Fine by me
#40k-lore-chat
errant mauve
there are
but I think the Horus Heresy is best experienced through the black books
and not the novel series
so I won't recommend any
rose thorn
who are the eldar's like medics and shit
how is thier healthcare
and does eldar healing work on other species?
asking for rogue trader reasons
atomic pelican
Followers of Isha
It doesnt
They use the tress of Isha
Which is a sort of.. special thing
It can heal basically anything short of full death if the patient is emotionally stabilized
Well, really no way to know if it works on non eldar but from the one excerpt about it, probably not
A eldar patient's emotions must be treated, their mind, before their body
Then the tress can heal all
rose thorn
oh
atomic pelican
Korlandril, a Striking Scorpion, nearly dies after being crunched by a ork warboss. He is filled with rage upon being KO'd, and when he wakes up under the tress, the Follower of Isha there has to force him out of his warmask to heal him
But when he is pulled out, the tress treats him in whole
buoyant crypt
You’re such a paragon of information
atomic pelican
Other interesting note: exarchs are even more banished from the places of eldar 'hospitals'
Ive just read the very overall doodoo craftworld eldar books
To scrap the interesting parts out
rose thorn
so what do corsairs spend most of their time doing anyway?
are they mostly vibing or arent they mostly mercs and pirates?
atomic pelican
Whatever they feel like really
It depends on the corsair
Theyre freehearts and rogues
Though they have a tendency to burn towards excess, unguided by a Path
Which often leads to evil
plush mason
how big are craft worlds?
atomic pelican
The largest craftworlds are about the size of moons or planetoids
rose thorn
the seize of contents i believe
atomic pelican
They can vary
rose thorn
contenents
plush mason
ah
plush mason
hate spelling
same
rose thorn
so yeah, im gonan have a corsair in my rogue traders, im not sure what their job is really gonna be, but he or she is gonna mostly be vibin in expensive clothes and jewlery and crap
antiquarian form darkest dungeon vibes
i dont wanna use all ny eldar guardians for just corpses
plush mason
isnt that all GW uses them for? 😛
ashen lake
eldar have to have something you actually get to shoot back at
if only tau did
sorry, i'm still salty from playing against taudar as guard in 6th edition
atomic pelican
Yeah its like completely nonrelevant now
final spruce
Mole merchants yes, even slavers if my memory serves
rose thorn
mole merchant men
rose thorn
hey, why does Janus Draik;s rogue trader group have a fucking AI?
Ur-025, how the fuck are they allowed to have them
odd sparrow
it pretends to not be sentient while hitching rides with admech or whatever
generally stuff like AI, xenos etc can get by in imperial regions way easier in more remote areas of the galaxy
plush mason
so why do nobs both lead squads and form their own?
or is that just part of the orks natural progression?
tender igloo
pretty much. an ork's character development is literally just getting bigger
the more they fight and win, the bigger and stronger they get.
plush mason
yeah that i knew
so i guess the nob squads are just what happens with a squad of boys fight and win a bunch
tender igloo
pretty much
tender igloo
a fuckload of cybernetics
also natural instinct built in by the old ones to make orks self-sufficient war machines
plush mason
so it just comes natural to some of them
tender igloo
yup
plush mason
yeah that makes sense
tender igloo
orks were made for one purpose. so naturally they needed ways to keep feeding the beast so to speak
plush mason
yeah
rose thorn
Im honestly convinced that the emperor had no fucking clue what the chaos gods actually were
Like obviously he couldn’t have guessed the death guard to join nurgle
I mean he probably could have
But like
‘Yeah this legion that perfectly embodies and feeds a certain chaos god, nah fuck em, they a bitch they will be fine’
serene jungle
Or you know, the best way to fight fire is with fire
So it'd make sense to have someone used to those things, fight disease with someone who knows them intricately
I mean you still have Space Wolves competing in melee with World Eaters relatively speaking
But then you had Emperor's Children doing the same thing but with duels
And then you had Dark Angels doing that thing too...
So its anyones guess heck
And then they settled for the whole debate to be World Eaters vs Dark Angels
And at least admitting that Kharn would have won as he couldn't be killed and he only got that much stronger the longer the fight went on
rose thorn
The emperor would have had absolutely no clue the emperors children would have joined chaos, for all he knew it was gonna be the white scars. Despite the extremely obvious signs pointing otherwise
plush mason
so i know papa smurf and dorn had built empires before big e found them. did any other primarchs do the same?
barren tapir
No other primarch were lucky enough to go on very well established and still functioning planets
Corvus was conquering the forge world when big E arrived
Lion had quite some big problems on caliban
Russ was just living a viking life
upbeat arch
did the emperor ever get the chance to yell at russ for attacking Magnus?
marsh grail
Boys will be boys
storm jungle
did the emperor ever get the chance to yell at russ for attacking Magnus?
Nah
Russ kind of drops off the big picture after Prospero since his character has nothing to do
rose thorn
God I don’t like russ’ character
He is just a huge jackass
At least they legion is cool
upbeat arch
He is just a huge jackass
Thats his charm!
rose thorn
He does the worst and stupidest shit and is the main cause of 2 pirmarchs joining chaos
Or was it just Magnus?
I guess alpha legion
dusk widget
To be fair, guy believed Horus' orders and had no reason not to at the time.
Horus told him the plan changed from capture to kill.
How did Russ lead to the XX to turn?
rose thorn
I know he was a massive dick to XX
Like bigger than the other legions
crisp heath
From what I remember Russ received Horus' order said "nah fam" but proceeded to kill Magnus anyway
Also I submit space wolves aren't cool
dusk widget
In Prospero Burns, Russ kept trying to get Magnus to surrender before reaching Prospero. Shame his messenger wasn't a Thousand Sons spy as he thought, but actually a Chaos daemon.
