Thats why i excluded tau humans, but yee just wait till gw discovers the diasporex and decides to eradicate them for no reason other than "look imperium fighing"
#40k-lore-chat
peak hamlet
scenic bolt
its not exactly established if the watchers are actual xenos or just abhumans
storm jungle
All Tomorrows is the most realistic depiction of alien contact tbh
they just come in
destroy us
fervent prawn
i like legion of the damned
fervent prawn
and stuff
visual pumice
district 9 is probs pretty accurate aswell
peak hamlet
I dont think the watchers in the dark are xenos or abhumans, they seem more like something warp-born
storm jungle
jawas are great
fervent prawn
secrets
visual pumice
i'm a lekgolo enjoyer myself 
peak hamlet
Im not gonna goole that, can you describe it?
visual pumice
storm jungle
its the Hunters from Halo
they are basically worms forming into a body covered in armor
storm jungle
Yeee its very cool
visual pumice
hyperintelligent aswell
visual pumice
mmmmmmmmmmmm
fervent prawn
peak hamlet
this is their exposed sides showing the worms
Dont stick your dick in there atlas
visual pumice
bro
peak hamlet
We all know you would
visual pumice
i'mma hit up colony
storm jungle
lmao
visual pumice
storm jungle
yeah their body is a colony iirc
visual pumice
Threesome
storm jungle
and they are usually paired up with another hunter which is their bond-mate
visual pumice
when the colony gets too big it splits in two to remain healthy
so a hunter pair is the same entity more or less
storm jungle
Damn
storm jungle
ngl i love how they make this much lore for an enemy you see like 5 times in all halo games
its neat
visual pumice
plus in recruiting them, grunts said no and had their planet glassed
fervent prawn
scenic bolt
the halo books werent terrible either, prolly on the whole average against an average black library book
visual pumice
yeah most are fine
fervent prawn
visual pumice
i know people didn't like the odst one because they expected more from the characters
storm jungle
doesnt Rookie get killed in that too lol
cerulean wagon
this is their exposed sides showing the worms
so your telling me that they are a worm that walks
scenic bolt
the halo lore also goes off in entirely weird and prolly unnecessary tangents
visual pumice
worms* that walk
cerulean wagon
cerulean wagon
worm that walks
storm jungle
the halo lore also goes off in entirely weird and prolly unnecessary tangents
How bad is it
fervent prawn
scenic bolt
Like the fact that 50,000 years ago the humans were like high tech, we're talking using black holes as an ordinance, and were allied with the prophets
cerulean wagon
OH YEAH THE NEW LORE
scenic bolt
and the forerunners fought a war against that
storm jungle
WHAT
cerulean wagon
humans used to be high tech space native americans
scenic bolt
and ended up nuking humanity back into the stone age and glassing the prophets
thats why prophets hate humans and were staunchly against letting the humans into the covenants
scenic bolt
cause the elites and grunts were definite yes-es to inviting us
visual pumice
yeah
some stupid name for them
the can like walk properly and do acrobatics and stuff
storm jungle
GOD
thats so weird to think about
its like imagining custodians being sneaky
it doesnt work
cerulean wagon
but dilara
custodes are sneaky in lore
because theres nothing custodes can't do
plucky moth
they can't be interesting
peak hamlet
there is nothing they can't do
They cant be not racist
visual pumice
dame
cerulean wagon
they can't be interesting
actually yeah you got me there
plucky moth
maybe emps at this point is trying his hardest to just convince the imperium to let him die by being a massive cunt and the imperium just keeps ignoring it
visual pumice
pretty sure that is lore no?
plucky moth
it wouldn't surprise me
visual pumice
it's my lore
scenic bolt
he's just constantly messing with the imperium in the hopes that if enough things fail his life support gets kicked
dim totem
can custodes be chill and laid back?
storm jungle
Yep
en-masse appearances they tend to be faceless grunts but alone they are really chill
You can probably sit down and talk philsophy with one in a quiet room
plucky moth
bruh this is the lore channel
final spruce
@cerulean wagon "Almost every man and woman toils in misery either on the battlefield – where survival is measured in hours –" 15 hours canon again Skelly
plucky moth
cerulean wagon
has been since the book
final spruce
I just like to bother you with that
storm jungle
destroyed™️
vast frigate
https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-get-the-fuck-out-stomp-mlp-gif-11137494
Chief just saying, nobody here cares for those memes
Like not to be an ass to you but its just a headsup
storm jungle
no
cerulean wagon
if ur gonna do it for fun keep it in #darktide-memes
peak hamlet
Man there is little i hate more than these "DeUs VuLt" memes
storm jungle
Assassins Creed 1 Moment™️
primal tide
heresyposting and deus vult crap is a well known carcinogen
errant yacht
A dumb question, but how do the Iron Hands view Primaris Marines? I have always assumed that they'd dismiss them as things that can't already be accomplished by cybernetically enhancing a firstborn Astartes
proper helm
why do that when you can e n h a n c e the primaris?
errant yacht
Probably because half the chapter is missing the requisite internal organs to survive crossing the Rubicon
In fact, I think most Iron Hands are permanently attached to whatever armor they were wearing at the time since the prosthetics are made to fit power or terminator armor
storm jungle
Shhh
DONT QUESTION IT
But also jokes aside; we don't know.
A lot of the major chapters got a "How do they react to Primaris" fluff but with the Hands theres been... honestly not much. I don't think anything at all
cursive hull
Probably a case of GW forgetting the Iron Hands exist.
crisp heath
Imo iron hand just accept them, they are logical, Primaris are better Space Marine, so a better Space Marine with augmentics is better
BETTER
Iron Hand imo is this a program with If/Or xD
storm jungle
Yeah that is the most likely approach
since their entire mindset is just "dont be weak and u good man"
errant mauve
Probably a case of GW forgetting the Iron Hands exist.
This is the case
Effectively the only mention of IH primaris is just a couple bits of template art and some mentions of IH riding repulsors in the SM codex and IH supplement
vast frigate
A dumb question, but how do the Iron Hands view Primaris Marines? I have always ...
