all the way from the 2nd edition wood elves army book lol
atomic pelican
Yeah pattys are p much just improved broodlords modelwise
vapid tiger
please god
Fr I have a fucking homebrew warhammer setting that's just rh old fantasy world but with stuff from aos and 40k just splashed on top alongside blood bowl and heroquest
Just throw it all together in a blender
and then make it very silly because otherwise it does not mix well
atomic pelican
LMAO
scenic bolt
https://tenor.com/view/confusion-confused-look-questions-why-why-me-gif-17660966
Wait till you hear about the Ultramarines Half-Eldar Chief Librarian that lead imperials to escape from a Tyrannid prisoner camp
1st ed was wild
plush mason
yeah its clear they had a very different plan for the nids back then
vast frigate
i want to put 4 of my fingers in those noseholes
thats when you tell them to clear their nose and their brain blasts out of their ears
marsh grail
Only ones unique to 40k ofc
You sure orks wouldn’t be good? 😂
barren tapir
Anyone have a PDF of codex adeptus custodes 8th edition? No need to be complete, i'm looking only for the lore part, need it to confirm some stuff and research
storm jungle
Anyone have a PDF of codex adeptus custodes 8th edition? No need to be complete,...
ignore the DMCA/Copyright thing, the file download still works
barren tapir
Thank you so much Dilara
barren tapir
Fear not, she didn't committed any crime, the page don't load for me kek
dim totem
go forth and rob the local library
storm jungle
Fear not, she didn't committed any crime, the page don't load for me kek
Aw it didnt work?
storm jungle
Hm strange it is on my end
barren tapir
I will find a way, i just needed a place where to find it
storm jungle
I will find a way, i just needed a place where to find it
Pretty much just write
"40k adeptus custodes codex pdf"
theres a lot of options trust me
storm jungle
Stormcast/Marine height chart thing
smoky mauve
Stormcast/Marine height chart thing
Good old Kruber. Checking out the giant stormcast. I think hes got a shot for some food and drinks.
ionic blaze
Stormcast/Marine height chart thing
Primaris height scaling is weird
On one hand you got all firstborn going HOLY MOTHER OF THRONE SHITTING EMPEROR THOSE GUYS ARE FUCKING HUGE
And the Uriel Ventris book even has primaris Uriel becoming taller than his buddy who needed to use salvaged terminator armor because of how big he was
But then you get the heights and it’s
Space Marine 7’1 vs Primaris 7’6
It’s like
smoky mauve
Whoa wait uriel ventris became a primaris? Neat
smoky mauve
... :(
plush mason
lol
rose thorn
errant mauve
Whoa wait uriel ventris became a primaris? Neat
His primaris book is the Swords of Calth if you're curious
tender igloo
it's a good time, but i am biased towards graham mcneill
storm jungle
I read the entire fucking book just for the one mention of Honsou
PLEASE tell me you just downloaded a PDF and didnt buy the thing 
errant mauve
PLEASE tell me you just downloaded a PDF and didnt buy the thing <:KEK:646309782...
I pirate all my books dilly
You should know me better
storm jungle
Yeee like i rarely buy any 40k books anymore unless its to support the author
I read the Infinite and the Divine for free for example but still ordered a physical copy just to boost its sales
some books like that legit deserve it
smoky mauve
Trayzyn and orikans excellent adventure
gaunt vector
Trayzyn and orikans excellent adventure
i got it for christmas. I haven't read it yet tho
smoky mauve
Enjoy it, its a fun ride
gaunt vector
I asked for it exclusively because of this meme:
smoky mauve
Good choice
plush mason
ok so what kind of AA defences do titans have?
cuz they seem like they would be very easy targets for air craft
gaunt vector
depends on the titan
one of the Emperor varients has 4 of the quad mount autocannons that there are on the Hydra
other than that I think that most of them rely on allied AA tanks, fighters and their massive void shields
plush mason
oh they have void shields
plush mason
also dont the knights act as an anti infantry and ground assult defence for the titans?
gaunt vector
yes
the ad mech ones do
the imperium ones will often go off and do their own thing
basically any imperium army can ally with and escort titans
but it is usually skittari and ad mech knights
plush mason
makes sense
barren tapir
The titan guard is the one force that is officially to guard titans, but of course other forces can help
plush mason
are they a special skittari cohort?