"This is a courtesy, then. From brother to brother. A grace period I would extend to no other enemy. Settle your affairs. Evacuate the civilians from your cities. Deactivate your defense systems. Bring yourself and your Thousand Sons out into the open, and prepare to surrender to me upon my arrival. Please, Magnus. The Wolves of Fenris have been unleashed upon you. Only you have the power to make the consequences bloodless."
He rose to his feet.
"Please, Magnus. Please."
The Wolf King looked away. He turned his back to Hawser.
"Does he answer?" He asked, distractedly.
"I cannot feel an answer," Hawser replied, his voice wobbling.
crisp heath
Iirc Magnus shut down all communications as a sign to land peacefully and come take him and didn't receive any messages so when the SWs landed and started slaughtering everyone he got passed bc he was trying to surrender with no casualties. (Not that this is a good way to go about surrendering)
dusk widget
Nah, Ahriman and co. went behind Magnus' back and organised defense. Russ saw it as Magnus' defiance, and the rest is history.
rose thorn
To be fair, they were the fuckinh space wolves, Ahriman had the foresight that it had a good chance of them getting slaughtered anyway
crisp heath
Basically it wasn't Magnus' fault this time
rose thorn
It was a solid 50/50 chance
crisp heath
Its actually a really tragic story in its own little section
rose thorn
Yeah
dusk widget
The entire Heresy is basically a big ball of miscommunication.
Except Erebus, fuck that guy.
rose thorn
Exactly
crisp heath
Too bad the narrator on audible makes it unlistenable
dusk widget
Ahriman's foresight comes from the Warp (and Tzeentch), so clearly he messed up there too.
(Tzeentch really does love fucking him over in particular)
rose thorn
Yeah
Rip deathguard and thousand sons, they don’t even want to follow their shitty gods
plush mason
poor mordy is now just a giant fly man
dusk widget
Any of y'all read the latest Siege of Terra book, Warhawk?
plush mason
didnt mordy grow up on a world ruled by some dude that was litterally a necromancer?
plush mason
how the hell did he ress people?
dusk widget
Nurgle.
plush mason
like was it pure warp sorcery or techno zombies or a mix of the 2?
dusk widget
Probably warp technology.
lost scarab
ROTFATHER BLESS THEE!
crisp heath
So Barbarus is a world ruled by these beings who use magic as necromancy, there are different dudes and Morty was the adopted son of a more powerful one.
dusk widget
Plus the planet was enshrouded in poisonous fumes the higher up one went, until even Mortarion's Primarch body couldn't handle it at the very peak where his dad reigned.
plush mason
i see
dusk widget
So Barbarus is a world ruled by these beings who use magic as necromancy, there ...
The most powerful I believe.
The last to fall, anyways.
crisp heath
Its a little ambiguous if they are xenos that are close to the warp, or just weird demons. Iirc we are never given a straight answer.
plush mason
so they where not human
crisp heath
If they were humans at one point they could no longer be called that
plush mason
hm
crisp heath
The last to fall, anyways.
Thats true
dusk widget
To the lords of Barbarus, the humans on Barbarus were either
a. toys to play with
b. experiment fodder
c. slave labour
d. all of the above
plush mason
btw who or what is the lord of flies? it is a great unclean one or something else?
dusk widget
One of Garro's Apothecaries I think. Was wounded by pursuing Plague Marines on the Eisenstein, fleeing to Terra from Istvaan.
lost scarab
Solun Decius.
plush mason
To the lords of Barbarus, the humans on Barbarus were either
a. toys to play wit...
so they where proto high lords of terra 😛
dusk widget
so they where proto high lords of terra 😛
No, they were xeno scum
Totally different I swear.
plush mason
lol
lost scarab
Magnanimous is the Plaguefather.
dusk widget
So... he was struck by a Nurgle Rot knife or something. Back then, there wasn't any possible way to fight it off. The Rot kept him alive but in constant agony, until he gave in to Nurgle's worship to escape the pain.
lost scarab
He bargained with our Lord for ailment to his suffering.
Such is the loving nature of the Grandfather.
plush mason
pff Nurgle worshipers
crisp heath
Coulda worshipped Slaanesh, the best chaos god, but ya didn't
lost scarab
Your God is a corpse, ours is living, eternal, everlasting.
plush mason
my god is the lord of blood and skulls
lost scarab
Pah, the Bronze Titan, whom knows not of creation... Only to destroy.
crisp heath
Khorne is so passé
crisp heath
Yes
crisp heath
But without pain wheres the fun
lost scarab
We tend to the gardens of his generous will...
We create.
We are blessed to be alive each day.
plush mason
Khorne offers strength and power
crisp heath
I mean all the Chaos gods offer power
I just would never fall to Tzeentch
Tzeentch is just the worst ngl
lost scarab
The Death Guard are the only divided Legion still remaining...
The others?
Warbands of barbaric fools.
plush mason
you think the followers of Khorne are ever out of combat? we live for war and it is all we need
lost scarab
Then you are foolish.
crisp heath
Imagine getting a ton of power to accomplish a goal then have that goal always pulled away from you at the last second
lost scarab
Khorne cares not for your folly, your attempts, your efforts...
crisp heath
Never worship Tzeentch
plush mason
Never worship Tzeentch
on that we agree
plush mason
tho honorless slannesh is little better
lost scarab
Excess takes from the subtly of success.
crisp heath
I get to feel so much and explore all my whims to their furtherest extent
crisp heath
True I must keep finding new things but I always do
lost scarab
Do you?
crisp heath
Rn its battletech
crisp heath
A day, a week, a month, a year? Who knows
crisp heath
I get to truely live tho
lost scarab
In excess?
lost scarab
What is love when lust overshadows it?