Dont worry, there are no dumb questions
Unless you purposely ask something thats just been explained, the question had a reason to be asked to begin with, because you didn't know/couldnt find the answer
especially in here, considering we kinda ignore the Hurdur heresy stuff
primal tide
This is the case
Tfw you forget about iron hands as much as gw
vast frigate
lmao
primal tide
inferior iron themed legion
errant mauve
rose thorn
errant yacht
I dunno, i don't see the Iron Hands turning to the wisdom of some supernatural beings for their cybernetics
cerulean wagon
whaddya think the chaos gods are?
errant yacht
A crutch for the Iron Warriors to lean on
storm jungle
@errant mauve
errant yacht
Speakin' of iron gits... (non-canon) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEV9lBEptWs
errant yacht
Don't they also consort with daemons and vile magicks to further enhance their cybernetics?
errant mauve
So
It's less making deals with daemons
and more forcibly yanking one out of the warp, beating it up, and then stuffing it into a train.
cerulean wagon
and more trapping them like pokemon
errant mauve
Which an Iron Warrior did do.
Chaos' relation with the IW is interesting, since they (and arguably AL) largely have the broadest possible relationship with the gods
spanning from completely atheistic IW warbands to full out chaos worshippers
But for the most part, Daemons don't like Iron Warriors and they certainly don't like getting wrangled into Tractors
tender igloo
paragraph incoming, so forgive my spiel
i've said this a couple times already but i want to say it again: the reason i love 40k is because it shows the worst possible outcome for humanity. it shows them reduced to a society so blinded by hate and superstition that they destroy anything and anyone that goes against them even in the slightest way with no hope of things ever improving. barely surviving against numerous alien species that either want to completely annihilate them or use them for their own purposes while also defending against literal daemons that want to use humanity as a tool to consume the galaxy into never ending chaos.
i love my sci-fi very dystopian, so to me this setting is the zenith of that. i understand that stuff changes over time, but i hope that even as it changes they can keep part of the core of what makes 40k interesting and fun to take part in: humanity is doomed, and it's all their own fault
final spruce
Thats a point of view that works but I feel like the more I read the newer books and more that the Imperium isnt losing anymore.
proper helm
I saw a take on another server that the Octarius Conflict is revealing that even with Guilliman at the helm, the Imperium genuinely can't actually compete against threats greater than the galactic equivalent of colonial bush wars.
It's system is designed to work in the exact opposite way that wars against nominal equals are won
cerulean wagon
Thats a point of view that works but I feel like the more I read the newer books...
this is why you don't read any main line books
storm jungle
I swear it has
i saw it on a r40klore post last summer
lemme see...
@frosty cobalt https://tcrepo.com/downloads/warhammer-40k-galaxy-map/
Pick your poison
frosty cobalt
i saw it on a r40klore post last summer
p sure thats where i ripped it from
plucky moth
Sourcy
serene jungle
Who would be the most likely to side with the Farsight Enclave?
primal tide
Spiderman
serene jungle
rose thorn
WHAT THE FUCK, SLAANESH CORRUPTED A GREY KNIGHT???
peak hamlet
😳
rose thorn
I MEAN THE KNIGHT LITERALLY WAS TOUCHED BY HIM
peak hamlet
Damn
rose thorn
BUT WHAT THE FUCK
peak hamlet
Oh god brace for the incoming "grey knights cant be corrupted reeee" impact
vast frigate
well sort of corrupted
rose thorn
So, SLAANESH FOR THE WIN BABY
rose thorn
He literally fell to his knee after Slaanesh took off his armor, that’s fucking crazy
barren tapir
IIRC it is not stated to be a grey knight directly
vast frigate
a knight in shining silver armor
peak hamlet
Literal feudal world knight lmao
vast frigate
LMAO
rose thorn
Lmao
storm jungle
@rose thorn Yeah its never said to be a grey knight but its like the only one that makes sense
Especially since the guy gets past ALL the circles and only gets defeated by being touched by a literal god
rose thorn
Even being touched by a literal god doesn’t really mean Grey knights are corruptible
It’s just the god’s influence is so powerful even if a world learns of the idea of him, it’s going to fall to chaos in days.
So, there is nothing you can really do about that???
barren tapir
There is one thing... Being a blank... SoS T posing on all demons and warp entities
rose thorn
But even if a god touches that blank, the blank is gonna fucking implode
barren tapir
The problem with that is once again the imperium take on blanks lol... The imperium is the worst enemy of mankind
barren tapir
But even if a god touches that blank, the blank is gonna fucking implode
Maybe not
rose thorn
The problem with that is once again the imperium take on blanks lol... The imper...
Fr tho
barren tapir
But even if a god touches that blank, the blank is gonna fucking implode
Lets not assume things, it is possible that a blank simply couldn't be touched by warp entities, no matter their strength in the warp
rose thorn
Isn’t a blank’s soul just sitting around in the warp though?
barren tapir
Last time a lot of blanks were grouped on the warp was being simply removed from the place
barren tapir
Isn’t a blank’s soul just sitting around in the warp though?
No
Blanks have no "soul", they have no connection to the warp, on the contrary they remove the warp
Where a blank is warp cannot be
rose thorn
Blanks aren’t invulnerable to the warp, they can still be killed by demons and crap.
barren tapir
Blanks, in this case SoS, were used after the cicatrix maledictum formation to becalm the warp storms making warp travel slightly less dangerous
barren tapir
Blanks aren’t invulnerable to the warp, they can still be killed by demons and c...
Demons cannot maintain their form near blanks, and cannot see blanks, blanks cannot be harmed by direct warp projectiles, but can be killed by a piece of metal moved with warp powers yes
Well, really strong demons can keep their form, but they would be in pain and striving to maintain it
rose thorn
Blanks nullify all the warp bull fuckery, but they can still be killed via physical means
barren tapir
Yes, they are biological living beings still
rose thorn
This also when we have to consider, table top to lore, a blood letter can still hack up a sister is silence
barren tapir
Just untouchable by the warp and its entities
TT go for balance, lore is different
TBH i'm expecting GW to retcon the lore on the blanks, since they wouldn't accept something that simply negate what GW want to be the big baddy that is chaos... As now they simply are the solution to chaos
cerulean wagon
This also when we have to consider, table top to lore, a blood letter can still ...
this is true yeah
SoS do not banish demons simply by existing, so the demons can still strike them down
it'd hurt being near them, but it'd hurt less once they are dead
primal tide
He literally fell to his knee after Slaanesh took off his armor, that’s fucking ...
uwu
final spruce
SoS do not banish demons simply by existing, so the demons can still strike them...