barren tapir
No, they are the secutarii
plush mason
the who
barren tapir
They aren't part of the legiones skitarii, but a parallel force which only duty is to protect the titans
plush mason
i see
marsh grail
Tanks are useless without infantry support same for titans
rose thorn
Hey what happens to the first person to be infected by a genestealer?
atomic pelican
They become a Contagii, and spread the infection to whoever their partner is
Leading to the birth of the first hybrids
plush mason
so a genestealer infects a brothel and the cult just explodes in pop?
turbid cosmos
i dont understand how more pure strains are created in the whole cult process
anyone care to explain that?
atomic pelican
They are born to 4th gen neophytes
plush mason
so are the shocktroop genestealers in the hive fleet different to the cult ones?
atomic pelican
No they're pretty much the same creatures
plush mason
so are hive worlds basicly just walmart brand forge worlds?
storm jungle
so are hive worlds basicly just walmart brand forge worlds?
No they're basically just normal worlds
it has its natural parts mostly intact with a few concentration of hive cities on it
storm jungle
A forge-world is literally a forgeworld
aka every square of the planet is producing something
with hive worlds its specific locations doing the items
their production quotas and the items they make tend to depend however, some are pretty much walmart as you say but a few specific hive-worlds can actually make good items that are included as a part of their regular tithes
final spruce
i just meent in the roll they play
Forgeworld manufacture items
Hive-Worlds manufacture people
odd sparrow
p much yee. Like, the vibe with manufactorums is that it's a giant factory that workers are born into, live in producing items for their entire lives, and eventually die within
a forgeworld is a planetwide manufactorum
A hiveworld is more of a regular high density population centre, can do however many number of things economy wise. Like the difference between a large manufacturing plant with onsite worker apartments, and a regular city
plush mason
i see
barren tapir
so are hive worlds basicly just walmart brand forge worlds?
Kinda, it all depend on the world though, and remember that those are extremely wide categories
And by the info about them, they are categorized based on the amount of pop on the planet... At least for macro categories, then there are sub categories that may indicate with more precision the peculiarity of the world
Like, and hive world can be also an industrial world
And that would be the closest thing to a forgeworld but for the imperium
It is a slightly modular system, like Ad. Mech. ranks
Sadly GW cannot use it well, and regularly pull out of their asses some new name for a category that was already present and that create problems
plush mason
so can a space marine chapter survive the loss of its recuiting worlds?
final spruce
They can yeah , they just need to find a way to get new recruits
plush mason
so a fleet chapter like the blood ravens could have just moved on from their home system and found a new one?
final spruce
Well its not so easy, you need to find planets that haven't been claimed by any other faction or chapter, are mostly free of chaos and human mutations, good culture for Astartes training etc and that are willing to offer some recruits
And in the case of BR its because of plot plus the honour and tradition behind
plush mason
yeah true
barren tapir
Some chapters became fleet based because they lost they homeworld, sometime they find a world that they capture, like the flesh tearers did, sometime one is given to them as reward to some important thing
plush mason
the BR became fleet after they extermanatused their own homeworld
barren tapir
Blood ravens were always fleet based, but like all fleet based they have many worlds that they visit and recruit
barren tapir
the BR became fleet after they extermanatused their own homeworld
Aurelia wasn't their homeworld iirc
plush mason
no cyrine was
barren tapir
Sound it was aurelia
At least according to lexicanum
The thing is, i didn't remember reading that in the three books by C.S. Goto about dawn of war series
All this smell like some retcon done in DoW 2 game
plush mason
very likely
cerulean wagon
thats because the C.S. Goto books are none cannon
plush mason
or that
cerulean wagon
what with the weird torture fetish stuff and grav tanks being killed with actual sticks and stones
plush mason
im still confussed as to just how canon DoW is to the rest of the lore
cerulean wagon
cannon enough GW allowed them to be referenced in SM 1, which since SM2 is occuring is now cannon again
plush mason
i see
cerulean wagon
i say referenced, they help out in a mission
plush mason
i still wonder how much they stole after that lol
like
why do the BR have the hammer fulgrim made for ferrus?
