40k-lore-chat

[odd sparrow]

yee u can just play coop vs ai in the mp, turn the difficulty up and use max funds and it's shockingly fun

[plush mason]

ohhh that

is it still peer to peer?

[odd sparrow]

prolly

i've not had issues with connection

[tender igloo]

spinfoil hat theory: GW actually loves xenos, they just don't know what to do with most of them

[storm jungle]

big doubt

THOUGH it is actually clear that some employees in the HQ love xenos

the problem is its the board that decides the main mini decisions

[peak hamlet]

They love them but trashtalk them in books and make only primaris minis so they can enjoy the xenos factions in peace while all the other randos play primaris marines

Ez

[storm jungle]

GW Boardmembers explaining that ignoring xenos in favor of marines is an understandable decision:

[final spruce]

[peak hamlet]

Long text scrapped: tldr gw got tons of xenos but keeps em for themselves

Prove me wrong

[meager gale]

I know your memeing but the onus is on you to provide your supporting evidence not us to prove a negative d:

[peak hamlet]

Wrong opinion, im always right, im the perfect individual

[meager gale]

It’s true

[tender igloo]

[plucky moth]

[meager gale]

I wish I could be half as cool as bobo

[peak hamlet]

I will grant u that wish

[tender igloo]

we can only aspire to be so perfect

[rose thorn]

Isn’t their a list of warcrimes tau have committed somewhere?

[peak hamlet]

No genvea convention, no warcrimes

[barren tapir]

Yes, but it is not well know

[prisma lark]

I don't know, "being a xenos" is probably a sufficient warcrime in the Imperium

the rest is just a bonus to justify sending bigger guns

[serene jungle]

I thought it was just a meme but there are people legitimately believing that we are playing as Uriel Ventris in SM2 and stand by it?

Even some of the 'warhammer youtubers' on their tweeturs want a Uriel Ventris mod (so they know it's Titus at least)

[final spruce]

Let them cope and seethe

[serene jungle]

But some legitimately believe it's Uriel and there's no changing their minds

I just don't know why they are so adamant about it

One of them would probably counter argue "why are you so adamant that it's some random guy named Titus?" I mean it's who you play in the first game in all literal sense of the words and they even said so in the Game Awards

And then copium kicks in

Reddit was a mistake

even jumped over to the VT reddit for memes and there's a bunch of weirder topics or mishmashings that makes no sense

God *Emperor am I secretly a masochist?

[final spruce]

Can't be Uriel Ventris because its the Second company that uses gold, I believe Uriel's use green aswell

[serene jungle]

He does, I even pointed this out

"Could be before he did it"

And it's like...

"But he's a literal primaris there, like what"

[final spruce]

Yeah obviously coping

[serene jungle]

Like

I know WH fans are stupidly misogynistic and bigoted at times

But are they actually this legitimately uh

Saying unintelligent is wrong but I just don't have a word for it other than dumb, which is sorta right but also wrong

I'm over here trying to cope and believe people aren't this dumb

[final spruce]

Nha its people that are sure they are right and then when you clearly show them theya re not they disagree, either ignoring you or jsut refusing your answer

[serene jungle]

It's like that guy who said we were all racist because we pointed out what we knew about what was confirmed for DT

[final spruce]

Obviously was a troll though

[serene jungle]

Was he though? he seemed like a Portuguese or some other hispanic speaking country and just had language barrier and didn't really understand what we were telling him

[final spruce]

Dunno why but people don't accept the fact that they can be wrong nowadays

Probably its not the first that happens

[serene jungle]

Gosh you're right, why else would twitter go up in fire about literally not wanting to look up entire contexts

[final spruce]

Hell sometimes I have the same issue where I can't manage to point out what I truly means because I don't master english

[serene jungle]

Understandable 😂 but gosh, the amount of people who believes we are playing Uriel isn't even a small amount though

They are obviously fans that came way after SM was released

[final spruce]

You'd be surprised how many people here give me shit for that

[serene jungle]

They do? 😂

I'd give shit to someone who is just 1-2 years into Warhammer, but refuses to see whats already established when pointed out

I mean ask away and make suggestions or theories but just don't throw arms up in the air if there's already something thats confirmed or can be directly quoted from a source/book, etc

[final spruce]

Well "established" is a big word for 40k

[serene jungle]

😂 true, everything is true in 40k and everything that isn't, is also true

[final spruce]

I hate it

[serene jungle]

So you can literally make anything up but not whats already set in stone by someone who is say, a respected writer

Ofc this doesn't apply to anything Ultramarines related so whatever

COUGH

[final spruce]

Dunno because evenr espected writers like Dan and ADB can pull out some terrible shit

Because if you listened to them, perpetuals are the true leaders of Humanity and Chaos Undivided doesn't exist

[serene jungle]

😂

I think the whole 'Chaos Undivided doesn't exist' is because of GW's penchant for wanting the said leaning factions to chant one name more than others

Which is seen heavily in games, I mean Relic went with World Eaters in Winter Assault specifically for this and they ok'd it, but didn't want to leave out promoting material for the other Chaosgods/factions/uniqueunittypes

So they kept on using Undivided

[final spruce]

I wouldn't agree because the main leader of Chaos Abaddon is for Chaos Undivided

It was clearly a choice of ADB

[serene jungle]

I mean you're not wrong and I'm not wrong either, it has to do with what is acceptable to promote and commercialize

Which is why Slaneesh constantly veered more towards extreme sensation and less about the hedonistic lifestyle

It's just easier to promote khorne more than others since it's the most PG friendly one

[final spruce]

Funnily enough not anymore

Since now its Nurgle time

[serene jungle]

Yeah because our views on whats cool has changed with the years

I mean a race of "fatties" wasn't cool back then but has creeped up as we keep being extremely oversaturated with Khorne stuff or simple mindless bloodlust

When I was young I did think the Khorne stuff was pretty great, but I thought all of it was great

Rubrik Marines are scary in the sense that they are just like automatons but there is something scary about it, just like Terminator (I guess that's why we got Necrons? but I don't find them scarier than a Rubrik)

Plague Marines are danking cool because they are walking tanks who are more than happy to return fire and come out on top, young me was like "oh so it's like a zombie but not but cool af"

Noise Marines I don't think needs an introduction, but they did become more like a sonic cannon alteration as years went by instead of the heavy metal they were

[cunning wigeon]

I know there was that one time when commander Farsight let a bunch of hungry Kroots peel open EMPed tanks like cans of food. Think it was said that no Tau watched the footage but him and it was so bad it's one of the things that made him question the greater good.

[serene jungle]

They are Kroots so I don't think I know what he expected

But it was probably from the perspective of

[cunning wigeon]

It was called the great devouring or something

[serene jungle]

If the Ethereals are okay with this, then how are we doing good if it's only okay for us, etc?