It's exactly what happens in Watchers I believe, the Greater daemon knows the SoS is here but can't sense them so he predicts his attack to kill them
barren tapir
Yes, the greater demons can "feel" them, but cannot see them, it aims his weapon based on where he see other demons being cut down or simply smaterialize
And i would like to remember that that fight was inside the webway that was being flooded by the warp
Or at least i'm referring to that fight
In general a blank is capable of "killing" demons just by its mere presence
barren tapir
That was kharn
A CSM, not a demon
And lets be honest, at that point in the heresy a lot of people died dumb death that were required by plot but were just dumb, like alivia sureka
crisp heath
That was Kharn who chop The leader of SoS in HH ?
barren tapir
Yes
crisp heath
Sad
barren tapir
Jenetia Krole
Her blank "powers" were so great that even normal people couldn't see her, and only few could
crisp heath
XD
barren tapir
Yeah, like, kharn was just moving his axe around and boom, killed one of the greatest warriors of the imperium... Now if that isn't dumb i don't know what it is
crisp heath
That was a shitty death
ionic blaze
Cool thing about blanks, at least SOS, is that they’re one of the few things that can bring about true death to daemons
So even Nurgle critters are scared to fight then
marsh grail
Interesting so hypothetically an army of them could chip away at a chaos god?
barren tapir
Not really no, they can however make sure they cannot influence the materium
eternal ledge
That was a shitty death
Up there with the Sister of Battle that was crushed by a 800 pound planetary governor flying in a hover chair.
barren tapir
Interesting so hypothetically an army of them could chip away at a chaos god?
Blanks don't erase warp energy, they simple make so it cannot influence the materium... That is why blanks can still travel via warp travel... I think that a ship full of blanks could travel the warp without needing a gellar field, since they would generate one naturally
proper helm
Just gotta spread them evenly across the ship or potato storage bay #16 will gain sentience
dull osprey
Lol
ionic blaze
Not really no, they can however make sure they cannot influence the materium
I mean
Daemons are basically just lil pieces of the chaos gods
final spruce
Blanks don't erase warp energy, they simple make so it cannot influence the mate...
Black ships still have gellar field for obvious reasons
ionic blaze
So technically they are chipping away from them whenever they true death one
final spruce
Indeed but those gods are fed by the suffering of humans so there is no way to deal with them
ionic blaze
But it’s not like the chaos gods are sending a great percentage of their existence into the materium, you could kill all daemons there are and the gods would still have enough juice to make more
final spruce
Like youd need to ask all living sentient creatures to stop having emotions
ionic blaze
Like youd need to ask all living sentient creatures to stop having emotions
Even then the gods still have momentum from all the emotions and concepts they ate thru the time since WiH
If you turned all creatures into blanks and had them constantly harass chaos then maybe?
final spruce
This is where im trying to go, its impossible to beat Chaos
ionic blaze
And i mean ALL creatures
Since nurgle, for example, feed off even the decay of cells
Even concepts are delicious to them
So yeah, i don’t think that beating chaos is impossible, but it’s not going to be thru attrition
vast frigate
cum
atomic pelican
This post by CabalGang
final spruce
Oops
ionic blaze
Naw
See
Tyrannids
When you finish nomming all the materium, all that’s left is the immaterium
atomic pelican
Yeah essentially, tho p much every nonhuman faction 'winning' would do that
Humanity turbo feeds Chaos
Its why the Cabal was ready to let them self combust, to save the galaxy a slow death
But, that slow death happened(is happening)
Funnily enough, Eldrad was behind the Cabal being stopped from snuffing humanity's chances against Chaos
ionic blaze
Eh, i don’t trust the cabal for telling me the color of the sky
If horus won, sure chaos might’ve been snuffed
atomic pelican
Well, outside of what they said, it is true that humanity feeds Chaos and Horus wouldve seen his 'empire' just rend itself apatt
ionic blaze
But then the galaxy would be too devastated to grow back and fight the tyrannids
atomic pelican
The emperor's light is what attracted the nids
ionic blaze
Besides, it’s definetly not just humans who feed chaos
ionic blaze
The emperor's light is what attracted the nids
Oh damn that’s right, forgot that part lol
atomic pelican
It isnt. But like 99% of it is
The tau are weak souled, the aeldar are nearly extinct(and havd far better protection), orkz dont feed chaos at all
vast frigate
tho dont get me wrong, IIRC
the warp is localized
yknow, to our cluster
our spinny disc
ionic blaze
Ok, then i guess the Necrons would have killed everything? Either them or the orks
atomic pelican
Probs just the 3 major races left from the war over heaven fighting until someone won
Orkz, Aeldari, and Necrons
ionic blaze
As the Old Ones intended
Think the T’au might’ve come out winning
If the beast didn’t happen
atomic pelican
Possibly but hard to say. Assuming we followed the timeline from this 'alt' universe where the Cabal was succesful
The tau dont become relevsnt until what, like, 39k?
Just since they had to evolve
ionic blaze
They were within a warp storm thingie that kept things from killing them
atomic pelican
Yeee
Considering the Eldar have no real cares to fight the tau, and there are no major necron kingdoms in their space. Itd just be orkz to worru about early on.
