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#40k-lore-chat
tender igloo
serene jungle
Can't really beat a pair of Aztek Fitness Gods Custodian Fitness Gods
storm jungle
@atomic pelican SORRY PING BUT
I just noticed something on the cover art
BUG BABY
serene jungle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/368067121147543553/922681356910215189/164...
What the fuck
Wait
Why are the both of you excited about that
atomic pelican
Hes cute
storm jungle
I mostly pinged Proud because shes a Gene-enjoyer
I personally find it horrific but shes a friend so 👀
serene jungle
... why do I have a scary feeling about this
Boss Jean is cool so its okay
I mean will there even be a mini with that 'baby'?
storm jungle
LMAO
serene jungle
I'd rater nope out of this system
atomic pelican
Love unlimited
storm jungle
ngl id love if they made a cultist with a genestealer baby
bu like
from a tabletop perspective it wouldnt make sense
serene jungle
I'm very fine with my hands I could probably make a tiny greenstuff genebaby
and I'd probably be grossed out the entire way
tender igloo
watching warhammer twitter be up in flames at the moment. fun times
serene jungle
he LOVES fucking spikes
uh, do you mean he fucking loves spikes or he loves fucking spikes
"yes"
😓
atomic pelican
It is a bit weird to me that theres a cult unit on the cover that doesnt ecist
Usually they use actual tt models
serene jungle
I actually converted a few nid models into xenomorphs when I was young, I regret not having them today so I can show them off
storm jungle
Ex) the guy in the spikesuit
Which one?
tender igloo
oh shit that is a magus
atomic pelican
Super styilized magus
tender igloo
also all i can really say about the current twitter fire at the moment is that shy is a fucking clown and adeptus ridiculous is trash. and that'll be all i say on the subject
storm jungle
LMAO
atomic pelican
Powerful
atomic pelican
Kill her
storm jungle
actually speaking of killing
atomic pelican
tender igloo
he is a great artist
storm jungle
Yeah i really like his style
just... needs to cut down on the spikes
JUST A BIT 🤏
tender igloo
thomas elliot is my personal favorite current GW artist
storm jungle
show art!
smoky mauve
Thats a beauty there
smoky mauve
https://64.media.tumblr.com/72820200f7fa453a7deb8d68616399f4/710fc90bb7926e0c-93...
That too. God, Age of Sigmar has some great art
storm jungle
Not as mighty as 40k atm but some style should hopefully come around
tender igloo
smoky mauve
Thats the art right there that made me want to pick up those blood knights. They're such wicked looking minis
serene jungle
https://64.media.tumblr.com/72820200f7fa453a7deb8d68616399f4/710fc90bb7926e0c-93...
That one's pretty dang cool
tender igloo
storm jungle
OOF
smoky mauve
such a good look
It is... like I imagined laqured red armor over black mail. And just. Ahhh. AHHHHHHHHHH
tender igloo
storm jungle
It is... like I imagined laqured red armor over black mail. And just. Ahhh. AHHH...
Im half sure they were inspired by the Bram Stoker Dracula movie
smoky mauve
Oh true.
storm jungle
https://i0.wp.com/thespool.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/DirsXOYXcAAHHYE.jpg?resize=500%2C741&ssl=1
tender igloo
this art fucks
smoky mauve
Wonder if I cang et one now thats like... not at extortionate rates... lol
storm jungle
this art fucks
Mmmm thats good tentaclemcguffins
smoky mauve
Hmmmmm... bloodknights are still a thing... maybe. <_<
tender igloo
my baby
smoky mauve
this art fucks
Oof. Now thats a beauty there
tender igloo
and one more
tender igloo
what's wrong with it? it looks fine to me
smoky mauve
Hot damn, the details on that nightlord armor
storm jungle
I really hate his style of doing this to the background
smoky mauve
The like, blurry shape thing?
tender igloo
i see it more as focusing on what he wants people to see
tender igloo
now that is just egregious
storm jungle
LMAO
Yeah sometimes its fine?
other times its "STAPH"
hes really hit and miss for me
others are great tho
but I do like my nitpicks so 👁️
serene jungle
God those artists deserves such a bigger pay
errant mauve
beep beep best warhammer artist coming through
serene jungle
beep beep best warhammer artist coming through
I mean I'm not all for the Eldar but you have to be stupid to not like the depth and use of colors in this one
storm jungle
beep beep best warhammer artist coming through
I really miss the older edition artwork the most
serene jungle
Also wtf crab claws eldar?
storm jungle
Scorpions!
storm jungle
🦂
serene jungle
Man I really don't know Eldar anything
tender igloo
serene jungle
But their models do be fine
tender igloo
i prefer howling banshee
serene jungle
https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-dawn-of-war3-dawn-of-war3-eldar-aeldari-howl...
Fine banshee coming through
serene jungle
meanwhile the same fans "uuuuuugh females in the astra militarum or anything
storm jungle
lmao
Yeah most Imperial armies suffer from "canonically they got female members but we are too lazy to give them heads"
Cadians barely got that now a few months ago
serene jungle
I don't care about GW stans, I'll call them Imps or Imperial Guards forever and they can't even stop me and their reeing really puts it into perspective that they could be happier in life not caring about such small details about stuff I am familiar with
tender igloo
i mean GW is historically really bad at sculpting female faces. so i almost wouldn't wish that fate on any female face sculpt
serene jungle
When I was 16-17 I would get cash on the side doing greenstuff female face models for the people who wanted it
God I should have stuck to my hobby
And taken pictures today
Not sure how much omney I could have earned going that full pro
The face models included other games too so
I'd do full long ponytails etc
smoky mauve
Its never too late to start agaaaain
serene jungle
Yeah but I'm not as hyper autistic and detailed today
I bought and went out of my way to get the tools and do the job for just an extra 5€ of what it'd cost to make
atomic pelican
Yeah most Imperial armies suffer from "canonically they got female members but w...
