#40k-lore-chat

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barren tapir
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Yep

marsh grail
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Why?

barren tapir
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Too much op and would prevent the imperium to devolve into what it is now

marsh grail
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Ah I see

barren tapir
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Dorn would destroy the ecclesiarchy if he return

marsh grail
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Can I get the head count of primarchs that are currently away of their own volition?

barren tapir
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He barely tolerated the proto imperial cultists and did so only because malcador intervened

marsh grail
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Dorn was pulled into the dark not too unlike saltzepyre if I remember correctly.

barren tapir
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All the others went somewhere and never returned

marsh grail
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What about the guy being a troll to one of the daemon promarchs?

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Anyways why did Russ leave?

barren tapir
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He went to search for the tree of life, to find something to heal the emperor

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Oh, yes, corvus left too, although he went on a vengance fueled murder trip on the word bearers worlds

marsh grail
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Ah vengeance fueled. He won’t be back until the word bearers lead a full on assault on the Sol system then.

plush mason
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umm wasnt dorn killed?

marsh grail
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As for Russ I don’t see him coming back until that quest is complete.

barren tapir
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No, until he get the head of lorgar

marsh grail
plush mason
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up till they retconned it atleast

marsh grail
barren tapir
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In old lore dorn was ded yes

barren tapir
plush mason
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wouldnt you?

marsh grail
barren tapir
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Then, instead of the full skeleton of dorn it was just his hand, and i expect to be revealed that it wasn't his hand all this time

plush mason
barren tapir
marsh grail
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Well that can definitely be easily faked for the sake of a retcon at least.

plush mason
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yeah

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thats what they did afaik

marsh grail
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Makes sense

plush mason
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cuz at first they planned to have the primarchs stay gone/dead but lately they have changed that plan iirc

marsh grail
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Ok so this leaves Vulcan. I don’t see any reason he wouldn’t return as soon as he found out what happened to the imperium.

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Obviously. We already have one back.

plush mason
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yeah

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also iirc many perpetuals like vulkan can take 1000s of years to return

barren tapir
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Last time he was seen he was fighting the beast and both were falling into a generator that exploded annihilating everything was near... And even far tbf

plush mason
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yeah

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and that wasnt that long again iirc

barren tapir
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War of the beast was around m32 iirc

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So quite long ago tbh

plush mason
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oh

marsh grail
plush mason
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tbh i have no idea how many perpetuals there are

marsh grail
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What were the senpais again?

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Was that what they were called?

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Those psychers claiming to be descendants of the emperor or something.

errant mauve
eternal ledge
marsh grail
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Oh yeah them

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Were they perpetuals?

errant mauve
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They were retconned out of existence before perpetuals were a thing

marsh grail
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What’s his story?

marsh grail
errant mauve
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if you want a one sentence summary

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Single most based primarch on either side of the heresy

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To elaborate on his departure from his Imperium

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He was one of the few primarchs supportive of splitting the legions, given the already independent nature of the White Scars hordes. The Dark Eldar raided Chogoris during his absence from the planet during the Scouring, as he was spearheading the push against the traitors. In his campaign to retake his home system of the Yasan Sector, the Khan pushed out both the Dark Eldar and the Traitors, but hounded the Dark Eldar into the Webway with his finest Khans, trusting the independence of his chapters.

marsh grail
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Ah so he’s still in the webway?

errant mauve
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Who knows

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probably

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I like keeping it vague

barren tapir
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He is in reality already returned but he is so fast that our eyes and minds cannot see him

errant mauve
marsh grail
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Wait should we count alpharius and his twin who’s name I can’t spell?

barren tapir
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Either that, or he is racing against some ork speed freak

marsh grail
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They might become loyal again.

barren tapir
errant mauve
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considering one of them is dead and the other is a dead-on traitor

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might be tough

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Thank you Alpharius novel

barren tapir
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How you can spell alpharius and not omegon is over my comprehension

errant mauve
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If you want a summary of the Alpharius novel

marsh grail
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You see it more in memes

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No one’s going around saying I am Omegon

errant mauve
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Alpharius is Omegon who is Alpharius and Omegon is Alpharius who is Omegon

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But unironically

marsh grail
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Are you just going to say the same thing reversed?

errant mauve
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Perhaps

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but its confirmed that Alpharius (the actual one) is dead

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and Omegon (not alpharius) is currently alive as per 009.m31

plush mason
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the rabbit hole that is the alpha legion may just be the deepest of all 40k's many rabbit holes

marsh grail
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Could they just be considered a rogue chapter at this point?

plush mason
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yes but also no

turbid cosmos
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ALPHA legion?

crisp heath
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Alpharius died but omega is still alive

turbid cosmos
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def not rogue and full blown hereticus

crisp heath
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The most popular theory is that the emperor secretly raised omegon

turbid cosmos
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or are they?

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thats an interesting theory, id like to hear more about that

crisp heath
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Alpharius thought the emperor’s vision was that humanity would prosper and he saw that if horus won humanity would suffer but still live

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Omegon due to the theory of him being raised by the emperor who knew him more knew the emperor’s vision wasn’t like that

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This created a rivalry

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Soon alpharius died and omegon is in charge

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He kind of helps the imperium in the shadow

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And in the long term

turbid cosmos
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yea but arent they essentially one mind twin psuedo maybe not so psuedo psyker link?

crisp heath
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No not really they aren’t the same

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The alpha legion’s loyalist theories are backed up by the siege of vraks

turbid cosmos
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i for one believe the loyalist alpha legion theories

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they are by far the most interesting canon theoretically. in my opinion

crisp heath
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Before the planet turned heretic they held bio weapons, The imperium was just stationing average forces there just incase, Suddenly the alpha legion arrived and turned the planet to chaos which made the imperium send full force into the planet

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If they haven’t intervened in the planet the imprerium’s forces would’ve been decimated by bio weapons and so on

turbid cosmos
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based.

crisp heath
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Alpha legion are more pro humanity than imperium

turbid cosmos
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Omegon was the shorter of the 2 right?

crisp heath
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They were both short

turbid cosmos
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or were they both shorter to blend better with other SM's?

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yea right right

crisp heath
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But their sons were tall

turbid cosmos
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yea to keep um evened up

crisp heath
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They had some of their marines look like them, They even were as powerful as them but they couldn’t beat primarchs

turbid cosmos
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i really enjoyed the raven guard horus heresy book purely because of the alpha marine agent aspect

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er point of view.

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good stuff

errant mauve
turbid cosmos
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really?