What is loyalty, when followers seek power?
What is feeling, when cacophony and suffering replace it?
You will die, that is true.
rose thorn
DEATH IS MEANINGLESS WITH OUT LIFE
crisp heath
Yes there is where it has the most meaning
rose thorn
AND IN LIFE LIES EXCESS AND SENSATION
lost scarab
You fill a void that cannot be filled.
Like a dying star, you burn so brightly...
But fade fast and are forgotten.
rose thorn
WHAT DO YOU GAIN FROM A STAR THAT NO LONGER EXISTS
lost scarab
Stars are finite...
plush mason
the only truth of life is that of blood
crisp heath
Good I don't want to live forever
rose thorn
FOOL, STAR ONLY PRODUCES ENERGY IN LIFE
plush mason
and you nore any of those that follow the grandfather are truely dead
lost scarab
In its crushing mass, and endless fusion.
rose thorn
BUT WHAT ABOUR AFTER DEATH?
plush mason
those who follow nurgle are fated to one end. to be a walking bloted corpse untill someone gives them a true death
lost scarab
And then we join the cycle of rebirth.
rose thorn
you fail to understand you are cannibalizing yourself, if nurgle succeeds it ensures his own death
lost scarab
Feed the galaxy full of his gifts.
plush mason
rebirth? HA
lost scarab
Tending the Garden forever.
You see mortal form as the only life?
My corpse gives life to others...
Flies, maggots, bacteria and fungi...
All are thankful for my offering.
plush mason
you give birth to filth and plauges that the godess isha has already told the mortals how to cure
lost scarab
It is the pride of one to think its life greater than all others.
The arrogance of damnation.
Take Mortarion... The lesser Champion...
Much to learn he must, from Typhus are Herald.
rose thorn
With out the life produced by your enemies you are nothing
lost scarab
Are we not?
You think our realm depends on yours?
We are vast, endless and warring with the others.
plush mason
atleast khorne does not lie nore mislead about his path
lost scarab
Without slaves your ecstastacious lusts will be your ruin.
rose thorn
you rely on others!
lost scarab
Nurgle cares for us, there are no lies.
He teaches us humility and the greater plan.
We embody a force together...
rose thorn
the blessed slaanesh promises gifts beyond rot and failure
lost scarab
Not alone, not of self.
rose thorn
death only lasts seconds, life lasts decades
lost scarab
Then why is it, concubine, that we stalk the empire, and you do not?
plush mason
life is pain. life is war
lost scarab
Have you yet ventured from your prison palace of flamboyance?
eternal ledge
Yessss a star releases all that energy in death... but the black hole will consume it all after the death.
rose thorn
How can you accept failure? Follow a god who only cares for those who care not for themselves.
lost scarab
Failure?
It is not failure to accept decay.
It is wisdom.
Fear becomes love.
Death becomes life.
Purpose becomes goal.
You have no goal.
rose thorn
True perfection never decays, beautiful metals shine brighter than rust.
lost scarab
Only an endless path with no true identity.
Do they?
All things rust.
Oxidise.
Only the inert cannot wither.
But never shines.
Name me a metal that cannot be tainted.
I wait.
rose thorn
A metal will only be tainted with our the proper care
plush mason
brass
lost scarab
Brass can undergo verdigris.
plush mason
but it does not degrade
rose thorn
At least Khrone understands the concept of pain and joy
plush mason
yes
lost scarab
Back to copper, not once more whole.
plush mason
and true perfection is always changing
lost scarab
Universals cannot be achieved.
rose thorn
Followers of Nurgles are nothing more that the table scraps, cast away for its failures and imperfections
flawed
plush mason
the purpose of the hunt for perfection is the chase not the catching
rose thorn
True
plush mason
Khorne demands we collect all the skulls in the galaxy. we can not it is impossable. but in trying we prove ourselves
rose thorn
Also i do not understand why khrone and slaanesh hate each other when they are practically one in the same, shouldnt slaanesh's sworn enemy?
plush mason
it is the seeking that defines us not the finding
rose thorn
Ahhh
plush mason
Also i do not understand why khrone and slaanesh hate each other when they are p...
they hate each other for the reason that Khorne detests needless cruelty
for such is a sign of weakness
rose thorn
Followers of Khrone strive in the sensation they gain from killing, while followers of Slaanesh strive from the sufferings of others. Everything Khrone does feeds oh so much to slaanesh.
Slaanesh is kinda, just leeching off of everyone
since its impossible to not feed him
plush mason
i can not speak for all khornites but killing is not a joy unto itself
unless the foe was truely worthy
rose thorn
That sense of pride and honor from defeating a foe in an honorable duel, the obsession with slaying all who are not worthy, the need to perfect your craft in war
the terror you bring
plush mason
yes all these things feed your lord
plush mason
yes
rose thorn
i forgot where iw s going with this
plush mason
khorne and slannesh are very much alike
rose thorn
Yeah
plush mason
and thats part of why they hate each other
also idk if slannesh has forgiven khorne from stealing khaine from it
rose thorn
Like most things in 40K, if they got along they would wipe out all their enemies
lost scarab
Also i do not understand why khrone and slaanesh hate each other when they are p...
No, it is because Khorne wants massacre, swift, bloody death. A thousand worlds drowned in war...
Slaanesh wants it slow, savoured... Remembered...
Khorne despises the weaker god and its debauchery.
lost scarab
Unless they survive...
rose thorn
What happens with Khrone civilians anyway?
lost scarab
They die.
rose thorn
Ah
lost scarab
All of Khorne's servants die.
plush mason
Unless they survive...
then the khornite failed and they are unworthy
rose thorn
I would guess they would be like squires and just do meaningless bullshit all day
lost scarab
But if a lowly Plague servant dies before The Great Unclean One?
rose thorn
‘Fucker, make food and clean mu shit ‘
lost scarab
He enrages at his child's end.
