40k-lore-chat

[ionic blaze]

Ok he has a tail and some wings but cmon

[storm jungle]

Sorry all the good mini-designers left for AOS

[primal tide]

sorry not sorry

[lofty storm]

I think the Emperor would have opted for fleshy patch of skin for a crotch instead a long time ago.

My dick and balls would have kept me from progress a long time ago.

[ionic blaze]

They still have some ballin artist at horus heresy tho

[lean hornet]

I thought that’s cause Forge World pays a higher commission since each model sells for more.

[plush mason]

what was the name of that dude that stepped inbetween horus and the emperor again?

during their fight on horus' flagship

[barren tapir]

Ollanius pious

[plush mason]

thanks

[barren tapir]

I messed up the name a bit though

Ollanius pius is the figure, the name of the char is ollanius persson

[plush mason]

i read that

the lexicon said its all a myth

[barren tapir]

It is a nice story

[plush mason]

yeah

something for the guardsmen to look up to

[barren tapir]

^^

[plush mason]

what is real and what is true are not always the same thing

[dull osprey]

GW had a hand in that though, retconning it like 4 times

[plush mason]

ok so is the meme of custodies having names a few paragraphs long actully lore accurate?

[barren tapir]

Yes

[plush mason]

wtf

[barren tapir]

They get new names for each deed they have made

So they can get quite long names

[storm jungle]

Yeh

[plush mason]

thats crazy

[storm jungle]

“AMON” WAS THE start of his name, the earliest part of it. The second part was “Tauromachian” and, together, these two words served most circumstances in which his name was used or spoken. He was Amon Tauromachian, custodes, first circle. Violent obliteration notwithstanding, custodes lived long lives, far longer than mortal men, and they accumulated long names in those lifetimes.

Following “Tauromachian”, which was not a family name but at least one that described the occupation of the bloodline that had provided his gene-source, there came “Xigaze”, the site of his organic birth, then “Lepron”, the house of his formative study, and then “Cairn Hedrossa”, the place where he was first tutored in weapon use. “Pyrope”, seventeen words into his nomenclature sequence, remembered his first live combat, deployed on an orbital of that name.

So on, and so on, each new piece of his name honouring an action or a life landmark. Each was awarded him formally, by the masters of the first circle. “Leng” would now become part of his name, the latest ultimate part, recognising his feat in the blood game.

[smoky mauve]

Bob smith idaho california tigers highschool accounting college las vegas office work employee of the quarter

So their name is essentially like their history. That makes more sense now. Because honestly i just rhought like they gave em names for shits and giggles

Bob has made us breakfast, let us noe call him bringer of feasts

Or griddle

[signal hill]

A random thought occured to me today but I need some reference to see how grounded it is
The upper tiers of the Necrons, they have their memory more or less intact, right?

[atomic pelican]

Ye p much. The upper echelons of crons retained their memories/personalities

[plush mason]

they had the better pillows 😛

[signal hill]

neat

Because I basically had a showerthought of a group of 13 necron lords (rank may vary) who work closely together and hold on to the memories of the time where their souls were intact and basically want to restore that somehow cough

I have no idea what I am going to do with that but thanks anyway 😉

[vast frigate]

there is a lord who still thinks they are of flesh and bone

and hold to that very dearly

Hell, they even let enemies retreat, set up revolution-style face to face battles with his enemies etc

[plush mason]

so those weird terminator like mutants chaos marines have. the obliteraters i think they are called. whats their story?

[tender igloo]

i believe they suffer from the conveniently named obliterator virus that if i recall correctly grants them incredible strength but fuses the heavy weaponry with their bodies and causes them incredible pain

[errant mauve]

Obliterators and Mutilators

They're infected with a virus that gives them a chaos steroid

And also allows them to absorb weaponry into themselves

At the cost of sanity and identity

The disease takes place in 9 as stages

[smoky mauve]

They need to install more ram lmao

[peak hamlet]

Question: why cant mutilators do the gun stuff? Are they just dumber than obliterators?

[errant mauve]

With the final stage leaving the infected marine as a towering monstrosity capable of taking on entire companies of marines

But entirely singlemindedly focused on their cult of destruction

[errant mauve]

In the lore there is no real distinction

[peak hamlet]

Oh lol

[final spruce]

So they actually have the power to attempt to 1v1 a Captain, gotcha

[errant mauve]

It's more of a gameplay thing

[final spruce]

Oh no I was laughing about how powerful they make SM captains in the lore

[errant mauve]

Oh shit sorry I wasnt replying to you my wifi hsut got fucked

And the message sent late 😅

The two messages should've sent together 😔

[final spruce]

😔

[plush mason]

ofc SM cappys are OP

they are anime super soldiers after all

ok so is Ciaphas Caine just some meme lord like Sly or is he a real deal in the lore?

[barren tapir]

Both are a real deal, it depend on what type of deal you are looking for though

[plush mason]

is he really "the hero of the imperium" as the old song goes?

and how does he compare to Yorrick?

[errant mauve]

"Ciaphas Cain ((Kai-a-fass[13] Kane)) was an Imperial Commissar. He was in active service in the last century of M41, and was over 200 years old when he was recalled into service during the 13th Black Crusade of Abaddon the Despoiler, and it is certain that he survived more than a quarter of a century into M42. Propaganda made him out to be the hero of the Imperium circa late M41 although in truth he was mainly focused on surviving. (However he differed from many other Imperial Commissars in that he would not readily sacrifice soldiers unless it ensured his own survival.) Cain tried his utmost to avoid engaging in actual combat, but would have to anyway to maintain his status as a Hero of the Imperium, which ironically, would involve him in more dangerous situations than any he would usually see as a Commissar. He was responsible for many successful campaigns throughout his career and retired to become a professor at a Schola Progenium."

[odd sparrow]

No, the whole gimmick of his character is he's just a dude who's way out of his depth but he keeps getting ridiculously lucky and coming off like a legendary hero

Which results in him getting given frontline assignments again

Which he hates, etc

[plush mason]

lol

[errant mauve]

tl;dr Ciaphas Cain was a heroic if cowardly commissar with extraordinary luck, who the Imperial Propaganda machine frames as a Paragon of the Imperium

[odd sparrow]

Its a very fun character gshdg

[errant mauve]

he is

[plush mason]

sounds like it

[errant mauve]

My wish for if they ever make a 40k live action

is for ciaphas in flashbacks to be played by Henry Cavil

but the actual ciaphas is played by Adam Sandler

[plush mason]

btw was he really in bed with a high ranking inqusitor?

[errant mauve]

define "in bed"

[plush mason]

from what little i know it was a "friends with benefits" kinda deal or maybe not

[errant mauve]

He definitely shared a close relationship and worked closely with Amberly Vail through periods of his career

The idea they fucked is a meme though

[plush mason]

thought so

[final spruce]

He also has imposter syndrome

[errant mauve]

SUS

[final spruce]

Amogus

[errant mauve]

Camogus Cain

[barren tapir]

Tanna sus?

[plush mason]

?

[proper helm]

Can't or has difficulty accepting his own accomplishments

[rose thorn]

Read up on some EC lore, and I realized that most of the name characters were super fucked up even before becoming traitorous lmao

Lucius the Eternial literally gets revived when he gets killed, only if the person who killed him enjoyed it

And he is so fucking horrific and monstrous he literally was dubbed ‘the Eternal’

He killed hobos out at night when he was a kid- he met a widower who used used her victim’s fluids for art. And she taught him the ways of, being a really really fucked up bastard.