[cunning wigeon]

I think it's more that the people in the tanks never stood a chance so he probably felt he was killing people needlessly

[serene jungle]

I haven't read it so I'm more than happy to know if there's an excerpt on his thoughts

Hm, I'd need to know his thoughts on the matter but just from that snippet it seems more like a naïve way of thinking in a universe full of brutality and grimdark, with a race of hungry xenocarnivores

carnixenovores I think would be the better wording, lmao

[cunning wigeon]

It doesn't say his thoughts unfortunately but it mentions it was deemed too grisly to be aired on public channels by the ephereals but Farsight always wanted to know what he was giving orders for and it's mentioned he alone watched the footage multiple times

[serene jungle]

Unless he, ofc, was brought up in a way that supposedly inspired an actual Greater Good where anyone who willingly gives up is to be treated fairly in times of war, etc

And not lobotomized, etc

If he didn't know what he was giving orders for it's very much expected that something unspeakable will happen regardless

at least from our world* this is always expected, and dramatized in movies as if they didn't know or didn't expect such things to happen at all

You get an order you are kept in the dark for, you go through with it or you resign on the spot

No harm no foul, just expect that things will literally go sideways or something that will/can put strain on you if you do

So Farsight was just naïve then to begin with and believed everything the Ethereals did was right, so he became disillusioned by them afterwards

Which aligns quite right with him I'd say

[cunning wigeon]

yeah sounds fair, its weird too because after the imperium started retreating into space him and his cadre were encircling them to finish them off but were told not too by water cast diplomats. He doesnt like seeing people that cant fight back die one second then wants to kill people retreating the next

[serene jungle]

I mean yeah that's a weird contradiction

If we use irl logic we have the 'rules of warfare' and all those other things in place

Retreating enemies are to not be shot at unless they are retreating for tactical positioning or reinforcing

and can be best seen and understood by both sides if the weapon is abandoned on-sight

[cunning wigeon]

but by that point he already started nurturing a disdain for ephereals when they started putting scans of commander puretide into different fireblades to make them more strategic and intelligent, only to remove them at the end of the war leaving them half brain dead

[serene jungle]

So all I can see with the little context in this case is that he probably wanted to finish them off because the Imperium is a bit vast and they do have firepower, but are very much less likely to engage in talks with any xeno race*; So any retreat is a literal reinforcement

[cunning wigeon]

having fought the Orks and the Imperium he knew more about the way other races behaved than most of the ephereals anyway

[serene jungle]

That's opposite to being naïve though which doesn't fit the first narrative so

[cunning wigeon]

oh yeah spot on, because as soon as he was told they had accepted the Tau truce offer he called off the strike

[serene jungle]

Yeah no some were probably executed for making it back, lmao

and promptly replaced

I mean you can replace a crew but you can't replace the tech as easily

in the sense of 40k that is

[cunning wigeon]

The tech was the main thing the Tau were interested in, salvaging all of it, studying it, then saying compared to their stuff it was worthless and inferior

[serene jungle]

Kekt, that's great

We like to dramatize how old tech is inferior and worthless but we only learned how to innovate new things of today by looking at how the old inferior products were made with what was available

And then developing and finding new ways to create it further, based on how they did it back then

So if anything if they didn't brush off the technology and instead sought to understand how they developed to that point instead, they would have probably had an army of terminator-like suits

[cunning wigeon]

tbf it was seeing all the tech that led them to design the stormsurge which uh certainly does the job of killing knights

[serene jungle]

😂

[cunning wigeon]

and their railguns were the perfect weapons for killing space marines, because it killed that marine and prevented anymore space marines being made from them

[serene jungle]

That aligns at least

I bet they were upset about not collecting that geneseed

[cerulean wagon]

they also reverse engineered warp drives

it didnt go well, but it happened

[serene jungle]

They could have probably developed something from that 'failure' though, like a new grenade or weapon

[cunning wigeon]

then after that good ol farsight and his merry men went to take the Damocles gulph, did most of it successfully, then saw some orks and for the first time in tau history disobeyed orders from an ephereal

[serene jungle]

Because they thought Orkz could be reasoned with? 😂

[cunning wigeon]

nope, because Farsight had led the anti ork efforts before on behalf of the Tau empire and hates them for every comrade lost

like despises them

going out of his way to kill them

[serene jungle]

Oh right that part

I mean yeah he will absolutely ruin a orkz day that's for sure

[cunning wigeon]

he quickly learnt that the scorched earth policy was best for orks

[serene jungle]

https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1470363126440902661

IGN (@IGN)

Henry Cavill would like to be part of a Warhammer TV show or movie, should a live-action project ever happen. https://t.co/wukzmPdrMa

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[cunning wigeon]

using tau aircraft fuel to light the surface of planets ablaze

[serene jungle]

He better play Captain Titus

Poor greenskins

[gaunt vector]

honestly he should/could be a Primarch

[serene jungle]

I swear if they make him into a blueberry

or smurf rather

blueberries are taus I suppose

[smoky mauve]

Have him be the producer. That way you know itll be lore accurate

[serene jungle]

Right?

He should just be the producer, with a director who can just make the actors do it even better on top of this

[marsh grail]

My question is why did they believe that in the first place?

[ebon plinth]

well it was not that dumb to guess that titus got killed by the inquisition after getting caught

(I mean before we got the trailer)

some people want to defend their theories even when confronted with facts

[eternal ledge]

Welcome to modern Fandom

[vernal belfry]

Some people are cunts

[plucky moth]

• Australian proverb

[eternal ledge]

I mean it was a theory till SM2 got confirmed. It's like the whole Ensign Rodriguez being killed by Picard in season 2 of TNG for spilling hot chocolate on him since she never appeared after that

But she came back in Lower Decks as a Captain

[barren tapir]

I think if it was australian it would have been "all people are cunts, some are the good type, others the bad one"

Anyone know if a bolter can penetrate the canopy of a thunderhawk?

[cerulean wagon]

other than the fact the old devs had told us it was a trilogy following titus and that he very much didnt die

[cerulean wagon]

titus is a smurf tho

[barren tapir]

He was talking about henry cavill

[serene jungle]

Who shoved a finger into wards face, sure

[barren tapir]

I assume

[serene jungle]

But yes, I was talking about Cavill

[barren tapir]

BTW, how you doing Panda?

[cerulean wagon]

but u also said u wanted cavill to be titus

😩

[upbeat arch]

Casting cavill would be the hardest thing in the fuckin world

There's so many characters he can play

and once he gets chosen for one he can't play any others

if he gets cast as the emperor in a HH series, might as well not have cast him at all 😂

[crisp heath]

Cavill in Emperor...mmmh nah

[upbeat arch]

who u think he should play?

[eternal ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-custodes-pillar-men-gif-15519847

[crisp heath]

A Primarch or a Capitain

Captain General could be a good one

Or a Loyalist from Heretic Legion

[upbeat arch]

like whoms

Loken maybe?

Cavill as Loken and Jason Momoa as Torgaddon?

[crisp heath]

Nathaniel Garro for me

A SM who stay loyalist, drived crazy on Istvaan III ? and became one of the first Grey Knight

Cavill lowkey would make a great Valdor

[barren tapir]

He would be too emotional for being Valdor imo

[upbeat arch]

i could see him as garro

that role would give him longevity too so he could be present in 40k stories

how does cavill look shaved tho?

ok he can do it

[odd sparrow]

the fixation on cavill is creepy

[atomic pelican]

New Keanu chungus moments 100

[errant mauve]

Commissar Cain movie where Cavill plays Cain in flashbacks but Adam Sandler plays the actual Cain

[atomic pelican]

LMAO

PERFECT

[final spruce]

That'd be amazing lmao

[meager gale]

tbf, while i don't doubt that cavill is genuinely interested in 40k and witcher and all that other stuff i do think all his comments recently about wanting to be involved in stuff like mass effect, 40k, etc. is definitely his influenced by his PR's want for him to heavily lean into the 'conventionally attractive sexyman who's also actually a big geek' thing.