cerulean wagon
because its a game
plush mason
thats just it its not part of the game but the background lore on them
its just locked up in their vaults on their flagship
along with relics from many other chapters
cerulean wagon
its there because its a SM game, so they want you to clap when you see the named items from other lore
its the star wars effect
plush mason
i see
oh wait i just remembered
the BR have no ties to the admech so all their wargear has to be begged borrowed or stolen
save their tech marines ofc
cerulean wagon
thats mostly because at the time the admech didnt exist as its own faction
they were still just the background tech cult
plush mason
still are other fleet chapters like that?
cerulean wagon
like what?
plush mason
lacking direct access to manufactories and forge worlds like the BR
cerulean wagon
they wouldnt have direct access, but they are SM so they can just go and request access
plush mason
yeah true
barren tapir
There are starships that work as forges
plush mason
wait like the one in inqusitor martyr?
barren tapir
No idea about inquisitor martyr, i only know that they take too much liberty with lore
plush mason
so can SMs take their armor off by themselves? cuz it looks like it would be a compleat bitch to get yourself out of without help
smoky mauve
Theres probabaly a quick release thing but i never heard of it like... being used? Id expect there is a quick release or a way they can put it on
At least for like... regular armor. I think terminator plate needs a team
peak hamlet
Terminator def needs help
And honestly even regular one
Not sure on the lore but there is no fucking way they can put on or off the backpack for example
gaunt vector
Not sure on the lore but there is no fucking way they can put on or off the back...
there are several descriptions of SM being armed and armoured
they always need help with the powerpack but other than that they could do it most of it themselves but serfs do it so that they can include all of the blessings and things
SM can remove and replace parts of their armour like their gauntlets as and when they feel like it
plush mason
the gauntlets and helmet would be fairly easy to take off yourself
the rest not so much
marsh grail
Scouts are probably going to be the only ones that can field strip themselves but then again they probably help each other as well in the field.
peak hamlet
Idk how they plan on putting the torso armour on by themselves but that def will get tricky
rose thorn
who was that female necron who fucking loves murder
Xunbakry mother of oblivion
Oh pof i didnt realize she was apart of my favorite necron dynasty
wait
why does Toholk the Blinded have rules
but not a model
storm jungle
Because modellers are lazy
plush mason
lol
rose thorn
bru h
rose thorn
I might make a few one off necron models
i still need to finish my emperors children army
also i need to finish my carcharadons
Wait waht teh fuck i thought the Maynarkh Dynasty had rules?
prisma lark
I think they had, in one of the FW books?
Imperial Armour vol 12, the Fall of Orpheus
vapid tiger
but not a model
Because he's not a space marine
rose thorn
BRUH FUCKING KUTLAKH THE WORLD KILLER DOENST HAVE A MDOEL BUT HAVE RULES TOO?
WHAT THE FUFK
HOW MANY NECRONS ARE LIKE THIS?
I KNOW THE MAYNARKH ARE A FORGEWORLD FACTION
Base
?
LMAO
peak hamlet
Because modellers are lazy
They arent tho
rose thorn
OHH okay
peak hamlet
Blame gw but not the sculptors
rose thorn
actually t toholk and Kutlakh are made by forgeworld, but forgeworld as no models for them.
peak hamlet
Incorrect
storm jungle
Eliminate GW at once.
marsh grail
But what will take its place?
Do you really expect EA to pick up the slack?
Which would be worse. EA or Disney buying games workshop?
Or Facebook
signal hill
please dont give them ideas
peak hamlet
Eliminate GW at once.
No cool minis then tho 😔
errant mauve
No cool minis then tho 😔
I know you didn't mean this but this feels like a low-key jab at all other mini companies
peak hamlet
😳
Tho they sculp their minis by hand so their quality alas can never be as good as gw's
errant mauve
Tho they sculp their minis by hand so their quality alas can never be as good as...
Depends on the model imo
peak hamlet
Also they both used to sculpt minis for gw lmao
errant mauve
yep\
peak hamlet
But like back in 1990 or so
errant mauve
I have some of their man'o'war stuff
I think CAD sculpting thing/tiny details is not quite hand level yet (emphasis on yet)
same with certain angles
peak hamlet
Touch grass geekboy dave
barren tapir
🤣
storm jungle
No like, its a fine question?
But then hes like "I bet even a nuke couldnt possibly hurt a marine."
ffs
barren tapir
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/863857535244173322/929719806863765534/unk...