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thats pretty hype

crisp heath
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Yeah it’s kind of canon I guess

turbid cosmos
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a source you could link? purely for my enjoyment

crisp heath
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All the primarchs were thrown across the galaxy including alpharius by the chaos gods

errant mauve
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Alpharius (who later took on the identity of Omegon) was the first primarch found on Luna, as was revealed in his new primarch novel @turbid cosmos

turbid cosmos
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ahh i gotta get a read on that

storm jungle
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Im late but

errant mauve
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Omegon (who later took the identity of Alpharius -- long story) was still the last

crisp heath
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He even raided a Luna wolves ship

storm jungle
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the alpha legion is just a shitfest of memes

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they're a traitor legion with no loyalty to the imperium whatsoever

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lol

crisp heath
storm jungle
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They're always traitor

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so no

turbid cosmos
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disagreed

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but thats the fun part with alpha legion

errant mauve
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@turbid cosmos It's a fun read but imo it reveals too much about the Alpha Legion.

turbid cosmos
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its their plan all along.

storm jungle
turbid cosmos
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lazy can still be enjoyable

storm jungle
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no

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lmao

turbid cosmos
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enjoyable is subjective

errant mauve
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The main thing I particularly like is that it hammers home how little the AL cares about the Imperium, on the Alpharius novel.

turbid cosmos
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you can argue opinion all you want

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but its pointless

errant mauve
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As well as - honestly - what a poor judge of character Alpharius is

storm jungle
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Cool lul

crisp heath
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The only thing that would fill a big hole in lore is abaddon and be’lakor

turbid cosmos
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AL?

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as in alpharius?

errant mauve
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Alpha Legion

turbid cosmos
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oh right right

errant mauve
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I think its nice because it strikes a balance between meme AL and 3rd ed AL

crisp heath
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He saves abaddon numerous times and is always proving to be a good ally

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Dude even told abaddon about one of his warbands betraying him

errant mauve
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@turbid cosmos Do you mind some mild spoilers for several AL novels?

turbid cosmos
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no its all good by me, its something ill likely read on the wiki before the end of the day anyway

errant mauve
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bet

turbid cosmos
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i just enjoy the lore absorption

crisp heath
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If it’s lazy writing it would be on be’lakor

storm jungle
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Hes basically there because he has a mini

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so yes

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in WHF he has a purpose but with 40k its a bit more eh

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but 40k is riddled with lazy writing so its kinda whatever

turbid cosmos
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yea kinda seems like hes jsut around purely to be a big boy model for undivided

crisp heath
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He has a lot of potential

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No one else makes sense to rival or fuck with abaddon

turbid cosmos
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does he have beef with abaddon?

crisp heath
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Currently no but he’s supposed to

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He’s the most arrogant

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Stubborn

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Prideful prick

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In the entirety of warhammer

turbid cosmos
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well hes the "First demon" right?

crisp heath
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Yes

storm jungle
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First Demon Prince

turbid cosmos
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that makes more sense

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sounds like a prideful position

storm jungle
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its the same backstory he has as of WHF

crisp heath
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He killed countless chaos champions in tantrums because the gods liked them individually more than him

turbid cosmos
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i dont know poop about WHF

crisp heath
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He’s basically satan

turbid cosmos
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he looks like it

errant mauve
# turbid cosmos i just enjoy the lore absorption

Basically, most of the Alpha Legion doesn't really know what's going on. Alpharius cultivated a very effective cult of personality within his own legion, but also made in a way so that only the highest echelons of the Legion really knew what was happening behind the scenes. The Alpha Legion are loyal to the Primarch first and foremost, and thus follow his orders - and the orders of their superiors - to the letter, which is why in 40k most Alpha Legionnaires are traitor. We kind of see a pretty awesome version of this was in "Sons of the Hydra", where an AL Chaos Lord - Occam - who still considers himself a loyal servant of the Emperor, wages devastating wars against the Imperium, genociding billions, because his Harrowmaster ordered him to, and orders from above can never be wrong.

crisp heath
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He is literally the master schemer in warhammer

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Barely below Erebus

storm jungle
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Eh kinda

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he barely has any lore

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since he was just slapped in

turbid cosmos
crisp heath
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It’s the same as fantasy so it makes sense to have the same personality

storm jungle
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Not really

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in WHF hes a lot more in-depth lore wise

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with 40k its just "yeah hes here now"

errant mauve
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I think it's a nice point to have as to why most AL we see fight against the Imperium. Even if they are supposedly loyal to Big E, the raw delusional obedience to orders will prevent any Alpha Legionnaire from truly, substantially, helping the Imperium out.

crisp heath
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Yeah that sucks

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He has potential to fuck with abaddon

turbid cosmos
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yea ive read ALOT of 40k books and i dont remember a single passing mention of belakor

crisp heath
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He’s literally non existent

turbid cosmos
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only heard about him when the model dropped

errant mauve
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And when most of high command, like Harrowmaster Quetzel Carthach, are dedicated to the Imperium's destruction, welp, sucks to be a dude like Occam XD

turbid cosmos
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or new model or whatever it was

crisp heath
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I could only think of Erebus or Huron as people to rival him

errant mauve
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Honsou Based

turbid cosmos
crisp heath
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Honsou kinda got fucked

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He’s there but he’s individual and sticks to his legion

errant mauve
crisp heath
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Erebus is fucking around with kor phareon because writers didn’t know what to do with him

turbid cosmos
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hahahaa

errant mauve
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Say what you will about Honsou, but leading an army of 10,000 hobos against Ultramar and bypassing their plot armour is something for the resume keka

crisp heath
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Huron is doing pirate shit like rum and raiding

errant mauve
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All to fuck with Ventris too

crisp heath
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Based

errant mauve
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Walk into Ultramar
destroy 5 planets
Have entire army destroyed
Escape on literal garbage truck
"All according to plan"

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god I love Honsou keka

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Can't keep a man down

crisp heath
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Sigma grind$et

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His goals were just to destroy and die as soon as possible

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Should have been war master of chaos

errant mauve
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Also, I really loved how creative McNeil was in how Honsou got his victories

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Instead of the generic "big doomsday chaos device"

crisp heath
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He just fucking did suicide invasions because some space marines destroyed his demonic abhorrent experiments that defy nature

plush mason
errant mauve
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"Destroy my cloning machine? HOW BOUT I DESTROY YOUR HOMEWORLD, AND THE WORLD YOU LOVE MOST."