Their main opponent in the prime timeline is the Imperium, so theu'd likely be more powerful in this one
ionic blaze
If the orks didn’t manage to grow a beast purely from infighting (since i doubt the eldar would provide the push back for them to grow like that) then i can see the T’au having a pretty healthy Species “childhood”
atomic pelican
Super powered too
ionic blaze
They might get into a screaming match with the dark elves
atomic pelican
I would assime Slaanesh continues existing albeit weaker
ionic blaze
But those guys have no reason to keep being dicks anymore
atomic pelican
Perhaps the Ynnari succeed in killing them
ionic blaze
Well this all depends on how long the slow burn the cabal had in mind for chaos
atomic pelican
Yee tru
ionic blaze
If they die out like a thousand years or so after the HH?
atomic pelican
I think in general, chaos would still existz just controllably so for quite awhile
ionic blaze
Yep
atomic pelican
Rather than the main threat to the galaxy internally
ionic blaze
Heck, i could see the Eldar pulling one from AoS and locking slaneesh away
atomic pelican
Oh BUT I will say one thing of note
It is very possible that, in the canon timeline, Eldrad saw something further along that the Cabal did not
I cannot see why else to turn against them
ionic blaze
I say it’s the T’au/Necrons/Orks kicking the eldar’s arse
atomic pelican
Humanity and the Aeldari are intertwined. So what did he foresee?
Yes! Very possible
ionic blaze
If the average elf is willing to blow up a human planet to save a single eldar life
They’d be willing to damn the galaxy if it meant their species got to survive it
atomic pelican
Eliminating humanity eliminates a tool for the aeldari to wield
ionic blaze
Yup
ionic blaze
I think that’s kinda cool
atomic pelican
It is!
ionic blaze
And i’d like the T’au to enter that dynamic
atomic pelican
Its also neat how it ties into actual plot points
ionic blaze
Much to the confusion of everyone else
I just don’t like how that path is just
Meh’d into semi irrelevance, kinda?
Humans are still killing eldar like no tomorrow
ionic blaze
And Guilliman is barely containing his disgust for the eldar envoy
atomic pelican
The best eldar lore is the classic eldar lore
ionic blaze
The Space Marine Elf lmao
atomic pelican
DHDH
cerulean wagon
atomic pelican
Its because the Ynnari got reduced to a supporting role then had their own plot canned because GW fear change
cerulean wagon
aspect warrior update when
atomic pelican
Sort of,
ionic blaze
Mostly because they got shafted in their own books
atomic pelican
Well yeah
storm jungle
aspect warrior update when
atomic pelican
Gav's writing sucks
cerulean wagon
specifically he 2nd eldar book was so bad
ionic blaze
I feel for you Eldar bros and sis
cerulean wagon
the 3rd got canned
for context descent
genestealers infected an avatar of khaine
A STATUE
atomic pelican
OH YEAH
storm jungle
OF MOLTEN MAGMA
ionic blaze
Sasuga tyrannids
cerulean wagon
IT WAS AN AVATAR BROODLORD HYBRID
atomic pelican
LMAO
ionic blaze
LIKE
I am very annoyed that they have a thousand and one excuse why there’s mostly only human genestealers
ionic blaze
“Oh the t’au have hormones, oh the orks can feel the unirkiness, oh the eldar attunes the magjicks”
ionic blaze
But cmon, THE avatar of khaine
storm jungle
Yeah the GSC suffer from "cant make minis for every species they invade"
ionic blaze
BUT
storm jungle
so its why its just humans
ionic blaze
BUT
ALL RACES LOOK THE SAME
Just go “yeah those are eldar gsc lmao” and it’s just a human gsc model but pretend the ears are spiky
ionic blaze
The problem is that lorewise there is a resistance
storm jungle
Yeah realistically speaking GSC are OP as fuck and would take over like half the galaxy
cerulean wagon
very rarely, infact that book was an entire GSC craftworld (but it was written like absolute shit)
ionic blaze
Ahh
ionic blaze
Yeah realistically speaking GSC are OP as fuck and would take over like half the...
If you have each species their own containment methods, kinda nah?
cerulean wagon
tau arent immune cause to GSC either, and the broodmind over rides any oercieved tau control
only time ive seen it touched on tho is Ciaphas cain
ionic blaze
They already say the tau can smell the hormones, the orks can feel the unorkiness and the eldar can sense the wrongness, humans are just so puritan about mutation that it’s just as efficient as those methods
cerulean wagon
If you have each species their own containment methods, kinda nah?
but thats the thing, even the imperium has a proven method to check for stealers n get rid of em
ionic blaze
And have it be rare that a gsc takes over a planet
atomic pelican
Yee, GSC can infect basically anything with genes
cerulean wagon
the defences arent absolute for any favtion
atomic pelican
Eldar used to have a caveat to the infection
But no longer apparently
The caveat was, They must want to be infected
ionic blaze
But not any much rarer for any given race
ionic blaze
The caveat was, *They must want to be infected*
Whaaaaaa
storm jungle
Yee eldar can get infected, the problem is its the same logic as the orks
they'd instantly notice
ionic blaze
Oh yeah give me that sexy ovopositor gurl
atomic pelican
Basically, the rsre few who do, do so to have perma slaanesh protection
cerulean wagon
^
ionic blaze
Makes sense
atomic pelican
Its actually a part of my cult, which captured a drukhari raiding party FHRH
ionic blaze
None if the Ynnead exists tho right
cerulean wagon
basically lore wise all biological factions can and often do get GSC infections, the rate of infection is regional however as there are only a few active hive tendrils
ionic blaze
Doesn’t Ynnead protects against slaneesh too?