And has an ego as fragile as a silence it self.

I kinda, love him lmao

MY BAD

HE DOESNT GET REVIVED

HE STEALS THEIR BODY

AND TRAPS THEIR SOUL IN HIS ARMOR

[plush mason]

oh so that explains the meme about caine in the lore vs caine in his mind

[rose thorn]

So, he is immortal unless a necron or tryanid kills him

[plush mason]

iirc his curse can and has effected a high ranking necron

[rose thorn]

curse for his victims, not him lmao

[plush mason]

yes

majorkill has a video on who he thinks can perma kill lucius

[rose thorn]

I fucking love how horrifically fucked up and disturbing he is of a character

[plush mason]

he is champian of slannesh so

[rose thorn]

The

True

But compared to the champion of khorne

He is, a lot more fucked up

[plush mason]

tbh im just glad he isnt all BDMS goblin like the rest of slannesh's forces

[rose thorn]

He dices him slef up for shits and giggles

And, his head, he did that to himself

Aw man, Lucius doesn’t have any table top rules that represent reviving himself, i mean to be fair it could be kinda really fucking stupid

[atomic pelican]

Lucius is the "you kill me, I come back" one right?

Honestly self-revive abilities aren't too ridiculous, Haemonculi already have some

[errant mauve]

Yeah, it's just that the writers really like bending the original conditions set for how Lucius can revive that leads to some memery around him.

i.e Lucius steps on a landmine and dies. A few weeks later Lucius comes back by transforming from the factorum worker who took pride in his job making mines.

[atomic pelican]

Ahh

[rose thorn]

Lmao- fucking imagine

You vibin, and your friend begins talking about how his land mines have been super good and is glad to be serving the emperor. Then he just fuckin turns inside out and as you watch, gets physically torn to shreds and put into this mutant’s armor. Then 40 minutes late the entire factory is dead or wishes they were dead.

[primal tide]

Fitting that chaos doesn't play by its own rules anyway

[errant mauve]

Very much so

If you want my perspective

its that Lucius' rule isn't actually a "rule" in a hardset sense

imo

Slaanesh loves seeing Lucius fuck about, and will always find a way to bring him back as long as the scarred boy keeps them entertained.

[rose thorn]

If Lucius dies from a space marine gunning him down, he could come back through the space marines or mayeb he could come back though the guy who made the bolter round

[errant mauve]

Which is why Lucius seems to come back for the most contrived reasons.

[rose thorn]

Probably what ever Slaanesh things is more important, or more likely funnier

[errant mauve]

It's like Khorne with Kharn. Would you accept it if your favourite chess piece randomly upped and died?

That's my theory, anyways.

[primal tide]

It makes sense to me that slaanesh would have the biggest sense of humor for this kind of thing too

Compared to the other gods

[errant mauve]

A fickle champion for a fickle master

[rose thorn]

IM FUCKING SORRY, WHAT?? HE CAN USE THE SCREAMS OF PAIN AND SUFFERING FROM HIS ARMOR TO KILL PEOPLE?

[primal tide]

Very on brand

[rose thorn]

No shit that is the most fucking ridiculous and over the top thing I’ve heard in 40K so far.

Like, sonic weapons, just speakers enhanced with demon magic

Nothing too crazy

Having so many tormented souls, or loud enough people experiencing unparalleled suffering being channeled to fucking melt someone.

[primal tide]

Some sonic attacks are just a dude screaming too lol

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/thurston-waffles-meow-scream-glowing-eyes-cat-gif-15740056

Footage of a noise marines trying to get slaanesh’s attention

[neat fiber]

So heres an honest question I see it a lot with chaos armor or mutations where its deformed flesh etc, just like how its listed above on that armor that its buried under a layer of flesh so how does it not just get torn to shreds and ripped apart?

Is the explanation just warp stuff?

[smoky mauve]

I just imagined someone dipping his armor in solvent and it just sloughing off

[signal hill]

afaik the armor is not just under layers of flesh but instead the layers are flesh have become part of the armor as well as the armor has bevome part of the chaos marine
so its one fucked up amalgamation of regular flesh, enhanced flesh, space marine armor and chaos energies

Mileage may vary

[vast frigate]

dont worry we can go better

Marneus Calgar used a necron pylon to beat necrons to death

Now depending on the explanation thats either;
this

or this

[peak hamlet]

Very epic looking pic

[signal hill]

Reminds me of the last ... like ten times I've looked to something warhammer related (more often 40k then fantasy) and thought to myself 'yeah, those guys have no idea about relatives sizes or any sort of semi realistic numbers'

[storm jungle]

Never have and probably never will

[peak hamlet]

Wdym you cant win a war on an earth sized planet with only 1000 marines??

[rose thorn]

Are there any rules in what species can join a rogue trader?

[plush mason]

like the actul rouge traders?

[rose thorn]

Yes

[plush mason]

oh if you mean their crew no

[final spruce]

Yes there are ! Whatever the rogue trader wants lmao

[plush mason]

yup

[rose thorn]

Lmao nice

[plush mason]

rogue traders are free to do what ever the fuck they want

[final spruce]

Back in 2014 a RT could easily have a drukhari or a tau in his retenue

[rose thorn]

One of my mini projects is just to make a rogue trader crew

[final spruce]

Taus and kroot are common mercenaries and hired help for RTs

[rose thorn]

I have my captain already made, I’m gonna use a skitarii from my forge world, an Eldar corsair

And I need a few more things

[plush mason]

iirc rogue traders got started after the emperor unified terra and was left with a bunch of former warlords he didnt want to kill but also didnt want to leave on terra. so he basiclly gave them some money a ship and told them to go fuck off into the stars

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[signal hill]

'Go be a thot elsewhere'

[plush mason]

yeah basicly

also "while you are doing that. try to be a good diplomat so i can have an easier time retaking said stars"

[dull osprey]

Kinda. It was also a mirror of Privateering IRL, where they were given a license during the Crusade to go plunder the stars, in the name of the Imperium of course

And so they maintain that tradition, with some variants later on to retract their power a little bit, and Gurlyman used em as explorers to find the fastest routes through the Citrix Maledictum, although the new Letters of Marque have considerable less power IIRC than the old Warrants

But yeah they have a lot of leeway outside of of Imperial Space, so yeah not uncommon to have Kroot or other aliens in their retinue

But as with all things in the Imperium, it's always who has the biggest dick in the room

Metaphorically of course? But 40k being 40k... lol

[rose thorn]

Imagine being the poor bastards who have an ork in thier rogue trader crew

[final spruce]

Just take a Kommando

[dull osprey]

Also as someone notes above, more than once has a Warrant of Trade been issued as a political tool, basically a "you're too powerful to be killed outright without causing problems, so here's warrant, get the fuck out"

[final spruce]

Its been the case for 1 inquisitor I believe

[dull osprey]

Lol I played in a Rogue Trader TTRPG game where my buddy played a Mekboy, and well shenanigans ensued

[rose thorn]

Oh god your ship gets heavily damaged and your only mechanic is a fucking ork

[rose thorn]

Maybe some rural guard- yea I’ll put a few rural guard guys in my rogue trader

My captain is already in a plague doctor uniform

[plush mason]

so are all the sisters of battle the chamber millitant of the ordo hereticus?

or is it just a few sisterhoods?