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Honsou has no chill

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The Honsou omnibus is still my favourite series by Black Library

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just dudes fuckin around

crisp heath
errant mauve
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Expendable fodder Based

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One of my favourite scenes in Storm of Iron is when Honsou makes the men under him stand in front to absorb incoming fire keka

crisp heath
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Average iron warrior ‘tactics’

errant mauve
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If it works it works

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Hydra Cordatus still fell, no?

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But yeah, the pre-HH era of Chaos novels when Legions weren't pigeonholed into 1 stereotype was lovely

crisp heath
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The only stereotype that’s true is the iron legion

errant mauve
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Minmaxed into Logistical skill

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When you are so logistically competent you can regularly sustain 70% losses and still grow the legion

crisp heath
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What stable geneseeds do to a mf

errant mauve
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Have you read the 2 new honsou short stories?

crisp heath
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There’s new ones?

errant mauve
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Yeah, they came with the limited edition Storm of Iron

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There were lots of cool stuff in them

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but the part that's relevant to this discussion is

crisp heath
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The only interesting csm in warhammer 40k is the biggest war criminal and bio terrorist

errant mauve
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Despite IW geneseed being mutated to shit, Perturabo has still figured out a way to grow the IW to be larger than they were pre-Heresy

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What doing taxes does to a mf

crisp heath
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Honsou does shit more than perturabo

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Perturabo is kind of a dick

errant mauve
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You know whats weird

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Perturabo in the short stories seemed WAY more chill omegalul

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But if its anything, McNeil apparently has something big planned for Honsou and Perturabo in the fture

crisp heath
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Honsou is the face of the iron warriors

errant mauve
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To give a brief summary as to the main points of the Honsou short stories

crisp heath
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What does pert do nowadays

errant mauve
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oh

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that transitions well

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Pert has a realspace empire in Segmentum Tempestus
Honsou recently met Pert in person, and was taken under Pert's wing as his new champion
We learned what DP Pert looks like
Importantly, it seemed Pert is training Honsou in naval warfare
Pert and Honsou have something big planned in the future, it likely involves geneseed

plush mason
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i guess fleeing on a garbage scow made him a good choice for naval training 😛

errant mauve
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LOL

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No marine knows the inner workings of a ship quite like Honsou, literally.

crisp heath
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Is there any csm who is actually kinda good? Has good intentions or something

storm jungle
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No.

crisp heath
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It’s all Erebus’ fault

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Bald prick

cerulean wagon
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i mean

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it comes with being, you know

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chaos

crisp heath
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I know chaos corrupts you unwillingly too

cerulean wagon
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chaos gods arent exactly known for sunshine and happyness

crisp heath
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Just maybe an anti-hero

storm jungle
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They also suffer from the Decepticon Syndrome so

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i think i can recall a few minor examples but i only saw this in r40klore where uh

errant mauve
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Good intentions?

storm jungle
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i think a word bearer? Helps a little girl get away

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the twist is

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she was infected by a genestealer

crisp heath
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Oh shit

errant mauve
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I guess certain nurgly fellas and Alpha Legion operatives are huffing enough copium to think what they're doing is with good intentions

crisp heath
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I always thought the word bearers had good intentions

errant mauve
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Like uhh

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whats their name

crisp heath
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But awful execution

errant mauve
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The Purge

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definitely think they have good intentions

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but their intentions is the death of all life

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so

crisp heath
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The purge straight up just massacred civilians

errant mauve
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you win some, you lose some

peak hamlet
errant mauve
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But if you mean by like

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good intentions through their actions

cerulean wagon
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"anti hero" and "chaos" do not go together

errant mauve
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pretty much no Marine or Chaos Space Marine really fits that bill perfectly

cerulean wagon
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your anti heroes are the imperium, maybe, at a push

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probably not heroes still

errant mauve
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They're still first and foremost weapons of war, and they tend to behave accordingly

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Especially for CSM where might often makes right

crisp heath
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There was a short story about a black legion csm that got converted and he ended up regretting that so much and he did some actually okay stuff

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I don’t remember where it is I’ll try to search it up again

storm jungle
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Ngl chaos has some pretty good goals

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i approve of killing innocent people as well

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👁️

errant mauve
storm jungle
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I know whats it like

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I played a lot of GTA ok

crisp heath
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War crimes can lead to the survival of mankind

storm jungle
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LMAO

cerulean wagon
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just gta right dilara?

storm jungle
cerulean wagon
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...dilara?

storm jungle
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Yes.

cerulean wagon
peak hamlet
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Based™️

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But yeah the purge def is anti chaos. They want to eradicate all life to weaken the gods iirc

cerulean wagon
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but yeah unfortunatley if you are looking for heroes chaos, or marines in general, is not where you want to be looking

crisp heath
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Yes Lorgar trust me if we brutally sacrifice and massacre entire planets to the dark gods this will lead to a potential growth in humanity as well as survival of the imperium in the long term

errant mauve
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Sounds based to me

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Erebus does it again

crisp heath
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Didn’t he throw a tantrum at horus and horus just flayed his face off for that

errant mauve
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kind of but in the opposite

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Horus was the one who got pissy

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Erebus was generally just being Smug Asshat ™️

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like he usually is

crisp heath
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When he tried to convert sanguinuis

errant mauve
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I mean

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if I have to be honest

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Erebus might've been onto something at Signus Prime

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if he plan went off who knows, maybe Khorne would make the other gods jealous by having 2 legions on his side

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But Signus Prime however, did not succeed

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So better luck next time Khorne

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You can have a consolation prize with Angron

crisp heath
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Erebus is an mvp of the entirety of 40k but the writers decided to have him dicking around with kor phareon

errant mauve
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This guy gets it

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Erebus has already won

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I guess until inevitably he doesn't because Black Library is allergic to Chaos

crisp heath
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He could be a rival to abaddon

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Considering how the two of them are prideful stubborn backstabbers

errant mauve
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I guess the thing is like

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I'm sure Erebus is more than happy chilling on his own daemonworld sipping Warp Juice margaritas

crisp heath
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Lol

errant mauve
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Though there was that one time he went to genocide dozens of planets during the 13th black crusade for the lulz

crisp heath
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Considering sicarus is a shitty planet with a shitload of slaves building chaos monuments in his name wouldn’t be too bad

errant mauve
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Yup

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He's almost like a Mafia made man lol

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untouchable

crisp heath
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No idea why he would have a rivalry with kor phareon

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What did that old ballsack do

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In the setting as a whole

errant mauve
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basically

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you know how back in the day