[final spruce]

He's been doing that for a while, I think he also posted pics about him building his own pc stuff like that

Like 2 years ago

[meager gale]

i didn't say this is a recent thing but it's not done in a vaccum either

[errant mauve]

Agreed! There's definitely a bit of a PR push, though I've got no doubt Cavill has genuine interest.

[final spruce]

Oh def

Gives him more reach than other people

[errant mauve]

They call me the Adam Sandler number 1 fan

[final spruce]

Especially those being more vocal about being cultists

[errant mauve]

I maintain that Adam Sandler is a great actor

[meager gale]

and i honestly hope he succeeds in getting future castings cause i would like to see sexyman do geeky things lol

[errant mauve]

Haha

More than fair lol

Sexyman doing geeky things is appealing

[crisp heath]

I wanna see like a 10 minute thing where Cavill plays an Executioner that survives the battle of Corcyra

[errant mauve]

Executioners fan spotted

[crisp heath]

I wanna see Cavill with a power axe just sunder a space shark

[errant mauve]

I don't want Cavill to play any astartes because I think they all should have lumpy potato faces

[crisp heath]

Except Fafnir Rann

[errant mauve]

I maintain

while I respect your opinion

[cerulean wagon]

especially fafnir ran

[errant mauve]

it is wrong

[crisp heath]

Thank you for respecting my opinion

[errant mauve]

No problemo

liking executioners makes you a king 👑

[crisp heath]

Honestly I just wanna see some space sharks die

[errant mauve]

I think it should be in animation form ngl

Most handsome IF geneseed receiver

[crisp heath]

Fair

[karmic gulch]

Just make all SM full cgi

[errant mauve]

Then again after seeing angels of blood

maybe not

[karmic gulch]

Angels of Blood looks good imo

They even had a dude who is just a skull

[errant mauve]

The design is fine imo

the animation...

not so much

[atomic pelican]

God I love poorly rendered marine wank

[crisp heath]

How can you have seen Astartes and like Angels of Death?

[atomic pelican]

uses DoW sounds

[errant mauve]

But how would they do astartes v astartes melee

I feel it would look a tad silly

[atomic pelican]

Atleast Astartes was well rendered marine wank

[crisp heath]

Although I will say I would've liked Angels of Death if it wasn't backed by big company

If it was just the one guy with little to no resources then dude it was fire

[errant mauve]

also fair

[crisp heath]

BUT Gw put its name on it and I assume they were gonna give or did give resources and pay and such and therefore should have been better

[errant mauve]

I feel like

if we were to do a Corcyra animation

you could use like lower frame rates for impact rates

I think that'd look cool

[crisp heath]

Maybe

Id have to see the effect but you might be on to something there

[errant mauve]

One thing is that I felt like the hits in Angels of Death didn't really have an impact

[atomic pelican]

T Posing Purestrains

[errant mauve]

Assert dominance on the false angels

[atomic pelican]

Cringe angels getting styled on even with their plot armor

[crisp heath]

Technically the Ultramarines are the false angels

[final spruce]

Recycled GSC assets aswell

Atleast its from Deathwing

Which explains why its better looking than the actual SMs

As poorly animated however

[atomic pelican]

WH+ release on good animation challenge(impossible)

I think that stormcast animation they showed pics of might actually be the first one

It seemed to actually have art direction

And maybe a actual studio

[errant mauve]

First good animaton
Its stormcast

[atomic pelican]

[errant mauve]

STOP TRYING TO MAKE ME A STORMCAST FAN GW IT AIN'T HAPPENING

[atomic pelican]

It Will

[plush mason]

lol

[atomic pelican]

Your ass is getting reforged

[errant mauve]

NOOOOOO MY ALLEGIANCE TO NAGASH THE SUPREME NECROMANCER, THE UNDYING KING, THE BLACK HARVESTER, REAPER-LORD, ELDER BONES, THE GRAVE GOD, TYRANT OF SOULS!!!!!!!

[atomic pelican]

[peak hamlet]

Imagine simping for big skeletons

[final spruce]

You simp for armour

[peak hamlet]

Yes

😎

[final spruce]

Then let people simp about skeletons

[peak hamlet]

Imagine not simping for armour

[peak hamlet]

Stawp

[crisp heath]

Yo stormcast are cool!

[peak hamlet]

Tomb kings got a sick egyptian aestatic going on and vampires with regular fantasy skeletons are sick too but nagash idk :(

[errant mauve]

Nagash is literally both those aesthetics though.

[peak hamlet]

That doesnt make it good

Took the bad parts of both

[errant mauve]

Nagash commands Nehekharan Units

[peak hamlet]

Also:

[errant mauve]

He also commands Vampire Counts units

[errant mauve]

Chad

[upbeat arch]

based

[errant mauve]

That model actually is also not that small

[peak hamlet]

Im not talking lore, im talking looks, hes acceptable but i dont vibe with him as much as i do with tomb kings/vampires

[crisp heath]

Cool model

Not enough lightning tho

[errant mauve]

Old-gash was 2x taller than a SM

[peak hamlet]

Yee

[errant mauve]

bad taste

[peak hamlet]

Old metal minis were sick

[errant mauve]

This will not be forgotten

[peak hamlet]

Wrong

[upbeat arch]

rude

[errant mauve]

Wrong

[peak hamlet]

Wrong

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-thunder-nature-gif-15472770

[peak hamlet]

I rest my case

[errant mauve]

Ok

But

Nagash can use the same units on tabletop?

[atomic pelican]

settra BTFO'd by nagash the chad

[crisp heath]

For me not really, i appreciate him but not as to be creepy XD

https://tenor.com/view/cthulhu-cthulhu-has-awakened-the-great-dreamer-zeus-lightning-gif-17660279

[peak hamlet]

Imma explode mayo >:C

[errant mauve]

Trolled

[peak hamlet]

Already told u i was talking looks not lore

[plush mason]

kekw

[peak hamlet]

Imma tear my limbs off in anger

[barren tapir]

Fast, someone enclose Hobo in an armour, this is gonna be fun i think

[errant mauve]

[peak hamlet]

Crimes against humanity will be committed

[crisp heath]

Bouta recruit all yall into stormcast

[errant mauve]

No

Nagash Superior

[crisp heath]

Time for the big ZAP

[errant mauve]

Nagashu Ackbar

[meager gale]

this mini goes hard

[peak hamlet]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammerfb/images/c/c8/Arkhan_the_Black_4thEdition.jpg/

Him

The man

[crisp heath]

Sigmar stole from Nagash once, he can do it again

[errant mauve]

Arkhan my beloved

The best homie

Greatest friend

[crisp heath]

Dies to elves

[errant mauve]

Most loyal bonechad

[peak hamlet]

I murder him every time i start a respanse de lyonesse champaign 😀

[barren tapir]

Isn't arkhan, like, immortal? Because no matter what, nagash the hat fetishist, always bring back?

