40k-lore-chat

[rose thorn]

yeah the flame hawks have lore

but hte flame falcons have a cool gimmick

[plush mason]

dude the fact the warp fucks with time makes the way the imperium gathers it forces for a war so stupid to me

like imagine the fleet gets there. 3 months before the invasion even started

[errant mauve]

It's either that or not getting there

The Warp is the 'umies' best form of FTL

[vapid tiger]

obscure, interesting lore snippet about the hrud or something from a sourcebook: no attention

WOULD ROGAL DORN PREFER SNICKERS OR MILKY WAY??: 2k upvotes, some $100 r*ddit award

[plush mason]

or they get there 300 years later

[storm jungle]

YEP

like fuck off

I dont give a shit about primarchs

[vapid tiger]

Literally just big space marines

Space marine phoenix lords

Except less interesting in concept

[storm jungle]

I like Primarchs a lot but like

[vapid tiger]

but given a million fucking contradictory stories

[storm jungle]

the fandom legit makes me hate that they exist sometimes

[rose thorn]

i liek them in theory

[vapid tiger]

therefore DAE PRIMARCHS???

[rose thorn]

i hate them on table top

[errant mauve]

Named characters are interesting but only if you shut the fuck up about them for more than 2 seconds.

[rose thorn]

exactly

[vapid tiger]

Nah bro, 40k should be the mcu but with primarchs!!!

[plush mason]

named characters are also OP as hell

[vapid tiger]

Not the interesting, bizarre mishmash of science fiction and fantasy settings cooked up by rick priestley and friends in the late 80's

[errant mauve]

Actually

I'm gonna go sicko mode

[atomic pelican]

lov primarchs on tabletop but only when they can get btfo'd turn 2 by jackal bombs

[errant mauve]

Imperium named characters are just the boring ones

[atomic pelican]

tru

[storm jungle]

Screenshotting this quote

[plush mason]

lol

[errant mauve]

[storm jungle]

Its the same shit whenever I see questions about the Emperor

Hes just a dumbass and a lazily written character

nOOOO WRITERS TOTALLY THOUGHT OUT WHY HE LEFT ANGRON'S FRIENDS TO DIE

no they didnt

its just bad writing

[plush mason]

did his origin story ever get finished/settled on?

[storm jungle]

Not at the moment, we only got the Hittite village upbringing

[rose thorn]

i like 'named characters' like characters that dont really exist, but having them on table top excel the campaign story

[storm jungle]

but consider this

they make money

[rose thorn]

lesser successor chapter primarch

i mean

chapter master

not priamrch

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[rose thorn]

the only lesser primarch is ferrus

[storm jungle]

Ferrus just doesnt exist

[vapid tiger]

BASED

[rose thorn]

the only cool thing about him is that he was a good character for 5 mintues when hanging with fulgrim

[errant mauve]

Characters need actual loss or development to be interesting

[plush mason]

what about the 2 lost ones?

[errant mauve]

Imperium characters tick none of those

[rose thorn]

and that he could have been the primarch of the legion of the damned which wasnt true

[vapid tiger]

GW be like

[plush mason]

money

[vapid tiger]

"Really big space marines"

[storm jungle]

Bro this

[vapid tiger]

Fanbase: TAKE MY MONEY

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

Fulgrim and Ferrus' friendship is so fun

otherwise like

[rose thorn]

i know right

[storm jungle]

ferrus can you just die

[rose thorn]

its so good

[plush mason]

he did 😛

[rose thorn]

they were like 'you won; when they had the blacksmith duel

and were buddy buddy

they both strive for perfection in their own special ways

[final spruce]

By that definition that would make Cato interesting

But yeah it does indeed play

[vapid tiger]

Love how some lore communities

Such as r/40klore because reddit

Instead of their biggest lore issue that gets voiced being like "damn shit's inconsistent" or "damn 40k suffers from the worst scifi tropes in some writing despite the fact it's a science fantasy setting"

Or "damn gw sure should stop focusing on space marines so much maybe we should acknowledge that it's a bad thing rather than use 'posterboys' as an excuse"

It's fucking

[final spruce]

Characters not being one single gimmick also works

[atomic pelican]

lmao so

[vapid tiger]

"WHY AREN'T PRIMARCHS COMING BACK QUICKLY ENOUGH"

[atomic pelican]

I'm reading ST's background rn @storm jungle

[crisp heath]

Love me baby ❤️

[atomic pelican]

Terra barely has a garrison on it

because of tradition

[vapid tiger]

"IT'S BEEN FUCKING 4 YEARS SINCE MORTARION GOT A 40K MODEL PLEASE GIVE ME FUCKING ROGAL DORN OR SOME SHIT"

[plush mason]

what have i done

[atomic pelican]

Fists + Guard maintain very small presences on the planet itself

[vapid tiger]

Fuck those people.

[crisp heath]

Thanks for inviting me ;p @plush mason

[storm jungle]

👀

[vapid tiger]

I hope rogal dorn is a fucking skeleton somewhere

I hope he's fucking dead and that gw puts it in a codex or supplement

Just out of spite

[crisp heath]

^

[vapid tiger]

I mean he was a whole skeleton on the phalanx for like 3 editions up until 7th

Then it was just his hand because gw wants to make bank from making 40k into hh 2: electric boogaloo

primarch soap opera setting

god

[errant mauve]

That used to be the pre-6th lore

Skeleton encased in amber on the Phalanx

[atomic pelican]

"Humanity's throne world does not house the same kind of defensive garrisons boasted by many more far-flung planets. The Sol System, is, of course, massively garrisoned and fortified against threats from without. Yet to even voice aloud the suggestion that corruption could lurk within the shadow of the Emperor's throne is considered heresy by many. Coupled with hide-bound tradition, and a fear of betrayal whose source is lost beneath the dust of millenia, this notion has long made complex the raising or stationing of Astra Militarum soldiery upon Terran soil. Even the Imperial Fist Space marines chapter, who have single honor of recruiting from the throneworld, restrict their presence largely to the phalanx"

@storm jungle

[vapid tiger]

Exactly

I said that later

The only primarchs that should be returning are daemon primarchs

[errant mauve]

Also

the r/40klore zinger

"Actually Daemon Primarchs losing to solo Space Marines make sense because [mental gymnastics]"

[vapid tiger]

Oh god

That too

"Dante would totally beat mortarion in a fight because uh...uhhhhh...uhhhh he has an inferno pistol!"

"And he's older than any primarch was during the gc!"

"So he'd just somersault over the daemon primarch and 1 hit him!"

"Go imperium, HFY!"