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cardinals would get into fights over who gets to be pope

crisp heath
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yeah

errant mauve
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Erebus and Kor

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same thing

crisp heath
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Erebus is a master schemer

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Literally up there with the chaos gods

errant mauve
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Kor the... wrinkly old man

crisp heath
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Kor is literally an old ballsack that isn’t even a space marine fully

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His own men make fun of him

errant mauve
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I guess the thing is that despite all the shit Kor deserves, he's still supernaturally charismatic and holds unparalleled knowledge on chaos, on par with Erebus

crisp heath
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The issue is kor had knowledge of the colchis gods

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Who were a shade for the chaos gods

errant mauve
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But over 10k years I'm sure he's done some reading

crisp heath
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Whilst Erebus knew about the chaos gods when he was merely a kid

odd sparrow
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nerd

errant mauve
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Kor did try to coup Erebus

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and convinced a fair amount of the Brotherhood to join him

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so he definitely can cultivated a cult of personality

crisp heath
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What happened to the coup

errant mauve
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one of the dark apostles within the brotherhood

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Marduk

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tipped Erebus off

crisp heath
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What’d Erebus do

errant mauve
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Nothing

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He knew Kor couldn't politically maneuver himself out of it

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so he just sat back and watched the old bastard make a fool of himself

crisp heath
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Erebus literally fucking created the downfall of the imperium itself and countless other races

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Writers won’t let him beat an old ballsack that isn’t even a space marine

errant mauve
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Why work hard when doing nothing solves the problem? It ain't Erebus' style.

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I'm guessing he enjoyed watching the irony of Kor Phaeron building his own guillotine

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Because after the failed coup, Kor voluntarily left the high council of the Word Bearers and effectively lost all the soft power he held

crisp heath
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So now Erebus is the top dog

errant mauve
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Top dog in all but name pretty much

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Kor still kept his official position

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but has no support from the upper echelons from the Dark Apostles

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Hence why you never see him do stuff with the main WB forces anymore

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Erebus has the support of Lorgar, the Brotherhood, the Legion, and (arguably) the gods

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Another good day to be the Hand of Destiny

crisp heath
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Abaddon is a pretty horrible warmaster so Erebus would be better but that’s never happening

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Huron maybe

errant mauve
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Honsou and Huron really should just overthrow Abaddon keka

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they already have each other's phone numbers

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I'd kill for a honsou model and a new huron model

crisp heath
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Abaddon literally feeds Huron anything and everything so he keeps his loyalty

errant mauve
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I still find it hilarious that Honsou is effectively a drug dealer between Abaddon and Huron

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but the drugs are geneseed

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and he just constantly swindles the Black Legion

crisp heath
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The dude commits war crimes, Kills his own legion in war for a small purpose and doesn’t regret it, Created a horrid daemonic system that makes everything in warhammer seem fun, Puts daemons in machines and messes with the biggest chaos legion just for small reasons

errant mauve
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Absolute CHAD

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And he still stays winning 24/7

crisp heath
#

He’s even winning

errant mauve
#

Abaddon: Swindled
Huron: Scammed
Ventris: trolled
Ultramar: Ravaged
Tarsis Ultra: destroyed
Imperial Fists captain: killed

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A day in the life of Honsou

crisp heath
errant mauve
#

The Medrengardian Grindset

peak hamlet
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Ib4 honsou gets murdered by big g because black library felt like it

errant mauve
#

BOBO WHY

storm jungle
#

LMAO

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sorry Honsou time to get poked by my Delete Sword™️

errant mauve
#

I'M GONNA REPORT YOU FOR HARRASSMENT

errant mauve
barren tapir
#

When big g will discover what honsou did to ultramar i think he will like to have a chat with him

errant mauve
#

Honsou dodging Big E's death rays:

rose thorn
#

Hey so how is a chapter master chosen when a chapter is first made?

eternal ledge
#

From what I understand is typically if they are founded from a another chapter a veteran from that chapter is chosen to lead

rose thorn
#

Ah okay

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Than if that chapter master were to die?

barren tapir
#

Each chapter has its own traditions to appoint subsequent chapter masters

rose thorn
#

Perfect!

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My plan is that the first chapter master of my chapter was telling the rest of the chapter ‘yo primaris isn’t bad’ then he ‘ends up’ being thrown out the airlock

rose thorn
#

What should I name the cult leader in my space marine chapter

barren tapir
#

Cult leader?

rose thorn
#

Yeah, my space Marine chapter is extremely susceptible to religious influence, and they burned their original chapter master alive because he was pushing for primaris despite the chapter’s geneseed is rapidly becoming uncontrollable

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So the leader of the cult of the Wrath of the God Emperor and his followers took over

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The cult originated after hearing about and supposedly seeing burning godly figures who they believe are embodiment of the wrath of the god emperor

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They worship the legion of the damned via burning everything

rose thorn
#

And they have a solid chance of just imploding

smoky mauve
#

The .... Word.... Bearers? 🤣

rose thorn
#

damn it

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Fuck it the Cult Leader is a Word Bearer and the entire legion is being corrupted

#

How the fuck did a word bearer sneak onto a fleet based iron hands successor chapter

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And manage to start a cult around a loyalist demon

plush mason
#

plot

smoky mauve
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

rose thorn
#

Easy

barren tapir
#

Peasy

eternal ledge
meager gale
#

dark kraken are still my fave successor but these dudes are pretty cool too

barren tapir
#

There is also an angels chapter that it high on burning books iirc

meager gale
#

which angels chapter lol

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dark or blood

rose thorn
meager gale
#

theyre the farenehight 451 space marines

barren tapir
meager gale
#

terrific colorway

barren tapir
#

On the other hand, there is a chad chapter, the Tome Keepers

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They are really great

rose thorn
#

Never heard of them

barren tapir
#

Since you like to burn things it is for the better probably

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Religiously burning things

rose thorn
#

What do you mean we are just carrying the God Emperor’s will

image0.jpg
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Hey when was that thing when there was a shit load of cult uprisings

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It was something of the false primarch

barren tapir
storm jungle
#

I love how thats literally the pre-heresy word bearers symbol

#

a bit sus innit

plush mason
#

you mean the imperial heralds

rose thorn
#

WAR OF THE FALSE PRIMARCH

storm jungle
#

They're up there with the Word Eaters

rose thorn
#

Bruh word bearers must be so fucking salty when their religion because Main Stream

plush mason
#

nah word bearers are just fuck head cultist. aka the kind of people they use to kill before finding lrogar lol

barren tapir
meager gale
#

Covenant of Fire’s chapter master is Guy Montag

rose thorn
#

Ahh,

Damn renegade space marines should have their own rules

plush mason
#

who or what was the false primarch?