ionic blaze
Cegorach’s more of a gamble innit? Bet that your god can trick Slaneesh for your soul back
cerulean wagon
but not all eldar are aware of, belive in or trust said god yet
atomic pelican
Yeep
cerulean wagon
since its a fresh chaos god in all essence, and theres no proof you arent signing one evil away for another
atomic pelican
Nah cegorach has guaranteed protectiom EXCEPT for Solitaires
Unless u literally get eaten by a GUO
Solitaires are.. weird
I will explaim whem home if no one else does
He still TRIES to help solitaires
ionic blaze
Then you get to hang out with Isha
primal tide
King of Queens but it's nurgle & isha
atomic pelican
Solitaires were apart of the bargain between Slaanesh and Cegorach. Their souls are forfeit to Slaanesh when they die, but while they live, they need not limit themselves because they are already forfeit
They are
Rlly op
Because they are pre-fall aeldsr levels
- the backing of a god
But they are forever pariahs
As they play the role of Slaanesh
Cegorach still tries to win their souls bafk, but unlkkely
vast frigate
Ynnead could play funky munky on their souls tho
technically all eldar souls belong to them now
atomic pelican
Not quite. Just followers
Ynnesd doesnt have that kind of power
If the Yncarne was powerful enough to do thst, every eldar psyker in the galaxy would experience a power boost and the drukhari's waning would lessen
Ynnead just provides protection for followers/those near/important(Eldrad). Same for Cegorach
Oh I completelt misread on my phone and went on a tangent
Well, some still applies 
slow prawn
King of Queens but it's nurgle & isha
I accept this as long as Cegorach is Arthur
And fuck it, the rest of Doug’s friends are the other gods
primal tide
frasier but its E and malcador
slow prawn
Mash but with Gaunt’s Ghosts and Ciaphas Cain characters
marsh grail
Eliminate humanity
So the tyranids are the good guys?
proper helm
So I know the Imperium is pretty superstitious about tech, but are there any references to how it generally is about medicine, doctors, human biology?
atomic pelican
I think they're called Medicae, like a regular doctor equal
There's also Genators of the AdMech who study biology/genetics
I imagine it depends alot on the planet, presumably more well off planets, or even just like, middle+ planets have their own institutions of medicine which train medicae for clinics/hospitals of sorts
For lower populations, going to be relying on ripper docs and other.. shadier means of getting treatment
I don't think medicine/human biology/etc has as much stigma around it as technology
primal tide
Yeah, the imperiums got kind of a fixation on the human form in general
Compared to other tech, efforts to maintain the body are at least slightly more based
scenic bolt
Their knowledge of medicine is easily better than present day, given to the relative commonality of prosthetics and cybernetic implants (speaking towards what a 40k player encounters and not a imperial citizen) as well as the process of gene editing and the general procedures of creating a space marine (bastardized forms of which can be found in some relatively powerful hiver gangs).
So most of their issues probably stem from everything else in the imperium, it being a perpetual state of war likely closes off supply and knowledgeable professionals to the average person as those things are likely funneled purely into the war effort or the direct support of its supply.
barren tapir
Black ships still have gellar field for obvious reasons
Yes, and that is that aren't fully crewed by blanks, and that they have normally shitton of psykers, you don't want to even slightly risk them having full access to the warp
barren tapir
Daemons are basically just lil pieces of the chaos gods
They are, but again, blanks don't erase warp energy, not normally
barren tapir
So I know the Imperium is pretty superstitious about tech, but are there any ref...
We know that they care a lot, even the mechanicus has the genetors, like Proud jeanstealer said, which are expert at biological stuff... Then we have the hospitaliers, which can track their origin back to the great crusade... The administratum also has a medicae office that manage this stuff on a imperium level... Then each world might have peculiars organizations that take care of medicine and biological stuff
storm jungle
Cursed lore
vast frigate
he couldve also moved his rifle to his off hand
cmon now, clearly he uses his feet to fire
frosty cobalt
he couldve also moved his rifle to his off hand
Main shoulder pad is on the right, so he would be putting that shoulder forward, therefor left handed
vast frigate
left footed*
plucky moth
based tau embracing ambidexterity
rose thorn
There a reason that there are so many goat Slaanesh demons?
Like I get the crabs, because crabs are the perfect life form
But goats?
Also why does tzeetch have tzaangors?
cursive hull
I'm going to go out on a limb and presume its because of the connection to Satyrs when it comes to Slaanesh
As for Tzeentch? Fuck if I know.
rose thorn
My guess for the tzaangors, beast men wanna be smart??
cursive hull
Given beastmen hate civilization, probably something more to do with magic
rose thorn
I guess maybe beast men also like BDSM???
cursive hull
Given older beastmen lore...
rose thorn
Lmao
In 40k, beastmen were kicked out of society for being too inhuman
Then that explains tzaangors even less
Because beastmen were a humans
Abhumans*
But then
Why don’t they follow Khrone or Nurgle???
plush mason
fantasy battles beastmen on the other hand....
lets just say the older lore was very slaanesh approved
vast frigate
My mainstay conviction for the gors are just beastmen
rose thorn
Oh yea I forgot they are different things— I only know AoS as far as Vermintide
rose thorn
Oh
signal hill
Vermintide was the one good thing coming from the endtimes. I still wonder why the Heck aos became a thing and why Fantasy hat to die for it
cerulean wagon
because it was hard to work with fantasy without a reset, because as amazing as it was it was built on some pretty shit foundations that meant certain areas of the world couldn't be touched upon
signal hill
I guess that makes a certain sense, still, i think there could've been more elegant solutions
And the end Times could've helped with that If done properly
cerulean wagon
ye they rushed it a bit but here we are
atleast aos is looking a lot better now than it did at launch
odd sparrow
Yee aos is great now, tho it doesn't change how janky end times was
storm jungle
Fantasy basically got assassinated instead of being allowed to retire if that makes sense
because Corpos
primal tide
Fantasy was turned into fertilizer to grow something actually profitable
peak hamlet
Eh fantasy worked fine for the past 30 years or so, saying it wasnt profitable isnt quite right
dim totem
ill turn you into fertilizer
cerulean wagon
tbf it wasn't towards the end
primal tide
Eh fantasy worked fine for the past 30 years or so, saying it wasnt profitable i...
It was previously profitable. Then, it was no longer profitable. At which point, it wasn't profitable
Get turned to fertlizer 😎
peak hamlet
Ill fertilise you in a sec
primal tide
Haha very funny
.... unless?
peak hamlet
Haha very funny
.... unless?
😳
storm jungle
So, trivia of the day:
Epic 40k Kriegers had a couple vehicles that are basically technicals made out of land crawlers from their civil war, e.g. the Brunnenhilde.
They also had the Ragnarok and Gotterdammerung, and Marshal von Paulus as a character on their first appearance, being literally named after one of Hitler's generals
But yeah they were 100% german in conception from the looks of it sadly.