[plush mason]

lol

[rose thorn]

also question, what the fuck do chapters do when their chapter master dies

[vapid tiger]

Reddit b like

[errant mauve]

Warhammer Fans: "ugh! why is chaos so unintimidating!!! Lol harmless!!!"
Also Warhammer fans: "It made perfect sense that Logan Grimnar beat Mortarion in a fight."

[rose thorn]

is it possibel they could just be shit out of luck

[vapid tiger]

"My essay on why space marines should beat everything, and how them beating everything in gw's official fluff is actually good"

[vapid tiger]

Yes exactly

They're like "chaos and xenos should be bigger threats! They feel like cartoon villains!"

Same people witnessing space marines beating and/or surviving everything in a weird attempt to sell more models using bad writing: silence, followed by intense conversation about how awesome it was when dante killed the swarmlord

[rotund siren]

Yup

[rose thorn]

WHAT HTE FUCK IS THAT STUPID FUCKING SHIT

THAT IS

RETARDED

[vapid tiger]

My favorite whf youtuber flat out acknowledged the issue

"40k's lore is boring, it's just humans despite there being a bunch of races that just...don't get talked about outside of the context of space marines fighting them. It's worse than warhammer fantasy where the humans were still the main focus"

[errant mauve]

not to mention getting overly buttblasted when chaos or xenos win

[atomic pelican]

damocles gulf moment

[vapid tiger]

I've had someone argue with me that the fall of cadia and great rift are "well enough" when it comes to chaos victories and that "the imperium deserves MORE victories because they've always been losing in the lore"

Then said "chaos is op in the lore"

Like ????

I fucking wish?

[errant mauve]

its the classic imperium stan argument

Chaos "wins"

[vapid tiger]

Like

Missing the point

[errant mauve]

its just that the imperium suffers absolutely no consequiences from the Win

[vapid tiger]

Like nowhere near the point

Like the entire schtick behind the Imperium is that it's horrible and failing and collapsing

It is WRITTEN TO LOSE

Or at least not win

[errant mauve]

The current way Chaos victories are written

the Imperium wins more through a chaos victory than chaos does

[rose thorn]

I Know orks to have that problem tbh

[atomic pelican]

Cawl is going to pinch the maledictum closed with these handy gloves that let you close chaos rifts that he just found the STC for under his nose!

It's good Writing™️

[rose thorn]

but now its kidan an even battlefield

[errant mauve]

Well

take the 13th black crusade for examplee

Chaos "won"

but were utterly humiliated by Imperial forces

the Cicatrix Maledictum does not actually impact tyhe imperium at all in terms of the narratvie

and its already being closed up

[rose thorn]

yeah chaos is always being humiliated for no reason tbh

[atomic pelican]

@errant mauve who do you think is going to be champion jobber for Eldritch Omens

[vapid tiger]

The fact this is actually a possibility raised by black library novels infuriates me

The fact fans just eat it up annoys me

[errant mauve]

Chaos

duh

The Eldar have actualn stakes

[atomic pelican]

Tru

[errant mauve]

meaning chaos wuill lose

[atomic pelican]

The Eldar have a named autarch

from saim-hann

The chaos is just like

some random warband right?

[vapid tiger]

Like

I look at half of the 40k fandom and wonder "do you people actually care about the setting at large or do you just want to see the imperium win in a wargame setting"

like it's not fucking halo

[atomic pelican]

But let’s talk about these incredible miniatures. The Asuryani get nine all-new miniatures comprising Autarch Ghaelyn’s Saim-Hann force, including the Autarch herself.

Eldar have a named character involved

[rose thorn]

the new eldar minis?

theya re fucking amazing

[atomic pelican]

Seems that this may be a elf win

[vapid tiger]

it's not a space opera where "okay these guys are good and the aliens are bad and we gotta kill the aliens" it's "yeah all these bastards are horrible and it's fun to watch them kill each other"

But the new eldar set is really good yeah

Hopefully it indicates a bigger eldar release coming soon

[atomic pelican]

Mayo and I were talkkng about who's gonna end up being the bigger punching bag based on Eldritch Omens

[rose thorn]

i really like the new chaos crap too (duh) and the new chosen are cool

[atomic pelican]

It's eldar or chaos but now they're vs eachother so

[vapid tiger]

Should be chaos

[atomic pelican]

Yeah that's what I figure

[rose thorn]

i think its a really clsoe fight lore wise

[atomic pelican]

Based on the fact that the chaos hasn't got a named character yet

+It's named Saim Hann

[rose thorn]

if it was emperors children were there tho eldar are absolutely fucked

[atomic pelican]

Children die just as any other CSM do

But yeah it's.. I actually dont know what warband this it

is*

[rose thorn]

The one in the box set? it looks like the black legion

[atomic pelican]

Yee

Funnily enough, on tabletop, Eldar actually kill EC better than they would any other CSM from Ancient Doom

Leadership penalty but that doesn't matter much

[errant mauve]

Chaos side will always be black legion

jobber legion

[atomic pelican]

my god I hope they get rid of Craftworld's specific rules and jus tplant them into a stratagem

Ancient Doom and Biel Tans fucking

anti-ork sword

are literally just filler

[rose thorn]

emperors children also have anti eldar stratagems if im correct

let me check

[atomic pelican]

genuinely they should just be 'extra' fun stratagems and not considered into the actual base faction

GSC have similar against Imperial factions

[rose thorn]

i think faction specific stratgems are just stupid

i get why its in ht egame

but its stupid

[atomic pelican]

That's like 80% of 9th atm

Oh you mean vs a specific faction

nvm

[rose thorn]

crimson fists should have an identity besides

'fuck orks'

[atomic pelican]

like most cwe relics fucking suck but this is especially doodoo

[final spruce]

God damn

That's more garbo than the average SM powersword

[atomic pelican]

What's even funnier is

+1 to strength doing literally nothing against orkz

Because model eldar models are at s3

So they still wound on a 5+

[vapid tiger]

Wow! You did it! Being equal to space marines using an artifact!

[atomic pelican]

This relic pre-dates the tendency to just put +1 to wound on things I imagine

[rose thorn]

yeah they dont

emperors childrne dont have anti eldar

im thinking of something else

[vapid tiger]

An imperium stan would look at that and go "epic, look at what they need to mimic a fraction of our power, spess mehreens r so cool!!!"

especially one who doesn't touch the tt

[atomic pelican]

those oddities almost never actually play the game

they've never experienced their superhuman gods getting ran over by a truck

[vapid tiger]

yes but they stink up the online space

[errant mauve]

inb4 they make autarchs str 5 and eldar str 4

[rose thorn]

also, would genestealer cultists make good corpses?