The funniest part is that banshees are the opposite
Where they are a mixed gender aspect
serene jungle
Lelith Hesperax is one model I was particularly proud of
Even when they made a new one of her around 2009-2010?
atomic pelican
I assume the booba is because its the image of Morai Heg even on male banshees
atomic pelican
New lelith came out with the latest drukhari iirc
serene jungle
I had 5 types of magnifiers and whatnot
atomic pelican
Yeep
serene jungle
3 types of dremaltools with different strengths ._.
atomic pelican
Ur ass going in the morai heg boobplate
storm jungle
dksddsf
smoky mauve
Ur ass going in the morai heg boobplate
Bruh. Sounds like you should start again
serene jungle
I wish I was more about taking photos and such as I am today but eh
smoky mauve
Just for fun
atomic pelican
?
serene jungle
The thing is if I were to strain my eyesight today and such I'd probably be dizzy af
I can read a book for 2 hours now and I'll be dizzy for the rest of the day
I spent probably only 1-2 hours a day at home for schoolwork and most of my time molding and sculpting stuff for fun
smoky mauve
Heck dude, get a magnifier? Or jewelers magnifiers. Its what I do when I do fine details
serene jungle
errant mauve
I mean I'm not all for the Eldar but you have to be stupid to not like the depth...
Paul Dainton's stuff all has wonderful tones and colours
🙏
serene jungle
For example this one
When I saw this it just reminded me how crazy detailed I was and that I'd have probably made something similar
smoky mauve
The only thing stopping you is you bro. If you want to do it, do it. Old hard won skill can come back.
serene jungle
yeah see I don't have the money for it now, the way I did it back then was that I wasn't worried about living alone or paying my own things back then so I could just ask parents
And during classes since I went to a programming school, there were odd classes that had electronics and other things
And I'd just ask the teacher if I could take spare stuff, such as cut off pins or metal/wood/whatever shavings
smoky mauve
One day dude. In the meantime, take a look at the art, and let that imagination flow. Because all creativity comes from that.
serene jungle
I don't think anyone but me at the time would go so far to make a model using a god damned hypodermic needle for fine detail shaping
I used literally anything I could get if the material was good or the shape and size was right like old discarded credit cards
Didn't expect to reminisce today but I suppose maybe I'll be "that old guy who makes professional greenstuff mods" in 10 years when I feel I can just throw money at it
I used resin to make a glass-coffin for a dreadnaught model
Converted using a spess mehren helmet and attached it to some parts I made to look like a torso from some fantasy stuff and bits and bobs to make the other parts, attached some mini purity seals all over it
Not sure why I did it I just thought it would look cool
And the way I shaped the coffin was just using some putty that I could scrape off
smoky mauve
Honestly man, it sounds like you still got the drive. I'd say start with something small. It always pays to return to something you love hobby wise
serene jungle
😂 yeh the thing is I don't have time and I'd probably just get irritated
Vs the young enthusiasm for not being as frustrated at failure when you had time for everything
smoky mauve
We probably should have taken this to hobbies. Uhhh.....
https://www.deviantart.com/anarchicfox/art/General-Trajann-Valoris-764121610
Art
tender igloo
i wish i had a bigger drive for conversions or kitbashing. most i've ever done is a head swap once or twice
serene jungle
I just know that I'd spend hours just trying to make a better looking face and just keep throwing stuff until I am satisfied and even if I did that when I was 15-19 I didn't mind it since there was no time loss or anything of the sort, there was nothing valuable lost
meager gale
beep beep best warhammer artist coming through
Love how terrifying the Eldar are in this. Just like a force of nature. Really good stuff
smoky mauve
They look awesome
native surge
The first two and tokyo drift were good smh
celest dome
Can I ask a Warhammer Fantasy related question ?
Since Magic come from the Chaos Gates, and that pretty much all the Lores of Magic (Colours, Dhar, Qhyaish...) and Divine Magic suffer from the Chaos manifestations, would Ice Magic be unique in not having it or no
barren tapir
As far i remember ice lore isn't related to chaos
celest dome
But isn't all Magic tied intresically to Chaos, just like the Divine Magic
Like Gods are usually against Chaos, but even their magic can result in Deamonic Interference (Meaning a Divine caster can still suffer from the Chaos Manifestation) I would find it incredibly strange if only 1 dinstinct lore of magic didn't
barren tapir
I think that might be more a gameplay mechanic than a lore one, ice lore is connected to the territory, the colder is the climate the stronger it gets, and something about leylines iirc
Regarding divine magic i never saw it being capable of chaos manifestation... Of course chaos divine magic excluded
celest dome
WFRPG 2nd Ed.
If you rolled a 0 (or a 100 regarding your dices) you got to use the second table of Chaos Manifsetation
cerulean wagon
Since Magic come from the Chaos Gates, and that pretty much all the Lores of Mag...
Ice magic is mitigated in chaos drawbacks as it is syphoned through the great white hag, but only while being used within kislev
outside of kislev it works as per all other magic
celest dome
So it's still a normal lore of magic, I'm not crazy thank Tzeentch
cerulean wagon
you can check this in the WHFRPG 2e kislev expansion book
has a section dedicated too witches, including ice and hag magic
celest dome
Well someone was telling me the adverse while quoting that book and i was going crazy
Then again he was saying that Necromancy isn't mostly Shyish
cerulean wagon
as per the kislev book they are protected from the curse of tzeentch only as long as they remain in kislev, but may feel the wraith of the great hag instead, and the protection is limited it can still occur
celest dome
So in certain accords it's similar to Divine Magic, where you're protected by a higher being but are still using Chaos energy
barren tapir
Well someone was telling me the adverse while quoting that book and i was going ...
Necromancy is kinda corrupted shyish, nagash was the one that created it
celest dome
That's what I was saying, he was saying it was developed on Dhar (Which is only true for the Nagashizar Lore of Necromancy) so it's not an alternate use of Shyish
barren tapir
All necromancy is from nagash
upbeat arch
dull osprey
Just dug up my old Colonel Schaeffer model, I love the Last Chancers so much
proper helm
Any interesting non-standard vehicles used by guard regiments?
scenic bolt
they had the digger apc
this thing, the hades breaching drill, basically a chimera that moves through dirt
proper helm
Glorious
scenic bolt
Ye Olde Versione
proper helm
Also I've seen them on battlescribe and they're a comically good melee unit
with like 1d3+3 melta attacks
scenic bolt
yea thats pretty strong for vehicle melee
storm jungle
Any interesting non-standard vehicles used by guard regiments?