Their frenchy bits are honestly likely to be due to FW wanting trenchcoats that show legs and aren't like WHFB elves' legs.
visual pumice
looks cool tbh
peak hamlet
gw wants to give them a german name
writed gotterdammerung instead of götterdämmerung
💀
peak hamlet
Yee they look pretty pog
storm jungle
Tractor lookin' ass
visual pumice
i like the repurposed aesthetic
primal tide
Damn, Nazis ruined technicals too smh is nothing based safe from them anymore
storm jungle
fear
barren tapir
I mean, the fact that they wanted them to be inspired by germans was clear, the fact that they then became a mix of all WW1 make sense, i think it was too much even for old GW to have a clear german reich inspired regiment
errant mauve
Gotterndammerenrungen
barren tapir
Personally i don't get why people here get triggered when someone say DKoK are german, yeah, sure, it is kinda a red flag, but it is not wrong either
primal tide
Gottdamndatasserrungen
storm jungle
I mean, the fact that they wanted them to be inspired by germans was clear, the ...
Tell that to the krieg stans
insert nazi armband here
peak hamlet
Personally i don't get why people here get triggered when someone say DKoK are g...
Eh nobody gets triggered, its just the fact that they are pretty french
storm jungle
Kinda
barren tapir
I expect nothing from nazi, since krieg is more inspired by the previus german reich and had nothing to do with their beloved fools and assholes
storm jungle
like i said they are designed to be german
they are clearly moving away from it for mini purposes
barren tapir
And such move make sense
Like armageddon were clearly inspired by german paratroopers in WW2
Now they are moving away from that too
It is good? Yes
Those that mean they were never meant to be german mechanized infantry or paratroopers? Nope
peak hamlet
I expect nothing from nazi, since krieg is more inspired by the previus german r...
Eh many nazis love ww1 era germany too, they werent as bad as ww2 germany but still pretty terrible. Also ill stick to my point, they are more french than german, its pretty much only their german names and some iconography. They were designed to be basically "ww1 but its an ig regiment now"
Also begone big imperial ship
Also the sheer luck lmao
Also yes friendly fire is a thing 🥲
odd sparrow
BFG:A is amazing
tame fiber
Gottdamndatasserrungen
tame fiber
like i said they are designed to be german
So are Karl Franz and his boys and girls, if anything WHFB makes for some fun German grammar that some British dude made up.
storm jungle
So are Karl Franz and his boys and girls, if anything WHFB makes for some fun Ge...
Hm?
plush mason
the empire of man was based off the holy roman empire of the 1400s so its very very old german
even spoke a form of pusdo german called reikspiel
tame fiber
yeah and that one was big and splintered, but it's 40k here so I regress
40k uses latin mostly, makes it easier I guess
plush mason
iirc its rumored that one of the stormcast eternals is karl franz reborn
peak hamlet
the empire of man was based off the holy roman empire of the 1400s so its very v...
Almost. Its more based off the hre around early 16th to mid 17th century, still one of my favourite aestetics in warhammer fantasy
storm jungle
40k uses latin mostly, makes it easier I guess
I just see low gothic as english since im too lazy to wrap my head around whatever the in-universe gibberish is lmao
they over-explain it WAY too much and it doesnt make any sense
tame fiber
Almost. Its more based off the hre around early 16th to mid 17th century, still ...
Yeah cuz guns and stuff around the time Landsknechte were still around
storm jungle
Next you'll be telling me vikings wore horns 👀
tame fiber
Only when they were drunk probably
odd sparrow
they over-explain it WAY too much and it doesnt make any sense
high gothic is latin spoken by aristocrats and other ppl needing to communicate across diff worlds, low gothic is just the catch all name for whatever regional ass language the plebs are speaking
so english
tame fiber
they over-explain it WAY too much and it doesnt make any sense
I've played Dark Heresy, I know what you mean. It's better to imagine the Empire just speaking high latin all the time.
odd sparrow
cus actually addressing that in a novel is weird confusing nightmare
storm jungle
Yeeee
like the problem is this isnt LOTR
nobody is gonna sit down and detail out a language people can actually speak
odd sparrow
yep
storm jungle
so they just wave it away as people speaking some completely new language yet everything in-universe is in english for us to understand
plush mason
tbh that system sounds like what they used in china in the imperial era
storm jungle
and it just becomes A MESS
plush mason
and the system used in imperial rome
storm jungle
Yeah but thats the thing
they just put no effort into really establishing it
its why I just headcannon low gothic as english lmao
plush mason
it works
tame fiber
I forgot low gothic of the underhive, probably worse than all earthly slang combined.
tame fiber
they just put no effort into really establishing it
I mean the RPGs tried a bit as they must, but for the Tabletop fluff it's totally unnecessary, right.
peak hamlet
Yeah cuz guns and stuff around the time Landsknechte were still around
Yee exactly. Also the armor design in general
plush mason
Yee exactly. Also the armor design in general
did the holy roman empire even really exist by the 1600s? i cant remember
plush mason
really
peak hamlet
Yep
tame fiber
Thats still lazy worldbuilding imo
I still wish for the 40k MMO that would do that, but all we got was Eternal Crusade...
peak hamlet
It lasted for pretty much 1000 years
tame fiber
and now the genre is no more for Warhammer ATM
plush mason
I still wish for the 40k MMO that would do that, but all we got was Eternal Crus...
if only dark millinium hadnt died
tame fiber
It died with THQ
tender igloo
eternal crusade still haunts my dreams, even after its death
i genuinely feel bad for the people who sunk money into that game. they were so excited and got sold what was basically a scam
the 40k property is cursed when it comes to licensed games
scenic bolt
basically
it's basically like the 40k equivalent of a siege cannon, huge shell, not much propellant
proper helm
yeah fair, maybe I'm spoiled by all the other guard tank guns
atomic pelican
Yee, 72" is Alot
Honestly that kind of range doesnt matter much
Boards are p small now
Most 36" can hit near everything important
proper helm
My greatest tank joy so far is having a Tallarn commander catapult a demolisher up the board into range of the main anti-armor part of the other army
and just deleting it
atomic pelican
I usually run Nightspinners with my CWE, and they at 48" can cover p much the entire board hiding in the back
Legendary
Doesnt the deathstrike have some like, comically long range
Like 3000" or smthing
200" lmao
proper helm
Guard artillery feels like it was designed with a board the size of a football field
dull osprey
I remember back in the day my FLGS would hold events that would be multi table, and allow basilisk to hit other tables if they had the reach lol, to support other teammates
proper helm
lmao
atomic pelican
Guard artillery feels like it was designed with a board the size of a football f...