[storm jungle]

They're all officially recognized yep

[plush mason]

so how does that work?

if the inqusition can take whoever they want from just about any other faction of the imperium why do the ordos need chamber millitants?

[storm jungle]

To be militants as their name implies

Inquisitors can just ask for aid from them

[plush mason]

so it just cuts out the paperwork

[storm jungle]

yeh

[plush mason]

idk why i didnt think of that lol

[storm jungle]

But its pretty situational since the Sisters are a REALLY big organisation

they can just outright refuse the inquisitor's request if they wish

[plush mason]

they can?

[rose thorn]

Lmao yea it’s hilarious

[storm jungle]

Most Imperial branches can turn down inquisitors yeah

[plush mason]

i thought only the custodius and a few first founding SM chapters could

[storm jungle]

Nah it ENTIRELY depends

like if its some new up-n-coming inquisitor you can just go

"Who the fuck are you suppose to be"

if its some Lord through and he shows verifications of his abilities/influence you cannot turn the guy away

[rose thorn]

Even Deathwatch can ignore the inquisitor

[storm jungle]

Yeee exactly

[plush mason]

hmmmm

[storm jungle]

its literally like a video game influence system

Not high enough? Most people wont really care when you show your badge around

High enough? You can get an entire fleet on your side with the right moves

[plush mason]

yeah the more i learn about the inqusition the less i like it.

[storm jungle]

LMAO yeah

they are almost mary sue'ish

its one of the reasons why most people make OC's on them for RPGs and such

[plush mason]

they have no real structure or anything

[rose thorn]

And in lore people treat them like RPG characters too lmao. Fear their word or laugh at the man who can kill your entire family and make it look like an accident.

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

YEP

ON POINT

[storm jungle]

Also they kinda do? But GW as usual does a shit job at explaining it

1 sec i got a lore accurate fan-hierarchy somewhere

[final spruce]

Every Dan Abnett main character moment

[storm jungle]

@plush mason

the Inquisition is on the middle

the right is Grey Knights and the left is Deathwatch

but this chart and the text-boxes are the most simplified explanation you're gonna get

[plush mason]

ok that looks a lot better

[frosty cobalt]

Waitwairwait

This says

Deathwatch has to answer to servitors

Thats a)stupid b)FUCKIN HILARIOUS

[errant mauve]

I think its supposed just show the branches names

[storm jungle]

LMAO yeah what Mayo said

thats structured as Lowest > Highest Rank

aka servitors are obviously at the bottom since uh

you know, slaves

[frosty cobalt]

Yea figured but like

It dont show it that clearly

[storm jungle]

PERHAPS YOU'RE JUST BAD AT READING!

[plush mason]

always read these kinds of charts from the top down

the one in the middle is the main brance and thus the starting point

[storm jungle]

Yeee thats the one

I got one for every imperial group

really helpful

[frosty cobalt]

Fuc u they shoulda put them above kill marines atleast

||but yea im bad at reading||

Dyslexias a bitc

[plush mason]

its ok root charts can be confussing to read at times as they often dont put the names of the given group at the top even tho thats where they start

[storm jungle]

Yeah be glad i didnt post the Mechanicus structure map

that one would kill some people here

[plush mason]

lol i bet

[plush mason]

that title at the top. is it any in offical lore?

[storm jungle]

Yep!

Thats the lad that attends the highlord of terra

[barren tapir]

I find it really great

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

Wait, can genestealer cults even have named characters?

[frosty cobalt]

Oh no i knoe deathwatch has superiority over servitors and surfs its just hilarious to imagine a deathwatch marine having to clean a ship deck cause a servitor told them too

[storm jungle]

oh my god

[frosty cobalt]

Ye

[atomic pelican]

Not on tt

[storm jungle]

its like those walmart bots that snitch on you when you spill trash on an isle

[plush mason]

thank you for that hillarios mental image 🙂

[frosty cobalt]

Its what i do

[rose thorn]

Like, can you have a dynamic and interesting killteam lore?

[plush mason]

and ofc im a space wolf fan so the deathwatch in question was a dark angel 😛

[frosty cobalt]

Ask me for silly mental images and i got u homie

[rose thorn]

Like, deathwatch is literally all about the characters. But genestealer cult killteams.

They are just gonna die anyway

[storm jungle]

Yeah its one downside of GSC

i think this chick is the newest/first named character right?

[rose thorn]

I think?

[plush mason]

iirc isnt the highmind ressing some of them?

[rose thorn]

But she is on Mars

I mean

Terr

Terra

So she’s got a while

[storm jungle]

That only applies to uh, tyranids. Not cult members

[final spruce]

From what I understand its a standard miniature but for the shadow throne box its named

[storm jungle]

Ahh

[final spruce]

I hope so because that'd be a shame to lock such a good miniature behind the "named character" role

[plush mason]

oh someone told me it has started ressing the cult memeber it found usefull and it was preserving parts of their personallity

[atomic pelican]

Yes

The character lorewise is Merdea Thrayk but the model is generic

Reductress saboteur

[rose thorn]

I mean tyranids, they can just be urban characters, like old one eye and crap

[atomic pelican]

Its not because they cant fluffwise

Its bcuz they just havent made one

[storm jungle]

Yeee and like special characters would make a lot of sense too

[rose thorn]

But how would you?

[atomic pelican]

How would you?

[storm jungle]

literally just cult members that are legendary in status and hop from planet to planet

[atomic pelican]

Yes

The same way you make a named char fir every other faction??

[storm jungle]

it would make sense that other cults would welcome them in because of their influence

[final spruce]

i'd like something like the name is linked to the rank

[atomic pelican]

It could even just be the same cult

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[atomic pelican]

The large cults span several systems

[final spruce]

But my knowledge with cult is lacking since the Spiral Tower ended up being more of an IG book

[atomic pelican]

Ye

[plush mason]

btw is it a special kind of genestealer that starts these cults or can any of the pure breed ones do so?

[rose thorn]

J didn’t even consider that

[final spruce]

Twas decent tho thanks for the recommendation

Really changes from Dan Abnett's stuff

[atomic pelican]

Yuss

Its a good book!

[final spruce]

Getting a bit tired of his writing ngl

[atomic pelican]

I liked the mystery feeling

U should try Chamber's eldar if u want to

Masque of Vyle esp

Is short and nice

[atomic pelican]

Ye, there are entire systems controlled by cultd as well

Cults

Planets, etc

They take control, and a hivefleet doesnt arrive for a long time(or dies in transit)

[rose thorn]

I wanted to make a tribal style genestealer cult killteam, but then i thought it wouldn’t make sense that this random backwater cult would fight grey knights and shit

[final spruce]

Andy Chambers right ?

[atomic pelican]

Yess

[plush mason]

be like feral orks kinda

[rose thorn]

True

[atomic pelican]

Path of the Dark eldar (Drukhari) and Masque of Vyle(Harlequins)

[rose thorn]

Or there is a mcguffin on said planet

[final spruce]

I'd read the funny clown lore

[atomic pelican]

Masque of Vyle just feels rlly unique for a BL book

[final spruce]

Just need to ask Dilara again for some sauce

[atomic pelican]

Its centered around a play

Its kinds like macbeth in a way

The way its structured, it feels like a classical play itself

A tragic 'hero', etc etc

Makes sense for harles

Thus Masque of Vyle

[final spruce]

Yeah, especially when one specific role is doomed, I think its the Solitaire the one playing Slaneesh roight ?