A barrett should do the trick tbh
peak hamlet
Tldr any modern weapon that can harm medium and heavy armoured vehicles can easily fuck a marine over
cerulean wagon
Fun fact
barren tapir
Even and HMG should do the trick
cerulean wagon
autoguns that kill SM in lore are basically just modern assault rifles with no changes
: )
barren tapir
A missile launcher can also make a marine vanish in a cloud of gore and blood mist
barren tapir
autoguns that kill SM in lore are basically just modern assault rifles with no c...
Battle rifle*
peak hamlet
autoguns that kill SM in lore are basically just modern assault rifles with no c...
I mean they dont punch through their armour tho
peak hamlet
Its just that some parts are less armoured plus they got tons of gaps
cerulean wagon
I mean they dont punch through their armour tho
hahaha yes they do
barren tapir
Its just that some parts are less armoured plus they got tons of gaps
Abdomen! Aim for the abdomen!
cerulean wagon
theres a reason guns have to be specially made to not over penetrate for police service
peak hamlet
There is no way an autogun punches through a marines breastplate skelly
barren tapir
There is no way an autogun punches through a marines breastplate skelly
Actually yes, they can, but it all depend on the pattern
storm jungle
autoguns kill custodes in lore
Get em lads
barren tapir
autoguns kill custodes in lore
Kek, when i was memeing on this you didn't joined me!
cerulean wagon
its not even "can it get through the armour" its "can it wound them" and the answer is yes
barren tapir
I had to clash with Proud alone
cerulean wagon
Kek, when i was memeing on this you didn't joined me!
clash with why?
barren tapir
A pickaxe can also harm a custodes btw
cerulean wagon
it seems entirely fair to me
peak hamlet
its not even "can it get through the armour" its "can it wound them" and the ans...
Im aware, but did you read what i wrote?
cerulean wagon
I mean they dont punch through their armour tho
oh if you mean this then ye certain rifles will
barren tapir
clash with why?
I was memeing that autoguns could kill custodes, and Proud stated that it was just one lucky bullet in dozens
cerulean wagon
probably anything in 7.62 AP rounds
peak hamlet
Autoguns wont punch through a space marines breastplate, not even at close range. You literally said they are current day assault rifles with little changes
barren tapir
Agrippina pattern are 8 long, so we can assume that they are even bigger than our 7.62, then we also have the fenris pattern, that is stated to be superior to normal autoguns and lasguns
cerulean wagon
it will with certain stuff
the fun with guns in 40k is they still use munition types
such as manstopper rounds
which are designed to have additional armour penetration
barren tapir
Now, some MG use 7.62 and i bet that they can harm quite effectively SM, so any battle rifle of our days could harm SM
peak hamlet
which are designed to have additional armour penetration
Unless gw doesnt get any more specific with details "additional armour penetration" isnt very helpful
gaunt vector
Now, some MG use 7.62 and i bet that they can harm quite effectively SM, so any ...
no
barren tapir
Calibre of agrippina pattern is long 8.25
gaunt vector
SM armour would be worse than useless if 7.62 could get through it
cerulean wagon
Unless gw doesnt get any more specific with details "additional armour penetrati...
its -1 AP for tt iirc or 3 ap for the TTRPG, meaning it is capable of punching through SM armour
peak hamlet
SM armour would be worse than useless if 7.62 could get through it
Sm armour would be far from useless, even if you could shoot right through it with anything
peak hamlet
its -1 AP for tt iirc or 3 ap for the TTRPG, meaning it is capable of punching t...
Tabletop is a bad example
storm jungle
Also people forget as "elite" as Marines are they are still mass produced super soldiers
peak hamlet
Like in tabletop space marines have twice the amount of health than chaos ones
Now use that as canon i guess
storm jungle
barren tapir
SM armour would be worse than useless if 7.62 could get through it
Well, probably that was a wrong exaggeration by me, my bad
cerulean wagon
Like in tabletop space marines have twice the amount of health than chaos ones
thats only cause CSM haven't got the update yet which is confirmed coming (eventually)
peak hamlet
thats only cause CSM haven't got the update yet which is confirmed coming (event...