I think it was a bit more relevant awhile back, board sizes have kind of shrunk over editions
vast frigate
Tldr gw used to support big tables and homemade titans
dull osprey
Yeah
vast frigate
Artillery ranges are a leftover of them wanting to weirdly balance real artillery power and lore representation
But also help tt players with the issue that was titabs
dull osprey
I've been playing since the late 90s, I remember guess ranges lol
vast frigate
So deathsttike missiles got missile range and artillery...
proper helm
Guess ranges just seems so ridiculous to me nowadays
I get why they were a thing though. Gotta zero in the range on a target
if you don't get it in one go
dull osprey
Yeah. IMO people overblown how much a pain in the ass templates were. Maybe I'm just really lucky to have hade a great group where wearily agreed and if we didn't quickly agree we evolved off and moved on. I miss them, they Gabe me some good muh immersion
errant mauve
I've been playing since the late 90s, I remember guess ranges lol
Did someone in your gamestore ever cheat guess ranges? I have some (not so) fond memories of my dudes getting nailed over and over again 😂
lofty storm
I'm so tilted. I'm trying to hard to find a book about Titans right now and can't find the exact one.
dull osprey
Hahaha probably people tried but overall we all kept each other in check
dull osprey
I'm so tilted. I'm trying to hard to find a book about Titans right now and can'...
Like a novel or ?
lofty storm
A podcast mentioned there's a Titan book about the crew living inside of the Titan.
Yeah.
dull osprey
Titanicus?
lofty storm
Is that literally all it is? It's about the crew living inside? Like. A garden in the Titan and such?
errant mauve
Hahaha probably people tried but overall we all kept each other in check
Oh man we had a guard player that everyone thought was just really good with eying ranges, turns out he was strategically measuring ranges with his ruler when no one was looking 
vast frigate
atomic pelican
Guard moment
vast frigate
I have really good spacial insight
But like, there is a limit to how well anyone can guess that shit
atomic pelican
Im p happy with smaller boards. Concentrates action earlier + keeps shooting armies from becoming too oppressive
atomic pelican
Its just that kiting armies need changes, to come in their next codices
O dam
3k
vast frigate
That and you dont get the stuff admech could have been doing like tau did 1 edition ago
"I skip my movement phase"
errant mauve
How am I supposed to run perturabo inside his tin can of doom at 2k points 
vast frigate
Im nearing 6k with chadmech uwu
errant mauve
I set aside a whole day for 3k games 
Me and my group already banter a ton, most games wind up taking 6+ hours 
vast frigate
Yeeeee
lofty storm
Imperator: Wrath of the Omnissiah.
Gav Thorpe novel.
Yikes.
People have said his books are shit.
tender igloo
someone mentioned the name of the unholy one
lofty storm
I was told this is supposed to be an exceptional book though. About life literally inside of a Titan.
atomic pelican
lofty storm
The way it was described was really intersting.
And also it looks like it triggered a TON of readers.
Because he uses gender neutral pronouns for the princeps.
LMFAO
atomic pelican
LUL
errant mauve
Iron warriors, more like iron losers amirite <:lul:825836255853674540>
You are going to Brazil
tender igloo
you only make me stronger
errant mauve
barren tapir
They seems to have forgot a name... Monday...
peak hamlet
Forgot the dots above the "a"
Glad they got the ö right at least 😎
dim totem
ok böbö
storm jungle
What even is Götterdammerung?
storm jungle
Ah
dim totem
Twilight of the same maybe?
storm jungle
Yeah might be just germanic ragnarok
dim totem
I know the word in my own kanguage
dim totem
Dawn?
peak hamlet
Yeah might be just germanic ragnarok
Also yes, its a translation iirc
storm jungle
Ngl though I think this is the lore of 40k in a nutshell
peak hamlet
Lmfao
storm jungle
Its not like fantasy where you can actually imagine a SEMI-"Happy" ending with chaos being defeated
with 40k its ultimate fate is the entire galaxy beign destroyed when the reboot rolls around
until then MINIS
peak hamlet
Wasnt fantasy like everything ded now?
storm jungle
Yeeee but thats the thing
time and time again its established that the order factions can fuck chaos up repeatedly
dim totem
gimme whfb reboot
storm jungle
then they just get crippled because chaos has to win for the world to end
peak hamlet
gimme whfb reboot
Yess
storm jungle
With 40k its kind of granted since its speeeess
storm jungle
peak hamlet
Well yeah chaos wants to fuse reality into warp which would prolly be 40k's end time scenario
peak hamlet
Lmao
storm jungle
MOSTLY to see how bad they fuck it up
you know everyone is gonna complain about their favorite characters dying lmao
dim totem
i wonder what warhammer 40k: age of biggie will be like
storm jungle
i wonder what warhammer 40k: age of biggie will be like
My biggest guess would be that it would take place across multiple galaxies and have a bigger scope like AOS otherwise i got no idea
peak hamlet
Also that the crons close all warp rifts iirc, idk what will happen honestly
storm jungle
Yeee like thats another problem
cerulean wagon
My biggest guess would be that it would take place across multiple galaxies and ...