[crisp heath]

Yes but he recently died to Eltherion

[barren tapir]

Yeah, i was referring to that

He got yeeted from the plane into the light

[errant mauve]

Yeah Arkhan is gonna come back

[barren tapir]

But i know nagash was already bringing him back

[errant mauve]

Confirmed in a bunch of other GA Death stuff

[crisp heath]

Can't wait for a wood elf to yet Arkhan in to the jaws of a godbeast this time

[errant mauve]

playing Repanse instead of Arkhan

I must bruh this

[crisp heath]

Gotta agree with Mayo here

[peak hamlet]

Tfw fantasy egyptians got more drip than actual historical egyptians

[crisp heath]

Coulda played literally anyone else

[peak hamlet]

Imagine not playing french

[errant mauve]

Never thought Bobo would side with the Fantasy French

For shame

[errant mauve]

I could literally play as the Egyptian Master Necromancer who can summon laser vision mechs like a neighbourhood down.

[peak hamlet]

Fantasy 16th century hre > fantasy 14th century french > fantasy lizard aztecs > tomb kings > anything else

[crisp heath]

take her french accent J'ai accourue aussi vite pour Jeanne de Lyonesse !

[errant mauve]

Or I could play as man on horse

[peak hamlet]

Actually reverse lizardmen and bretonia, i just love me lizard bois

[crisp heath]

Chad ogres soon

Then I will play none other

[peak hamlet]

Also love the casket of souls

[errant mauve]

les bretonniens peuvent sentir mon cul osseux

[crisp heath]

Dear god

[peak hamlet]

My french sux

Alas

[crisp heath]

No voice in my ears but the maw

I'm french XD

[peak hamlet]

Based

[errant mauve]

I learnt french in school but it's not so good

So apologies if I did something wrong

[crisp heath]

We relish the sound of it's call

[peak hamlet]

Opinions on merging france and germany into a single country?

[errant mauve]

However

[peak hamlet]

Saem 💀

[errant mauve]

The Bretonnians can nonetheless smell my boney ass

[peak hamlet]

Wrong reply

[errant mauve]

Tomb Kings for life

[crisp heath]

France and Germany can be merged in to the mawpot

[peak hamlet]

Opinions on merging france and germany into a single country?

[upbeat arch]

Guys

I got a lore question

[crisp heath]

Shoot

[upbeat arch]

Sorry to interrupt

In flight of the eisenstein, how does the gellar shield go down?

[errant mauve]

No problem we're just taking the piss anyways

[final spruce]

Nah I live in the previously conquered departments and its full of neo nazis

[peak hamlet]

Skinny bone ass <<<<<<<< thicc fantasy french ass

[peak hamlet]

Oof

[crisp heath]

No no, your right, that cool

[upbeat arch]

I was playing a game and missed how that happened

[crisp heath]

Doesn't that one guy turn it off?

[final spruce]

Also @errant mauve That was a good translation

[errant mauve]

I will make a thiccer bone construct

[crisp heath]

The possessed guy

[peak hamlet]

Cant cope with fantasy joan d'arc

Sneedcope

Mald even

[crisp heath]

Well he becomes possessed

[upbeat arch]

Were there even gellar shields in 30k? There had to be right?

[errant mauve]

Can't cope with Fantasy Timur
Copesneed
Seethe even

[crisp heath]

Fantasy Joan of Arc goes into the mawpot

[peak hamlet]

Seethed cuz no dummy thicc swordlady

[crisp heath]

There definitely is

[errant mauve]

Mald cuz no epic ivory constructs

[peak hamlet]

Only got rotten mummy lady

(Based tbf tho)

I like her, kinda twisted tho. Idk. Shouldnt be appealing at all, yet somehow is. Shoot me

[errant mauve]

Legendary darktide battle

Egypt simp vs France simp

Who will prevail?

[peak hamlet]

I simp fantasy egyptians too, fantasy french just slap more

[errant mauve]

Me but other way around

[peak hamlet]

Death

[errant mauve]

But I am an immortal lich

I cannot die

[peak hamlet]

Also casket of souls my beloved

[errant mauve]

I love the casket

It's so cool

[crisp heath]

Snack on any man any beast

[peak hamlet]

I will find a way

[errant mauve]

You can kill me by getting me to die of cringe after seeing Cringetonnians

[peak hamlet]

Yes, custodians are cringe indeed 😎

[errant mauve]

They are

So

Not wrong

[crisp heath]

Yall continue to be wrong

[peak hamlet]

Tfw

[errant mauve]

Me with the Warsphinx

I want to get one to have my Arkhan to ride around in

But it is like 1 gorillion dollars on eBay

[peak hamlet]

😭

Lemme timetravel and buy gw shit for cheap

Also gib

Also ngl they had some really goofy shit

[atomic pelican]

Hideous FW models my beloved

[errant mauve]

I had the catapult!!

[eternal ledge]

I wanted to do the Sphinx Defiler conversion I saw years ago. But to get the sphinx parts are too much

[errant mauve]

It does look very goofy

Can confirm

[peak hamlet]

!! U still got it?

[errant mauve]

Yes

In da attic

[peak hamlet]

Based

Got pics by any chance? 👀

[errant mauve]

Will take in a bit

At work rn

[peak hamlet]

Fair

Will slep in a bit tho, gonna have a look tomorrows

Also le gw catalogue http://www.solegends.com/citcat2006/index.htm

Idk really helpful for finding old shit sometimes

[errant mauve]

Gn Bobo

Have a good schleep

[odd sparrow]

bring back melee bone giants when

[cunning wigeon]

It's only right to simp the absolute kings that are Katakros and Nagash

The biggest chads

Oops sorry for the @ thought I turned it off

[plush mason]

oh shit when did this fight happen?

[upbeat arch]

a while ago

guilliman got his throat slit open

[plush mason]

rip

did he survive?

[errant mauve]

Its the reason he was in stasis for so long

[plush mason]

ohhhh

wait this image cant be that

[errant mauve]

yeah its fan art

[plush mason]

as he has big e's sword

[errant mauve]

But Big G fought Fulgrim sometime m32? iirc

throat slit

chair sit

stasis

[plush mason]

oh its fan art. so i guess they messed up on that front

[errant mauve]

yurp

its nice art though

[plush mason]

yeah

btw what weapons did guiliman use in the heresy?

i know he had the fist of mecragg but what else

[errant mauve]

he had the gladius incantor

hand of dominion

arbitrator (combibolter)

armour of reason

[plush mason]

his armor is called the armor of reason?

[errant mauve]

His armour during the heresy

yup

[plush mason]

what does he wear now?