Magnus can be killed by shooting him with enought autoguns
cerulean wagon
yes?
peak hamlet
So thats canon now i guess
barren tapir
Although tbf some heavy stubbers use the same calibre as autoguns, but power armour is stated to be practically immune to it...
peak hamlet
Wrong
Magnus is nearly unkillable in lore, they bombarded him from orbit and it didnt harm him
He also took out those grey knight suit thingys by just looking at them
cerulean wagon
he can't be "killed" but any demon can be sent back to the immaterium under sustained damage
peak hamlet
Tabletop isnt a good representation of lore at all, its very terrible
peak hamlet
Like ok sniper rifles with 36" range i guess?
barren tapir
Tabletop isnt a good representation of lore at all, its very terrible
On this i have to agree with Hobo, TT need to be balanced and fun to play, and it cannot be taken as lore indicative, lore on the other hand can go more bonkers in power disparities imo
barren tapir
Like ok sniper rifles with 36" range i guess?
Isn't that the same range for bolt rifles?
peak hamlet
Yee thx blank
peak hamlet
Isn't that the same range for bolt rifles?
Bolters got 24"
It those eleminator rifles
cerulean wagon
i know TT isn't a good representation but i used it cause i also provided another source that gives a similair stat
peak hamlet
But they got ap -1 iirc
peak hamlet
Skelly you can take out tanks by shooting them with pistols
On a 1 to 6 chance a trank takes damage
barren tapir
Also bois, we are forgetting that there are bullets that used with revolvers can punch trough armour, GSC just received them kek
cerulean wagon
Skelly you can take out tanks by shooting them with pistols
barren tapir
But since GSC use imperial stuff it mean that imperial can have bullets that punch trough SM armour too
peak hamlet
You cant just pick up some parts but ignore others
cerulean wagon
Skelly you can take out tanks by shooting them with pistols
literaly not just using TT to say it has ap
"wow skelly stop using TT"
aight
peak hamlet
What source did u use then?
barren tapir
And tbf it make sense that many ways to kill SM are "forgotten" or hidden because otherwise no need to fear SM, and SM are also a tool to get people in check
cerulean wagon
the TTRPG as i stated
the roleplay games that do a lot of the good lore
that cover stuff for all factions well
peak hamlet
THATS TABLETOP TOO SKELLY
barren tapir
This is a point for Skele
RPG tend to give a better representation of lore than actual TT with minis
cerulean wagon
TT and TTRPG are seperate
peak hamlet
Man games are balanced to be fun and not a good representation of lore, it applies with tt and ttrpg
Thats like saying space hulk deathwing proves genestealer cultists are fucking morons
cerulean wagon
except the 40k ttrpg which is designed to repesent the lore, iregardless of your capacity to deal with them
barren tapir
To a certain extent TTRPG have more disparities in them than TT, especially old TTRPG
barren tapir
Thats like saying space hulk deathwing proves genestealer cultists are fucking m...
That is a videogame though
peak hamlet
I will say it again, game rules arent lore
peak hamlet
That is a videogame though
A game yea
barren tapir
TTRPGs are very different from other kind of games
In TTRPGs there is actually disparities that make the game fun, since it is not just dice rolls and static stats
And you don't have to just face everything like TT or videogames
cerulean wagon
except TTRPGs aren't just a game, the rules are a contextualisation of the lore
you can fight the avatar of khaine in it, but he has a 2 a4 page spread for his lore and stats
and he will most likely just 1 shot you
barren tapir
In TTRPGs you can even not shoot any bullet and still manage to survive and complete quests, which isn't really part of TT or videogames
Although having titus trying to be diplomatic with nids could be fun i think
cerulean wagon
it'd certainly be different
peak hamlet
I mean yeah but again, game mechanics arent lore
barren tapir
In general yes, they aren't lore, unless they are made to reflect the lore
cerulean wagon
that'd be like saying that lasguns don't have charge settings because they exist as a game mechanic and haven't been mentioned in a book for almost 2 decades
barren tapir
It depend on what is the base, if you start from game mechanics then you try to stick to the lore, but if you start from the lore you try to make it into game mechanics
peak hamlet
If it states in some random text what autogun ammo types are capable of penetrating what armour at what distance or whatever then sure but just going "it got ap-3 hence autoguns can pen marine breastplates" is bonkers
cerulean wagon
its an ammo type DESIGNED FOR PENETRATING ARMOUR that exists in lore
i don't understand where the confusion is
peak hamlet
that'd be like saying that lasguns don't have charge settings because they exist...
So they still have been mentioned in books, hence they exist
barren tapir
If it states in some random text what autogun ammo types are capable of penetrat...