[atomic pelican]

LMAO

[atomic pelican]

Built different

[vapid tiger]

BASED

[errant mauve]

Also I like that eldar have just been permanently impossible to balance fluff and crunch after the removal of initiative

[rose thorn]

i know trynids are good corpses and space marines

[errant mauve]

8th edition moment

[cerulean wagon]

imagine not stacking so many conscripts the SM die under the weight of the bayonets

[vapid tiger]

I mean

If gw had brains they'd just give eldar an Always Strikes First rule

[errant mauve]

then you get

arguing between strike first tules

[atomic pelican]

Incubi get this

[vapid tiger]

Oh

True

[atomic pelican]

Banshees are getting it too

[vapid tiger]

Yeah good

[atomic pelican]

Also maybe it's just me but

[atomic pelican]

I almost never see normal first strikes actually come into play

since charges

[final spruce]

Nah GW actually made a nice readable FAQ for that a few months ago

[atomic pelican]

I've seen incubi do it because their fight-first is better tormentors

[errant mauve]

if initiative still existed that would not have been needed

[final spruce]

I mean even when it existed

Just because of the existence of defensive grenades initiative was useless

[errant mauve]

How many people get get grenades that reduce initiative though?

Plus there was a points penalty to it

[final spruce]

Yeah the penalty was "reduced to 1 initative"

All SM tactical squads irc

I used to play eldar against SM back in 4th and 5th

They had both blinding and frag

So if they charged they reduced your initiative and if you charged them, they also reduced it

[errant mauve]

Bruh you got scammed

thats not what frag did in 5th

Frag in 5th were assault grenades

[final spruce]

And in 4th ?

[errant mauve]

Didn't play in 4th

I do have the rulebook though

Ok

read the 4th codex

So for 4th, its similar to 5th

[final spruce]

Don't have anymore sadly

[errant mauve]

So

[final spruce]

I do remember some rules like 4th edition IG vets counting as having defensive grenades thanks to trap

D-cannons etc

[errant mauve]

4th: models with frag strike at initiative 10 (same time as defenders) when charging a unit in cover
5th: models with frag strike at unmodified initiative when charging a unit in cover

Man that SM player scammed you 🫂

[final spruce]

Heh we were teens back then I'm not surprised

[errant mauve]

I feel for your eldar

[rose thorn]

fuck it instead of trying to figure out what hte fuck is the difference betweena ll the 'fire' chapters im gonna make my own

which blackjack

and city burnings

[vapid tiger]

Reddit momento

[errant mauve]

[storm jungle]

LMAO

owned™️

[plush mason]

lol

[vapid tiger]

very reasonable response to a thread about wanting less primarchs in lore discussion

reddit

[errant mauve]

[vapid tiger]

who would've thought that someone with "adeptus astartes" under his name would take offense to that kind of thing

[atomic pelican]

astartes tag

[errant mauve]

Gotta link to that post?

[vapid tiger]

Sure let me find it again

OH

You want the comment

[vapid tiger]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/rok70b/primarchs_are_overrated/hpz9vhc?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

[errant mauve]

bless

[vapid tiger]

You could literally retcon primarchs out of existence and the setting would still be 40k.

Nothing of value would be lost

[rose thorn]

How many civilian deaths would a space marine chapter cause before they start getting in trouble?

[storm jungle]

Depends on how much the writers care

Some get away scot free while others get really judged for it

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[storm jungle]

I really want to give a proper answer but its literally that

Flesh Tearers kill a few civillians, everyone goes nuts

Marines Malevolent bomb entire population centers, nobody cares

minus the Sallies but they were literally right there

[odd sparrow]

yee p much. If you're writing smthn I'd say like, basically whenever civilian deaths starts being disruptive for imperial infastructure/interests

[potent swift]

I guess "pragmatism" has something to do with it. The MMs were at least killing Orks while they killed civilians which is still a plus in Imperium Math

[odd sparrow]

so marines can murk however many random civvies they want, but if they start messing up imperial manufacturing by murking all the workers it becomes a concern

that vibe prolly makes the most sense

[potent swift]

At the end of the day, anything that could disrupt taxes is a big no-no

[storm jungle]

Here krug, i made this for you

[odd sparrow]

nothing would be different

just like 50 novels of terrible family drama would be deleted from existence

[upbeat arch]

Primarchs rock

[storm jungle]

they really dont but ok

[peak hamlet]

I like muh primarchs

Konrad at least

[upbeat arch]

My ni-

[dim totem]

fight fight fight

[upbeat arch]

Wed win

We got primarchs

😂

[dim totem]

who’s we i have nothing to gain from this

[storm jungle]

If some random dude can stab vulkan with a knife and kill him i dont think so

🤣

[peak hamlet]

They sure are overrated but dont take my buddy konrad away

[dim totem]

is that what happens to vulkan?

[storm jungle]

Well he dies like 10 fucking times

but thats one of his deaths

[peak hamlet]

Isnt vulkan like immortal?

[dim totem]

who did it

[storm jungle]

Ye

[upbeat arch]

Grammaticus

[storm jungle]

John Grammaticus

another pointless fucking character

[dim totem]

he sounds like he was in the man for all seasons

[peak hamlet]

Bruh whats that name lmao

[dim totem]

or whats that movie called

[upbeat arch]

He got like a megaknife. Something about solidified emperor’s electricity

[dim totem]

cool name tho

what

[upbeat arch]

Legion best book sorry

[cerulean wagon]

is he an english proffessor

[upbeat arch]

Best HH book barely has any spacemarines lel

[dim totem]

its spelled professor

[peak hamlet]

Ikr?

[dim totem]

call me john spellingus

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/SoNLu2oU7-c?t=38

[cerulean wagon]

HH books suck

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/379106194398380043/904857433170673704/Horus-Heresy-Boogalo.mp4

[dim totem]

i recently rewatched that childhood anomaly

[cerulean wagon]

johnny english is great

[dim totem]

it was surprisingly good yeah but

john malkovich was horrible in it

[storm jungle]

LMAO

god that movie was fun

also the only comedy spy movie to have its sequel be better than most fucking Bond films

[dim totem]

i liked the ending, reminded me a lot of the blackadder imetravel movie

[storm jungle]

Yeee its a good movie but the sequel is a lot better imo

[cerulean wagon]

thats cause atkins is from blackadder

[dim totem]

johnny english had a sequel?

[storm jungle]

Yep!

[dim totem]

well yeah but its the same ending

[cerulean wagon]

hes a comedy writer, an actual national treasure

[dim totem]

atkinson becoming king of the uk for a short while

[dim totem]

ill check it out, sounds good

whatever happened to that sacha baron cohen spy flick?

was it even good? im assuming it wasnt

[cerulean wagon]

it wasnt if its the one im thinkin of

[odd sparrow]

atkinson has hole rights but only insofar as he's in the season 2 blackadder getup

including the beard

[cerulean wagon]

wtf ratty

[odd sparrow]

did i stutter

[cerulean wagon]

just been flashbanged with words, i didnt need this as im gettin outta bed

[peak hamlet]

I..