Or is it another one ?

[atomic pelican]

Yess

Solitaire

Motley is a reoccuring character

In path of the deldar

And Masque of Vyle

Hes a solitaire

[final spruce]

Well my brain is currently mush so I'll read about em once I'm more mentally adept

[atomic pelican]

Yus

[final spruce]

God I feel like I'm just losing braincells each month

[ionic blaze]

How do the GSC get mining equipment in terra

[atomic pelican]

Shipped in or already there

Im sure theres on planet mining

[rose thorn]

Maybe, a genestealer killteam of elite cultists that travel to planet’s with failing cults.

[atomic pelican]

Even still

[ionic blaze]

I thought everything minable there was mined to extinction before the emperor finished unifying stuff

[final spruce]

Well they use it during their everyday's work sooo

[barren tapir]

Pretty sure they need heavy equipment to clear paths in the hives and stuff

[atomic pelican]

Wouldnt be especially hard to smuggle in as well, considering its just work equipment.

[final spruce]

I'm pretty Terra still has use of mining lasers and saws just for maintenance of buildings etc

[ionic blaze]

This would make the most sense i thibk

[odd sparrow]

realistically GSC prolly just use whatever they have immediately available for them, just the model range has mining equipment cus that's pretty ubiquitous

[atomic pelican]

Yee

Fluffwise it actually does depend

[ionic blaze]

I’d expect work equipment in terra to be parchment, ink and incense

[plush mason]

im sure there was at one point but iirc all of terra's natual resources are gone and thats why so much of the imperium is focused on bringing in good to terra just to keep it alive

[odd sparrow]

on planets without actual mining operations like uh idk, maybe an agri world or smthn, write in whatever u want

combine harvester GSC

[barren tapir]

The buildings have shitton of people keeping care of them

[atomic pelican]

There's fluff about how the different major cults formed their tactics around the needs of their home planet/conditions

[final spruce]

GSC on agri-worlds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5uHaXcIFJM

[rose thorn]

I just wish that GSC had like, an alternative weapon kits, same stats as the mining master and crap

But it’s just different

[odd sparrow]

dfhsjk

[atomic pelican]

Rusted Claw came from a place with lots of shitty outlands, they have a focus on jackal gangs

[ionic blaze]

I could see mining equipment getting sent to an agri world

They could just

[atomic pelican]

You could just fluff it that way and use the laser statblock

[rose thorn]

Yea, exactly

[ionic blaze]

Eh, GSC does have alternate weapons

It’s just being wielded by the guard

[odd sparrow]

FEUDAL WORLD CULTS

[atomic pelican]

Ooga

[odd sparrow]

billhooks

[barren tapir]

There was one

[ionic blaze]

Ooga BOOMGA

[barren tapir]

Too bad that a missionary destroyed it lol

[rose thorn]

YSA I WANNA MAKE A TRIBAL GENESTEALER CULT

[odd sparrow]

imagine them making plate armour fashioned specifically to hybrids of diff types

[ionic blaze]

Many arm star god better than shiny star god

[atomic pelican]

Chad

[rose thorn]

‘Yes instead of a mining laser, it’s just ramshackled bits and crap form a crashed space ship

[ionic blaze]

Gives thunder coconuts instead of take offsprings

[rose thorn]

Wait are there GSCs on space hulks?

[final spruce]

I imagine the average life of a GSC must be like the Metro franchise

[atomic pelican]

Could be, but typically those are just purestrains

[ionic blaze]

Fucken

Considering how many different types of imperial worlds there are

[atomic pelican]

I fluffed my cult as scrapping a space hulk's chunks to make a fleet so I can play BFG as imperial navy w/cult icons

[rose thorn]

Ah

[ionic blaze]

You can bet there must be at least one planet where innsmouth is being repeated by the script

[plush mason]

the average life of anyone in the warhammer universe must be shit to some level

[ionic blaze]

With trenchcoats and chicago typerwriter stubguns and all

[rose thorn]

I literally fluffed by forge world the exact same way lmao

[final spruce]

I meant moreso the tunnel scurrying and the scrap weapons

[rose thorn]

Except not using th metal for fleets

[final spruce]

I know that the average life in the Imperium is pretty shite whatever Skelly says

[rose thorn]

Instead just merc work

[barren tapir]

Fiu, dodged a bullet here

[atomic pelican]

Yee the fun part was encountering other purestrains there and having cult+their purestrains vs hulk purestrains

And the ensuing change of dogma

or rather, restructuring of views

[ionic blaze]

BLESS YOU HOLY BROTHERS WHAT IS THE MESSAGE OF OUR STAR G… why’re you eating aunt Angela’s arm?

[plush mason]

so can purestrain genestealers talk?

[atomic pelican]

No

Though they presumably 'communicate' via the broodmind

[final spruce]

Dodged a bullet ?

[atomic pelican]

Like a regular nid would

[plush mason]

so how do they start the cults?

[atomic pelican]

They grab someone off the streets

[ionic blaze]

Wait, would a cult’s purestrain remain loyal to the cult

[atomic pelican]

and infect them

[final spruce]

Kiss

[atomic pelican]

In what situation

[final spruce]

Deep kiss

[barren tapir]

Yes, you mentioned Skele only, but i also was among those that defended the fact that some people live decent lives in 40K

[plush mason]

im invisioning something like what the predalien did to those preggo women

[ionic blaze]

Hm, if they met a different tendril’s genestealer than the one who seeded the genestealer in their world i guess they’d remain loyal

[atomic pelican]

Yee

Cults and their purestrains

Only loyal to their siring hivefleet typically

[final spruce]

That's not too far off, just remove the egg part

[atomic pelican]

So purestrains sired from 2 different hivefleets will likely try to cannibalize

eachother

[ionic blaze]

Their hivefleet shows up and is peckish tho? Full on loyalty to the fleet

[atomic pelican]

Yes

[ionic blaze]

Time to eat uncle bob

[atomic pelican]

They turn to the side of the hivefleet, EXCEPT in rare circumstances

Iirc there's a codex story about a patriarch who was psychically capable enough and p much went solo

then the cult turned on the hivefleet and actually won

[ionic blaze]

I think i remember that one

Don’t remember if they started trying to warn other clans afterwards

[atomic pelican]

Unlikely, they were still loyal to the patriarch

Their dogma probs just changed

[final spruce]

I mean technically just devouring the planet once its infected is not the most intelligent way

[atomic pelican]

Yee

Cults that survive past taking a planet begin to spread out further, using it as a source planet

[final spruce]

Letting a planet be 100% infected and then have these people establish trade routes with other systems

[atomic pelican]

They will continue to pay the tithe

[final spruce]

Now we're talking

[atomic pelican]

In Brood Brothers

Who will take their infection wherever the Guard goes

Most of the big cults control their homeworld iirc

I know Bladed Cog and Rusted Claw do

Twisted Helix as well

I think Cult of the 4AE was a mining company at one point, which has been obviously shutdown from that point, so no homeworld