He crushes the foe who hath wrought an end to his unholy misson.
lost scarab
They tend to our garden.
plush mason
‘Fucker, make food and clean mu shit ‘
those who follow khorne do not eat nore sleep. we have no need of it
lost scarab
They spread his gifts.
Nameless, to even think of anything but war is your suffering.
Without it, panic attacks bring you to your knees.
No respite.
plush mason
and that is why we never stop
lost scarab
Your weakness is insatiable appetites. Both of you.
Perfection is pointless unless it creates.
War is pointless without a goal to make for it.
lost scarab
And again you shall not set foot in the realm of reality.
Forced to tether to the warp forever.
rose thorn
At least we have true purpose and are not meant to become nothing but literal garbage
lost scarab
Nurgle brings his Garden beyond the veil.
We have a true purpose.
To give life to all worlds.
Eternal life.
Unity.
In decay.
rose thorn
You are making as much sense as a follower of Tzeetch.
plush mason
and as mortals fight and die we press aginst the veil unto it shatters and we flood the doomed world
lost scarab
It does not surprise me your senseless mind cannot fathom my wisdom. All of that excess has rotted your brain beyond even Nurgle.
final spruce
Mmmhh roleplaying in the 40k lore chat ?
plush mason
ye
lost scarab
Sex is not about the sex, but the power and wait for its coming. The Slow dance and hunt for prey...
Even Khorne makes more sense than your way.
final spruce
Half of Nurgle's Garden was burnt to a crisp by Gulliman, get bent fatso
rose thorn
Sex is only a small form of joy and sensation
plush mason
Half of Nurgle's Garden was burnt to a crisp by Gulliman, get bent fatso
HAHAHA girlyman wins some tiny bit of respect from me
rose thorn
Plants grow back, probably about a quarter of it has grown back
lost scarab
Begone Imperial Puppet.
rose thorn
No no the emperor is a sign of perfection
lost scarab
The emperor... Is as good as dead.
plush mason
there is a reason khorne's warcry is the most known line of all warhammer
rose thorn
He is actually kind of an embodiment of every chaos god
plush mason
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!!!!!!
rose thorn
THE SILENCE OFFENDS SLAANESH
lost scarab
I see there is no convincing fearful minds... Blinded by escapism...
ROTFATHER BLESS US ALL!
rose thorn
What is the point of a god who strives on the failure of others
lost scarab
And that is why you lose.
This strawman... You have festered... Into this debate.
It is not failure, but mortality.
rose thorn
lost scarab
Acceptance of inevitability.
smoky mauve
What is the point of a god who strives on the failure of others
The kind that resppnds to prayers with "lol lmao"
rose thorn
True
plush mason
imagine worshiping a god you have to pray to
khorne comes when you prove yourself worthy of his time
he does not make you gravel on your knees
plush mason
one need only threaten nurgel with a bath to send him fleeing into his den
lost scarab
You think a bath would cleanse him?
placid timber
Any deed or worship done to an excessive amount doesnt feed your intended god and just ends up feeding slaanesh
lost scarab
HUEHAHAHAHAHA
rose thorn
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHH
plush mason
Any deed or worship done to an excessive amount doesnt feed your intended god an...
indeed the leech that it is
placid timber
Literally slaanesh is the most powerful despite being the youngest because they cover the most insidious and wide reaching ideas and concepts
lost scarab
Magnanimous Nurgle shields me from your jests. I know better than to be incited by frivolous rabble.
placid timber
While the others have a niche corner they fill
rose thorn
Our powers lay with in not our arms, but our influence
Only whispers are needed for entire planets to fall
plush mason
While the others have a niche corner they fill
khorne is struggle and the fight to survive
lost scarab
Where is your excess when your bodies wither before virulent agents?
plush mason
there is no life without khorne
lost scarab
Where is your perfection when your visage decays and you are festering?
final spruce
Technically Chaos Gods did not create life
lost scarab
Nurgle creates life endlessly.
final spruce
We don't need Chaos Gods, they are just constructs of emotions
rose thorn
that is, fair
final spruce
The 40k lore on chaos gods make em look like cartoon villains
rose thorn
One of our most powerful followers literally doesn't believe chaos exists so, cant argue with that
rose thorn
Black legion are traitors
plush mason
One of our most powerful followers literally doesn't believe chaos exists so, ca...
you mean Fabius?
rose thorn
Yes
glad prism
They're forces of nature, sometimes personified, sometimes not.
lost scarab
Hahahaha.
plush mason
Fabius follows none but his own needs/wants
lost scarab
The dogs bark so much at the creaking trees...
lost scarab
But the tree cares not for its noise...
plush mason
Both of you fuckers get in the Daemon engine, NOW
no
glad prism
<:grableft:837121417832300635> <:CEASE:712122054547341412> <:gun:835245265954668...
this was how Cars by Pixar was birthed into reality.
lost scarab
For its bark is silent, yet stronger still.
rose thorn
What happened to that Eldar god Nurgle stole from Slaanesh
rose thorn
Is she still in the garden?
plush mason
i did not know there are philosophers among nurgle's walking corpses. nore that their brains had not rotted away
plush mason
You will now be scorpion
there are worse fates
lost scarab
Have you ever spoken to a Great Unclean one?
glad prism
What happened to that Eldar god Nurgle stole from Slaanesh
Sometimes they whisper curse for afflictions to mortals while they're used to test diseases courtesy of nurgle dad
glad prism
there are worse fates
Like being on Discord
plush mason
Have you ever spoken to a Great Unclean one?
no
lost scarab
I'm surprised you can utter words of even pitiful wisdom behind your rabid slobbering.
rose thorn
I would think she escaped when the garden got burned down
lost scarab
Clearly the rage has yet to fully consume you.
rose thorn
Well half
lost scarab
A toe in the blood pool, not a swim with body.
plush mason
indeed
plush mason
no i save my rage for battle
lost scarab
Too cryptic for your cranium.
glad prism
Both of you: it's time for your 4 o'clock waterboarding session.
plush mason
is that the best you can do lapdog?
lost scarab
It will only bring you agony.
lost scarab
is that the best you can do lapdog?