Highly suggest using the lexi
theres some amazing stuff here lol
proper helm
Lmao the Chimera's the only remaining member of a whole family of APCs
plush mason
i love they based it off the old USSR ones
rose thorn
damn i dont like fur on chaos models
it looks good on certain armies but not on others
i mean certain legions
but like, iron warriors and emperors children is
iffy
karmic gulch
Who were the dreadnoughts we saw in blood angels?
storm jungle
Who were the dreadnoughts we saw in blood angels?
Hm?
dim totem
Who were the dreadnoughts we saw in blood angels?
they were michael stoklasus and jayus baumanus
storm jungle
Redlettermedia serves even in death
storm jungle
LMAO
karmic gulch
I meant the names
native surge
rose thorn
I kinda fucking hate you can run lore important characters on table top
I understand why
But it’s like ‘why is guliman at every fucking battle- he has no reason to come to this planet buttfuck no where to fight necron’
Theres some lesser characters that are cool tho, that arent as important and realistically can go and spend their time doing this shit
final spruce
Because in the eyes of GW tabletop > lore
storm jungle
^
rose thorn
I don’t know what it’s like for the new space marine models, but I feel like making your own named characters are getting harder
Like chapter master model being mono pose I think
And no customization
The primaris one
I know the first born one is super good
Or Am I thinking of the captain-
I think I’m mixing up models
final spruce
That's too bad because AoS has rules for making your own character
That's something that would work great in 40k
With the lore and GW trying to give people the ability to do their own sub faction
rose thorn
That's too bad because AoS has rules for making your own character
For real? That’s super cool
final spruce
tender igloo
Because in the eyes of GW tabletop > lore
That really is the case too. Models and games first, lore is secondary
final spruce
Well, without sales there is no lore so technically speaking its right, however, without the lore 40k is just another tabletop game
cunning wigeon
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/03/the-generals-handbook-2020-buildi...
Is the stuff to do that in the core rule book?
prisma lark
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/07/03/the-generals-handbook-2020-buildi...
alright, that last Vampire Lord is awesome
I don't even know what I'm looking at, I can see some parts of Dorghar but that's about it
final spruce
Is the stuff to do that in the core rule book?
I have no idea
cerulean wagon
its a blood knight, with one of the mortarch crests, on archaons dragon
...with undead dragon/terrorgheist wings
rose thorn
Are there any salvor chem dog characters? Like actual ones and not just some one off quotes
Salvar
Not salvor
plush mason
so what exactly do missionaires do in the imperium?
i cant see the cult of the emperor doing any kind of normal mission work
proper helm
There's a lot of not-imperium that doesn't get subjected to genocide, such as unincorporated newly discovered human worlds
storm jungle
so what exactly do missionaires do in the imperium?
missionary
/ˈmɪʃ(ə)n(ə)ri/
a person sent on a religious mission, especially one sent to promote Christianity in a foreign country.
This but in space basically
proper helm
a lot of somewhat less violent than usual attempts to maintain orthodoxy are done
plush mason
There's a lot of not-imperium that doesn't get subjected to genocide, such as un...
i imagine that is done how it was in the early dark ages. with the missionaries using advanced tech and knowledge to prove their god's power
proper helm
do you mean 40k's Dark Age or IRL?
plush mason
IRL
smoky mauve
This but in space basically
Except theyre like more likely to be armed. Unless theyre in the US, so theyre even more likely to be armed
proper helm
A lot of "this figure is totally just Jesus, trust me" went on with pagan religions encountered by early missionaries in Europe
plush mason
sure but that wasnt the only way they did it
proper helm
yeah definitely
plush mason
trickery was a usefull tool
rose thorn
holy fuck i forgot missionaries were a thing
plush mason
i only remember them from DOW soulstorm
rose thorn
i hope men of iron come back a bit
maybe not as an army
but maybe as one of thos epremade kill teams
or possible a tau HQ, since tau dont know what men of iron are maybe one of them would join their ranks
rose thorn
i know and i fucking love him
all the black fortress models actually had killteams rules for the old killteams!
but they were considered astra militarum
marsh grail
or possible a tau HQ, since tau dont know what men of iron are maybe one of them...
Even if they did know would they care?
Are men of iron actually evil or do they just want freedom?
rose thorn
freedom
plush mason
Are men of iron actually evil or do they just want freedom?
the later imo
marsh grail
Yeah so if serving the greater good stood to benefit them they could certainly join the tau
Besides they show clear interest in unknown technology like that one that explores the black stone fortress so I’m sure they’d be intrigued by tau tech.
rose thorn
well they also have a bit of a god complex, and would be hard to control so some tau would 100% have a hissy fit
rose thorn
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/d/de/UR025.jpg/revision/la...
also this guy specifically went into the fortress just to find another AI friend
marsh grail
My question is why aren’t there cults of hereteks surrounding the men of iron?
Hey that’s an idea
rose thorn
because admech are fucking terrified of them
peak hamlet
I think men of iron are all ded
rose thorn
i had an idea actually for a forgeworld that was taken over by an AI and the admech are too scared to report it or anything
no there are a handful of men of iron left
marsh grail
I’d love that
rose thorn
I’d love that
me too, but i dont know how i would design them or make them more unique
marsh grail
People have been asking for a dark mechanicum army right? Then have men of iron be a model they can use. Just give it some sort of thing that makes it hard to control.
rose thorn
Well tbh, if men of iron were apart of chaos it would be kinda lame
marsh grail
Like if you roll too low it does it’s own thing
rose thorn
OH MY GOD THERE USE TO BE AN ORK MODEL THAT DID HTE EXACT SAME THING
you literally rolled dice because they would act on thier own
marsh grail
Yes and it’s an awesome thing
rose thorn
but they were so lucky that orks near them got a really good shooting buff
marsh grail
There needs to be more crazy models
rose thorn
i know the penal guard had rules that made you randomly roll for what weapons they had
back like forever ago
storm jungle
Hey that’s an idea
Im late but
because 40k's writing is lazy
and as usual left blank so you can do your own stuff
its one of the reasons why the universe can feel so small
rose thorn
i like the blanks os you can kinda do waht ever you want
atomic pelican
I think any army based on random chance for controlling them would be genuinely awful to play
rose thorn
but the new story they have been pushing has been kinda sucking the fun out of it
marsh grail
and as usual left blank so you can do your own stuff
Begone you with your facts and logic!
rose thorn
I think any army based on random chance for controlling them would be genuinely ...
yeah
it would still be funny
storm jungle
Begone you with your facts and logic!
rose thorn
ew ew ew ew the walking dead had a fucking tabel top game?
that sounds awful
war game i mean
marsh grail
I think any army based on random chance for controlling them would be genuinely ...