I think ppl make a mistake by thinking Cults are unorganized crackheads in the dirt of planets, in reality, this is very much so their strength. Being a organized, multi-system covert power which is underestimated so often

Until a system's communications go dark and come back with new masters

[final spruce]

I think only people that have surface level of knowledge or just imperium stans

[atomic pelican]

Ye tru

Cults also just aren't a very popular army so ppl dont know too much abt them often, I'm always happy to spill info tho

[final spruce]

I mean they have a "cursed" combination

Underdogs / Xenos / hard army to play / Expensive to collect

[atomic pelican]

Yep

Also very new

Well, relatively new

I have this feeling they might get a popularity boost with Shadow Throne's plot, esp if they perform well

[final spruce]

I don't think it really matters because newer armies like Custodes and Knights still have a solid playerbase

[atomic pelican]

Ah ur right

[final spruce]

But your shadow Throne box argument is very valid

Them getting a nice box + being paired with the golden boys will boost their popularity

[atomic pelican]

Cults have mostly only ever been in the corners of the like, Main 40k plot, so this is big

[final spruce]

Which is pretty sad since you could do rad stuff with cult without even going for a full Xeno type of book

[atomic pelican]

Yep

[final spruce]

Like we arleady discussed about, GSC seems to be a nice playground for human characters

Even if, at the end of the day they are from xenos that want to put an end to life

[atomic pelican]

Ye It's a mix of why I play them, you get a non-imperial 'human' ground level faction

Since ultimately 3rd/4th gens are still human in personality

[ionic blaze]

GSC in shadow throne actually winning and the emperor being replaced by a giga patriarch fucking when

[atomic pelican]

God

LEGENDARY status

[final spruce]

You don't even need to go that far, just mind-controlled / freshly kissed humans would also work as protagonists

[atomic pelican]

Exactly

[ionic blaze]

I would laugh until my lungs burst

[atomic pelican]

I have this feeling the Cult will 'Win' and will just attract a tyranid hivefleet as their big win

Starting another war of the beast esque invasion

And giving a good inlet for tyranid boxset invading terra

[final spruce]

Hell imagine a book where you think the main character is imperial etc and at the end plotwist he goes to visit his wife and their newborn child and it has 3 arms

[atomic pelican]

Hero status

[ionic blaze]

Tbf, in that sense, the cult already “won” in that the emperor is a big enough beacon that every tyrannid lready has terra in their crosshair

[atomic pelican]

I was hearing my LGS manager explain it to me

Tyranids KNOW terra is SOMEWHERE there

But not exactly where

The Cult tells them EXACTLY where to go

[ionic blaze]

Ahh

[final spruce]

They are killing Custodes and reducing the defenses of Terra, they are already in the endgame

[atomic pelican]

Exactly

It' COMING

A cult uprising means It's Close

Because the Pauper Princes have not been forced out of hiding

No, they come out willingly

That means something is happening

Something big.

[ionic blaze]

Funny thing is, there’d been a couple of uprisings before

[atomic pelican]

A cult never reveals itself without good reason

[ionic blaze]

Previous one pointed something very tentacly in the sun

[atomic pelican]

Yeah, there was a 4AE Cult but it got caught pre-maturely iirc

By Sustodes

I actually thought Shadow Throne WOULD be 4AE, since Terra is a source planet for them

[ionic blaze]

You seen that tinfoilery that Trajann is actually a cultist in disguise

Just because

Of his

[atomic pelican]

[ionic blaze]

Brows

It’s them genestealer ridges man

[final spruce]

[atomic pelican]

[ionic blaze]

And due to how he kicked the deathwatch out cause he wanted to take care of the terra cultists by himself

And people got sus over that too

ITS ALL CONNECTED MAAAAN

[final spruce]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/536596596394164224/865509253350555678/jogohik.gif

[ionic blaze]

IRA inspired GSC whens

[atomic pelican]

Im p sure I saw someone already do that actually

Going to be esp fitting with the reductress saboteur

[final spruce]

She does indeed reduct the size of enemies throught the use of explosives

[odd sparrow]

You call throwing dynamite at people a martial art?

[ionic blaze]

Hey

[atomic pelican]

ESP with how good she is at killing vehicles

good lord

[ionic blaze]

If it works

[atomic pelican]

Once I get my saboteur

[ionic blaze]

||she doesn’t even throw the dynamites, it’s all pre thrown already||

[atomic pelican]

Going to run her with a jackal alphus for Priority target and just fucking detonate things

[final spruce]

I wish I had saved my meme

Even if it was so bad

Oh its still here

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735819155608961044/904768702057160744/boom.png

[vast frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/deeprockgalactic-halloween-forkarl-karl-gif-15361985

[plush mason]

that game is the closest we will ever get to playing squats

[ionic blaze]

Squats as guard regiment whens

[vast frigate]

Never

[plush mason]

tis sad

[marsh grail]

Why exactly have they removed squats?

[plush mason]

i heared it was the nids

they wiped out their home world in lore

[marsh grail]

I see. So why did GW get rid of them?

I mean you’d think they’d be against hard removing stuff like that. Since you’d think they’d like the option to sell them in the future.

[plush mason]

maybe they just dont see a vaule to them as a TT faction

like the cat people

[eternal ledge]

I believe the explanation was branding

They didn't want 40k to be just warhammer fantasy but in space

Buuuut they have been coming back in stuff like Blackstone Fortress and Necromunda as mercs

But those are characters not armies

[scenic bolt]

yea they released the squats back when 40k was just scifi WFB, so squats were much like dwarfs are to the reich

[plush mason]

i mean isnt that what it basicly is tho?

[scenic bolt]

they maintained and crafted all the tech in the imperium

but then they hit a wall as they started separating the two games and 40k started developing its own lore rather than 'just it's like this fantasy faction but with lasers'

[errant mauve]

I'm mildly paraphrasing

[scenic bolt]

cause by that point they developed the mechanicus and thought that was a neat idea

[errant mauve]

but iirc

from an interview with Jes Goodwin in the 00's

[plush mason]

so the mechanicus, not the nids wiped out the squats

[scenic bolt]

but then realized that the squats and the mechanicus occupied the same space within the imperium and the mechanicus was new and interesting and they couldnt think of anything to make squats cool or justify their continued inclusion

[errant mauve]

it was somewhere around "we wanted to make sure our factions could be taken both seriously and also in good humour, and we felt we could never do the squats justice."