[final spruce]

The one that resurrected him

[errant mauve]

Armour of Fate

[final spruce]

That gives him the mobility of a battlebarge

[rose thorn]

pog

i believe sometime near that battle he also killed whats his name of the iron hands

[vast frigate]

his dead was

highly exaggerated

[upbeat arch]

Different battle, im sorry to say. Ferrus Manus died on Istvaan V

[rose thorn]

Im pretty sure even iron hands players dont know their primarchs name

[upbeat arch]

Not sure what battle Guilliman got his throat slit but it was a while later, when Fulgrim was fully snakey

[upbeat arch]

Oh god i hope they would considering ‘Ferrus Manus’ translates to literally ‘Iron Hands’

[supple plume]

latin is a dead language

[rose thorn]

matches the primarchs IG

[upbeat arch]

Latin is a dead language yeah, but we still use it for names

[plush mason]

the point being very few people today know any bit of latin

hell the only real use of latin today is in scientific names that most people have never even heared let alone use

[scenic bolt]

legal profession is also huge on latin

but again very specific professional use that laymen dont know

[plush mason]

purely to add extra confussion and complication to the whole prosses

[scenic bolt]

there's been pushes now and again to ditch it

[plush mason]

yup

[scenic bolt]

but esp in nations that use precedent the old cases would be unintelligible without knowing definitions

[plush mason]

you can go back and rewrite all of them

[scenic bolt]

it's kinda like the US ditching imperial units, they can but they likely wont

[plush mason]

but it would be a massive task

the point remains that latin is a dead language and serves no true purpose today. other than to complicate matters

[tame fiber]

Try studying medicine without latin. I like it's presence in 40k, it's just because of theology like in reality.

[plush mason]

and thats exactlly why i feel it shouldnt be present irl

it should only be a part of history and only learned to read history. not be in active use

[tame fiber]

Academics just like it too much for now I guess, still preferable to slang.

[barren tapir]

What kind of heresy is this?!

[barren tapir]

This is objectively wrong, i met people who talked in latin just so i couldn't understand them, those pricks...

[barren tapir]

Wrong, the vatican has it as official language, and they still use it on daily basis

Although, truth be told, there are differences between old latin (which getting revived) and church latin

[signal hill]

Imo that the church uses it is enough reason to abolish latin

[barren tapir]

:C

I hate the church too, but latin isn't the church, nor it is owned by it

Like a lot of other things...

[signal hill]

Fair enough
Abolish the church instead :P

[barren tapir]

Yo mate, i'm in!

My dream is to see all churches being transformed either into a museum or a library

Churches or temples

[plush mason]

same

[supple plume]

Abolish religion as a whole

It's the bane of progress

Tell me something that religion has done to benefit mankind

For I can not see any

[eternal ledge]

Easy there Big E

[odd sparrow]

ah yes

more r/atheism

[storm jungle]

Isnt the only purpose of religion to be a coping mechanism

not that i dislike it, i just dont know much about it to say much lol

brain smooth

[peak hamlet]

I dont think religion is neccessary at this point too but it def had its role in history

[supple plume]

At least I'm not indoctrinated by a system that puts people in boxes and creates seperatism

[dusk widget]

Gives people hope when all hope seems lost, in dire times.

[storm jungle]

Sad.

[dusk widget]

People make religion bad.

[storm jungle]

Yeah this too LMAO

[odd sparrow]

all religion is is an approach to explaining immaterial stuff. My friends could pose a more concise argument abt it but arguing that it's fundamentally some ~backwards antiquated thing that holds back humanity~ is p weak, and runs off the assumption that being areligious has them be like

~bastions of logic who don't believe in anything immaterial~

[storm jungle]

40k's big thing is also ridiculing religion as a concept too, its just not as upfront about it since it'd be a bit bad for marketing lmao

its why the imperium is so catholic

[odd sparrow]

which is inherently bullshit lol and is a large part of why there's a militant atheist to fash pipeline

[storm jungle]

Also Big E moment

he probably founded r/atheism

[odd sparrow]

probably tbh

and then proceeded to not change at all for the next 28k years

[storm jungle]

i hate that its exactly what he'd do

"Fuck, these people wont listen to my ramblings on the internet."

[odd sparrow]

But yeah I can accept arguments vs institutionalised religion, cus that's p much just a political entity utilising x spiritual tradition to leverage influence, but just condemning religion as a whole gets you with some weird cans of worms

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

like i wouldnt really miss religion if it was gone but i wont preach for it to be removed either

in the end as long as it doesnt affect me/gets shoved in my face i dont care

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/794385538336817152.gif?size=96

[odd sparrow]

tl;dr don't be a cunt or apocalypse raving weirdo abt it and it's fine™️

i would sacrifice so many goats if it meant evangelicalism just ceased to exist

[storm jungle]

or having a riot because some dude moved an old ass ladder on a religious building's window

[odd sparrow]

actually just the whole missionary culture

kill it

[odd sparrow]

god i remember that

[storm jungle]

HAHA

[odd sparrow]

it was in Jerusalem right?

[storm jungle]

YES

god people are so mindless

[odd sparrow]

where there's some weird legal things surrounding the different religious bodies with authority over the area

so you end up with the Immovable Ladder

[storm jungle]

The best part is how i love it was probably left by some cleaner that died decades ago

and somehow its holy

my poor dude

[odd sparrow]

the cult of the holy ladder

the cleaner is like the virgin mary

[storm jungle]

🙏

[odd sparrow]

what wood is it made out of? that is now the holy tree

[eternal ledge]

Lol

Actually is some weird joint authority thing with the building between Christians, Jews, and Islam. They all have to agree on any changes done to the building.

Apparently one had the window repaired without the other two's notice

So it started an argument. And the carpenter was forced to stop and he left the ladder thinking he'd be back in a few days

Years go by, he dies, and all three are still arguing about it

I think it comes down to one just trolling the other two for the last 500 years

[plush mason]

actully religion is only a matter of the immaterial in the modern day. it was historicly the bastion of all logic now a days we have better systems for that

[eternal ledge]

Yeah back in the day they were all about funding science and astronomy

[odd sparrow]

Idk what the argument is here

[plush mason]

that religion today no longer serves its original purpose and cant

[barren tapir]

Yes

[plush mason]

it is now yes

and even that is a fading trend

[barren tapir]

Which is funny since fash as always been highly religious, so if an anti religious person is also a fash it means they have no idea about one, or maybe even both, those ideologies

[peak hamlet]

Fashism works without religion

[barren tapir]

Saved, this is gold

[peak hamlet]

I doubt anybody on earth would link nazis to christianity

[barren tapir]

That is because many people ignore the links that were there, ignorance is the problem

[plush mason]

have you heard of the nazi bible?

the nazis ruled a mostly christian people so they had to be largely christian to ensure order

barring the SS neo paganism the majority of the nazi party was a religious as needs be

[barren tapir]

Nazi and fascist regimes both had allegiances with the church, we can argue on the reason of the existence of such allegiances but not on their existence

[plush mason]

agreed

also the nazi party itself was a form of religion

being the cult of hitler

[barren tapir]

It can work, but most of the times it is religious because religion help with the goal of fascism, which is to be an authoritarian and totalitarian regime

[plush mason]

there has never been a truely seculor nation in all of human history

[peak hamlet]

Ah yes christianity = nazis, well played

[plush mason]

no

[barren tapir]

The original purpose was to explain what you didn't knew and scared the shit of of you, it stopped serving this purpose the moment people started to observe the world and tried to understand it

[barren tapir]

I have no idea how you ended up with this conclusion

[supple plume]

So one religion can dissappear but another not... that bs 😒

[plush mason]

heh

[barren tapir]

Eh, we have to start from somewhere

[supple plume]

Why not kill the youngest first

[barren tapir]

WTH?!