Is that the best retort, rabid dog?
plush mason
Is that the best retort, rabid dog?
that was directed at the imperial
lost scarab
Hehehe...
glad prism
You are both of you a tumour on those you roleplay as
plush mason
lol
lost scarab
Tend the Garden I go, leave you all in your struggles.
lost scarab
You are both of you a tumour on those you roleplay as
A shame, your insult tickles.
-lick-
Mine stings.
plush mason
that was my first time roleplaying
glad prism
clearly
rose thorn
lmao
litaerlly has been lke
4 years since i had done any actual roleplaying
kinda fun
not counting DND
lost scarab
The pride of this one, far outshines his ambition.
Pat the little thing, for it thinks itself superior.
rose thorn
You are quite prideful for green pile of rot
plush mason
and tbf im not really a chaos fan. the nids are my fav faction but i know so little about the genestealer cultist i didnt want to try to RP as one
rose thorn
Im too much of a slaanesh fanboy to RP as anything but a slaanesh follower
plush mason
yeah of chaos khorne is my fav
rose thorn
I like tyranids, but i couldnt see my self playing them
and genestealer cults are too samey
plush mason
yeah i ignore the cult and just focus on the pure breeds
but they are the only option for nid RP :/
rose thorn
I like the honor sense and crap of khorne
lost scarab
rose thorn
but slaanesh kinda has more opportunity to be more liek royal knights and crap
lost scarab
I bid you Farewell, of love and decay... The Rotfather... Calls me away.
rose thorn
Enjoy being the punching bag in the new greyknight game
actually are other demons gonna be in that game?
or is it only nurgle
rose thorn
fair
plush mason
or is it only nurgle
iirc nurgle only for base game with possible dlcs for other gods
plush mason
that isnt confirmed tho thats just what everyone thinks will happen
rose thorn
oh
plush mason
we have very little info for chaosgate
rose thorn
i know its never gonan happen but if slaanesh is in the game at all, the silver knight of slaanesh would be a cool boss or maybe just give us a little bit more lore on him
actually no then i would be mad about my own silver knight of slaanesh model not looking like the one in the game
plush mason
there made my pfp my fav bioform
rose thorn
attempting to have an argument with a tryanid
plush mason
lol
rose thorn
"you see when all life is gone then you will have nothing"
"AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
plush mason
nah we will just move on to the next galaxy
rose thorn
what about the next galaxy when thats gone?
plush mason
like we did with the others we eat before we got here
rose thorn
then when all the other closest galaxies are gone
plush mason
what about the next galaxy when thats gone?
move on to the next
plush mason
then when all the other closest galaxies are gone
move on to the next
rose thorn
but then when those ones are gone
plush mason
then we sleep
plush mason
and while we are talkign about the nids. how exactly does the shadow over the warp work?
final spruce
Essentially its a byproduct? (not sure if its a willing effect or not) of the hivemind's communication with the nids it essentially creates a Warp blockus, Daemons cannot enter the realm as the layer between reality and Immaterium is thickened, psykers lose a lot of connection with the warp, thus blocking most of their powers and inducing fear, madness nightmares, unconsciousness etc.
And of course it stops warp travel
plush mason
so it goes everywhere they go
final spruce
Indeed
plush mason
final spruce
Oh, Luetin
plush mason
how does he rank in the lore video makers pantheon?
lost scarab
1000 leagues ahead of Arch.
lost scarab
Luetin and Baldermort are by far caliburs ahead.
But Majorkill has a comedy flair.
And gets the basic, essential plot points across.
lost scarab
But are easier to digest than 2 hour lore videos.
plush mason
true
placid timber
Also correction to me previous statement
final spruce
Oculus is pretty good
He isn't as prideful as Luetin and keeps things fairly short and consistent
lost scarab
He isn't as prideful as Luetin and keeps things fairly short and consistent
Pride, of passion, not arrogance.
final spruce
Pride, of passion, not arrogance.
Not if you're listened to his Necron video
placid timber
Id day luetins issues start with his audience instead of himself
Also
For fuck sake
Pleaee
Nobody
Try to call something cannon and concrete
And when people ask for source
You source a fucking BL book
storm jungle
40k’s canon is whatever the writers want tbh
The everything is canon thing is just a dumb statement in general
barren tapir
Reeeeeeeeee
lost scarab
Is that not true of all universes, crafted by their Gods?
plush mason
yeah 40k's canon is a bit of a rabbit hole it seems
final spruce
"a bit" is being quite generous
plush mason
lol
final spruce
But that's an issue that comes with an aging hobby, bloated story and GW's politic of "Everything is canon, nothing is true" which makes sure that Writers get their freedom
placid timber
Yea nothing is concrete and every writer makes something different with it
The problem is people read the books
And then go "yes this is how it works, 100%"
placid timber
oh so its not a rabbit hole its an entire rabbit city
Rat-topia if you will
lost scarab
At last, unity in passion.
signal hill
plush mason
lol
plush mason
so have the primaris fought the nids yet? battlesector not included
tender igloo
space marine 2
plush mason
that aint happend yet so 😛
barren tapir
so have the primaris fought the nids yet? battlesector not included
Yes, octarius
Also baal
Well, after baal if we are precise
plush mason
yeah thats where the battlesector game takes place
barren tapir
Also on the ultramar side of the galaxy, the scythes of the emperor got the primaris reinforcements and they still hunt nids
plush mason
did they really make a chapter just for hunting nids?
barren tapir
If we count firstborn that crossed the rubicon then we have the tyrannic war veterans lead by ortan cassius that are still hunting nids everywhere
barren tapir
did they really make a chapter just for hunting nids?