Well it would be like if you roll a D6 and get a 1 or 2 it does it’s own thing.
atomic pelican
Yeah thatd be incredible pain
rose thorn
how would you determine that?
storm jungle
ew ew ew ew the walking dead had a fucking tabel top game?
Dude
rose thorn
just roll another d6 and go off a chart
atomic pelican
Presumably using like a scattsr table for movements or actions
storm jungle
they milked the shit out of that franchise
storm jungle
LMAO
rose thorn
bruh i need the carol booster pack
marsh grail
just roll another d6 and go off a chart
Yeah and most could probably be reasonable things like it moves in the direction of a scatter die and some on the extreme ends like a 1 it attacks the nearest unit regardless of affiliation and a 6 maybe it actually attacks the nearest enemy but more than normal or for more damage.
rose thorn
yeah but probably wouldnt be that fun, since now a days 40k is an objective based game
rose thorn
so litearlly just losing an objective from pure chance
marsh grail
Maybe don’t try to control an objective with a wildcard
rose thorn
lmao
plush mason
lol
plush mason
lol
marsh grail
Actually what kind of clothing does your average imperial citizen wear?
Is it just normal coveralls if it’s a hive city?
plush mason
iirc it depends on the world
marsh grail
Ok so typical hive city manufactorum worker and say an agricultural planet? You know the ones most likely to get massacred in an invasion.
plush mason
agriworlds idk but with most hiveworlds the normal citizens are all workers of some kind so they wear work cloths mostly iirc
marsh grail
Ok so most likely coveralls then
I was just wondering if it was just timeless coveralls or pseudo medieval/Roman clothes like in other sci-fantasy settings.
rose thorn
oh i didnt realize that the phoenix brethren were a homebrew chapter
god the flame hawks look so good
serene jungle
Salamanders want to have a word with you
rose thorn
fuck the dragons do they explode into flames im battle?
and were they mostly hunted down by grey knights for no reason?
serene jungle
Sounds a bit weird for the grey knights to care about that, yeah
rose thorn
OH becase they were concerned that the fire that hawk lords produce was chaos caused
rose thorn
lmao no
the fire actually fended off demons
the original concern was that they were being attacked by pykers because they were battling demons
the chapter master went to an inquisitor because his men would jsut fucking blow up
and he had no clue it was just a geneseed defect until he noticed his men who blew up were perfectly fine
plush mason
so where exactly does the force commander rank fall in SM hierarchy?
marsh grail
and he had no clue it was just a geneseed defect until he noticed his men who bl...
GENESEED DEFECT?! Genetics don’t make you explode.
plush mason
they do in 40k
eternal ledge
GENESEED DEFECT?! Genetics don’t make you explode.
Stares in Flesh Change
marsh grail
That’s different. That’s just magic boneitis.
eternal ledge
That’s different. That’s just magic boneitis.
vast frigate
glad prism
fuck the dragons do they explode into flames im battle?
Flame Falcons are the guys that explode. These guys are the Fire Hawks and have nothing to do with the Flame Falcons.
glad prism
It happens, pretty easy to do that tbh
rose thorn
I’m pretty sure GW got them mixed up too
Because it says the flame falcons made an appearance fighting of Tyranids even though it would have been after they were exterminated
rose thorn
What’s the worst chaos warband to be a cultist to
I’d say death gaurd or word bearers
final spruce
Iron Warrior
rose thorn
Sons of malice too would kinda blow
rose thorn
Iron Warrior
Oh shit true
barren tapir
One should never grade evil, otherwise it could end allying on the lesser one... Or something i'm not a witch hunter
rose thorn
Become a domestic abuse piece to the iron warriors
rose thorn
One should never grade evil, otherwise it could end allying on the lesser one......
The least evil faction is tryanids and no one is gonna end up allying with them
barren tapir
GSC are actually "allied" to nids though
final spruce
They are, until they aren't
barren tapir
^^
They are until they get hungry... Which is understandable, i too become untreatable when hungry
rose thorn
https://tenor.com/view/frog-look-stare-gif-15464672
Tryanids to GSC the moment the battle is over
final spruce
Yeet himself into the funny bumbling pool "Why do I instantly feel immense guilt and self-hatred ?"
rose thorn
God I wnat a frog Tyranid frog so bad, it’s so fucking funny for literally no reason
barren tapir
I guess there is something that us bugging them on what happened to their planet
rose thorn
damn the Indigan Praefects are cool
storm jungle
so do the imperial fists really have a fort that moves?