rose thorn
#

Purged from documents

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Completely unknown

plush mason
#

so it could have been one of the 2 lost ones for all we know

rose thorn
#

yup

barren tapir
plush mason
#

didnt the alpha legion have a way to make a marine into a demi primarch?

rose thorn
rose thorn
# rose thorn

Literally everything we know about the false primarch

plush mason
#

lol

rose thorn
#

Thanks inquisition

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It’s a cool excuse to make renegade space marines chapter though

rose thorn
plush mason
#

yeah and they where like the only primarchs that could due to the fact they where the size of a normal SM

barren tapir
#

Alpahrius was slightly smaller than other primarchs, and alpha legionnaires were slightly bigger than other SM

rose thorn
#

Ight jm happy with my chapter lore

#

Now I need to write about the word bearer who highjacked the entire chapter and their relationship with the rest of the emporium

#

(Not positively)

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Imperium

#

Not emporium

vapid tiger
#

The most important question

#

Hrud: Hooded ratmen or walking trashmen?

#

discuss

rose thorn
#

Trash men

vapid tiger
#

If they were an army would you expect to see exclusively trashmen, exclusively hoodmen or both

rose thorn
#

Both

rose thorn
#

Woman Hurd

image0.jpg
atomic pelican
#

Doesnt look like stretch armstrong fail

rose thorn
#

What she doin with that tongue tho

plush mason
#

do you really want to know?

marsh grail
plush mason
upbeat arch
rose thorn
#

Hey who’s the leader of the emperors children right now anyway?

#

Since fulgrim is pouting in his jizz hot-tub all day

plush mason
#

they dont have one save lucius iirc

rose thorn
#

Lucius LMAO

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That’s a stretch isn’t it?

plush mason
#

yeah the warbands of the emperor's children dont have much in the way of leadership

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ofc all they do is raid poorly defended worlds for slaves so

rose thorn
#

Fair

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I hope hey make a come back in the lore soon

#

Probably not because Slaanesh is really deep in the AOS lore so they wouldn’t want to write more of that

plush mason
#

maybe but it seems they are in the same boat as the world eaters and thousand sons. more or less special units in the chaos army

rose thorn
#

I’m so fucking sick of black legion being the only thing of chaos at all

atomic pelican
#

Deathguard doe

#

DG have been most prominent recently I think

rose thorn
#

Death guard are Pog, I’m happy for them

plush mason
#

yeah the word bearers the deathguard and the iron warriors are all their own faction

rose thorn
#

Havent word bearers been a joke?

plush mason
#

hasnt abbadon?

rose thorn
#

And iron warriors haven’t done much

rose thorn
crisp heath
rose thorn
#

Flawless hosts would have been perfect for the new box set :/

#

Or maybe even iron warriors

#

Or not the black legion

crisp heath
#

Black legion are just generic chaos warriors like in fantasy

#

Nothing special

#

Word bearers should be the main chaos undivided force

rose thorn
#

actually it should have been iron warriors because of the warp smith

crisp heath
#

Since they’re actually undivided

rose thorn
#

Yeah

#

Black legion was a good for the fall of Cadia

#

But after that they should have fizzled out

#

Or just not be everywhere

#

Or do what space marines are doing and just change focus on a different chapter

#

Instead of all ultramarines it’s now 90% black Templar’s

potent swift
#

I'm a tiny bit salty the new Warpsmith was painted Legion instead of Iron Warrior. Such a missed oppurtunity.

gaunt vector
#

yeh

rose thorn
#

It would have been perfect thematically too

neat fiber
#

Random thought that popped into my head because I saw something and have questions about

#

So Trazyn had a custodian and then later released him on Cadia alongside all the other imperium forces he used

#

I'm pretty sure its said the Custodian survived too so do we know anything about them?

#

I always kind of thought that the custodian was the one captain general who was said to have disappeared (Sorry I forgot his name)

crisp heath
#

We no nothing about the custodes in Trazyns museum

#

We do know some stuff about Valdor tho

smoky mauve
#

Lets... uhhh do Art?

prime kernel
#

@smoky mauve dude this shit be tiiiight

smoky mauve
#

Needs more marines actually being tactical. But yeah, this person's art is fantastic

prime kernel
#

@smoky mauve when is the last time youve seen a marine being tactical?

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Except for the iron warriors

smoky mauve
#

Just... as a friend put it "they're not living greco-roman frescoes, thinking and behaving in incomprehensible ways, they're just really fucking strong and smart people and they bicker, make mistakes, miss things, give up, etc. just like humans"

But they've got greater strength, and speed and reflexes, and so likewise their mistakes should thusly be amplified.

But thats me lol

prime kernel
#

@smoky mauve ehhh they are rather emotionless too.

smoky mauve
#

Ehh, I guess it depends on the chapter

prime kernel
#

They lost a part of their humanity a looong time ago

smoky mauve
#

I always think that'd be their failing. Forgetting what they fight for.

serene jungle
smoky mauve
eternal ledge
#

Listening to "Pharus" and they got to the part where we get a glimpse of Dorn smoking from a pipe

#

So grandfatherly

marsh grail
#

You know I just realized why Starcraft marines are cooler than 40k marines. They can smoke with their helmets on.

plush mason
#

lol

marsh grail
#

Which are taller actually? I know space marines fill their suits but if I remember correctly from the books a Terran marine basically goes to the knees and elbows.

storm jungle
#

one moment

#

lemme get my Big Chart™️

marsh grail
#

Nice

storm jungle
#

Generally depends (since starcraft is wacky) but really almost the same height

marsh grail
#

Cool. Also captain Titus.

storm jungle
#

Yus.

barren tapir
#

Dayum, skitarri are tall

#

A scout is the same height of a SM in power armour?! I call this BS!

marsh grail
#

So does this mean Titus in space marine 2 should be taller?

barren tapir
#

Oh, so master chief is the same height of titus...

barren tapir
marsh grail
#

And to think grotz already seemed tiny.

barren tapir
#

Dafuq?! Gregor clegane is taller than SM!!

marsh grail
#

This must be why it’s vs tyranids now

storm jungle
marsh grail
#

What’s the smallest bio form?

storm jungle
#

In the chart?

barren tapir
marsh grail
#

Well thicker sure but not too much taller.