No, it was an older chapter that was nearly destroyed by nids though, and they became good at hunting nids
serene jungle
I hope in SM2
We get to see Leandros
ANd he hasn't even done the Primaris procedure
barren tapir
We get to see Leandros
*punch leandros
serene jungle
And we just get to shit on him
plush mason
i would ask how well they do in battle with the nids. but its the SMs they have the one armor the nids cant chew thru. plot armor
barren tapir
Maybe we will find his body
serene jungle
Or maybe we get to krump him dabbling in Chaos powers because he loses all faith in that we can't beat the Tyranids like the little bitch he is
barren tapir
Killed because instead of doing a full retreat he tried to do a fighting one like the codex astartes suggested
serene jungle
That would be the ultimate satisfaction
we get to krump him
but double justifiable
plush mason
funny enough i forgot leandros' name for a bit
and i just called him the idiot recruit
serene jungle
just call him Matt Wardian or something
plush mason
nah he doesnt deserve a name
plush mason
i would sooner name a gant
plush mason
i mean a nid gant
serene jungle
Ah yes, lets capture one just so we can call it Ibram
plush mason
lol
make it the tanith first and only mascot
iirc the nids wiped out their world so it would be both fitting and ironic
barren tapir
iirc the nids wiped out their world so it would be both fitting and ironic
Chaos, it was chaos
plush mason
oh
rose thorn
I am fucking shocked that there is no models for the Warsinger
or rules
They mash noise marines with fucking pykers and its fucking horrifying
they can make sound waves storng enough to fucking make terminators into dust
and they once played a song that inspired an entire village of unarmed civilians to fight back against an attacking group of world eaters
note it did not end well for the civilians
oh ites beasue they are fucking dead
meager gale
Yeah they’re all dead lol
rose thorn
that fucking sucks
plush mason
how they die?
meager gale
Yeah, it would be tight if they brought em back
rose thorn
life eater virus or what ever its caleld
plush mason
rip
rose thorn
Maybe they will comeback for the emperors children codex, I mean it’s probably not gonna happen for a solid 4 years but eh
plush mason
the life eater virus isnt something you normally come back from tho
cerulean wagon
lmao
storm jungle
Pfft
plush mason
lol
native surge
slow prawn
Fast and Furious movies are shit sorry
Wow Dilara, can you eat fermented fish? Because you have absolutely no taste
I’m kidding
slow prawn
Genuinely though, the worst part about about the movies seem to be Charlize Theron’s hair
Dreads
slow prawn
To a fucking bowl cut
slow prawn
And supposedly there’s going to be a spin of series about her
storm jungle
The fate of any milkable franchise
vast frigate
you mean Family
AYE I MEAN
ATLEAST HER PAULDRONS STAYED THE SAME OKAY
CONTINUITY PEOPLE
LORE
atomic pelican
Cars is the american epic, of course she does
cerulean wagon
cars is what americans strive to be
plush mason
lol
rotund siren
Everybody wants to be a car
plush mason
not me 😛
vast frigate
Everyone just wants to be a transformer
smoky mauve
To a fucking bowl cut
What did they doooo to herrrr? D:
karmic gulch
Who had the better tech:
Golden Age of Technology Humans(it ain't dark)
Or
Necrons (pre and post sleep)
atomic pelican
Necrons
Considering some necron tech borders on memelevels
Both old species(necrons and eldar) outdid Daot humanity in different fields
Necrons in traditional tech, Eldar in psyker tech most likely
Eldar also have some memetier tech its just not as readily available now since most of its like
In a crone world's pits or Commoragh in a garbage pile
plush mason
the necrons have tech that defies the known laws of physics so
plush mason
arch mechanicum ships can fire black holes
atomic pelican
But yeah, I think in comparing tech levels of the setting it helps to do it by category. Since theres like, 4 factions who read "This faction has the best tech!" As one of their selling points
Eldar, Necrons, Tau, and AdMech
errant mauve
DAoT humans were beginning the reach necron levels
but the Necrontyr had the benefit of time and not being 'umie brainlets on their side
atomic pelican
The way I handle this conflict is: Eldar besto psyker/biological.
Necrons best energy tech/traditional scifi tech
Tau best AI
Admech a well rounded mix of all.
plush mason
"lets build our whole sociaty off of robot slave labor. nothing could go wrong there."
atomic pelican
Oh for biological I'll maje one exception which is
Fabius bile is on haemonculi tier
errant mauve
The best example I can think of Necrons > DAoT is that the Necrons presleep had effectively perfected multi-dimensional travel.
plush mason
where do necrons port to when "killed"
errant mauve
And even post sleep they have multiple mundane, portable pieces of technology that freely manipulate the flow of space time
lofty storm
Tau harvest blackholes
I love them very much.
atomic pelican
One piece of broken tech lore I wish was resolved was
What the fuck happened to the eldar's AI
They kind of just poofd from the plot
At one point AI p much did all of the eldar's actual labor
plush mason
so just like DAOT humans
atomic pelican
Sort of but presumably eldar AI were like psychic familiars
Is what my guess would be
plush mason
i just meent in how they used them
lofty storm
At one point AI p much did all of the eldar's actual labor
Isn't this the plot to Death Stranding?