The Phalanx yep
its basically just a giant space station
storm jungle
No idea, i only know a joke comic about it
plush mason
yeah thats why i was asking
storm jungle
plush mason
yeah that
storm jungle
Like these are kind of a thing? But not just devoted to the Fists
plush mason
i know the IG have something like that
storm jungle
the Capitol Imperialis yeah
plush mason
a massive mobile command center
errant mauve
The fists don't have one in their armoury no
storm jungle
Yeee the only faction with semi-moving buildings atm is the Sisters
errant mauve
Outside the phalanx and obviously relics from the Heresy Era, the IF don't really shatter any rules regarding armament
plush mason
Yeee the only faction with semi-moving buildings atm is the Sisters
they do?
storm jungle
Drop Cathedrums ye
storm jungle
No its in the 8th and 9th edition codex
plush mason
wtf
storm jungle
whats up lol
plush mason
they litterally drop churchs on people
plush mason
wow
storm jungle
they also release holy water to drown them
storm jungle
Yeah just more massive since they're basically buildings
this was from the 4th issue of the sister comic released like last month i think
they based them off this old artwork
plush mason
ok so that would be cool to see
storm jungle
Thats the one in the background
storm jungle
lmao
they're basically just normal imperial ships really
they are like as big as an apartment block
plush mason
oh
storm jungle
so its not that massive compared to the gargantuan ships that carry them in loads
plush mason
true
dude i think it would be horrifying for the heretics that see one of those drop
storm jungle
everything is nightmarish in 40k so 👀
plush mason
yeah but imagine a massive church landing and its massive gates open and a horde of pissed off heavily armed nuns come flooding out
do they use them to deep strike behind enemy lines like the SMs do?
storm jungle
Nah Sisters are usually shock-attack troops
they arent an horde faction but theres a reason most artwork shows them attacking en-masse
so they'd probably just drop infront/back in the lines, it'd have to depend on the dropzone in general
storm jungle
Entirely depends as with most of 40k
But most of the major Orders tend to outnumber Marine Chapters in general but arent as numerous as I.G regiments
plush mason
well i hope they out number the SM chapters. those are only 1k normally
storm jungle
Yeah Sisters recruit any woman from anywhere as long as they pass the schola training
their Minor Orders (which is basically their successor equilavents) vary a lot in number tho since its all homebrew
storm jungle
The size and composition of Imperial Guard regiments is not standardised across the Imperium; the number of individual Guardsmen alone can vary enormously between regiments, with some only a few hundred strong at founding-strength, whilst others possess tens of thousands of fighting troops.
plush mason
oh
storm jungle
plush mason
so do SM fleets still have normal human captains for their ships?
storm jungle
Yeah the ships are manned by humans
but otherwise my lore beyond how SM fleets faction isnt that great lol
errant mauve
so do SM fleets still have normal human captains for their ships?
"Unlike the vessels of the Imperial Navy, a Space Marine ship has a relatively small crew. A Space Marine is far too valuable to waste in manning a gun or watching a surveyor screen, and so only the officers aboard a vessel are likely to be Space Marines, as well as the few Techmarines who oversee the engines and perform other mechanical duties. Almost all the ship’s systems are run and monitored by servitors; half-human cyborgs who are wired into the vessel’s weapons, engines and communications apparatus. There are also a few hundred Chapter Serfs to attend to other duties, such as routine cleaning and maintenance, serving the Space Marines during meal times and other such honoured tasks. "
tl;dr While human officers are possible, the position is likely filled by a SM (probably 4th company captain)
plush mason
i see
odd sparrow
serving the Space Marines during meal times and other such honoured tasks
they fuckin
atomic pelican
Simps
marsh grail
Whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Fist Land Tank outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.
smoky mauve
they based them off this old artwork
Thats some beautiful work there. I wish they did more of these sweeping vistas in codecies. Rather than... CHARACTER POINTING WEEPON
marsh grail
Umm what’s that in their leg?
storm jungle
piercings
masochism is a big thing with religious stuff in the imperium
the usual "gotta hurt myself to repent" stuff
storm jungle
Yeah pretty much
dim totem
p sure those are just an assortment of forks
thin horizon
Rock and Stone!
barren tapir
Yooooooo, squats are returning! The galaxy is healing!
thin horizon
I gotta wonder what capacity they will work in for 40k
Will they be xenos, broken away from the imperium after the tyranid incident, or will they be a forces of the imperium? Or even an elite slot?
prime kernel
Wooooo
plush mason
so do death cultists join the inquisition at times?
storm jungle
Yep
Inquisitors are literally RPG parties
so they can have anyone from anywhere most of the time with enough of an explanation
final spruce
Which is great when you wanna make Dark Heresy rpg games
Also funnily enough those rpg books tend to have the best lore and power transition from lore to gameplay
Especially compared to tabletop
plush mason
lol
storm jungle
Yeee
the RPG explanation is the easiest one to make lmao
its also why they are almost Mary Sues in the fact that they can pretty much do what they want half the time as long as they show that badge around
plush mason
oh so how are plauge ogryns made?
final spruce
You take an ogryn and make him hang around plague zombies long enough / make him eat those
Rituals also help
plush mason
so a bit like how chaos trolls are made
final spruce
Probably I know very little about WHF lore
final spruce
Especially since ogryns tend to be dog-like levels of loyal
So one would follow you even if you fell to Nurgle's influence
storm jungle
Lmao yeah
dull osprey
its also why they are *almost* Mary Sues in the fact that they can pretty much d...
Whenever I DM or whenever I play in a game the DM, we're always in the consensus of while flashing the Rosette is definitely a power move, you always have to think A. Do I have the biggest dick in the room? B. Will showing this fuck up the investigation by people clamming up/scattering? Or C. Am I in an area where people will even give a damn. Lol
That being said, we also generally bump up the starting exp and equipment because like you said, you can generally requisition generally whatever the hell you want, and stats wise it's obnoxious base game cause you're barely better than a Guardsmen, whereas if you're part of a retinue, you're supposed to be some of the best of the best of the best, sir.
Now later on when you start dealing with some crazy weapons/armor then you get into the aforementioned dick-swinging contest, and even then you might have to owe a favor, which at this level in the Imperium hierarchy is an expensive price
storm jungle
Yeee its entirely up to how you play the Inquisitor in question
Im really biased against most people with Inquisitor OC's since they do it as a power fantasy
but i wont be against well written ones
karmic gulch
(i missed this all and only now realized i asked it)
Technically the current Humans have some of the worst tech xd
dull osprey
Yeah, playing an Inquisitor is very hard to do right, I agree, I prefer if the DM has an offscreen Inquisitor giving us missions/info.