[cerulean wagon]

[dim totem]

does hole rigths mean what i think it means

[storm jungle]

yall got owned

🕳️

[atomic pelican]

No more hole usage

[dim totem]

peak man according to ratty

[atomic pelican]

i will banish ye

[dim totem]

offer up yer holes

[peak hamlet]

😳

[odd sparrow]

i use hole rights as a way of saying this thing is good

cus it perturbs people

[odd sparrow]

according to the objective truth

the other blackadder incarnations dont have the beard, it's not the same

[odd sparrow]

,, we dont talk about Blackadder I

it was early days ok

[dim totem]

i liked blackadder 1

[peak hamlet]

Loved his codpiece there 🙏

[dim totem]

it was low budget funny

the best funny

[odd sparrow]

idk it's just not the same character. I like the other three cus of how well atkinsons witty long suffering vibes play off everyone else being goofy idiots

with him being a goofy idiot too it doesn't work the same

[dim totem]

yeah the first one is just not cunning

[cerulean wagon]

black adder and monty python are like

[dim totem]

i would have liked s1 more if it had more uh

[cerulean wagon]

peak comedy

[dim totem]

i dunno

it lacked like a captain flashheart

[odd sparrow]

blackadder is the watch rowan atkinson suffer show and this is as it should be

[cerulean wagon]

the ww1 season was depressing af

glad they managed to do a good comedy and still pay respects

[odd sparrow]

yee that hit a v good balance. Mainly cus of the ending

it doesn't feel like. penitent. cus of the subject matter, but it also doesn't turn ww1 into a meme

[cerulean wagon]

yeah

its like, heres black adder

and then the ending is just like, "we are aware enough"

[odd sparrow]

nods

[rose thorn]

Hey what are some god reasons for a space marine chapters to hate primaris marines

My Chapter is gonan follow the imperial cult and are only gonna be first borns

[barren tapir]

Boooooo!! Shame on them for betraying the ideology of big E

[barren tapir]

Not really many other that stubborn attachment to tradition

[rose thorn]

I’m thinking that they believe primaris stray from the god emperors visions

And that they don’t share the defects the rest of the chapter does

[final spruce]

You can say that they hated the Vanguard as as such demanded to be separated from the Primaris, or they might just consider Cawl an heretek and his creations heresy because he modified the Emperor's creation

[barren tapir]

Well, then what will they say to the emperor emissarius that bring the primaris to them?

[cerulean wagon]

-Fear of being replaced
-Distrust of the unknown
-Primaris being a corruption of the emporers work
-The guy doing all the work is an actual tech heretix thats getting away with it

[rose thorn]

Probably extreme violence

[barren tapir]

Noice, the custodes will like this very much

[cerulean wagon]

infact the custodes do, since the custodes killee a bunch of primaris

the custodes are there because they dont trust the primaris to not rebel, and have wiped out entire groups under suspicion

[barren tapir]

Custodes dislike astartes, so anything that they can use to kill some is good for them

[rose thorn]

My chapter is gonna specialize in mainly purging cities, like if a genestealer cult uprising is happening they would prefer that battlefield

[barren tapir]

A chapter doesn't comply even when an emissary of the emperor tell them to do so? Heretic!!

[cerulean wagon]

custards dont like anything and are useless. love the fact the new lore shows them fucking up an entire anti GSC operation nd dying

[rose thorn]

They also fucking love fure

Fire

[barren tapir]

Custards like big E... Which i don't know if it is a good thing or a bad thing

[rose thorn]

And believe the fire they produce is truly fueled by the god emperors fury

[cerulean wagon]

custards honestly just have dreadful lore, almost as bad as cawls

[barren tapir]

Also custards don't love when one of theirs die because astartes

[rose thorn]

I liked cawl, until I just started seeing him in every fuckinh g Wikipedia page

[cerulean wagon]

cawl is just, deus ex mechanicus

all new issues in the setting are solved by cawl pulling shit from his ass

[barren tapir]

I like cawl, but GW used him in an awful way...
Ah, yes, volkite weapons are extremely rare and few know how to make them... Lest equip all primaris with neo volkite pistols luls

[final spruce]

Deus Cawl Mechanicus

[final spruce]

Same logic with anti-grav

Let's not forget him terraforming tyranid-eaten planets

[rose thorn]

At least. Fabius is just a better cawl now

[rose thorn]

what

Wait that makes sense a little bit

I think

But that seems like it takes more resources than it’s worth

[barren tapir]

At least that they had the land speeder that could retro engineer or some anti grav bike still used by dark angels, for volkite only the highest techpriest of mechanicum could produce them, and we all know that the mechanicum don't like to share things

[final spruce]

Not really since Tyranids are supposed to turn the entire planet into a barren rock

[cerulean wagon]

it made some sense frank, but then they made it nids dont actually eat worlds

they just wkim the surface so worldscan recover

[barren tapir]

TBF i don't see any problem with this, just bad old nids lore...

[final spruce]

With that logic they could also retro engineer the Dark Angel plasma technology since those guys know volkite

[rose thorn]

I mean they terraformed Mars, but that was dark age tech

[final spruce]

Yeah now nids are just surface feeders

[final spruce]

Yes but Mars still had life on it

Aka even today we find life on Mars

[barren tapir]

Indeed they could... If the DA would share it, which they don't

[final spruce]

Such as in the water etc

[cerulean wagon]

also his answer to kick starting life is just

"make gas"

[rose thorn]

Wel it’s not like the terraforming takes like only a few days right!

It would need to take years

Decades

Right?