👁️
atomic pelican
Norman readus peeing pov
plush mason
atomic pelican
I wish we had a 30kesque game of eldar/krorks/necrons
See the true might of these 3 ancient foes
tender igloo
i think i've figured out what bugs me (no pun intended) about the tyranids. it's that they are so single minded (again no pun intended) that they come off as super boring. but if you try to give them more depth, you take away the mystique of the hive mind and ultimately ruin them as a whole
atomic pelican
Yeah its why cults are the better nid faction LMAO
Theyre allowed to have personality
Its also why Tiamet is the only hivefleet I like
It does smthing unique
plush mason
speaking of. what exactly was the pharos and why did the SM blow it up thus drawing the nids here?
tender igloo
think of the pharos device as a mini astronomicon
when they activated the device, it acted as a psychic lighthouse, drawing the tyranids in
the space marines had no idea this would happen
plush mason
why did they activate it?
errant mauve
speaking of. what exactly was the pharos and why did the SM blow it up thus draw...
The Pharos Beacon is a piece of DAOT is able to harness empathy to allow the user to find, communicate, or even teleport to a location they either consciously or subconsciously desired, without the use of the Warp. Instead of routing through the Warp, it connected two points directly within the Materium via quantum entanglement.
It was rediscovered by Barabas Dantioch and Alexis Polux during the Heresy, and was used by Guilliman to bring loyalist forces scattered by the Ruinstorm to the Imperium Secundus.
The beacon was overloaded and detonated by Dantioch during the battle of Sotha, to completely wipe out a force of 20,000 invading Night Lords, who wished to claim the beacon to try to find the Nightfall.
tl;dr a poorly written plot device used to retroactively explain something happening.
tender igloo
much like a lot of the horus heresy
errant mauve
Yes.
plush mason
lol
tender igloo
even though there is also a lot of good stuff in the horus heresy
errant mauve
The entire Imperium Secundus series is terribly written filler schlock.
tender igloo
the sad part is that was a really good concept ruined by bad writing
errant mauve
Word of advice, to not get a migraine when learning about the heresy, just read the Black Books instead of the novels.
Actually well written and edited books.
tender igloo
i mean, know no fear is a really good book i would recommend
lofty storm
I wish we had a 30kesque game of eldar/krorks/necrons
Yoooo. A Necrontyr/Ctan vs. Old Ones game.
THAT would be poppin'
atomic pelican
Yess
atomic pelican
I just wanna see busted pre-fall eldar on the tt
tender igloo
hire me GW
lofty storm
I'd love that a LOT
atomic pelican
A farseer equal would be like 400pts
errant mauve
I wish we had a 30kesque game of eldar/krorks/necrons
I agree with you 90% of the time but I don know bout this one 
plush mason
didnt gilliman the lion and sanquinius basicly pretend imperium secundus didnt happen after they learned the imperium and the emperor was still alive?
errant mauve
yes
atomic pelican
I agree with you 90% of the time but I don know bout this one <:pensive_cowboy:6...
plush mason
lol
atomic pelican
Its okay i dont actually care mucu abt that piece of old lore
tender igloo
but in the recent guy failey book godblight it was finally brought up again in the 42nd millenium
atomic pelican
I dont rlly want anymore overpriced FW games
errant mauve
<:divorce:918991030483828756>
I'm sorry but the last thing we need is Krorks and Old Ones
atomic pelican
Yee
errant mauve
rather than 2 new ones
plush mason
giant space toads
errant mauve
I have no need to combat someone who is already wrong.
lofty storm
I don't need to. Speaking such foolishness you've beaten yourself.
plush mason
lol
lofty storm
I have no need to combat someone who is already wrong.
BASED BROTHER
errant mauve
Mayo Jambo
🤝
battletoads rule
lofty storm
:PantsShitted:
tender igloo
excuse me while i go play turtles in time, a much better game
lofty storm
excuse me while i go play turtles in time, a much better game
It is AN EXCELLENT game.
No doubt.
Noooo
PAIN
lofty storm
Mayo Jambo
🤝
battletoads rule
lofty storm
Utterly destroyed.
errant mauve
here u go
errant mauve
lofty storm
I just saved and tried to post it.
errant mauve
Yup I've had that happen to me
lofty storm
YO. Is that the secret to embed failure? Explicit content?
errant mauve
could be
tender igloo
let me get all my other takes out of the way to make the whole disco hate me: eldar suck, drukhari are way cooler. space marines have always been cool just too much representation. chaos in 40k borders on being unnecessary.
plush mason
those arent bad takes tbh
lofty storm
Chaos is everything in 40k.
errant mauve
My turn to actually make the whole disc hate me:
lofty storm
Primaris Did Nothing Wrong.
errant mauve
Every single imperium faction has a Chaos/Xenos counterpart that is significantly cooler by a large margin.
plush mason
tis a fact
lofty storm
Every single imperium faction has a Chaos/Xenos counterpart that is significantl...
100% true.
errant mauve
I seem to be in the company of good taste
very well then
I retract my previous statement on controversy
lofty storm
Imperial Guardsman? Come see our Cultists or our Tau Fire Warriors.
Tau are the combination of Star Trek and 40k.
😎
Striving for that Utopian world.
tender igloo
Oh one more: like it or not, the imperium is the protagonist of the setting. So naturally a majority of stories will focus on them
atomic pelican
Hero
errant mauve
Oh one more: like it or not, the imperium is the protagonist of the setting. So ...
This is just a popular opinion
atomic pelican
Krieg pfp ignored
errant mauve
which I mean
not wrong
most novels are from the Imperial p[erspective
But that doesn't mean I can't call them dogwater protags
lofty storm
Oh one more: like it or not, the imperium is the protagonist of the setting. So ...
Nobody is surprised by this. It's how they try and make the stories more relatable from a writing perspective.
But then some writers can capture what it is like to be another race perfectly.
Like Gav Thorpe.