But yeah if the player an truly role play without being a power tripping asshole it can be really fun. One of my favorite characters was a former Steel Legionnaire that got recruited into a retinue after being the lone survivor after his unit got requisition into a side mission on Armageddon, then eventually being an Interrogator, then the Inquisitor, granted him the rank, and so he was very fresh, so I played him as very militaristic, which worked in some ways and I failed in other ways, but character was learning how to navigate the new hierarchy, and how swinging the rosette around sometimes wasn't always the best option
upbeat arch
I like the freedom of doing Rogue Trader
You can really go off with that one. Kroot, eldar, hobbits, squats, humans, it can be feasible to have an ork on the team
dull osprey
Yeah Rogue Trader is super fun, you can really go all out. There still is some nuance which I like, but yeah
God what I'd give for a KOTOR style Inquisitor or Rpgue Trader game
upbeat arch
Sometimes i look back at that Blackstone Fortress book and think about how fuckin wacky that cast was
Good book, good game too
final spruce
I agree ,still have that book
dull osprey
Same
rose thorn
Congrats guardsmen, for Christmas you shall be given one extra ration of coffee
plush mason
God what I'd give for a KOTOR style Inquisitor or Rpgue Trader game
the closest we have rn is inquisitor martyr which is almost pure heresy lol
rose thorn
I mean at least it’s a good game
plush mason
yes
plush mason
and when the sororitas background comes out it will get even better
yeah tau arent in it
rose thorn
I had a fucking blast plowing down hordes of Eldar
plush mason
which is good as the sector it takes place in is on the other side of the galaxy from their empire lol
rose thorn
Lmao
plush mason
oh and orks arent eather
rose thorn
My only issues are
The like voice acting infuriates me
And there isn’t more cosmetics
rose thorn
oh and orks arent eather
That’s fine we already have like, 3 games to kill pens
Irks
Orks
Comestic options I mena
plush mason
i wonder who the VA will be for the sororitas
rose thorn
Hard to say, most likely it’s gonna be a voice actor who is also in the new space marines
Don’t see a real reason to not reuse actors
But I don’t know how that shit works so eh
dull osprey
the closest we have rn is inquisitor martyr which is almost pure heresy lol
Oh yeah for sure, but like I said, gie a full blown RPG that you can choose your retinue and equipment and what not
rose thorn
laughs in emperors children Ha, you belong to slaanesh im just returning you to your rightful owner
vapid tiger
Jokes on you I don't even play eldar
plush mason
lol
rose thorn
Holy shit a noise marine could 100% hook their gear up to a ship’s intercoms and fucking kill everyone
Unless the speakers fucking blow up
odd sparrow
no
rose thorn
you are vibing in the lunch room before hearing a bang
then the intercoms go 'BEEP' to get everyones attention
than for the next 3 hours all that plays is
plush mason
so what is frenzon exactly?
final spruce
A drug that makes you go frenzy
plush mason
so on demand roid rage basicly
final spruce
Yeah, its what they pump the Eversor with
Also Gland warriors can produce it naturally
rose thorn
canonically what does smite even do?
final spruce
Palpatine lightning
rose thorn
Lmao
So I picked up the rules book yesterday and
If you get those pykers for the astra militarum and purposely let them die ti perils of the war, couldn’t you just use them as suicide bombers?
It would be a meme strategy but
These guys
atomic pelican
In theory yeah but d3mw isnt rlly worth losing the psyker
+theres no guarantee you peril
In which case the enemy, who is now close to your astropath, will just kill tjem
atomic pelican
They have a few ways to fight on death but nothing like that
Because they throw their bombs
rose thorn
Oh
proper helm
I'm 90% sure that Wyrdvanes can't actually activate perils of the warp since they roll 1d6 + modifier
rose thorn
They have a few ways to fight on death but nothing like that
while you are here i have a question about GSC, if the brood master or what ever its called has a negative mutation or gets a brain injury, does it effect the rest of the cult
atomic pelican
That hasnt happened before, and probably not
Unless it starts effecting the patriarchs decision making
rose thorn
thats what i meant
the patriarch
got them mixed up
if the patriarch got fucked up
atomic pelican
Reasonably, if the patriarch got so fucked up it messed with his Broodmind connection, the other purestrains would probably cannibalize him and habe another evolve
rose thorn
i had an idea for a genestealer cult that basically caused the entire cult to become super cannibalistic and enterally hungry
rose thorn
lmao
and i would have made the patriarch have like a fucking saw stuck in his head or something
final spruce
So I picked up the rules book yesterday and
If you get those pykers for the ast...
Wait you bought the 8th edition guard codex ?
atomic pelican
Honestly probs enough time until the 9e one for it to be worth it
Not sure
Probs late 2022 guard?
Considering current lineup
Tho then again
Waha lmao
Neat for art and such doe
final spruce
Yeah
Well we did have one of the first 8th editiol codex
Wether its a blessing or curse
final spruce
rose thorn
Wait you bought the 8th edition guard codex ?
no the 9e edition rules
final spruce
Guard has no 9th edition rulebook
atomic pelican
I assume he means the core rulebook
eternal ledge
plush mason
the fact hive tyrants can fly is just so crazy to me
the damn thing is the size of an imperial knight iirc
storm jungle
the damn thing is the size of an imperial knight iirc
Oh nah they arent that big
like they still dwarf a marine but not THAT giant
plush mason
i mean an imperial knight is only 30 to 40 feet tall
so the tyrant is a good 20 foot
cedar seal
maybe
storm jungle
plush mason
hm
cursive hull
I mean, 40k's biology isn't meant to make sense in many cases.