barren tapir
#

Fuck, clegane is the same height of average SM in terminator armour...

marsh grail
storm jungle
#

Ah no idea, im just scrolling through it in tabs

storm jungle
barren tapir
#

Fokken hell taller than custodes too!

marsh grail
#

I’m looking to see what space marine 2 might replace the little guys with. Perhaps gene stealer cultists?

storm jungle
#

Most likely but we'll se how much they'd program enemy types to begin with

scenic bolt
#

Gants and Gaunts

storm jungle
#

hes said to have constant head pains

#

and also drinks a lot of anti-pain stuff from medieval eras

barren tapir
#

Hol on, why long war veterans (CSM) are the same height of clegane? Do chaos make you taller?

marsh grail
#

Probably

storm jungle
scenic bolt
#

That or you have inconsistencies that pop up in 40+ years of ongoing lore

barren tapir
storm jungle
barren tapir
#

Also there are two instances of average astartes in the chart

storm jungle
#

Yeee its why the marines have transparent clones behind them

#

since as the text says it varies

barren tapir
#

Damn, super mutants are huge!

storm jungle
#

KRORK MOMENT

barren tapir
#

Fallout must have some shit height representation then, never saw super mutants that huge when i was shooting them dead... With the exception of behemoths, those were huge

#

Lol, master chief lose 4 inches outside armour, while SM remain the same... BS i say

storm jungle
barren tapir
#

FFS kroot are monsters!

#

2.3 meters minimum!

#

Fear the chicken!

storm jungle
#

I didnt know half of these guys were that tall believe me

#

a fucking Grunt could probably kill me lul

barren tapir
#

A grunt can be taller than me!

#

Now i feel insulted!

#

Oh come on! Even tau firewarrios are taller than me!

#

This is it, i'm gonna kneecap all tau

mint hill
#

Don't worry, Ethereals are always sitting.

marsh grail
#

So does this mean that you are 5’4”?

atomic pelican
#

Average guardsman at 5'10

#

Sad

rose thorn
#

I like how the moment I make a custom space marine chapter I immediately don’t wanna make them lmai

storm jungle
#

lmao

#

welcome to creation my dude

#

i feel shit about half the stuff i make lul

barren tapir
#

So, CSM, at least veterans of the long war, are taller than custodes...

#

In average

rose thorn
#

Yeah not counting chaos shenanigans

atomic pelican
#

5'11 custodes vs 6'0 Lw vet

barren tapir
#

7'10 vs 8'0

rose thorn
#

Any chapters like that’s

storm jungle
#

Honestly not that i think so?

#

red corsairs are there but like

#

they're pretty much chaos marines that just steal more shit

crisp heath
#

Custodes are pretty tall wtf yall talking about

storm jungle
atomic pelican
#

According to the chart LW vets outheight them

rose thorn
#

I know the carchadons

#

But i don’t like grey armor

barren tapir
crisp heath
#

I can't see that chart but what's the source

rose thorn
#

Wait but they use older armor

storm jungle
atomic pelican
#

I still love how massive patty is

rose thorn
#

Actually I might make them

crisp heath
storm jungle
#

also the source is pretty much any 40klore book

#

i know the guys that made this they put A LOT of hours into it

#

its why theres explanations like terran marine heights depending on the context or the long war chaos marines being tall etc

rose thorn
#

Their lore is cool too

#

Literally just space pirates

They steal treasures and give them to the admech for supplies

crisp heath
#

Oh hey its the chapter my chapter fought and almost killed each other to a man

#

Look up the Corcyran Massacre

barren tapir
#

All this make SM less impressive to me, and CSM more scary to me

rose thorn
#

But GW made them just clowns

barren tapir
#

When the edgy spiked SM is taller even that the golden banana bois it is time to make sure to not shit your pants

storm jungle
rose thorn
#

But In reality they capture a mother of 3 children and make them watch while she screams in agony as her skin gets peeled off by a CSM who wants a snack

barren tapir
#

Join chaos, you get taller!
And this is how black legion increased its recruitment rate

rose thorn
#

emperors children is cooler but what ever

crisp heath
#

The necrons heights are wrong

barren tapir
#

And the source is?

crisp heath
#

We don't have a lot to judge necron height but one short story I'll find it in a sec has them an immortal lifting a space marine off the ground by the neck by holding out its arm so they are much taller than Space marines

storm jungle
#

When they're upright necron warriors are almost as tall as a space marine though obviously far less bulky, Immortals have been stated in the necron codices to be also taller than marines.

rose thorn
#

Why the fuck are necrons so hunched over anyway?

storm jungle
#

doesnt really seem wrong at all

storm jungle
#

makes them rusty and creepy

rose thorn
#

They used the rogue trader art

storm jungle
#

Thats an updated warrior look

#

rogue trader necrons had no necks lmao

barren tapir
#

When a single necron warrior is taller than the average SM an immortal can indeed just take off the ground a SM by the neck

storm jungle
#

yeah and its really just an author doing it for show

barren tapir
#

Since the head of a SM is what? x cm

storm jungle
#

i wouldnt exactly care about heights either when im writing a throat-grab

#

the author probably just went "eh they're almost the same height, ill go with that"

barren tapir
#

I mean, a SM in a terminator armour can be the same height of a necron lord, and termi armour for sure add height

#

An average necron lord btw, which is taller than custodes lol

storm jungle
#

Lmao yeah

barren tapir
#

Although there is an error

rose thorn
#

I’m playing dawn of war, which is my first RTS ever and it’s so much different than what I usually play

#

I play turn based strategy games ans this is so weird to me lmao

crisp heath
#

Damn I can't find the name of the story

rose thorn
#

Dawn of war 2

barren tapir
#

A praetorian is listed as 7'10, while a necron lord is 8'0, but in meters the lord is shorter than the praetorian

crisp heath
#

Might be the blood angles story where they meet up

storm jungle
#

ITS GONNA GET WORSE FROM THERE

rose thorn
#

WHAT

scenic bolt
#

so basing off average guard to average astartes the process adds 1'2" making a bunch of asumptions

#

if thats true if I were an astartes I'd be taller than a custodes

crisp heath
#

As for custodes height its says in the 7th ed Custodes codex are close to 9ft without the helmet

scenic bolt
#

that's about as close to a canon height as you can get

vapid tiger
#

@smoky mauve you never posted the best one

scenic bolt
#

since anything in current army dexs or the core rules is actual canon

vapid tiger
#

Well one(s)