god i hope fucking not
dim totem
dim totem
multiple timelines 40k
cerulean wagon
stop making all my settong high fantasy
dim totem
red corsairs vs astral claws
storm jungle
Ngl the milky way being a wasteland and the homeland of chaos would be dark af
peak hamlet
I mean warhammer fantasy was a single planet but 40k got the entire milky way, there is enought space
peak hamlet
🤬
storm jungle
40k is gonna go Higher™️Fantasy™️ sooner or later
dim totem
oh multiple galaxies i wouldnt mind but
cerulean wagon
ye the issue is theres enough space for actuallt good authors n readers
But fanboys
dim totem
i wish the story didnt veer into the big setpieces so much
cerulean wagon
"u cant believe they got rid of X"
hense 2 different chapter home worlds have survived nid invasion now
storm jungle
God thats what I mean, when the end times does come its gonna be so great to read all that shit lmao
cerulean wagon
storm jungle
The tyranids are just gonna destroy baal
in a single sentence
meanwhile r/40klore:
cerulean wagon
we can only hope
storm jungle
🙏
cerulean wagon
because fucking baal survived
dim totem
"and then ghazkull and his boys made a pork roast out of guilliman"
storm jungle
But yeah like i legit hope 40k gets rebooted in a few years
it has way too much needless junk
cerulean wagon
okay getting real for a moment
dim totem
uh oh
peak hamlet
The tyranids are just gonna destroy baal
YES PLS
storm jungle
i'd actually cry
Same
like I can fully picture it
them on armageddon for the last time
and demons just overunning the entire sector
a valiant end for two gits
Naturally they'd be fighting each other beforehand tho lmao
cerulean wagon
or even on the flip side if its pre demons again
if its one finally ending the other
storm jungle
Yeah i was gonna say
storm jungle
them fighting together at the last moment would be a bit too cheesy but i wouldnt mind it
peak hamlet
But yeah you can just say "yoo nids super strong, biggest threat ect ect" and then let every faction just beat them up for fun, didnt even manage to take a single marine planet. WITH 1000 marines vs 8025304725 of nid organisms >>>>:((((((
storm jungle
the darker option would be them wounding each other too badly
and then the demons just killing them both in a dogpile
that shit would be sad lmao
cerulean wagon
whatever they do would be sad, i just want it to be a good send off
storm jungle
so good
That guitar riff as the orks look at the stars knowing yarrick is somewhere out there and that him and ghaz will fight again some day was good shit
peak hamlet
Man imagine if they actually write a book like that, ghazkull just shoots yarrick with his big fuckoff gun in 1 sentence and the book ends lmao
storm jungle
LMAO
ngl it would kinda fit?
Because by the End Times ghaz would have outgrown Yarrick literally and symbolically
having had bigger fish to fry
cerulean wagon
from a character side itd be a massive thing for gaz to do
peak hamlet
Id imagine him going "stoopid hoomie" after converting yarrick into swiss cheese
cerulean wagon
because he specifically doesnt kill yarrick to prove to gork and mork hes the best
if he ever ended him thatd be like "i no longer require their approval" or moved beyond it
storm jungle
Yeah Yarrick and Ghaz are like THE hardest characters to fuck up
As long as they dont rush it like they did with fantasy it would be fine
the bigger problem is handling every other character lmao
storm jungle
🙏
peak hamlet
Imagine 40k ship battles but like in water 😳
storm jungle
aaa
peak hamlet
I just cant stop to think of actual ships when somebody sais "navy" lmao
cerulean wagon
it happens in lore but i see why its not covered for TT rules n shit
storm jungle
I posted a picture of it awhile ago
cerulean wagon
a shame we dont get it tho even as just terrain
cerulean wagon
i statted up a battleship for only war
dim totem
neat
peak hamlet
Yes make that nid a tabletop mini fw pls
cerulean wagon
tri-linked earthshakers
peak hamlet
Nid the size of a small house
dim totem
well there are nid models the size of miniature houses 😎
cerulean wagon
dim totem
i think it looks cool
peak hamlet
Would have to be quite a bit bigger
storm jungle
peak hamlet
Looks puny compared to the knight
dim totem
i got a question
cerulean wagon
its thin yes, but its biiig
dim totem
do characters from warhammer actually ever mention a warhammer?
cerulean wagon
like a spider
storm jungle
do characters from warhammer actually ever mention a warhammer?
Fantasy? A lot
cerulean wagon
et
dim totem
like the karl franz quest battle where he does his speech and ends it "for the warhammer"
i thought that was a weird namedrop
cerulean wagon
have you ever seen weapons before
peak hamlet
You see the titan in the background? I think this fits their appearance a lot better
storm jungle
since the Empire is built on the image of the warhammer ghal maraz
storm jungle
its where the franchise name comes from
with 40k its whatever
since nobody gives a shit about it
dim totem
like if world of warcraft decided to have a character say "for the warcraft"
peak hamlet
Well its warhammer but in the year 40.000? Idk
cerulean wagon
You see the titan in the background? I think this fits their appearance a lot be...
which one? the one rearing up is a trygon
peak hamlet
which one? the one rearing up is a trygon
Background
storm jungle
like if world of warcraft decided to have a character say "for the warcraft"
the Empire of Man's main symbol is a warhammer like i said so it fits
its GW's fault for naming their franchise after a real weapon
🔨
cerulean wagon
visual pumice
Sigmar Heldenhammer
storm jungle
what a name
peak hamlet
visual pumice
Sigma held a hammer
storm jungle
nOOO
cerulean wagon
and the one behind it is the bio titan i posted, its just more spikey in art cause the models old af
storm jungle
that and tyranid artwork always uses non-mini bugs in the artwork
dim totem
fuck
heldenhammer
i think it might be the same with bobo but it literally just translates to
peak hamlet
Also thats a big trygon then lmfao
dim totem
herohammer
dim totem
helden = heroes
peak hamlet
Also look at the gargoyle swarms 🥵
dim totem
i can ignore it but it's still there
peak hamlet
I want actual big nid
dim totem
the stupid translation
visual pumice
If it’s a name then it shouldn’t translate no?
storm jungle
haha owned
visual pumice
peak hamlet
Oh yeah heldenhammer translates to heroes hammer basically
peak hamlet
If it’s a name then it shouldn’t translate no?
No just take casual german word and say its a name now 😎
storm jungle
Words are made up
visual pumice
Abolish words