🌝
errant mauve
atomic pelican
tender igloo
He said the unholy name
lofty storm
LMFAO
plush mason
?
tender igloo
Gav is a notoriously bad writer in warhammer
atomic pelican
Im glad that even noneldar fans hate gav. He deserves it
Idk what crimes he has committed against others but
tender igloo
I'm totally not mad about end times still
errant mauve
?
He's a codex writer for GW that transitioned to writing novels for Warhammer fantasy/AOS and 40k. He did a good gig with WHFB high elves, which landed him a job writing 40k eldar, which he fucked up TERRIBLY.
lofty storm
I will say without Chaos the only factions that have any motivation or antagonist without them is Tyranids and Tau. Everyone else interacts with them, is fucked by or tries to fuck with Chaos.
atomic pelican
Eldar and Chaos are the best interaction, no I will not explain
lofty storm
So saying Chaos is unnecessary is like saying "I think 40K should not exist." And you are probably right.
lofty storm
Eldar and Chaos are the best interaction, no I will not explain
I'm excited to see what comes of the box set. The stories or whatever.
atomic pelican
Yees
tender igloo
I think you could write chaos out of the setting and not lose much
atomic pelican
Im actually getting excited for the ynnari which is hard for me
errant mauve
I think you could write chaos out of the setting and not lose much
You could write any faction out of the setting and lose little.
lofty storm
Depending on what's in the Box Set, if you don't want that Chaos portion let me know.
I may peep.
atomic pelican
Write the imperium out, the chaos and xenos shall inherit the earth
lofty storm
Exactly
atomic pelican
Depending on what's in the Box Set, if you don't want that Chaos portion let me ...
storm jungle
they are one of Warhammer's biggest stables
EVEN IF THEY WERE STOLEN FROM SOMEONE ELSE BUT COUGH
lofty storm
And the Chaos gods are hyper motivation for Eldar.
tender igloo
Let me also make this clear. I like chaos, I just don't think it's necessary
lofty storm
Necron legit hate anything warp related and try and build pylons to dampen it.
atomic pelican
Construct additional pylons
lofty storm
😎
I just want to know more about the Blackstone Fortresses.
Some actual fucking mystery in 40K.
tender igloo
It's a wonderful feeling knowing we can all go from hating each other to loving each other so quickly
lofty storm
Despite being a Krieg boy you are one of the only people that still keeps me in this Discord because I like you sharing your models with me. 🙏
Got to motivate the homies to keep painting.
Pile of shame no more.
Only Shelf of Pride.
tender igloo
It's just a profile picture from an artist I like. Nothing more
I prefer steel legion anyhow
tender igloo
I do like krieg, but they are not my favorite
errant mauve
I do like these "unpopular opinion" things so I'll list some of mine 
- Erebus is a great character
- Lamenters lore kind of sucks and they are incredibly overrated
- Iron Warriors being anti-chaos is incredibly stupid and overdone
- Minotaurs, Silver Skulls, Sons of the Phoenix, Carcharodons are all loyalist Geneseed
- Chaos is significantly more important to every Warhammer setting than all the factions combined
- Old-crons are cooler than New-crons
- The poster child for Imperial Guard should be the Necromunda Spiders, not Cadia, Krieg, or Armageddon
- Gaunt should die of old age
- Sanguinius is poorly written and mainly liked out of the meme
- No piece of writing will ever top the Badab War Imperial Armours
- You could make a stock blood angels character and place them in any legion and people will call them an excellently written character
- The Vulkan's artifacts plot line is stupid
- T'au ought to be associated with mechanized infantry, not mecha
- Sisters of Battle are obsolete and do not fill any niche in the current setting
- Custodes should never have gotten tabletop rules
- Primaris are the primary reason behind the current narrative gridlock
errant mauve
Cool =/= needing tabletop rules
odd tulip
also tau being mechanised inf was a thing in one edition... it was called fish of fury
AND NOBODY LIKED IT
tender igloo
custodes are also fun to play
errant mauve
Talons of the Emperor coming out literally completely fucked up an entire edition of 40k and the entire 30k mechjanics
tender igloo
no the rules team fucked it up
atomic pelican
Fucked up KT too 
tender igloo
not custodes themselves
errant mauve
odd tulip
custodes in KT are always either way too OP or completely useless
placid timber
Jeeeeezus
errant mauve
rules team fucked up custodes rules constantly
"why don't you want custodes on tabletop"
golly gee
odd tulip
in obj. gamemodes they suck mongo dick, but then in slapfights they wax ass
errant mauve
oh right
one more zinger
the Old Visions of Heresy era Custodes designs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bronze urinal heads of 7th
tender igloo
placid timber
How come in the one game of 40k my makari killed my oppenents custodies captain? Hmmm?!
atomic pelican
Makari busted no more invuln for u
errant mauve
🤤
atomic pelican
odd tulip
I liek terminators
placid timber
Makari busted no more invuln for u
He was literally all that was left on the table
errant mauve
I'm talking more about designs like these
lofty storm
@smoky mauve
errant mauve
lofty storm
THERE IT IS. THATS THE CAPE GUY YOU MADE
placid timber
He got two 6s to hit on the captain in 2 turns and fucking killed him
tender igloo
we are all now mortal enemies
smoky mauve
<@189262671462400000>
Niiiice lmao.
tender igloo
right back to the hating each other. the next loving each other will come later
odd tulip
I need someone to lubricate my shining golden abs
@lofty storm want to do a very homoerotic custodes oil session?
smoky mauve
With the holidays, I'm gonna finish up my stormcustodes. and at the VERY least, prime them <_<
tender igloo
@errant mauve we must now perform honor duel against each other. i'll get the slapping glove
tender igloo
errant mauve
tender igloo
we really are all like pub-goers. fist fighting each other one moment, and singing with each other the next