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rose thorn
#

YESSSS

#

IVE NEVER SEEN THAT EMPERORS CHILDREN ART

vapid tiger
#

Fanart :(

#

But it's what I'd like to see an ec army update look like

rose thorn
#

aw L(

smoky mauve
#

Honestly that dude has some fantastic work

errant mauve
storm jungle
errant mauve
#

I'm pretty sure its old lore but I'll take it

storm jungle
#

Mayo how dare you

#

you were praising that chart a week ago LMAO

errant mauve
#

I was

#

but even then

#

I mentioned it was probably old lore

#

HH do be gettin rid of tall oldmarines

cerulean wagon
#

you're old lore

errant mauve
#

Your mom is old lore

cerulean wagon
#

well ye shes fuckin ancient lmao

errant mauve
vapid tiger
#

Important lore

errant mauve
vapid tiger
#

Wait a minute

#

So if the classic imperium justification is "well they need to do all the bad stuff to survive, therefore they are not evil"

Does that mean dark eldar are not evil by the same logic

plush mason
#

so that prophet of the waag guy. how much athority does he really have?

rose thorn
vapid tiger
#

I mean dark eldar are only submitting people to an eternity of agony to keep themselves alive right??? That means they're good guys by imperial fanboy logic

rose thorn
#

Tau influenced

#

Included

scenic bolt
#

Or nids just want to find food sources to live and thrive, no moral judgements there

storm jungle
#

MOST dark eldar fucking love murdering people

#

1 sec

#

heres my meme for it

#

only the 1% of their society feels bad/miserable doing the shit they do

vapid tiger
#

Yeah but most of the imperials carrying out genocide love their jobs

storm jungle
#

Oh god yeah

#

the Imperium is majorily evil

#

they can act good but wont

#

its the main core of the setting

#

they sacrifice their future now to pave a desperate way for their war effort

vapid tiger
#

yeah

tender igloo
#

that's why i love drukhari more than eldar. they just doubled down on doing what caused their fall in the first place

vapid tiger
#

i think most people here know that but some people don't really think of it that way

storm jungle
#

Oh 100%

vapid tiger
#

"Bro bro bro you can't use modern morality when looking at 40k!"

storm jungle
#

LMAO

plush mason
#

"BuT tHeY ArE HumANs so ThEY Must bE ThE GoOd GuYs!!!!!" -average imperium fan

vapid tiger
#

Even though it's not real

#

and written by modern humans

storm jungle
#

like

#

it has gotten to the point

#

that GW itself has to say it

#

that says a lot

vapid tiger
#

Like a majority of fans aren't weirdo imperium stans

storm jungle
vapid tiger
#

But there sure is an alarming number of them

scenic bolt
#

they lost the boat when you had people looking to the imperium as aspiration

storm jungle
#

PAİN

tender igloo
#

i like the imperium because being evil is fun

vapid tiger
#

^

storm jungle
#

Yeah exactly

#

one of the bigger focus points is that the Imperium as a regime is evil and also crushes the few good people between its gears

#

Commissar Gaunt and his regiment get sent to a dead world to guard it for no reason other than his superiors hating him

#

if he was anywhere else he'd be saving a world with his lads and lasses by some point

tender igloo
cursive hull
#

Ciaphas Cain is a good person despite the Imperium, not because of it

#

Ditto Gaunt

storm jungle
#

Lmao yeah he has good people around him

#

also an Inquisitor sugar mommy that gets him out of trouble but thats not important right now

final spruce
#

Cain tends to be a big womanizer tho

cerulean wagon
#

Amberley 😩

cursive hull
#

Eh. Sure.

But womanizing is like, the least evil thing a citizen of the Imperium can do.

scenic bolt
plush mason
#

everyone needs some kind of flaw in any story

final spruce
cursive hull
#

True.

potent swift
#

At first glance, Robbie Gilman literally thinks the Imperium dying out during the Heresy would have been preferable to the Imperium existing as is. Which you'd think would be enough for some people

storm jungle
#

And yeah its another point on the Heresy with the nicer primarchs, they were cruel because they were ognna change the Imperium and utilize reforms once the galaxy was conquered, then it lal went to shit

cursive hull
#

Also, a Keeper of Secrets knows him by name.

Cain has other problems.

storm jungle
#

the fact that he flirted with that thing to distract it while Jurgen got the melta ready tho

cursive hull
#

Cain utilizing all of his talents, clearly.

barren tapir
#

I knew only of the priestess that he shooted stating the he preferred blondes (amberley)

plush mason
#

is Carlos Mc'connal just a meme character?

scenic bolt
#

well thats moot point cause cain's dead

cursive hull
#

Most (human) characters in 40k are dead by modern era

#

Yes

storm jungle
scenic bolt
#

space marine I think

potent swift
barren tapir
#

I think he survived into m42

plush mason
storm jungle
#

WHAT

#

👁️

plush mason
eternal ledge
plush mason
#

well if the world he found and named after himself is canon. i guess he has to be...sadly

storm jungle
#

I love this

#

saving it

plush mason
#

the gif?

#

its from a russianbadger video lol

marsh grail
#

Are there heretic custodes?

vapid tiger
#

Nop

marsh grail
#

Should there be?

storm jungle
#

Nah it doesnt fit them

#

like not even as a purity thing

#

they are DEEPLY brainwashed and indoctrinated to have almost no traitarous thoughts

#

with Marines that process is just largely mass produced/yeeted out in comparison

marsh grail
#

So surviving thunder warriors is the closest thing then?

storm jungle
#

Hm?

#

as in being heretics?

rose thorn
#

INLOVE HIM

potent swift
#

I'm not sure there are any surviving Thunder Warriors

#

Although, I suppose some madman could rediscover the process to making them

storm jungle
#

Yeah canonically they're pretty much extinct

#

BUT 40k being 40k just go with "Dead until GW brings one back for a novel"

cursive hull
#

The thing is, Thunder Warriors were highly unstable

#

They were basically burning out by the end of the reunification of Terra

#

Those who's bodies weren't failing, had failing minds, with only a small number of them remaining in good condition.

crisp heath
#

I guess Trazyn could have one stashed away

potent swift
#

I've always held a secret hope that, in response to the Primaris, Chaos bullshitium allows someone to figure out how to recreate the Thunder Warriors. The natural conclusion of old vs new vibe CSM vs SM have going on.