[final spruce]

He said something like 300 years but its 40k so time doesn't mean anything

[cerulean wagon]

thats the only bit they got right, he says it'll take a long time

[final spruce]

But yeah its another way to make the imperium pyrhic victories mean nothing

Since now they can heal Baal and the surrounding planets

[rose thorn]

Can’t wait to find out the terraformed just slaps nurgle plants onto the planet or soemrhing

[cerulean wagon]

but ye seeing as most people in lore live for centuries

that means they'll see the terraforming within their lifetime

[rose thorn]

Damn it

[cerulean wagon]

the major threat of the nids leaving barren, unliveable rock? gone

[rose thorn]

Whats a good name for my space marine chapter, i only have 2 ideas written down

city burners and the cleansing flames

[vapid tiger]

I love it

[storm jungle]

❤️

[vapid tiger]

I don't like that shit one bit

Why are the writers missing the point

[final spruce]

Simple

It's Gav Thorpe

[vapid tiger]

OH

Okay that explains it

[cerulean wagon]

i think id hate it less if it was like

further down the line after research

have some stories based in consumed systems

but no, just fixed

[vapid tiger]

erases the threat of tyranids and also further undoes the thematic cornerstone of the imperium that is stagnation

in one of the worst ways possible

[final spruce]

Not so much stagnation anymore since now Dark Age level of tech such as Antigrav, Hellblasters and Volkite are common

[vapid tiger]

i refuse to acknowledge that beyond space marines having that shit now

[final spruce]

Oh no I meant that All Primaris have that shit

And seeing how Primaris are literally chained produced by Cawl

[vapid tiger]

Like imo that shit's fine, they had antigrav and shitloads of plasma and whatnot back in 1st ed so whatever

Attributing it to one guy for the sake of selling space marines? Well that's annoying but fine

When they've remembered how to terraform planets? That's when it gets ridiculous

[final spruce]

Nah the only antigrav was the land speeder and only 1 kind of unstable plasma

[cerulean wagon]

whos ready for the IG update with the new tank that was leaked

IG hover tech lets goooooo

[final spruce]

Skelly

We both know guards's new tank will probably be shite and boxy on threads

[vapid tiger]

No you could literally make up grav tanks there's a rules section for creating vehicles and there was like a 25% chance a squad of marines would have one if you used the random chart for unit creation

[cerulean wagon]

itll be a tank we already have but plastic

bet

[final spruce]

So homebrew

[vapid tiger]

Not really homebrew when the book itself was like "yes marines have lots of grav tanks and whatnot"

"We're just not gonna list the patterns because WE DO NOT PRODUCE VEHICLES YET"

[final spruce]

Yeah a 20+ y old book that was replaced with Antigrav is super rare

[cerulean wagon]

this was 1st tho? which was rogue trader edition right?

[final spruce]

And then replaced with Cawl rediscovered antigrav stc

[vapid tiger]

"Instead, here's a guide on how to make a land raider in your own home using other kits and household items"

[vapid tiger]

Yes

[cerulean wagon]

ye 1st is entirely none cannon for lore

wince everyone including eldar used bolters

[final spruce]

Banshees using laspistols

[vapid tiger]

It's annoying that there's so much antigrav shit now don't get me wrong, I prefer tracked vehicles since there's something very thematic about seeing a power armored soldier ride around in a ww1 tank, but grav vehicles by themselves do not undo the technological stagnation as a theme

The implementation of them with cawl kind of does, he didn't even rediscover them he just flat out reinvented them

But shit like terraforming planets? Too far

[final spruce]

Nah Terraforming is fine

Terraforming a planet consumed by nids ? No

[vapid tiger]

Unless you used an excuse like "okay so this ONE PLANET can be terraformed using this daot artifact that immediately breaks after we use it because we don't know how to fix it or how it even works outside of how to activate it"

[vapid tiger]

Yeah fair

Though mass terraforming on the part of the imperium would be weird regardless

Like it seems more likely and fitting for the orks to figure out how to do that than the Imperium

[final spruce]

Mass terraforming seems too much yeah, but I see nothing wrong with sometimes the Mechanicus terrraforming important planets for example

[vapid tiger]

Maybe

As long as it's still portrayed as the 40k equivalent of chimpanzees trying to work out how to use a nuclear reactor

look at these barbarians.

these are the greatest minds the imperium has to offer

[atomic pelican]

Supposedly its gonna be a "midway point between a russ and a malcador" ? I think

I cant quite remember

[cerulean wagon]

between russ n baneblade iirc

so malc territory but not forged world

[final spruce]

Funnily enough

Currently on the tabletop leman russ have better armour than baneblades ever since they weznt 2+

[cerulean wagon]

ye arent baneblades just kinda bad atm

[final spruce]

Always have been since 8th

[cerulean wagon]

fuck 8th

[final spruce]

With the new terrain they don't even fit anymore

[cerulean wagon]

[plush mason]

baneblades in the lore: one of the mightiest weapons of the guard
baneblades on tt: useless trash

[cerulean wagon]

iirc theres only 2 variants worth using, and both are not worth the point cost unlees you qre fielding it to counter something

[final spruce]

Well "worth"

Its a big word

[rose thorn]

i dont know how to feel about this first colorscheme

[vapid tiger]

hm

Looks

Fine

I think it's fine

I like the asymmetrical colors

The pink

As opposed to red

Can you paint it tho

[rose thorn]

ahhh

um

idk lmao

i have the pink

i dont own the orange

or red

or green

[cerulean wagon]

imo its too much with regards to picking out specific sections for alternate colours, I'd say change the colour of the skull (either a darker red or grey/silver or bone) and maybe unify the colours on top of the helmet?

atm feels kinda like a harlequin scheme around the head area (grey face mask, mix of orange red and purple/pink with no specific purpose)

thats just me tho

[rose thorn]

ahh

i tried to drift away form the usual fire look

but i might have gone overboard

changed the skull

[cerulean wagon]

na thats fair, and its just my opinion on it. I tend to do pretty drab schemes so prob not the best person for bright colour theory

to me that looks better because the previous red was jarring against the collar imo

[rose thorn]

ahh yeah i see

i think im gona change the area between the legs and chest

the crouch and the stomach colors are meh

[cerulean wagon]

i think if you have the codpiece match that area in colour it might look fine?

that way it looks like a unified section that goes under the belt

[rose thorn]

maybe make the heltmet one color

but leave hte top purple

[marsh grail]

It’s not his fault he’s the star scream of 40k.

[rose thorn]

i also swapped around the back pack colors

[cerulean wagon]

maybe have the helmet colour split and have that top bit also split? (does it let you do that?)

[rose thorn]

yeah

[rose thorn]

accidentally closed the page lmao

[rose thorn]

🤨

[upbeat arch]

good band

[rose thorn]

What a good and trust worthy contact!

[dim totem]

This seems best to me

[rose thorn]

Nothing possibly could go wrong

[atomic pelican]

I only take contracts to free purestrains

Let the children free

[rose thorn]

Lmao gonna end up as an honorary genestealer cultists

Try to do as many genestealer cultists contracts as possible

[dim totem]

yeah i thought that was a bit strange

[upbeat arch]

i hate these pictures

[rose thorn]

:(

[upbeat arch]

THE TEETH ARE TOO TEETH

and how TF is erebus holding that bookstaff

[errant mauve]

The weak man fears teeth nemiel

[vast frigate]

Just on the sense of color theory

colors opposite in the spectrum or leaning against eachother often work the best

if youre looking for standout colors, mute one of them and make the other a tad brighter, this takes away the sharpness of a scheme

i hope it helps in deciding what you want

[rose thorn]

That’s actually super helpful! I’ll darken the red and brighten up the yellow

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/547124166118211584/924734760427860019/unknown.png

[vast frigate]

Np

maybe give the orange the same wash as the red when you go and test a model

itll tie it together more while keeping the yellow more standout

[rose thorn]

Okay!