[plush mason]

evangelicalism is little more than a political party at this point

[supple plume]

Kill the youngest religion first

[barren tapir]

Ah, the youngest religion i assume

[plush mason]

cuz the youngest has a hope of being relivent unlike the oldest

[barren tapir]

I'm not well versed on evangelicalism tbh

So i cannot speak on it

[plush mason]

in america its just another way to say conservative republican

[supple plume]

So you tell me evangelicalism is political... what about sharia

[plush mason]

that is too

[barren tapir]

Uhm... Maybe we should leave the topic for now

[plush mason]

yeah i agree

it might become heated

[barren tapir]

This might be going into the "controversial topic" that rules forbid

[supple plume]

Let's get back to lore chat

[plush mason]

yes

[supple plume]

Cause this can only end bad

Religion is bad sometimes ....

[barren tapir]

I have a question that still haven't been asnwered:
Anyone know if a bolter can penetrate the canopy of a thunderhawk?

[storm jungle]

Not mostly no

[barren tapir]

Both old bolter and bolt rifle btw

[storm jungle]

you gotta hit the same spot like 10 times to probably even make a hole

[plush mason]

given that those things are litterally flying tanks ima say no

[barren tapir]

Interesting... But they can penetrate SM power armours quite reliably right?

[storm jungle]

Bolt weapons?

[barren tapir]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Kinda? Its inconsistent af

like sometimes it takes a few shots sometimes an entire mag

[barren tapir]

Bolter and bolter rifle especially

[plush mason]

SM power armor is made of cerimite not the heavy metels of the thunderhawk so

cerimite is a balistic ceramic

[peak hamlet]

So in case you didnt understand me correctly. The fact that most ppl at that time were christians doesnt mean that christianity is responsible in any way. Its easy to blame it for anything but christianity at its core is not harmfull. There will always be ppl who turn religion into an excuse for terrible things (taliban, isis, ect) but the nazis did it without religion. Yes christianity was very big around that time and a lil powerfull too so the nazis took care of that. The mass murder of millions had nothing to do with christianity. Also cults=/= religion either

[barren tapir]

Do you know if bolter and bolt rifles can penetrate easily SM armours Hobo?

[peak hamlet]

Also thats just a gw moment, either they pen with the first hit or they dont. Have fun hitting the same spot that often. Armour thicness, angle of impact, range, type of projectile ect would play into it

[barren tapir]

So i guess the answer is: it depend

[plush mason]

like with all armor yes

[barren tapir]

Good

[peak hamlet]

On the author mostly

[plush mason]

its about where you get hit and by what more than anything

[barren tapir]

Well, at least the info about bolters

And how much they are incoherent

[plush mason]

the fact i have had to argue the fact that bolters are gyro rockets and not bullets says a lot about said incoherence lol

[peak hamlet]

Tho general rule that is kinda consistent: marine helmets can be penetrated due to them being super thin, pauldrons never can because gw made them thiccer than the torso protection for some reason

[barren tapir]

Oooohhh, this is actually good info

Maybe if a didn't skip SM lore days i would have know

[peak hamlet]

By bolters at least

Tho glancing hits obvs wont pen helmets either but there we have angle of impact again

[plush mason]

iirc its so they can use the pauldrons as a stock for their bolters

[peak hamlet]

Stock?

How

[plush mason]

they rest the butt of it aginst the pauldron when they ADS

[peak hamlet]

Ah lol

Yee thats dumb kinda

[plush mason]

yeah

[barren tapir]

First time i see this reason behind pauldrons acting that way

[odd sparrow]

religion def isn't endemic to fascism

[barren tapir]

I always went with "pauldrons big because when shooting you are mostly showing your side, so pauldrons being on the side need to be big and tanky to protect", similar on why tau warriors have one big pauldron

[odd sparrow]

usually fash romanticised worldviews used to justify their shit comes from race

or some other madeup nonsense, take ur pick

fash types in america love religion cus evangelism and right wing religious circlejerks exist but

[plush mason]

in my head canon that is the idea and the whole "using it as a stock" was something the SMs found out worked so they didnt need a stock on their bolters

[barren tapir]

I knew it was because their gauntlets absorbed all the recoil, and i never saw a SM using their pauldrons as stock, nor placing the bolter near

And tbf, fan made art with bolter with real stocks worked extremely well and was amazing

[plush mason]

said fan art would need to scale the pauldrons down tho

[barren tapir]

Some did, some didn't and was still fine

[plush mason]

that would have to be a short stock

it could still work mind you

also how does the gene code lock work on the bolter?

[barren tapir]

It was long enough to reach the pauldron while the forearm was bended... Now that i think of, how can they put the bolter near the pauldron to use it as stock if they are limited by their forearm?

[barren tapir]

It "syncronize" with SM power armour gauntlets afaik

[plush mason]

thought so

[barren tapir]

They same as why when they have optics they still keep shooting from the hip or from the standard position, they have the reticule in the helmet's visor

[plush mason]

like this

[barren tapir]

Which must make a funny scene when they get EMPed by taus

[peak hamlet]

Yush

Their power armour absorbs the recoil without using dem pauldrons

[barren tapir]

At surface make sense, but the pauldron is made to absorb kinetic energy toward the inside, not the outside

[peak hamlet]

Also there is a visible gap between the gun and the pauldron

[barren tapir]

I think that doing that would throw the pauldron off

I mean, after all they need to change pauldrons, so there must be a way to remove them, and i think that pushing out would work, since their job is to resist forces that push inward

[plush mason]

given that their armor is welded shut when they put it on its likely the pauldrons have to be deconstructed to remove

[barren tapir]

I would say that such thing would be too dumb, but it is the imperium we are talking about

I don't think they weld it though

[upbeat arch]

Guys

Why cant the primarchs see the eye of terror?

I dont understand

[plush mason]

didnt it expand and rip the galaxy in half?

btw

please tell me the story of cato using a necron pylon as a baseball bat is just a fan fic

[barren tapir]

What do you mean? They can, and one in particular could always see it, no matter in which part of the galaxy he was

[peak hamlet]

Yee they dont

Well depends on author i guess but i never read about any welding involved

[plush mason]

i was told its a bit like the intro to SC2 wings of liberty

[storm jungle]

Because thats his kryptonite thingy

every primarch has some weakness/curse

[barren tapir]

Well, then they should have also told you that that intro isn't how terran marines have their armour too

[peak hamlet]

Also please dont try to bring logic into putting on 40k armour

[storm jungle]

Also because its the galaxy and its kinda far away

same as how we cant see Mars

etc

[upbeat arch]

Oh ok

Did big E just tell them “dont go over there”

[plush mason]

i think sealing yourself into your power armor is about as illogical as it gets lol so we are good on that front 😛

[supple plume]

I just wonder which loyalist primarch makes a return next

[storm jungle]

Lion

[peak hamlet]

Like how is that breastplate connected? Just resting everything on his shoulders? Gud idea gw, very smart

[storm jungle]

we know where he is

[peak hamlet]

Also totally bearable

[storm jungle]

and it makes sense from a marketing point

Russ is also pretty likely because Wolf fans make good money

[upbeat arch]

I like the fantheory that lion’s been alive the whole time and directing the fallen to do cool shit

[plush mason]

i can see the weld line....