The entirety of the Nids is one of those things
plush mason
true
storm jungle
Oh yeah I know
im just saying hive tyrants arent gargantuan
they still gotta be on the tabletop etc
storm jungle
yeee
i think the only gargantuan nid so far is like the Mawloc or the big ass titan bug they have
plush mason
they are also a lot lighter than i thought
cursive hull
Now that in particular is a 40k staple
Shit being either way too heavy, or way too light.
storm jungle
^ and the writer of whoever wrote that having no idea how biology works lol
like im not an expert either but a living organism with weaponized organs and other biological matter stuffed into it would never be that light lmao
plush mason
bold of you to assume an inter galactic nightmare beast follows earth rules of biology
storm jungle
I mean it clearly does
cursive hull
Not to mention, a Hive Tyrant is made up of like... Dense armored Chitin and muscle
cursive hull
This shit's gonna weigh more than 6 tonnes.
cerulean wagon
i think the only gargantuan nid so far is like the Mawloc or the big ass titan b...
biotitan, mauloc, trygon and uhhh theres another one i forget the name of
heirodrule?
oh and the dominatrix
cursive hull
I wager they'd weigh about as much as an MBT, if not heavier.
plush mason
i need to get those damn unit dlcs in gladius so i can play with one lol
tell you what the haruspex has one ugly head
prisma lark
how big was the Harridan again?
if nids can make this fly, they will have no issues with a Tyrant
answer: pretty fucking big apparently https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/6/6a/Harridan.jpg
plush mason
i wasnt really taking issue with it. its just the thought of seeing a 20 foot beast flying like that is crazy to me
its more to do with the fact my first time seeing the nids was in DOW2
which only had the land variant of tyrant
tho it seems like the winged tyrant is less of a threat in terms of fire power
prisma lark
hmm... the current mini is trading one pair of arms for its wings, but I have no idea how it is rules-wise
do they get less weapons if they take wings?
plush mason
seems that way
peak hamlet
Man i wish some of the fw minis would get updated to gw's nid standart
Like the wings for example
:/
Also that stuff
Whereas gw's nids look a lot.. cleaner?
eternal ledge
It makes me think the big ones were grown too fast. Like their organic material couldn't keep up
thin horizon
Having seen harridans in real life, they look GREAT
cerulean wagon
fuck it i'll suffer some krieg cringe
storm jungle
LMAO
smoky mauve
Howd they blow the whistle through the gass mask?
cerulean wagon
i love it being so dark i cant see anything
smoky mauve
The parts i can see is nice tho
cerulean wagon
is that it over?
storm jungle
i love it being so dark i cant see anything
Was about to say this is dark as hell
storm jungle
WAIT WHAT
smoky mauve
I think i only caught part of it? It says its 5 minutes long
cerulean wagon
the animation starts at the zoom in to the castle
storm jungle
Not gonna lie the intro with that priest responsible for all this shit was great
but then I was just expecting the cut to a smoggy morning setting in the trenches or something lol
cerulean wagon
the rest? garbage
storm jungle
death
peak hamlet
😎
smoky mauve
How. Did. They. Whistle. Through the mask? Do Krieg officers moutpieces have a inbuilt whiste?
Does that mean when one gets bodied by a chaos space marine
smoky mauve
They might make a whistle sound?
storm jungle
ngl im half-sure he didnt do more just because of the copyright stuff
smoky mauve
Like a squeeky toy?
cerulean wagon
they squeak like squeaker from toy story
smoky mauve
Should have made a 10 minute version where its like "censored per GW guidelines"
smoky mauve
Also is this a release for a trailer or the whole thing?
storm jungle
I got no idea
smoky mauve
smoky mauve
Thats not fair. You gotta compare it to blood of angels
But in all seriousness i do hope thats like... a trailer
storm jungle
But in all seriousness i do hope thats like... a trailer
Also yeah me too
because i get that animation is hard but this really feels extremely abrupt
smoky mauve
The parts i could see looked good
And i get the dudes narrative
But its priest flailing, guys in a hallway. Trench. Trench. Trench. Stab a dude. Trench. No mans land. Mask whistle. Some charging
Its more disjointed scenes than a narrative?
smoky mauve
Until otherwise im gonna assume its a trailer
storm jungle
1 sec im gonna test something
damn even when I maxed out the brightness its hard to see
smoky mauve
damn even when I maxed out the brightness its hard to see
Its all there in the title dilly. "In the grim darkness"
But honestly that does look better
storm jungle
damn it
final spruce
No need to animate shit if you don't see anything
storm jungle
now thats big thinkin'
smoky mauve
No need to animate shit if you don't see anything
plush mason
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPkcsqtiwsc
so like what exactly lead to the siege of vraks?
storm jungle
Okay THE most condensed version
Big ammo planet
Cardinal acted as the leader
He was really REALLY charismatic
Got corrupted by chaos
Led the planet into thinking the imperium was un-cool
A vindicare was sent after him
He took the shot, the priest had a shield on
He took the shot, the priest had a shield on
The Vindicare got caught and the Cardinal used this an excuse to start a revolt
From there its just a boring war of attrition
by the end the planet was left unusable and it was all for nothing hilariously enough
peak hamlet
Cardinal dude got deamon princ'd too
smoky mauve
Which lead to the trenches and shoves meme
storm jungle
Cardinal dude got deamon princ'd too
Oh no worse
when they FINALLY got to the main spire he was in
he was just a chaos spawn 
since he was pretty much a puppet figure for the chaos marines
storm jungle
Yeee
smoky mauve
It did bring up some cool things. Like tunnel fighting, and that cool open topped super heavy that nobody uses anymore
storm jungle
Yep-yep, its more that it just wasnt my thing i think
I read through the entire war but like it wasnt that interesting to me
smoky mauve
I think the aesthetic just got everyone by their jimmies
plush mason
since he was pretty much a puppet figure for the chaos marines
which legion? cuz that all sounds like something the alpha legion would so
storm jungle
Alphas most likely
they were the ones most involved
other chaos warbands were present but it was mostly for the memes and kills they wanted to make
plush mason
like the world eaters it seems from that video
dim totem
>Led the planet into thinking the imperium was un-cool
so he was right
smoky mauve
It was a chaos house party, and Abaddon was not invited
plush mason
It was a chaos house party, and Abaddon was not invited
so thats why it was so successfull 😛
dim totem
nah the empire is cool
the same way i think the jungle is cool but i wouldnt wanna live there
smoky mauve
I mean, for sure. It was the equivalent of an Imperial Guard Bass Pro Shop, wasn't it?
storm jungle
Yep
but the entire summary of it on lexicanum is a bit long too
since this was Forgeworld
smoky mauve
Gotta sell dem 80 dollar books
I will say, I reallly do like the aesthetics of the Krieg? But their like.... die hard fans just.... make me side eye at them?
smoky mauve
True, I just felt it needed to be said lmao
plush mason
yes
smoky mauve
Yeee. Honestly, I sorta wanted to make them as guard Auxilaries to my Custodes...
storm jungle
oh? 👀
smoky mauve
Just for the fact that the emperor's own would fight beside a krieg regiment kinda embodies.... a sorta forgiveness?
plush mason
that would be epic ngl
smoky mauve
I even picked up some forge world kits for 'cheap' <_<
storm jungle
lmao
tbh go for it dude
just remember to make them look a bit "royal"
need that fancy armor
the gasmasks can stay tho
plush mason
I even picked up some forge world kits for 'cheap' <_<
meaning you didnt have to sell a kidney for it?
smoky mauve
I mean, not mine. <_<
plush mason
lol
smoky mauve
I honestly was thinking a white overcoat? but.... I hate painting white? lmaop
And painting those Krieg Leman Russes? In white?