[scenic bolt]

so tldr is mechanicus as a faction replaced the squats

iirc the nids were just an off the cuff comment years later about why squats got squatted

that later got included into lore

[plush mason]

space dwarves can be hard to do right that is true

[atomic pelican]

The demiurg ball

[rose thorn]

I like what squats are now tho, just a super rare species in the imperium that do grunt work

[rose thorn]

I’ve never realized, lesser demons are like, sentient

Like, idk abour plague bearers

But Demonettes have their own individual personalities

[atomic pelican]

Depends on the daemon I think

Yee

Daemonettes do

[rose thorn]

It’s kinda fucking cool

So so blood letters I think

That’s how you get Demonettes like the Masque of Slaanesh

[atomic pelican]

Yee

There are def other minor daemons with personalities too

The Blue Scribes and such

[rose thorn]

I think, the pink horrors do- but I’m not sure

Yes

[atomic pelican]

Yee the Blue scribes are blue horrors

[rose thorn]

I think they just get a personality when they get smarter

Also, I use to really not like the Keeper of secrets Model, but it really grew on me

So feminine and so masculine

I think I have a thing for like, vales abs the weird wire clothes

[vast frigate]

They arent what gw wanted

Squats started to become space bikers

[barren tapir]

Weren't the squats made by a guy who left GW and GW could save only the orks or the squats? And they went with the orks, but i'm sure that the Squats will return

[storm jungle]

Its a mix of both but this explanation is the most accurate one

Anything about them "wanting to do squats justice" is just bullshit corpo talk, they just didnt care and didnt want to bother

so we'll see what comes out of them in the future i think

[peak hamlet]

Canon height:

[barren tapir]

That would explain how the little one is the scout one

[vast frigate]

Yeah so i love this because codices have final word on canon

But gw bounces all over the fucking place

[storm jungle]

One of the lore nerds i know explained it really well

[vast frigate]

Yes

This image has done the rounds

[storm jungle]

I meant the text

[vast frigate]

I know

[storm jungle]

especially the part about BL fucking up the sizes

[vast frigate]

The entire image

[storm jungle]

which is...

[vast frigate]

Ive seen it before

[storm jungle]

not surprising

[vast frigate]

Yeah

BL i still dont get

What does it stand for

[storm jungle]

Black Library?

[vast frigate]

Oh right

Forge brainrrot is hard atm

Ive been hammering a fence for the last 3 hours

[rose thorn]

Hey does anyone know a good rogue trader group name?

Something a little more European

My captain is in a plague doctor uniform, and some of the crew has like, medieval guard stuff

[dull osprey]

I use this for Inquisitors and Rogue Traders usually lol

https://www.realmofplastic.com/warhammer-40k-blog/40k-inquisitor-character-name-generator

I generally generate a bunch and then combine them as much as I want

[rose thorn]

O nice thanks

[daring hill]

Every time someone says squats GW presses the reset button on the squats

[signal hill]

Is it the same for felinids?

[storm jungle]

Felinids do still exist

they got mentioned in this year's xenology book

[final spruce]

Aswell in the 8th edition Guard codex

[rose thorn]

Xenology book?

[storm jungle]

Technically Liber Xenologies

its a sequel to the Xenology book but just... less well produced

[rose thorn]

Ohhh lmao

[storm jungle]

Yeeee sorry mixed the titles lol

[lofty storm]

So... Jaghatai Khan may come back one day? 👁️

Just read that he is lost in the Webways.

[final spruce]

I mean the same way Russ and Lion could

Lion having a fucking beauty sleep for 10k years now

Also Godblight hinting at Gulliman having ascended / being on the path of Godhood

[atomic pelican]

Potential that insane clown posse retrieves Khan to spit out at some chaos warband

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats the rule for like

checks script

[atomic pelican]

Everyone

[storm jungle]

Pretty much every loyalist primarch

YEP

[atomic pelican]

I wish theyd ball up

And kill some

[storm jungle]

minus Ferrus Whogivesashitmanus

[atomic pelican]

Yeah literally the only one is ferrus and ferrus fucking sucks

I forget abt him everytime he goes unmentioned for a day

[storm jungle]

same

[lofty storm]

Hmmm. I'd be curious to see who they would bring back first though.

[storm jungle]

Most likely Lion

since hes in a location we know

aka just under the fucking Rock

[lofty storm]

That would be very dope.

[atomic pelican]

Lion or Russ I'd say just since space wolf fans are aplenty i think

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

Its gonna be awhile but they will come back for sale boosts

[atomic pelican]

Jag would be the far superior choice of course

[lofty storm]

Jag would be the best easily.

[storm jungle]

I never was around for the Gathering Storm/Pre-rift 40k so I missed out ALL the hype around it

I'd be curious to be around when another Premiumboi comes back

[lofty storm]

Same. No idea. Just neat to read some may still survive.

[storm jungle]

Haha yeah

[lofty storm]

I imagine one coming back would honestly totally fuck up the Imperium

[storm jungle]

100%

[barren tapir]

I think that if Khan get back he would go very easily on a rampage

[storm jungle]

Lmao that too

[lofty storm]

Since Guilliman is regarded as their godking at this point. I imagine a second returning would put doubts on who should be followed and shit.

[storm jungle]

Imperials follow a sheep mentality so you're right

[atomic pelican]

Do we have much info on the dark side™️ of the imperium beyond blood angels xd and Mephiston the Plot Armored

[storm jungle]

haha

no

Literally nothing

[barren tapir]

I know they are fighting taus

Lulz

[atomic pelican]

U kno I know we meme on calgar and Ultras but

Just by virtue of Mephiston

Blood angels might be the most plot broken chapter atm

[storm jungle]

I actually made a gif-meme about Mephiston's bullshit

https://i.imgflip.com/5t8l89.gif

[atomic pelican]

Mephiston is Somehow Even More broken than Calgar's hands

I SAW IT

[lofty storm]

Mephiston absolutely is INSANELY play armoured on multiple levels.

[storm jungle]

I HAVE TO REPOST SORRY FFDSK

[lofty storm]

Insane fucking Psyker too.

Just straight up nuking shit at will now.

[atomic pelican]

Yeah its stupid lmao

[barren tapir]

Shit, this is gold! @final spruce do you saw this before?

[atomic pelican]

I hope we just ignore the dark side of the imperium

I dont want to hear abt this god awful shit

DHDHD

[lofty storm]

It's just a matter of time before they end up having some civil war.

[atomic pelican]

Plot armored ultramarines vs plot armored mephiston

[primal tide]

The dark side of the imperium is one of the most wasted narrative spaces in gw's possession

[atomic pelican]

Yeah

[final spruce]

Yeah im not surprised the Blood angels havr more plot armour than ultras

Dante makes Calgars hands look like toys

[lofty storm]

"That liberal cuck Guilliman is trying to mandate a vaccine for the black rage. He had them add it to the Codex Astartes as an emergency procedure."

[atomic pelican]

I think whoever writes marine lore are constantly in a competition to write the worst thing they can

[lofty storm]

LMFAO

[atomic pelican]

Tho, that may just be BL as a whole

[lofty storm]

I only like one or two authors for SM in general.

Abnett and Bowden

Everyone else is just having a pissing contest.

[barren tapir]

I meant if you had it in your collection, it is a meme by @storm jungle, and i know you like to collect them

[final spruce]

Abnett likes to do imperial Fist fist jokes

[final spruce]

Only the Darktide related ones

[barren tapir]

Ah, k

[final spruce]

Because then I would be able to feel nostalgia before the discord ends up being buried by all the newcomers and Grim's spawns

[storm jungle]

Bro

next you'll tell me Guilliman is gonna order the ultramarines and their successors to storm the Capital I MEAN Imperial Palace

[lofty storm]

LMFAO

Dilly, please stop always being funny.

Thank you.