[rose thorn]

Also do you have any tips on freehanding decals?

[tender igloo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_Ydt3fXVxo
i am very tempted to split this box just to have the chaos side

but i think i still may want to hold out for world eaters tbh

[rose thorn]

Yeah I love this box set but it’s not worth it for me for the chosen

[vast frigate]

only that you can use sharpies on model and give yourself guidelines with thin lines

[rose thorn]

Mainly because you just use 30k emperors children for chosen

[vast frigate]

also

look at where you want to go

dont guide the brush with your eyes, look at your target

its a small trick to learn straight lines easier

another fun fact is that you can remove paint with a moist thumb

[rose thorn]

Oh nice

[vast frigate]

if you fuck up the line, wet your thumb or give the model a quick lick

👁️

just a gentle wipe should do it

[rose thorn]

I’m just gonna paint fire onto the model so I don’t need straight lines just smooth ones

[vast frigate]

yeah

using the hairs of your brush as an indicator is helpful

aka if you pull the brush up to that pointy tip, use the flow of the brush to finish the point of that flame

dont try making it yourself that forcefully

[rose thorn]

Okay!

[gaunt vector]

im buying this. does anyone know its release date?

[tender igloo]

probably february at the earliest i would guess

[gaunt vector]

ok

[vapid tiger]

For someone who supposedly loves "everything" in 40k lorewise wolf lord rho's channel sure does seem space marine focused

Never watched him tho but given the videos listed I imagine he might be one of those guys who miss the point

Hope he's not

Yeah it's literally just space marine lore wtf

[cerulean wagon]

loretuber moment

[vapid tiger]

this is why i recommend new fans just read up and avoid loretubers

Yeah fuck this guy he peddles dumbass shit like the "emperor planned everything guys!" fan theories

i hope gw writers don't look at that shit for inspiration

[plush mason]

so i wonder how conrad would handle the fact his sons are now all criminals

[vapid tiger]

I mean we know how because he realized his sons were all criminals

[plush mason]

oh i didnt know that

[vapid tiger]

And let the assassin kill him

or maybe he didn't but he seemed depressed regardless during the scouring

I mean

That was why he hated his legion during the heresy

[plush mason]

majorkill said he more or less ripped his own head off when the assassin failed to kill him right

[vapid tiger]

Ehhhh?

What's his source?

[plush mason]

good question

[vapid tiger]

why are you watching majorkill?

[plush mason]

cuz funny

i know his lore is highly inaccurate

[vapid tiger]

very

[dusk blade]

All i want for new years is something from darktide to nibble on, i dont care if its big or small. Screenshots, lore.. something

[marsh grail]

What would happen if a gene stealer infected a space marine or if a gene stealer cultist managed to become a candidate to become a space marine? Is either even possible?

Perhaps a better scenario would be how quickly is the first person infected physically changed and could they infect someone who is training to become a space marine?

[atomic pelican]

Marine organs reject the infection and it kills them

[marsh grail]

Ok

[atomic pelican]

This has happened once infact

Kills the marine, that is

[marsh grail]

So with the story of space hulk death wing how serious is tyranids getting their hands on gene seed in general?

What could a Queen make with it?

[plush mason]

how exactly does one become infected by a genestealer? i hear its weird

[atomic pelican]

Tyrant guard are supposedly from marine genome

[atomic pelican]

A purestrain injects a dna parasite via throat

Into the victims abdomen

[marsh grail]

Well when a gene stealer loves someone very much he sticks them with a needle against their will.

[plush mason]

ewwwww

[atomic pelican]

If youve seen a purestrains tongue

It has a injector

On model

[plush mason]

i havent

[marsh grail]

Interesting

[marsh grail]

Please show us.

[marsh grail]

That’s a tongue???

[atomic pelican]

Yus

[cerulean wagon]

yes

[plush mason]

so its like what the predalien did to those prego women in AVP2 kinda

[marsh grail]

Pretty much then

[plush mason]

thats so horrible i feel bad for the GSC now

[marsh grail]

Also spoilers. I accidentally bought a European copy of AVP2 so I haven’t seen it yet

[plush mason]

oh opps

mb

[peak hamlet]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/6/64/Ovipositor.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/409?cb=20110719220506

Stealer tongue

[storm jungle]

They got a lot of tongue designs

make of that what you will

[peak hamlet]

Ah right

Was bout to say, looks more like flesh hooks than a tongue to me

[dim totem]

Ridley scott would like to have a word

[storm jungle]

lmao

yeah the original genestealers were literal xenomorph knockoffs

RIGHT down to the exploding egg

they got their base improvements a bit later on

[peak hamlet]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ca/d1/5b/cad15b3c86635e80d1814161455079a8.jpg

Ah yes xenomorph 😎

[plush mason]

wtf is that

[storm jungle]

A genestealer patriarch

taps text

📏

[peak hamlet]

Old genestealer cultists were somethin else lmao

[plush mason]

shit like this is why i ignore the cult lol

[storm jungle]

lmao why

[peak hamlet]

Noooo

[storm jungle]

its silly as hell, its great

[plush mason]

its just weird

[peak hamlet]

I love the old gsc

[storm jungle]

I mean thats 40k in a nutshell

THEY HAD LIMOUSINES

[peak hamlet]

And the idea of adding drip gold chains to your alien overlords out of worship is great

I like that the new gsc sometimes paint symbols onto their purestrains

[ionic blaze]

that spiders sac

Reminds me of that reddit post

[peak hamlet]

Aaaaaaa

My eyes

[storm jungle]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[plush mason]

yeah the cult just gets weird with its strangely sexual nature and thats why i avoid it. same with slannesh cults

[storm jungle]

I mean it doesnt

literally none of that is really explained in-detail

because it indeed would gross people out

[plush mason]

fair tho that doesnt stop some members of the fandom from doing so lol

like afaik the implantation is some weirdly romantic thing due to mind control or something

which imo lessens the horror aspect of the GSC

but thats just me

[barren tapir]

Ah ah cult goes frrrrrr for making new cultists

[barren tapir]

They go overdrive for reproduction yeah

[final spruce]

I mean you're talking like its not an unusual things for people coming from poor countries having lots of children

Broodmind influence also helps ofc

[plush mason]

no im talking about the purestrain's parasite

the stuff that comes later is ok

an event that should be something right out of Aliens 2 is insteed a peacefull and romantic afair