Come on, it is GW we are talking about, someone that create around three terms that refer the the same damned thing
peak hamlet
its an ammo type *DESIGNED FOR PENETRATING ARMOUR* that exists in lore
Skelly there are a fuckton of different armour types irl and in 40k, it doesnt have to be marine armour. Designed for penetrating armour could also mean they can shoot right through the armour of a spaceship following that logic
barren tapir
Oh boy here i go with an autogun destroying the planet killer
cerulean wagon
Skelly there are a fuckton of different armour types irl and in 40k, it doesnt h...
now thats being deliberately pedantic
if we are going that far then i guess the SM could be in scout armour and we don't need AP
barren tapir
Kek
peak hamlet
You do realise that marine armour obvs is a lot tougher than flak armour or irl kevlar stuff
cerulean wagon
scout armour isn't
barren tapir
Scout armour is carapace armour
peak hamlet
scout armour isn't
It is, weaker than regular marine stuff but still better than flak armour. Less coverage ofc cuz marines like to expose their bellies for reasons
cerulean wagon
actually fun fact on flak armour, its not actually flak armour anymore
storm jungle
aaaa
barren tapir
actually fun fact on flak armour, its not actually flak armour anymore
True
It is a dumb name anyway
cerulean wagon
its just called that because that was the common body armour used by militaries when 40k was first made
cerulean wagon
hense the original flak armour was designed to look like vietnam flak jackets
peak hamlet
actually fun fact on flak armour, its not actually flak armour anymore
Yee 40k terminology is something different lmao
barren tapir
Like, the cadian breastplate? It is called flak armour, but it has nothing of flak, it is solid, like a carapace is said to be kek
barren tapir
I was so F confused when i went to try to find some sense in that
cerulean wagon
its because they don't want to change the old terminology
but the world around body armour has advanced ahead of where the game started
barren tapir
They are weak
They should improve the crap it was at the start, not keeping it to confuse people
Fix your goddam awful teminology for guns GW FFS!
peak hamlet
Like, the cadian breastplate? It is called flak armour, but it has nothing of fl...
Yee exactly
cerulean wagon
gotta remember that for like
barren tapir
Also FFS GW fix your planet categorization stuff!!
peak hamlet
Also numbers 💀
barren tapir
Fuck me, i'm salty now
cerulean wagon
20 years after 40k first launched
peak hamlet
Still cant believe some ppl think 1 (one) space marine chapter (1000 marines) would easily fuck us over
Like...??
cerulean wagon
the standard armour was still basically flak and kevlar
modern armour is like a 2000s+ thing
peak hamlet
Man a regular ifv would fuck marines up badly
scenic bolt
I remember reading in some interview the head of BL publishing was asked about what BL considers canon and what wasnt. He gave the typical it's all true and it's all not true answer BL usually gives.
But was pressed further and stated that current core rules and current army codices
all materials must adhere to those first and foremost and not contradict them
barren tapir
Weak
scenic bolt
anything else is an exploration of canon set out by those
barren tapir
Always fearing that someone would steal their setting, but it is them that cannot take care of it in the first place
peak hamlet
Results of rheinmetall 30mm apfsds
peak hamlet
I mean yeah
But like if it goes through that it will def pen even terminators
(If we ignore their weird forcefield thingy)
peak hamlet
They look cool tho :(
cerulean wagon
they got that square dumpy
peak hamlet
But yeah puma ifv my beloved 🙏
barren tapir
They look cool tho :(
No they don't to my eyes :C
peak hamlet
Unbased 😔
atomic pelican
Was Volotium a canon autogun bullet type before or was it introduced with the GSC codex
Its the one that can punch through tanks
Then Wyrmtooth rounds are the stronger ones
Wyrmtooth rounds are made by a organism bonding with the revolver too
Volonium*
barren tapir
This is the first time (not counting the first reveal that happened before when talking about GSC and custodes codexes) i heard about these two names, but i'm not extremely knowledgeable about ammo types... This wyrmtooth is simply BS though imo
At least now that i see more about it other than it can penetrate tanks
Seems something made for the kelermorph only...
All the search results point to them
placid timber
atomic pelican
It gives me big The Darkness vibes and I love it
bullet pierces tank
splatters acid everywhere inside
Autoguns keep winning
barren tapir
Autoguns keep winning
Good... Always said that autogun>>>lasgun...
I like projectile weapons more than energy weapons
crisp heath
Autogun stans be coping