[peak hamlet]

Same with legs. Just glued to their rubbery suit? Def good idea

[barren tapir]

And we could also imagine why he return, to scream at guillman, at the ecclesiarchy, and more importantly, at luther

[odd sparrow]

feature

[peak hamlet]

I dont, also that doesnt answer my question

But yeah tldr 40k armour doesnt make sense

Also it exposes way more than it has to

[barren tapir]

SM armour doesn't make sense*

[plush mason]

the long line under the 3 slits is a weld line so the chestplate is welded to the back it seems

[odd sparrow]

this is a good thing

[upbeat arch]

Yeah but it look cool as shit

[odd sparrow]

it makes marine homicide easier

[peak hamlet]

No i meant that entire thing. You obvs have the exact same problem with the backplate

Also there is literally a gap

[barren tapir]

I don't think it is a weld line, since there is no signal of weld material, i think it is interlocking

[plush mason]

oh yeah it is

so its likely some kind of sup structure the armor is connected to

[peak hamlet]

This is a weld line lol

[barren tapir]

Do you know how fallout 4 do power armours? Yeah, something like that i bet

[plush mason]

a skeletal frame with the armor over top iirc

[barren tapir]

No need to flex your superior german engineering knowledge Hobo ||/J||

[peak hamlet]

I have zero engineering knowledge blank 💀

[barren tapir]

Exactly, although it wasn't a simple skeletal fram, it had also rubber thing to places that cannot have plates

[storm jungle]

Im gonna go take a shower but if this armor chat is still continuing once im back ill scream.

[plush mason]

lol

[barren tapir]

Uhm...

[plush mason]

oddly enough this convo has made the SM armor better to me

[peak hamlet]

Ping us when ur done so we can continue

[plush mason]

i still hate the design of the armor but its clearly not as inpractical and outlandish as i thought

[peak hamlet]

The pinnacle of body armour right there

[upbeat arch]

How often you think space marines shower?

[peak hamlet]

They dont

Absolutely never

[plush mason]

depends on the chapter

[peak hamlet]

They are stinky af and its canon

[plush mason]

im sure the pretty marines do a lot

[upbeat arch]

Im reading a book where a Night Lord refuses to clean his armor cuz hes sad and the whole thing has turned crusty brown from all of the blood

[barren tapir]

Lol, to think that in one pattern they actually stated that they had to protect the abdomen part because cables and weak spot... And now this...

[peak hamlet]

God i hate it so much

[barren tapir]

Someone is gonna get stabbed in the abdomen i guarantee it

[odd sparrow]

i doubt they even have the capability to smell BO tbh

isn't useful

[plush mason]

wait @peak hamlet is the helmet really thin?

[peak hamlet]

"Yooo to show we are sneaky we expose important organs"

[barren tapir]

Smell BO?

[odd sparrow]

hey maybe the weird undersuit thing is also strong idk

[peak hamlet]

It is, compared to the rest of the armour it is

[odd sparrow]

body odour

[barren tapir]

Oh, no, they can, they use it to smell the fear of enemies

And this is actually canon btw

[odd sparrow]

that's awful

[plush mason]

annnnnd i hate it again. the helmet should be the thickest part never the thinest

[barren tapir]

Those are SM

[peak hamlet]

Their weird undersuit is skintight, lets no air escape: Otherwise their enemies would smell em from miles away

[peak hamlet]

I mean there is a limit to how thicc u can make it

[plush mason]

oh i know

[barren tapir]

People don't go for headshot most of the time, but for the centre of mass

[peak hamlet]

And since its a small, hard to hit target it doesnt really matter either

[plush mason]

but they should have put the thickness in the hemlet and made the pauldrons normal sized

[peak hamlet]

The main reason modern soldiers protect their bodies, not their faces. Just not worth it

[barren tapir]

The fact that an helmet has to be the thickest part of an armour is just some thing that videogames made up, because in videogames headshot do more damage, but in reality the torso is the main target

[plush mason]

i now see why most SM leaders go bear headed

[peak hamlet]

Yee exactly

[peak hamlet]

Hah it kinda makes sense but also it really doesnt because they got important optics and stuff on their helmets

[barren tapir]

Also if you get something to your face strong enough to penetrate the helmet the problem go to the neck, since that force need to go somewhere

[plush mason]

actully its a historic fact. a knights helmet was the thickest single part of his armor. to prevent head blows being fatal

[peak hamlet]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Helm_for_the_Joust_of_Peace_(Stechhelm)_MET_DP271142.jpg/800px-Helm_for_the_Joust_of_Peace_(Stechhelm)_MET_DP271142.jpg

Heh

[barren tapir]

Oh, on this i can call the expert, @peak hamlet , would you say that the helmet was always the thickest part of the armour or just with the tournament ones?

[odd sparrow]

lapp hours

[peak hamlet]

Melee got way different priorities compared to modern combat tho

Not comparable imo

[barren tapir]

Well, this is a different kind of helmet compared to the SM ones

[plush mason]

yeah and what do SMs spend a lot of time in?

[peak hamlet]

Its bolted to your breastplate to prevent snapping ur neck

[barren tapir]

The same can be said for SM helmets though?

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/2o2BbWks-m8

[barren tapir]

Oh, i was wondering how much time you would have taken to shower lol

[plush mason]

ah well atleast it makes the fact SM leaders dont wear helemts logical

[peak hamlet]

No you dont get my point, if you try to add realism to 40k you are going to go insane. If you say "protect hed cuz melee" that doesnt translate well to logic and reason since 40k is (if you add logic) mainly ranged combat

[odd sparrow]

MY GOD

[barren tapir]

Because there was the real possibility to get you scream Dilara

[plush mason]

if the helmet is worthless why wear it

[peak hamlet]

Quick shower

[odd sparrow]

WHAT'S AGE RESTRICTED ABOUT KEEMSTAR SCREAMING

i hate this site

[peak hamlet]

Uhh no?