#

Ailing bodies? Failing minds? Not a problem when it's Chaos pumping them out!

crisp heath
#

I mean why have Thunder warriors pumped up with chaos juice when you could have space marines pumped up with chaos juice

potent swift
#

Thunder Warriors were actually physically superior to standard Astartes but had a much shorter lifespans. If anything, Chaos would see that as a feature instead of a bug

cursive hull
#

So, not quite

#

The Thunder Warriors are basically prototypes for the Space Marine process, which is more refined.

#

Where as the Custodies were each individually created.

marsh grail
#

I see. To build on what others said chaos would see no downside to thunder warriors and any hiccups could be easily fixed with a little daemonic possession or something similar.

#

Don’t chaos ogryns like die in 10 minutes because of all the drugs?

final spruce
#

Well i think the issue would come from manufacturing them

marsh grail
#

See daemon colaba

final spruce
#

In vraks yeah some ogryns die from drug overdose yee

storm jungle
#

Chaos creatures live as long as the plot demands it

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👁️

final spruce
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Yeah nah they usually use vat or cloning facilities

marsh grail
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Did thunder warriors require gene seed?

cursive hull
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I don't believe so?

I think the Geneseed is what made the Space Marines (Relatively) more stable

marsh grail
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If not some of the more desperate heretic chapters or angrier ones could turn to it.

final spruce
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It coul happen

marsh grail
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So if a chapter doesn’t have enough gene seed it could be a way to increase their numbers.

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That or fabulous bile gets bored.

crisp heath
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When Huron turned silly and started to become a genocidal Blackbeard why did the imperium forgive the legions that sided with him when they got fucked

storm jungle
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some of them just died on the spot for no reason from organ failure

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no gene-seed involved

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just fast processing

marsh grail
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Nice sounds perfect then.

cursive hull
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I don't think a lot of the chapters who sided with Huron were quite aware.

storm jungle
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lmao

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Also yeah Huron basically tricked all of them

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its why a good majority just dipped once thye realised what the deal was

marsh grail
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Huron?

cursive hull
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The uh...

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Fuck what was the war...

storm jungle
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Do you mean...

cursive hull
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Badab war?

storm jungle
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The BaDab War

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yes

cerulean wagon
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the goo goo gaga war

upbeat arch
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badab war rocked

marsh grail
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That I’ve heard of but can’t recall anything.

upbeat arch
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wish i was around when that dropped. was probably cool to follow

crisp heath
storm jungle
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lmao

crisp heath
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Someone say Badab

storm jungle
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Possibly.

cursive hull
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Besides that

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"Forgiven" is kind of a stretch in that case

crisp heath
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They’re gonna get fucked either way by the eternal penance crusade that literally kills off your legion

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Executioners best!

cursive hull
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Lots of the "Forgiven" chapters were punished

storm jungle
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^

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Executioners and some others got the best deal

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the Salamanders helped a lot of them out

crisp heath
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Traitors? AXE! Loyalist? AXE!

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Civilians? Left alone

storm jungle
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Impossible

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how could a chapter named the Executioners EXECUTE people

crisp heath
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If only they trusted the red corsairs

storm jungle
cursive hull
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Course, it would have definitely been smarter for the Imperium to have taken it a lot easier on the tricked chapters.

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Because, you know

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Every thousand marines is a precious resource they can't afford to waste but

storm jungle
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Also yeah this lol

cursive hull
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Imperium dumb

crisp heath
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100 years penitent crusade

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Seemed reasonable

storm jungle
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if the Imperium was sensible they'd just detract more funds from them by the amount of damage they did etc

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but no

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CROOSADE

crisp heath
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This treatment was soft as hell

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Compared to what happened to the sons of malice who did nothing wrong

storm jungle
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They got the worst fate

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battling with the Retcon Gods

crisp heath
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Executioners could have done way more damage if they had the mind to so thats probably why they were lenient on them

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lol

storm jungle
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they had the best "WAIT A MINUTE" out of all the tricked chapters imo

crisp heath
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Almost the entire chapter was there and they only attacked military targets

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If they didn’t bail instantly they’d walk the plank for ratting captain Huron and the crew out

cursive hull
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Holy shit

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Fail embed from discords own gif search

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When Huron's orders no longer make sense

crisp heath
# storm jungle They got the worst fate

Sons of malice had waves of adeptus sororitas rain hell on them because the imperium thought it was a good idea to call them traitors for praising the emperor in a different way

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They weren't really tricked. The Executioners were there bc of a blood debt they owed the Astral Claws and actively under fought till their honor could bear it no more.

storm jungle
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THATS STILL BEING TRICKED

crisp heath
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Its not tricked tho? Tricked implies there was deceit, the Astral claws didnt fool the Executioners, unless you mean to say them owing someone is a trick.

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Wow I cannot type well tonight

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The pirate code forbids them from deceiving another crew be it traitor or loyalist

rose thorn
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Wat

crisp heath
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Hi

vapid tiger
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Hmmm

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Old chaos marine minis

errant mauve
# storm jungle THATS STILL BEING TRICKED

They really weren't tricked. Even before they full out went renegade mid way through the war they had already effectively given Huron a set of terms and conditions that they were going to fight under (Will not obey orders from Astral Claws, will only attack Chapter fleets, etc) and told him to stick a rod up his ass if he disagreed.

crisp heath
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I don't really know the story of the other two Maelstrom Warders that aren't the Astral Claws

rose thorn
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Anyone know a good way to make Mark 5 armor?

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Or at least an STL

errant mauve
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I think LoggyK has done some 32mm Mark 5's

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Tortuga also has good Mark 5 boduies

vapid tiger
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Mantis Warriors went on a penance crusade after the war

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Lamenters...

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Are the lamenters

cursive hull
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Translation: The Lamenters went on Penitent Crusade and it didn't go well

rose thorn
signal hill
# vapid tiger

I am most impressed with the horse, that must be one tough breed

upbeat arch
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Bout to finish HH6 descent of angels and….

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What was the point of this book…..

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Why is it in the HH series at all?

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It wasnt terrible, wasnt even bad, just…. Why though?

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This couldve been summed up in like 4 paragraphs in a different book

cerulean wagon
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because welcome to the HH series

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its all pointless after book 3

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have fun

upbeat arch
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Riiiiiight

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Fulgrim was pointless…?

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What are you on about? 😂

rose thorn
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loads gun

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Big dick energy and killing the worst primarch thats why fulgrim exists

upbeat arch
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Fulgrim fuckin rocked

rose thorn
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Predemon hood he was meh

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but after he fucking rocke

upbeat arch
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I dont even like fulgrim or the emp’s children

rose thorn
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d