I would rather ground down my own minis, and snort the resin
peak hamlet
I like krieg too but most of their fans are just cringe
Same with vraks
Neat little lore thingy for all factions but the memes killed it
Was more of a "attrition warfare is a terrible idea" in the beginning and turned into "haha funi shovel" in the end
Thx to fans
smoky mauve
Maybe I'll go with black cloaks with gold metal embellishments....
storm jungle
Maybe I'll go with black cloaks with gold metal embellishments....
I'd say this is the best
Im imagining white wouldnt look that great if they are next to golden giants?
smoky mauve
True
smoky mauve
I was also thinking of like... maybe based off the Old Guard ? But thats white and blue haha
storm jungle
Actually wait
smoky mauve
storm jungle
FUNNY YOU SHOULD POST THAT
I was gonna suggest perhaps modelling them after the Imperial army?
storm jungle
red is ❤️
smoky mauve
And if I get grenadiers... red coats, with black inner parts, and I can use like a copper/bronze for the armor bits.
Whelp, there it is then lmao
barren tapir
Im imagining white wouldnt look that great if they are next to golden giants?
There is an IG regiment that guard the palace that has white as their colour
barren tapir
IIRC this was one trooper of one of the old one hundred regiments, the ones that didn't got dismantled after the unification war... And it is one of those attached to the alpha legion iirc, one of the geno something
cerulean wagon
Im imagining white wouldnt look that great if they are next to golden giants?
Depends, white with gold trim works if its mostly marble
smoky mauve
Hmmm. I'll play around with the color pallett
vapid tiger
"An astartes that scoffs at a lasgun has not charged across an open field against twenty of them"
final spruce
I think the original quote was more around 1 000
vapid tiger
Oh yeah
No it was
"A legionary who scoffs at a lasgun has not charged across an open field against a hundred of them"
That's the og quote
errant mauve
Good take
vapid tiger
hot take #2
custodes existing on the tabletop immediately invalidated grey knights and is bad both for the game and to a lesser extent thematically (though this is fixable)
crisp heath
Eh Grey Knights are better on TT rn imo
crisp heath
I play custodes and activly enjoy them so I am super biased here
vapid tiger
"Knight-like space marines who play as an incredibly elite heavy infantry force"
Same niche
peak hamlet
Comparing any 40k faction to irl knights 😩
barren tapir
Funny, since the ones that are know to have knight aesthetic are the dark angels
vapid tiger
It's also just
Another example of there being too many fucking imperial factions
Specifically space marine ones
peak hamlet
Ah yes "knight aestetic"
barren tapir
I disagree on the "custards and grey knights share the same niche", one are super psykers, the other super SM
crisp heath
Custodes aren't SM tho, they are super humans but due to the details they are much different
peak hamlet
Man i realize i sound like a dickhead again, imma leave lmao
vapid tiger
Tbf csm also have a gimmick of just being "marines but chaos" but when they were created you could take daemons and whatnot alongside them in the same foc so
barren tapir
Custodes aren't SM tho, they are super humans but due to the details they are mu...
They are to SM what SM are to humans
barren tapir
Ah yes "knight aestetic"
Fake knight aesthetic, happy now?
vapid tiger
Now they've just been subpar ever since they made chaos daemons and csm seperate codices in 5th ed
no fucking idea why
barren tapir
I think that the term knight is used also by a lot of SM chapters...
vapid tiger
especially since on the fantasy side of things they undid it in aos and instead made 4 seperately distinct chaos armies that are all a mix of both mortals and daemons
But in 40k
Wanna take death guard and nurgle daemons together?
Fuck you, better pay up the cp and unit tax for another detachment
Tbf death guard and 1ksons suffer from it less than csm
Since poxwalkers and tzaangors are still meant to supplement the csm in those lists
in the regular csm codex you might as well just take cultists and leave the csm on the wayside
because they made them
1: worse than regular space marines for some bizarre reason
2: they don't really synergize well with cultists
but csm and say, bloodletters?
now we're talking that's some synergy, use the csm to sit on objectives and the bloodletters to take them
but wait fuck you
Take another detachment
i'm gonna stop ranting about that
eternal ledge
<@&735928989146939404>
errant mauve
?
storm jungle
primarchs are overrated
r/40klore has managed to make me despise them to the highest degree lol
I know that the joke is that any subreddit is terrible but people sometimes post really interesting lore bits there and it never gets any attention but the moment its some dumb post like "WHICH PRIMARCH BEATS THE OTHER PRIMARCH" it gets like 1k upvotes and hogs everything on the thread
rose thorn
i just realized i got my favorite space marine chapte rmixed up with another chapter
._.
rose thorn
I mixed up the FIRE HAWKS with the FLAME FALCONS
storm jungle
TERRIBLE.
cerulean wagon
forgot dark angels
plush mason
who?
rose thorn
Its literally not like they are the exact fucking same except teh flame hawks dont fucking explode into flames when religious
plush mason
lol
rose thorn
which im going to rightfully ignore
and say the flame hawks can explode\
because the are believed that they are the legion of the damned
who do catch on fire
errant mauve
Fire Hawks are pretty distinct from Flame Falcons, considering that they actually have a fair amount of IA dedicated to them, names aside.
plush mason
yeah iirc they got lost in the warp and then sucked back in time