[barren tapir]

Exactly, an SM helmet would discharge the force of an impact on the neck

[peak hamlet]

Marines can still move their helmet around, it isnt bolted to their breastplate and allows head movement

[peak hamlet]

Oh got u wrong then

[storm jungle]

okay so

@odd sparrow what is going on

is it all about a goddamn helmet

[odd sparrow]

i have honestly no idea

[storm jungle]

same

[barren tapir]

Maybe i just worded myself badly, it happen quite often to me

[plush mason]

same

[peak hamlet]

We just talkin dilly, no need to interact with us :c

[storm jungle]

I will tho

actual nvm new Adeptus Ridiculous episode 👀

IM OFF

[barren tapir]

Well, i think we just finished the debate

[peak hamlet]

Dont complain then >:c

[barren tapir]

Just in time with get your scream

[peak hamlet]

Also counter argument

[plush mason]

i so want to watch his videos. but i have like a 12 min attention span so i cant :c

[storm jungle]

I mean just do it

just be warned tho its not the best source

its like if the lexicanum was cut down by pages

[barren tapir]

Nice fan art though

[peak hamlet]

The neck thingy some marines got is smart for what they got, i grant u that. It really is

[plush mason]

i know he made doge vandire so 😛

[barren tapir]

It was made after some died because shrapnel went up from their neck into the helmet iirc, it was the last pattern before the primaris one

[plush mason]

its the only one i like due to the fact the shoulders are a reasonable size

and the armored collar is the only design choice i approve on on SM armor

[peak hamlet]

Could also have been a regular projectile tbh, the neck is important

Since bleeding out aint fun

[plush mason]

SMs cant tho

[peak hamlet]

Oh right forgot marines got memeblood™️

[barren tapir]

Larraman thing iirc

[peak hamlet]

God thats so fucking dumb they would get thromboses 24/7

[plush mason]

its warhammer 40k

btw. didnt malcador tell the emperor to make the primarchs women?

and if so why

[peak hamlet]

More like why not

Oh right cuz marines only male loregibberishidknerdhobbyiguess

[plush mason]

for starters female genome is more stable than male genome

lacking the mutation prone Y cromozon

[peak hamlet]

For starters 40k is a nerd hobby, they tried female space mariens early on, ppl didnt buy them cuz no women in my manly hobby pls so gw just went with it and later on made up lore on why female marines dont work*

[plush mason]

hell all they have to do is say the Y cromozon is needed for the gene modding and that would be that

[plush mason]

and then they gave us the SOB which are basicly female SMs so it dont matter 😛

[storm jungle]

Eh SoB arent really like Marines in any way

aside from both wearing power armor

[plush mason]

i know its just the running joke

[storm jungle]

😔

[barren tapir]

Yes, and he suggested so because he thought that women are less prone to "i have it bigger" contests

[plush mason]

lol

he clearly didnt know women then

that is honestly just a human trait

[storm jungle]

holy shit i just saw this, thank you

literally one of the dumbest excuses ever lmao

A single man can make some of the greatest inventions ever for the Imperium

uwu seperating genomes so hard

[odd sparrow]

lmao yes

[barren tapir]

It wouldn't even be separating, since they are both X, it is actually harder to work on two different ones like X and Y i think

[storm jungle]

Yeah it doesnt make sense

also that excuse is like uh

all the way from rogue trader i think

so its oooold

[barren tapir]

Yeah, from a time when there was no erda, which was half of the genetic template for SM

[storm jungle]

but yeah as hobo said its basically just for marketing

making female marines as of now would probably alienate a lot of marine buyers

at least stormcast exist

[odd sparrow]

we have a source for big armoured women

rejoice

[storm jungle]

a superior caste 🙏

[plush mason]

stormcast are more akin to custodius tho

which is a good thing

[odd sparrow]

big armoured people

[storm jungle]

I mean are they?

i only see the gold connection

[plush mason]

iirc each one is forged by the hand of sigmar himself

[storm jungle]

OH thats what you mean

yeah stormcasts are a bit more special in a sense?

they arent exactly mass produced

its a "getting chosen" kind of deal from the start

[peak hamlet]

I mean yea the gold and the usage of (almost) only melee weapons

[final spruce]

Well both Stormcast and Custodes have a similar playstyle, bar Stormcast having (crappy) casters

[storm jungle]

Yeee

hence my using of the word "special"

they're pretty neat

[final spruce]

I would have appreciated femcustodes but SoS are fine

[storm jungle]

They are a good placeholder but id really love some female custodes

[final spruce]

Still the niche of lady in big armour remains to be filled in 40k

[storm jungle]

B-but zherlum

ARENT SISTERS THE SAME THING

[final spruce]

I said big lady

Sadly catachan lady prefers her abs out

[storm jungle]

god i hate that argument so much lmao

so agreed

[final spruce]

SoB are fine

I just don't like some of their units like the nundams

But most are really good

[storm jungle]

same

[odd sparrow]

the nundams in particular are kinda primaris'd

[plush mason]

so how much of the SOB chestplate is armor yall think?

[final spruce]

They are very primarised

[odd sparrow]

like, comparing them to the other bipedal mech with penitent engines and they look extremely different

[final spruce]

Because the Nundam of the High Lord rocks

Way more gothic

[odd sparrow]

that is true

i love that one

[plush mason]

the what

[storm jungle]

the nundam

[plush mason]

wtf is a nundam?

[final spruce]

New SoB high lord

[storm jungle]

Gundam

but nun

[final spruce]

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/side-by-side.jpg

[odd sparrow]

they're called uhhh

[storm jungle]

these abominations

[odd sparrow]

something something

[storm jungle]

Paragon Warsuits

[odd sparrow]

i forget

[plush mason]

oh right

[odd sparrow]

yeah that

[plush mason]

still better than the grey knights baby walker suit

[final spruce]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/n5ArdUfbMNxfOp73.jpg The High Lord I was mentionning

It looks better

[odd sparrow]

i forever love the interpretation that they're kinda just bunched up in there

[storm jungle]

my gal gonna have her ear drums explode

[odd sparrow]

yes

[final spruce]

Yeah the nundams are clearly lacking asthetics

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/paragon-penitent-comparison.jpg

[odd sparrow]

the only valid interpretation

[peak hamlet]

Yee the thingy on the right is obvs dumber but looks a lot cooler

[final spruce]

I mean technically the left is dumb aswell because unlike the torture suit its supposed to protect the wearer

[odd sparrow]

yee they look a lil too clean and neat for SoB, imo. I get they're obvs v different to the crackhead aggressive suicide mech in design but they look like they're from another faction fdjhsk

[plush mason]

the "please kill me now" mech

[peak hamlet]

I mean at least it offers some protection

And also agree with ratty, def a tad too clean

I like the high lord one tho, idk they did a better job on her somehow

[final spruce]

Because right one ISNT supposed to protect you

[plush mason]

some penetiant engines have an armored coffin to protect the driver

[final spruce]

Its a penance engine, you either die or get redeemed if you SOMEHOW survive

[peak hamlet]

What kind of argument is that lol, left one offers protection, right one doesnt. Hence right one is dumber. Ez

[peak hamlet]

I know what you mean, the armoured ones are sob penitents tho

Like not regular penitents

[plush mason]

i always wondered why

i guess those are the ones they dont want to die

[peak hamlet]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/f/f5/PenitentEngine00.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/709?cb=20120408051125

Luv old sob art

[odd sparrow]

the coffin design is def way nicer for penitent engines

esp cus it doesn't give ppl the chance to sexualise the torture machine

[plush mason]

i didnt need that info

the repentia r34 was bad enough

[storm jungle]

It doesnt work sadly because the coffin ones are extra dark

[peak hamlet]

I prefer the regular ones

But like as u said, dont sexualise it pleas

[plush mason]

why put the coffin on any of them? isnt the whole point of those thing to kill the driver?

[storm jungle]

Nah

The coffin one aka the Anchorite is more special

Its to ensure the sororitas in it is harder to get killed in the field since they betrayed one of their own sisters

So they’re just trapped in there

[peak hamlet]

Mortifiers you mean?

[odd sparrow]

metal

[plush mason]

so its like a chaos dread kinda

[odd sparrow]

i just prefer the design tbh