[storm jungle]

happy to help

[final spruce]

Oh yeah that happened

[storm jungle]

oh my god wait

they did actually siege the palace once at the end of the Age of Apostasy

thats a bit too close to home

[final spruce]

They did lmao

[barren tapir]

They sieged the ecclesiarch palace iirc, not the imperial one

[final spruce]

Well Trump being Goge isnt too far off aswell

[storm jungle]

LMAO

also imperium has no twitter

but im sure Goge was still blocked

[final spruce]

Oh both dilara

I need the titan size chart

@storm jungle

I want to bully an imperial stan

[storm jungle]

On it fam

Hobo's:

Mine:

use em well

[final spruce]

I shall

Oh the guy is a commissar cosplayer

Kinda cringe

[storm jungle]

Best of luck lol

[final spruce]

Stan obliterated

Thanks dilara

[ionic blaze]

Why no comparison to cathedrals tho

[lofty storm]

There aren't any cathedrals small enough to compare them to.

[ionic blaze]

I mean

[final spruce]

Cant use Notre Dame as a comparison anymore aswell

[lofty storm]

LMFAO

[ionic blaze]

The largest one is 130 meters tall

😔

[lofty storm]

Tiny little baby Titans.

The baby from Honey I Blew Up the Kid is bigger than some stupid Titan.

[ionic blaze]

Honey i Blew Up The Heretics

[lofty storm]

https://youtu.be/k3TYpGyH4JU

[rose thorn]

Aren’t there Titans with like, full on cities on them?

If so that would be a cool setting for like, a killteam fight

Second question, are there environment rules for the new killteams?

Like flooding, super windy, earth quakes, plant life and so on?

[dull osprey]

That would be a cool theme, yeah the larger ones like Emperor class have that stuff on them

[dull osprey]

They haven't gone that in-depth yet, that would be great

[lofty storm]

Not official I don't think, but people can always homebrew special environmental rules/hazards.

https://youtu.be/o5r1ZhVvuAc

Good example.

Very nicely tuned environmental effects.

[atomic pelican]

pyramid head drukhari returns again to play on tabletop I see

[rose thorn]

Yup! That was a good video-

[plush mason]

iirc that was when the sisters of battle first fought

ofc they wherent known by that name at the time

[peak hamlet]

Gotchu fam

[plush mason]

?

[peak hamlet]

Titan size comparison to cathedral

Or what exactly was your question?

[plush mason]

i thought titans where massive

like arent warlord class 90 meters tall?

[peak hamlet]

Warlord are 32 meters

[plush mason]

what did they shrink them down?

[peak hamlet]

No, the loge is just a gigantic clusterfuck lol

[odd sparrow]

They got sized up by black library authors

so the sizes in art and novels are v inconsistent

[plush mason]

32 meters is not a very impressive titan

[odd sparrow]

between about 15m for warhounds to 50m-ish for imperators are the lower estimates that tend to be used for tabletop

cus the super big fuckoff mountain sized interpretations aren't very viable to make models of at virtually any scale

[peak hamlet]

Thats exacly the point

They arent the size of mountains

Not nearly

Also 32 meters is still very impressive, if you just walk around a corner and there is a 32 meters high murderrobot standing and looking at you youd still shit ur pants

[plush mason]

hell i wouldnt even call that a titan

[plush mason]

seeing as the word titan refers to beings that stood higher than the clouds its not

[odd sparrow]

it's still a v big mech

[plush mason]

yeah

[odd sparrow]

i way prefer the interpretation cus it's like. feasible as a gravity thng

[plush mason]

warhammer 40k is not known for its realistic nature tho

like the bolter

[peak hamlet]

Yee a 1km high titan is just dumb, you can hit it from pretty much anywhere, hes likely to just fall over and metal just doesnt work like that, he would just collapse

[plush mason]

nore can a mass reactive 75 caliber gyrorocket cut thru 9 ranks of people in a single volly

[peak hamlet]

75 can easily punch through 9 ppl irl lol

Humans are very soft

[plush mason]

its a mass reactive exlosive

so it will exlopde on the first impact

so it cant travel thru them

said round also would not be able to explode inside a person unless the mass reactive nature is always delayed

[peak hamlet]

Well yeah thats obvious, im 99% sure that they can somehow alter the delay tho

[odd sparrow]

i think all that is kinda more believable than a ridiculous stompy mech as high as a mountain that should immediately collapse

[peak hamlet]

Like if it just explodes first hit the super hard tip they got makes like 0 sense

[final spruce]

Imagine what would happen if you managed to land a solid shot in the knee or one of its little elgs

Boom suddenly giant asset down

[plush mason]

i agree with yall compleatly

but warhammer isnt known for its practical and realistic weaponry 😛

[final spruce]

Oh yeah but like the main lore guy came and set up those meters and said to the authors to shut the fuck up

[plush mason]

fair

[peak hamlet]

Well yeah but the "small" sizes they got is canon

[final spruce]

So we know those heights are definitive

[peak hamlet]

Since its like the only exact height we got

[final spruce]

What's his name again, Alain something ?

[peak hamlet]

No idea man :(

[plush mason]

i just dont agree with him as it takes the fun out of them. but he is the boss

[peak hamlet]

Eh i think these sizes are a lot more fun

[final spruce]

I mean the Imperator is still a big ass mech

Ah I found the name

Alan Bligh

[barren tapir]

On the contrary i think it make them more fun because more reasonable

[plush mason]

all this talk about titans reminded me freeblade exists lol

[vast frigate]

that game is like

kinda fun

But it got tiring after a while

it did give amazing modelling ideas

[plush mason]

yeah nothing like being a 40 foot tall death mechine

[vast frigate]

double melta and chainswords come to mind

[distant fable]

Man episode 9 of angels of death was good

10 better top it

[marsh grail]

So what is Belisarius Cawl’s specialty? Which type of tech priest is he? Logis, Genetor, Artisan? I didn’t think he was a biologis because he looks rather ordinary yet he made primaris marines, but didn’t he also improve tank designs too? Is he unspecialized and simply has lived long enough to study all fields?

[tender igloo]

he's whatever the writers need him to be at any given moment

[plush mason]

iirc a some what tolerated heretek lol

a lot of his work is litteraly tech heresy

[marsh grail]

Well everyone loves a bad idea when it works

[plush mason]

but when the emperor himself sanctioned it there isnt much people can do

[marsh grail]

That too.

[barren tapir]

He is an archmagos, which pretty much mean that he delved in many branches of knowledge

IIRC his title is archmagos dominus

[plush mason]

hm dominus are the millitant ones right?

the ones that command the skitarii

[barren tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-well-yes-no-yes-yes-no-gif-13736934

They are also the most experienced ones

And since they most senior one get the honour to lead the campaign it is also the one that lead the skitarii

[plush mason]

btw as the mechanicus game on steam as me confused on it. is a magi and a fabrecator-general the same thing or different?

[barren tapir]

Different

But can be also the same

It depend...

It is complicated

[plush mason]

yeah

[final spruce]

Those are different ranks

[barren tapir]

In general a magos is someone who become an expert in a peculiar discipline, and since they are the ones that amass the most various knowledge they tend to end being the ones in charge, which are called fabricator-general

[final spruce]

A magi is a high rank Mechanicus whatever the branch he /she is in, the Fabricator General is the leader of the entirety of the Admech

[ionic blaze]

He was OG a tech priest

[plush mason]

also on the matter of mechanicus. are all the tech priests of metalica like the arch lecter?

[barren tapir]

The what?