[final spruce]

I mean kidnapping is part of the game

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/368067121147543553/922681356910215189/1640052730710.png

Engage the bug babies™️

[plush mason]

lol

[peak hamlet]

Dude in the background is literal pog emote

[plush mason]

lol

imo the tyranids should be treated just like the xenomorphs in alien. beings of pure horror and nightmare with nothing redeeming about them. same with the cult

[vast frigate]

What are you talking about

Hes got a baby hammock

[peak hamlet]

Tbf nids are a lot more problematic than xenomorphs

[vast frigate]

He cant be that bad

Queue the dude eating someones face or something idk

[plush mason]

true

and the whole point of the cult afaik is to give the nids more diverse character options or something

and pure breed nids are already very xenomorph in most ways

[gaunt vector]

looks more like the screaming neckbeards pointing at some stuff behind them

[peak hamlet]

Lmao

[vapid tiger]

i nearly forgot why i stopped interacting with 40k fans as much as i used to

nice to have a reminder

[atomic pelican]

Less than 50%

[final spruce]

Im sorry what

[atomic pelican]

He doesnt see the 500+ shit dimenovels that BL puts out every year

[final spruce]

Less than 50% of the books

Time for murder

And thats without counting Csm

[atomic pelican]

Does someone have that pic of every book

And 90% if them are marines

Of

[final spruce]

Even though the Nurgle books are quite good and encourage people to read it

[vapid tiger]

okay does this sound reasonable

[peak hamlet]

I mean if ppl buy space marines gw is gonna do space marines

Ez

[vapid tiger]

yeah but does what I'm saying sound unreasonable

"It'd be nice if space marines got a bit less attention in favor of other factions"

does that sound unreasonable

Am I crazy?

[cunning wigeon]

nah i think that makes sense

[vapid tiger]

THIS WAS THE REACTION

What fucking bizzaro world have I entered?

[barren tapir]

The world of blind entitled people probably

[vapid tiger]

"You should take a break for NOT LIKING SPACE MARINES ENOUGH"

[cunning wigeon]

what server is it lmao?

[vapid tiger]

Fucking wrath and glory which is the most puzzling thing

It's a fucking rpg

[storm jungle]

While ill say that Krug you dislike 40k a bit much sometimes (ironic coming from a girl like me) but theres nothing wrong with finding half of the shit in the setting pretentious imo

its one of the reasons why I never will hang out in any other 40k discord considering half the stuff we'd talk in here would be pretty taboo

[rose thorn]

I find it super cool when humans worship Xenos and crap

Like that one planet that worshipped Eldar

rip

I know there are planets where necrons are worshiped

[plush mason]

so whats the deal with khorne and the number 8?

[rose thorn]

It’s cool

Tahts all I know

It’s kinda stupid

Also table top balancing

[plush mason]

so he is OCD kinda

[rose thorn]

Oh every chaos god has a blessed number

[plush mason]

oh

[rose thorn]

Slaanesh is 6

[plush mason]

let me guess Tzeenth is 13

[rose thorn]

So alor of stratagems and units are based around 6

No he’s 9

[plush mason]

hm

[rose thorn]

I know this because a lot of thousand son spells need 9

And emperors children get benefits when they roll a 6

Not like ork level shit but like

‘Pog more damage’

[storm jungle]

Basically just for the religious demonic number gimmick

no other reason

[rose thorn]

I believe a lot of Khrone units have a movement of 8?

[storm jungle]

also mostly what Frank said

[vapid tiger]

It's from a place of love, at least I'm not like those guys on youtube who complain about everything new in 40k

I just want it to get better

[storm jungle]

Yeee I know

dont worry man

🫂

[vapid tiger]

WHY IS NURGLE BEING WOUNDED BY THE EMPEROR HOW DID WE GET HERE

WHAT DOES THIS ADD

[storm jungle]

ITS THE PLOT OKAY BE QUIET

[final spruce]

He is ? From what I read some of his trees got burnt

[plush mason]

i like that tbh. big e should be more than a glorified battery

[vapid tiger]

WHAT IS THE PLOT AND HOW IS IT MEANT TO END???

does the emperor win and suddenly become a goodie?? but gw you put out a message saying he's a baddie I'm confused aaaaa

[rose thorn]

STRENGTH a lot of Khrone units have 8 strength

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

Once again

one of the reasons I hate Black Library lmao

too many cooks in the kitchen

One moment chaos gods are suppose to be unknowable eldritch horrors the other book they are just acting like dumb toddlers that throw a fit at anything

its the same as people saying they compass multiple galaxies when that just makes no sense and makes 40k a lot less meaningless

[plush mason]

lol

"to many cooks spoil the pot"

[storm jungle]

Yeah like i get it

thats the appeal of most 40k books

but some are just so bad

[final spruce]

some

You mean most

[storm jungle]

LOOK I was trying to be nice

[final spruce]

I see you trying Dilara and thats servisable

[plush mason]

like how many branches does GW have for its lore writing anyway?

[storm jungle]

I legit got no idea

most authors usually ask other High Level™️ ones for help?

like if you're a new guy you can ask people like Abnett or Thorpe when they get time

some book opening pages actually start with "thanks to these people for the lore edits" etc

[plush mason]

.........

[final spruce]

I know some authors like French do regurlarly call each other

But that doesnt stop them

[storm jungle]

Yeee

like im 100% sure theres a main lore department

[plush mason]

to much freedom is a bad thing

[storm jungle]

YEP.

WELL WORDED.

like writers are still required to run the book through official sources tho

akin to how ADB wanted to add some female custodes but a decision from all the way up top told him no

so it really depends

some lore errors really easily slip by the radar

ala 5-6 space marines killing half of a dark eldar kabal in their home realm lol

[final spruce]

Or the guy that thought custodes were just IG

[plush mason]

or cato's necron baseball bat

[storm jungle]

lol yeah

the mid 2000's phase of 40k was A LOT worse with it

its improved somewhat but like i said before still way too many cooks in the kitchen

that stance is never gonna change to so complaining about it doesnt matter much

[plush mason]

yup

but then one should not vent with the expectation of change 😛

[storm jungle]

[plush mason]

get up guardsmen or they will turn you into rations

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/ground-beef-grinder-gif-10187548

[plush mason]

yeah being in the GSC has the same ending as being in the guard lol

[peak hamlet]

Heh

[copper heart]

ok little goblins in my computer, lore question

do tyranids have skulls? i thought they were bugs and don't have any bones but the abbadon model says otherwise

i think if it was chitin it would preserve like the shape of the eyes but theres just holes there

[barren tapir]

Yes, they have skulls

Although those skulls looks like genestealers one, which can be nids, but also the parent race that get infected

Also nids aren't exactly bugs, people call them bugs, but they are just a mix of animal/bugs/monsters in general

[copper heart]

Thank you saar

[vapid tiger]

Yeah but they're bugs

[copper heart]

I thought they were bugs so I was confused, and I don't know if Abby ever went toe to toe with gsc

[barren tapir]

Take in consideration that mine was a super summary, they are more complex than a few phrases

[barren tapir]

Abby the harmless?