[ionic blaze]

Apprentice to a magos that was studying soul merge tech

And then he soul merged her plus one of the greatest biologus of the time

[plush mason]

in the game you have 2 aids. one is from stycia 7 and is called the tech aqusitioner. the other is an arch lecter from metalica. he is way way more priest than tech

[barren tapir]

Ah, ok, well, it depend on the individual tech-priest

[plush mason]

he litteraly cant go more than a few lines without quoting one of the admech's holy scriptures

[barren tapir]

Each forge world can also have different titles than the norm, but in practice they are the same with the standard organization

[ionic blaze]

So yeah technically Cawl’s specialty is soul/mind merging

[plush mason]

it may be he is just from a really srict puritan sect if such a thing exists among the mechanicus

[barren tapir]

Yes, i don't remember the sthick of metallica, but i think they are all about the purity of machine... Well, maybe better to say were lol...

[plush mason]

the pure white robes with the red outline show as much lol

[barren tapir]

IIRC they are the one forge world where they exterminated all biological living beings and it is purely a machine world thing

[plush mason]

yeah i know little about the forge worlds

tho i 100% agree with stycia's view

what do you call those tech priests that are always trying to use xeno tech to make human tech better?

[barren tapir]

It depend, some call them heretek, other call them visionary... If you are referring to their sect it is xenarite

[plush mason]

yeah the xenarites

[errant mauve]

He's a biologis

Or should I say

Was a biologis

As of rn he's officially a Dominus

[odd sparrow]

dominus 😳

[barren tapir]

Yes, i wonder what the female version of that title would be

[errant mauve]

Domina

Don't get any pervy ideas

[barren tapir]

Oh, i don't

[storm jungle]

Late but just to remind

the admech's hierarchy is complicated af

but as others said Cawl pretty much stands above a lot of this

the "[---]" blank bit is pretty much where you place the secondary "Dominus" rank he has

[plush mason]

i dont see magi anywhere

[storm jungle]

Magi is the plural of Magos

[plush mason]

ohhhh

[storm jungle]

A Magos (plural Magi) is a high ranking member of the Adeptus Mechanicus and are devoted disciples of the principles associated with the Machine God. These individuals have perfected as well as refined their field of expertise making them masters of a certain discipline.

[plush mason]

ok that makes a lot more sense

[storm jungle]

Yeee

latin moment

[plush mason]

well magi isnt latin

its persion

[errant mauve]

@storm jungle Cawl's current role is effectively outside the Admech hierarchy

while on paper he's Archmagos Dominus

[plush mason]

as i said sanctioned heretek

[errant mauve]

He was granted Dominatus Dominus, the Master of Masters, by Guilliman

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

my bad

one of the reasons this admech board is so complex is because GW pulls any new rank out of their ass without context half the time lmao

[plush mason]

i dont know if i want to see the ministorim's board

[errant mauve]

Cawl has the Ron Swanson "I do what I want" card

[errant mauve]

for real

[scenic bolt]

the problem of expansion of product lines with the problem of old lore

[errant mauve]

mfs straight up reworked a huge chunk in 8th

my homebrew FW:

[storm jungle]

The ministorum uh

[plush mason]

how ever the hell its spelled

[storm jungle]

If you mean the Church this is it

[plush mason]

oh wait i ment adminastorim

[storm jungle]

AH 1 sec

[errant mauve]

Administratum organization

[storm jungle]

you would be right its complex

and this is a "general" one

[plush mason]

iirc those are the poor fools that have tried to run the imperium for the past 10k years

[ionic blaze]

Christ

Of course they lose a planet every second, i can barely keep track of who’s the boss of who

[plush mason]

also is the imperium's justice system really as bad as i have heard?

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

its parodical so thats the core issue

Arbites are trained to protect imperial office workers more than its actual citizens

theres a literal lor eexcerpt where it says if someone throws a rock next to some random citizen the arbites is next to they'll do jackshit

BUT god forbid you threw it at an administratum worker? They're gonna beat you to death

since you're ""technically"" sabotaging official imperial efforts

[ionic blaze]

To be fair

[plush mason]

from what i have read the arbites are a bit like FBI and the enforcers are the actual police force

[storm jungle]

Kind of

they're pretty much the ultimate parody of police brutality

[ionic blaze]

If that guy was keeping tabs on the planet Assendus Oworldus and he dies that’s just a lost planet right there

[plush mason]

they look like Judge Dredd knock offs so yeah

[storm jungle]

They were ripoffs of him so yep

the entire bucket helmet is a perfect match

[plush mason]

lol

also whats so special about the arbite's shotgun?

[storm jungle]

The primary weapon of the Arbites is the combat shotgun. It is valued for its stopping power, simplicity, reliability, and for its ability to intimidate. Even the most dusty, ancient Judge haunting the Halls of Judgement on Terra will have cut his teeth on the brutally effective shotgun drills which form the foundation of all Arbites combat training.

Over-engineered by a considerable margin, the weapon is also perfectly capable of being used as a large club— indeed, it is expressly designed with this secondary purpose in mind. It is also designed for maximum psychological impact, with a very audible pump action (standard Arbites riot training makes use of this). The sound of a hundred Arbitrators simultaneously chambering their weapons has ended countless riots over the millennia.

[cerulean wagon]

🙏

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/police-trouble-oh-no-gif-7744617

[plush mason]

dont the arbites use these discustingly tanky SWAT van like things? torax i think they are called

[final spruce]

I know Guards use Taurox so I wouldn't be surprised if they did aswell

[eternal ledge]

I've read stories where they have Tauroxes and Rhinos

I can't help but think of rhinos with flashers and sirens

[plush mason]

i saw art work once of rioters crawling up a taurox as arbites stood on time and where fighting them off

or maybe it was genestealer cultists

[storm jungle]

Oh no those are zombies

Particularly victims of the Zombie Plague™️, something GW made up in the mid 2000's when the zombie movie craze was going around the entire film industry

[ionic blaze]

I mean

Poxwalkers exist nowadays

They really don’t look like zombies tho

More like a weird clown group

[dull osprey]

Back in the day they had Rhinos and Chimaeras, then also yeah they had an APC thing

[scenic bolt]

they had more explicit zombie models especially when they were trying to do the lost and the damned, which also coincided with their rebranding to make their IP more copywrite friendly

but yea the zombies got shelved and sorta brought back as poxwalkers

[plush mason]

yeah thats the one

[vast frigate]

i love this

there is so much lore on the church, the munitorum, the adepta sororita, the entire navy

Yet the adeptus mechanicus have the most extensively documented chart of them all because they are ALL so fucking petty with their ranks

LOOK AT THE FUCKING THING

and this isnt even all of it for fucks sake

[plush mason]

i didnt think it could get worse

i guess i should have

[rose thorn]

Quick question, what are chaos space marines that try to become loyalist again called?

[scenic bolt]

deathwatch blackshields are rumored to be former heretics

since they all have no chapter and theres been instance in lore they have traitor geneseed when tested

[plush mason]

i thought the imperium's stance on heretics was "redeemtion thru death"

[rose thorn]

What was that like

Legion of the damned

[scenic bolt]

like anything 40k related you got people'd that follow it to the letter and see that as a capital punishment or others who are more pragmatic like some watchmasters and if you get some use out of them before they die in combat then more's the same

legion of the damned's seperate, theyre basically the 40k equivalent of the green knight

[plush mason]

isnt that the main differance between the puritan and radical factions of the inqusition?

[vast frigate]

Legion of the damned are the emperors angels