[vapid tiger]

I'm guessing he came in contact with a patriarch onboard a space hulk with a macguffin he wanted and then put its head on his trophy rack

[copper heart]

Abby the preserver

[barren tapir]

Preserver?

Well, chaos for sure met the nids... An entire crusade of khorne guys went in the war between orks and nids just to kill everything they saw

[dim totem]

do bugs leave tiny skeletons when they die?

like their exoskeletons

bug nerds help me out

[plush mason]

they do

its just chitin bio degrades faster than bone

[dim totem]

then how come ive never seen say an ant skeleton

so the exoskeleton is chitin which is just bines that are more biodegradable

[plush mason]

also ants eat their dead if they are carnivorse

[dim totem]

the chitin too?

[plush mason]

yup

[dim totem]

aha

thanks

[marsh grail]

Is that a spider filled ball sack?

[plush mason]

more or less

[dim totem]

god i love the lil genestealers paintjob

[storm jungle]

Its just an interior organ thats dangling since its been cut open along with the tongue lol

[marsh grail]

Pee is stored in the tongue.

[storm jungle]

no

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/horny-bonk-gif-22415732

[crisp heath]

No bonks allowed

Gonna take yall to prude jail

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-card-uno-uno-cards-gif-13032597

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/uno-reverse-uno-uno-skip-gif-18539488

[rose thorn]

what if my custom fire themed space marine chapter was a successor of the iron hands?

and they like to slap fire shit onto them selves

replace arms with flamers

replace completely fucked up and burnt limbs with cybernetics

maybe there would be an issue since my chapter is all firstborns

[gusty fulcrum]

This joke applies to many levels of 40k

both literal and figurative

[marsh grail]

Oh boy I sure do love corpse dogs.

[rose thorn]

Hey what is a good time for a firstborn space marine chapter to be made

Founding

That’s the word

[barren tapir]

Whenever the highlords want more biological superweapons around, or one of other chapters, mostly those that are old, petition for the creation of another chapter... Or even the inquisition want to meddle with some geneseed

[rose thorn]

That’s actually, a really good help

[errant mauve]

If you go to Lexicanjm you can check out the timeline of the space marine foundings and why they were founded

[plush mason]

wasnt one one the foundings just for containing the eye of terror?

[barren tapir]

Not containing it, but to patrol its border yes

[rose thorn]

Would it be overkill for my hyper religious fire obsessed first born space marine chapter had a geneseed mutation that let them heat up their body temperature would commonly have instances where their armor literally melts into their skin?

And they see it as a good thing

And that’s why they can’t even become primaris even if they want to (they don’t)

[rose thorn]

I love these old drawings it’s like warhammer themed Rorschach tests

[barren tapir]

I mean, they can have a malfunctioning organ that manage the body temperature, but if they get to the point they melt the internal layer of the armour they are pretty much burning, without much possibility to remain alive imo

Ferrus manus was capable to heat up his hands to use as tools when forging iirc

[rose thorn]

Oh I didn’t know that

Yeah I’m planning on making them iron hand successors

And they would cut off burnt up or meted limbs with cybernetics

[barren tapir]

Something akin to the bad guys in one of the iron man films if i understood right what you are aiming for the body temperature

[rose thorn]

I’m not sure, but like ferrus’ is exactly what I’m aiming for

[vapid tiger]

I like them

I also like a fan artist who does all of his work in that older style

It's gruesome tho

I think he coupled this piece with the explanation that it's depicting the purge of allied troops after fighting daemons to minimize the spread of corruption

"If man lives like vermin, then why not eradicate him when the prudent need arises?"

He usually writes these little short pieces alongside his illustrations to provide context and the good thing is that a LOT of them are slice of life

It's not the best writing but the art sells it

[rose thorn]

What’s imperial up with human skulls

Like

That’s a lot of human skulls

I get the metaphor

‘Oh death is so common skulls are just being used as decor’

But ‘yeah I hung up these skulls in the kids room it really lived up the place!’

[plush mason]

iirc the tech priest make the skull propes they use out of fallen acolites that died before their full indoctronation

oh you just mean the decorative ones

[odd sparrow]

cus memento mori is a cool aesthetic

[potent swift]

If I'm remembering right, the human skull represents the Emperor's sacrifice/internment within the Golden Throne. Combine that with an ultra-religous society and bam, skulls everywhere.

[cursive hull]

It could also, and this is me reaching here

be a "Symbol of humanity laid bare."

Literally a symbol of our shared humanity

(See: Humanity and the human form is beautiful.)

[crisp heath]

I remember reading something about a genocidal csm legion/warband causing big problems to the imperium through genociding planets and retreating is there any lore on that?

[storm jungle]

Thats pretty much every CSM warband

considering all their objectives is to just kill imperials

[peak hamlet]

The khorne crusade thingy?

Where they followed this red comet or something

Until the legion of the damned fucked them over?

[crisp heath]

If it helps they were dedicated to nurgle @storm jungle @peak hamlet

[barren tapir]

The purge?

[peak hamlet]

No idea then

[plush mason]

was it the start of the plauge of non belief or something?

[barren tapir]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Purge

Check this

[crisp heath]

Yes the purge

Thanks

[barren tapir]

[plush mason]

so i wonder if a second attack on culdara would trigger vulcan to return like it did in the war of the beast

[barren tapir]

Eh eh eh, plot hole!

[plush mason]

lol

isnt there some kind of prophocy that the salamanders have to fine a bunch of random artifacts he made for him to return?

[barren tapir]

Yes, they need to find the items that vulkan has somehow hidden around the galaxy, that will prove they are worthy of being lead by vulkan again

[odd sparrow]

BL writers love mcguffins placed around the galaxy

cus im convinced they're actually just discarded code of legend of zelda characters that gained sentience over time

[plush mason]

lol

idk if that an insult more to zelda or the writers

[eternal ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-downey-jr-iron-man-is-it-too-much-to-ask-for-both-best-of-both-worlds-why-not-both-gif-3787079

[plush mason]

lol

[marsh grail]

What exactly caused him to lose faith in them?

[barren tapir]

Plot

And it is not he lost faith in them, it is a test

[marsh grail]

Basically they wanted all the primarchs out of the picture then?